WEBVTT - TechStuff Classic: The Samsung Story Part 2

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Tech Stuff, a production from iHeartRadio. Hey there,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host, Jonathan Strickland.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm an executive producer with iHeart Podcasts and How the

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<v Speaker 1>Tech Are Yet. So it is Friday again. It's time

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<v Speaker 1>for another classic episode. And last week we did the

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<v Speaker 1>Samsung Story Part one, so shocking. We're gonna do the

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<v Speaker 1>Samsung Story Part two today. This originally published on May

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<v Speaker 1>twenty sixth, twenty seventeen. Hope you enjoy Samsung, as it

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<v Speaker 1>turns out, is a conglomeration of companies that do lots

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<v Speaker 1>of different things. Electronics is just part of it. It's

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<v Speaker 1>one of the more forward facing components, especially outside of Korea,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's just one element of the overall company. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>keep in mind, I'm talking about a Korean company with

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of Korean names. So again, I apologize right

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<v Speaker 1>up front for the numerous occasions I'm sure I will

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<v Speaker 1>mispronounce Korean names. It is not through any lack of respect,

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<v Speaker 1>but rather just a simple ignorance of the correct pronunciations

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<v Speaker 1>for that language. I will do the best I can. However,

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<v Speaker 1>it will get a little confusing because I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk a lot about the family who was in charge

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<v Speaker 1>of Samsung, and there are an awful lot of them,

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<v Speaker 1>but we will get to that a bit later. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>If you remember, I left off at the point when

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<v Speaker 1>Samsung began to produce its first televisions and washing machines.

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<v Speaker 1>That brings us up to the nineteen seventies. So what

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<v Speaker 1>was going on in Korea during that time? Well, you

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<v Speaker 1>might remember in the last episode I told you that

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<v Speaker 1>Korea had come under the rule of a military leader,

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<v Speaker 1>a general named Bach Jonghi or also sometimes spelled Park

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<v Speaker 1>chung Hi. These names are anglicized version of the Korean names,

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<v Speaker 1>so often it's as close to an approximation of an

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<v Speaker 1>anglicized pronunciation as we can get. So there are different spellings.

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<v Speaker 1>Park Chunghi is probably the most common, but I've also

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<v Speaker 1>seen Bach Chonghi same person. However. In fact, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a good time for me to mention this. In the

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<v Speaker 1>previous episode, I talked about a US backed leader, and

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<v Speaker 1>I talked about THEIM a lot. I said Li Sung

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<v Speaker 1>Man and also mentioned a man named singman Ri. Both

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<v Speaker 1>of those names are actually the same person. See in

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<v Speaker 1>the Western world, we will say a person's surname last.

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<v Speaker 1>But in Asia and many Asian cultures at any rate,

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<v Speaker 1>you say the surname first, So Lee is the surname

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<v Speaker 1>Li sungman or singman Ri is the way that we

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<v Speaker 1>often see it spelled, depending upon the source you're looking at.

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<v Speaker 1>So I know it gets a little confusing, but these

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<v Speaker 1>are the same people. They are just anglicized versions of

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<v Speaker 1>the name. Anyway, let's go back to Park Chunghi, the general,

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<v Speaker 1>the person who had been in charge of South Korea

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy two. He put the country under martial

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<v Speaker 1>law and solidified his power in South Korea, they would

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<v Speaker 1>hold elections and Park Chunghi would win those elections. But

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<v Speaker 1>there were a lot of people who essentially said that

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<v Speaker 1>Park Chunghi was really just a military dictator. Just a

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<v Speaker 1>military dictator is probably the wrong way of saying it,

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<v Speaker 1>But he was a military dictator as opposed to a

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<v Speaker 1>legally elected president, according to whom you ask. Meanwhile, at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, South Korea government officials were starting up

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<v Speaker 1>talks with their counterparts in North Korea, and the two

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<v Speaker 1>countries talked about wanting to reunite, to have a reunification

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<v Speaker 1>of Korea. They said that there were a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>requirements for that. One of the big ones was that

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<v Speaker 1>they demanded no outside interference. They didn't want other entities

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<v Speaker 1>coming into Korea to try and guide the process. Remember,

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<v Speaker 1>Korea had been the subject of a lot of interference

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<v Speaker 1>from the Soviet Union, from the United States of America

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<v Speaker 1>before that, Japan, and China, so they were really determined

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<v Speaker 1>to do this themselves. But spoiler alert, that never really happened.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen seventy nine, the head of the Korean Intelligence Service,

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<v Speaker 1>Kim jagyu, assassinated Park Chunghi, so, the head of the

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<v Speaker 1>Korean version of the CIA, assassinated the president of the country.

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<v Speaker 1>After that, there was a brief period of civilian rule

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<v Speaker 1>where the Prime Minister assumed roles of the president before

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<v Speaker 1>another general. This one fellow by the name of General

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<v Speaker 1>Chu du Pan, receives power in nineteen eighty and thus

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<v Speaker 1>returned the country back to a dictatorship with token elections,

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<v Speaker 1>and that would continue to be the case until the

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<v Speaker 1>late nineteen eighties. So Korea still had a tumultuous and

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<v Speaker 1>often violent power structure, with people struggling to rule the

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<v Speaker 1>country in different ways. Remember, even though you know you

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<v Speaker 1>would say that that Park Chunghi was a dictator. He

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<v Speaker 1>was largely seen as someone who worked very hard to

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<v Speaker 1>improve conditions in Korea, so he wasn't just exploiting his power,

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<v Speaker 1>at least not in the view of many people. However,

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<v Speaker 1>that being said, he also wasn't willing to have a

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<v Speaker 1>transition of that power, and thus eventually he was assassinated.

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<v Speaker 1>So very complicated political structure in Korea at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>and despite all that political chaos, Samsung continued to do well.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll talk more about how they did that a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit later in this episode. The company had, for one thing,

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<v Speaker 1>diversified quite a bit. It was getting into so many

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<v Speaker 1>different industries and it was playing a key component in

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<v Speaker 1>the economy of South Korea. It was also creating Korean

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<v Speaker 1>electronics with Korean parts, so they weren't importing elements and

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<v Speaker 1>then building television sets and then selling them. They were

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<v Speaker 1>making all of this stuff piece by piece. This helped

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<v Speaker 1>establish Korea as one of what was called the Four

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<v Speaker 1>Little Dragons. The Four Little Dragons were nations in East

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<v Speaker 1>Asia that were very rapidly expanding economically and technologically, and

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<v Speaker 1>they also included Taiwan, Singapore, and Hong Kong, so these

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<v Speaker 1>Asian countries were really quickly catching up to other nations

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<v Speaker 1>like Japan and China. In nineteen seventy seven, Samsung began

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<v Speaker 1>producing color televisions and exporting them to Panama. So this

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<v Speaker 1>was a humble step toward Samsung becoming a global player

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<v Speaker 1>in consumer electronics. Before that, they had really been selling

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<v Speaker 1>mainly to South Korea, but now they were expanding beyond that,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were determined to really continue this level of

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<v Speaker 1>success with all different types of electronics. Around the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>Samsung began to produce other products in consumer electronics, including

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<v Speaker 1>air conditioners, which I have covered in previous episodes of

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<v Speaker 1>tech Stuff and the microwave, and there is also a

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<v Speaker 1>classic episode of tech Stuff about how the microwave works.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm not going to go into a full explanation,

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<v Speaker 1>but because this episode is going to be a lot

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<v Speaker 1>about corporate politics and actual politics because of the complicated

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<v Speaker 1>nature of Korean business, I thought why not go ahead

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<v Speaker 1>and have at least a brief explanation on the science

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<v Speaker 1>slash technology side of microwaves to really have this podcast

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<v Speaker 1>earn the name of tech Stuff, because otherwise we're just

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<v Speaker 1>going to be talking about lots of economics, politics, and

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<v Speaker 1>very complicated issues. So I'm going to give you some

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<v Speaker 1>highlights of how microwave ovens work. So, the radiation micro waves.

