WEBVTT - Crashing the (Democratic) Party 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:08.520 Mh. You are listening to Waiting on Reparations production of 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:12.920 I Heart Radio. Yo, Yo Yo, what's up? What's up? 0:00:13.000 --> 0:00:19.880 What's this dope? Knife? And we are waiting on reparations 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:23.160 any day now? Right? What are you waiting for? It's 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:27.479 my question, listeners, what are you waiting for? I know 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:30.200 the people in California were waiting, and they even got 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:35.360 themselves the reparations task Force that came out. They actually 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:37.720 made a decision that there. I think they made a 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:41.320 decision in Kelly for their Reparation task Force. It was like, uh, 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:45.400 they're going to limit it only to the sentence of 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:48.240 like free black persons, or hold on, let me find 0:00:48.280 --> 0:00:52.440 it and get the actual California's this is per the APS, 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:58.080 California's first in nation task force on reparations, voted Thursday 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:01.600 to limit the state compensation to the sentence of free 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:04.760 and enslaved black people who were in the US in 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:09.240 the nineteenth century, narrowly rejecting a proposal to include all 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:15.039 black people, regardless of lineage split five four, and the 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:18.840 hours long debate was at times testing emotional. Near the end, 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:21.640 well yeah, for sure, what do you think about that? 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:24.600 I think that's it? I'd love to see their methodology 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:28.000 for for determining lineage, because that's the tricky part of 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:30.959 that's like people, I mean other than like, oh, we 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:32.840 shouldn't have to pay for the sins of our cast 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:35.480 kind of ship, people are like, well, how do we 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:38.600 determine who gets it? That's why, like in my work, 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:42.480 because like the like slavery, wasn't it like continually well 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:46.040 was like extracted from black people through over exploitation to 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:48.520 the literal theft of land as we've talked about previously 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:55.880 on the show. Um and so thinking reparations to things 0:01:55.880 --> 0:02:00.000 that we do can find the receipts for a little easier, 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:06.680 like you know, when land is taken from people lynchings, um, etcetera, etcetera, 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:08.720 because like there receipts on that are in your like 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:12.840 in your local like libraries, archives and should So, I 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:15.000 mean that's interesting. I definitely want to learn more about 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:18.560 how they are going about determining you know, that kind 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:21.280 of thing, because that's just like tool me the missing piece, 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:24.160 and in like the call for reparations, well, I think 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:26.799 a lot of you know sometimes in these this like 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:31.040 modern error and stuff like that, especially you know when 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:35.079 you like add him like the the like neoliberals sort 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:37.200 of like view of it and stuff. I think we 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:41.200 sometimes lose sight and forget that. It's like the purpose 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:47.000 of things like slavery and Jim Crow, like there was 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:50.080 a like an economic purpose for it, you know what 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:53.440 I mean, like the purpose the purpose wasn't the purpose 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:58.480 wasn't necessarily like racism for the sake of racism was 0:02:58.360 --> 0:02:59.760 it was like you know, there was there was like 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:02.840 sism for like an econot with an economic goal like 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:06.000 in mind and ship like that. So the wealth that 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:10.320 was abstracted, like I don't even I can't even imagine 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:14.000 like how you would even quantify it to like actually 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:17.840 come up with like a proper estimation how much needs 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:19.720 to be repaired. I guess you know what I mean. 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:24.400 But a columnist economists have calculated it previously. In fact, 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:26.480 I could probably I've written on it a little bit. 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:29.440 I could probably pull it up in a second. Um 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:33.600 like calculated the amount of wealth that was taken from 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:37.960 you know, slaves in terms of labor unpaid labor. Um 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:44.560 hold on Hamilton with the Institute. Do you why you're 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:48.720 looking for it? Do you think that UM determinations like this. 