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Speaker 1: It's with Jenny Garth and Tori spelling. Okay, so today

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Speaker 1: we are excited we get to talk to Thomas Wilson Brown,

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Speaker 1: who appeared in one episode of nine O two on Oh.

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Speaker 1: He played Joe Wardlowe, a bad boy who meets Steve

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Speaker 1: Sanders in detention. I think we all remember and appreciated him,

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Speaker 1: so let's bring him in. Hello, Hi, Hey, Thomas, Hello,

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Speaker 1: how are you. I just have to say to start

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Speaker 1: with that, I'm fun girling out because you were literally

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Speaker 1: my first crush and Honey, I shrunk the kids, like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, you're so good at that. You were

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Speaker 1: so cute. I remember, but that was before, right of course, Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was like, did you know then, Tori that did

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Speaker 1: you make the connection between Joe wardlow and Howney? I

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Speaker 1: shrank the kids. I don't. I can't remember, but I

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Speaker 1: mean we never worked together on the episode, so probably

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Speaker 1: not because yeah, we didn't really work together too off.

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Speaker 1: I think we you know, in and out we saw

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Speaker 1: each other and not you could but I think it

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Speaker 1: was quick and uh fast, so I don't think, but

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Speaker 1: uh yeah, it was a couple of years prior. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: you've done other shows like knots landing and I mean

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Speaker 1: there's you did a lot of great TV appearances back

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Speaker 1: in the nineties. Did you know Brian before the show? Oh? Yes,

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Speaker 1: well I knew him. Actually, I knew him from acting classes.

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Speaker 1: I we we studied the same place for a long time,

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Speaker 1: and so I knew him prior to him doing nine

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Speaker 1: O two one. Who actually, and so it was kind

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Speaker 1: of neat. But I don't think I barely worked with

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Speaker 1: him on the show either, I don't. I don't even

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Speaker 1: know if I saw him on the show. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: know you you worked with Steve brand in Dylan um

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Speaker 1: and then you were in the peach pit with Andrea

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Speaker 1: and Nat trying to think. I don't think we were

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Speaker 1: together either. Oh ye, you came in at the Nope,

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Speaker 1: you came in at the end from your dates with

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Speaker 1: boys Brendan and Kelly coming at the end. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Did you watch the episode? Sorry, watched it. We just

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Speaker 1: watched it and appreciated. Hard to remember. We watched the

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Speaker 1: episodes back now and we don't even remember filming. Some

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Speaker 1: of them were like, oh, it's all it's like a

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Speaker 1: brand new storyline, which is fine. Like the hottest item

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Speaker 1: on the on the on the menu back in the day.

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Speaker 1: Are you kidding? Back then, when I was working with

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Speaker 1: you guys, you guys were guys are at so you

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Speaker 1: know I was. We were all kind of a little

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Speaker 1: shell shocked with working you guys. Are you saying I

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Speaker 1: had a chance? Oh I was. I was with my well,

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Speaker 1: my now wife. I had been with her for probably

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Speaker 1: a couple of years. I think, oh man, even then

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Speaker 1: young I met my wife when I was eighteen. I've

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Speaker 1: been with her for since then. Okay, tell her sorry,

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Speaker 1: I didn't mean that. I mean, it's okay, that's so awesome.

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Speaker 1: She came to the set and uh I remember, uh

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Speaker 1: Luke Perry looking at my wife. I'm thinking, hey, I

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Speaker 1: gotta watch out. Okay, okay. My my big question for

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Speaker 1: you is that jacket, the jean jacket with the with

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Speaker 1: the shert but lining was that your choice? I don't remember,

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Speaker 1: but I remember the jacket very well, which is still yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was a moment jacket. I still have flashbacks every

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Speaker 1: it just I don't know. I wasn't. I know that

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Speaker 1: those jackets were coming in then and they were popular,

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Speaker 1: but it was so big on you. It was like

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Speaker 1: was like, did they put the jacket? Because Steve so

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Speaker 1: many times when like this to you, they needed to