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<v Speaker 1>Microwaves are in the electromagnetic spectrum in between infrared and

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<v Speaker 1>radio waves, so they are longer waves than visible light.

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<v Speaker 1>Microwave ovens produce microwaves that a frequency of two point

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<v Speaker 1>four or five gigaherts. That's two point four or five

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<v Speaker 1>billion wavelengths passing through a given point within a second. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>certain stuff like fats, sugars, and water absorb waves that

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<v Speaker 1>are at this two point four or five gigahertz frequency.

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<v Speaker 1>As they absorb those waves, their atoms begin to get excited.

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<v Speaker 1>That means they start to move around, and we call

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<v Speaker 1>this heat. Right, if atoms are moving around a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>they are warm, they're giving off heat, and they're giving

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<v Speaker 1>off that form of energy. Likewise, if you apply heat

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<v Speaker 1>to materials, you start to make their atoms move around

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<v Speaker 1>more rapidly. So stuff like glass, ceramics, and plastics do

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<v Speaker 1>not absorb waves at that frequency. So if you were

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<v Speaker 1>to put a glass like a glass container in a

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<v Speaker 1>microwave and you turned it on and then you took

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<v Speaker 1>the glass container out, assuming there was nothing on it

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<v Speaker 1>to heat up to absorb those microwaves. It should not

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<v Speaker 1>be really any significantly warmer to the touch, So that's

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<v Speaker 1>why the food in a microwave will heat up, but

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<v Speaker 1>the containers do not. Metal, by the way, reflects microwaves,

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<v Speaker 1>which is why the interior of most microwave ovens tends

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<v Speaker 1>to be metallic. It's to reflect waves back into the

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<v Speaker 1>oven in order to give the food a better chance

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<v Speaker 1>at absorbing the waves and heating up and cooking in

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<v Speaker 1>the process. This is also why we say that this

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<v Speaker 1>kind of food cooks from the inside out, and you're

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<v Speaker 1>not applying any heat to a surface, so you don't

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<v Speaker 1>get that seared nature you would get if you were

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<v Speaker 1>to say, cook in a pan. One other thing, microwaves

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<v Speaker 1>are not a form of ionizing radiation. That means that

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<v Speaker 1>the waves don't carry enough energy to ionize atoms or molecules,

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<v Speaker 1>or to simplify it even further, it means microwaves don't

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<v Speaker 1>pack enough of a punch to strip electrons away from atoms.

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<v Speaker 1>Ionizing radiation includes stuff like ultraviolet radiation, X rays and

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<v Speaker 1>gamma rays, and they do have enough energy to strip

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<v Speaker 1>away electrons, and if you are exposed to that sort

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<v Speaker 1>of radiation, you can suffer immediate and long term damage

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<v Speaker 1>as a result. So in a short term, very brief exposure,

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<v Speaker 1>you might suffer burns. In the case of ultraviolet radiation,

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<v Speaker 1>it may take a little bit longer for you to

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<v Speaker 1>actually suffer burns, but you know that's what sunburn is.

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<v Speaker 1>In the long run, you're talking about bigger risks like cancer,

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<v Speaker 1>so you want to really minimize your exposure to ionizing radiation.

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<v Speaker 1>But happily, microwaves are not in that category, nor are

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<v Speaker 1>radio waves. It's the stuff in those bigger wavelengths. They

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<v Speaker 1>don't have the energy to do that, which is why

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<v Speaker 1>you shouldn't have to worry about microwaves or radio waves

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<v Speaker 1>or anything like that causing you any harm. They just

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<v Speaker 1>don't have the energy to do that to you. Whereas

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<v Speaker 1>X rays, gamma rays, that kind of stuff certainly has

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of energy. Now, if you want to learn

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<v Speaker 1>more about how microwaves work, including how they actually generate

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<v Speaker 1>the microwave radiation in the first place, make sure you

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<v Speaker 1>check out that Classic Tech Stuff episode. It is titled

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<v Speaker 1>how microwave ovens Work. Yeah, we thought long and hard

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<v Speaker 1>about that title anyway, that episode came out way back

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<v Speaker 1>on March first, twenty ten. Let's get back to Samsung.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen eighty Samsung made another big acquisition. Remember that's

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<v Speaker 1>how this company was really growing. It was buying up

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<v Speaker 1>other companies and getting involved in as many different industries

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<v Speaker 1>as possible. This time it was a telecommunications hardware company

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<v Speaker 1>called hanguk Jinja Tungsen. The number one product the company

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<v Speaker 1>made was telephones boards, so they were starting to install

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<v Speaker 1>more telephone infrastructure in Korea. Samsung soon expanded this to

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<v Speaker 1>produce telephone and faxt systems and much later on mobile phones.

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<v Speaker 1>More on Samsung's mobile phones. A bit later, Samsung expanded

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<v Speaker 1>the operations of its electronics division into other nations, including

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<v Speaker 1>the United Kingdom in the US, and the company had

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<v Speaker 1>become an empire. And that's when it lost its emperor.

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<v Speaker 1>It was nineteen eighty seven and Li Biongchol, who was

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<v Speaker 1>the man who founded Samsung when he was just twenty

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<v Speaker 1>eight years old, passed away. Now, if you listened to

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<v Speaker 1>our last episode, you know he had come from a

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<v Speaker 1>wealthy family to begin with, but his company had elevated

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<v Speaker 1>him and his family to truly wealthy status billionaires. Now

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<v Speaker 1>at the time of his death, he had one of

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<v Speaker 1>the largest private collections of Korean art in all of

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<v Speaker 1>the nation, which was opened up to the public after

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<v Speaker 1>his passing. He had ten children, six daughters and four sons.

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<v Speaker 1>There were also rumors of him having other children with

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<v Speaker 1>other women besides his wife in Korea, but that was

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<v Speaker 1>a rumor. That the family is very secretive in the

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<v Speaker 1>first place, so it's not like this was necessarily open information. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of this podcast, I'm going to trace

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<v Speaker 1>the very complicated history of Lee's family. I'll do this

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<v Speaker 1>because in Korea it is still traditional for families to

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<v Speaker 1>keep control over businesses, so you can inherit a position

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<v Speaker 1>of leadership in a company. The world of board of

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<v Speaker 1>directors and choosing a CEO isn't the way things are

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<v Speaker 1>done in Korea, at least not for a lot of companies.

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<v Speaker 1>They follow a more traditional pathway and that has caused

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<v Speaker 1>some consternation. As it turns out, now the company split

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<v Speaker 1>into four major business groups that eventually became their own

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<v Speaker 1>individual companies, and at least according to the people running

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<v Speaker 1>those companies, have nothing to do directly with one another. Anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Those include the Shinsegae Group or Shinsega I guess group,

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<v Speaker 1>I should say, which is mostly concerned with retail businesses,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, department stores, that kind of thing. There's the

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<v Speaker 1>CJ Group, which includes businesses in food, chemical, entertainment industries.

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<v Speaker 1>There's the Hensall Group, which includes telecommunications and paper manufacturing industries.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you have the Samsung Group, which is pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much everything else. So for right now, the only important

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<v Speaker 1>thing you need to remember is that Lee byungchal, the

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<v Speaker 1>founder of Samsung, died in nineteen eighty seven, and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>try to focus exclusively on Samsung Electronics from here on out,

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<v Speaker 1>though I should mention the company as a whole consisted

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<v Speaker 1>of eighty smaller companies at one point or another, eighty.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a really a conglomerate in the true sense

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<v Speaker 1>of the word. It was a company filled with other companies. Many,

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, most of those companies had nothing to do

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<v Speaker 1>with consumer electronics. In the late eighties and early nineties,

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<v Speaker 1>Samsung Electronics began opening manufacturing facilities in different parts of

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<v Speaker 1>the world. The company was really making a name for itself,

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<v Speaker 1>becoming a global player in the electronics space. This is

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<v Speaker 1>pretty remarkable when you remember that companies like Sony had

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<v Speaker 1>been in the electronics industry for decades, whereas Samsung really

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<v Speaker 1>only began to dive into it in nineteen sixty nine

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy, so they had a lot of catching up

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<v Speaker 1>to do. Samsung continued to expand the types of electronics

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<v Speaker 1>it produced in the nineteen eighties, like I said, with

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<v Speaker 1>air conditioners and microwaves starting off, but by nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 1>three the company also began to get into the personal

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<v Speaker 1>computer business. The very first Samsung computer was the SPC

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<v Speaker 1>one thousand, which came out in March nineteen eighty three,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was an eight bit personal comput which looked

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<v Speaker 1>more like a giant electronic typewriter. It had sixty four

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<v Speaker 1>whole kilobytes of RAM and before megahertz processor. Yeah it was.

