1 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: You're listening to in the Vets Office with doctor Josie Horchak. 2 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 2: Hello everybody, and welcome to in the Vets Office. I 3 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,479 Speaker 2: am your host, doctor Josie, and sadly today my co 4 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 2: host Shannon is out of town, but we have an 5 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 2: amazing fill in for her today. We've got doctor Isabella 6 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 2: Stapanovic here. 7 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: Hello. 8 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 2: Hi, We're so excited to have you. Doctor Isabella is 9 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 2: one of my friends. She's also one of my coworkers 10 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 2: and really one of the best veterinarians I've ever worked with. 11 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 2: So feel so excited to have you here today. 12 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm so excited. 13 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 2: I knew you would be perfect for this because you 14 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 2: have one of the best voices. When I hear you 15 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 2: talking to clients, I'm like, wow, I it's so soothing. 16 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 2: I want you to tell me a bedtime story every night, 17 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 2: like it's just made for podcasting. So I am pomped 18 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 2: to have you here today. 19 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: That's funny because I don't want anyone to hear me 20 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 1: when I talk to clients, so I talk quietly, and 21 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: apparently that's turned into some like well known phone voice 22 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: that I have. Apparently, but it's an accident. I don't 23 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: mean to do it. 24 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 2: I like your phone voice. It kind of gives me 25 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 2: the like Dela I love, like that old radio host. Anyways, 26 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 2: it's amazing. I love it, and I figure to be 27 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 2: really great to bring in another vet today because we're 28 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 2: gonna dive into all things wellness and it's great to 29 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 2: get just like an added perspective. I feel like when 30 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 2: clients come into the clinic they can be overwhelmed with 31 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 2: all of the big words that we use, and like, 32 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 2: what the heck is a leptos borosis vaccine? So I 33 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,199 Speaker 2: thought this would be a great episode to dive into 34 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 2: all those things. But before doing that, we always start 35 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 2: with a case of the week. And doctor Isabella was 36 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 2: internship trained in the emergency room, so we now are 37 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 2: in general practice, but for a good year and a 38 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 2: half she worked in the veterinary, so I figured you 39 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 2: might have some interesting cases for us. 40 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: I do working in the er. I feel like it 41 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: just exposed me to a wide variety of cases, lots 42 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: of trauma to name a few. I saw a dog 43 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: with his leg hanging on by a thread after a lawnmower, right, yeah, 44 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: he was lounging in the yard. Owner didn't know he 45 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: was laying there and just ran him over with the lawnmower. 46 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 2: That is traumatizing. 47 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: Yes, that one was crazy. I've seen venomous snake bites. 48 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: I've accidentally ratted out to a college student who was 49 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: visiting for the summer and the dog suddenly comes in 50 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: with marijuana toxicity. Oh my gosh. But the one case 51 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: that oftentimes like just stands out in my mind that 52 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 1: I think is really important to kind of bring awareness 53 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: to leash safety, yeah dogs, is this one case in 54 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: particular where I saw a dog who was in the 55 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: bed of a truck and she was attached to her leash, 56 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: and her leash was attached to something in the truck 57 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: bed to just make sure she wasn't going to fall out. 58 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: She was having a blast, I'm sure, hair blowing in 59 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 1: the breeze, but something happened. She either fell out or 60 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: jumped out, and she ended up actually being dragged by 61 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,119 Speaker 1: the truck for probably one hundred feet and she came 62 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: in with severe burn wounds all over her body. Wow, 63 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: she did great, but she was hospitalized for a long 64 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: time and it was a long road for her. And 65 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: so I feel like here in Nashville, especially, a lot 66 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: of people live in apartments and we always hear the 67 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: scary stories of like dog in elevator, human outside of elevator, 68 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: leash in between doors closing. So I think just being 69 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: aware of, you know, how close you keep your dog 70 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: on the leash, maybe if they're small enough like Biggie 71 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: and my dog is not small enough, but pick them 72 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: up when you're walking into the elevator, right, because I 73 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: feel like you don't expect that to happen until it 74 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:12,119 Speaker 1: actually does. 75 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely we I one of the episodes I talked 76 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 2: about retractable leashes and like how they're such a nightmare 77 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 2: because your dog is basically walking you. So that's a 78 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 2: really great point, like just having that awareness because they 79 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 2: are attached to a rope and essentially and you don't 80 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 2: know what's going to happen. The other thing, too, is 81 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 2: like I feel like this goes without saying, but we 82 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,239 Speaker 2: see it all the time in the South, especially, don't 83 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 2: put your dogs in the back of a truck bed. 84 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 2: It's so scary, Like put them in the car with you, 85 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 2: and if they are leaning out the window, I really 86 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 2: like for them to be in a seatbelt. We hear 87 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 2: of them jumping out of windows all the time. 88 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: I had a friend's dog just jump right out the window, husky, 89 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: crazy boy. 90 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like people don't realize the veterinary er 91 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 2: is just so intense. I think that's why you're such 92 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 2: a great veterinarian, because you saw all of those crazy cases. 