WEBVTT - Brilliant But Wrong 0:00:02.529 --> 0:00:06.370 Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the 0:00:06.410 --> 0:00:08.420 George Washington Broadcast Center. 0:00:08.460 --> 0:00:10.640 Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:17.910 Armstrong and Getty. And now, here's Armstrong and Getty. 0:00:24.460 --> 0:00:27.020 The president met with those top tech execs for hours 0:00:27.080 --> 0:00:30.530 behind closed doors. Some in that room have sounded the alarm. 0:00:30.710 --> 0:00:33.630 Anthropic CEO Dario Amadei has warned AI could be a 0:00:33.729 --> 0:00:36.330 risk to humanity itself if left unchecked. 0:00:36.570 --> 0:00:40.309 The mechanism how we address those risks is still under discussion. 0:00:40.450 --> 0:00:43.839 But for weeks, the president has dismissed those concerns, rejecting 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:47.540 calls to regulate AI as a globalist scheme and repeatedly 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:49.519 describing AI fears as a hoax. 0:00:50.860 --> 0:00:54.060 Yeah, so that's Rachel Scott, ABC News, reporting on the 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:56.160 big AI summit at the White House yesterday. Just a 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:58.300 little more from the general report, then we'll get into 0:00:58.340 --> 0:01:02.570 some of the individual comments, which are, especially Elon's, are 0:01:02.630 --> 0:01:03.570 just amazing. 0:01:04.790 --> 0:01:07.190 There will be no federal guardrails on AI. 0:01:07.430 --> 0:01:10.770 Instead, the president announced several companies have signed a voluntary 0:01:10.850 --> 0:01:15.020 joint agreement, suggesting industry leaders should implement internal measures to 0:01:15.090 --> 0:01:18.380 monitor and check their own AI models, partner with external 0:01:18.500 --> 0:01:21.899 auditors to review their systems, and create an independent committee 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:24.020 of a board of directors. But none of that is 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:27.730 legally binding. The president was asked what compels these companies 0:01:27.770 --> 0:01:28.589 to follow through. 0:01:28.610 --> 0:01:31.590 Is it binding in any way? I think it's morally binding. 0:01:31.709 --> 0:01:33.070 Morally binding? No. 0:01:33.530 --> 0:01:33.810 Okay. 0:01:36.819 --> 0:01:39.860 What would we be getting if we had a Democrat president? 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:44.650 Would they be full speed ahead on some sort of guardrails? 0:01:44.670 --> 0:01:45.690 I don't know. 0:01:45.750 --> 0:01:48.140 The politics of the whole AI thing are kind of 0:01:48.180 --> 0:01:48.940 all over the place. 0:01:49.670 --> 0:01:53.430 Right, right, right. You'd have public statements that would probably 0:01:53.510 --> 0:01:56.090 be like, we need to regulate this. Just the way 0:01:56.130 --> 0:01:59.150 Democrats always talk about anything. You know, the government needs 0:01:59.170 --> 0:02:02.600 to get involved. But if they would actually do anything 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:06.540 is a different question because what to do and how 0:02:06.580 --> 0:02:09.880 to do it is just nobody knows. Dario doesn't have 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:10.660 any idea. 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:13.120 Speaking of Dario, he runs Anthropic, which is about to 0:02:13.139 --> 0:02:16.280 have a $ 19 trillion IPO. 0:02:15.980 --> 0:02:16.660 Or something like that. 0:02:17.100 --> 0:02:17.560 Really? 0:02:17.580 --> 0:02:17.980 Yeah. 0:02:18.620 --> 0:02:20.360 Really? Here's what he had to say yesterday. 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:23.209 Look, I mean, I will say what I've always said, 0:02:23.570 --> 0:02:26.370 which is that AI has incredible benefits. 0:02:26.850 --> 0:02:29.370 I've talked about the medical benefits of the technology. 0:02:30.050 --> 0:02:33.330 As the president has said, you know, whoever wins AI wins. 0:02:33.389 --> 0:02:36.010 I think that's very important. But I think the technology 0:02:36.370 --> 0:02:37.470 has very real risks. 