1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: Mh. You are listening to Waiting on Reparations production of 2 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. Yo, Yo Yo, what's up? What's up? 3 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: What's this dope? Knife? And we are waiting on reparations 4 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: any day now? Right? What are you waiting for? It's 5 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 1: my question, listeners, what are you waiting for? I know 6 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: the people in California were waiting, and they even got 7 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: themselves the reparations task Force that came out. They actually 8 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: made a decision that there. I think they made a 9 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: decision in Kelly for their Reparation task Force. It was like, uh, 10 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: they're going to limit it only to the sentence of 11 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: like free black persons, or hold on, let me find 12 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: it and get the actual California's this is per the APS, 13 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: California's first in nation task force on reparations, voted Thursday 14 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: to limit the state compensation to the sentence of free 15 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: and enslaved black people who were in the US in 16 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: the nineteenth century, narrowly rejecting a proposal to include all 17 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: black people, regardless of lineage split five four, and the 18 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: hours long debate was at times testing emotional. Near the end, 19 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: well yeah, for sure, what do you think about that? 20 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: I think that's it? I'd love to see their methodology 21 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: for for determining lineage, because that's the tricky part of 22 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 1: that's like people, I mean other than like, oh, we 23 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: shouldn't have to pay for the sins of our cast 24 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: kind of ship, people are like, well, how do we 25 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: determine who gets it? That's why, like in my work, 26 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: because like the like slavery, wasn't it like continually well 27 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: was like extracted from black people through over exploitation to 28 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: the literal theft of land as we've talked about previously 29 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: on the show. Um and so thinking reparations to things 30 00:01:55,880 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: that we do can find the receipts for a little easier, 31 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: like you know, when land is taken from people lynchings, um, etcetera, etcetera, 32 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: because like there receipts on that are in your like 33 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: in your local like libraries, archives and should So, I 34 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: mean that's interesting. I definitely want to learn more about 35 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: how they are going about determining you know, that kind 36 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: of thing, because that's just like tool me the missing piece, 37 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: and in like the call for reparations, well, I think 38 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 1: a lot of you know sometimes in these this like 39 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: modern error and stuff like that, especially you know when 40 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 1: you like add him like the the like neoliberals sort 41 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: of like view of it and stuff. I think we 42 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: sometimes lose sight and forget that. It's like the purpose 43 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: of things like slavery and Jim Crow, like there was 44 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: a like an economic purpose for it, you know what 45 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: I mean, like the purpose the purpose wasn't the purpose 46 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily like racism for the sake of racism was 47 00:02:58,360 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: it was like you know, there was there was like 48 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: sism for like an econot with an economic goal like 49 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: in mind and ship like that. So the wealth that 50 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: was abstracted, like I don't even I can't even imagine 51 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: like how you would even quantify it to like actually 52 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: come up with like a proper estimation how much needs 53 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: to be repaired. I guess you know what I mean. 54 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: But a columnist economists have calculated it previously. In fact, 55 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: I could probably I've written on it a little bit. 56 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: I could probably pull it up in a second. Um 57 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: like calculated the amount of wealth that was taken from 58 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: you know, slaves in terms of labor unpaid labor. Um 59 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: hold on Hamilton with the Institute. Do you why you're 60 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: looking for it? Do you think that UM determinations like this. 61 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: Do you think that they are a cop out or 62 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: do you think they're like a way out of repaying 63 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: or do you think of these are like necessary steps 64 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: and things that need to be figured out when you're 65 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: going about stuff like this. I mean definitely in my experience, 66 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: and some like fighting for reparations, Like I found it 67 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: interesting that like the descendants, the folks from whom like 68 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: wealth was taken, like they asked for very specific things, 69 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: and so many mentioned this like task force. I think 70 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: like task forcing, like um issues, is like a way 71 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: of filtering black demands through like white supremacist mechanisms, like 72 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 1: because like the government was like founded and mostly run 73 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 1: by white people like historically, and so like, oh, well, 74 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: you know, we hear you, we hear what you're asking for, 75 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: but let's do it our way as a means of 76 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: becoming comfortable with the outcomes and not just like doing 77 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,679 Speaker 1: what people have asked you to do. Granted, in our case, 78 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: like you know, state law constrains us in various ways, 79 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: so having an input of lawyers, etcetera like unnecessary, and 80 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: I'm su it was true of this case. But the 81 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 1: fact that like we need are like white attorneys to 82 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: like say it's okay. We need you know, these white 83 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,239 Speaker 1: voices involved in the process rather than just like listening 84 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: and doing. You know. That's another thing component of a 85 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: lot of this work of just like the task forceszation 86 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: of of black demands and task forces acting as like 87 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: a sieve through which they are strained. It seems like 88 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: they stay wanting to make task force and committees that 89 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: gotta look at some ship for like fifteen years before 90 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: they can make a decision whether it's I get it. It 91 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: It requires like careful deliberation and consideration, but like according 92 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: to whose rules, like you know, like who is setting 93 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: up the task force? And why is it? Because that 94 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: is it is? Is this a way? I mean, that's 95 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: I've often seen it as a way to delay action 96 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: also like almost well you know, sign into a committee 97 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: and that way you can sort of like pass the 98 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: buck on it. Think I think we've talked about that before. Yeah, 99 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: you said you did something, you didn't do nothing. Yeah, Well, 100 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: I mean, y'all know, y'all know how y'all can always 101 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: help us with the reparations. Speaking of you, speaking of 102 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: I'm getting ready to go on the road right now, 103 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: and I know you just got off the road, Yo, 104 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: what is good with these gas prices? Yo? This ship 105 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: is insane man an X and be making up record profits, 106 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: always funking all this talking inflation and like, oh we're 107 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: gonna to raise prices when like CEOs or just yaught 108 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: after yacht, just big yacht ladies and gentlemen. If if 109 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: you like of venmo At dope knife, if you want 110 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: to hear help with the dope knife, go onto our 111 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: gas fund, dope knife. Hit him up, get get it started, 112 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 1: get those refarations started. I was doing people like I 113 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: was doing some little like rap commissions to like help 114 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: fund my chi yeah, like ten bucks. Alright, actually this one, dude, 115 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: this one, and I think it's like a history teacher 116 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 1: like middle school or some ship commissioned me to do 117 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: a we actually now we have to do an episode 118 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: on this because I did not know of this. UM. 119 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: I'll rap about um finale through now like Union versus 120 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: Coca Cola then alleging that like Coca Cola hired like 121 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: right wing paramilitaries to kill the union organizers. I think 122 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: it was in Columbia. So I wrote a little rap 123 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, you know what, I'm gonna put that 124 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: at the end of the show this week. I'm gonna 125 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: I'll let y'all hear my rap about a yeah organizers 126 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: in Columbia. I like the idea about that. Yeah, if 127 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: you yeah, if you send me, if you send me 128 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: something on Vemo, just like in the note, just like 129 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: say what you want your your custom wrap on, and 130 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: I'll start working on those. I like that idea. That's 131 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: so what we got what we got today, remar So 132 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: today we're going to be joined by my friend and 133 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: it seemed, colleague John Jackson. He is the chairman of 134 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: the Decap County Democratic Committee. As folks who may have 135 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: followed the runoff elections recall um to CAP was very 136 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: instrumental in bringing home the wind for or President Pye. 137 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: And and so we're gonna talk to him a little 138 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: bit today about his political journey, what he sees as 139 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: necessary solutions for the freedom of black people. A lot 140 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: of them talk about now, you know, economic freedom. Economic well, 141 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: you know, it relates to what we've been talking about here, 142 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: because economic anxieties are so tied to racism. Like you know, 143 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: the humanization of black and brown people is mostly to 144 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: like help create the conditions for capital accumulation for white people. 