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Speaker 1: protect you somehow. Maybe I I also, I'm pretty like

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Speaker 1: I'm I I'm very kind of factually shy with my

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Speaker 1: I actually have a pretty good body, so I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna be hi that, but you know, it's a little

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Speaker 1: bit different. You were definitely hot. I mean, what did

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Speaker 1: you do you remember when you got the show or

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Speaker 1: you coming onto the show? Oh? Yeah, I auditioned. A

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Speaker 1: I auditioned just like normal. And did you like the

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Speaker 1: because I think I'm a nice guy and I kind

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Speaker 1: of but I think it's just sort of the way

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Speaker 1: me that is intense, I guess. So you're the best.

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Speaker 1: You have a good combo though you're like that edgy,

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Speaker 1: up coming through. So that's always a great character. Thank

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Speaker 1: you very much. I was going to ask if they

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Speaker 1: if there was talk when you first auditioned or anything

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Speaker 1: or got the part about the character coming back or

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Speaker 1: be are being recurring because it was such a good character.

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Speaker 1: And then for sure when I saw you, always like,

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Speaker 1: oh this great looking guy, like goes to school show

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Speaker 1: he's ruffling feathers, but now he's friends with them, like

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Speaker 1: he's going to stay around. So I wish it had happened.

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Speaker 1: I mean I was definitely open to it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I thought there should fit. I mean that's the way

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Speaker 1: I could have seen you with Kelly. I could have

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Speaker 1: seen Joe with Kelly actually well as a distraction to

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Speaker 1: liked to have watched that. You were born in New Mexico, right, No,

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Speaker 1: actually I was born in Wyoming, Wyoming. I grew up

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Speaker 1: And then you came from to Mexico to Beverly Hills

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Speaker 1: to must have looked a lot different. Yeah, it was

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Speaker 1: of where I feel more at home. You and me both,

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Speaker 1: how old are your kids now? They're not kids anymore?

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Speaker 1: Are they always our kids? I know? My youngest is

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Speaker 1: it's kind of funny. It's one of those um she's

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Speaker 1: thirty seven, what's a fun party combo to have? It's funny.

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Speaker 1: I mean, was twelve years old and I had my daughter.

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Speaker 1: She's got kids. So I am actually grandfather now, wow,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, you're like the youngest, hottest grandfather ever.

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Speaker 1: Thank you? Grandpa? Wow? What do they call you? Grandpa? Pappy?

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Speaker 1: But no, no, grandpa was not not even an option.

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Speaker 1: It's granddad, Granddad. I had a granddad, so it was

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Speaker 1: granddad and grandpa sounds really old. Granddad sounds good. I

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Speaker 1: like that. It's grand Do you do any of them

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Speaker 1: you know no, I mean they're the oldest one is seven,

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Speaker 1: You know. My Uh, he's funny and he started playing

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Speaker 1: it's seven years old. I'm not. I'm film industry from

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Speaker 1: But I don't know if my daughter would. She's pretty uh,

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Speaker 1: not gonna go do all that. Did you know when

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Speaker 1: I It's actually kind of funny because my my I

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Speaker 1: so mad at Luke Perry when he did eight Seconds

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Speaker 1: But no, I had no idea about being an actor.

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Speaker 1: I literally the only reason I became an actors because

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Speaker 1: they were filming Silverado in New Mexico. Um, and it

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Speaker 1: up next? What's what you're You're ready? You ever get

427
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Speaker 1: on a bull? Oh that's a go. I'm like, how's

428
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: the bull writing happening? Oh no, that's never been on

429
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 1: a bull since you were a teenager. Now, no, I said, Actually,

430
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 1: what I did I started writing Bronx. I realized I was,

431
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 1: I got older. They come back after you. Actually he

432
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 1: was after even nine O two one. Oh, I actually was.

433
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:50,120
Speaker 1: I started writing Bronx and started writing and it was fun.