0:02:37.780 --> 0:02:41.040 And, you know, the mechanism, how we address those risks 0:02:41.100 --> 0:02:42.380 is still under discussion. 0:02:42.860 --> 0:02:44.320 But we all need to work. 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:47.040 We all need to work together to make sure that 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:48.760 we can win and we can win safely. 0:02:48.820 --> 0:02:51.419 If we if we do this right, work with the president, 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:53.359 everyone here, we can win. 0:02:53.650 --> 0:02:56.750 Well, maybe you don't trust Dario from Anthropic. I'm sure 0:02:56.770 --> 0:03:01.470 you trust Mark Zuckerberg of Meta explaining how some of 0:03:01.510 --> 0:03:02.470 this is going to work, I guess. 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:06.720 The basic idea is that we want to give the 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:11.090 American people and our customers confidence that the technology works 0:03:11.150 --> 0:03:14.010 in the way that we intend. So every company is 0:03:14.050 --> 0:03:17.070 building something that's a little bit different, having one set 0:03:17.110 --> 0:03:21.510 of standards for what everyone should want to build. People 0:03:21.530 --> 0:03:23.630 want to do some different things, but I think what 0:03:23.669 --> 0:03:26.670 we can all agree on is that the American public 0:03:26.850 --> 0:03:29.150 and our customers want to know that what we're building 0:03:29.190 --> 0:03:31.350 is working in the way that we all intend. So 0:03:31.669 --> 0:03:35.620 we drafted a set of principles and commitments around building 0:03:35.700 --> 0:03:39.520 robust internal controls and detecting if there are any issues 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:46.100 with the technology, coupled with multiple layers of auditing and controls, 0:03:46.380 --> 0:03:51.330 starting with internal risk review, external auditors and evaluators, and 0:03:51.370 --> 0:03:53.330 agreeing that we're going to have all of our boards 0:03:53.370 --> 0:03:57.570 of directors independently review the reports that come from the auditors. 0:03:58.010 --> 0:03:59.470 I think these are good steps forward. 0:04:00.330 --> 0:04:02.900 Now, if you'll excuse me, I've got to get back 0:04:02.980 --> 0:04:08.860 to torturing the souls of the damned. Mark Zuckerberg, a.k.a. Satan. 0:04:10.910 --> 0:04:13.670 So if you saw the photo they took at the end, 0:04:14.310 --> 0:04:18.390 it reminded me of that famous painting, which is apocryphal 0:04:18.410 --> 0:04:21.910 but close enough, of all the founding fathers there at 0:04:21.930 --> 0:04:27.700 the Constitutional Convention or drafting, building our government and talking 0:04:27.740 --> 0:04:28.659 and all that sort of stuff. 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:31.460 This was similar, I think. 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:34.300 You had the president of the United States with all 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:37.620 of these guys, Dario and Elon and Zuckerberg and everybody 0:04:37.660 --> 0:04:41.610 standing around there. And someday I think that photo will 0:04:41.630 --> 0:04:43.599 look back on it and think we had no idea 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:45.900 what we were unleashing or that was the beginning of 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:48.800 all this greatness or however we'll look at it. But 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:51.960 that was a moment yesterday. That was a lot of 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:55.950 power and a lot of the future for humanity on 0:04:56.070 --> 0:04:58.230 planet Earth right there in that little. 0:04:58.070 --> 0:05:01.820 Group of people. It may be looked upon as the 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:05.690 inflection point where humanity woke up and blah, blah, blah. 0:05:05.990 --> 0:05:08.070 Or it may be, look, all four horsemen of the 0:05:08.110 --> 0:05:12.110 apocalypse in one picture. You know, one of those damn 0:05:12.290 --> 0:05:17.440 spam things you get. Horrifying pictures from history. They're always 0:05:17.450 --> 0:05:19.880 pestering you to click on. It might be one of those. 