93 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 2: And here in general practice, I'm like, oh my god, 94 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 2: I got shot in the face by anal gla. We 95 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 2: do actually have one funny story from general practice where 96 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 2: I had this patient. He was a rottweiler. I cannot 97 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 2: remember his name. He was so cute and he had 98 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 2: somehow cut his penis, and in reflecting on this podcast, 99 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 2: I say, penis so much and I'm just not sure why. 100 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 2: I guess I have a lot of penis cases. But 101 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 2: either way, he cut his penis and I was he 102 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 2: was coming back in for a recheck. And for those 103 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 2: of you who have curl dogs and don't know, the 104 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 2: male dog penis like lives in a sheath of skin. 105 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 2: The prep use and getting it, like pulling back the 106 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 2: prep use and getting the penis out is like really 107 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 2: a work of art. I mean, it takes some talent. 108 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 2: It's hard. Yeah, it's not always easy. And so we 109 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 2: have him in the back and he's laying on his 110 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 2: side and I am going to like extrude his penis. 111 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 2: My face is like in his crotch. I can't get 112 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 2: it out. I'm like on all fours trying to like 113 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 2: get a good look in there. And at the same time, 114 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 2: Isabella is giving a tour to her sister and soon 115 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 2: to be brother in law, and I don't even like 116 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 2: really process that they're there, but I look up and 117 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 2: I make eye contact with her brother in law and 118 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 2: he's looking at me and he is like ghost white. 119 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 2: His eyes are huge. I'm like holding this about to 120 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 2: pass out. Yeah, he was about to go down. And 121 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 2: so it's funny because afterwards Isabella was like, he looked 122 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 2: at us and he goes, am I next. So Ryan, 123 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 2: this is my apology to you. I'm sorry that you 124 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 2: had to see that, and really just it always makes 125 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 2: me think that like any random bystander coming into the 126 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 2: vet clinic at any given time would just be like 127 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 2: shocked at some of the things we have to do. 128 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 2: And no, you're not next, so don't worry. Hilarious. Okay, 129 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 2: So the next segment that we always do is we'll 130 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 2: take some questions from listeners and so we have two 131 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 2: listener questions this week, so we'll get started with the first. 132 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 3: Hey, doctor Josie, how often should I be giving my 133 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 3: dog a bath? 134 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 2: I've heard that giving him too many baths can dry 135 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 2: out his skin. I can ask this all the time, too, 136 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 2: do you yes, all the time? Especially puppies, Yes, puppies. 137 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 2: I feel like puppies need baths more than adult dogs. 138 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 2: They're like rolling in their own pee and poop. They 139 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 2: are getting into things that they shouldn't. 140 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. 141 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 2: Know, like I do hear about this. We are online 142 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 2: and like, don't bathe too much, they dry out, they 143 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 2: get flaky. I haven't really like people aren't bathing their 144 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 2: dogs that much that that happens for me. So I say, 145 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 2: give them a bath as needed. 146 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, if they visibly look dirty or they smell, 147 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: give them a bath. Otherwise, just like routine grooming. Yeah, 148 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, I agree with that. I probably give 149 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: my dogs a bath. I don't know, maybe like once 150 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: a month or two. 151 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 2: But people really get like locked up on this, and 152 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 2: so I wouldn't be overly concerned. We've never I have 153 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 2: never personally seen anyone dry out their dogs skin from 154 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 2: bathing them too much. 155 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: No, And I'll also recommend if they are gonna be 156 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: bathing frequently at home, to be using like an oatmeal shampoo, 157 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: something that's like really soothing, or even like downdish soap. 158 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 2: If they're really dirty. Yeah, I feel like it doesn't 159 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 2: dry them out as much. Yeah, don cuts through like 160 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 2: the grease and grime. Yeah. And I avoid human shampoos too. 161 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 2: I just feel like that can be a little bit 162 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 2: more like rough on their skin. So I totally agree 163 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 2: oatmeal dog labeled for dogs. Yeah, but most of the 164 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 2: time I just let the groomer take care of it. Yeah, 165 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 2: soothe your dooodle, not me. I'm in the bath of 166 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 2: like wrangling all three of them. I look like a 167 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 2: psycho whatever, All right, next, Hey, I. 168 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 3: Just had a quick question about my dog. He's been 169 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 3: doing this weird thing where it's it's kind of like 170 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 3: a sneeze, kind of like a cough. But let me 171 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 3: try to describe it for you. It's almost like this, 172 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 3: and I'm just wondering. I mean, he gets into fits 173 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 3: while he's doing this, and I have no idea what's happening. 174 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 3: So I guess, is this something I need to be 175 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 3: concerned about? Is this something you've seen before. I would 176 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 3: really like to get more in thanks. 177 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 2: Well, what's the first thing that comes to your mind 178 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 2: when you hear that? 179 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: Definitely reverse sneezing? How about you? 180 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 2: Yes, reverse sneezing. 181 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 1: That question cracks me up because imitating sounds with owners 182 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: is part of our daily routine. Yes, Like, I don't 183 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: know about you, but I'm not afraid to make a 184 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: vomiting sound or a coughing sound or anything like that. 185 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 2: It's honestly hilarious and I love that he imitated it 186 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 2: because it helps us understand. Yeah, so when an owner 187 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 2: comes in and they're like, hey, my dog's coughing, and 188 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 2: I'm like, are they coughing or are they vomiting? Or 189 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 2: are they reverse sneezing? So I will literally be on 190 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 2: the ground with the animal like are they doing this look? 191 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 2: And they're looking at me like, oh, yeah, that's what 192 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 2: it is, and then they'll start imitating it, and the 193 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 2: next thing it knows, we're just like making these crazy 194 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 2: sounds at each other. The dog's looking at us like 195 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 2: you morons. But it's like hard to know what exactly 196 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 2: they're seeing at home without imitating it. 197 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: It really helps us narrow down our differential lists, I 198 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: think if we can like get to one specific sound, 199 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: because some pretty specific, like the reverse sneezing. 