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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to Becher Happy Hour. I'm Joe

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Speaker 1: and we are here today with Sean Sean. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to Betcher Happy Hour.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, guys excited to be here of course.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you quite entertaining this season. I have to say,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm a Sean fan. I appreciate people that are

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Speaker 1: willing to just be themselves and be on TV and

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Speaker 1: regardless good or bad, you're you're putting yourself out there.

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Speaker 1: So I find it very entertaining.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I was trying to be as authentic as

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Speaker 2: I possibly. I'm pretty much the same like on camera

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Speaker 2: and off, so like I didn't think I think a

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Speaker 2: lot of people go through it and they're like everyone

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Speaker 2: wants to be on TV. No one necessarily wants to

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Speaker 2: make a TV show, if that kind of makes sense,

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Speaker 2: where everyone's so focused on like, oh, how's it gonna look?

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Speaker 2: Is vaccination's gonna like me or not? Like you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm just in a situation where it's like there's half

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Speaker 2: a million dollars on the line, I'm gonna do exactly

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Speaker 2: what I thinks, you know, the right move, or like

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Speaker 2: what just puts me in the best position. But I

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Speaker 2: appreciate Joe that you're fan. That makes maybe one in

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Speaker 2: the entire world. So we'll see.

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Speaker 1: All right, So you you go on Paradise the last

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Speaker 1: the last season. Correct, you were on the last season

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Speaker 1: of Paradise.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, season nine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. What made you want to come back?

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Speaker 2: The ac new new location. I think it was it

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Speaker 2: was a kind of an easy choice, you know. I

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Speaker 2: knew if I like watched it back, I have fomo

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Speaker 2: not going to experience something new, like a brand new resort,

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Speaker 2: a new production team, new concept. I guess from a

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Speaker 2: show standpoint, and I always have fun when I'm filming.

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Speaker 2: It's so unique, it's so different than what my day

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Speaker 2: to day is, So it's kind of an easy choice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. So you get there. Did

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Speaker 1: you expect not to be original cast?

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Speaker 2: No? I kind of thought I would be original cast,

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Speaker 2: not just from like like what was going on. It

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Speaker 2: was more like the day I flew out there, I

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Speaker 2: kind of expected it. I was really kind of disappointed

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Speaker 2: when I was an original cast, but in the end,

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Speaker 2: I think it worked out better for me. In terms

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Speaker 2: expected to be og cast originally.

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Speaker 3: So you get down there, what's that first day?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: Wow?

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Speaker 2: First day was really tough. So when I got down

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Speaker 2: to the beach, I was kind of like training myself

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Speaker 2: to interact with humans. Yet like I felt so uncomfortable

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Speaker 2: like talking to people. I had no idea the dynamics

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Speaker 2: going into it. I did really feel uncomfortable. It took

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Speaker 2: nerve wracking going in and this time around, Like normally

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Speaker 2: you just come in with a date card and you're

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Speaker 2: just going to pull people. This time you come in

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Speaker 2: say or do. When I got there, I was like, oh, hi, guys,

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Speaker 2: some Sean. I don't know if you know me or not,

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Speaker 2: but great to meet you. And then you know, one

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Speaker 1: Who did you take on a date? Jill? Right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jill?

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Speaker 1: And why why Jill?

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Speaker 2: Jill's fun? Like when I got there, everyone's talking about

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Speaker 2: like coming in late. I was the last guy to

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Speaker 2: arrive on Paradise. I think, yeah, pretty much. When I

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Speaker 2: the first night I got there, I was hanging out

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Speaker 2: and the date was like an ATV date where you're

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Speaker 3: We had a blast going into Paradise. Was there anyone

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Speaker 2: I think a few caught my eye, But honestly, this

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Speaker 2: But also I feel like last time I put so

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Speaker 3: Was it targetting down there because a lot of people

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Speaker 3: coupled up really early this.

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Speaker 2: Season, Yeah, I think so it was. It was really hard.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, like going back to I don't know

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Speaker 2: of people pulling me for chats at that point, like

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Speaker 2: I like, I literally just like Jill. That was basically it.

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Speaker 2: So it was a little bit difficult going in this

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Speaker 2: two everyone was like lockdown. It was. It was kind

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Speaker 1: I would say, after your date with Jill, where do

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Speaker 1: you guys stand? Yeah, me and Jill, anything romantic happening.

