Speaker 1: It's with Jenny Garth and Tori spelling. Okay, so today
Speaker 1: we are excited we get to talk to Thomas Wilson Brown,
Speaker 1: who appeared in one episode of nine O two on Oh.
Speaker 1: He played Joe Wardlowe, a bad boy who meets Steve
Speaker 1: Sanders in detention. I think we all remember and appreciated him,
Speaker 1: so let's bring him in. Hello, Hi, Hey, Thomas, Hello,
Speaker 1: how are you. I just have to say to start
Speaker 1: with that, I'm fun girling out because you were literally
Speaker 1: my first crush and Honey, I shrunk the kids, like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, you're so good at that. You were
Speaker 1: so cute. I remember, but that was before, right of course, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, did you know then, Tori that did
Speaker 1: you make the connection between Joe wardlow and Howney? I
Speaker 1: shrank the kids. I don't. I can't remember, but I
Speaker 1: mean we never worked together on the episode, so probably
Speaker 1: not because yeah, we didn't really work together too off.
Speaker 1: I think we you know, in and out we saw
Speaker 1: each other and not you could but I think it
Speaker 1: was quick and uh fast, so I don't think, but
Speaker 1: uh yeah, it was a couple of years prior. So yeah,
Speaker 1: you've done other shows like knots landing and I mean
Speaker 1: there's you did a lot of great TV appearances back
Speaker 1: in the nineties. Did you know Brian before the show? Oh? Yes,
Speaker 1: well I knew him. Actually, I knew him from acting classes.
Speaker 1: I we we studied the same place for a long time,
Speaker 1: and so I knew him prior to him doing nine
Speaker 1: O two one. Who actually, and so it was kind
Speaker 1: of neat. But I don't think I barely worked with
Speaker 1: him on the show either, I don't. I don't even
Speaker 1: know if I saw him on the show. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know you you worked with Steve brand in Dylan um
Speaker 1: and then you were in the peach pit with Andrea
Speaker 1: and Nat trying to think. I don't think we were
Speaker 1: together either. Oh ye, you came in at the Nope,
Speaker 1: you came in at the end from your dates with
Speaker 1: boys Brendan and Kelly coming at the end. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Did you watch the episode? Sorry, watched it. We just
Speaker 1: watched it and appreciated. Hard to remember. We watched the
Speaker 1: episodes back now and we don't even remember filming. Some
Speaker 1: of them were like, oh, it's all it's like a
Speaker 1: brand new storyline, which is fine. Like the hottest item
Speaker 1: on the on the on the menu back in the day.
Speaker 1: Are you kidding? Back then, when I was working with
Speaker 1: you guys, you guys were guys are at so you
Speaker 1: know I was. We were all kind of a little
Speaker 1: shell shocked with working you guys. Are you saying I
Speaker 1: had a chance? Oh I was. I was with my well,
Speaker 1: my now wife. I had been with her for probably
Speaker 1: a couple of years. I think, oh man, even then
Speaker 1: young I met my wife when I was eighteen. I've
Speaker 1: been with her for since then. Okay, tell her sorry,
Speaker 1: I didn't mean that. I mean, it's okay, that's so awesome.
Speaker 1: She came to the set and uh I remember, uh
Speaker 1: Luke Perry looking at my wife. I'm thinking, hey, I
Speaker 1: gotta watch out. Okay, okay. My my big question for
Speaker 1: you is that jacket, the jean jacket with the with
Speaker 1: the shert but lining was that your choice? I don't remember,
Speaker 1: but I remember the jacket very well, which is still yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a moment jacket. I still have flashbacks every
Speaker 1: time I see the jacket like that. I'm like, oh
Speaker 1: it just I don't know. I wasn't. I know that
Speaker 1: those jackets were coming in then and they were popular,
Speaker 1: but it was so big on you. It was like
Speaker 1: this huge jacket and you were like such this cool,
Speaker 1: good looking guy. I wanted to get off, but I
Speaker 1: was like, did they put the jacket? Because Steve so
Speaker 1: many times when like this to you, they needed to
Speaker 1: protect you somehow. Maybe I I also, I'm pretty like
Speaker 1: you know, as you see, I'm even buttoned up now.