145 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: And so we get a little bit into um economic 146 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 1: justice as as you know, a critical step in ensuring 147 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: the full freedom of black people. So we're gonna talk 148 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: about a lot about that, Talk a little bit about 149 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: the Grammys, talk a little bit about Amazon. Let's get 150 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: into it. We'll be right back. Today. We are joined 151 00:08:54,280 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: by John Jackson, the esteemed John Jackson, CEO chairman, no 152 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: chairman of the Decab County Democrats, mover and shaker out 153 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: here in Georgia, Democratic politics, but and beyond and beyond, 154 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: we're gonna get into a little bit about from where 155 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: we all stand with regards to the Democratic Party these days, etcetera, etcetera. 156 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: Getting some news and stuff. But first, John, how are 157 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: you today? I'm doing I'm doing great. I'm blessed, less 158 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: be here, less to be breathing. It's been the highlight 159 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: of your week so far. It's Monday. But sad to 160 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 1: be something something so far. Well, you know, I'm I 161 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,199 Speaker 1: been in physical therapy for some injuries and I'm getting 162 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: a lot stronger, getting a lot better, and i think 163 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: I'm about to be way better than I was before. Uh, 164 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: you know, just just feeling good, feeling better than I 165 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: have in the past couples. It's beautiful. I'm so happy 166 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: to hear that. Yeah, so I guess I guess at 167 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: this point we kind of got like a somewhat of 168 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: a loose format for how we start these but yeah, look, yeah, 169 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: I mean, if you want to start out, just tell 170 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 1: us a little bit about yourself. How do you get 171 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: into what you're doing today, what you're doing these days? Also, 172 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: like your professional life is very interesting. I don't know 173 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: if you want to speak on that at all, but yeah, 174 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: I'm about full disclosure here. Tell our listeners, like, who 175 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: who are you? Like? What do you do? My name 176 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: is John Jackson. I'm the chairman of the cab County 177 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: Democratic Committee. Uh why did the regard it just one 178 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: of the strongest county parties in the country. Uh. In 179 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: my day job, I am a consultant um for big 180 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: companies and that's how I pay my bills. I don't 181 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: love it just you talking. But I was like, is 182 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: this like passion? I'm not gonna do what if it was, 183 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: But it's just it's kind of like I haven't found 184 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: anything yet that affect can pay my bills. So I'm like, Okay, well, 185 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna kind of figure I'm just gonna kind 186 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: of do this and until I can find something that 187 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: is something I love and and uh, something that also 188 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: pays the bills. You know. I'm I'm I'm almost thirty 189 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: eight years old, still figuring out what I want to 190 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: be when I grow up. So so now I'm really interested. Now, Okay, 191 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: So okay, So when you were so, what is it 192 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: that you would want to do if you could like choose, 193 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:31,359 Speaker 1: if you like, if it was up to me. Um, honestly, 194 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: and I'm already beginning to do some of this, I 195 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: wouldn't I wouldn't uh depend on really anybody, you know. 196 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: And I've already gone in a neural direction, but I 197 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: want to take that on for gual direction, in a 198 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: different direction where I can uh you know, really you know, 199 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: help people, but also uh, you know, pay my bills. 200 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: It's kind of it's kind of hard to have that 201 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: bounce time of being able to really change the world 202 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 1: but also pay bills. So it's it's tough. Yeah, you 203 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: gotta sometimes you gotta choose. I changed the world, but 204 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: you also got change. I see what I heard you 205 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: there heard? Yeah, crap. It's like, you know, I mean, 206 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: when I was growing up, I wanted to be an 207 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: MTV VJ, like on Total plus five, and they canceled that. 208 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: So I was like, man, I gotta come up with 209 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: a new career plan. And I've done a lot of 210 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: different stuff in life, but I'm still figuring it out. 211 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,839 Speaker 1: You could say, but that doesn't bother me. I haven't. 212 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: I'm still I still consider myself purpose driven, even though 213 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: I haven't found something that pays the bills that I'm passing. Yeah. No, 214 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: I definitely know the feeling sometimes, but it's like you 215 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 1: just have to keep you just have to keep working 216 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: at it, you know, like it things like that, I 217 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: guess they kind of you can pursue it, or you 218 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: can do the things that you know are necessary to 219 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: get there and you know what I mean, and and 220 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 1: let the chips fall where they would where they will. 221 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: I guess I definitely identify with that a lot, because 222 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: people ask me all the time, so what's you what's 223 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 1: your next move? And I'm like, I don't fucking know. 224 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: First of all, like my job security, it's very very precarious. 225 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: As an elected critical I mean, I could be here, 226 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: I could be gone in another four years and just 227 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: embracing that and all having to like pursue like hypothetical 228 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: other directions with it. But also, I mean the other 229 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: thing is that if you're trying to get ahead financially 230 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: in this world, you can't be staying in the same 231 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 1: job for like for our you know our parents generation name, 232 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: same job thirty forty years, right. But like I just 233 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: had a friend and without the Oakland you know, he 234 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: does it and stuff, and like the university is working 235 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: at they would not pay him what he deserved. He 236 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: had to go or he had to move across the 237 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: country to get prey when he was working. And so 238 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: there's an inherent in the way that like labor exportation works, 239 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: which we don't get into a little bit today. I think, um, 240 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: like you just the transition, the hustle, the cycles are 241 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: it's just it's just a part of it now that 242 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: we kind of realized how disposable people find us, and 243 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: then trying to find your passion amidst the groin and 244 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: all that. So I feel that, but I'll make a 245 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: displainmer though the very folks who I signed contracts with, 246 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: who may be signed my paychecks. Sometimes I have no 247 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: issue speaking out against those institutions and saying those institutions 248 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: are corrupt, those institutions discriminate against people who look like us, uh, 249 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: and those institutions are a big part of of of 250 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: just injustice in this country. And so you know, at 251 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: the same time, I am we live in a capitalist 252 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: system where if you opt out, you're you're not You 253 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: don't have a lot of options, but maybe live off land. 254 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have a bunch of land I 255 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: can live off of right now. So you know, I'm 256 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: kind of having to opt in. But at the same time, 257 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: I'm never gonna be so deep in or I never 258 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: hoped to be so deep in where if like horrible 259 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: craft is happening, I can't use my voice and mobilize 260 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: against that and support leaders who uh, I want to 261 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: change that that system. So you trying to name names 262 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: and other companies, companies that you work for or that 263 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: you that you have worked for, or maybe me. I 264 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: won't say whether or not I've done work for Wells Fargo, 265 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: but I think that Wells Fargo is in general a 266 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: shitty institution. And you know, they might call me tomorrow 267 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: for a six month engagement and they don't care that 268 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: I might have said that because the bottom line. It's 269 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: such the bottom line. They will say, Oh, we hired 270 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: a guy four in a six month contract, criticized this 271 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: on a podcast We're open lining. That's such an interesting 272 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: insight because it really is about the bottom line for them. 273 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: It's like, I don't care what you tell I don't 274 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: care what you did. It's like we're talking the last episode, 275 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: like if they would overturn Citizens United and in insider 276 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: trading in Congress, they could be you know, on the 277 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: bank bus on the weekend or whatever, like everybody, I 278 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: don't care because give us the good. And that's kind 279 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: of like the opposite of talable farther like I don't care. 280 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: I don't care what you do when you are a 281 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: free time or whatever. Yeah, it's like, as long as 282 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: we're meeting the shareholder objective, John, you can say fuck 283 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: you to our CEO, Like I don't bring him into 284 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: the office. Let's let them stay it right since their face. Yeah, 285 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: what's so like it's obviously now like it definitely seems 286 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: like you have a certain piece that you found, like 287 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: doing that to pay the bills. While your beliefs in 288 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: your passions might may lie other word other where. But 289 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 1: if I listen, I've worked on a lot of political 290 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: campaigns and I have been involved in politics a lot. 291 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,199 Speaker 1: If money was driving my politics, and I wouldn't be 292 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: very progressive. So it's kind of like I have compartmentalizing, 293 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: like Okay, I'm gonna use capitalism for making money, but 294 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna let my politics be my politics. Bes And 295 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 1: there's some consultants out there who can, you know, make 296 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: good money in the political game and remain true to themselves, 297 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: but there's a lot who can't. Yeah, yeah, And people 298 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 1: try to pull on you like, oh, I see you 299 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: tweeting criticism about well targo from your iPhone made in China, 300 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 1: like you know, like we live out here, like you 301 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: gotta make make money. That's like the usual conservative like 302 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: criticism of like Hollywood celebrities and stuff. It's like they're 303 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: telling you about saving the whales, but they fly on 304 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:23,199 Speaker 1: private jets like to it where like everyone working folks, 305 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: Like I'll let y'all, I'll let everybody down here slide 306 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: because like this is hard out here if you can 307 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: afford to be. If you were skating around on a 308 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: yacht and accidentally chopping whales up with your rudder or 309 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: whatever riches hill. I'm not gonna. I don't vibe with 310 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: that as much. First boats myself anyway, kayak. Yeah, I'm 311 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: scared of water. I like, I like. I like boats 312 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: where I could cast my fishing rod from y'alls are 313 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: a little big for that, you know. I don't think 314 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: I've ever I've never been fishing. Fishing before. Fishing is 315 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: a unit saw flashes in my opinion. I think it's 316 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:12,640 Speaker 1: a It's the activity of the proletariat globally, and I 317 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 1: think that uh, you know, everyone on the food chain 318 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: eats fish, including fish. Wow, I have my mind blown 319 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: over here. Yeah, we have. So we've talked a little 320 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: bit about seeing divergence between your politics and what you 321 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 1: do for money, which I think we could all seek too, 322 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 1: because we all live, like you said, and this is right. 323 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: Let's get into like your politics particularly. I want to 324 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 1: start with your journey to where you currently are a 325 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: police because the chairman of the the Cab County Democrats, 326 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 1: you know, the Cab County for like Biden uh in 327 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: the last and the presidential election of points twenty. But 328 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 1: here you are somewhat I would say, you know, based 329 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 1: on my understanding of both the national and like statewide 330 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 1: political context, a little more less working. Yeah, average every 331 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: day chairman of the of the local club Democratic commit 332 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: So how would you get a new journey to where 333 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: you are today? It really wasn't supposed to happen. Um. 334 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: It took years of organizing, years and years and years 335 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: of grass was organizing to where the old guard of 336 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 1: the Democratic Party in the KEB and its supporters were 337 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: outnumbered by new people. And these new people might have 338 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: been mostly maybe affluent, moderate neoliberal types, but they were 339 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: so yearning to win that they were willing to elect 340 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 1: a very outspoken kind of leftists our revolution endorsed person 341 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: as the chair because they wanted to win there, Like 342 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: John's gonna put in a hundred percent, He's gonna make 343 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: sure that we're funded, that we just get it right. 344 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: And I think that's what it came down to, was 345 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: between me and an old system where we weren't turning 346 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 1: out voters. Uh in this county that's non white and 347 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: very democratic, and just turning the county out can make 348 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 1: a difference and whether the state goes blue or I'm 349 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: telling the people that all the time, like whoever shows 350 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: up and shows up with like demonstrable conviction, like will 351 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: went a lot of the time among folks that don't 352 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:39,239 Speaker 1: have very strong, like ideological commitments and they're like, oh, 353 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 1: I'm love winning or whatever like out here, Like I see, 354 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 1: I was going people like rock with Republicans that they 355 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: don't agree ideologically only anything. But like those are the 356 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 1: folks that show up and like make promises and becoming 357 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: it okay, And but but like with conviction, like yo, 358 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: I'm here for you I should so I mean, yeah, 359 00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: that's cool that she was able to get in there 360 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: to show that conviction con of takeover. So how was 361 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: your um leadership in the on the county committee sort 362 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: of shifted? I don't know, but yeah, some of those 363 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: policy commitments because like turning voters out is important. But 364 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: like you know, if you all have a local platform, 365 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: and how is your how is your policies that the 366 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: things have gotten interesting? Um, you know, everybody who's on 367 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,360 Speaker 1: the current exact team is somebody I asked to run 368 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: except one person. Uh So it's it's a board that 369 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 1: was largely encourage you know, put there by myself. I 370 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: mean the voters of the committee voted the men, but 371 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 1: they were folks who've been running with me on this 372 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: grassroots journey, and we've done some things that are unpressent. 373 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: We centered Burning Jones, um who as someone in the 374 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: old party in the Cab County, uh never never held accountable. 