WEBVTT - 9021 On 1 with Thomas Wilson Brown 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:10.880 It's with Jenny Garth and Tori spelling. Okay, so today 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:15.040 we are excited we get to talk to Thomas Wilson Brown, 0:00:15.280 --> 0:00:18.400 who appeared in one episode of nine O two on Oh. 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:24.080 He played Joe Wardlowe, a bad boy who meets Steve 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:28.600 Sanders in detention. I think we all remember and appreciated him, 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:35.800 so let's bring him in. Hello, Hi, Hey, Thomas, Hello, 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:38.760 how are you. I just have to say to start 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:42.479 with that, I'm fun girling out because you were literally 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:45.360 my first crush and Honey, I shrunk the kids, like, 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:49.239 oh my god, you're so good at that. You were 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:54.520 so cute. I remember, but that was before, right of course, Yes, yeah, 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:59.639 I was like, did you know then, Tori that did 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:02.800 you make the connection between Joe wardlow and Howney? I 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:06.600 shrank the kids. I don't. I can't remember, but I 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:11.440 mean we never worked together on the episode, so probably 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:14.360 not because yeah, we didn't really work together too off. 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:17.080 I think we you know, in and out we saw 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:19.640 each other and not you could but I think it 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:23.480 was quick and uh fast, so I don't think, but 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:26.800 uh yeah, it was a couple of years prior. So yeah, 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:29.720 you've done other shows like knots landing and I mean 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:33.360 there's you did a lot of great TV appearances back 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:37.760 in the nineties. Did you know Brian before the show? Oh? Yes, 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:42.440 well I knew him. Actually, I knew him from acting classes. 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:44.880 I we we studied the same place for a long time, 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:48.200 and so I knew him prior to him doing nine 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:50.840 O two one. Who actually, and so it was kind 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:52.560 of neat. But I don't think I barely worked with 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:54.600 him on the show either, I don't. I don't even 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:57.040 know if I saw him on the show. Yeah, you 0:01:57.120 --> 0:02:02.840 know you you worked with Steve brand in Dylan um 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:04.760 and then you were in the peach pit with Andrea 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:08.840 and Nat trying to think. I don't think we were 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:11.919 together either. Oh ye, you came in at the Nope, 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:17.040 you came in at the end from your dates with 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:19.919 boys Brendan and Kelly coming at the end. I don't know. 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:24.560 Did you watch the episode? Sorry, watched it. We just 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:29.240 watched it and appreciated. Hard to remember. We watched the 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:31.880 episodes back now and we don't even remember filming. Some 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:33.720 of them were like, oh, it's all it's like a 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:37.480 brand new storyline, which is fine. Like the hottest item 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:39.280 on the on the on the menu back in the day. 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:41.040 Are you kidding? Back then, when I was working with 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:43.760 you guys, you guys were guys are at so you 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:46.680 know I was. We were all kind of a little 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:49.960 shell shocked with working you guys. Are you saying I 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:55.400 had a chance? Oh I was. I was with my well, 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:58.080 my now wife. I had been with her for probably 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:01.280 a couple of years. I think, oh man, even then 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:06.079 young I met my wife when I was eighteen. I've 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:08.959 been with her for since then. Okay, tell her sorry, 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:13.640 I didn't mean that. I mean, it's okay, that's so awesome. 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:19.560 She came to the set and uh I remember, uh 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:27.519 Luke Perry looking at my wife. I'm thinking, hey, I 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:31.400 gotta watch out. Okay, okay. My my big question for 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:34.440 you is that jacket, the jean jacket with the with 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:39.720 the shert but lining was that your choice? I don't remember, 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:43.119 but I remember the jacket very well, which is still yeah, 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:47.440 that was a moment jacket. I still have flashbacks every 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:49.520 time I see the jacket like that. I'm like, oh 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:52.800 it just I don't know. I wasn't. I know that 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:55.280 those jackets were coming in then and they were popular, 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:58.440 but it was so big on you. It was like 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:01.520 this huge jacket and you were like such this cool, 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:05.480 good looking guy. I wanted to get off, but I 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:07.360 was like, did they put the jacket? Because Steve so 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:09.240 many times when like this to you, they needed to 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:15.280 protect you somehow. Maybe I I also, I'm pretty like 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:17.760 you know, as you see, I'm even buttoned up now. 