200 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, we get asked about reverse kneezing a lot, especially 201 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 2: here at Nashville. I feel like a lot of it 202 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 2: is because it's triggered by allergies and we're in like 203 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 2: the allergy capital of the world. And reverse sneezing in 204 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 2: my own dog. Even my husband hears and he's like, 205 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 2: something's very wrong. I'm like, nope, it's like she's fine, 206 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 2: she'll get over it. But it can be really shocking. 207 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: It's scary. I mean, especially if they go into a 208 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: fit and it sounds like they're not able to breathe. 209 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: I think is what people get stressed about. Yeah, but 210 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: if someone were to send me a video, not even 211 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: bring their dog in, just send me a video of that, 212 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: I would not be concerned. No, usually I don't even 213 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: I don't get concerned unless it's increasing in frequency or severity. 214 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 2: And that's not common, no, very uncommon. And that's another 215 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 2: thing too, is you don't ever think I feel like 216 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 2: as an owner to like whip out your phone and 217 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 2: record what's happening. But if you can record it, then 218 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 2: that's gonna save us a lot of time making crazy 219 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 2: noises at each other in the exam room. 220 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 1: Super helpful, and it might even save you a trip 221 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: to the BG. 222 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, can you do a cough imitation? What do you do? 223 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: Oh? Well, it depends on the call. Like if it's 224 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: like a kennel cough cough, then I'm going. 225 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 2: Like, yeah, a really good one. 226 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: You got to get that end. And that is what 227 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: triggers people to be like, that's exactly what they're doing. 228 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 2: That was a really good one. Amazing. I love that. 229 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 2: Now I figured we can really dive into all things wellness. 230 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 2: I want to keep it simple, but still I feel 231 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 2: like people get informed, and so I thought we would 232 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 2: be good to break it down into two sections. So 233 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 2: I figure the first section, we can just talk about vaccines, 234 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 2: like what in the heck are these vaccines that are 235 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 2: being recommended to me? I feel like we just come 236 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 2: in and we're like they're due for X, Y and Z, 237 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 2: and people are just like okay, yeah, like you say, 238 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 2: so let's do it. But I feel like it's good 239 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 2: to understand why your pet is getting these vaccinations. So 240 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 2: the first, the big one, the big shebang, be like 241 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 2: non negotiable for me is the rabies vaccine. 242 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 1: Definitely. I think most of our clients, if they're gonna 243 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: know any vaccine, it's gonna be the rabies vaccine. 244 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 2: Yes. And the thing for me is that I didn't 245 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 2: realize really until I got to VET school, was like, 246 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 2: rabies is real. You hear about it and you're like, 247 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 2: we don't see that anymore, Like that's from like old Yeller, 248 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 2: like a decade ago, but like it's real. We just 249 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 2: had a case here in Tennessee. And if you con 250 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 2: tract rabies as a human and you don't get treated 251 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 2: right away, like you will die. There is not a cure, 252 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 2: and we see it. 253 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw a case of rabies in the er 254 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: when I was working there. 255 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 2: That's terrifying. 256 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, terrifying. And I also think I guess I didn't 257 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: really understand this until I was like practicing in general 258 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: practice too. But like this vaccine is required by the state. Yes, 259 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: I don't think it's required by all states, but in 260 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: Tennessee it is required for you to vaccinate your dog 261 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: or your cat by six months of age. Yeah, and 262 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: if you don't and they find out, it's a class misdemeanor. 263 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: I don't know that either. So, yeah, it's the law. 264 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 2: It's the law. It's really important. It's a public health risk, 265 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 2: and if you don't do it, like we kind of 266 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 2: have to look like the bad guys. We were like, Okay, 267 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 2: you don't have to. We can't force you into it, 268 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 2: but you have to understand the ramifications of it, and 269 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 2: you have to like sign up a document. So it's 270 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 2: a big deal. What was the case that you saw 271 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 2: in the er that had rabies? 272 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: It was actually rabies. Was not at the top of 273 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: anyone's list thinking this dog had rabies, because again, no 274 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: one actually understands that it's real. This dog came in 275 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:40,719 Speaker 1: for seizures and it was just neurological and in the er, 276 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: like we saw seizures once a day. Yeah, so having 277 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: a dog come in for seizures is not abnormal. So 278 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 1: we kind of just went through the normal protocol of 279 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 1: getting the dog hospitalized, getting them started on seizure meds, 280 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: and along the line, a lot of people came in 281 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: contact with this dog and the dog just wasn't responding 282 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: to any of the seizure meds, which is unusual, especially 283 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: for a dog presenting pro seizures. Right the first time. 284 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: So the neurology service ended up getting involved, and the 285 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: only way to test for rabies, unfortunately in dogs, is 286 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: by testing a piece of their brain tissue, and so 287 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: oftentimes we don't get a diagnosis until they're already deceased. 288 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 2: Just for all of you out there, like, I know, 289 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 2: this is gruesome, but the reality is, like we have 290 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 2: to cut their head off and send it into the lab. 291 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 2: That's how we test for it. So it's not an 292 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 2: easy test. And if there is any suspicion that your 293 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 2: pet has rabies, like that's the way we test for it, 294 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 2: so even more reason to get them vaccinated. 