375 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: And this was a guy who endorsed your w Bush. 376 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: And for the listeners who might not be familiar with 377 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: Georgia policy, as much can you explained to Vernon Jones, 378 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: Vernon Jones made national news. He's a as as being 379 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 1: a state rap black man who endorsed Trump in and 380 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: we almost immediately censured him, and we got behind his 381 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: primary opponent. Wasn't he had to stop the steal stuff 382 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 1: he was? He was definitely was that because y'all have 383 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: to see that photo of him, like crowds Okay, the 384 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: hell no? What was? Oh god? So we've got a 385 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: lot of unprecedented things like that. We endorsed and a 386 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 1: race and I mean it's for race where it was 387 00:23:53,160 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 1: two Democrats running because one candidate was uh just aligned 388 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 1: with our values. It was an unpresident moved. We fought 389 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: the state party on it. So I think when you 390 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: have leadership that shows courage, the whole committee kind of 391 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 1: follows behind you. Like we we removed an elections board 392 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: chair who had been there twenty five years. We've really 393 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: we've reformed the Board of Elections of the Cab County 394 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: through our activism. And um, I think that uh it, 395 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: when you show courage, when you show that you're willing 396 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: to roll up your sleeves, you're not here just to 397 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: be seen, it really inspires others who are following you 398 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: to kind of do the work. And it makes my 399 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 1: job so easy because I have so many folks on 400 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: this in this county party who are just anxious to 401 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 1: do the work, and it's just my job to make 402 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: sure that they have all the resources they need and 403 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 1: that they're they're you know, they're ready to go, that 404 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 1: we're ready to go. So, um, is it is it 405 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 1: like more of a situation where like there's a bunch 406 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: of different circumstances that are just right and the you know, 407 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: just and then the right amount of hard work that 408 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: makes you guys successful there or is this something that 409 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 1: can be duplicated other places in Georgia or even Nationalwie. 410 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this, we have some socio economic advantages 411 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: that other counties don't, and so it's harder to organize 412 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: the Clayton County because it's more working class. And so 413 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 1: the more working class of place gets, the less people 414 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: have time to volunteer. And so county party organizations are 415 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:50,360 Speaker 1: and basically political organizations in general are built off of volunteers. 416 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: And so you the more of a working class area 417 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: you're in, the more your money you're gonna need to raise, 418 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: because you've gotta be able to pay folks. Working class 419 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: people don't have time to give up a Saturday. They 420 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: can't give up a Saturday. They can't. And it is 421 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 1: people of economic privilege, uh, suburban nights, suburban moms who 422 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: are generally the ones who have the time to put 423 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: in all these volunteer hours. Uh, suburban moms of economic means. 424 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 1: It's not it's not your ones, it's not your single 425 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 1: suburban moms on a uh lower middle class sellary mm hm. 426 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: And so the Cab County has a lot of that 427 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: class of people to mobilize a more working class set 428 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 1: up you whereas you may grow out and get the 429 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: other folks in call right, yeah, to talk a little 430 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: bit about earlier about like you've been able to do 431 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 1: some pretty unprecedented things as through this transformation of your 432 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: local party. I'm including being a little more discerning about 433 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: what candidates you get behind, etcetera. Um, so, what sorts 434 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: of blue? I think this is an entryway and discussing 435 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: like policies that animate your political imagination in the work 436 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,719 Speaker 1: that you do. So, um like what sorts of like? 437 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: You know what, how do we get free? In your opinion, 438 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: what sorts of policies we need to begin behind and 439 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,360 Speaker 1: ideally to getting behind the candidates that we can run. 440 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: I don't know if we're there yet everywhere, but in 441 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 1: a place like the Cap County maybe, So we still 442 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 1: have trapped of falling into these cults of personalities revolving 443 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 1: around our skin color. And uh, it could be a 444 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: charming black man, it could be like an Obama, it 445 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: could be a black girl, magic politician, but a lot 446 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: of them still have the same antiquated politics of people 447 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: who don't look like us. And so real leadership would 448 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 1: be exciting the people about things that are going to 449 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: benefit us. Um you know, I think so. So in 450 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,199 Speaker 1: Metro Atlanta we have a lot of problems with this. 451 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 1: So we had we have Benette County has their first 452 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: African American woman, d A but she's pushing real hard 453 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: to prosecute all marijuana crimes. Is that is that black 454 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: girl magic? If you're taking away um, you know, maybe 455 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,199 Speaker 1: half of an income of of of of a of 456 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: a black family household because you know they're in jail, 457 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 1: that's not That's not black girl magic. And I'm just 458 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 1: kind of like, we have to we have to. Uh. 459 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: That's why I think the discourse between black progressives and 460 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: black neo liberals is incredibly important. In the Cap County, 461 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: UM Commissioner Ted Terry was trying to pass uh some 462 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: marijuana form uh and you know, banned marijuana drug testing 463 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: in the cab counting for jobs, and it was black 464 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: commissioners standing in the way. And I think it's beyond 465 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: time for uh, particularly in black politics, for us to 466 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: have a discussion on a platform where the masses can see, uh, 467 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: are is black liberalism hurting the black community? Um? We 468 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: get all excited about some of these folks sometimes, but 469 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: some sometimes these folks are embracing some really antiquated thinking 470 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: that we would call white folks racist. For yeah, yeah, 471 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: I mean one one conversation I like haven't been I'm like, 472 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: keep care to have still, But let's so I'll have 473 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: it now. It's like, you know, we all know that 474 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 1: not all folk kimp folks. But I think that in 475 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: the sense of what you're talking about, these intiquated policies 476 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: that are ultimately like continuing, you know, perpetuating the impression 477 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: of our people. But like the fact that like not 478 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: we're talking am I talking about not today terrible but 479 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: not today No. So the idea that like, maybe sometimes 480 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: I cannot believe people are the coming out out of 481 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: my mouth, but sometimes I would prefer like a white 482 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: leftist candidate that is embracing like what I would regard 483 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: as transformative politics over like a black neoliberal, knowing that 484 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: like representation for representation stake is not going to set 485 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: us free a controversials, I mean, like a highly contregation. 486 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: I agree with you, I'm with you. The problem is 487 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: is the white leftists don't know how to talk the 488 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: black people in general. They were a little better at it, 489 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: then they would have more success. Uh, but you know 490 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: I would I'm a hundred Uh. They're with you, And 491 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: I think here's the thing. We don't have to cancel 492 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: black neoliberal In fact, our best hope for Georgia right 493 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: now is that black neoliberal. Let's just put it. Let's 494 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: put a flame. I love her to death. I will 495 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: go all out for her. In fact, it's my final 496 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: mission in democratic politics to make her governor UM. But 497 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: I will publicly encourage Stacy. I'm like, Stacy Abrahams, you're 498 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: gonna support the Fight for fifteen. You should. We're knocking 499 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: as often they are also heoliberals, but they support the 500 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: Fight fifteen. Like she. She needs to support the Fight fifteen. 501 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: She needs to support UM. She needs to support marijuana legalization. 502 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: You'll get some crossover vote on that, I promise. Yeah. Yeah. 503 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: And so I think I think it's okay if we, 504 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: in a love long way even push Stacy Abrams to 505 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 1: the left. I don't I don't think there's anything wrong 506 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: with that. We can be respectful, we can respect her 507 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: work and everything she's doing for us, and the fact 508 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: that she is he has a good chance of being 509 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: America's for a black woman governor. That's that's amazing. But 510 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: we also need to push her on the issue. I mean, 511 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: I think the bottom line is, at this point in 512 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: the game, I don't think we can really afford to 513 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: like fracture the whatever you wanna call the left side 514 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 1: of the spectrum. I don't think it can afford to 515 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: be like fractured or shrunk any more than it is 516 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So like I think the tent 517 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: should be big. I think there's room. I mean, I 518 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: don't think that will shrink in the tent. I think no, no, no, 519 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that that's what you're saying. I'm just 520 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: I'm just saying I agree with you. Like that's generally 521 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 1: where I fall on is like I think that there 522 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: there shouldn't be we shouldn't be like canceling like neo 523 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: liberals or neo liberals or that, you know, as long 524 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: as they're not at this point in the game, like 525 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: I said, given the snakes, as long as they're not 526 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 1: working with the Nazis, yo, Like, like then I'm not 527 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 1: canceling anybody because like it's just it's too much on 528 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: the line to be like, oh they don't fall in 529 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,719 Speaker 1: line with X, y Z that you know what I mean. Well, 530 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: if you want to cancel them, beat them in a primary. 