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<v Speaker 1>From the time it was, you know, it was good,

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<v Speaker 1>but by today's standards it is it is almost laughably underpowered.

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<v Speaker 1>But we have Moore's law to thank for that. The

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<v Speaker 1>computer included the keyboard, a game pad, external disk drives,

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<v Speaker 1>and a TV like monitor and you would hook them

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<v Speaker 1>all up and then you'd be able to run stuff

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<v Speaker 1>using the DOS operating system. Good times in nineteen eighty four,

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<v Speaker 1>Samsung began to export VCRs to the United States. And

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<v Speaker 1>I've covered VCRs in the past, including a deep dive

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<v Speaker 1>on the format wars between VHS and Betamax, so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to really dive into it again. Here you

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<v Speaker 1>can listen to that classic episode of tech Stuff if

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<v Speaker 1>you like. And in nineteen eighty six, Samsung created what

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<v Speaker 1>was then the smallest videotape recorder, a four millimeter videotape recorder.

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<v Speaker 1>By the end of the nineteen eighties, the company's products

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<v Speaker 1>could be found on store shelves around the world, so

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<v Speaker 1>they really made rapid progress. From the mid seventies up

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<v Speaker 1>to the late eighties, TVs were still leading the way,

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<v Speaker 1>with Samsung's twenty million color television produced in nineteen eighty nine.

0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:24.520
<v Speaker 1>The company developed its first mobile phone handset in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety one, though it would continue to work on the

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<v Speaker 1>software side and the systems side for another year. By

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety two, Samsung had become the global leader in

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<v Speaker 1>producing memory chips for electronics, so essentially RAM and it

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<v Speaker 1>fell only behind Intel for chip making in general, so

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<v Speaker 1>Intel was the number one producer of computer chips In

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety two, and Samsung was number two, again, a

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<v Speaker 1>remarkable story for a company that had only recently started

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<v Speaker 1>to get into electronics at all. Samsung pioneered work in

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<v Speaker 1>building LCD display in the mid nineties, and if you

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<v Speaker 1>listen to my history of TV series, you know that

0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:08.359
<v Speaker 1>the LCD panels really helped push televisions into a new era,

0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:12.320
<v Speaker 1>allowing for a thinner form factor in flat screen TVs.

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<v Speaker 1>Samsung Electronics would end up making millions of dollars by

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<v Speaker 1>licensing LCD panel technology to other companies that became a

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<v Speaker 1>chief source of revenue for the for the Samsung Electronics division.

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<v Speaker 1>Also in nineteen ninety two, Samsung began manufacturing in China

0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:33.359
<v Speaker 1>and producing computer components such as RAM and hard disk drives,

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<v Speaker 1>with a two hundred and fifty megabyte drive released that year,

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<v Speaker 1>which again sounds like nothing at all. Two hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty megabytes. I mean, you can get multi gigs on

0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:45.159
<v Speaker 1>a single flash drive these days, but back then it

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<v Speaker 1>was pretty impressive. Samsung was also producing industrial robots at

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<v Speaker 1>this time and managed to hit the ten million products

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<v Speaker 1>shipped by the end of nineteen ninety two, and by products,

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<v Speaker 1>i'm talking specifically robots they produced ten milli billion industrial

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<v Speaker 1>robots by the end of nineteen ninety two. That's pretty incredible. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a lot more to talk about with Samsung's electronics,

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<v Speaker 1>but before I dive into the next section, let's take

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<v Speaker 1>a quick break to thank our sponsor. In nineteen ninety three,

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<v Speaker 1>Samsung's Advanced Institute of Technology, also known as SAIT or SAT,

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<v Speaker 1>developed the first digital versatile disc recorder or dvd R device.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I mean it couldn't have been the DVD

0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:40.040
<v Speaker 1>we all know, because that didn't exist in nineteen ninety three.

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<v Speaker 1>That wouldn't be introduced until nineteen ninety five as a

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<v Speaker 1>joint project between Sony and Panasonic. Honestly, I'm not really

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<v Speaker 1>sure how Samsung's device fits into the history of DVDs

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<v Speaker 1>and dvd rs. In particular, I found the entry that

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<v Speaker 1>the company first produced this first DVD R in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety three on Samsung's actual website, so this is according

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<v Speaker 1>to the company itself. But that really strikes me as

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<v Speaker 1>strange because as far as I know, the standard didn't

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<v Speaker 1>really exist until nineteen ninety five. So how do you

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<v Speaker 1>produce a product two years before you've figured out the standard.

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<v Speaker 1>It's possible that the entry is erroneous, but it did

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<v Speaker 1>come from Samsung itself, so I thought it would include it, so,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, grain of salt. It may very well be

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<v Speaker 1>that they produced a DVDR on an early version of

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<v Speaker 1>what would become the standard in ninety five, but it

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<v Speaker 1>just seems a bit early to me. Totally possible, just

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<v Speaker 1>something that I did not hear about when I was

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<v Speaker 1>researching DVDs years ago. In the mid nineties, Samsung products

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<v Speaker 1>began to number on the top sellers for certain categories

0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:51.879
<v Speaker 1>like LCD screens. Samsung was definitely leading the way there. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>Lee kun He, who was a son of Li b

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<v Speaker 1>yung Chol. Remember I said Lie Byung Chol had ten children. Well,

0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:02.919
<v Speaker 1>Lee kun He, the third son. He would join the

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<v Speaker 1>International Olympic Committee in the mid nineties, and that move

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<v Speaker 1>is really important to note because it illustrates how critical

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<v Speaker 1>a role Samsung was to the country and economy of Korea,

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<v Speaker 1>and it also showed how critical the Lee family was

0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:23.840
<v Speaker 1>and how strong their political influence was at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a lot more to say about that. Toward

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<v Speaker 1>the end of this episode. In ninety four, Samsung unveiled

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<v Speaker 1>the first four power zoom camera that came from Samsung Aeronautics,

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<v Speaker 1>and in nineteen ninety five, Samsung launched the Samsung Entertainment Group.

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<v Speaker 1>That same year site you know sait showed off a

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<v Speaker 1>real time MPEG three technology. And then there was a

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<v Speaker 1>story from that same year or around ninety five. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess that Lee Kunhe, who again was the head of

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<v Speaker 1>Samsung Electronics at that time and in fact still is today,

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<v Speaker 1>ordered an entire your inventory of smartphones destroyed because they

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<v Speaker 1>apparently did not work properly. So the story was that

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<v Speaker 1>an early smartphone really an internet connected phone, it wasn't

0:22:13.320 --> 0:22:17.240
<v Speaker 1>a smartphone the way we would imagine today, didn't work

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<v Speaker 1>properly as it came out of production, and so rather

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<v Speaker 1>than trying to fix the inventory, leekhen He just ordered

0:22:26.400 --> 0:22:30.080
<v Speaker 1>them all to be burned. Samsung obviously didn't give up

0:22:30.080 --> 0:22:33.040
<v Speaker 1>on the mobile business, and in fact, eventually the mobile

0:22:33.040 --> 0:22:36.040
<v Speaker 1>business would become one of the most profitable divisions within

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<v Speaker 1>the country the year twenty sixty notwithstanding, and in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety six, the company produced what it claimed to be

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<v Speaker 1>the fastest central processing unit chip, the fastest CPU. They

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<v Speaker 1>called it the Alpha. In nineteen ninety seven, South Korea,

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<v Speaker 1>along with countries like Indonesia, Thailand, and the Philippines, were

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<v Speaker 1>all caught in a terrible financial crisis. It began in

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<v Speaker 1>Thailand with the collapse of Thailand's national currency, and that

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<v Speaker 1>created a sort of ripple effect, and South Korea was

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<v Speaker 1>caught in it. In fact, you could argue caught some

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<v Speaker 1>of the worst of it, with national debts surging as

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<v Speaker 1>a result. Samsung was affected by this problem just like

0:23:17.720 --> 0:23:20.760
<v Speaker 1>other companies were, although Samsung was in good position to

0:23:20.840 --> 0:23:23.160
<v Speaker 1>be able to weather the storm better than a lot

0:23:23.200 --> 0:23:28.200
<v Speaker 1>of its competitors. According to the company's website, Samsung reduced

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<v Speaker 1>the number of affiliated companies to forty five, which is

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<v Speaker 1>still an enormous number of affiliates, right, I mean, that's

0:23:35.119 --> 0:23:39.080
<v Speaker 1>a big conglomerate, and keep in mind this is family

0:23:39.200 --> 0:23:42.919
<v Speaker 1>owned businesses. The company ended up laying off about fifty

0:23:43.160 --> 0:23:47.840
<v Speaker 1>thousand employees and sold ten business units. And one of

0:23:47.840 --> 0:23:51.080
<v Speaker 1>the businesses Samsung sold off was its motor vehicle business

0:23:51.840 --> 0:23:54.280
<v Speaker 1>or it used to be Samsung Motors, but the company

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<v Speaker 1>sold off its interest to Renault at a big loss. Renault.

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<v Speaker 1>Samsung is mostly owned by Renault, like eighty percent ownership

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<v Speaker 1>and less than twenty percent of that ownership falls to Samsung.

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<v Speaker 1>In the late nineteen nineties, Samsung began to produce larger

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<v Speaker 1>LCD screens and they ushered in a new era of

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<v Speaker 1>large flat screen televisions and monitors, and they also started

0:24:16.760 --> 0:24:21.000
<v Speaker 1>mass producing digital televisions. The semiconductor branch of the company

0:24:21.080 --> 0:24:24.760
<v Speaker 1>was busy creating RAM and flash based chips, and in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety nine, Samsung launched a smartphone. This would be

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<v Speaker 1>a true Internet capable mobile phone handset. But keep in

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<v Speaker 1>mind again, nineteen ninety nine smartphones are not the same

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<v Speaker 1>thing as the smartphones of today. You're still talking about

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<v Speaker 1>pretty simple form factors, not the big touch screens that

0:24:42.240 --> 0:24:46.800
<v Speaker 1>we think about when we use smartphones these days. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the turn of the millennium, you know, around two thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>Samsung got into the HDTV game. High definition television was

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<v Speaker 1>still pretty young. I mean, it had been pioneered in

0:24:56.480 --> 0:25:00.720
<v Speaker 1>the nineties, but two thousand was when consumers were starting

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<v Speaker 1>to really look at HDTV for the first time in

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<v Speaker 1>a serious way, and Samsung was able to secure a

0:25:06.440 --> 0:25:10.440
<v Speaker 1>spot among giants in the industry like Panasonic and Sony.

0:25:11.080 --> 0:25:13.840
<v Speaker 1>Samsung Television's remained one of the top brands on the market,

0:25:13.880 --> 0:25:17.399
<v Speaker 1>so it's a real triumph for the company to get

0:25:17.720 --> 0:25:21.600
<v Speaker 1>their products right next to these other big name brands,

0:25:22.200 --> 0:25:27.080
<v Speaker 1>considering that they had a much much shorter history in

0:25:27.119 --> 0:25:32.880
<v Speaker 1>the consumer electronics field. Through sheer willpower and lots of investments,

0:25:33.000 --> 0:25:35.520
<v Speaker 1>they were able to do this. By two thousand and one,

0:25:35.600 --> 0:25:40.240
<v Speaker 1>the company's subsidiary, Samsung Techwin would become the supplier for

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<v Speaker 1>engine parts for the Airbus A three eighty and for

0:25:44.040 --> 0:25:47.800
<v Speaker 1>the Boeing seven eighty seven, so they also were doing

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of business to business deals. In two thousand

0:25:51.640 --> 0:25:56.720
<v Speaker 1>and five, Samsung became the largest producer of LCD panels globally.

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<v Speaker 1>The following year, two thousand and six, Samsung and Sony

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<v Speaker 1>he formed a deal in which Samsung would supply Sony

0:26:02.960 --> 0:26:07.560
<v Speaker 1>with LCD panels, and this partnership was almost fifty to fifty,

0:26:08.359 --> 0:26:15.280
<v Speaker 1>almost Samsung owned one share more than Sony did, and

0:26:15.359 --> 0:26:18.840
<v Speaker 1>in twenty eleven, Samsung would buy out Sony's steak in

0:26:18.880 --> 0:26:22.280
<v Speaker 1>this partnership and take over the business completely. As for

0:26:22.320 --> 0:26:25.560
<v Speaker 1>the mobile phones, Samsung really joined the fray in twenty

0:26:25.600 --> 0:26:28.480
<v Speaker 1>ten when it launched the Galaxy S that was its

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<v Speaker 1>first flagship Android phone. Since that time, Samsung and Apple

0:26:33.760 --> 0:26:38.480
<v Speaker 1>would engage in numerous court battles around the world over

0:26:38.560 --> 0:26:42.320
<v Speaker 1>various patents and designs, with each side accusing the other

0:26:42.480 --> 0:26:46.760
<v Speaker 1>of copying the first one. So Apple would say Samsung

0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:49.439
<v Speaker 1>copied us in this way, Samsung would say Apple copied

0:26:49.480 --> 0:26:54.119
<v Speaker 1>us in this way, and these got really complicated and enormous.

0:26:55.560 --> 0:26:59.080
<v Speaker 1>We went into some detail of the story in an

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<v Speaker 1>episode called The Past in Wars, which came out in

0:27:01.280 --> 0:27:06.280
<v Speaker 1>twenty eleven, but obviously those have continued since then. Samsung

0:27:06.359 --> 0:27:10.200
<v Speaker 1>also manufactured the first popular consumer tablet running on Android

0:27:10.200 --> 0:27:13.399
<v Speaker 1>in twenty ten. That was the Galaxy Tab, and it

0:27:13.440 --> 0:27:16.760
<v Speaker 1>began to experiment with smart televisions. Those are TVs that

0:27:16.800 --> 0:27:20.160
<v Speaker 1>pull in content directly from the Internet. You probably are

0:27:20.160 --> 0:27:22.960
<v Speaker 1>familiar with the many of you may have a smart TV.

0:27:24.200 --> 0:27:27.560
<v Speaker 1>I your humble host, am still falling behind the times

0:27:27.600 --> 0:27:29.960
<v Speaker 1>as my TV is not smart, but I got a

0:27:29.960 --> 0:27:33.879
<v Speaker 1>lot of smart stuff connected to it. Anyway. In twenty twelve,

0:27:34.760 --> 0:27:39.200
<v Speaker 1>Samsung actually overtook Nokia or Nokia if you prefer it's

0:27:39.240 --> 0:27:43.000
<v Speaker 1>definitely not Nokia as the number one production company for

0:27:43.080 --> 0:27:45.640
<v Speaker 1>mobile phones. So this is a big deal for Samsung

0:27:45.720 --> 0:27:49.920
<v Speaker 1>to overtake the giant Nokia in twenty twelve. The company

0:27:50.080 --> 0:27:52.919
<v Speaker 1>is a true powerhouse in Korea. It accounts for it

0:27:53.200 --> 0:27:58.680
<v Speaker 1>almost fifteen percent of the gross domestic product in Korea

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<v Speaker 1>back in twenty twelve. And in case you're rusty on

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<v Speaker 1>your economic terms, gross domestic product refers to the total

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<v Speaker 1>value of goods and services originating from inside a country

0:28:09.800 --> 0:28:14.840
<v Speaker 1>within one year. So Samsung's business accounted for fifteen percent

0:28:15.359 --> 0:28:20.480
<v Speaker 1>of all of Korea's GDP in twenty twelve. That is enormous.

0:28:20.520 --> 0:28:23.439
<v Speaker 1>There's no company in the United States that comes close

0:28:23.480 --> 0:28:28.320
<v Speaker 1>to that, and the overall company has an employee base

0:28:28.359 --> 0:28:34.560
<v Speaker 1>of nearly half a million people. Huge, huge, huge company.

0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:37.800
<v Speaker 1>Now they now focus on just a few core businesses,

0:28:37.840 --> 0:28:41.920
<v Speaker 1>which include mobile technology, electronics, and biopharmaceuticals, among a couple

0:28:41.960 --> 0:28:45.000
<v Speaker 1>of others. It really is big. It is the third

0:28:45.240 --> 0:28:49.440
<v Speaker 1>largest company in the world by revenue, and it holds

0:28:49.480 --> 0:28:53.520
<v Speaker 1>more US patents than any other company. It's also involved

0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:57.280
<v Speaker 1>in emerging markets, including stuff like virtual reality and wearables.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and there's some notable stories about some of the

0:29:00.400 --> 0:29:02.560
<v Speaker 1>Samsung products that are out there. You know, some things

0:29:02.560 --> 0:29:05.280
<v Speaker 1>that suffered a couple of issues. Let's talk about the

0:29:05.280 --> 0:29:07.920
<v Speaker 1>one that I bet you already know I'm referring to

0:29:08.360 --> 0:29:13.080
<v Speaker 1>it is, in fact, the Samsung Galaxy Note seven. This

0:29:13.200 --> 0:29:16.560
<v Speaker 1>phone became infamous after more than one hundred of the

0:29:16.640 --> 0:29:21.480
<v Speaker 1>handsets were reported to have burst into flames. So what happened, Well,

0:29:21.680 --> 0:29:26.160
<v Speaker 1>the phones have lithium ion batteries, and lithium ion batteries

0:29:26.280 --> 0:29:29.120
<v Speaker 1>are flammable. That's why you're not supposed to put any

0:29:29.160 --> 0:29:33.000
<v Speaker 1>in your luggage that you're gonna store unless you're going

0:29:33.040 --> 0:29:35.520
<v Speaker 1>to check. You know, when you go to an airport,

0:29:35.720 --> 0:29:38.920
<v Speaker 1>you don't check bags have lithium ion batteries in them

0:29:39.160 --> 0:29:44.120
<v Speaker 1>because of the potential danger for fire. So what can

0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:50.000
<v Speaker 1>happen is a short circuit can create this dangerous situation.

0:29:50.080 --> 0:29:52.040
<v Speaker 1>And a short circuit is kind of what it sounds like.

0:29:52.320 --> 0:29:55.000
<v Speaker 1>It's when you create a shortcut in a circuit and

0:29:55.040 --> 0:29:58.680
<v Speaker 1>electrons can flow. The can follow the shortcut rather than

0:29:58.720 --> 0:30:02.800
<v Speaker 1>the path you want them to follow. So the basics

0:30:02.880 --> 0:30:07.080
<v Speaker 1>of electronics is this, we harness electrons to do what

0:30:07.120 --> 0:30:09.240
<v Speaker 1>we want them to do, and we do it through

0:30:09.280 --> 0:30:12.120
<v Speaker 1>making all these different pathways and gates, and as long

0:30:12.160 --> 0:30:15.680
<v Speaker 1>as we've got that working, the electrons can only follow

0:30:15.720 --> 0:30:17.719
<v Speaker 1>the gates and go through the gates that are that

0:30:17.760 --> 0:30:19.600
<v Speaker 1>we allow them to go through, and they don't go

0:30:19.640 --> 0:30:21.320
<v Speaker 1>through the ones we don't allow them to go through.

0:30:21.520 --> 0:30:25.080
<v Speaker 1>Our electronics work. But if we create a shortcut so

0:30:25.160 --> 0:30:28.480
<v Speaker 1>that electrons can jump from one pathway to another directly,

0:30:29.200 --> 0:30:31.960
<v Speaker 1>then we have a problem. Electrons will take that path

0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:35.680
<v Speaker 1>of least resistance, no pun intended, and as a result,

0:30:35.760 --> 0:30:38.959
<v Speaker 1>it starts to heat things up. You've got this extra

0:30:39.160 --> 0:30:41.800
<v Speaker 1>energy being given off in the form of heat. So

0:30:41.920 --> 0:30:46.760
<v Speaker 1>with batteries, if there's a puncture between the positive and

0:30:46.800 --> 0:30:50.360
<v Speaker 1>negative electrodes, you can have a direct change of electrons

0:30:50.560 --> 0:30:53.120
<v Speaker 1>and the material will start to heat up. Well, Lithium

0:30:53.160 --> 0:30:55.560
<v Speaker 1>ion batteries are really flammable, so if they heat up enough,

0:30:55.560 --> 0:30:59.280
<v Speaker 1>they'll burst into flames. Originally, Samsung tried to address this

0:30:59.320 --> 0:31:03.480
<v Speaker 1>problem by replace batteries, but they received reports of several

0:31:03.600 --> 0:31:07.640
<v Speaker 1>replaced handsets also catching fire, so the company was forced

0:31:07.640 --> 0:31:11.080
<v Speaker 1>to issue a full recall on the device, or rather

0:31:11.320 --> 0:31:14.360
<v Speaker 1>they did issue a full recall before the force thing

0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:19.080
<v Speaker 1>became a real necessity. Meanwhile, you started seeing representatives at

0:31:19.120 --> 0:31:22.800
<v Speaker 1>airports telling travelers that they had to surrender any Galaxy

0:31:22.920 --> 0:31:26.200
<v Speaker 1>seven phone before getting on a flight. It was really

0:31:26.240 --> 0:31:29.040
<v Speaker 1>bad PR for the company, and Samsung is still kind

0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:32.000
<v Speaker 1>of dealing with that to some extent, although it's already

0:31:32.040 --> 0:31:35.480
<v Speaker 1>starting to slack off a little bit because now we've

0:31:35.480 --> 0:31:38.920
<v Speaker 1>got the Samsung Galaxy S eight coming out as I

0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:42.720
<v Speaker 1>record this podcast, early reviews are coming out about this

0:31:42.880 --> 0:31:46.000
<v Speaker 1>new phone, and most of the reviews I've seen have

0:31:46.080 --> 0:31:49.240
<v Speaker 1>been generally positive. The new phone has a twelve megapixel

0:31:49.280 --> 0:31:52.200
<v Speaker 1>camera on the back and an eight megapixel forward facing camera,

0:31:52.640 --> 0:31:55.760
<v Speaker 1>and Samsung has introduced a personal assistant similar to Siri

0:31:55.920 --> 0:31:58.560
<v Speaker 1>or Alexa called Bixby, which I think is kind of

0:31:58.600 --> 0:32:02.200
<v Speaker 1>adorable and it also the new phone has an iris

0:32:02.280 --> 0:32:05.000
<v Speaker 1>scanner so that you can use that for authentication. You

0:32:05.000 --> 0:32:07.440
<v Speaker 1>can go totally James Bond with your phone. That's pretty cool.