Speaker 1: I'm I I'm very kind of factually shy with my
Speaker 1: you know my it was showing off the bod, which
Speaker 1: I actually have a pretty good body, so I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna be hi that, but you know, it's a little
Speaker 1: bit different. You were definitely hot. I mean, what did
Speaker 1: you do you remember when you got the show or
Speaker 1: did you audition or what was the process like for
Speaker 1: you coming onto the show? Oh? Yeah, I auditioned. A
Speaker 1: matter of fact, it was Joanna Ray who casted cast
Speaker 1: a show at the time, and she I had met
Speaker 1: her on multiple different projects and she was sort of
Speaker 1: a casting supporter of mine, and I think she kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, rallied on a lot of things. I kind
Speaker 1: of supported me in some projects, and um so yeah,
Speaker 1: I auditioned just like normal. And did you like the
Speaker 1: character of Joe Wardlo like in the beginning, we weren't
Speaker 1: sure if you were going to be a good guy
Speaker 1: or a bad guy. What was going to happen? Uh, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's always fun to play kind of the the kind
Speaker 1: of the bad guy in a way. It is sort
Speaker 1: of fun, I mean, and I've kind of built a
Speaker 1: pretty good career out of it, um playing that character
Speaker 1: that's sort of edgy and has a chip on his
Speaker 1: shoulder and angry of some sort. I don't know why,
Speaker 1: because I think I'm a nice guy and I kind
Speaker 1: of but I think it's just sort of the way
Speaker 1: it looks. And by the way, obviously haven't something about
Speaker 1: me that is intense, I guess. So you're the best.
Speaker 1: You have a good combo though you're like that edgy,
Speaker 1: kind of dangerous, maybe a jerky guy, but there's something
Speaker 1: likable about you that you can't deny and it ends
Speaker 1: up coming through. So that's always a great character. Thank
Speaker 1: you very much. I was going to ask if they
Speaker 1: if there was talk when you first auditioned or anything
Speaker 1: or got the part about the character coming back or
Speaker 1: be are being recurring because it was such a good character.
Speaker 1: And then for sure when I saw you, always like,
Speaker 1: oh this great looking guy, like goes to school show
Speaker 1: he's ruffling feathers, but now he's friends with them, like
Speaker 1: he's going to stay around. So I wish it had happened.
Speaker 1: I mean I was definitely open to it. I mean,
Speaker 1: the show was I think it was like with the
Speaker 1: third season or second third season, and the show was
Speaker 1: very successful obviously, So yeah, I was said I was.
Speaker 1: I thought there should fit. I mean that's the way
Speaker 1: the storyline kind of traveled with his character. I thought, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, now at least and yeah, so I was
Speaker 1: kind of hoping it would. But you know, I mean
Speaker 1: I could have seen you with Kelly. I could have
Speaker 1: seen Joe with Kelly actually well as a distraction to
Speaker 1: make Dylan jealous, I don't know, but I would have
Speaker 1: liked to have watched that. You were born in New Mexico, right, No,
Speaker 1: actually I was born in Wyoming, Wyoming. I grew up
Speaker 1: on a ranch in Wyoming, and then I moved to
Speaker 1: New Mexico, which was where my family uh was originally from.
Speaker 1: And then you came from to Mexico to Beverly Hills
Speaker 1: to must have looked a lot different. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: completely different because I grew up in the country, and
Speaker 1: you know, up to moving to l A, it was
Speaker 1: I grew up in the country, and so it was
Speaker 1: definitely different, and it's still even living here today, it's
Speaker 1: still uh. I still try to get back to the
Speaker 1: country as much as I possibly can, because that's kind
Speaker 1: of where I feel more at home. You and me both,
Speaker 1: how old are your kids now? They're not kids anymore?
Speaker 1: Are they always our kids? I know? My youngest is
Speaker 1: twenty three h year old daughter, and my oldest who
Speaker 1: is my stepdaughter who is now, which I have to
Speaker 1: say because she's only twelve years younger than me, So
Speaker 1: it's kind of funny. It's one of those um she's
Speaker 1: thirty seven, what's a fun party combo to have? It's funny.
Speaker 1: I mean, was twelve years old and I had my daughter.
Speaker 1: She's got kids. So I am actually grandfather now, wow,
Speaker 1: oh my god, you're like the youngest, hottest grandfather ever.