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:50.600 Do you think that they are a cop out or 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:53.400 do you think they're like a way out of repaying 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:55.400 or do you think of these are like necessary steps 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:57.120 and things that need to be figured out when you're 0:03:57.120 --> 0:04:00.000 going about stuff like this. I mean definitely in my experience, 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:03.600 and some like fighting for reparations, Like I found it 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:06.520 interesting that like the descendants, the folks from whom like 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:10.360 wealth was taken, like they asked for very specific things, 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:12.520 and so many mentioned this like task force. I think 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:17.120 like task forcing, like um issues, is like a way 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:22.640 of filtering black demands through like white supremacist mechanisms, like 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:25.600 because like the government was like founded and mostly run 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:30.359 by white people like historically, and so like, oh, well, 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:32.440 you know, we hear you, we hear what you're asking for, 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:34.520 but let's do it our way as a means of 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:38.240 becoming comfortable with the outcomes and not just like doing 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:40.679 what people have asked you to do. Granted, in our case, 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:44.640 like you know, state law constrains us in various ways, 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:47.560 so having an input of lawyers, etcetera like unnecessary, and 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:49.000 I'm su it was true of this case. But the 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:52.039 fact that like we need are like white attorneys to 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:55.240 like say it's okay. We need you know, these white 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:58.239 voices involved in the process rather than just like listening 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:02.600 and doing. You know. That's another thing component of a 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:05.279 lot of this work of just like the task forceszation 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:10.680 of of black demands and task forces acting as like 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:13.560 a sieve through which they are strained. It seems like 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:16.240 they stay wanting to make task force and committees that 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:19.640 gotta look at some ship for like fifteen years before 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:23.440 they can make a decision whether it's I get it. It 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:28.120 It requires like careful deliberation and consideration, but like according 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:31.440 to whose rules, like you know, like who is setting 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:34.320 up the task force? And why is it? Because that 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:36.920 is it is? Is this a way? I mean, that's 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:39.120 I've often seen it as a way to delay action 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:43.400 also like almost well you know, sign into a committee 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:45.080 and that way you can sort of like pass the 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:49.920 buck on it. Think I think we've talked about that before. Yeah, 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:53.880 you said you did something, you didn't do nothing. Yeah, Well, 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:56.520 I mean, y'all know, y'all know how y'all can always 0:05:56.520 --> 0:06:00.640 help us with the reparations. Speaking of you, speaking of 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:03.040 I'm getting ready to go on the road right now, 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:06.440 and I know you just got off the road, Yo, 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:11.440 what is good with these gas prices? Yo? This ship 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:16.640 is insane man an X and be making up record profits, 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:20.560 always funking all this talking inflation and like, oh we're 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:24.200 gonna to raise prices when like CEOs or just yaught 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:29.640 after yacht, just big yacht ladies and gentlemen. If if 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:34.320 you like of venmo At dope knife, if you want 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:36.800 to hear help with the dope knife, go onto our 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:41.000 gas fund, dope knife. Hit him up, get get it started, 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:45.040 get those refarations started. I was doing people like I 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:47.400 was doing some little like rap commissions to like help 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:52.839 fund my chi yeah, like ten bucks. Alright, actually this one, dude, 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:54.560 this one, and I think it's like a history teacher 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:57.279 like middle school or some ship commissioned me to do 0:06:57.320 --> 0:06:59.080 a we actually now we have to do an episode 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:01.440 on this because I did not know of this. UM. 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:05.400 I'll rap about um finale through now like Union versus 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:09.120 Coca Cola then alleging that like Coca Cola hired like 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:13.200 right wing paramilitaries to kill the union organizers. I think 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:16.760 it was in Columbia. So I wrote a little rap 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:19.320 about that. Yeah, you know what, I'm gonna put that 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:20.720 at the end of the show this week. I'm gonna 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:25.440 I'll let y'all hear my rap about a yeah organizers 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:28.400 in Columbia. I like the idea about that. Yeah, if 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:30.720 you yeah, if you send me, if you send me 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:33.400 something on Vemo, just like in the note, just like 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:36.560 say what you want your your custom wrap on, and 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:39.240 I'll start working on those. I like that idea. That's 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:42.520 so what we got what we got today, remar So 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:45.600 today we're going to be joined by my friend and 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:49.120 it seemed, colleague John Jackson. He is the chairman of 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:53.560 the Decap County Democratic Committee. As folks who may have 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:57.720 followed the runoff elections recall um to CAP was very 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:02.120 instrumental in bringing home the wind for or President Pye. 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:04.560 And and so we're gonna talk to him a little 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:07.280 bit today about his political journey, what he sees as 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:10.840 necessary solutions for the freedom of black people. A lot 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:14.480 of them talk about now, you know, economic freedom. Economic well, 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:16.280 you know, it relates to what we've been talking about here, 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:20.680 because economic anxieties are so tied to racism. Like you know, 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:25.560 the humanization of black and brown people is mostly to 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:29.720 like help create the conditions for capital accumulation for white people. 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:33.280 And so we get a little bit into um economic 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:37.319 justice as as you know, a critical step in ensuring 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:39.400 the full freedom of black people. So we're gonna talk 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:41.360 about a lot about that, Talk a little bit about 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:44.160 the Grammys, talk a little bit about Amazon. Let's get 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:54.240 into it. We'll be right back. Today. We are joined 0:08:54.280 --> 0:09:00.960 by John Jackson, the esteemed John Jackson, CEO chairman, no 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:05.920 chairman of the Decab County Democrats, mover and shaker out 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:09.000 here in Georgia, Democratic politics, but and beyond and beyond, 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:12.040 we're gonna get into a little bit about from where 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:16.280 we all stand with regards to the Democratic Party these days, etcetera, etcetera. 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:19.800 Getting some news and stuff. But first, John, how are 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:23.600 you today? I'm doing I'm doing great. I'm blessed, less 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:26.600 be here, less to be breathing. It's been the highlight 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:29.080 of your week so far. It's Monday. But sad to 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:33.439 be something something so far. Well, you know, I'm I 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:36.199 been in physical therapy for some injuries and I'm getting 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:38.760 a lot stronger, getting a lot better, and i think 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:41.920 I'm about to be way better than I was before. Uh, 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:44.960 you know, just just feeling good, feeling better than I 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:47.800 have in the past couples. It's beautiful. I'm so happy 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:51.760 to hear that. Yeah, so I guess I guess at 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:54.480 this point we kind of got like a somewhat of 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:57.840 a loose format for how we start these but yeah, look, yeah, 0:09:57.880 --> 0:09:59.720 I mean, if you want to start out, just tell 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:01.559 us a little bit about yourself. How do you get 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:04.880 into what you're doing today, what you're doing these days? Also, 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:07.880 like your professional life is very interesting. I don't know 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:11.000 if you want to speak on that at all, but yeah, 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:16.920 I'm about full disclosure here. Tell our listeners, like, who 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:19.120 who are you? Like? What do you do? My name 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:21.800 is John Jackson. I'm the chairman of the cab County 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:24.880 Democratic Committee. Uh why did the regard it just one 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:28.920 of the strongest county parties in the country. Uh. In 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:34.880 my day job, I am a consultant um for big 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:39.360 companies and that's how I pay my bills. I don't 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:45.160 love it just you talking. But I was like, is 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:47.960 this like passion? I'm not gonna do what if it was, 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:51.040 But it's just it's kind of like I haven't found 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:54.880 anything yet that affect can pay my bills. So I'm like, Okay, well, 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:58.000 I'm just gonna kind of figure I'm just gonna kind 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:02.520 of do this and until I can find something that 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:08.400 is something I love and and uh, something that also 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:11.240 pays the bills. You know. I'm I'm I'm almost thirty 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:13.000 eight years old, still figuring out what I want to 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:16.640 be when I grow up. So so now I'm really interested. Now, Okay, 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:19.960 So okay, So when you were so, what is it 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:22.560 that you would want to do if you could like choose, 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:31.359 if you like, if it was up to me. Um, honestly, 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:36.120 and I'm already beginning to do some of this, I 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:40.840 wouldn't I wouldn't uh depend on really anybody, you know. 