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Speaker 2: We were definitely more like friend vibes, and even on

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Speaker 2: Like me and Jill have a certain similar personality where

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Speaker 2: I think the day after that date where it's like

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Speaker 2: I don't necessarily know if like I'm feeling anything in

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Speaker 2: like Jill probably would say the same.

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Speaker 3: We see with the Birds of Paradise activity. You know,

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Speaker 3: We see you come down and you opt out of

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Speaker 2: Okay, that night's a little blurry, so back up a

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Speaker 3: But the Birds of Paradise night is a little blurry

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Speaker 2: So when we were going down, you're like picking out

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Speaker 2: and then yeah, we made out, but it wasn't like

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Speaker 2: I ignored Jill. I think that was just like kind

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Speaker 3: Okay, so you did pull Jill for a little moment,

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Speaker 3: and then you also pulled April.

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Speaker 2: Well, like the way it was work is like the

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Speaker 2: a way. Like, listen, I made out with April. Totally

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Speaker 2: I just didn't want to blur the lines in that way,

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Speaker 2: so for the bit, you know, but so like I

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Speaker 2: she's an awesome person, you.

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Speaker 3: Get what you're saying, Like you had established that it

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Speaker 3: and then maybe generate some confusion, whereas like obviously April,

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Speaker 3: you know, there's less risk of confusion there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, was there.

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Speaker 1: A chance of any confusion with April?

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Speaker 2: Tang Honestly at that point, thinking back to that week,

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Speaker 2: Like if Alicia didn't come down and it was just

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Speaker 1: I kind of wish that would have happened.

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Speaker 3: We do see Alicia comes down, You're kind of being

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Speaker 3: and it's like, oh, there's a new girl here. We

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Speaker 3: know that after the game, you and her had a conversation.

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Speaker 3: Tell us about that conversation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that conversations that night's still a little bit blurry.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it went too well. I remember

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Speaker 2: like being very intrigued by Alicia, and there's something about

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Speaker 2: really like not probably not the best conversation at all

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Speaker 2: have a much much better conversation than next morning, and

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Speaker 2: that's where it kind of like solidified. I guess our

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Speaker 1: Were you shocked when Jill sent herself home that night,

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Speaker 1: and do you think it was because Alicia came in?

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Speaker 1: I was.

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Speaker 2: I was really shocked in the moment because like when

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Speaker 2: Alicia had came in, like Jill disappeared right after like

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Speaker 2: the Birds of Paradise dance, it wasn't like she was

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Speaker 2: I didn't even see her after that had had kind

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Speaker 2: I was kind of shocked because like I don't even

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is interesting. I'm loving this element, especially in

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Speaker 3: If you're gonna look at my face and say I

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Speaker 2: Yeah? It was nuts, and like it's half a million dollars.

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Speaker 2: I called her. I was like, what do you mean

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Speaker 3: Gotcha walk us through your Parliament of Paradise strategy and

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Speaker 3: how you picked who you wanted to be in this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, great question. So when I started to do the

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Speaker 2: would trust me and like they would know that I

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00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:49,920
Speaker 2: would have their back going in to try to set

440
00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,280
Speaker 2: up like the final four, and like, truly it came

441
00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,520
Speaker 2: down from I was friends with Kat prior to the

442
00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:56,840
Speaker 2: show for like two and a half years. I knew

443
00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:01,040
Speaker 2: Jeremy beforehand, and Alicia was friends with Alex and Bailey

444
00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:02,840
Speaker 2: they're from their season. Like that's kind of how it

445
00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,040
Speaker 2: came out. And then like at the end of the day,

446
00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,000
Speaker 2: like Spencer and Jess, like I don't want to go

447
00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:08,760
Speaker 2: up against them in the end, Like however this is

448
00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,040
Speaker 2: going to end, whether it's like I don't know, like

449
00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,520
Speaker 2: the audience votes like I'm not I'm not gonna win

450
00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:15,440
Speaker 2: the vote against like Spencer and Jess. If it's like

451
00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:17,560
Speaker 2: the if like they let's say a jury comes back

452
00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,400
Speaker 2: and votes like I'm not gonna win that if I'm

453
00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,440
Speaker 2: going against them, so like trying to like facilitate Alicia

454
00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,720
Speaker 2: and I up to have the best success moving forward.