531 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 1: That's that's all I would primary um beat them in 532 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: the primary. Otherwise, you know, Stacy's gonna be our nominee. 533 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 1: For governor. He's gonna be the less not just the 534 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: Democrats best bet, but the less best bet everyone who's 535 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: not you know, uh, neo fascist the best bet. And 536 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 1: so I think, um, I think we owe it to 537 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 1: ourselves into the community to say, hey, it's okay to 538 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,080 Speaker 1: be black on purpose and a state. If you are 539 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: not more black people, it won't even be close. So 540 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: kind of you gotta phrase it like that. Don't listen 541 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 1: to establishment consultants who not only tell you to be 542 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 1: less progressive, but to not go all out for the 543 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: black community, yeah, or for like marginalized communities in general. 544 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: Like you know that that's the purpose of like all 545 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: of this anti woke of sort of legislation and sentiment 546 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: that they're trying to build. Is that that that is 547 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 1: that exact effect happens that that they you know, uh, 548 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 1: mainstream Democrats stay away from issues that are important to 549 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: black people or gays or transgenders or women and stuff 550 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 1: like that because it's deemed woke. You know, one thing, 551 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, sorry, but one thing I want to add 552 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,280 Speaker 1: to go back to this, like uh, just like, um, 553 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 1: I don't know the thing I posited earlier with regards 554 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: to like black new liberalists them versus white leftism. I 555 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: think you're absolutely right. White these these little white boys 556 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: with the long hair don't know how to talk to people, 557 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 1: don't know how to talk to people, And so I 558 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 1: think it's like a false choice, like, oh, which one 559 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 1: do you choose from? Because the real problem is that 560 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: I think like the black leoliberal like leadership class generally 561 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: just doesn't listen to the voices of or uplift the 562 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 1: leadership of young black people, who I would say are 563 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: more progressive than ever. You know, they've they've never lived 564 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: in a world where like fight for fifteen and like 565 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,319 Speaker 1: free like legal weed, free weeds, legal weeds, and then 566 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,399 Speaker 1: maybe make it free after that, like has not been 567 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 1: a part of the conversation, you know. Like but and 568 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 1: yet like when we are expected to like honor the 569 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,320 Speaker 1: like honor the hierarchy, like oh yeah, pay your dudes, 570 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 1: and you have to you know, have enough life experience 571 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 1: to like know what you're talking about. Um, and those 572 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: are the same people that are really hard to mobilize 573 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: and engage around voting in the first But so um 574 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: we gotta like, oh, like either or our only choices 575 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 1: are like some core vote like Sanders sibling or you know, 576 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: like somebody that's been in politics for like fifty years. Really, 577 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: I mean it comes down to bringing in new quotes 578 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 1: that I got different perspectives because dating in here right now. 579 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:40,800 Speaker 1: It's a matter of politics, and sometimes leftists don't understand 580 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 1: the pop pop the power political persuasion. The Fight for 581 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 1: Fifteen wasn't mainstream on the democratic side just six years ago, 582 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 1: and now it's become pretty mainstream. It's not even considered 583 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:59,239 Speaker 1: that progressive to be for the Fight for fifteen. And 584 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 1: so I think that's how we have to look at it. 585 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 1: There are neoliberal folks that are mainstream liberals who we 586 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:13,399 Speaker 1: can get on board with our progressive policies. They're there 587 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:19,319 Speaker 1: are those who we could get to agree that, um, 588 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,880 Speaker 1: this is the only way forward. And you know, you 589 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: have a lot of like really wonky centrist type people 590 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: who like to think, well, I just I like to 591 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,799 Speaker 1: do the analysis of the policy and blah blah blah, 592 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 1: and you gotta remind them and well, what about wages 593 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 1: not growing with inflation and forever like what about CEO 594 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:45,280 Speaker 1: wages growing but not workers? And I'm like, like, that's 595 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 1: that's the policy analysis. You should do, and so I 596 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 1: think that, Um, there's even there's a class, There is 597 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 1: a there is a section of liberals who have an 598 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 1: ear to it. They just they're just a little bit 599 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,719 Speaker 1: more worried than leftists are about the political viability of it. 600 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 1: Leftist or like, screw it, this is the only way 601 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna make it as as a people. Uh, where 602 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 1: liberals are like, well, I'm just waiting for the rag time. 603 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 1: And so I wanted to get your thoughts on some 604 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: things that are going on then of like happening the day. So, Mariah, 605 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 1: do you wanna talk about the Amazon situation? Well, actually 606 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,840 Speaker 1: I love last question. Well, and it might take a 607 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,919 Speaker 1: while for John, but I know you're very passionate about 608 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 1: economic justice. Um what does that term even mean to you? 609 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,759 Speaker 1: I think it means righting the wrongs of centuries of 610 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 1: economic oppression, uh in this country, And um, certain folks, 611 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 1: it's not an oppression Olympics. The certain folks have had 612 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,319 Speaker 1: more economic oppression than others, particularly the ones who were 613 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:03,280 Speaker 1: brought here for free labor. Uh. So he's start with that. Um, 614 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 1: you gotta write those fronts and understand. This is where 615 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:15,240 Speaker 1: liberals mess up every other form of inequality is attached 616 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:19,760 Speaker 1: to economic inequality. So that's whether that's criminal injustice system, 617 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 1: whether that is the inequality and education attached to some 618 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:33,800 Speaker 1: screwed up funding formula, whether that is healthcare being great 619 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 1: on the north side of Atlanta and on the south 620 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 1: side good luck. Uh So I think that that can 621 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 1: all be kind of. Economic justice is like the nucleus 622 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,800 Speaker 1: of all the policy issues of left in my opinion, 623 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:57,719 Speaker 1: including including um, reproductive justice, because at the end of 624 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,239 Speaker 1: the day, it's not reproductive since if only rich white 625 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 1: ladies can get abortions, I think, I think that's what it. 626 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:10,880 Speaker 1: Uh if if you talk to maybe some upper middle 627 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,000 Speaker 1: class folks who are maybe okay with voting for Biden 628 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,440 Speaker 1: and then voting Republican on the down ballot Roe v. 629 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,440 Speaker 1: Wade is not going to impact them being overturned because 630 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,280 Speaker 1: you know what, say, they can still get an abortion 631 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,759 Speaker 1: if your others at economic questions, Yeah, they can go 632 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,399 Speaker 1: out of state if they need to. And so I 633 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 1: think that uh, just about every issue you could think of, um, 634 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:43,800 Speaker 1: you know, like I've seen lgbt Q plus organizations who 635 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:51,160 Speaker 1: never address lgbt Q plus poverty for homelessness or uh, 636 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:57,040 Speaker 1: just the lower economic gear of queer folks. They act 637 00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 1: as if they're not a thing, and so I think 638 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 1: that uh neoliberalism. We'll sometimes try to erase that. They'll say, well, 639 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,239 Speaker 1: as long as we get the social liberalism down, we're good. 640 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,439 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, it doesn't work that way. Everything has 641 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 1: to be funded everything, show me the money. Yes, absolutely, 642 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,759 Speaker 1: it's not just about like, oh we're inclusive, like you 643 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,080 Speaker 1: know these companies that you're trying to do like e 644 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 1: I training saada da, but have to like not asked 645 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 1: to touch my hair or whatever. But it's like also 646 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,520 Speaker 1: just pay or just paying people more. Just like where 647 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,920 Speaker 1: where where are you putting? You know, you're just you're 648 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,719 Speaker 1: just putting money into training and you're not putting any material, 649 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:41,839 Speaker 1: not transforming people's material conditions, which oftentimes makes you know, 650 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 1: create these racials, you know, gender disparities, etcetera, etcetera. Put 651 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,720 Speaker 1: the money in folks hands, period. I don't care. I'm like, oh, 652 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,920 Speaker 1: we hot, you know, oh we uh you know, like 653 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,320 Speaker 1: just oh we're culturally sensitive. Yeah, I hope your pocketbook 654 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,120 Speaker 1: is culturally sensitive. And if you all your money, I 655 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 1: mean yeah, I mean like the corporate grift is definitely 656 00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:10,520 Speaker 1: like one thing. But I don't necessarily think it's as 657 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,399 Speaker 1: a separate issue. I don't think it's necessarily like misguided 658 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,640 Speaker 1: to attempt to change the culture when you're attacking something 659 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,799 Speaker 1: like racism and sirs. It's only part of it, though, Yeah, 660 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,520 Speaker 1: it's exactly. It's only part of it, just like with anything. Though. 