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:44.400 And I've already gone in a neural direction, but I 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:46.160 want to take that on for gual direction, in a 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:52.640 different direction where I can uh you know, really you know, 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:57.280 help people, but also uh, you know, pay my bills. 0:11:57.320 --> 0:11:59.440 It's kind of it's kind of hard to have that 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:03.400 bounce time of being able to really change the world 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:06.079 but also pay bills. So it's it's tough. Yeah, you 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:09.640 gotta sometimes you gotta choose. I changed the world, but 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:14.840 you also got change. I see what I heard you 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:19.800 there heard? Yeah, crap. It's like, you know, I mean, 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:21.960 when I was growing up, I wanted to be an 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:27.240 MTV VJ, like on Total plus five, and they canceled that. 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:29.080 So I was like, man, I gotta come up with 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:32.440 a new career plan. And I've done a lot of 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:35.960 different stuff in life, but I'm still figuring it out. 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:38.839 You could say, but that doesn't bother me. I haven't. 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:42.760 I'm still I still consider myself purpose driven, even though 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:50.160 I haven't found something that pays the bills that I'm passing. Yeah. No, 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:56.040 I definitely know the feeling sometimes, but it's like you 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:59.079 just have to keep you just have to keep working 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:02.080 at it, you know, like it things like that, I 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:06.920 guess they kind of you can pursue it, or you 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:09.080 can do the things that you know are necessary to 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:11.160 get there and you know what I mean, and and 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:14.080 let the chips fall where they would where they will. 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:16.800 I guess I definitely identify with that a lot, because 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:18.720 people ask me all the time, so what's you what's 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:20.439 your next move? And I'm like, I don't fucking know. 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:25.040 First of all, like my job security, it's very very precarious. 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:27.400 As an elected critical I mean, I could be here, 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:29.880 I could be gone in another four years and just 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:33.880 embracing that and all having to like pursue like hypothetical 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:38.000 other directions with it. But also, I mean the other 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:40.600 thing is that if you're trying to get ahead financially 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:42.160 in this world, you can't be staying in the same 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:46.079 job for like for our you know our parents generation name, 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:49.800 same job thirty forty years, right. But like I just 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:52.000 had a friend and without the Oakland you know, he 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:55.520 does it and stuff, and like the university is working 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:57.560 at they would not pay him what he deserved. He 0:13:57.559 --> 0:13:59.440 had to go or he had to move across the 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:01.920 country to get prey when he was working. And so 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:05.400 there's an inherent in the way that like labor exportation works, 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:08.840 which we don't get into a little bit today. I think, um, 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:12.640 like you just the transition, the hustle, the cycles are 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:15.080 it's just it's just a part of it now that 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:18.760 we kind of realized how disposable people find us, and 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:22.520 then trying to find your passion amidst the groin and 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:25.080 all that. So I feel that, but I'll make a 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:31.120 displainmer though the very folks who I signed contracts with, 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:35.480 who may be signed my paychecks. Sometimes I have no 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:39.880 issue speaking out against those institutions and saying those institutions 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:45.160 are corrupt, those institutions discriminate against people who look like us, uh, 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:50.520 and those institutions are a big part of of of 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:54.120 just injustice in this country. And so you know, at 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:59.160 the same time, I am we live in a capitalist 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:04.040 system where if you opt out, you're you're not You 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:06.480 don't have a lot of options, but maybe live off land. 