455
00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:28,640
Speaker 2: And like the people I involved, they'd all like expressed interest,

456
00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:30,840
Speaker 2: like and that was like where it's kind of shocking

457
00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,320
Speaker 2: the way the way it came off. They played downplayed it,

458
00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:34,879
Speaker 2: and I think that they kind of caught on that

459
00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,760
Speaker 2: no one else was like thinking strategically, so then they

460
00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:39,760
Speaker 2: like backed out, but like each one of them was

461
00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:43,080
Speaker 2: like game off camera to a degree, Like I was like,

462
00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:44,840
Speaker 2: what are you thinking about this? Like, yeah, I agree

463
00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:46,359
Speaker 2: all this type of stuff, and then like when it

464
00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,200
Speaker 2: came actually time to like put it out there and

465
00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,159
Speaker 2: like do it, completely backed out and then that's what

466
00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:53,280
Speaker 2: you kind of see happening.

467
00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:58,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like the energy that's going on is

468
00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:02,720
Speaker 3: like the people that are in the strongest couples are safe,

469
00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:04,920
Speaker 3: and they're going to slowly pick off the people that

470
00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,320
Speaker 3: are either in a friendship couple or not in a

471
00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:14,920
Speaker 3: strong couple until it's basically only the serious relationships left. However,

472
00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,160
Speaker 3: we then see them vote out Brian and Prisa, who

473
00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,240
Speaker 3: from an audience perspective, are in a much stronger relationship

474
00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,200
Speaker 3: than Leiah and Jonathan or Kathy and Keith.

475
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:26,040
Speaker 1: How do we get from.

476
00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:26,680
Speaker 3: Point A to point B.

477
00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seemed like again like I would say, kind

478
00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,959
Speaker 2: of the holier than thou approach type situation, like they

479
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,280
Speaker 2: didn't like Brian, they vote them off, Like I don't

480
00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,440
Speaker 2: understand where the concept went wry, and like it was

481
00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,399
Speaker 2: kind of selective in terms of who they put that onto, like, oh,

482
00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:43,520
Speaker 2: Jonathan lay are cool with people because they want their season,

483
00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:44,760
Speaker 2: Like they're not going to vote them off, but like

484
00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,600
Speaker 2: Brian and Preser are fair game. So that was like

485
00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,399
Speaker 2: a little bit interesting in terms of like how we

486
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:53,000
Speaker 2: left the plot and voting out like picking off couples.

487
00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:54,920
Speaker 2: But like the thing is like we were going to

488
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,160
Speaker 2: get down to a point where everyone was a couple,

489
00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:58,840
Speaker 2: so like how are you going to vote then, Like

490
00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,680
Speaker 2: it's just automatically if you were there earlier staying longer

491
00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:03,359
Speaker 2: like that didn't make sense to me, Like there was

492
00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 2: probably stronger couples than maybe for him later. So it

493
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:07,720
Speaker 2: was the whole thing was a little bit confusing, and

494
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 2: no one was thinking like a couple steps ahead. It

495
00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,919
Speaker 2: was only like in this moment, like this day, how

496
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:14,480
Speaker 2: are you going to feel? And like I was trying

497
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 2: to think a little bit further down the line.

498
00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,359
Speaker 1: I think I think you're kind of like the victim

499
00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,159
Speaker 1: of this being the first time the show does this,

500
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 1: and because you went so and you did go, you

501
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,880
Speaker 1: did go a little too hard with the strategy because

502
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,199
Speaker 1: that just that put a target on your Like if

503
00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,240
Speaker 1: I was down there and then people are like, let's

504
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,240
Speaker 1: just go Sean and the numbers were on you, I'd

505
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:35,960
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, he's an easy target. Just get it

506
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,440
Speaker 1: off me. Because I think that's a big part of

507
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,639
Speaker 1: the game element too, is like as long as it's

508
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 1: not me, I don't really care who it is because

509
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get to the end. But you

510
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 1: see you get pretty worked up over Cat, which seems

511
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,040
Speaker 1: pretty reasonable because we see in the episode kind of

512
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 1: clips of you standing up for Cat.

513
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 3: She also did come on our podcast and say going

514
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,639
Speaker 3: into the season, you guys were good friends and that

515
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:01,639
Speaker 3: she would like call you about guy stuff and you

516
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 3: would call her about girl stuff.