295 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: So this dog ended up being hospitalized for a while, 296 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: coming into contact with a lot of different staff members, 297 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: and then it ended up I think being euthanized because 298 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: it wasn't responding and we found out later that she 299 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: wasn't up to date on her rabies vaccine and so 300 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: she was sent for testing, came back positive, and anyone 301 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: who was in contact with her had to get the 302 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: rabies prophylaxis vaccine treatment, which is intense, inexpensive, very expensive. 303 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think your insurance covers that. 304 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: So very scary, very scary, because I mean, just coming 305 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: into contact with the saliva of a dog who's seizing. 306 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 2: Is very easy, very easy. 307 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: And rabies is transmitted most commonly through bites, but through 308 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: bodily fluids, so very very scary, very real. 309 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 2: Another thing I hear owners say is, oh, well, my 310 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 2: dog doesn't really go outside, and you just had a 311 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 2: case or someone in the hospital had a case last 312 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 2: week of a cat having a bat in its mouth. 313 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: Yep, that got in the house. It wasn't my case, 314 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: but yeah, indoor only cat. So most people will be like, 315 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: why do I need a vaccine my indoor only cat 316 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: for rabies? But the family, I guess solve the cat 317 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: with a live bat in its mouth. 318 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 2: He's like running by, like hey, guys, like what I got? 319 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: And bats are the number one car and carrier of rabies, 320 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: So that cat had to come into the hospital and 321 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: get boostered for its Raby's vaccine, even though it was 322 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: up to date. We boostered them early. Yeah, and then yeah, 323 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: not not only for the safety of the pets, but 324 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: like if you have kids in your home and your 325 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: cat gets Raby's, like you know, it's yeah, you got 326 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: to vaccinate them so that we can be protected. As well, 327 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: because vaccination against rabies and people is not common. 328 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 2: No, really, it's just a suvarians. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we 329 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 2: had to get it in that school. Well, we haven't 330 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 2: convinced you yet. I don't know what will. Okay, The 331 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 2: next vaccine that we the other like big core vaccine 332 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 2: is the distant parvo vaccine. So the distemper virus is 333 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,719 Speaker 2: one thing, parvovirus is another. It's combined into one vaccine 334 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 2: with a few other things, but like those are the 335 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 2: two big ones, and I feel like we don't talk 336 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 2: about distemper a lot. Luckily, we have been vaccining our 337 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 2: pets for a long time against it, so we don't 338 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 2: see it as often. But I do know that we 339 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 2: had a big outbreak of distemper virus, which can do 340 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:28,679 Speaker 2: attack the GI track, the respiratory system, the neuros neurologic system, 341 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 2: and they it's fatal, like nine times out of ten, 342 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 2: they usually don't make it. We had a big outbreak 343 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 2: in Columbus. Isabella and I actually went to Ohio State 344 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 2: for veterinary school, and so there was a big outbreak 345 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 2: there and they had to like all the animals in 346 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 2: the shelter had to be euthanized terrible. 347 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 1: How Yeah, that is scary. I've only seen it one 348 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: time ever. 349 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 2: We had a Wags and Walks dogs that had it too, 350 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 2: though I thought that. 351 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: Was very vague symptoms. We would never think right that 352 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: dog was POSSI differ distemper. Yea, It's kind of like 353 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: Rabi's like we've vaccinated well enough for it that it's 354 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,360 Speaker 1: not super common, but it still happens. 355 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 2: It does. And parvo parvo virus carvo is so bad. 356 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: Parvo is still a thing. Yes, super super super contagious virus. 357 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 2: It's crazy to me that it lasts in the environment 358 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 2: for so long, so they don't even have to come 359 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 2: into contact with each other. Like the dog that's infected 360 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 2: can go to the bathroom on the ground and then 361 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 2: that virus will live in the environment for a very 362 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 2: long time years. Yeah, yours. 363 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I usually tell my puppy owners. Obviously. I think 364 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: most people know not to socialize them with strange dogs 365 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: before they're fully vaccinated, but even a step beyond that, 366 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: like don't take them to a place where other dogs 367 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: are commonly using the bathroom just because you never know. 368 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, and if they get parvo virus, they get very 369 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 2: very very sick. You're looking at like a massive medical bill. 370 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 2: They're going to be hospitalized for days, sometimes weeks, and 371 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,360 Speaker 2: even then they may not make it. It is very serious. 372 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very serious and often, I mean, just like 373 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: many viruses, we're just treating their symptoms. There's not like 374 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: a pure, one and done cure. But yeah, it's thousands 375 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 1: of dollars in the er if it comes to that. 376 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 2: Well, onto the next thing. This is my favorite ones. 377 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 2: I feel like people don't know about this. The name's 378 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 2: cool and there's a lot of interesting facts about it. 379 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 2: It's called lepto sporrosis. This is one where depending on 380 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 2: where you live, it may not be necessary. I came 381 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 2: from Chicago. We definitely saw it there, and really I 382 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,719 Speaker 2: feel like it's becoming more prevalent. So if you have 383 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 2: any questions in your pet isn't up to date on it, 384 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 2: I would ask your veterinarian, what are your thoughts on lepto. 385 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: I so lepto is it's considered a lifestyle vaccine, which 386 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: basically is what doctor Josie just described, So it may 387 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: not be recommended for everyone. Here in Nashville. I mean, 388 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: we consider it pretty much a core I am recommending 389 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 1: it to every puppy I see because we have lepto here. 390 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: So it's a bacterial disease that is spread in water 391 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: by wildlife rodents. And so if your dog and just 392 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: a contaminated water source, which I also tell people can 393 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,199 Speaker 1: be a puddle in the city. New York City has 394 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: lepto for all their rats. 395 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 2: In Sawa, Chicago rats running around. 