Speaker 1: Thank you? Grandpa? Wow? What do they call you? Grandpa? Pappy?
Speaker 1: But no, no, grandpa was not not even an option.
Speaker 1: It's granddad, Granddad. I had a granddad, so it was
Speaker 1: granddad and grandpa sounds really old. Granddad sounds good. I
Speaker 1: like that. It's grand Do you do any of them
Speaker 1: one of the actors, Uh, the kids, the grandkids, you know,
Speaker 1: you know no, I mean they're the oldest one is seven,
Speaker 1: and they're all you know, they all have character ability.
Speaker 1: You know. My Uh, he's funny and he started playing
Speaker 1: guitar less he has taken guitar lessons now, and I
Speaker 1: mean no, I mean I see potential, but you know
Speaker 1: it's seven years old. I'm not. I'm film industry from
Speaker 1: a young so I know it's uh, you kind of
Speaker 1: have to want it yourself in a way instead of
Speaker 1: kind of pushing, you know, you sort of have to
Speaker 1: kind of ye. So if he kind of if they
Speaker 1: lay themselves out for it, I think maybe they would.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if my daughter would. She's pretty uh,
Speaker 1: you know, she might be like, no, I don't, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna go do all that. Did you know when
Speaker 1: you were younger that you wanted to be an actor? Well? No,
Speaker 1: I It's actually kind of funny because my my I
Speaker 1: had a aunt that was a ballet teacher, and so
Speaker 1: I started taking ballet when I was like six, when
Speaker 1: we moved from when I went to New Mexico, which
Speaker 1: is kind of funny because I wanted to be a
Speaker 1: bull writer and a bull writer. Wait what you were
Speaker 1: a bull writer? Married the headline wait, which I was
Speaker 1: so mad at Luke Perry when he did eight Seconds
Speaker 1: because I was like, started with your wife and then
Speaker 1: he took your role. But he was great in it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and he was a nice guy, so it's hard to
Speaker 1: it was hard to hate him, and I was like, Madam,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh man, he's actually nice damn but
Speaker 1: he Uh. But I wanted to be a bull writer
Speaker 1: and all this stuff. So anyway, and so I started
Speaker 1: taking ballet classes. My mom to take me to town
Speaker 1: and I'd take classes to my aunt because she needed
Speaker 1: guys because it was all girls. But then when I
Speaker 1: was six seven years old, I was like the only
Speaker 1: boy with like thirteen year old girls. So I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: this isn't actually a bad deal. And my love to dance,
Speaker 1: so I actually became pretty good dancer. Um, and then
Speaker 1: we do product productions and stuff like that, so it
Speaker 1: kind of became like I kind of was naturally kind
Speaker 1: of entertaining in that way. I knew being on the
Speaker 1: stage and kind of new stage presence and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But no, I had no idea about being an actor.
Speaker 1: I literally the only reason I became an actors because
Speaker 1: they were filming Silverado in New Mexico. Um, and it
Speaker 1: was a Western and I was eleven, and my mom
Speaker 1: got a her friend said, hey, I saw in the
Speaker 1: newspaper that there's a making a western and they're casting parts,
Speaker 1: local parts, and they're looking for specifically eleven year old
Speaker 1: boy could ride a horse. And I mean, I I
Speaker 1: that's well I was. I'd come home and get on
Speaker 1: my horse and ride to my friend's house. That's how
Speaker 1: I got around. So she said, you want to try
Speaker 1: out for a movie, and I'm like, um, movie, Uh sure,
Speaker 1: I guess whatever. And so I went in there. I
Speaker 1: had my hat at my boots, and I mean I
Speaker 1: was like the real deal. And but that was like
Speaker 1: normal for me, and um, I just kept going back
Speaker 1: and back and audition, you know, and finally I was
Speaker 1: going back for callbacks and and end up here I'm
Speaker 1: working with Larry Kasiden and Kevin Costner and Scott Glenn
Speaker 1: and like this amazing cast of a epic movie that
Speaker 1: became a BONI fied hit and had a blast. So
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is fun. And I had
Speaker 1: lost my father, uh from cancer about two years prior,
Speaker 1: so we were in a transition as a family. We
Speaker 1: were looking to move to Montana. Actually at the time,
Speaker 1: we had our place for sale, and so my mom said, well,
Speaker 1: do you want to move to Montana or do you
Speaker 1: want to try this acting thing and go to California.