517
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 1: So what goes wrong?

518
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, great question. I actually don't even know if I

519
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:11,920
Speaker 2: still know the answer to that. And like, the way

520
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 2: I describe friends in this world is like I have

521
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,200
Speaker 2: like my Bachelor Nation friends that i'll see at an event,

522
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 2: I'll see out of them in their city, but I'm

523
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:19,440
Speaker 2: not like calling them to like hang out. You know,

524
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:21,639
Speaker 2: Cal was like a real friend, like outside of this,

525
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 2: we would talk pretty frequently on the phone, like you know,

526
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 2: we caught up before Paradise, like when she was in

527
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 2: Tampa for the holidays, like met her, like met her

528
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 2: some of her her sister. I think so like she

529
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 2: was like an actual friend. And I don't know, like

530
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,920
Speaker 2: I really don't know. I think that in her mind,

531
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,439
Speaker 2: I was trying to get people to turn against her,

532
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 2: which was like never the case, like if I if

533
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:44,920
Speaker 2: I didn't win, I want a cat to win, like

534
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 2: the money. And I think it was just a game

535
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,159
Speaker 2: of telephone and I again I don't necessarily know all

536
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:51,879
Speaker 2: the details because we don't get to see everything. But

537
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 2: I think it was more so like you said, Joe,

538
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,880
Speaker 2: where like people were trying to put the target off

539
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,120
Speaker 2: their back, so then that shifts.

540
00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:58,159
Speaker 1: It on to me.

541
00:22:58,200 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, yeah, he's gonna do this, he's not.

542
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,360
Speaker 2: You can't trust him all that type of things. But yeah,

543
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 2: it kind of went awry and then I just felt

544
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 2: like pretty betrayed at that moment. And I was like

545
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 2: the one person who I thought I could trust, But

546
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 2: I actually don't even know what honestly happened, Like I

547
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 2: don't know if I'll ever truly know the situation.

548
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, watching it, she definitely seems to hesitate on wanting

549
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,159
Speaker 3: to speak to the fact that you guys are friends,

550
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 3: and it does feel like she is calling your character

551
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 3: into question. I think she says like she feels like

552
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 3: you're not moving with integrity, and she's really really upset

553
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 3: by the conversation, as are you. I guess my question

554
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 3: is like, do you think it was miscommunication? Do you

555
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 3: think that if you had maybe not moved in such

556
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 3: a like aggressive strategic way, this wouldn't have happened, Like

557
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 3: what do you think was the fuel to this fire?

558
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 2: I think it was a combination of everything. I think

559
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 2: that the strategic portion, like to make a good analogy, yeah,

560
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 2: I went hard on the strategy, but I describe it

561
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 2: like the Seahawks, like throwing a pick to Malcolm Butler

562
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,640
Speaker 2: and the goal line in the Super Bowl, Like everyone

563
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 2: went back was like that's.

564
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 1: A terrible move.

565
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 2: You shouldn't have done that. You should run the ball.

566
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 2: But if it had worked, it been a great play,

567
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 2: Like had they like bought in, it would have created

568
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 2: like an element of like security for like all the

569
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 2: couples within that, especially Cat, and I think it was

570
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 2: more so that she thought I couldn't be trusted in

571
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 2: general because I was talking so strategically. But in reality,

572
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 2: the only people that should have been mad about that

573
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 2: were just justin Spencer, like Alex Andrew, like Bailey and

574
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 2: Jeremy Key and Dale, like you were part of like

575
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,880
Speaker 2: the group where I wasn't trying to like get people

576
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 2: voted off, like I was gonna protect you. So I

577
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 2: think it was more so people trying to get the

578
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 2: target off the back. Once they like saw I was

579
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 2: rubbing people the wrong way, they like piled on and

580
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 2: like there was some stuff that I got told that

581
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 2: people thought I said. I was like, I've never said that,

582
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 2: Like I said I was like saying mean things to Jonathan.

583
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 2: I was like, I never said anything me to Jonathan

584
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,400
Speaker 2: at all. So I think it was just a game

585
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 2: of telephone that spiled out of control, and then it

586
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 2: came to a front with the Cat conversation.

587
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 3: How did it feel when she went back to Dale

588
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 3: and then Dale and you kind of got into it.