661 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,640 Speaker 1: It's like if somebody's just doing it and they're like, oh, 662 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,360 Speaker 1: this is the this is the one step fixed all tool, 663 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,520 Speaker 1: then obviously you're going about it the wrong way because 664 00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,960 Speaker 1: it's you know, you would think that that, like most 665 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,439 Speaker 1: people would would understand, like it's a bit more complicated 666 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,520 Speaker 1: than issue than like, yo, don't touch your coworkers there, 667 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:49,959 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I think what's missing from 668 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:57,640 Speaker 1: modern liberalism is the fact that you really can't perform 669 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,239 Speaker 1: all these other systems. It that liberalism will try to 670 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:08,600 Speaker 1: reform everything before they address economic justice. I'll you'll try 671 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,880 Speaker 1: to receive a criminal justice system reformed, You'll try to 672 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:16,319 Speaker 1: see a school system reformed. But how can you do 673 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:22,160 Speaker 1: that when there's still this disparity in basic resources and 674 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:27,239 Speaker 1: it's staggered by skin colors so much, And so I 675 00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:33,080 Speaker 1: think they skate around it, and they don't like being 676 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:37,000 Speaker 1: confronted with it. But it's a hard reality that I 677 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,360 Speaker 1: think it has. It has to be addressed. And I 678 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,720 Speaker 1: think also, I think we wouldn't have to worry about 679 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:51,040 Speaker 1: losing mid terms right now if the Biden administration, let's 680 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,880 Speaker 1: say a reparations bill had passed the House and it 681 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,400 Speaker 1: got stuck in the Senate and President Biden made a 682 00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:02,120 Speaker 1: big speech about it sucks how it got stuck in 683 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,080 Speaker 1: the Senate and this is why we need to expand 684 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:10,279 Speaker 1: the majority. I guarantee you more black folks if it 685 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,920 Speaker 1: was about that would be coming out for mid terms. 686 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:15,880 Speaker 1: We wouldn't have to worry about us coming out for 687 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:20,480 Speaker 1: mid terms if our issues weren't continuously thrown under the 688 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:25,680 Speaker 1: bus after we save everyone's asks. And so I think, um, 689 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,040 Speaker 1: it's something to think about. Lack of courage isn't rewarded. 690 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:36,640 Speaker 1: And we're playing a risky game now, not going all 691 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:42,040 Speaker 1: out for the people who want us several swing sticks. Yeah, 692 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,400 Speaker 1: y'all trying to really trying to really stave off fascism. Like, 693 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,279 Speaker 1: y'all gotta get with it, because this is not it's 694 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,400 Speaker 1: not gonna work in a long term, y'all. It's not 695 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:57,520 Speaker 1: gonna work No, not not at all. I mean, like 696 00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,040 Speaker 1: I said, scared money don't make money. You can't it. 697 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:05,399 Speaker 1: I mean, you can't talk all of that ship. When 698 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,600 Speaker 1: the chips are on the line and the elections on 699 00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,799 Speaker 1: the line, it's like, yeo, this is like the most 700 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:14,680 Speaker 1: important thing ever. We've got to stop this rising fascism. 701 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,560 Speaker 1: The Proud Boys are coming Trump's side of control. The 702 00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,440 Speaker 1: Republicans are crazy. And then when you get in power, 703 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,000 Speaker 1: you're going about the ship like it's not really that serious, 704 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,480 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like you're not even treating 705 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,440 Speaker 1: anything with the urgency that you were talking just a 706 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,160 Speaker 1: year ago, Like that was just a summer ago. But 707 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,640 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So yeah, it's like these 708 00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,759 Speaker 1: motherfucker's don't really want to win. I don't know, Well, 709 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:43,520 Speaker 1: it comes down to this. It's it's the more it's 710 00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:50,880 Speaker 1: the Diet Cola brand of white supremacy racism that is 711 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,880 Speaker 1: more prevalent amongst liberals. It's a Diet Cola version because 712 00:45:55,200 --> 00:46:00,759 Speaker 1: it's not culturally acceptable for liberals to be as nasty 713 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,959 Speaker 1: as the far right. So you kinda have to kind 714 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,480 Speaker 1: of you show a Diet Cola version by sweeping it 715 00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,799 Speaker 1: under the rug. And saying now let's get to the 716 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:14,040 Speaker 1: people who really matter, the regular Americans. Words like that 717 00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:20,560 Speaker 1: are used and so working class right, So basically color 718 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,799 Speaker 1: blinding the whole situation. That is the liberal version of it. 719 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:30,120 Speaker 1: And you know it sucks like hell that are people 720 00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:36,759 Speaker 1: have to choose between fuck you and oh I don't 721 00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,440 Speaker 1: have time for you right now? Can I can I 722 00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,760 Speaker 1: get you to expand on that a little bit, because 723 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,560 Speaker 1: like something that I find just whether it be with 724 00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,319 Speaker 1: certain like leftist pundence I listened to, or even when 725 00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:55,080 Speaker 1: I'm you know, interacting with like leftist spaces on Twitter 726 00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,799 Speaker 1: and stuff like that, I find that there tends to 727 00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,239 Speaker 1: be like and it could should be me personally, but 728 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,880 Speaker 1: I tend to see like this sort of like economic 729 00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:10,319 Speaker 1: essential ism from some leftist to where it's like the 730 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,440 Speaker 1: economic aspect of things is the only thing that matters 731 00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,000 Speaker 1: and don't pay it to you know what I mean. Like, 732 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,760 Speaker 1: there's a certain color blind sort of push I find 733 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:23,120 Speaker 1: from some people who leftist as well. Leftists can be 734 00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:29,840 Speaker 1: a big part of the problem. Um uh, there's a 735 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,759 Speaker 1: lot of white leftists who have no clue how to 736 00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:39,840 Speaker 1: be intersectional, and they have just as much problematic white 737 00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:44,440 Speaker 1: supremacit thinking it's just in a more progressive form, and 738 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,120 Speaker 1: it's even It's like liberals they have to culturally adjust 739 00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:52,319 Speaker 1: to what's acceptable. Leftists have to as well, and so 740 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,120 Speaker 1: you can't they can't get away with saying what you 741 00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,480 Speaker 1: could say and fire right crowds. So they try to 742 00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,560 Speaker 1: color blind everything and say, oh, it's all class and 743 00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,399 Speaker 1: I'm like, and I'm like, it's it's I would say, 744 00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,479 Speaker 1: it's not all class, it's it's class and race. And 745 00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:10,640 Speaker 1: you can tell to Like one of the things I 746 00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,960 Speaker 1: say to them is like, man, Medicare for all is 747 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,760 Speaker 1: super dope. But if you're not even thinking of including 748 00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,200 Speaker 1: black people and when you're talking about it, then like, 749 00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,000 Speaker 1: am I just supposed to be stupid? Like? Oh you 750 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,279 Speaker 1: said that? You know what I mean? Like? Nah? Like 751 00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,839 Speaker 1: did you be like that? Sometimes? Do be like that? Sometimes? Well, 752 00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,440 Speaker 1: at this point, do you all want to uh segue 753 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,879 Speaker 1: into discussing a little bit what's been going on this week? 754 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:46,600 Speaker 1: Get some of your reactions down to well, let's uh break. Oh, 755 00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,200 Speaker 1: you're right, you're right, you're right. I'm tripping. I'm tripping. 756 00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,080 Speaker 1: We still got to pay these bills. I gotta pay 757 00:48:52,080 --> 00:49:01,919 Speaker 1: these bills. We'll be back after the joke. The big 758 00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,120 Speaker 1: thing I will talk about this week. Come on, let 759 00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,120 Speaker 1: me let me get it first. Let me get it first. 