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:08.000 I don't. I don't have a bunch of land I 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:11.080 can live off of right now. So you know, I'm 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:13.680 kind of having to opt in. But at the same time, 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:16.920 I'm never gonna be so deep in or I never 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:21.200 hoped to be so deep in where if like horrible 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:26.960 craft is happening, I can't use my voice and mobilize 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:32.480 against that and support leaders who uh, I want to 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:36.320 change that that system. So you trying to name names 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:40.280 and other companies, companies that you work for or that 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:43.080 you that you have worked for, or maybe me. I 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:47.720 won't say whether or not I've done work for Wells Fargo, 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:51.640 but I think that Wells Fargo is in general a 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:55.120 shitty institution. And you know, they might call me tomorrow 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:58.200 for a six month engagement and they don't care that 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:00.640 I might have said that because the bottom line. It's 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:03.960 such the bottom line. They will say, Oh, we hired 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:07.040 a guy four in a six month contract, criticized this 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:14.360 on a podcast We're open lining. That's such an interesting 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:16.720 insight because it really is about the bottom line for them. 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:18.680 It's like, I don't care what you tell I don't 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:21.080 care what you did. It's like we're talking the last episode, 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:25.320 like if they would overturn Citizens United and in insider 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:27.880 trading in Congress, they could be you know, on the 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:31.280 bank bus on the weekend or whatever, like everybody, I 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:33.960 don't care because give us the good. And that's kind 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:37.280 of like the opposite of talable farther like I don't care. 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:39.040 I don't care what you do when you are a 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:44.640 free time or whatever. Yeah, it's like, as long as 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:48.200 we're meeting the shareholder objective, John, you can say fuck 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:54.280 you to our CEO, Like I don't bring him into 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:57.240 the office. Let's let them stay it right since their face. Yeah, 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:00.880 what's so like it's obviously now like it definitely seems 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:05.040 like you have a certain piece that you found, like 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:09.240 doing that to pay the bills. While your beliefs in 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:12.040 your passions might may lie other word other where. But 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:17.440 if I listen, I've worked on a lot of political 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:20.600 campaigns and I have been involved in politics a lot. 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:23.199 If money was driving my politics, and I wouldn't be 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:27.840 very progressive. So it's kind of like I have compartmentalizing, 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:31.960 like Okay, I'm gonna use capitalism for making money, but 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:35.920 I'm gonna let my politics be my politics. Bes And 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:41.400 there's some consultants out there who can, you know, make 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:45.280 good money in the political game and remain true to themselves, 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:50.960 but there's a lot who can't. Yeah, yeah, And people 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:53.399 try to pull on you like, oh, I see you 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:58.600 tweeting criticism about well targo from your iPhone made in China, 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:01.920 like you know, like we live out here, like you 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:07.800 gotta make make money. That's like the usual conservative like 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:11.760 criticism of like Hollywood celebrities and stuff. It's like they're 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:16.560 telling you about saving the whales, but they fly on 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:23.199 private jets like to it where like everyone working folks, 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:26.600 Like I'll let y'all, I'll let everybody down here slide 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:29.600 because like this is hard out here if you can 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:31.720 afford to be. If you were skating around on a 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:34.520 yacht and accidentally chopping whales up with your rudder or 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:39.800 whatever riches hill. I'm not gonna. I don't vibe with 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:50.200 that as much. First boats myself anyway, kayak. Yeah, I'm 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:52.320 scared of water. I like, I like. I like boats 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:55.720 where I could cast my fishing rod from y'alls are 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:58.560 a little big for that, you know. I don't think 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:04.119 I've ever I've never been fishing. Fishing before. Fishing is 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:08.080 a unit saw flashes in my opinion. I think it's 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:12.640 a It's the activity of the proletariat globally, and I 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:16.400 think that uh, you know, everyone on the food chain 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:22.800 eats fish, including fish. Wow, I have my mind blown 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:28.359 over here. Yeah, we have. So we've talked a little 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:31.720 bit about seeing divergence between your politics and what you 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:33.639 do for money, which I think we could all seek too, 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:35.879 because we all live, like you said, and this is right. 