589
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 2: I mean, what am I gonna say to Dale? Like,

590
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 2: I mean we've seen like kind of this. I was like, what,

591
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I didn't want to get into like an

592
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 2: argument with Dale over something that I didn't even know

593
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 2: what Kat said, like she said I cussed her out,

594
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 2: Like I don't think I cussed her out. I think

595
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 2: I used a cuss word, like saying I've never like

596
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 2: death and do that to you. But like at that point,

597
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 2: like I didn't even care, like I was if so

598
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 2: I felt so betrayed. No one was like looking at me.

599
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 2: No one was looking me in the eye, know, would

600
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 2: come up to me, like it was really awkward. I

601
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 2: just wanted to go with a with Alicia and like

602
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 2: just be done with it the whole situation. So I

603
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 2: kind of just like, yeah, I'm done. Let's that's not

604
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 2: even worth an argument.

605
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, were you part of the idea to just self eliminate?

606
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: Why not just like get eliminated? Like it kind of

607
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: looks like when Alicia kind of steps up and like

608
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 1: me and Choan are going to leave as a couple,

609
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna self eliminate. Like it kind of seems like, well,

610
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 1: you guys were gonna get eliminated anyway, it's like.

611
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 2: Why, Yeah, I think it was more so like not

612
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 2: give him the satisfactions, like you didn't vote us off

613
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 2: we left or home, but reality there we were done anyway.

614
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 2: But yeah, I was like like whatever, like we're done,

615
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 2: and like Alicia felt betrayed by her friends too, like

616
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 2: we just weren't. It wasn't fun anymore. Like it was

617
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 2: like I was enjoying the hell out of paradise and

618
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 2: just didn't become fun. And truthfully, there was like no

619
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 2: way we were gonna like go and we were we

620
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 2: were gonna be gone the next week anyway after this,

621
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 2: there's no way we're like staying. So it was just

622
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 2: time to go.

623
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 1: If you would have won, because you guys almost won,

624
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: so if you did stay next week and then one,

625
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 1: you stood.

626
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 2: A chance we had, yeah, won the competition. We would

627
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 2: have had to win a competition, and like I had

628
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 2: some great ideas if we won, like believe it the

629
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 2: strategy element. So this was fun off the gas well,

630
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 2: I think people like and people have came to me afterwards,

631
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 2: like I probably should have listened to you a little

632
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 2: bit more like towards the end because obviously know how

633
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 2: it ends. But I wanted to be able to like

634
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 2: control the game in a way, right, And there's certain

635
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 2: elements to it where you could like have an impact

636
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 2: in the voting without just yourself. So for example, like

637
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 2: the way it was worded was when you wanted a competition,

638
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 2: like you got to hand out the first rows. In

639
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: my mind and this like how deep When I was like,

640
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 2: what if I hand it out to like another guy,

641
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 2: Like everyone's voting for Brian. What if I hand it

642
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 2: out to Brian Then he gets it to pres and

643
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,959
Speaker 2: everyone thinks we're safe, they're not voting for us. Then

644
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 2: I get another rose at the end, and you can

645
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: kind of like manipulate the vote that way and like

646
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 2: get people out. Like that's how deep we're talking about. Guys.

647
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 2: They should? They should?

648
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: We do see Brian gets Brian gets a little worked up,

649
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 1: and he's like I'm gonna you know, in his interview

650
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,959
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm gonna slap this kid right now, referring

651
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: to you. I don't I don't think he was serious,

652
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 1: but yeah, like what was his issue? And you guys

653
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 1: had a conversation and how did that end?

654
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it ended up like fine, Like Brian like Brian

655
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 2: was mad that I was, like he thought I was

656
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 2: trying to get a vote. It often like I was

657
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 2: last week for sure, because I thought, like, strategically, why

658
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 2: we re voicing about and Kimmy's gone that following week.

659
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 2: I was like, eh, when he had the conversation with me,

660
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 2: like it actually makes sense to keep him here. And

661
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 2: I told him straight up, I was like, dude, I

662
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 2: don't have a problem with like what you did with Bailey.

663
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 2: I don't have a problem with you as a person,

664
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 2: Like this is a game at this point, and like strategically,

665
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 2: like it kind of like we're getting down to the end.