396 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 1: So even if they're not like swimming in ponds or lakes, like, 397 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: they can still get it living in a city, and 398 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: if they do, it can cause really severe kidney and 399 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: liver damage and failure. And then the most important part 400 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: of this disease, like Rabi's, is that it can be 401 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: transmitted to humans through their urine. 402 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 2: So one of the nurses we work with, her old 403 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 2: doctor that she her old veterinarian that she worked with 404 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 2: lost to kidney. She contracted leptosporosis from one of her patients. 405 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: And that is scary. Yes, usually I find that I'll 406 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 1: go through this whole spiel with my clients and as 407 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: soon as I say they can give it to you, 408 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 1: they're like absolutely not vaccinated. 409 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, because it's scary. 410 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: It is, and with of course like children, I feel like, 411 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: because really the route that you would get that is 412 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: if you're touching their urine and like put your fingers 413 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: in your mouth or touch your eyeball. Yeah, and kids 414 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: don't know any better, no, So those are the people 415 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: who are going to be like really at risk. 416 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, people don't realize. This is such an interesting point 417 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 2: that as veterinarians, we're really taught in school about what 418 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 2: our pets can carry that can affect humans. So a 419 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 2: lot of what we do is like public health risks 420 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 2: and mitigating those, and so you know, when these diseases 421 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 2: are zoonotic, meaning humans can get them from animals, it's 422 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 2: really our job to educate people on that, and like 423 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:58,479 Speaker 2: we do a good job at that. 424 00:21:58,560 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: I think so too. 425 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 2: Here we are just slave in the world, one lipto 426 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 2: vaccine at a time. Okay, next, bord to Tella. This 427 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 2: one always gets me because I'll be like, you guys 428 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 2: need to get bored to Tella and they're like, yeah, 429 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 2: but my. 430 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 1: Dog doesn't bored yes all the time. 431 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 2: Yes, And I'm like, well, bored of Tella is actually 432 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 2: of a bacteria that causes kennel cough. Has nothing to 433 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 2: do with boarding and it's super important. It's very contagious. 434 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 2: Dogs go nose to nose or they cough droplets into 435 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 2: the air and then any one, any dog in that 436 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,120 Speaker 2: area can contract it super easily. 437 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: And same with lepto. It's also a lifestyle vaccine, so 438 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: a lot of clients are like, we don't need that. 439 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: My dog isn't social with other dogs. But again in Nashville, 440 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 1: everyone has dogs. Everyone's living in apartments. I've had multiple 441 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: cases recently of dogs who are not social, but they're 442 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: walking around their apartment complex, could have sniffed an area where. 443 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 2: A dog just coughed, or go to the groomer exactly 444 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 2: groomer someone was in there infected beforehand. And so it's 445 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 2: I feel like the one vaccine that's like the most 446 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 2: tolerated by dogs. 447 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: It's super easy on them. We use the oral versions. 448 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: We just squirt it in their mouth. It's not even 449 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: a poke. 450 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 2: They love it. It's like chicken flavored. They're like, this 451 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 2: is awesome. 452 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: They love it, so you might as well just be 453 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: covered for it because it's so easy. It's once a year. 454 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: You don't have to booster it for a year. 455 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 2: And we see a lot of kennel cough in Nashville 456 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 2: a lot. Chicago, we saw a lot. Anywhere there's a 457 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 2: lot of dogs, you will there will be outbreaks, yep. 458 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 1: And I mean a lot of people in Nashville. I 459 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: feel like they leave for the holidays or spring break 460 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 1: and they board their dogs and then there's like another surge. 461 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like that mystery respiratory illness that was 462 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 2: going around. I think probably that was linked to influenza, 463 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 2: which brings us to our next vaccine. And a big 464 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 2: thing that is interesting for owners to learn is kennel 465 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 2: cough is like this broad umbrella and then there's so 466 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 2: many things that fall into it, so bored, totella, plasma, influenza, 467 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 2: all these different things that cause the symptoms of kemel 468 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 2: cough and influenzas. Our last vaccine we're going to touch on, 469 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 2: which is also lifestyle. And I feel like people hear 470 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 2: that and they're like, oh, well, I don't get the 471 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 2: flu shot for myself. Why would I do that for 472 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 2: my dog? And I feel like it's a little bit different. 473 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 2: I mean, obviously it's an influenza virus, but it's different 474 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 2: than it is in humans. 475 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, this one I do. It's definitely a little more 476 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: lifestyle for me. Like bordetella. Everyone should be getting bored totella, 477 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 1: but influenza. If your dog is going to dog parks, daycare, boarding, 478 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: or grooming, do it. They should get influenza too. 479 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, and one's a scary too, because it's not a bacteria, 480 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 2: So when they are sick with it, we give them. 481 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 2: Typically we can give an antibiotic for bordetella, but in 482 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 2: the case of influenza, they don't typically respond to antibiotics 483 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 2: and they can get really sick, really sick. 484 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, you were in Chicago for that big influenza. 485 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, we were seeing there were so many pets 486 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 2: that were sick and contagious that we were seeing them 487 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 2: in the parking lot, just one after the other. We 488 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 2: didn't even bring them into the building because we didn't 489 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 2: want them to be in close proximity. That's scary. First school, 490 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 2: I was still in that school, baby, Laura. My armpits 491 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 2: were sweat and it was awful. I was so scared. Yeah, 492 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 2: it was really, it was crazy. It was Yeah, it 493 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,719 Speaker 2: was like six months in. But yeah, I mean, if 494 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 2: your dog's social, just get it. It's better than the 495 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 2: alternative of them not getting boostered and then they end 496 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 2: up with influenza. 497 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, and a lot of places in Nashville are actually 498 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: requiring the influenza vaccine as one of their vaccine requirements 499 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: for boarding or for daycare. 500 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 2: So think that's smart. 501 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: If you're planning on boarding your dog or taking them 502 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 1: to get to daycare, I would definitely find out their requirements. 503 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: It's a two shot series, so you have to give 504 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: yourself ample amount of time. 505 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. People come in like, I need the flu shot today, 506 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 2: I'm boarding tomorrow. I'm like, well, it takes it takes 507 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,120 Speaker 2: two shots for them to be fully up to date, 508 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 2: So give yourself a month. Okay. I feel like that 509 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 2: really covers most of the vaccines, the big ones, and 510 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 2: then that really leads us just to the one other 511 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 2: big area of preventative wellness that I feel like we 512 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 2: talk about on a daily basis, which is prevention flea tick, 513 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 2: heartworm prevention. Without a doubt, I think heartworm is the 514 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 2: most important. 515 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: Definitely, And yeah, we super important in the South. We 516 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: were just talking recently about how up in the Midwest, 517 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 1: I feel like we just didn't dedicate a whole lot 518 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: of our bed school curriculum to this disease. Yeah, it 519 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,479 Speaker 1: just isn't as common up there. The winters are cold, 520 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: but we. 521 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 2: Do still see it up there, but not as much. 522 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: It's changing too with the with the weather changing and everything, 523 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: they're starting to move a little bit more north. But 524 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: in the South, heartworm disease is so bad and it 525 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 1: is fatal if it is untreated. So heartworm disease is 526 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: a parasitic disease. So it is a parasite that dogs 527 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: get from being bitten by an infected mosquito. 528 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 2: So that always shocks owners when they hear that, Like 529 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 2: I had no idea. 530 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: Yep. So any dog, even if they're sitting on your balcony, 531 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: but they don't really go outside very much, they can 532 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: get heartworm diseased. Fortunately, it's very rare in cats, but 533 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: it is very common in dogs. And then I always 534 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:38,439 Speaker 1: tell people too that in the name, it's literally a 535 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 1: worm like it looks like a piece of spaghetti. When 536 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 1: it's a full adult worm, it's me the ebgb's creepy, 537 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 1: and they live in the heart and the lung structures 538 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: of dogs who are infected, and so as you can 539 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: imagine having giant, long spaghetti worms in your heart doesn't go, well, yeah, 540 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: your heart's not gonna pump very well. 541 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 2: No, not at all. 542 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 1: So, yeah, clinical signs that we see. 543 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, coughing, they can be sometimes a lot of times 544 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 2: the dogs that we see here in the South are 545 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 2: asymptomatic will catch it kind of early and they may 546 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 2: not be showing any signs at all. And really that's 547 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 2: why we recommend doing an annual heart room test every 548 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 2: single year to make sure that they don't have it. 549 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 2: If they do have it, we want to be treating it. 550 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 2: And I do have a lot of owners are like, well, 551 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 2: my dog's never missed a month of prevention, why am 552 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,199 Speaker 2: I running this heartroom test? And what we are finding 553 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 2: more and more of is dogs or the heartworms are 554 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 2: developing resistance to some of the heartworm medications out there. 555 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 2: So even though you have your pet on prevention, not 556 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 2: all of them are as effective as others. And so 557 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 2: there's always the chance that yes, you have your pet 558 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 2: on prevention, but they have still gotten infected. 559 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: Yep. And if we test them and they test positive, 560 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: it's not the end of the world. 561 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 2: No, it's not. 562 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: There is a treatment for it. 563 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 2: Yes, it sucks, albeit expensive, Yep, it's painful, and it sucks. 564 00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 2: It's painful for the dog. 565 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: And they have to and the treatment itself comes with 566 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,959 Speaker 1: some side effects. They can have really bad reactions if 567 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: we don't do it appropriately, so it's not a fun treatment. 568 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: It's over the course of like six months. But if 569 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: we catch it early enough, before any damage has been done, then. 570 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 2: Oh, we're so angry. Hey, think you want to come 571 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 2: back up here, buddy. Oh monkey's barking at him. And 572 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 2: but he's barking at monkey monkey. 573 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: That's a good girl. 574 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, she's said. Now, she's perfect. 575 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: I think I was saying. If we catch it early 576 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: enough and there's no there hasn't been any damage to 577 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: their heart and lungs yet, at that point, then we 578 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: can treat them, we can cure them, and they will 579 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: live a happy, normal life. 580 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 2: It is like a solid year though, of having to 581 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 2: keep them activity restricted. And most of the dogs are 582 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 2: like young and healthy and want to run around, and 583 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 2: you have to keep them in a crate for almost 584 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 2: a year, We'll say, because if they're too active, they 585 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 2: can die of a lot of complications with their heart. 586 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's terrible. So heartworm disease really bad. 587 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I just saw TikTok the other day about 588 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 2: how heartworm is made up and it's a scam and 589 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 2: it's just a way for veterinarians to make more money. 590 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 2: And I was like, why I ought to ouch a lie? 591 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 2: I know, And so that's not true for all of 592 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 2: you have had TikTokers out there. It's real, it's very real. 593 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: We wouldn't be promoting anything that we wouldn't do to 594 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: our own dogs. 595 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 2: No, No. And honestly, prevention nowadays has gotten so much 596 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 2: easier to give. Like it's a you can do a 597 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 2: once monthly that does lease ticks heart rooms all in one. 598 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 2: It's a beef flavored two. Biggie's pumped about it. He's like, 599 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 2: this is a treat. 600 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, she gets so excited. 601 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 2: He loves heartworm Day. 602 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: And we prescribe those options, like the chewable options very 603 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: frequently and I can't remember the last time I had 604 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: a client tell me their dog didn't eat it. 605 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 2: No, they like it, they love it. Yeah, so that's 606 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 2: a great day of the month for your pet. And 607 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 2: then also if you forget to give it, which this 608 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 2: is a judge free zone. I can barely remember to 609 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 2: brush my teeth sometimes, so if you can't remember to 610 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 2: give your dog heartworm prevention. We do have injectable too, 611 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 2: where it can last for up to a year and 612 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 2: then you don't have to worry about giving it. 613 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: And any owners who have dogs with like seize your 614 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: history and they're really, really, really scared to put their 615 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: pets on certain prevention options. I feel like the injectable 616 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: form is really helpful, So there are options for those 617 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: dogs too. 618 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 2: There are one other thing to note that I see 619 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 2: a lot in practice is people wanting to do like 620 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 2: a holistic approach, like something with garlic. People think garlic 621 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 2: can prevent it. I think is one of them. And 622 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 2: do you think that's okay? Do you think that that's 623 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 2: for ticks? And then sometimes I wonder if that came 624 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 2: from vampires. 625 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: Are vampires supposed to be afraid of me? 626 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, garlic and. 627 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: Ticks suck your blood. 628 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 2: Maybe maybe I'm just here to tell you it doesn't work. 629 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 2: I wish it did. If it did, I'd be giving 630 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 2: Biggie some garlic every day. He would love it. But 631 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 2: it just it doesn't work. And a lot of the 632 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 2: over the counter options that you can get at the 633 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 2: pet store also don't work great, And so still come 634 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 2: in with fleas, yeah, all the time. 635 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: Also, something that's really important if you are going to 636 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: get an over the counter product for like a flea 637 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: spot on thing for your cat, which I don't recommend, 638 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 1: you should see your vet if your cat has fleas, 639 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: but you have to make sure that it's labeled for cats, 640 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: because cats have really bad reactions to the flea products 641 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: that are labeled for dogs. 642 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it can be life threatening, really bad. They also 643 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 2: can get like crazy wild bald patches on their back 644 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 2: from those spot drengthen. Yeah, just like that's a cosmetic issue. 645 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 2: The hair grows back, that's the end of the world. 646 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 2: Though usually can't resurrect them though if they take the 647 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 2: bad drugs. So I feel like that is like a 648 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 2: fairly comprehensive like main prevention vaccines, heartworm prevention, get them 649 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 2: tested once a year. And then of course there's other 650 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 2: things too, but those are like the big ones. Not 651 00:32:55,720 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 2: to overwhelm everybody, all right, Well, moving right along, we 652 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 2: this is doctor Isabella's first paw and order, so we'll 653 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 2: jump right in. We've got paw and order, all right. 654 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 2: First on the docket is as a veterinarian, I would 655 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 2: never declaw my cats. We hear this, you know, people 656 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 2: wanting to do this all the time, and in theory 657 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, just take their claws out, no big deal. 658 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 2: But in reality it is actually a pretty gruesome procedure 659 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 2: where we have to disarticulate that joint, so basically amputating 660 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 2: if you think of it like your finger, the very 661 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 2: last part of your finger. We amputate that entire joint, 662 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 2: and if it's not done very very very well, they 663 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 2: can get like lifelong arthritis and complications. And even if 664 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 2: it is done well, like it just as a little barbaric. 665 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 2: So there's a lot of other great options out there. 666 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 2: If your cat is scratching things that they shouldn't be, 667 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 2: get a scratch post, get feel away, get soft paws, 668 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 2: which are like these really cute little cute gel nails 669 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:11,919 Speaker 2: you can put on your cat. I love them. They're 670 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 2: so cute. So rather than jumping to amputating all ten 671 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 2: of your cat's fingers, there's a lot of great alternatives. 672 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 1: I will never forget. I was volunteering this was before 673 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: at school at a clinic and they declawed a cat 674 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 1: and the cat was hospitalized at the general practice overnight 675 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 1: with like bandages on and stuff, and we came in 676 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,359 Speaker 1: the next morning and it ripped its bandages off and 677 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,800 Speaker 1: it looked like I am murder scene. There was blood 678 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: spewed everywhere because of I mean, like it's it's a 679 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 1: lot of trauma to a lot those joints. 680 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 2: So it's illegal now in Europe. Is in Australia, like 681 00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,320 Speaker 2: a lot of countries have outlawed. 682 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, there might be some states. 683 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 2: Yes, illegal to New Jersey, Yeah, has made it illegal. 684 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 2: Still legal hair in Tennessee, but I don't recommend do 685 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 2: not all right. Next up, doctor, is. 686 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 1: I, personally, coming from a doodle owner, would never attempt 687 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 1: to cut my own dog's hair. And I say that 688 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:25,319 Speaker 1: because we see so many pets, dogs and cats who 689 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 1: come in when their owners tried to groom them at home. 690 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,919 Speaker 1: And I've seen a cat whose owner tried to cut 691 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 1: their hair with clippers and just like clip their skin 692 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 1: right off, like there was a giant chuok of skin missing. 