Speaker 1: And because some of the people were saying, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: you can give it, you know, try it, and I
Speaker 1: mean and Liken Kevin Costner was like, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: I you know, introduced me to his agent, and I
Speaker 1: mean a lot of support. Kevin Costner wasn't the Kevin
Speaker 1: Costner as an anime that we know today. Obviously, he
Speaker 1: was kind of young and kind of up and coming,
Speaker 1: but he was such a cool guy. But but all
Speaker 1: the a lot of other people were just so supportive,
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, I don't know, I mean, this
Speaker 1: is probably a lifetime I mean, once in a lifetime opportunity.
Speaker 1: I guess I could try it and Montana will always
Speaker 1: be there, I guess, and I'll go make a lot
Speaker 1: of money and go buy a ranch. And then I
Speaker 1: met a girl in California and that's changes everything. And
Speaker 1: so when I came out and obviously and stayed out
Speaker 1: here and worked and got sidetracked on making movies and
Speaker 1: live in the fast life, I guess. And but you
Speaker 1: have that ranch in Montana now, right, You still have Montana? Yes,
Speaker 1: Montana is still there, and I have fan we have
Speaker 1: a family ranch out there. My my family has a
Speaker 1: ranch out there. So I go out there and spend
Speaker 1: time up there and pretty often, and just went out
Speaker 1: there about a month ago. And where about Well the
Speaker 1: ranch they have now, because they've gone, We've had several
Speaker 1: different ranches they've gone, but the ranch they have now
Speaker 1: is eastern Montana, which is I guess the not so
Speaker 1: glamorous part. But it's a it's a real working cattle ranch, cowboy.
Speaker 1: It's not a pretty ranch, but it's beautiful to me.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's all grass. It's really nice. It sounds amazing,
Speaker 1: sounds beautiful to me. So you go back and forth,
Speaker 1: though I spend as much time as I can there, Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I do. Um. And then I have a property in
Speaker 1: Colorado as well. I bought some piece of property in
Speaker 1: Colorado and building a place there for my family. And
Speaker 1: I'm a carpenter as well too, so I'm pretty Uh
Speaker 1: I can. I like to work with my hands, So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna build a cabin out there. You do it all?
Speaker 1: What don't you do? Bull rides? He he ants? I write?
Speaker 1: I write. I'm I'm a writer. I have a production cup,
Speaker 1: have written a couple of scripts I'm working on to develop,
Speaker 1: as we all know, is of the whole mission in
Speaker 1: itself being developed. And you know, it's a very uphill battle,
Speaker 1: almost daunting mm hmm. Yeah, it's it's very You have
Speaker 1: to have a lot of tenacity, you and it's like
Speaker 1: and I'm pretty stubborn and tenacious, but it's just it's
Speaker 1: it's so hard, you know, it's just hard to find
Speaker 1: those right people to work with, to connact with that
Speaker 1: really believe in the project with you believe in you,
Speaker 1: you believe in them. Uh you know, you're asking things
Speaker 1: from them, they're asking things from you, and then it's
Speaker 1: a trust factor. You know, it's like, hey, do we
Speaker 1: believe in you? And you know they're putting their name
Speaker 1: and reputation on the line and likewise, and so there's
Speaker 1: it's so difficult when you're trying to negotiate, making a
Speaker 1: navigate these waters of trying to make a project. You know,
Speaker 1: it really is difficult to connect with those people and
Speaker 1: to build those relationships. And like, you guys are the
Speaker 1: same vote. People say, well do you stay in touch
Speaker 1: with some of these people? I'm like some of the
Speaker 1: people I worked with, we didn't have cell phones, Like
Speaker 1: like back in the day, it was like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I had like eight phone numbers. You know that you
Speaker 1: would have somebody and then they would move and then
Speaker 1: you would lose contact, you know, so like sometimes you know,
Speaker 1: you just lost contact. You know. Now with cell phones
Speaker 1: you just sort of have had the same number for
Speaker 1: ten years, fifteen years. And I mean, you guys the
Speaker 1: same boat. You know, you've been in the When you
Speaker 1: look back and you're like, wow, I've been in this
Speaker 1: industry for thirty years. That's a long time, a right,
Speaker 1: you know, people that seems like, you know, it seems
Speaker 1: like it was a blink in the eye for me sometimes,
Speaker 1: but you know, for other people, it's like you know,
Speaker 1: when new people come along and that all they've known
Speaker 1: is what the last ten years of it is totally
Speaker 1: different industry. You know, it really has changed so much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're grateful there wasn't social media back then, because it's
Speaker 1: tough enough now seeing how people bully people on social media.