760 00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,279 Speaker 1: I had something before we went to a break. I 761 00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,520 Speaker 1: was about to I was about to ask ask something 762 00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:16,279 Speaker 1: I wanted to get. This isn't like the best. I'm 763 00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:23,560 Speaker 1: not saying mine is the best or oh I'm so exciting, Okay, John, 764 00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:27,880 Speaker 1: I wanted to Did you pay attention at all to 765 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:32,239 Speaker 1: any of the U in particular hip hop aspects of 766 00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:37,040 Speaker 1: the Grammys. Tyler the Creator one Best Best Rap Album 767 00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:42,160 Speaker 1: with this Yeah Yeah Album? I didn't realize top I 768 00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,399 Speaker 1: heard it there. I didn't know that should happen until 769 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,480 Speaker 1: this morning. I'm gonna be honest. I did not watch 770 00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:54,360 Speaker 1: the Grams for free over here, and not a single 771 00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:59,160 Speaker 1: one of them. I heard the great things. I had 772 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,200 Speaker 1: had a friend who was there, so I saw some 773 00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:06,480 Speaker 1: Instagram stories. I heard it went better than the Oscar 774 00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:15,520 Speaker 1: Wait who want to? Yeah? Who? Who wanted? All? Right? 775 00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:21,279 Speaker 1: So on the hip hop and um or hip hop 776 00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,720 Speaker 1: adjacent type stuff. Tyler the Creator one Best Rap Album, 777 00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:29,400 Speaker 1: You'll Call Me If You Get Lost Kanye One Best 778 00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:34,759 Speaker 1: Rap Song with Jail featuring jay Z, Little Baby One 779 00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:39,000 Speaker 1: Best Melodic Rap Performance Best Melodic Rap Performances a category 780 00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:43,839 Speaker 1: that's dope um with the song Hurricane featuring Kanye West 781 00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,880 Speaker 1: in the Weekend, it actually sounds like that might just 782 00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:48,239 Speaker 1: be a way so they can give R and B 783 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,800 Speaker 1: singers a rap grabmy without saying it's R and B. 784 00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:58,719 Speaker 1: Best Rap Performance went to Baby Keeman Kendrick Lamar for 785 00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:05,680 Speaker 1: the song Family Tie and Yeah. Yeah. Those are the 786 00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:10,359 Speaker 1: main hip hip hop related grammy wins. Did you hear 787 00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,360 Speaker 1: any of those albums? I heard the Tyler joint, it 788 00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:22,439 Speaker 1: was good, mar and Baby came. I heard I'm gonna 789 00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:26,000 Speaker 1: be honest. I stopped listening to Kanye several years ago. 790 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,000 Speaker 1: Met me too. I listened to the old Kanye. I 791 00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,520 Speaker 1: do listen to the old Kanye, but I haven't listened 792 00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:37,560 Speaker 1: too much new Kanye. Yeah, no, no, okay, unless he 793 00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,520 Speaker 1: shows up. He'll like show up on the random, like chance, 794 00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:43,680 Speaker 1: the rapper saying, not really, well, like the field is there. 795 00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:45,960 Speaker 1: You can feel Kanye in the music and you're just like, 796 00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:51,279 Speaker 1: but apparently doesn't Capparently he's doing noil. Now he's got 797 00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:55,759 Speaker 1: older dark money, so he's doing something right. Okay, so 798 00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,720 Speaker 1: we're here's That's interesting, right, because you know, if I 799 00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,120 Speaker 1: do take a survey of the age range of the 800 00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,839 Speaker 1: three of us right now, me and you John are 801 00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:10,120 Speaker 1: in are like mid to late thirties, Marizon or early thirties. 802 00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:15,279 Speaker 1: So why it like what's going on that none of 803 00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,759 Speaker 1: us just are completely oblivion because to the fact that 804 00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,799 Speaker 1: the Grammys took place and we're like, yeah, I heard 805 00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,240 Speaker 1: that one song. When we're all talking about the stuff 806 00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:28,080 Speaker 1: that won, I don't any of those like show like 807 00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,800 Speaker 1: award shows. I've never I've never. Hip Hop is a 808 00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:35,160 Speaker 1: very wide, wide genre, and so you can be a 809 00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,120 Speaker 1: hip hop hit and I'm not a hip hop hit. 810 00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:39,719 Speaker 1: I listened to a lot of hip hop, but I'm 811 00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,440 Speaker 1: nothing closed to being a hip hop hit. You give 812 00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:47,360 Speaker 1: me a hip hop hit and still not listen to everything. Yeah, 813 00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,959 Speaker 1: I don't know, Like I honestly, you know, I gess, 814 00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,040 Speaker 1: I guess. I guess I heard the Tyler album and 815 00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,480 Speaker 1: then I did hear that Baby Kaman Kendrick Lamar song. 816 00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,080 Speaker 1: But I mean, definitely the other stuff definitely kind to 817 00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,080 Speaker 1: kind of missed me. And it's it's not like I 818 00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,279 Speaker 1: wasn't listening to a lot of music. I guess this 819 00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,719 Speaker 1: is just you know what I mean. The it's just 820 00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:14,000 Speaker 1: like it's like a particular I guess, like like little 821 00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:18,200 Speaker 1: carving of like all that there is out there that's 822 00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:21,120 Speaker 1: actually involved with the Grammys. That it's like, if you're 823 00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,920 Speaker 1: not super in tune to wherever the hell people are 824 00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:26,920 Speaker 1: getting updated on that stuff, are you? It kind of 825 00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,560 Speaker 1: like it just kind of skipped that fast you by. 826 00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,560 Speaker 1: You don't you don't even know that the ship took place. 827 00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,680 Speaker 1: It's like John said, it's a warm hoole. I keep 828 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,640 Speaker 1: falling backwards and forwards in the hip hop chronology in 829 00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,000 Speaker 1: terms of what I listened to. I'll be like I'll 830 00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,719 Speaker 1: just discover like an album from my favorite like my 831 00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,000 Speaker 1: Nick Jake it's from my two tho, Like why Wilt 832 00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,680 Speaker 1: go through the whole time? What the hell? There's not 833 00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,040 Speaker 1: enough time to all to keep to keep up with everything. 834 00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,880 Speaker 1: But you know, being a winners at the Grammys. You 835 00:53:53,920 --> 00:54:01,360 Speaker 1: know who else won this week? Amazon, Labor Union, got 836 00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:05,720 Speaker 1: that ship. Everyone for the listeners, everyone's dancing on camera 837 00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:10,319 Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, and so that's super exciting. I mean 838 00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,440 Speaker 1: I am slightly bumped for like my homies down Investmer, Alabama. 839 00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:18,240 Speaker 1: Who are you know? They early tallies look like they lost. 840 00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,400 Speaker 1: You know, there's probably gonna be some sort of n 841 00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:24,160 Speaker 1: LRV challenge and try to like get it overturn again. 842 00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,200 Speaker 1: But so it was. I'm a little heartbroken for them 843 00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,480 Speaker 1: because you know, I'd love to see the south wind 844 00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:34,239 Speaker 1: but first first unionized Amazon warehouse in the country up 845 00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,920 Speaker 1: there in stud Island. Do you know what some of 846 00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:41,640 Speaker 1: the things that they're gonna be like working out to 847 00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,480 Speaker 1: change when they yeah, and they're trying to get thirty 848 00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:50,320 Speaker 1: dollars an hour they want um paid to PA repaid 849 00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,439 Speaker 1: breaks to thirty minute paid breaks and then an hour 850 00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:57,160 Speaker 1: for lunch, and they wanted to totally completely stop changing 851 00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:02,000 Speaker 1: any HR policies like that, um like between now and 852 00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:06,359 Speaker 1: when they start to like bargain with the union. I mean, 853 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:13,880 Speaker 1: it's everything that you said sounds like super reasonable, but 854 00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,600 Speaker 1: that he didn't even literally like no, they're just coming 855 00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:22,200 Speaker 1: for what they deserved, not men sports here, Like literally, 856 00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,320 Speaker 1: this isn't a big deal. Let's just get this done 857 00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:30,800 Speaker 1: with yo. But interesting fact I learned is that Chris Smalls, 858 00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,640 Speaker 1: who's the president of the Amazon Labor Union, uh, the 859 00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,560 Speaker 1: guy that's got fired into a tony for the to 860 00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,879 Speaker 1: walk out over like the coronavirus policies and like being 861 00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:43,240 Speaker 1: organized ever since. So he is a rapper apparently, Oh 862 00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:47,879 Speaker 1: that before like in a former life went on tour 863 00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:51,760 Speaker 1: with Meet Mill. I did not know that about Chris Small. 864 00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,800 Speaker 1: So that was like a little nation right there. We 865 00:55:54,880 --> 00:56:00,440 Speaker 1: gotta it's like we're like highlanders and it. You know, 866 00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,600 Speaker 1: it's like we're in all walks of life. You run 867 00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:08,680 Speaker 1: to somebody's like yo MC yeah, I used to Nope, 868 00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:14,080 Speaker 1: I gotta say you're you're you're leading a labor union 869 00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:20,960 Speaker 1: and you're a rap. That's actually really hard rappers, yeah, 870 00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,279 Speaker 1: and politicians very similar and very similar times. People say, 871 00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:29,799 Speaker 1: very similar skill sets only differences. Rappers are not contivation 872 00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:33,200 Speaker 1: behind the two. I would like to see mainstream rap 873 00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:38,239 Speaker 1: affected with uh a labor union rapper. Like I feel 874 00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:44,480 Speaker 1: like mainstream rap is more neoliberal than actual neoliberal politics. 