0:05:20.570 --> 0:05:25.570 So here's a couple of not-too-long Elon clips where he's 0:05:25.630 --> 0:05:28.770 talking about the upside and how great it's going to be. 0:05:29.130 --> 0:05:32.980 And to me, most people must think this isn't going 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:35.800 to come true. Because if you actually believed what he's 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:36.920 saying is going to come true. 0:05:37.020 --> 0:05:39.620 I feel like everybody would be talking about this nonstop. 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:41.180 Here we go. 0:05:42.140 --> 0:05:43.750 Sorry, the question was about age of abundance. What are 0:05:43.770 --> 0:05:44.330 the jobs of the future? 0:05:44.350 --> 0:05:48.060 Because people looking at this will be worried, particularly laptop jobs. 0:05:48.300 --> 0:05:50.170 What are they going to do in the future? 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:54.260 Well, I think it is worth highlighting the positive benefits 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:56.860 of AI, or SI, pardon me. 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:57.900 Thank you. 0:05:59.490 --> 0:06:01.070 Superintelligence. 0:06:01.890 --> 0:06:03.450 I think by far the most likely outcome is an 0:06:03.470 --> 0:06:07.190 age of abundance, where we don't have just universal basic income, 0:06:07.210 --> 0:06:08.510 we have universal high income. 0:06:09.010 --> 0:06:11.810 Everybody's going to have universal means everyone. Everyone's going to 0:06:11.830 --> 0:06:15.630 have a high income given to them by some entity. 0:06:15.850 --> 0:06:18.070 Nobody ever quite explains what that would be, so you 0:06:18.100 --> 0:06:19.250 don't have to work if you don't want to. 0:06:19.270 --> 0:06:20.440 We'll also have these benefits. 0:06:21.770 --> 0:06:25.490 Yeah, people speak about medical benefits. I think the, but 0:06:25.550 --> 0:06:28.730 maybe it's worth talking a bit more about that. When 0:06:28.750 --> 0:06:33.000 you have robots and you have super intelligence, it means 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:36.219 that everyone in the world can have better medical care 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:40.920 than anyone here, including me. And wouldn't that be wonderful? 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:45.620 Tremendous medical care, but no job or purpose in life. 0:06:46.130 --> 0:06:48.210 Somebody asked Elon about jobs. What are people going to 0:06:48.230 --> 0:06:49.430 be doing for a living out there? 0:06:49.450 --> 0:06:50.830 Not if they haven't got a job. 0:06:52.339 --> 0:06:55.100 Well, jobs are going to change. Jobs have always changed. 0:06:56.520 --> 0:07:00.250 But being a computer used to be a job. There 0:07:00.270 --> 0:07:03.210 used to be buildings full of people doing calculations. But 0:07:03.270 --> 0:07:07.770 now digital computers do those tasks. I don't think anyone 0:07:07.830 --> 0:07:11.510 is pining to go back and do calculations all day 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:13.140 to do bank interest rates, which is what they used 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:16.740 to do. So I think we'll see an evolution of roles. 0:07:18.380 --> 0:07:22.110 And as the President has mentioned, As long as the 0:07:22.650 --> 0:07:26.570 unemployment has increased. In fact, there's a tremendous demand for people. 0:07:27.110 --> 0:07:29.610 So I think the most likely outcome, and it's probably 0:07:29.630 --> 0:07:32.560 worth looking at the most likely outcome, is one which 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:35.320 is incredibly beneficial and it's a future that you, if 0:07:35.340 --> 0:07:37.480 you could look into the future, it is a future 0:07:37.500 --> 0:07:38.020 you would want. 0:07:39.900 --> 0:07:45.100 He is brilliant and he's completely wrong. I mean, look, 0:07:45.260 --> 0:07:50.140 it is such a truism. That I hesitate to even 0:07:50.260 --> 0:07:54.550 say it. Every psychologist, every religion, every philosophy that's ever 0:07:54.630 --> 0:07:57.930 swayed more than 36 people in the history of mankind 0:07:57.950 --> 0:08:01.090 has said you've got to have a life of purpose. 