666
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 2: And like after that conversation, me and Brian were cool,

667
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 2: like like no, no problems at all, Like it probably

668
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 2: looked like he was upset. He probably was. But a

669
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 2: big point of this is any time once I started

670
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 2: talking strategy, anytime I would have a conversation with anybody,

671
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 2: they people were like, oh, they're talking strategy. I could

672
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 2: be talking about like the Berts and people would assume

673
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 2: like I was talking about peptides one time with Dale

674
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 2: and like everyone's they're talking strategy. It's like that type

675
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 2: of like telephone game basically happened but now Brian, me

676
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 2: and Brian finally had that conversation, and then everything after

677
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 2: that was fine.

678
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 3: What do you wish you've done differently?

679
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 2: Woo, I think a lot of it. I wish that

680
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 2: I would have been a little bit more aware of

681
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 2: like where people's alliances were. And I think looking back

682
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 2: at it, it was we were Me and Alicia were

683
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 2: in a really tough spot from the get go. I

684
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 2: was the last guy to come in, she was the

685
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 2: last girl. I had zero people from Charity season there.

686
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 2: I had none of my friends, like my true friends

687
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 2: outside of this, no one was there. I didn't even

688
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 2: have a roommate. All these people had roommates and there

689
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 2: ruining one another, Like I didn't have anyone. It was

690
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 2: just by myself. So like when you add that element

691
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 2: to the game, like we were really far behind, probably

692
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 2: should just like shut up once in a while and

693
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 2: just like kind of played in the shadows a little

694
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 2: bit more. But my that was a part of the

695
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 2: strategy too, because like if it got down to the

696
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 2: end and I'm like open about it and I'm not

697
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 2: stabbing like my friends in the back, which I wouldn't have, like,

698
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 2: then you might be able to like win like a

699
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 2: vote from like the audience or like, however it's going

700
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 2: to end. But yeah, I probably just shut up once

701
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 2: in a while.

702
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: But you know, I think I think you were kind

703
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: of like, you know, yeah, you were focked. The only

704
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: shot you had really was a few you would you

705
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: guys almost won that that competition. If you would have

706
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: won that competition, and then you could have locked somebody

707
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: in on your side for being a little loyal, which

708
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: in competition games and no one's loyal, but that would

709
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: have been your holy chance. Other than that, yeah, you

710
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: don't have a roommate. You guys are the two last

711
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: people in, so you're the easiest to vote out. Like

712
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: it's just so easy to just be like, yeah, well

713
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: we didn't know them prior, or we didn't know Sean Pryor,

714
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: like he just got here gone.

715
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 2: And that's like and Alicia and I like we were

716
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 2: from Tampa, like so everyone was talking like, oh, like

717
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 2: why do you guys need to be here? You just

718
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,239
Speaker 2: go back together, and it's like everything was stocked against us.

719
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, we were, like you said, we were fucked. Basically,

720
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 2: so you.

721
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 3: Send yourself home. Where do you stand with the Leisha?

722
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 3: When you guys leave, What are the conversations you're having?

723
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 3: Are you going to try to continue the relationship.

724
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like when we got sent home, I was so excited,

725
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 2: like we were going back to Tampa together, Like we

726
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 2: had talked about leaving a relationship well prior to us

727
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 2: getting eliminated, and I think looking back, like we were

728
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 2: spending like every night, like sleeping the same room together,

729
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 2: like all those like meaningful moments, even like the episode

730
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 2: where Kim gets voted off, like I had like a

731
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 2: mini day where I'm like putting a blindfold on her,

732
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 2: feeding her like chocolates and stuff like that. Like like

733
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 2: there was all these like integral moments to our relationship

734
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 2: that like really built it up. I didn't really see

735
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 2: it at all, but I was excited. I was like,

736
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 2: we need to go back and like hang out with

737
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 2: her I found. I thought I found like the most

738
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 2: amazing person. I was like incredibly excited about our relationship.

739
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 2: So yeah, I couldn't wait to get back to Tampa.

740
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: All right, Well, we can't really touch on where your

741
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: relationship status is now, but I think that really covers everything. Sean,

742
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for taking the time and coming

743
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: on the podcast.

744
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 2: Thanks guys, it's a pleasure talking to you again. I

745
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 2: don't think we'll probably have this conversation again in the

746
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 2: normal setting, but well we'll say probably not.

747
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,120
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748
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749
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