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:39.280 Let's get into like your politics particularly. I want to 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:41.359 start with your journey to where you currently are a 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:44.560 police because the chairman of the the Cab County Democrats, 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:48.639 you know, the Cab County for like Biden uh in 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:51.240 the last and the presidential election of points twenty. But 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:54.120 here you are somewhat I would say, you know, based 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:57.680 on my understanding of both the national and like statewide 0:19:57.760 --> 0:20:01.880 political context, a little more less working. Yeah, average every 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:06.240 day chairman of the of the local club Democratic commit 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:08.800 So how would you get a new journey to where 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:12.240 you are today? It really wasn't supposed to happen. Um. 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:16.480 It took years of organizing, years and years and years 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:21.480 of grass was organizing to where the old guard of 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:25.400 the Democratic Party in the KEB and its supporters were 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:29.520 outnumbered by new people. And these new people might have 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:35.560 been mostly maybe affluent, moderate neoliberal types, but they were 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:41.000 so yearning to win that they were willing to elect 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:48.880 a very outspoken kind of leftists our revolution endorsed person 0:20:49.960 --> 0:20:52.480 as the chair because they wanted to win there, Like 0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:56.840 John's gonna put in a hundred percent, He's gonna make 0:20:56.840 --> 0:21:01.560 sure that we're funded, that we just get it right. 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:04.720 And I think that's what it came down to, was 0:21:04.800 --> 0:21:08.879 between me and an old system where we weren't turning 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:17.119 out voters. Uh in this county that's non white and 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:21.800 very democratic, and just turning the county out can make 0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:25.360 a difference and whether the state goes blue or I'm 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:28.639 telling the people that all the time, like whoever shows 0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:32.960 up and shows up with like demonstrable conviction, like will 0:21:33.000 --> 0:21:35.520 went a lot of the time among folks that don't 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:39.239 have very strong, like ideological commitments and they're like, oh, 0:21:39.320 --> 0:21:42.920 I'm love winning or whatever like out here, Like I see, 0:21:42.960 --> 0:21:45.880 I was going people like rock with Republicans that they 0:21:45.920 --> 0:21:48.720 don't agree ideologically only anything. But like those are the 0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:51.639 folks that show up and like make promises and becoming 0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:55.000 it okay, And but but like with conviction, like yo, 0:21:55.080 --> 0:21:57.800 I'm here for you I should so I mean, yeah, 0:21:57.840 --> 0:21:59.560 that's cool that she was able to get in there 0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:02.240 to show that conviction con of takeover. So how was 0:22:02.320 --> 0:22:07.000 your um leadership in the on the county committee sort 0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:10.520 of shifted? I don't know, but yeah, some of those 0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:13.320 policy commitments because like turning voters out is important. But 0:22:13.440 --> 0:22:15.320 like you know, if you all have a local platform, 0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:19.040 and how is your how is your policies that the 0:22:19.119 --> 0:22:23.560 things have gotten interesting? Um, you know, everybody who's on 0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:27.360 the current exact team is somebody I asked to run 0:22:27.400 --> 0:22:31.760 except one person. Uh So it's it's a board that 0:22:31.880 --> 0:22:35.679 was largely encourage you know, put there by myself. I 0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:39.600 mean the voters of the committee voted the men, but 0:22:39.680 --> 0:22:42.439 they were folks who've been running with me on this 0:22:42.560 --> 0:22:46.480 grassroots journey, and we've done some things that are unpressent. 0:22:46.720 --> 0:22:51.960 We centered Burning Jones, um who as someone in the 0:22:52.000 --> 0:22:57.480 old party in the Cab County, uh never never held accountable. 0:22:57.520 --> 0:23:01.560 And this was a guy who endorsed your w Bush. 0:23:01.800 --> 0:23:04.320 And for the listeners who might not be familiar with 0:23:04.320 --> 0:23:06.720 Georgia policy, as much can you explained to Vernon Jones, 0:23:07.560 --> 0:23:11.760 Vernon Jones made national news. He's a as as being 0:23:11.800 --> 0:23:19.160 a state rap black man who endorsed Trump in and 0:23:19.560 --> 0:23:24.359 we almost immediately censured him, and we got behind his 0:23:24.400 --> 0:23:27.359 primary opponent. Wasn't he had to stop the steal stuff 0:23:27.960 --> 0:23:33.919 he was? He was definitely was that because y'all have 0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:37.080 to see that photo of him, like crowds Okay, the 0:23:37.440 --> 0:23:46.600 hell no? What was? Oh god? So we've got a 0:23:46.640 --> 0:23:50.800 lot of unprecedented things like that. We endorsed and a 0:23:50.960 --> 0:23:53.119 race and I mean it's for race where it was 0:23:53.160 --> 0:24:00.439 two Democrats running because one candidate was uh just aligned 0:24:00.440 --> 0:24:03.440 with our values. It was an unpresident moved. We fought 0:24:03.480 --> 0:24:07.040 the state party on it. So I think when you 0:24:07.080 --> 0:24:11.080 have leadership that shows courage, the whole committee kind of 0:24:11.119 --> 0:24:14.880 follows behind you. Like we we removed an elections board 0:24:14.960 --> 0:24:19.200 chair who had been there twenty five years. We've really 0:24:19.320 --> 0:24:21.879 we've reformed the Board of Elections of the Cab County 0:24:22.440 --> 0:24:29.240 through our activism. And um, I think that uh it, 0:24:29.880 --> 0:24:32.600 when you show courage, when you show that you're willing 0:24:32.600 --> 0:24:36.359 to roll up your sleeves, you're not here just to 0:24:36.480 --> 0:24:42.680 be seen, it really inspires others who are following you 0:24:42.800 --> 0:24:46.080 to kind of do the work. And it makes my 0:24:46.160 --> 0:24:50.879 job so easy because I have so many folks on 0:24:50.960 --> 0:24:55.720 this in this county party who are just anxious to 0:24:55.760 --> 0:24:59.160