0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:12.160
<v Speaker 1>So the company is still producing these gadgets, not like

0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:16.240
<v Speaker 1>they've backed off after the problem with the Galaxy seven,

0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:20.000
<v Speaker 1>but that was really bad PR for them. I should

0:32:20.000 --> 0:32:22.640
<v Speaker 1>also say that before I get into the next section,

0:32:22.760 --> 0:32:27.720
<v Speaker 1>which is largely about the behind the scenes at Samsung

0:32:27.920 --> 0:32:34.040
<v Speaker 1>and the incredibly complex political struggles within the Lee family,

0:32:34.720 --> 0:32:39.760
<v Speaker 1>that Samsung makes some awesome products. I have several Samsung

0:32:39.800 --> 0:32:42.680
<v Speaker 1>products myself, So while I'm going to talk a lot

0:32:42.800 --> 0:32:48.320
<v Speaker 1>about some of the controversies behind Samsung. I don't want

0:32:48.360 --> 0:32:51.560
<v Speaker 1>that to come across as me slagging the company as

0:32:51.600 --> 0:32:54.320
<v Speaker 1>a whole. I think that there are a lot of

0:32:54.400 --> 0:32:59.040
<v Speaker 1>really good Samsung products out there, but it is really

0:32:59.120 --> 0:33:03.000
<v Speaker 1>fascinating to take a look at the family behind the

0:33:03.040 --> 0:33:08.600
<v Speaker 1>company and their relationships with one another. Because you know,

0:33:08.760 --> 0:33:11.920
<v Speaker 1>this is some game of throne stuff, and I'm not kidding.

0:33:13.000 --> 0:33:16.320
<v Speaker 1>You should probably grab some popcorn and I'm gonna take

0:33:16.320 --> 0:33:27.760
<v Speaker 1>a quick break to thank our sponsor. Let's get back

0:33:27.800 --> 0:33:33.120
<v Speaker 1>to Lee Byung Choll's legacy. His is a complicated story.

0:33:33.560 --> 0:33:35.800
<v Speaker 1>I talked about him a lot in the last episode

0:33:35.800 --> 0:33:39.360
<v Speaker 1>and about his dreams for Samsung and how he wanted

0:33:39.480 --> 0:33:43.280
<v Speaker 1>his company to be a contributor to Korea's economy and

0:33:43.360 --> 0:33:47.920
<v Speaker 1>help the country create an industry of its own. But

0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:52.000
<v Speaker 1>it's not as simple as that or as heroic. Necessarily,

0:33:52.200 --> 0:33:58.600
<v Speaker 1>there's some complications to the tale. He was really intent

0:33:59.000 --> 0:34:01.760
<v Speaker 1>on the success of his company even as you saw

0:34:01.800 --> 0:34:06.959
<v Speaker 1>regime changes. He even led Samsung from Japan. He was

0:34:07.080 --> 0:34:11.160
<v Speaker 1>in Japan when there was the coupdata where Park Chunghi,

0:34:12.080 --> 0:34:17.320
<v Speaker 1>the military general, took control of of the Korean government.

0:34:19.800 --> 0:34:24.640
<v Speaker 1>This was partially because lib Byung chung had developed a

0:34:24.680 --> 0:34:28.480
<v Speaker 1>beneficial relationship with the former leadership of South Korea. You

0:34:28.520 --> 0:34:31.279
<v Speaker 1>know that US backed president that was in charge of

0:34:31.280 --> 0:34:35.920
<v Speaker 1>South Korea before the coup. Data, Well, Yung Chull was

0:34:36.560 --> 0:34:41.600
<v Speaker 1>buddy buddy with that president and had worked very closely

0:34:41.920 --> 0:34:45.759
<v Speaker 1>in order to ensure Samsung's success and the growth of

0:34:45.800 --> 0:34:50.200
<v Speaker 1>the Korean economy. So some would argue that perhaps this

0:34:50.600 --> 0:34:55.600
<v Speaker 1>was evidence of corruption, that perhaps Samsung had been buttering

0:34:55.719 --> 0:35:01.200
<v Speaker 1>up the Korean government or preferential treatment. So because there

0:35:01.239 --> 0:35:04.160
<v Speaker 1>was a coup a'tah where one regime was replacing another,

0:35:05.040 --> 0:35:09.400
<v Speaker 1>that put Yung chul in a delicate situation. Also, according

0:35:09.440 --> 0:35:12.680
<v Speaker 1>to at least some journalist reports, although I have not

0:35:12.800 --> 0:35:17.080
<v Speaker 1>been able to completely verify this, he was in Japan

0:35:17.120 --> 0:35:20.800
<v Speaker 1>at the time, staying at the house of his Japanese wife.

0:35:22.160 --> 0:35:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Back in Korea he had a wife as well, a

0:35:25.040 --> 0:35:29.960
<v Speaker 1>different one at the same time, So according to this journalist,

0:35:30.000 --> 0:35:33.600
<v Speaker 1>he kept two households, one in each nation and was

0:35:33.640 --> 0:35:36.799
<v Speaker 1>practically open about it, or at least didn't go to

0:35:36.840 --> 0:35:39.240
<v Speaker 1>great links to hide it. Again, according to the journalist

0:35:39.320 --> 0:35:43.240
<v Speaker 1>I was reading, but he did return to Korea after

0:35:43.320 --> 0:35:45.480
<v Speaker 1>he was given assurances that he wouldn't be put on

0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:48.359
<v Speaker 1>trial for corruption charges, and again, to be fair, those

0:35:48.440 --> 0:35:52.480
<v Speaker 1>charges wouldn't necessarily be accurate. You know, Samsung had flourished

0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:55.680
<v Speaker 1>under that previous regime, and now you had a new

0:35:55.760 --> 0:35:58.440
<v Speaker 1>regime in place, and that new regime is trying to

0:35:58.480 --> 0:36:02.520
<v Speaker 1>wipe out everything from the previous one away, trying to

0:36:02.520 --> 0:36:05.320
<v Speaker 1>start with a clean slate. So it was a tricky time.

0:36:05.880 --> 0:36:09.359
<v Speaker 1>You could argue that perhaps there was some evidence that

0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:13.200
<v Speaker 1>he had colluded with the president, or maybe it was

0:36:13.440 --> 0:36:16.800
<v Speaker 1>just that, as the story goes, that he was trying

0:36:16.880 --> 0:36:19.759
<v Speaker 1>very hard to make Samsung a power player in the

0:36:20.040 --> 0:36:25.480
<v Speaker 1>East Asian economy. Now, General Park Chunghi gave Samsung some

0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:29.960
<v Speaker 1>preferential treatment that really is beyond question, and also a

0:36:30.000 --> 0:36:32.960
<v Speaker 1>few other Korean companies received this kind of preferential treatment.

0:36:33.239 --> 0:36:36.240
<v Speaker 1>This was in order to encourage an era of industrialization

0:36:36.280 --> 0:36:40.000
<v Speaker 1>and modernization, but the government made out pretty well too

0:36:40.200 --> 0:36:42.759
<v Speaker 1>as a result. So from one point of view, you

0:36:42.760 --> 0:36:45.680
<v Speaker 1>could argue that Samsung had managed to nuzzle up to

0:36:45.719 --> 0:36:48.600
<v Speaker 1>one leader then turn around to get buddy buddy with

0:36:48.680 --> 0:36:52.200
<v Speaker 1>the next one in order to maintain its advantage. But

0:36:52.360 --> 0:36:55.440
<v Speaker 1>from a different point of view, you could say Samsung

0:36:55.520 --> 0:36:57.680
<v Speaker 1>was able to lead the charge in bringing Korea up

0:36:57.719 --> 0:37:00.279
<v Speaker 1>to speed with the rest of the industrialized world in

0:37:00.320 --> 0:37:03.200
<v Speaker 1>a very short span of time. So again I'm not

0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:07.080
<v Speaker 1>trying to demonize Li b yung Chol, but I'm also

0:37:07.480 --> 0:37:11.399
<v Speaker 1>not shying away from the fact that this is complicated. Now,

0:37:11.400 --> 0:37:14.880
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen sixty seven, Lie byung Chung had to officially

0:37:14.920 --> 0:37:18.880
<v Speaker 1>resign as chairman of Samsung. This was due to a

0:37:19.000 --> 0:37:23.880
<v Speaker 1>charge that his second son, Li Changhi, had been smuggling

0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:29.600
<v Speaker 1>saccharin into Korea. So this scandal breaks out, Li byung Chung,

0:37:29.880 --> 0:37:33.680
<v Speaker 1>as part of this news break of his second son

0:37:33.840 --> 0:37:37.920
<v Speaker 1>being part of a smuggling operation, announces that he will

0:37:37.960 --> 0:37:43.320
<v Speaker 1>step down as the head of Samsung Group, and thus

0:37:43.800 --> 0:37:47.359
<v Speaker 1>control of the company passed, as is tradition in South

0:37:47.400 --> 0:37:52.600
<v Speaker 1>Korea to the eldest son that was Limanghi. Now, keep

0:37:52.640 --> 0:37:55.799
<v Speaker 1>in mind, Samsung Group is a company of companies, and

0:37:55.840 --> 0:38:00.000
<v Speaker 1>we're talking around eighty companies at this point. But found

0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:02.800
<v Speaker 1>under Lee byung Chol still had the power to choose

0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:06.280
<v Speaker 1>which of his children would officially lead the company after

0:38:06.440 --> 0:38:10.400
<v Speaker 1>his death, which is common in Korea. Leadership can remain

0:38:10.480 --> 0:38:14.959
<v Speaker 1>within a family and Biungchol watched as his eldest son

0:38:15.360 --> 0:38:20.040
<v Speaker 1>mag he began to alienate the leadership of the various

0:38:20.080 --> 0:38:24.000
<v Speaker 1>divisions within Samsung, and in fact, according to some reports,

0:38:24.040 --> 0:38:26.359
<v Speaker 1>he had even written that within six months he had

0:38:26.400 --> 0:38:32.600
<v Speaker 1>plunged that upper echelon of executive leadership into chaos. There

0:38:32.600 --> 0:38:35.480
<v Speaker 1>were a lot of reports that Monghi was short tempered

0:38:35.480 --> 0:38:39.279
<v Speaker 1>and ill suited for leadership. Meanwhile, Biong Chol's second son,

0:38:39.680 --> 0:38:44.920
<v Speaker 1>changhe tried to position himself into a power position despite

0:38:44.960 --> 0:38:49.520
<v Speaker 1>his previous scandal of smuggling sacrin by talking to the

0:38:49.719 --> 0:38:53.480
<v Speaker 1>President of South Korea and revealing that byung Chol had

0:38:53.520 --> 0:38:56.920
<v Speaker 1>some slush funds that he was hiding from the government,

0:38:57.200 --> 0:39:01.400
<v Speaker 1>presumably for bribery and other purposes. And this is the

0:39:01.440 --> 0:39:03.919
<v Speaker 1>point where we should really just be humming the Game

0:39:03.960 --> 0:39:06.440
<v Speaker 1>of Thrones theme and probably just keep it up for

0:39:06.480 --> 0:39:10.319
<v Speaker 1>the rest of the episode. So Bijung Chol made a

0:39:10.360 --> 0:39:14.040
<v Speaker 1>decision at that point that the ownership of the Samsung

0:39:14.080 --> 0:39:17.879
<v Speaker 1>group would not go to either of his first two

0:39:18.040 --> 0:39:21.040
<v Speaker 1>sons because he felt that they were both plotting against

0:39:21.080 --> 0:39:23.719
<v Speaker 1>him and would be a bad fit. So instead he

0:39:23.800 --> 0:39:27.480
<v Speaker 1>decided that we should go to the third son. Now,

0:39:27.520 --> 0:39:29.680
<v Speaker 1>as you can imagine, this did not exactly go over

0:39:29.840 --> 0:39:32.880
<v Speaker 1>very well within the Lee family. So in nineteen eighty seven,

0:39:33.440 --> 0:39:36.520
<v Speaker 1>when Byung Choal passed away, the control of his company

0:39:36.520 --> 0:39:41.360
<v Speaker 1>went to his third son, Lee Kunhi. Now, Samsung itself

0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:44.920
<v Speaker 1>is what is called a chebol, which is an institution

0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:50.120
<v Speaker 1>peculiar to South Korea. Essentially, at Chaebol is a large

0:39:50.160 --> 0:39:53.600
<v Speaker 1>conglomerate of businesses that more often than not fall under

0:39:53.680 --> 0:39:57.040
<v Speaker 1>a single family's ownership and leadership. And it can get

0:39:57.120 --> 0:40:01.680
<v Speaker 1>really complicated and be really dea and difficult to suss

0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:06.840
<v Speaker 1>out who owns what percentage of which company, so you

0:40:06.880 --> 0:40:08.680
<v Speaker 1>can make a lot of arguments as to whether or

0:40:08.719 --> 0:40:12.359
<v Speaker 1>not things are on the up and up. Well, Lee

0:40:12.480 --> 0:40:16.520
<v Speaker 1>Kunhi became the head of Samsung Group, and individual businesses

0:40:16.520 --> 0:40:19.600
<v Speaker 1>and divisions fell under the control of some of his siblings.

0:40:20.400 --> 0:40:24.759
<v Speaker 1>You might remember I mentioned earlier that Samsung Group kind

0:40:24.760 --> 0:40:28.279
<v Speaker 1>of broke into four major components at this point, well,

0:40:28.320 --> 0:40:31.920
<v Speaker 1>those components went to other siblings. One of those was

0:40:32.000 --> 0:40:36.480
<v Speaker 1>Lie Monghi. He ended up taking control of the CJ Group.

0:40:36.880 --> 0:40:42.200
<v Speaker 1>You remember I mentioned that earlier. Well, later on much

0:40:42.239 --> 0:40:46.200
<v Speaker 1>later on, like in twenty twelve, Lee Mong he and

0:40:46.239 --> 0:40:49.160
<v Speaker 1>one of his sisters would go on to sue Lee

0:40:49.239 --> 0:40:54.799
<v Speaker 1>Kunhi and Li Monghi was accusing his younger brother of

0:40:54.920 --> 0:40:59.239
<v Speaker 1>hiding shares from the company after their father's death, and

0:40:59.280 --> 0:41:01.759
<v Speaker 1>that it would last couple of years, only coming to

0:41:01.800 --> 0:41:04.840
<v Speaker 1>a close in twenty fourteen when Soul's High Court upheld

0:41:04.840 --> 0:41:08.600
<v Speaker 1>a verdict that said Lee Kunhi was innocent of that.

0:41:08.920 --> 0:41:16.680
<v Speaker 1>Really more, it was more about how the claim of

0:41:16.760 --> 0:41:20.320
<v Speaker 1>any sort of claim you would have or inheritance would

0:41:20.320 --> 0:41:24.600
<v Speaker 1>have expired after ten years had passed from the death

0:41:24.800 --> 0:41:28.520
<v Speaker 1>of Jung Choal and Young Chal died in nineteen eighty seven,

0:41:28.760 --> 0:41:31.719
<v Speaker 1>so by twenty twelve it was far too late. But

0:41:31.760 --> 0:41:34.360
<v Speaker 1>that's not the end of the animosity within the Lee household.

0:41:34.400 --> 0:41:37.960
<v Speaker 1>It actually gets very complicated. So one of Bjung Chol's

0:41:38.000 --> 0:41:42.640
<v Speaker 1>daughters still second generation here, her name was Lee Sok

0:41:43.080 --> 0:41:47.320
<v Speaker 1>still is Li Sok. She married into another family in Korea,

0:41:47.360 --> 0:41:52.080
<v Speaker 1>another prominent family, the kium Sung family. Now the Kiumsung

0:41:52.200 --> 0:41:55.960
<v Speaker 1>family is the head of another chabol namely l G,

0:41:56.560 --> 0:41:59.719
<v Speaker 1>and as LG's electronic business began to flourish, this put

0:41:59.760 --> 0:42:03.840
<v Speaker 1>a brain on relations between the kyum Sung and Lee families,

0:42:04.120 --> 0:42:09.760
<v Speaker 1>so that created some more tension inside the family. Now

0:42:11.080 --> 0:42:14.560
<v Speaker 1>getting into the more complications in this web of relationships

0:42:14.800 --> 0:42:18.080
<v Speaker 1>that were tested after Byung Chol's passing, I need to

0:42:18.120 --> 0:42:21.319
<v Speaker 1>talk about some of the other folks. Lee Chang Hi

0:42:22.239 --> 0:42:25.880
<v Speaker 1>founded a company called Sehan, which was an electronics and