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:21.120 I'm I I'm very kind of factually shy with my 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:25.240 you know my it was showing off the bod, which 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:26.640 I actually have a pretty good body, so I'm not 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:33.520 gonna be hi that, but you know, it's a little 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:36.800 bit different. You were definitely hot. I mean, what did 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:40.039 you do you remember when you got the show or 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:42.240 did you audition or what was the process like for 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:44.840 you coming onto the show? Oh? Yeah, I auditioned. A 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:48.480 matter of fact, it was Joanna Ray who casted cast 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:51.680 a show at the time, and she I had met 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:54.800 her on multiple different projects and she was sort of 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:58.800 a casting supporter of mine, and I think she kind of, 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:01.600 you know, rallied on a lot of things. I kind 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:05.400 of supported me in some projects, and um so yeah, 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:09.320 I auditioned just like normal. And did you like the 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:11.760 character of Joe Wardlo like in the beginning, we weren't 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:13.200 sure if you were going to be a good guy 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:16.440 or a bad guy. What was going to happen? Uh, well, yeah, 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:19.440 it's always fun to play kind of the the kind 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:21.479 of the bad guy in a way. It is sort 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:24.760 of fun, I mean, and I've kind of built a 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:28.600 pretty good career out of it, um playing that character 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:32.400 that's sort of edgy and has a chip on his 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:35.240 shoulder and angry of some sort. I don't know why, 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:37.120 because I think I'm a nice guy and I kind 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:38.839 of but I think it's just sort of the way 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:43.000 it looks. And by the way, obviously haven't something about 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:45.600 me that is intense, I guess. So you're the best. 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:47.679 You have a good combo though you're like that edgy, 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:51.400 kind of dangerous, maybe a jerky guy, but there's something 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:55.600 likable about you that you can't deny and it ends 0:05:55.680 --> 0:06:01.240 up coming through. So that's always a great character. Thank 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:04.000 you very much. I was going to ask if they 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:06.200 if there was talk when you first auditioned or anything 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:08.359 or got the part about the character coming back or 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:11.839 be are being recurring because it was such a good character. 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:14.440 And then for sure when I saw you, always like, 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:18.599 oh this great looking guy, like goes to school show 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:21.520 he's ruffling feathers, but now he's friends with them, like 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:26.560 he's going to stay around. So I wish it had happened. 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:29.039 I mean I was definitely open to it. I mean, 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:31.080 the show was I think it was like with the 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:34.560 third season or second third season, and the show was 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:39.080 very successful obviously, So yeah, I was said I was. 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:42.280 I thought there should fit. I mean that's the way 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:46.680 the storyline kind of traveled with his character. I thought, oh, yeah, 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:50.800 for sure, now at least and yeah, so I was 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:52.680 kind of hoping it would. But you know, I mean 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:55.040 I could have seen you with Kelly. I could have 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:59.880 seen Joe with Kelly actually well as a distraction to 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:03.719 make Dylan jealous, I don't know, but I would have 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:07.640 liked to have watched that. You were born in New Mexico, right, No, 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:10.720 actually I was born in Wyoming, Wyoming. I grew up 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:12.720 on a ranch in Wyoming, and then I moved to 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:16.800 New Mexico, which was where my family uh was originally from. 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:19.559 And then you came from to Mexico to Beverly Hills 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:27.160 to must have looked a lot different. Yeah, it was 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:29.080 completely different because I grew up in the country, and 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:32.240 you know, up to moving to l A, it was 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:34.840 I grew up in the country, and so it was 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:40.520 definitely different, and it's still even living here today, it's 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:44.040 still uh. I still try to get back to the 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:46.360 country as much as I possibly can, because that's kind 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:48.760 of where I feel more at home. You and me both, 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:52.120 how old are your kids now? They're not kids anymore? 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:56.400 Are they always our kids? I know? My youngest is 0:07:56.400 --> 0:08:01.360 twenty three h year old daughter, and my oldest who 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:05.520 is my stepdaughter who is now, which I have to 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:08.840 say because she's only twelve years younger than me, So 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:15.000 it's kind of funny. It's one of those um she's 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:21.160 thirty seven, what's a fun party combo to have? It's funny. 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:25.000 I mean, was twelve years old and I had my daughter. 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:28.520 She's got kids. So I am actually grandfather now, wow, 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:32.040 oh my god, you're like the youngest, hottest grandfather ever. 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:38.240 Thank you? Grandpa? Wow? What do they call you? Grandpa? Pappy? 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:40.600 But no, no, grandpa was not not even an option. 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:45.199 It's granddad, Granddad. I had a granddad, so it was 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:48.480 granddad and grandpa sounds really old. Granddad sounds good. I 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:51.920 like that. It's grand Do you do any of them 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:56.280 one of the actors, Uh, the kids, the grandkids, you know, 0:08:56.679 --> 0:09:01.760 you know no, I mean they're the oldest one is seven, 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:07.520 and they're all you know, they all have character ability. 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:11.240 You know. My Uh, he's funny and he started playing 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:15.560 guitar less he has taken guitar lessons now, and I 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:19.360 mean no, I mean I see potential, but you know 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:23.920 it's seven years old. I'm not. I'm film industry from 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:26.960 a young so I know it's uh, you kind of 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:28.880 have to want it yourself in a way instead of 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:30.959 kind of pushing, you know, you sort of have to 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:33.640 kind of ye. So if he kind of if they 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:36.280 lay themselves out for it, I think maybe they would. 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:40.839 But I don't know if my daughter would. She's pretty uh, 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:42.880 you know, she might be like, no, I don't, I'm 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:45.720 not gonna go do all that. Did you know when 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:49.640 you were younger that you wanted to be an actor? Well? No, 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:52.960 I It's actually kind of funny because my my I 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:55.840 had a aunt that was a ballet teacher, and so 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:59.320 I started taking ballet when I was like six, when 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:03.640 we moved from when I went to New Mexico, which 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:05.600 is kind of funny because I wanted to be a 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:09.280 bull writer and a bull writer. Wait what you were 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:13.480 a bull writer? Married the headline wait, which I was 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:15.280 so mad at Luke Perry when he did eight Seconds 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:21.360 because I was like, started with your wife and then 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:25.800 he took your role. But he was great in it. Yeah, yeah, 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:27.120 and he was a nice guy, so it's hard to 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:29.480 it was hard to hate him, and I was like, Madam, 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:32.760 I was like, oh man, he's actually nice damn but 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:35.760 he Uh. But I wanted to be a bull writer 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:38.040 and all this stuff. So anyway, and so I started 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:41.240 taking ballet classes. My mom to take me to town 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:43.679 and I'd take classes to my aunt because she needed 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:47.120 guys because it was all girls. But then when I 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:50.000 was six seven years old, I was like the only 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:56.360 boy with like thirteen year old girls. So I was like, hey, 0:10:56.400 --> 0:11:00.680 this isn't actually a bad deal. And my love to dance, 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:03.320 so I actually became pretty good dancer. Um, and then 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:06.800 we do product productions and stuff like that, so it 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:10.760 kind of became like I kind of was naturally kind 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:13.640 of entertaining in that way. I knew being on the 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:16.120 stage and kind of new stage presence and stuff like that. 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:18.800 But no, I had no idea about being an actor. 