693 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 1: And then dogs commonly they have like this little extra 694 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 1: like flap of skin kind of in their groin and 695 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: that inevitably always gets cut with scissors. 696 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 2: I see that like ten times a year always. 697 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the ears too, and the ears bleed a lot, 698 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 1: so it would just be better off to let the 699 00:35:58,480 --> 00:35:59,839 Speaker 1: groomers handle that. 700 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 2: I know it's tempting, like I love, I'm like a 701 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 2: pimple popper. I want to cut their eyebrows, like I 702 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,439 Speaker 2: want to just do all the things, but like leave 703 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 2: it to the professionals. We see so many wounds, and 704 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 2: you feel and the owners feel so guilty, so bad. 705 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,279 Speaker 1: Worst, and the money that you could have just put 706 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 1: towards the grooming is now like being spent at the 707 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 1: vet for wound care. And it's just yeah, I would 708 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: just rather rather let the groomer handle it. 709 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 2: For the doodle owners out there that people that want 710 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 2: to get doodles, how often do you get monkey groomed? 711 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,320 Speaker 1: I get monkey groom probably every once every three months. 712 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 2: Okay, but that being said, that's impressive. 713 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:42,720 Speaker 1: Like we are my husband and I are psychopaths, and 714 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 1: we never want them to shave her, and so we 715 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,799 Speaker 1: get her book for her groomer, and then like the 716 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 1: three days before her groom happens, we are spent like 717 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 1: religiously brushing her out and getting out all of her mats, 718 00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,360 Speaker 1: so we're basically doing half the work. And then the 719 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 1: groomer takes her and cuts her hair. 720 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,839 Speaker 2: Otherwise they come looking like a naked hule rat. 721 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 1: They can, yeah, they can look herny. 722 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:10,880 Speaker 2: People are so sad and like you got to do 723 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:11,279 Speaker 2: the work. 724 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, it takes a lot of work. Like 725 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: we'll oftentimes we'll bathe her and brush out all of 726 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: her mats, like two days before her groom I love 727 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 1: that monkey. 728 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 2: You're a lucky girl. He's out of here. Okay, next 729 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 2: on the docket. I would never have two few litter 730 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 2: boxes in a house of multiple cats, even one cat. 731 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 2: We learned invet school the rule of however many cats 732 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 2: you have plus one is how many litter boxes you 733 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 2: should have. And we see so many cats that will 734 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 2: go to the bathroom outside of the litter box or 735 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,919 Speaker 2: like in their parents closet because they just don't have 736 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 2: like they're very, very particular creatures. And so if you 737 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 2: have two cats, you need three litter boxes. If you 738 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,840 Speaker 2: have three cats, you need four litter boxes. And just 739 00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 2: kind of like planning that in your head if you 740 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 2: adopt multiple cats. 741 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: My clients are so surprised by that when I tell them, like, 742 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 1: if you have one cat, you should have two litter boxes. 743 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,319 Speaker 1: And you got to give them options because, like you said, 744 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 1: they're like very particular and if one litter box has 745 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 1: one piece of poop in it, they won't go They're 746 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:21,880 Speaker 1: not going to go in it. They're going to look 747 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 1: for the other one that's clean. So you got to 748 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,840 Speaker 1: have options for them. They're like our divas. Yes, I 749 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:32,279 Speaker 1: love it, and they will do anything to let you 750 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,400 Speaker 1: know that. They are spiteful. They will pee on your work, 751 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,240 Speaker 1: they will pee on your bedding. 752 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,839 Speaker 2: Cat py the smell of cat py, it just does 753 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 2: not go away easily. So No, they did do a 754 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 2: big study where they wanted to find out what kind 755 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 2: of litter cats prefer. And obviously every cat is an 756 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,360 Speaker 2: individual and it may be different for your cat, but 757 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 2: the overwhelming majority of cats prefer unscented, non clumping litter. 758 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,400 Speaker 2: I thought that was interesting, very interesting. 759 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 1: I feel like people. I mean, that's probably like the 760 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: cheapest bottom of the rack. Yeah litter, and a lot 761 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,399 Speaker 1: of clients go for the really good expensive. 762 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,320 Speaker 2: And they're like spink, pink, sparkley litter now organic. 763 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and cats don't like that. 764 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 2: No, they don't care this one. Like they love sandboxes. 765 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 2: If you have a sandbox in your yard like that's 766 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 2: their jam, So. 767 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 1: Keep it simple. 768 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,040 Speaker 2: Keep it simple, and you'll save some money and your 769 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 2: cat will be happy and your house won't smell like 770 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:31,640 Speaker 2: cat be all right, Well, thanks for coming in, Doctor Isabella, Like, 771 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 2: this was awesome. We get this is like a Bogo 772 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,719 Speaker 2: buy one, get one veterinarian podcast. 773 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 1: Well, I feel like I learned everything from you. 774 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,759 Speaker 2: Also, that's not true. I've learned so much from you. 775 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 2: So thanks for coming in and going over all the 776 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,279 Speaker 2: wellness things with us. Thanks for bringing sweet Monkey in. 777 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,239 Speaker 2: This is a Doctor Isabella's Golden doodle. By the way, 778 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 2: we didn't even give you an introduction. That was so rude. 779 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 2: And then for all of you listeners out there, please 780 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,319 Speaker 2: rate and review us wherever you listen to your podcasts. 781 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 2: Feel free to reach out to me on Instagram with 782 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:13,320 Speaker 2: any of your questions Doctor Josie Vett and any questions, feedback, reviews. 783 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,600 Speaker 2: We love to hear it all. We'll talk to you soon, 784 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:37,640 Speaker 2: see you next week.