Speaker 1: But I can't imagine having to go through that as teenagers,
Speaker 1: like especially as young exactly when you're young and you're
Speaker 1: making you know, you make mistakes or you're going out
Speaker 1: with your friends and you're doing things, and yeah, it's
Speaker 1: got to be tough for people. You know, it's just
Speaker 1: the you're living a glass house, um, and it's it's
Speaker 1: difficult when you're young, really is when you're older, it's difficult.
Speaker 1: How was that for you with your kids, like you
Speaker 1: raised them in l A but you have these sort
Speaker 1: of country and roots and morals and values. Was that
Speaker 1: challenging for you or yeah it was? I mean, well,
Speaker 1: I mean it's I mean in a way, I mean
Speaker 1: it's I mean I've always taught my children to be
Speaker 1: kind of who they are and to have you know,
Speaker 1: I mean obviously believing themselves and to have their own voice,
Speaker 1: and to think for themselves and to you know, and
Speaker 1: to um, you know, judge people on their character, um,
Speaker 1: you know, not not in any other standards, and to
Speaker 1: be accepting of people until they prove otherwise. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: a lot a lot of those things and um and
Speaker 1: and I like I do wear these hats of being
Speaker 1: very creative and but yet very realistic and like, um,
Speaker 1: what the the true nature of our lives are? And
Speaker 1: it's you know, basically, I think growing up my ranch
Speaker 1: taught me that, you know, it was important to learn
Speaker 1: to hard work was important and having a value that
Speaker 1: contributed to society and not just being an entertainer. And
Speaker 1: I think that was hard for me as an actor
Speaker 1: because there was a part of me that felt like
Speaker 1: I wasn't really contributing other than just entertaining. And it
Speaker 1: was definitely, it was definitely very difficult for me. It
Speaker 1: was I I definitely, Uh, that's why I leaned towards
Speaker 1: you know, carpentry and keep working, you know, and working
Speaker 1: on a ranch is and doing what I can to
Speaker 1: do that because and a big advocate for agriculture and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, because that's those are those are real
Speaker 1: things that people need, you know, people need homes, and
Speaker 1: people need to live and eat and you feel like
Speaker 1: you're actually doing and I feel great pride doing that.
Speaker 1: Um And as an actor, it's it's hard because you
Speaker 1: you're not even it's not even your voice. Sometimes you're
Speaker 1: you're really just saying the words of other people. And
Speaker 1: and and you know it's so I've always had this
Speaker 1: like Yin and Yang love affair of acting and industry
Speaker 1: and I I that's why I started writing, because it
Speaker 1: was it was a way for me to actually have
Speaker 1: my voice and have well, what what's what's what is
Speaker 1: it a value to me? What can I build? What
Speaker 1: can I bring to the table that's more than just
Speaker 1: being an entertainer? Um that I can actually because of
Speaker 1: the films that I always believed in more than anything,
Speaker 1: or that I just have great memories, were something that
Speaker 1: I actually walked away from with a with an emotional feeling.
Speaker 1: It wasn't just a hey, this was fun out two
Speaker 1: hour movie that I forgot about. It was just something
Speaker 1: that actually kind of moved me really, that kind of
Speaker 1: made me see the world a little bit different. Um.
Speaker 1: And so that was kind of what I wanted to
Speaker 1: try to achieve as as a writer and to kind
Speaker 1: of held myself into that direction. That's so relatable and
Speaker 1: so respectable because I can you know, I notory and
Speaker 1: I can both relate with that, like just that feeling
Speaker 1: of like am I doing enough? Am I what this is?
Speaker 1: Where I am and and these are the cards that
Speaker 1: I've been dealt. What can I do with these cards?
Speaker 1: And how can I make something more out of it?
Speaker 1: I think we're always searching for that like meaning and
Speaker 1: and sort of that meat of the story, you know
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean that's why often the two of
Speaker 1: us create our own projects, because it is is it's
Speaker 1: so much more fulfilling than when you're just cast into
Speaker 1: something and you have no control um of any any
Speaker 1: of it. But I mean we all need entertainers as well,
Speaker 1: because they give us that little break from reality to
Speaker 1: be able to smile and laugh and and show emotions
Speaker 1: that aren't related to our own lives. So right, and
Speaker 1: I agree, And that's a value. There's value to it,
Speaker 1: and I there's I'm not and I'm not been living
Speaker 1: that part of it. I just know from me it
Speaker 1: was something from me. I needed something else. I know
Speaker 1: people who are who this is their calling so much
Speaker 1: as an actor that I can't even imagine them doing
Speaker 1: anything else. And they can't that it is in their
Speaker 1: being and um as a as just an actor as
Speaker 1: and I say just an actor, I mean, but as
Speaker 1: an actors being that they love that part of it
Speaker 1: that they liked the word of getting up there and
Speaker 1: being um, speaking other people's words and taking people on
Speaker 1: journeys through their performance. And I had of nothing, Well,
Speaker 1: that's great and I'm great people and and it is
Speaker 1: true we do need that. Um, this is a personal
Speaker 1: thing for you my own sake. Yeah, and it comes
Speaker 1: for me and were just the roots of where I
Speaker 1: come from. From me it was you know, my my dad.
Speaker 1: I guess that my dad was a rancher cowboy and
Speaker 1: and uh that was sort of this is sort of
Speaker 1: become the homage to him in my life that you know,
Speaker 1: the legacy that I can leave for him is something
Speaker 1: that he would be proud of. Would be me being
Speaker 1: somebody who actually has you know, working hands and who
Speaker 1: isn't on a on a trip to become the hustler
Speaker 1: or the big guy who can make a lot of money.
Speaker 1: And you know, it was it was somebody who's humble
Speaker 1: and doesn't mind being in the background but being a
Speaker 1: supportive person of the actual thing that can actually be built.
Speaker 1: So that was sort of important for me. But I uh,
Speaker 1: I do I think it's great that you guys have
Speaker 1: this platform because you guys, I mean and have this
Speaker 1: ability to you know, you've created a way for your
Speaker 1: voices to be heard and and you guys continue to
Speaker 1: move forward and what you're doing and and uh, you
Speaker 1: know this is what we needed, especially um, you know
Speaker 1: more when gaining power and strength. I remember Tori meeting
Speaker 1: your mother on the set. Really, yes, she came to
Speaker 1: the set. I was so nervous. Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: feel like she never came to set, come to see
Speaker 1: you across from me, and I was, and I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I don't think I think it was coincident. I don't
Speaker 1: think it was just and and it was. And I
Speaker 1: thought she must have come to set all the time,
Speaker 1: and someone said, oh no, she hardly ever shows up.
Speaker 1: So it was really neat. It was kind of neat
Speaker 1: to meet her and to see her and outside the
Speaker 1: kind of just a neat little thing. And by the way,
Speaker 1: your husband is one of in one of my favorite movies,
Speaker 1: Open Range. To just give him a little that I
Speaker 1: will tell him that he'll be so thrilled that you
Speaker 1: said that. I'm sure he is a great movie. What's
Speaker 1: up next? What's what you're You're ready? You ever get
Speaker 1: on a bull? Oh that's a go. I'm like, how's
Speaker 1: the bull writing happening? Oh no, that's never been on
Speaker 1: a bull since you were a teenager. Now, no, I said, Actually,
Speaker 1: what I did I started writing Bronx. I realized I was,
Speaker 1: I got older. They come back after you. Actually he
Speaker 1: was after even nine O two one. Oh, I actually was.
Speaker 1: I started writing Bronx and started writing and it was fun.
Speaker 1: I did it for a couple of years. Um, and
Speaker 1: got beat up. And how's the body feeling these days? Well,
Speaker 1: it's it's coming back to me. And I definitely feel that.
Speaker 1: You know, there's I've beat up my body in multiple ways.
Speaker 1: I'm a downhill skier. Um, I grew up skiing a lot,
Speaker 1: and so between that and horses throwing you off, and yeah,
Speaker 1: just construction and contracting and stuff like that, you get
Speaker 1: beat up and stuff like that. So yeah, I'm but
Speaker 1: I'm still doing pretty good. I uh. I joined a
Speaker 1: flag football league and I just had my first game
Speaker 1: yesterday last night on the beach with some friends. And
Speaker 1: I got to the to the beach and I was
Speaker 1: hoping there's gonna be some older people there so I
Speaker 1: wouldn't look so old and all young. And I was like,
Speaker 1: in this referee who was probably sixty. He actually said that.
Speaker 1: He says, Man, I thought I was old. Oh so
Speaker 1: that's very rude, and uh, and then I thought, what
Speaker 1: you're playing? He goes, No, I'm a raff but I
Speaker 1: did really good. I actually actually kudos though, man for
Speaker 1: getting out there. So I stay active. But um, but
Speaker 1: in terms of like production projects, I'm actually, yeah, I've
Speaker 1: a couple of projects I'm really actively pushing. I've got
Speaker 1: producing a film with a partner of mine who wrote
Speaker 1: the project, and it's um a kind of a supernatural
Speaker 1: thriller about a young woman who's dealing with her sexuality
Speaker 1: and the late nineties, mid early nineties. Uh and um,
Speaker 1: it's a pretty neat projects kind of in vein of
Speaker 1: what lies beneath and uh, my favorite genre. You're exciting
Speaker 1: me right now. It's very cool. It's very neat. Excited
Speaker 1: about that. And then we're actually developing a project and
Speaker 1: that takes place in Wyoming about a prosecutor who's um
Speaker 1: deals with a human trafficking case that takes a turn
Speaker 1: into her personal life and and that we're actually kind
Speaker 1: of pitching too as a series. So I've got some
Speaker 1: other projects that i'm kind of like my passion projects
Speaker 1: that are sort of like sitting around kind of floating,
Speaker 1: and uh, we'll see how those things take off too.
Speaker 1: But wow, you have a lot going on. You always
Speaker 1: had a lot going on in town. Yeah, I had
Speaker 1: a busy, great adventurous life. Oh my gosh, I'm so
Speaker 1: glad we interviewed you because I feel like so many people.
Speaker 1: You know, we all know actors from the movies, we
Speaker 1: love them and TV shows, but you don't always get
Speaker 1: to hear this side of it, of all their passions
Speaker 1: and what their life's been like. So they've been a
Speaker 1: real treat to hear about you, like it's completely unexpected.
Speaker 1: Appreciate this. Yeah, and my first crush didn't let me down,
Speaker 1: so thank you. Well. I've always been sort of shy
Speaker 1: of media, even when I was Remember when Honey I
Speaker 1: Shrunk the Kids first premiered, Um, we were living here,
Speaker 1: we were here in California, and then um we went
Speaker 1: to the premier in Disney World and I was screened
Speaker 1: it and it was a pretty big deals. Disney really
Speaker 1: went all out on the screening of that film, and
Speaker 1: and it was a special effects movie. So you know,
Speaker 1: when you get special effects, you don't really know what
Speaker 1: it's going to be until it's out. And Um, I
Speaker 1: was a very I thought I myself as a very
Speaker 1: serious actor, you know, so you know, I wanted to
Speaker 1: do like serious drama and here I'm doing honey, I
Speaker 1: shrunk the kid. So it was a little bit you know,
Speaker 1: you brought that element to that who I was. It
Speaker 1: was just likeoty, little brat guy. I don't without brat,
Speaker 1: but moody kind of character. But when I watched the
Speaker 1: screening of it, and I was remember sitting towards the
Speaker 1: front of the you know, front of the crowd and
Speaker 1: big theater, and the end of the movie you know,
Speaker 1: ended in the credit started rolling, I instantaneously got this,
Speaker 1: like in this my stomach kind of hurt. I knew
Speaker 1: that this could like it was almost overwhelming that this
Speaker 1: was going to be a hit. It scared me to death.
Speaker 1: Um I wasn't prepared for it. Um I'm not a
Speaker 1: big I don't like a lot of a pension on me.
Speaker 1: I was afraid even turn around. I knew as soon
Speaker 1: as I turned around, everybody in the audience was there
Speaker 1: and I was gonna have to walk this like walk
Speaker 1: through the crowd and walking to people, and it was
Speaker 1: just overwhelming. And yeah, so it actually became a huge success,
Speaker 1: and I ended up moving from California to back to
Speaker 1: New Mexico for a couple of years after that, and
Speaker 1: then just moved back and forth because work, you know,
Speaker 1: I come out for you know, for work and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, because I didn't want the attention. Um and
Speaker 1: my agents, my managers were just beside themselves because I
Speaker 1: wouldn't do any interviews and I was so afraid of
Speaker 1: being pigeonholed as this one actor of this one you know,
Speaker 1: and and I it's just it was, it's sort of
Speaker 1: this weird dynamic that I had that I was so
Speaker 1: afraid of being recognized and being being only that in
Speaker 1: my life famous. It was I was. I was afraid
Speaker 1: of being famous. I was and and still still a
Speaker 1: love hate relationship. You know, you want it, but you're like,
Speaker 1: until you really actually have it, you don't really know
Speaker 1: what it's like. I mean, people will say, you know,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be great. I'm like, yeah, it's kind of
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's weird, you know, walk into
Speaker 1: a grocery store and having people walk up to you
Speaker 1: who don't know and they love you, and it's like
Speaker 1: it's so supportive and you you you understand, but it's
Speaker 1: the same side, it's kind of a little bit like
Speaker 1: it's just hard because all of a sudden, you putting
Speaker 1: attention on you know, everything's about you, and you're like, I,
Speaker 1: I don't and it's not just about me, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's it's become overwhelming, and you seem like a
Speaker 1: really real like a real guy. And I think that
Speaker 1: those moments make you feel like too much focused on
Speaker 1: the superficial and the things that don't really matter in
Speaker 1: life because they don't really know you and they don't
Speaker 1: really love you, like they love what they see on
Speaker 1: the TV or they screen or whatever. So it's like
Speaker 1: a weird sort of battle exactly. And I and I'm
Speaker 1: and I find myself always trying to change the conversation
Speaker 1: to them. I find myself, what do you do it's
Speaker 1: your name or what's well? Yeah, and I'm trying to
Speaker 1: find something about them that's kind of you know, that's yeah.
Speaker 1: You know anyway, Well, we've loved chatting with you and
Speaker 1: getting to know you a little bit better too. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much. I really appreciate it. Yeah, and you know,
Speaker 1: I worked with you know, Shannon prior. I worked with
Speaker 1: her in our house as well. For Yeah, I worked
Speaker 1: with her, and like I was a recurring role in
Speaker 1: that with Chat Allen, and I was one of his buddies.
Speaker 1: And early on, you know, I was a little kid,
Speaker 1: I guess, so you know, it was twelve thirteen years old,
Speaker 1: and Shannon was the older sister, and so it was
Speaker 1: kind of neat to you know, back and work with
Speaker 1: her on that show. And obviously I've seen Stephen a
Speaker 1: lot after that, after what I worked with him and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So it was just you never know, Well,
Speaker 1: the paths are going to cross, I know what. When
Speaker 1: I heard I was gonna do thevie, I was like,
Speaker 1: I didn't with Jenny or Tory. I don't know what
Speaker 1: to talk about. It's so easy. I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't know what to talk about in this whole thing,
Speaker 1: and it's like, what are you gonna say? I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. We never know either. Kudos to you
Speaker 1: because we go wherever we feel like it. Well, we
Speaker 1: hope that I hope, I know, I hope our paths
Speaker 1: cross again at some point and we actually do get
Speaker 1: to work together in some level, even if it's writing
Speaker 1: a bronch or well an, it's both in mind when
Speaker 1: I developed these projects, always looking for talent. I always
Speaker 1: looking for it too. So great to talk to you alright, ladies.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I really do appreciate it. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much. Thank you talking with us. Emily is
Speaker 1: in your health and all that and your adventures through
Speaker 1: this life. You know you too, Granddad, I know, love it.
Speaker 1: Take care okay, bye bye