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:22.000 I literally the only reason I became an actors because 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:26.240 they were filming Silverado in New Mexico. Um, and it 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:30.000 was a Western and I was eleven, and my mom 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:33.480 got a her friend said, hey, I saw in the 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:37.560 newspaper that there's a making a western and they're casting parts, 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:40.280 local parts, and they're looking for specifically eleven year old 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:43.559 boy could ride a horse. And I mean, I I 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:45.440 that's well I was. I'd come home and get on 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:47.280 my horse and ride to my friend's house. That's how 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:50.719 I got around. So she said, you want to try 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:56.079 out for a movie, and I'm like, um, movie, Uh sure, 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:59.440 I guess whatever. And so I went in there. I 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:01.440 had my hat at my boots, and I mean I 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:03.400 was like the real deal. And but that was like 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:07.800 normal for me, and um, I just kept going back 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:10.240 and back and audition, you know, and finally I was 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:14.120 going back for callbacks and and end up here I'm 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:17.160 working with Larry Kasiden and Kevin Costner and Scott Glenn 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:20.960 and like this amazing cast of a epic movie that 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:25.880 became a BONI fied hit and had a blast. So 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:28.840 I was like, oh, this is fun. And I had 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:32.320 lost my father, uh from cancer about two years prior, 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:35.040 so we were in a transition as a family. We 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:38.160 were looking to move to Montana. Actually at the time, 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:41.480 we had our place for sale, and so my mom said, well, 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:44.440 do you want to move to Montana or do you 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:47.600 want to try this acting thing and go to California. 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:49.560 And because some of the people were saying, hey, you know, 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:51.559 you can give it, you know, try it, and I 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:54.080 mean and Liken Kevin Costner was like, hey, you know, 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:55.920 I you know, introduced me to his agent, and I 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:58.640 mean a lot of support. Kevin Costner wasn't the Kevin 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:01.520 Costner as an anime that we know today. Obviously, he 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:03.480 was kind of young and kind of up and coming, 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:05.800 but he was such a cool guy. But but all 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:07.640 the a lot of other people were just so supportive, 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:10.200 and it's like, well, I don't know, I mean, this 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:14.000 is probably a lifetime I mean, once in a lifetime opportunity. 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:17.160 I guess I could try it and Montana will always 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:18.679 be there, I guess, and I'll go make a lot 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:21.800 of money and go buy a ranch. And then I 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:24.839 met a girl in California and that's changes everything. And 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:27.480 so when I came out and obviously and stayed out 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:30.760 here and worked and got sidetracked on making movies and 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:34.360 live in the fast life, I guess. And but you 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:39.440 have that ranch in Montana now, right, You still have Montana? Yes, 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:41.520 Montana is still there, and I have fan we have 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:43.400 a family ranch out there. My my family has a 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:45.000 ranch out there. So I go out there and spend 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:48.480 time up there and pretty often, and just went out 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:52.040 there about a month ago. And where about Well the 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:54.160 ranch they have now, because they've gone, We've had several 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:56.920 different ranches they've gone, but the ranch they have now 0:13:57.000 --> 0:14:00.400 is eastern Montana, which is I guess the not so 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:05.080 glamorous part. But it's a it's a real working cattle ranch, cowboy. 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:10.040 It's not a pretty ranch, but it's beautiful to me. 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:14.680 It's it's it's all grass. It's really nice. It sounds amazing, 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:29.600 sounds beautiful to me. So you go back and forth, 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:32.280 though I spend as much time as I can there, Yes, yes, 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:34.960 I do. Um. And then I have a property in 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:37.320 Colorado as well. I bought some piece of property in 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:41.880 Colorado and building a place there for my family. And 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:45.520 I'm a carpenter as well too, so I'm pretty Uh 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:47.400 I can. I like to work with my hands, So 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:50.240 I'm gonna build a cabin out there. You do it all? 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:57.160 What don't you do? Bull rides? He he ants? I write? 0:14:57.280 --> 0:14:59.920 I write. I'm I'm a writer. I have a production cup, 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.680 have written a couple of scripts I'm working on to develop, 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:05.760 as we all know, is of the whole mission in 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:11.440 itself being developed. And you know, it's a very uphill battle, 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:17.080 almost daunting mm hmm. Yeah, it's it's very You have 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:20.440 to have a lot of tenacity, you and it's like 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:24.720 and I'm pretty stubborn and tenacious, but it's just it's 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:27.520 it's so hard, you know, it's just hard to find 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:30.520 those right people to work with, to connact with that 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:33.280 really believe in the project with you believe in you, 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:36.760 you believe in them. Uh you know, you're asking things 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:39.600 from them, they're asking things from you, and then it's 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:41.440 a trust factor. You know, it's like, hey, do we 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:44.120 believe in you? And you know they're putting their name 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:48.080 and reputation on the line and likewise, and so there's 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:51.640 it's so difficult when you're trying to negotiate, making a 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:54.640 navigate these waters of trying to make a project. You know, 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:58.400 it really is difficult to connect with those people and 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:01.320 to build those relationships. And like, you guys are the 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:03.440 same vote. People say, well do you stay in touch 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:05.160 with some of these people? I'm like some of the 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:09.400 people I worked with, we didn't have cell phones, Like 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:11.880 like back in the day, it was like, I don't know, 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:13.680 I had like eight phone numbers. You know that you 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:15.280 would have somebody and then they would move and then 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:17.760 you would lose contact, you know, so like sometimes you know, 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:20.600 you just lost contact. You know. Now with cell phones 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:22.360 you just sort of have had the same number for 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:26.040 ten years, fifteen years. And I mean, you guys the 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:27.520 same boat. You know, you've been in the When you 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:28.920 look back and you're like, wow, I've been in this 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:36.960 industry for thirty years. That's a long time, a right, 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:39.720 you know, people that seems like, you know, it seems 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:42.080 like it was a blink in the eye for me sometimes, 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:44.880 but you know, for other people, it's like you know, 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:47.520 when new people come along and that all they've known 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:51.080 is what the last ten years of it is totally 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:55.040 different industry. You know, it really has changed so much. Yeah, 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:57.880 we're grateful there wasn't social media back then, because it's 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:02.880 tough enough now seeing how people bully people on social media. 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:06.560 But I can't imagine having to go through that as teenagers, 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:09.480 like especially as young exactly when you're young and you're 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:11.359 making you know, you make mistakes or you're going out 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:14.280 with your friends and you're doing things, and yeah, it's 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:16.119 got to be tough for people. You know, it's just 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:19.160 the you're living a glass house, um, and it's it's 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:22.680 difficult when you're young, really is when you're older, it's difficult. 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:25.359 How was that for you with your kids, like you 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:28.000 raised them in l A but you have these sort 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:32.920 of country and roots and morals and values. Was that 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:39.280 challenging for you or yeah it was? I mean, well, 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:42.480 I mean it's I mean in a way, I mean 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:46.240 it's I mean I've always taught my children to be 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:48.399 kind of who they are and to have you know, 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:51.359 I mean obviously believing themselves and to have their own voice, 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:54.359 and to think for themselves and to you know, and 0:17:54.440 --> 0:18:00.240 to um, you know, judge people on their character, um, 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:04.480 you know, not not in any other standards, and to 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:09.000 be accepting of people until they prove otherwise. Um. You know, 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:11.679 a lot a lot of those things and um and 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:14.280 and I like I do wear these hats of being 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:18.920 very creative and but yet very realistic and like, um, 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:22.880 what the the true nature of our lives are? And 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:26.320 it's you know, basically, I think growing up my ranch 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:29.520 taught me that, you know, it was important to learn 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:33.879 to hard work was important and having a value that 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:38.480 contributed to society and not just being an entertainer. And 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:40.800 I think that was hard for me as an actor 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:42.679 because there was a part of me that felt like 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:49.240 I wasn't really contributing other than just entertaining. And it 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:51.679 was definitely, it was definitely very difficult for me. It 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:56.280 was I I definitely, Uh, that's why I leaned towards 0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:59.640 you know, carpentry and keep working, you know, and working 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:01.439 on a ranch is and doing what I can to 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:04.639 do that because and a big advocate for agriculture and 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:07.800 stuff like that, because that's those are those are real 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:10.679 things that people need, you know, people need homes, and 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:14.040 people need to live and eat and you feel like 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:17.320 you're actually doing and I feel great pride doing that. 