434
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 1: I did it for a couple of years. Um, and

435
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: got beat up. And how's the body feeling these days? Well,

436
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: it's it's coming back to me. And I definitely feel that.

437
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 1: You know, there's I've beat up my body in multiple ways.

438
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 1: I'm a downhill skier. Um, I grew up skiing a lot,

439
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: and so between that and horses throwing you off, and yeah,

440
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 1: just construction and contracting and stuff like that, you get

441
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: beat up and stuff like that. So yeah, I'm but

442
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 1: I'm still doing pretty good. I uh. I joined a

443
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,640
Speaker 1: flag football league and I just had my first game

444
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: yesterday last night on the beach with some friends. And

445
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 1: I got to the to the beach and I was

446
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: hoping there's gonna be some older people there so I

447
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't look so old and all young. And I was like,

448
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 1: in this referee who was probably sixty. He actually said that.

449
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:45,959
Speaker 1: He says, Man, I thought I was old. Oh so

450
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,679
Speaker 1: that's very rude, and uh, and then I thought, what

451
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 1: you're playing? He goes, No, I'm a raff but I

452
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: did really good. I actually actually kudos though, man for

453
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: getting out there. So I stay active. But um, but

454
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 1: in terms of like production projects, I'm actually, yeah, I've

455
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: a couple of projects I'm really actively pushing. I've got

456
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 1: producing a film with a partner of mine who wrote

457
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: the project, and it's um a kind of a supernatural

458
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: thriller about a young woman who's dealing with her sexuality

459
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 1: and the late nineties, mid early nineties. Uh and um,

460
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: it's a pretty neat projects kind of in vein of

461
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 1: what lies beneath and uh, my favorite genre. You're exciting

462
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 1: me right now. It's very cool. It's very neat. Excited

463
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,919
Speaker 1: about that. And then we're actually developing a project and

464
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: that takes place in Wyoming about a prosecutor who's um

465
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: deals with a human trafficking case that takes a turn

466
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 1: into her personal life and and that we're actually kind

467
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: of pitching too as a series. So I've got some

468
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: other projects that i'm kind of like my passion projects

469
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: that are sort of like sitting around kind of floating,

470
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: and uh, we'll see how those things take off too.

471
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 1: But wow, you have a lot going on. You always

472
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: had a lot going on in town. Yeah, I had

473
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: a busy, great adventurous life. Oh my gosh, I'm so

474
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: glad we interviewed you because I feel like so many people.

475
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 1: You know, we all know actors from the movies, we

476
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 1: love them and TV shows, but you don't always get

477
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: to hear this side of it, of all their passions

478
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: and what their life's been like. So they've been a

479
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 1: real treat to hear about you, like it's completely unexpected.

480
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: Appreciate this. Yeah, and my first crush didn't let me down,

481
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: so thank you. Well. I've always been sort of shy

482
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: of media, even when I was Remember when Honey I

483
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 1: Shrunk the Kids first premiered, Um, we were living here,

484
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: we were here in California, and then um we went

485
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: to the premier in Disney World and I was screened

486
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: it and it was a pretty big deals. Disney really

487
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 1: went all out on the screening of that film, and

488
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: and it was a special effects movie. So you know,

489
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: when you get special effects, you don't really know what

490
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: it's going to be until it's out. And Um, I

491
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: was a very I thought I myself as a very

492
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 1: serious actor, you know, so you know, I wanted to

493
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 1: do like serious drama and here I'm doing honey, I

494
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 1: shrunk the kid. So it was a little bit you know,

495
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: you brought that element to that who I was. It

496
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: was just likeoty, little brat guy. I don't without brat,

497
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: but moody kind of character. But when I watched the

498
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: screening of it, and I was remember sitting towards the

499
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: front of the you know, front of the crowd and

500
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: big theater, and the end of the movie you know,

501
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: ended in the credit started rolling, I instantaneously got this,

502
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: like in this my stomach kind of hurt. I knew

503
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: that this could like it was almost overwhelming that this

504
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: was going to be a hit. It scared me to death.