0:08:02.090 --> 0:08:05.870 And for all of us, for all of time, part 0:08:05.890 --> 0:08:08.910 of that purpose has been providing for ourselves and our family. 0:08:08.930 --> 0:08:12.090 It's the way we're built. And then we search for, 0:08:12.150 --> 0:08:14.770 you know, higher up on Maslow's hierarchy of needs and 0:08:15.150 --> 0:08:17.930 relationship with God, ultimately, blah, blah, blah. But if you 0:08:17.970 --> 0:08:23.670 remove all purpose from people's lives, and they're just going 0:08:23.690 --> 0:08:27.800 to sit around writing poetry. Poetry about what? What feelings 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:31.900 are they expressing? How comfortable they are? Or how they've 0:08:31.940 --> 0:08:34.540 got nothing to do? They're bored to death? They just 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:36.500 do drugs and have sex? But nobody's going to have 0:08:36.540 --> 0:08:38.439 any sex anymore? I tell you what. 0:08:38.500 --> 0:08:43.080 I feel like the media is doing such a bad 0:08:43.220 --> 0:08:46.800 job of asking questions around this. I would love to 0:08:46.860 --> 0:08:49.860 have my shot at talking to Elon or President Trump 0:08:49.900 --> 0:08:51.020 or whoever about this. 0:08:51.460 --> 0:08:53.420 Okay, universal high income. 0:08:53.620 --> 0:08:57.620 Are we kind of pretending here that All politics are 0:08:57.700 --> 0:09:02.140 going to disappear around this issue. Who's getting the universal 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:02.960 high income? 0:09:03.580 --> 0:09:03.900 When? 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:08.070 What is the distribution method? How are you gathering it 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:11.770 from these companies? Why are the companies voluntarily giving up 0:09:11.850 --> 0:09:14.410 all this money to the government? Who's then going to 0:09:14.450 --> 0:09:17.750 redistribute it? How much of a cut is the government taking? 0:09:17.970 --> 0:09:20.600 What about people who like me, you know, people that 0:09:20.630 --> 0:09:23.380 are old? We've been saving our whole lives preparing for 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:25.280 a retirement that we thought we had to plan for. 0:09:25.420 --> 0:09:27.900 Do we get the universal high income? No, you don't 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:31.220 get it because you've already saved. Okay, is that what 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:31.740 it's going to be? 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:34.439 Or how does this work? 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:36.640 Or do I get it in addition to what I've saved, 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:39.260 which means I got a lot more money than somebody 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:43.400 who's starting out as a 25-year-old who's starting in on 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:44.640 his universal high income. 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:46.750 Is he going to be.... 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:50.420 Envious of what I have or angry or is he 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:53.210 going to be a political block that's saying take some 0:09:53.330 --> 0:09:57.210 from those of us. You're pretending the politics are going 0:09:57.230 --> 0:09:58.630 to disappear around this issue. 0:09:59.030 --> 0:09:59.530 Right, right. 0:09:59.809 --> 0:09:59.890 And. 0:10:00.140 --> 0:10:02.080 A thought just occurred to me. We've talked about this 0:10:02.140 --> 0:10:05.800 so many times, and it was not until now that 0:10:06.460 --> 0:10:09.839 a light bulb went off in my head to, again, 0:10:09.900 --> 0:10:13.750 cite religion, the good book, This Too Shall Pass. What 0:10:13.950 --> 0:10:19.280 happens when the inevitable occurs and the status quo that 0:10:19.460 --> 0:10:21.939 is what Elon Musk is talking about, and we're talking 0:10:21.980 --> 0:10:25.240 about the enormous disruptions to lives and souls and it all, 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:29.640 what happens when that ends and people have become utterly 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:34.710 unable to do anything productive, provide for themselves, or even 0:10:34.830 --> 0:10:40.510 bother to have sex? Well, why do you see it ending? 0:10:40.530 --> 0:10:42.290 Because everything does. 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:48.500 You don't think the new robot AI world will continue 0:10:48.540 --> 0:10:50.969 to produce enough money for everybody to live on for. 0:10:50.990 --> 0:10:51.070 I. 0:10:52.710 --> 0:10:55.969 Mean, nothing lasts forever, but for the foreseeable future, it 0:10:56.010 --> 0:10:57.610 certainly could last many, many decades. 0:10:58.290 --> 0:11:02.600 If you want my prediction, it is this. If this 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:07.720 stuff comes true, even substantially, the human population on Earth 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:13.860 will plunge. It'll make the current low sub-replacement birth rates 0:11:14.370 --> 0:11:22.360 look like a horny Mormon family. I mean, there will 0:11:22.420 --> 0:11:28.580 be no babies. And a certain very smallish sect of 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:33.020 humans will go back to the old ways and how 0:11:33.059 --> 0:11:38.260 they coexist with the modern robot computer no-sex world, I 0:11:38.350 --> 0:11:38.880 don't know. 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:42.860 I won't belabor this because we talked about it a 0:11:42.900 --> 0:11:44.820 lot and we'll be talking about it a lot as 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:48.950 this unfolds probably over next year or whenever it's going 0:11:48.970 --> 0:11:52.510 to happen. But so when did the checks start going 0:11:52.610 --> 0:11:58.630 out to who? And what about the guy who made 0:11:58.630 --> 0:12:02.590 $ 180, 000 a year as a programmer or whatever the hell 0:12:02.630 --> 0:12:03.010 he was doing? 0:12:03.030 --> 0:12:05.949 Everybody's going to lose their jobs. The guy was making 0:12:05.950 --> 0:12:06.630 $ 180, 000 a year and now you're getting. 0:12:06.630 --> 0:12:15.410 $ 80, 000 a year from this universal high-income thing. You're not 0:12:15.429 --> 0:12:16.969 going to be happy with that. You've just taken a 0:12:17.010 --> 0:12:17.870 huge step backwards. 0:12:18.490 --> 0:12:18.710 Yes. 0:12:19.740 --> 0:12:19.880 Yeah. 0:12:19.980 --> 0:12:22.780 Again, acting like there's going to be no politics around 0:12:22.820 --> 0:12:25.120 this is just insane. 0:12:25.540 --> 0:12:28.540 Well, it's completely naive. It's the sort of thing you 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:31.470 get from a scientist. They don't think about anything but 0:12:31.510 --> 0:12:35.209 the science, which is why they need our wise stewardship 0:12:35.270 --> 0:12:38.600 or something or other. I don't know. Here's some news. 0:12:38.980 --> 0:12:41.610 Speaking of the world of technology, the positive side of it, 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:46.859 it's so great the way SimpliSafe works to protect your home. 0:12:46.900 --> 0:12:49.820 You got these AI-powered cameras. They see a guy ooching 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:53.280 around in the bushes, right? And they send off an 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:59.240 alarm to the live U.S.-based human agents who either say, oh, 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:04.500 clearly the gardener, he's edging the lawn, right? Or they say, oh, 0:13:04.540 --> 0:13:07.880 that does not look good at all. And they can intervene, 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:10.700 speak through the camera to scare off the intruder and 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:15.780 or call for 911 dispatch with specific descriptions of what's 0:13:15.820 --> 0:13:18.840 going on. It's an amazing leap forward in security systems, 0:13:18.900 --> 0:13:19.460 simply safe. 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:22.939 Will we not need security systems at all when everybody's 0:13:22.980 --> 0:13:26.380 getting universal high income because everybody's got abundance of everything 0:13:26.420 --> 0:13:27.500 and you don't need to steal anything? 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.440 There will always be greed, I think. Well, that's what 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:30.920 I think, too. 0:13:30.970 --> 0:13:34.469 But they keep pretending like there won't be greed. They're fools. 0:13:34.550 --> 0:13:37.770 Nobody will want more of anything. Anyway, for now, as 0:13:37.830 --> 0:13:40.790 you know, people are willing to steal your stuff. And 0:13:40.830 --> 0:13:43.150 right now, you can get 50% off a new SimpliSafe system. 0:13:43.190 --> 0:13:45.390 Just go to simplisafe.com slash Armstrong. 0:13:45.929 --> 0:13:49.470 That's simplisafe.com slash Armstrong for 50% off. And when you order, 0:13:49.490 --> 0:13:51.410 please write in Armstrong and Getty in the How Did 0:13:51.429 --> 0:13:53.480 You Hear About Us survey. Let them know we sent you. 0:13:53.500 --> 0:13:56.140 Don't forget, there's no safe like SimpliSafe. 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:59.620 How has nobody asked Elon or Amadei or any of 0:13:59.660 --> 0:14:02.420 these people the question about, well, some houses are bigger 0:14:02.460 --> 0:14:04.570 than others. Who's going to live in the big houses 0:14:04.610 --> 0:14:05.910 and who's going to live in the small houses? 0:14:06.590 --> 0:14:09.790 How is this going to shake out? Well, right, and 0:14:09.809 --> 0:14:13.010 let's have Steven Pinker and the Pope and I don't 0:14:13.050 --> 0:14:16.210 know who else all weigh in on the question. That's 0:14:16.290 --> 0:14:21.160 the question. I'm less worried about robots chainsawing my head off. Yeah, 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:23.239 I'm not worried about that at all. Right, well, I'm 0:14:23.260 --> 0:14:24.600 a little worried about it. A social unrest? I mean, 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:27.000 that would hurt like crazy for a minute. There easily 0:14:27.020 --> 0:14:31.900 could be tremendous social unrest. I mean, vroom, vroom, vroom, vroom, vroom. 0:14:32.770 --> 0:14:35.150 All stale, human. You're not worried about that at all? 0:14:35.170 --> 0:14:35.229 No. 0:14:36.900 --> 0:14:38.960 Is that the way it's going to talk? Okay, stay tuned. 0:14:38.980 --> 0:14:39.460 More on the. 0:14:41.020 --> 0:14:41.140 Way. 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:46.260 Armstrong and Getty. 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:50.200 The Chain Roundtable Pizza recently announced a new collaboration with Dr. 0:14:50.220 --> 0:14:53.000 Pepper to offer a Dr. Pepper barbecue pizza. 0:14:53.340 --> 0:14:56.340 And after you eat it, you'll also be collaborating with 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:56.960 the doctor. 0:14:56.980 --> 0:15:04.920 That's a funny joke. What? I don't know. I wasn't amused. 0:15:05.540 --> 0:15:05.800 Wow. 0:15:06.910 --> 0:15:11.710 I don't know why. Oh, that's a fine joke. Did 0:15:11.730 --> 0:15:12.609 we come up with a plan? 0:15:12.650 --> 0:15:14.450 We decided we didn't have enough time for what we 0:15:14.470 --> 0:15:15.030 were going to do. 0:15:16.030 --> 0:15:19.090 I have a feature. Michael, prepare the all-purpose music. I 0:15:19.130 --> 0:15:27.080 have a feature I'd like to call Those Wacky Democrats. There, 0:15:27.100 --> 0:15:30.920 and coming up next segment, true crimes. I mean, crazy 0:15:30.980 --> 0:15:34.640 true crimes, including... Tennessee. I think Tennessee is going to 0:15:34.740 --> 0:15:38.640 execute a woman for the first time in 200 years. Whoa. 0:15:39.340 --> 0:15:41.560 And I don't think it's right. Would she do steal 0:15:41.580 --> 0:15:48.060 her neighbor's possum? Way worse than that. Anyway, you're wacky Democrats. 0:15:48.100 --> 0:15:51.710 Here's Shelly Hedden. She's a Democratic candidate for the North 0:15:51.750 --> 0:15:57.930 Carolina House of Representatives. She is running to restore human decency. 0:15:58.610 --> 0:16:02.060 According to her website... She's the gal who posted that 0:16:02.140 --> 0:16:06.540 Trump voters belong in Nazi ovens. She was at Dachau, 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:13.000 a concentration camp I happened to visit in Germany, and 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:16.820 she decided to pose in front of the ovens, take 0:16:16.860 --> 0:16:21.120 a picture of herself smiling big, concentration camp in Germany. 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:26.260 This is where Trump supporters belong. Oh, my Lord. Wow, 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:26.820 what a joke. 0:16:27.570 --> 0:16:28.390 Oh, my God. 0:16:28.510 --> 0:16:30.310 Trust me. When I was there, I was not looking 0:16:30.370 --> 0:16:36.620 for opportunities for partisan humor as I contemplated man's horrific 0:16:36.780 --> 0:16:40.090 inhumanity to man. Do they have a gift shop and 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:41.090 sell T-shirts and stuff? 0:16:42.650 --> 0:16:43.530 No. Good. 0:16:44.190 --> 0:16:48.200 No, they have a bookstore, as I recall. That makes sense. 0:16:48.550 --> 0:16:51.260 For more learning about it, yeah. And then you've got 0:16:51.340 --> 0:16:54.300 the Angie Nixon character. This is the black gal in 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:57.160 Florida who always wears the fuchsia dresses, like the bright 0:16:57.220 --> 0:17:02.020 pink dresses. I don't know your alternate colors. I'm a guy. 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:06.100 I think that's fuchsia. It could be chartreuse. I don't know. 0:17:08.010 --> 0:17:11.820 I think chartreuse is green. But anyway... I have no idea, actually. 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:17.280 She's an avowed democratic socialist. She owns two homes, raked 0:17:17.340 --> 0:17:22.060 in at least $ 270, 000 last year, not to mention her 0:17:22.140 --> 0:17:27.110 husband's income, which she did not have to report. She's 0:17:27.150 --> 0:17:33.050 also in serious trouble because she owes back taxes and 0:17:33.430 --> 0:17:38.420 student loans... And refuses to pay them and is bitching 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:43.190 online about how crazy it is. Your girl here, over here, 0:17:43.230 --> 0:17:46.730 is on payment plan to pay the IRS 12,000 bucks back. 0:17:47.109 --> 0:17:50.250 And listen, I ain't made 105 billion, but you making 0:17:50.290 --> 0:17:52.129 me pay 12,000 to the feds? 0:17:52.190 --> 0:17:52.710 Like, really? 0:17:53.050 --> 0:17:55.250 That's what we're doing? And they took some of the 0:17:55.310 --> 0:17:59.389 taxes away anyway. So you're a socialist and you're complaining 0:17:59.430 --> 0:18:01.940 that you have to pay your very small percentage of taxes? 0:18:02.580 --> 0:18:05.080 And you haven't paid your student loans back and you've 0:18:05.100 --> 0:18:07.760 got liens? No wonder you're a socialist, because you can't 0:18:07.780 --> 0:18:12.010 run your own damn life. Chartreuse is a vivid yellow-green, 0:18:12.130 --> 0:18:15.010 which I couldn't have told you for a million dollars. True. 0:18:16.730 --> 0:18:18.590 Great true crime stuff coming up. Stay tuned. 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:21.220 Armstrong and Getty. 0:18:22.930 --> 0:18:26.130 After deliberating less than three hours, an Ohio jury has 0:18:26.190 --> 0:18:30.449 found former pastor and one-time American Idol contestant Caleb Flynn 0:18:30.940 --> 0:18:34.240 guilty of killing his wife Ashley and staging the murder 0:18:34.340 --> 0:18:35.500 to look like a home invasion. 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:38.840 We, the jury in this case, being duly impaneled and sworn, 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:40.740 find the defendant, Caleb C. 0:18:40.780 --> 0:18:42.360 Flynn, guilty of murder. 0:18:42.740 --> 0:18:45.460 Flynn breaking down as the verdict was read. 0:18:46.340 --> 0:18:48.080 I'm going to have to discuss this like it's a 0:18:48.100 --> 0:18:50.200 TV show the way we often do with these true 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:53.800 crime things and not that, you know, the reality of it. 