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:22.760 Um And as an actor, it's it's hard because you 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:25.680 you're not even it's not even your voice. Sometimes you're 0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:28.959 you're really just saying the words of other people. And 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:33.840 and and you know it's so I've always had this 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:37.920 like Yin and Yang love affair of acting and industry 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:40.879 and I I that's why I started writing, because it 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:43.600 was it was a way for me to actually have 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:46.919 my voice and have well, what what's what's what is 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:48.600 it a value to me? What can I build? What 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:50.480 can I bring to the table that's more than just 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:54.919 being an entertainer? Um that I can actually because of 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:57.679 the films that I always believed in more than anything, 0:19:57.800 --> 0:20:01.399 or that I just have great memories, were something that 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:04.760 I actually walked away from with a with an emotional feeling. 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:07.920 It wasn't just a hey, this was fun out two 0:20:07.920 --> 0:20:11.879 hour movie that I forgot about. It was just something 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:14.200 that actually kind of moved me really, that kind of 0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:17.120 made me see the world a little bit different. Um. 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:19.680 And so that was kind of what I wanted to 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:22.600 try to achieve as as a writer and to kind 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:26.960 of held myself into that direction. That's so relatable and 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:30.240 so respectable because I can you know, I notory and 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:33.680 I can both relate with that, like just that feeling 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:36.480 of like am I doing enough? Am I what this is? 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:39.359 Where I am and and these are the cards that 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:41.359 I've been dealt. What can I do with these cards? 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:43.520 And how can I make something more out of it? 0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:47.240 I think we're always searching for that like meaning and 0:20:47.240 --> 0:20:50.280 and sort of that meat of the story, you know 0:20:50.960 --> 0:20:53.159 for sure. I mean that's why often the two of 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:56.840 us create our own projects, because it is is it's 0:20:56.880 --> 0:20:59.080 so much more fulfilling than when you're just cast into 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:03.120 something and you have no control um of any any 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:06.560 of it. But I mean we all need entertainers as well, 0:21:06.600 --> 0:21:09.479 because they give us that little break from reality to 0:21:09.480 --> 0:21:12.280 be able to smile and laugh and and show emotions 0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:15.119 that aren't related to our own lives. So right, and 0:21:15.160 --> 0:21:18.199 I agree, And that's a value. There's value to it, 0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:21.320 and I there's I'm not and I'm not been living 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:23.280 that part of it. I just know from me it 0:21:23.400 --> 0:21:26.800 was something from me. I needed something else. I know 0:21:26.880 --> 0:21:31.480 people who are who this is their calling so much 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:34.080 as an actor that I can't even imagine them doing 0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:37.040 anything else. And they can't that it is in their 0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:43.120 being and um as a as just an actor as 0:21:43.520 --> 0:21:45.280 and I say just an actor, I mean, but as 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:49.000 an actors being that they love that part of it 0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:52.680 that they liked the word of getting up there and 0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:57.399 being um, speaking other people's words and taking people on 0:21:57.480 --> 0:22:02.280 journeys through their performance. And I had of nothing, Well, 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:05.679 that's great and I'm great people and and it is 0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:09.240 true we do need that. Um, this is a personal 0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:13.880 thing for you my own sake. Yeah, and it comes 0:22:13.920 --> 0:22:15.760 for me and were just the roots of where I 0:22:15.800 --> 0:22:17.720 come from. From me it was you know, my my dad. 0:22:17.760 --> 0:22:20.520 I guess that my dad was a rancher cowboy and 0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:23.199 and uh that was sort of this is sort of 0:22:23.200 --> 0:22:26.520 become the homage to him in my life that you know, 0:22:26.560 --> 0:22:29.240 the legacy that I can leave for him is something 0:22:29.280 --> 0:22:31.880 that he would be proud of. Would be me being 0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:37.280 somebody who actually has you know, working hands and who 0:22:37.480 --> 0:22:41.680 isn't on a on a trip to become the hustler 0:22:41.760 --> 0:22:44.400 or the big guy who can make a lot of money. 0:22:44.440 --> 0:22:46.840 And you know, it was it was somebody who's humble 0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:50.639