505
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: Um I wasn't prepared for it. Um I'm not a

506
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: big I don't like a lot of a pension on me.

507
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: I was afraid even turn around. I knew as soon

508
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: as I turned around, everybody in the audience was there

509
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: and I was gonna have to walk this like walk

510
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: through the crowd and walking to people, and it was

511
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: just overwhelming. And yeah, so it actually became a huge success,

512
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: and I ended up moving from California to back to

513
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: New Mexico for a couple of years after that, and

514
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: then just moved back and forth because work, you know,

515
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: I come out for you know, for work and stuff

516
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: like that, because I didn't want the attention. Um and

517
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: my agents, my managers were just beside themselves because I

518
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: wouldn't do any interviews and I was so afraid of

519
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: being pigeonholed as this one actor of this one you know,

520
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: and and I it's just it was, it's sort of

521
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: this weird dynamic that I had that I was so

522
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: afraid of being recognized and being being only that in

523
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: my life famous. It was I was. I was afraid

524
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: of being famous. I was and and still still a

525
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: love hate relationship. You know, you want it, but you're like,

526
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: until you really actually have it, you don't really know

527
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: what it's like. I mean, people will say, you know,

528
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: it's gonna be great. I'm like, yeah, it's kind of

529
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's weird, you know, walk into

530
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: a grocery store and having people walk up to you

531
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: who don't know and they love you, and it's like

532
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: it's so supportive and you you you understand, but it's

533
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: the same side, it's kind of a little bit like

534
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: it's just hard because all of a sudden, you putting

535
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: attention on you know, everything's about you, and you're like, I,

536
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: I don't and it's not just about me, you know,

537
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: and it's it's become overwhelming, and you seem like a

538
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: really real like a real guy. And I think that

539
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: those moments make you feel like too much focused on

540
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: the superficial and the things that don't really matter in

541
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: life because they don't really know you and they don't

542
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: really love you, like they love what they see on

543
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: the TV or they screen or whatever. So it's like

544
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: a weird sort of battle exactly. And I and I'm

545
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: and I find myself always trying to change the conversation

546
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: to them. I find myself, what do you do it's

547
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: your name or what's well? Yeah, and I'm trying to

548
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: find something about them that's kind of you know, that's yeah.

549
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: You know anyway, Well, we've loved chatting with you and

550
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: getting to know you a little bit better too. Thank

551
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: you so much. I really appreciate it. Yeah, and you know,

552
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: I worked with you know, Shannon prior. I worked with

553
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: her in our house as well. For Yeah, I worked

554
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: with her, and like I was a recurring role in

555
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: that with Chat Allen, and I was one of his buddies.

556
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: And early on, you know, I was a little kid,

557
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: I guess, so you know, it was twelve thirteen years old,

558
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: and Shannon was the older sister, and so it was

559
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: kind of neat to you know, back and work with

560
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: her on that show. And obviously I've seen Stephen a

561
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: lot after that, after what I worked with him and

562
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So it was just you never know, Well,

563
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: the paths are going to cross, I know what. When

564
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: I heard I was gonna do thevie, I was like,

565
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: I didn't with Jenny or Tory. I don't know what

566
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: to talk about. It's so easy. I was like, I

567
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: don't know what to talk about in this whole thing,

568
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: and it's like, what are you gonna say? I'm like,

569
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. We never know either. Kudos to you

570
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:19,479
Speaker 1: because we go wherever we feel like it. Well, we

571
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: hope that I hope, I know, I hope our paths

572
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: cross again at some point and we actually do get

573
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: to work together in some level, even if it's writing

574
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: a bronch or well an, it's both in mind when

575
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: I developed these projects, always looking for talent. I always

576
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: looking for it too. So great to talk to you alright, ladies.

577
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I really do appreciate it. Thank

578
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: you so much. Thank you talking with us. Emily is

579
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: in your health and all that and your adventures through

580
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: this life. You know you too, Granddad, I know, love it.

581
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: Take care okay, bye bye