875 00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:49,560 Speaker 1: Mainstream wrappers actually kind of like mainstream American hip hop 876 00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:51,840 Speaker 1: has got like a lot of at least from an 877 00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,319 Speaker 1: economic standpoint, I think it's got like a lot of 878 00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:59,040 Speaker 1: right wing sort of yeah, right wing is more like it. 879 00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,520 Speaker 1: But you know, neo liberal is a gentle way of 880 00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,960 Speaker 1: putting it, Like, yeah, exactly a lot of shaming. It's 881 00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,719 Speaker 1: a lot of poverty shaming and made sap it and 882 00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:11,279 Speaker 1: I mean it's like poverty shaming from like it's not 883 00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:15,480 Speaker 1: even like a superficial like Nana Nana boo boo sort 884 00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:19,680 Speaker 1: of way, like my car so much doper than yours. 885 00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:23,960 Speaker 1: It's like on some philosophical like you're broken, you shouldn't 886 00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:27,480 Speaker 1: be bro It's like you shouldn't be broke, only real mannery, 887 00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:35,760 Speaker 1: it's like time out. Don't don't get me wrong, I'm 888 00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,240 Speaker 1: not into policing art, but I would not mind if 889 00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,680 Speaker 1: that went away from I would not mind if that 890 00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,280 Speaker 1: just went away because it's living in Atlanta, and in 891 00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:52,080 Speaker 1: Atlanta that impacts the actual culture in the streets, Like 892 00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:56,960 Speaker 1: I it hits you. I'm like, whoa, No, I agree, 893 00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:00,760 Speaker 1: you know, like it's weird Joe, and to the point 894 00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:05,000 Speaker 1: where it's like if you if you just listen to 895 00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,720 Speaker 1: the stuff, It's like, man, I'm not saying this has 896 00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,000 Speaker 1: nothing that there's not like a quality judgment, you know 897 00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,240 Speaker 1: what I mean. This isn't like, oh it's whack or whatever. 898 00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:16,400 Speaker 1: I'm talking about like the actual like way that the 899 00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,960 Speaker 1: ship like feels and you know, I personally I have 900 00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:23,120 Speaker 1: these like other political beliefs and ship and they bleed 901 00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,640 Speaker 1: into the art that I consume. So yeah, there's like 902 00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,880 Speaker 1: certain elements of listening to it where it's like, man, 903 00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,320 Speaker 1: this is this is nothing. If this didn't have a 904 00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:35,320 Speaker 1: beat behind it, like I wouldn't. I'm just wondering how 905 00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:40,720 Speaker 1: many women who were like born to like working class 906 00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:50,680 Speaker 1: or poor fathers say broken niggas don't deserve No, you didn't, 907 00:58:50,440 --> 00:59:01,880 Speaker 1: You didn't deserve to be born No. Yeah? Yeah, Well, John, 908 00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:04,480 Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on the show and 909 00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:08,160 Speaker 1: sharing some of your perspectives from on the ground. Um, 910 00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,080 Speaker 1: do you want people to catch up with you? Yeah? 911 00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,800 Speaker 1: Like if you do want people to find you, where 912 00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:18,240 Speaker 1: can they find you? To drop of? Like this, yo'all 913 00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,960 Speaker 1: want people who know about you? I want people to 914 00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,520 Speaker 1: know about it. I want I want people to cancel 915 00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:28,520 Speaker 1: me over it. I don't care lit Man j J 916 00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:35,680 Speaker 1: on Twitter, Instagram, John Jackson on Facebook. Yeah, hit me up. 917 00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:40,520 Speaker 1: He watched all the smoke all of Oh Man, Well 918 00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:43,240 Speaker 1: thanks so much again, Man, and uh, oh my god, 919 00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,200 Speaker 1: thank you for coming out. This was super fun. Plus 920 00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:46,720 Speaker 1: I just don't know what anything hang out with you, 921 00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:54,640 Speaker 1: so it's like good hanging out with you again, Yo. 922 00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,160 Speaker 1: So that's my homie, John. I appreciate you coming on 923 00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:01,280 Speaker 1: once again. Bro. Think something we're gonna talk more about 924 01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:02,800 Speaker 1: on the show that we can really got into with 925 01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:06,240 Speaker 1: him was like the reconciliation of like the things that 926 01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:09,240 Speaker 1: we do for money with like the fact that we 927 01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:12,920 Speaker 1: are inherently participant in like a sick and toxic system. 928 01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,760 Speaker 1: I appreciate him as like a you know, financial analysts 929 01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,600 Speaker 1: working with these big companies that like he's also outspoken 930 01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:24,000 Speaker 1: about hating uh yeah, and you know, like there's various 931 01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,240 Speaker 1: ways that we like play the game, but like you know, 932 01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:31,560 Speaker 1: don't participating in boycotts or avoiding certain companies or participating 933 01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,480 Speaker 1: with certainly Yeah, yeah, exactly. I Mean that's something that 934 01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,840 Speaker 1: we both I wouldn't say struggle with, but it's something 935 01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,560 Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a reality that we both 936 01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,480 Speaker 1: come to grips with, even with posting our podcast and 937 01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,640 Speaker 1: doing the O you know, and according to the other 938 01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:50,200 Speaker 1: things that we do. So, I mean one thing we 939 01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:53,120 Speaker 1: got to grapple with, Like as artists, we are like 940 01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:55,440 Speaker 1: take this with a grant of salt, but we are 941 01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:58,720 Speaker 1: capitalists and agree to like I get some money together 942 01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:00,800 Speaker 1: and buy some T shirts and then I sell them 943 01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,560 Speaker 1: more than their work um to get the money and 944 01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,040 Speaker 1: so like I get I make money if by had 945 01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:11,200 Speaker 1: like by having money, you know, like you know, I 946 01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:14,240 Speaker 1: don't know stuff like that. It's one of those things 947 01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:20,320 Speaker 1: where it's like what the idealized you know, world that 948 01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,840 Speaker 1: you would like to live in, budding heads with like 949 01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:24,640 Speaker 1: the real world that you do live in. It's one 950 01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,040 Speaker 1: of those certain things, you know. It's like we all 951 01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:29,080 Speaker 1: have to play the game because we don't have any 952 01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:32,520 Speaker 1: other there's no other world for us to live in 953 01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:34,960 Speaker 1: other than the one. Yeah, I just have you. I 954 01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,360 Speaker 1: have to at this point, like it's my career. Like 955 01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,240 Speaker 1: I don't know what else to do, you know, you 956 01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:42,200 Speaker 1: know what else we have to do because it's our career. 957 01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:48,200 Speaker 1: That's bit wraps and ship. All right, let us get 958 01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:51,640 Speaker 1: a beat please. Oh you said you're gonna kick one 959 01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:54,720 Speaker 1: of your customers during this okay, word, I want to 960 01:01:54,720 --> 01:02:01,800 Speaker 1: hear this all right? Joel dropped that drop that Oh yeah, 961 01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:12,680 Speaker 1: who we be? It's that rhetorical question, who we be? Yeah? Yeah, 962 01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:16,360 Speaker 1: weight on reparations, You better give me my paper. My 963 01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:20,640 Speaker 1: people and Amazon they was organizing for labor black and 964 01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:23,640 Speaker 1: brown and the yellow the games we got manny flavor. 965 01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,600 Speaker 1: We never crossing the pick and lion march in front 966 01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,280 Speaker 1: of the mayor. Hey, we want lunch in the bathroom. 967 01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:31,680 Speaker 1: Break we want more to cash you make. I've been 968 01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:33,720 Speaker 1: eating too long as fact, you say, but you should 969 01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:36,120 Speaker 1: have built on my back. You break because of y'all green. 970 01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:38,080 Speaker 1: Now we all stock spe ships to the side. We 971 01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:40,200 Speaker 1: can see y'all butt. Why be the billionaires that we 972 01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:44,360 Speaker 1: all trust? Why never funk with no elon must or 973 01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:47,720 Speaker 1: birds came to get under the bundaid that they see, 974 01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:51,000 Speaker 1: not to fight for what they owed for body lining 975 01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:55,160 Speaker 1: up the Coke for a multi national folk United bargain. 976 01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:58,720 Speaker 1: Divided with slave and staying broke, the Coke responded with 977 01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:03,320 Speaker 1: brutality written in their families. Some leaders disappeared and some 978 01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:07,640 Speaker 1: others would badly beat five fatalities. So the workers took 979 01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:11,680 Speaker 1: it to the court seeking justice protragedy station door. And 980 01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,440 Speaker 1: still today they're fighting for what they worked in the 981 01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:18,520 Speaker 1: face of intimidation. Even no one that homeless had gotten 982 01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:22,320 Speaker 1: their lives cut short standing before they write to stick 983 01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,000 Speaker 1: in it to the bosses. Because the name of the 984 01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:30,040 Speaker 1: game is always people over profits. Hey, hey, hey, this 985 01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:34,120 Speaker 1: is Dope Knife and you have been listening to Waiting 986 01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:40,040 Speaker 1: on Reparations. See you next week. Plea. Listen to Waiting 987 01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:43,520 Speaker 1: on Reparations on the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcasts, 988 01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:45,000 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts.