WEBVTT - Sean: Politics and Kat Fights 0:00:02.000 --> 0:00:04.200 Hey, everyone, welcome back to Becher Happy Hour. I'm Joe 0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:07.920 and we are here today with Sean Sean. Welcome back 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:09.160 to Betcher Happy Hour. 0:00:09.960 --> 0:00:13.000 Thanks for having me, guys excited to be here of course. 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:16.720 Yeah, you quite entertaining this season. I have to say, 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:23.000 I'm I'm a Sean fan. I appreciate people that are 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:27.760 willing to just be themselves and be on TV and 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:30.960 regardless good or bad, you're you're putting yourself out there. 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:32.559 So I find it very entertaining. 0:00:33.440 --> 0:00:36.080 Thank you. I was trying to be as authentic as 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:37.920 I possibly. I'm pretty much the same like on camera 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:40.519 and off, so like I didn't think I think a 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:42.320 lot of people go through it and they're like everyone 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:44.040 wants to be on TV. No one necessarily wants to 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:46.240 make a TV show, if that kind of makes sense, 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:48.639 where everyone's so focused on like, oh, how's it gonna look? 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:51.240 Is vaccination's gonna like me or not? Like you know, 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:53.040 I'm just in a situation where it's like there's half 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:54.880 a million dollars on the line, I'm gonna do exactly 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:57.200 what I thinks, you know, the right move, or like 0:00:57.240 --> 0:00:58.840 what just puts me in the best position. But I 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:01.400 appreciate Joe that you're fan. That makes maybe one in 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:02.760 the entire world. So we'll see. 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:08.640 All right, So you you go on Paradise the last 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:11.360 the last season. Correct, you were on the last season 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:12.399 of Paradise. 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:13.399 Yeah, season nine. 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:15.440 Yeah. What made you want to come back? 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:20.319 The ac new new location. I think it was it 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:22.880 was a kind of an easy choice, you know. I 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:25.040 knew if I like watched it back, I have fomo 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:28.560 not going to experience something new, like a brand new resort, 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:31.000 a new production team, new concept. I guess from a 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:34.160 show standpoint, and I always have fun when I'm filming. 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:36.119 It's so unique, it's so different than what my day 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:37.920 to day is, So it's kind of an easy choice. 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:42.680 Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. So you get there. Did 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:46.120 you expect not to be original cast? 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:50.320 No? I kind of thought I would be original cast, 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:53.000 not just from like like what was going on. It 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:54.760 was more like the day I flew out there, I 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:56.360 was like, oh, I'm probably going on first because it's 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:58.840 the beginning of like when we started filming, so I 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:02.160 kind of expected it. I was really kind of disappointed 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:04.520 when I was an original cast, but in the end, 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:06.559 I think it worked out better for me. In terms 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:09.239 of like going at the right point. But yeah, I 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:11.000 expected to be og cast originally. 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:14.760 So you get down there, what's that first day? 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:14.920 Like? 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:16.880 Wow? 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:20.080 First day was really tough. So when I got down 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:23.000 to the beach, I was kind of like training myself 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:26.080 to interact with humans. Yet like I felt so uncomfortable 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:28.840 like talking to people. I had no idea the dynamics 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:31.119 going into it. I did really feel uncomfortable. It took 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:33.440 me about a couple hours, maybe two to three, where 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:35.240 I then I finally kind of settled down a little 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:37.480 bit and it was more myself. But it was definitely 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:39.880 nerve wracking going in and this time around, Like normally 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:41.480 you just come in with a date card and you're 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:43.560 just going to pull people. This time you come in 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:45.480 get a chance to meet everyone before you take someone 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:47.400 on a date. So I didn't really know what to 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:49.120 say or do. When I got there, I was like, oh, hi, guys, 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:50.480 some Sean. I don't know if you know me or not, 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:52.280 but great to meet you. And then you know, one 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:54.519 thing led to another, Yeah. 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:55.839 Who did you take on a date? Jill? Right? 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:57.080 Yeah, Jill? 0:02:57.960 --> 0:02:59.480 And why why Jill? 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:04.000 Jill's fun? Like when I got there, everyone's talking about 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:05.760 like coming in late. I was the last guy to 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:10.560 arrive on Paradise. I think, yeah, pretty much. When I 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:13.680 got there was really the only people open were Jill 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:16.400 and like somewhat Alex at that point. And I remember 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:17.880 the first night I got there, I was hanging out 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:19.400 with Jill and we just had like a fun banter 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:22.120 and the date was like an ATV date where you're 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:24.120 going through the rivers of Costa Rica. You kind of 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:26.440 have have to have a certain, you know, care free 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:28.560 attitude to have fun on a date like that, and 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:30.320 Jill was like the perfect person to take me. 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:34.120 We had a blast going into Paradise. Was there anyone 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:36.040 that was on your list of people that you wanted 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:36.480 to meet? 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:40.040 I think a few caught my eye, But honestly, this 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:42.880 time around, I made it a point not to like 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:45.840 basically research or reach out to anyone. It was kind 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:47.760 of I wanted to make my own assumptions of people. 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:49.640 But also I feel like last time I put so 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:52.240 much pressure on myself to make it work with somebody, 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:54.000 where this time I just kind of wanted to go 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:56.200 in and see what was going to happen. I really 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:58.040 didn't have like a long list of people I wanted 0:03:58.040 --> 0:03:59.920 to meet. I just wanted to go and see whoever 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:00.480 vibe with. 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:04.160 Was it targetting down there because a lot of people 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:05.440 coupled up really early this. 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:08.840 Season, Yeah, I think so it was. It was really hard. 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:10.680 I don't know, like going back to I don't know 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:12.400 necessarily who I would have coupled up with if I 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:15.720 was there first day. But there definitely wasn't a lot 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:18.240 of people pulling me for chats at that point, like 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:20.440 I like, I literally just like Jill. That was basically it. 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:23.479 So it was a little bit difficult going in this 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:26.000 time around as compared to I think previous seasons, more 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:28.440 people are open a little bit longer. At least that 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:30.760 was the vibe this time. It felt like after week 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:32.640 two everyone was like lockdown. It was. It was kind 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:35.840 of a unique situation for like Bachelor in Paradise. 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:39.960 I would say, after your date with Jill, where do 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:44.640 you guys stand? Yeah, me and Jill, anything romantic happening. 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:48.000 We were definitely more like friend vibes, and even on 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:50.000 the date, like we didn't really kiss, we had a blast. 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:53.760 Like me and Jill have a certain similar personality where 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:55.680 we can, like, you know, kind of mess around have 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:59.159 fun banter a little bit, and we definitely vibed in 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:01.200 that way, but in terms of romantic it wasn't really 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:03.600 that romantic at all, And like we had a conversation 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:05.800 I think the day after that date where it's like 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:08.440 I don't necessarily know if like I'm feeling anything in 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:10.680 terms of romance, like I enjoy spending time with you, 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:13.520 and like we'll see how it goes. But we kind 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:15.560 of knew we were better office friends, and I feel 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:17.119 like Jill probably would say the same. 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:21.960 We see with the Birds of Paradise activity. You know, 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:25.039 one guy comes down at a time they're pulling their girl. 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:27.880 We see you come down and you opt out of 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:31.799 pulling Jill and you go for April. Walk us through 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:32.960 that decision. 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:38.720 Okay, that night's a little blurry, so back up a 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:39.200 little bit. 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:41.920 But the Birds of Paradise night is a little blurry 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:43.120 for the grip, a little blurry. 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:45.520 So when we were going down, you're like picking out 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:47.839 your outfits, and I like was first in, so I 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:49.680 actually got like a decent outfit compared to some of 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:52.520 the other ones there, and I'm getting hyped up, getting 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:53.920 ready to go make a fool out of myself on 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:57.120 national television. So having you know, a few drinks, all 0:05:57.120 --> 0:05:59.839 of a sudden, we have like a massive thunderstorm for 0:05:59.880 --> 0:06:02.039 like five hours where we're just stuck in our room 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:05.560 doing nothing. So then you know, the drinks keep going, 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:07.919 and five hours later, I'm like ready to go, like 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:11.120 diving full into this this journey. And when I was 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:13.839 going to do my dance, like Jill and I danced together, 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:16.440 but I had planned to do like a body shot 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:18.760 off April because I thought that was the crowd going 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:21.440 and I'm honestly not the best dancer, so the crowd 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:25.320 work might help my favor in terms of performance. I 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:27.159 and then yeah, we made out, but it wasn't like 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:29.640 I ignored Jill. I think that was just like kind 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:31.760 of how how it looks, but it really wasn't like that. 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:35.400 Okay, so you did pull Jill for a little moment, 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:37.640 and then you also pulled April. 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:40.200 Well, like the way it was work is like the 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:43.080 girls supposed to stand up if like they got aroused 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:45.080 by the person. So Jill stood up and we had 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:47.719 danced around a little bit, which was great, but I 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:49.640 also like had the moment where it's like I don't 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:52.920 really want to like blur the lines with Jill in 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:55.599 a way. Like, listen, I made out with April. Totally 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:57.320 down to make out with Jill, you know, So like 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:00.200 I just didn't want to blur the lines in that way, 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:03.920 so for the bit, you know, but so like I 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:05.760 just didn't want to have like have any confusion. Like 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:08.400 we were friends and that was totally fine, and like 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:10.440 she's an awesome person, you. 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:12.520 Get what you're saying, Like you had established that it 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:14.440 was a friend connection and you didn't want of them 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:17.000 pull her make it a romantic thing in the game 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:20.480 and then maybe generate some confusion, whereas like obviously April, 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:22.360 you know, there's less risk of confusion there. 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:25.040 Yeah, for sure, was there. 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:26.800 A chance of any confusion with April? 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:32.840 Tang Honestly at that point, thinking back to that week, 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:35.600 Like if Alicia didn't come down and it was just 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:39.480 like me and like April, I might have given her 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:41.080 my rose. I mean I probably would have got gave 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:43.520 it to that point, but like totally would be down 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:45.120 to hang out with April and have fun. She was 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:48.480 so much fun, so like such a care free attitude 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:51.840 and like really interesting too, So I totally would have, 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:54.120 you know, coupled up with April. You know, I had 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:56.160 basically nothing else going on. I've been fun. 0:07:57.160 --> 0:07:58.520 I kind of wish that would have happened. 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:04.119 We do see Alicia comes down, You're kind of being 0:08:04.160 --> 0:08:06.480 introduced to her at the same time every guy comes down, 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:09.640 and it's like, oh, there's a new girl here. We 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:12.680 know that after the game, you and her had a conversation. 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:13.880 Tell us about that conversation. 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:17.040 Yeah, that conversations that night's still a little bit blurry. 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:20.040 I don't know if it went too well. I remember 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:23.680 like being very intrigued by Alicia, and there's something about 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:25.640 the way that she like carried herself. There's like this 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:28.440 elegant presence to her. I kind of described it as 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:32.040 like Princess Diana esque, like it just captivated me in 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:34.960 a way. Obviously her eyes are stunning, but it was 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:37.800 really like not probably not the best conversation at all 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:41.040 at that point of the night. I was definitely, you know, 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:44.320 probably should have went to bet but and we did 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:47.600 have a much much better conversation than next morning, and 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:50.240 that's where it kind of like solidified. I guess our 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:51.400 interest in one another. 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:54.719 Were you shocked when Jill sent herself home that night, 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:57.600 and do you think it was because Alicia came in? 0:08:59.520 --> 0:08:59.800 I was. 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:02.199 I was really shocked in the moment because like when 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:05.640 Alicia had came in, like Jill disappeared right after like 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:07.520 the Birds of Paradise dance, it wasn't like she was 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:09.160 around there. She's like right to her hotel room, so 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:11.240 I didn't even see her after that had had kind 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:14.200 of finished. So when she came out and said she's leaving, 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:15.520 I was kind of shocked because like I don't even 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:17.360 know if I had, Like I think I had just 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:19.720 spoken to Alicia for the first time like twenty five 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:22.040 minutes before that, so it's not like it was, you know, 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:23.840 hanging out kind of ignoring her situation. 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:26.280 So I was shocked her again, I'm gonna go, well either, 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:27.880 so you're kind of like fuck. 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:32.240 I actually, like I remember having that conversations like super 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:35.080 serious and Jill's like, Sean, I'm leaving, and I remember, 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:37.959 just like coming off dancing, I'm like, oh no, and 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:41.719 like it was the worst reaction possible. But yeah, I 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:44.120 was kind of confused, and truthfully with Jill is not 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:46.400 I don't necessarily think it was me and like Alicia, 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:48.599 I think it was more the culmination of like not 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:51.079 only this experience on Paradise, but last experience, and it 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:53.720 just kind of was the tipping point with that date 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:54.920 and everything that was going on. 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:59.280 Got it Okay. So when Alicia was on our podcast, 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:04.280 she had mentioned so she ends up choosing you over Dale, 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:07.280 but she had mentioned that her and Dale would have 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:10.959 coupled up at the beginning. How does that? How do 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:11.599 you feel about that? 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:17.160 Yeah, that was definitely tough to hear. I don't the 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:19.800 way that it came off, like I took it as 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:21.840 if she said, like meant she was gonna end up 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:24.240 with Dale at the end, And I think she might 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:28.120 have been trying to explain in the beginning, like if 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:30.439 she got there the first day, Yeah, I wasn't there, 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:33.440 And I think that's kind of what she meant to say, hopefully, 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:37.280 But I think it came off as like a finality 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:39.559 type thing in the end, and so like when you 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:41.800 do that and then if you leave in a relationship 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:44.160 with someone and then you you know, hear other stuff 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:47.240 like on a podcast, like, yeah, it definitely definitely hurts. 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:48.840 Yeah. 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:49.400 Yeah. 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:51.480 The way I took it was if she was down 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:53.640 day one or two and then Dale was also down 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:56.520 day one or two, they had a lot in common 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:59.360 that they might have ended up coupling up, but it's 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:02.600 definitely a gray area with the comment. So yeah, I'm 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:04.960 curious if we ever get clarity on that with her, 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:08.120 but definitely an interesting take. I mean, do you think 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:09.920 that her and Dale had a lot in common and 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:10.720 could have been a good match. 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:16.800 No, Like I don't, I don't think so. I mean, 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:19.600 like it this was what was weird for me because 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:21.400 even like hearing that comment then like watching it, like 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:23.679 the show is like portraying like there was that like 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:26.480 spark or whatever, like they were like thinking about it. 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:29.559 I never once thought that, Like I felt so secure 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:33.199 with Alicia the entire time, like even if like herd 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:35.079 Dale and Cat were talking or her just heard Dale, 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:36.559 Like what do you think anything of it? So it 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:38.720 was kind of like almost like a jump scarer watching 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:40.480 it back. And you know, I've always tried to get 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:42.160 grace with people on the show because you never know 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:44.520 how things like look in an interview, what questions they're 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:47.240 getting asked, or and even like to come to Alicia's 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:49.120 defense a little bit, like a lot of the interviews 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:52.079 that was like right the day she got there, Like 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:55.000 it wasn't like later on in the season. It was 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:57.000 like the day she got there, that's her first reaction. 0:11:57.280 --> 0:12:00.000 I was like, you know, probably fifteen glasses a champagn 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:02.240 deep at that point, Like I would probably be okay 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:04.360 with they're saying that she might have a better conversation 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:06.280 with Dale at that point. If it was like later, 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:09.000 that'd be a different story. But yeah, it just sucks 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:09.920 to hear regardless, you know. 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:21.839 Yeah, Okay, So Jesse comes down and introduces basically a 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:24.560 new element of the show that completely changes the show. 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:28.439 It goes from a dating show to now a dating 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:32.680 show slash competition show. There's five hundred thousand on the line. 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:36.959 You as we see, especially in this current episode, you're 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:41.199 really playing the game, which is understandable because it is 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:45.160 now a game. Who else was on the same page 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:47.360 as you, not just like where you wanted to vote, 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:51.320 But as far as like, oh this is a competition now, yeah, 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:51.719 it was. 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:54.559 It was strange. Like the reaction even when it was 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:57.000 announced is five hundred thousand dollars. I was. I was psyched. 0:12:57.040 --> 0:12:58.320 I was like, this is really cool. So I get 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:00.600 to do the same thing we're doing currently, but now 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:02.280 there's a chance to win money at the end, I 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:05.559 was like, this is an awesome, like fun opportunity. People's 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:09.120 reaction to the money was like shocking to me, Like 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:11.840 there was people complaining about it too, and I'm like, guys, 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:13.720 like I've done Paradise before, Like we're doing the same 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:16.320 thing we'd normally be doing. It's just now there's money involved. 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:19.400 It's gonna be fun. And I think most people had 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:21.560 in their hand that it was either like love or money, 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:23.440 and like that was never the way it was explained. 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:26.679 You can have both. It's just the reaction was crazy. 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:28.720 And I really do think a lot of the people 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:31.480 and for like maybe the detriment of the show that 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:33.720 they come on, but like they're so worried about how 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:37.079 they're gonna look, like they're so scared about what Bachelor 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:38.800 Nation is going to think, Like oh, if I'm like 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:40.439 interested in the money, they're gonna be mad at me. 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:43.200 It's like, I I just think that people care too 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:44.959 much about what other people think and you should just 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:47.240 go and have fun. And the money was an awesome 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:49.320 twist and I thought it was a really interesting element 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:50.160 to the show. 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:53.640 I agree, but who out of the rest of the 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:56.120 cast was playing the game, so I. 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:58.280 Completely just like went around the question John Matt, But 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:00.839 there was in the thing is is like when we 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:03.559 have off days behind cameras, when there's when you're actually 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:05.640 not filming, people were more interested in the money and 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:07.760 then they're going to camera and switch up. So like 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:10.360 I think you saw in the episode, like Jonathan like like, oh, 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:12.200 we should tell people we're not a showng couple because 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:14.160 like you know, we can stay on longer. Like there 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:16.360 was a lot of that going on. No one was 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:19.040 just like open to talk about it. Like there it 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:22.240 was just like behind closed doors type situation and when 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:24.440 we have dead days we're not filming, people are into 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:27.160 the concept of the game. And I was like, guys, 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:29.320 have you like seen Survivor, like just like watch like 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:32.000 a game show, like it can be fun and like entertaining. 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:34.920 It just felt people are scared scared to like commit 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:36.080 to like the competition. 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:41.120 Yeah, it is interesting. I'm loving this element, especially in 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:43.440 this episode of people that have not signed up for 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:46.120 a game show maybe never would have been like cast 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:49.320 on a competition show frankly, and now are like forced 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:52.440 into the competition element and who is like leaning in 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:55.040 I like love the Jonathan and lay element, where like 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:56.880 they're not really in a relationship, but they are kind 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:59.880 of trying to like play the game for me personally, 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:03.680 If I'm in a couple with Joe and he looks 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:06.600 at me and goes, I don't care about the five 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:08.840 hundred thousand, that doesn't mean anything to me. I literally 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:09.280 don't care. 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:11.080 Red flag. 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:12.800 I'm sorry, like red flags. 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:14.760 Or you better or you better have a lot of money. Yeah, 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:16.120 you better be rich. 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:18.120 If you're gonna look at my face and say I 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:20.320 don't care about half a million dollars. So there is 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:23.360 this kind of like like tell me if I'm right. 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:26.360 It like feels like some people like this holier than 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:29.240 now mentality of no, I'm here for love because my 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:31.920 heart is pure. And then people are looking at you 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:34.680 and some of the other people as like how dare 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:35.920 you care about the money? 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:39.160 Yeah? It was nuts, and like it's half a million dollars. 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:41.240 It's not like fifty k where after taxes, you know, 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:43.680 like whatever, it's like twenty five maybe right, half a 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:47.400 million dollars? Like these people do these people make that 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:50.120 outside of the show. I can guarantee you know, like 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:52.040 you know, how long you have to work to make that, 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:56.040 Like that's a really, really good year's worth of work there, 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:58.120 and I can win it on a competition show that 0:15:58.200 --> 0:15:59.960 I had no idea I was gonna be in money element, 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:02.240 Like yeah, the holier That approach is the best way 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:04.440 to describe it's serena, because like that's what it felt like. 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:06.360 Even when I was saying some of the stuff this episode, 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:09.400 I'm like, guys, like I'm not being mean, Like at 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:11.000 least like the cat thing might be a little bit mean, 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:12.720 but before that, it was never like mean. I was 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:16.080 just like, it doesn't make sense strategically to not think 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:18.400 this way, Like who does it benefit if you're just 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:20.160 going around to the next week, And I think a 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:21.760 lot of people are just trying to buy their time 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:24.880 until they got voted off, And like, I'm not gonna 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:27.000 just sit around and wait for someone to come chop 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:29.080 my head off, Like I'm gonna try to protect myself 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:31.760 and do something that would give us some sort of security. 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:36.760 Do you think Brian telling Bailey about Jeremy was a 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:38.640 game move or a friend move. 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:42.120 I think it was a little bit of both. I 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:46.320 think I think strategically it might have been into his favor, 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:48.320 but I'll tell you what the whole situation. I'm glad 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:51.000 you brought that up, Joe, because I was thinking strategy 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:53.480 from the moment they said, this is a competition show. 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:56.960 So to go back into like last episodes when Brian 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:59.120 brings up all the stuff and everyone gets mad at Brian. 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:01.800 I think a lot of people. Truthfully, I didn't have 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:03.440 a problem with Brian, but a lot of people didn't 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:06.000 like Brian. Like they did not like Brian, so when 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:07.639 it came to him, they immediately turned on him no 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:09.840 matter what. And he was right to tell Bailey because 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:12.080 like watching it back and you find it out on 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:14.760 a TV show, it's that'd be I'd be awful. 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:16.119