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:55.919 Because if you get into the reality of it, it's 0:18:55.940 --> 0:18:58.179 a little, you know, it's brutal to talk about it. 0:18:58.160 --> 0:18:58.600 Like it's a TV show. 0:18:58.619 --> 0:19:01.340 You get more reality than you want for the next story. 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:04.919 You know, he murdered his wife, mom of their kids, whatever. 0:19:04.940 --> 0:19:07.980 These people that come up with these stupid, stupid plans. 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:08.939 This guy was a. 0:19:09.180 --> 0:19:12.600 I haven't watched American Idol in 20 years, but he 0:19:13.180 --> 0:19:16.189 made it fairly far on American Idol and Who cares? 0:19:16.210 --> 0:19:20.649 Good looking guy and a good looking wife who he 0:19:20.670 --> 0:19:23.170 murdered and made it look like it was a home 0:19:23.210 --> 0:19:27.960 break in to be with his also hot, really, really 0:19:27.980 --> 0:19:28.540 young girlfriend. 0:19:28.740 --> 0:19:30.899 Here are more details. It took three hours to convict 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:32.800 him because, well, because what you're about to hear. 0:19:34.100 --> 0:19:37.900 Flynn's defense attorneys argued his wife Ashley, a schoolteacher, was 0:19:38.020 --> 0:19:40.800 fatally shot in the head while in bed during a 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:43.989 home burglary back in February. Flynn, who said he had 0:19:44.050 --> 0:19:45.990 been on the couch and in their two young daughters' 0:19:46.050 --> 0:19:49.970 bedroom when the shooting occurred, made this 911 call sounding French. 0:19:40.030 --> 0:19:40.310 Okay. 0:19:40.330 --> 0:19:57.910 Real enough sounding. Here's more of the prosecution, though. But 0:19:58.020 --> 0:20:01.760 prosecutors maintained it was a cover-up and argued Flynn was 0:20:01.820 --> 0:20:05.340 motivated by a nearly two-year-long affair with a woman he'd 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:09.800 met at his church. That former mistress emotionally testified about 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:14.260 the more than 100,000 messages they exchanged and read several 0:20:14.340 --> 0:20:18.800 where they discussed wanting Flynn's wife dead. That former mistress 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:23.180 testifying Flynn texted her just hours before his wife was killed. Yes. 0:20:25.970 --> 0:20:28.550 Do you remember him saying, I choose you? 0:20:28.609 --> 0:20:28.679 Yes. 0:20:29.290 --> 0:20:30.490 And about to be free? 0:20:30.970 --> 0:20:31.040 Yes. 0:20:31.530 --> 0:20:35.910 He and his hot young girlfriend texted each other over 0:20:35.910 --> 0:20:39.850 100,000 times, which seems like a lot of texting even 0:20:39.910 --> 0:20:45.060 for lovers, including putting in text, sure wish my wife 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:47.639 was dead, wish I could kill my wife so we 0:20:47.660 --> 0:20:49.439 could be together, et cetera, et cetera. 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:51.840 And the audio wasn't great there, but I think the 0:20:51.940 --> 0:20:54.139 action goes down tomorrow. Yeah, I'll be free. 0:20:54.440 --> 0:20:54.720 Yes. 0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:58.919 Okay. You know, you're just as dead when a stupid 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:04.399 person kills you. Yeah. You're contemplating killing your spouse. Don't. 0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:07.530 You're not smart enough to pull it off. You're going 0:21:07.570 --> 0:21:10.010 to go to prison, and you're a monster. 0:21:10.270 --> 0:21:13.350 I'm surprised it took three hours for the jury to 0:21:13.390 --> 0:21:16.220 come to that. I don't know what the various instructions 0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:18.820 were from the judge and various things they need to consider, 0:21:18.859 --> 0:21:19.379 but yeah. 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:20.080 Wow. 0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:22.760 And it could be they got fed first and figured 0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:24.120