0:42:25.920 --> 0:42:28.600
<v Speaker 1>textiles company. Also made one of the first MP three

0:42:28.680 --> 0:42:32.439
<v Speaker 1>players called the MP Men. Chang Hi would pass away

0:42:32.440 --> 0:42:35.839
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen ninety. I think he was the first of

0:42:35.880 --> 0:42:39.799
<v Speaker 1>Byung Chol's children to pass away, so he only you

0:42:39.800 --> 0:42:43.080
<v Speaker 1>know he lived only three years after his father. Well,

0:42:43.719 --> 0:42:47.840
<v Speaker 1>lie In He one of Byung Chol's daughters, another again

0:42:47.920 --> 0:42:52.840
<v Speaker 1>second generation here, became the leader of Samsung's home furnishing businesses,

0:42:53.600 --> 0:42:59.080
<v Speaker 1>and another one of the daughters, Lie Munghi, would end

0:42:59.160 --> 0:43:03.400
<v Speaker 1>up leading Sam Sung's retail businesses. Both groups of businesses

0:43:03.400 --> 0:43:07.800
<v Speaker 1>would split off from Samsung. The home furnishing business split

0:43:07.840 --> 0:43:10.960
<v Speaker 1>off in nineteen ninety one and the retail business split

0:43:11.000 --> 0:43:14.000
<v Speaker 1>off in nineteen ninety seven. I've got some more to

0:43:14.000 --> 0:43:17.040
<v Speaker 1>talk about with Samsung once we come back from this break.

0:43:17.040 --> 0:43:30.480
<v Speaker 1>To thank our sponsors, So Lee and he founded the

0:43:30.560 --> 0:43:33.640
<v Speaker 1>Hansall Group, which is an electronics production company in paper

0:43:33.680 --> 0:43:39.840
<v Speaker 1>manufacturing business and according to Hansaal they have no connection

0:43:39.960 --> 0:43:42.640
<v Speaker 1>with Samsung Group at all, that there's no ownership connection

0:43:42.719 --> 0:43:46.400
<v Speaker 1>between the two. Lie Mjunghi would go on to found

0:43:46.440 --> 0:43:51.319
<v Speaker 1>the Shinsegay Group that was the department store franchise in

0:43:51.360 --> 0:43:55.719
<v Speaker 1>South Korea, and both of them are very powerful leaders

0:43:55.800 --> 0:44:01.160
<v Speaker 1>in Korea's economy. Then you had CJ Child Judan, which

0:44:01.160 --> 0:44:03.040
<v Speaker 1>is a business that sells all sorts of stuff including

0:44:03.040 --> 0:44:08.000
<v Speaker 1>food and biopharmaceuticals. Lie Maghi, the eldest of Biong Chul's sons,

0:44:08.360 --> 0:44:11.319
<v Speaker 1>led this company and then passed it on to his son,

0:44:12.040 --> 0:44:15.880
<v Speaker 1>Lie jay Hun. So Lee jay Hun is third generation.

0:44:16.200 --> 0:44:20.680
<v Speaker 1>He's a grandson of Biyeung Chung. Lie jay Hun led

0:44:20.880 --> 0:44:24.520
<v Speaker 1>c J Child Judang until twenty fourteen, and then he

0:44:24.600 --> 0:44:27.520
<v Speaker 1>was convicted of charges of theft and embezzlement and sentenced

0:44:27.560 --> 0:44:30.560
<v Speaker 1>to four years in prison. He would not be the

0:44:30.560 --> 0:44:35.080
<v Speaker 1>only Lee to be accused of and convicted for charges

0:44:35.120 --> 0:44:38.600
<v Speaker 1>such as these. In nineteen ninety six, in fact, Lee

0:44:38.719 --> 0:44:42.920
<v Speaker 1>Kunhi he's the guy again the third son of the

0:44:43.000 --> 0:44:46.520
<v Speaker 1>founder who would taken over control of Samsung Group. He

0:44:46.600 --> 0:44:49.880
<v Speaker 1>was accused of and convicted four charges of paying bribes

0:44:49.960 --> 0:44:54.880
<v Speaker 1>to Chundu Huan that was the general who took over

0:44:55.200 --> 0:45:01.880
<v Speaker 1>after Park Chunghi's assassination. So du Huan was a president

0:45:02.000 --> 0:45:07.640
<v Speaker 1>of Korea. South Korea and Lee kun He was convicted

0:45:07.680 --> 0:45:14.880
<v Speaker 1>of charges of bribing the government. He also was accused

0:45:15.000 --> 0:45:21.000
<v Speaker 1>of bribing the successor to Chundu Huan, who was Rot Taiwu.

0:45:21.239 --> 0:45:24.319
<v Speaker 1>So nineteen ninety six was a bad year for Lee

0:45:24.400 --> 0:45:27.399
<v Speaker 1>kun He. He had these charges of bribery for two

0:45:27.600 --> 0:45:30.840
<v Speaker 1>of South Korea's recent presidents. But in nineteen ninety seven,

0:45:31.560 --> 0:45:35.960
<v Speaker 1>the then president of South Korea, Kim yung Sam, this

0:45:36.480 --> 0:45:41.239
<v Speaker 1>was the next successor, granted, couldn't he a pardon? So

0:45:41.440 --> 0:45:44.000
<v Speaker 1>kunn He gets a presidential pardon in nineteen ninety seven

0:45:44.000 --> 0:45:48.040
<v Speaker 1>after being accused of bribing the two previous presidents. By

0:45:48.040 --> 0:45:49.960
<v Speaker 1>the way, at this point, Korea had entered into what

0:45:50.080 --> 0:45:53.840
<v Speaker 1>is called the sixth Republic, which is what it currently

0:45:54.000 --> 0:45:58.880
<v Speaker 1>is in Koreas. In the sixth Republic, the third and

0:45:58.920 --> 0:46:06.160
<v Speaker 1>fourth Republic were Arc Chunghi's presidential administrations. I guess you

0:46:06.160 --> 0:46:09.319
<v Speaker 1>could call it. And then you had the fifth one

0:46:09.400 --> 0:46:15.560
<v Speaker 1>with du Huan and Taiwu. All right, So, Kim Yong

0:46:15.680 --> 0:46:20.760
<v Speaker 1>Sam also pursued charges of corruption and treason against his predecessors,

0:46:21.160 --> 0:46:24.920
<v Speaker 1>du Huan and Taiwu. So the president who granted the

0:46:24.920 --> 0:46:30.520
<v Speaker 1>pardon to Samsung's Kunhi, President of South Korea, also went

0:46:30.560 --> 0:46:34.520
<v Speaker 1>after the two previous presidents of South Korea, but then eventually,

0:46:34.640 --> 0:46:37.880
<v Speaker 1>after having them both convicted, would grant them both a pardon.

0:46:38.480 --> 0:46:42.000
<v Speaker 1>So Samsung's politics are confusing, but so are Koreas, right,

0:46:42.080 --> 0:46:48.480
<v Speaker 1>because you had a current standing president accuse and convict

0:46:48.640 --> 0:46:53.799
<v Speaker 1>two former presidents of corruption charges and then grant them pardons.

0:46:53.840 --> 0:46:58.160
<v Speaker 1>Complicated stuff, all right. So Samsung's Kunhi gets his pardon

0:46:58.200 --> 0:47:01.200
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen ninety seven for those bribers recharges. Then he

0:47:01.280 --> 0:47:05.560
<v Speaker 1>goes back to managing Samsung. He has a son, and

0:47:05.600 --> 0:47:08.799
<v Speaker 1>he had three daughters, all of whom attended school in

0:47:08.840 --> 0:47:12.960
<v Speaker 1>the United States. His son, Lee ja Yong also known

0:47:13.040 --> 0:47:17.640
<v Speaker 1>in the West as j y Lee, assumed control of

0:47:17.719 --> 0:47:20.400
<v Speaker 1>fourteen internet venture companies, but they went out of business

0:47:20.440 --> 0:47:23.399
<v Speaker 1>within a year. So that didn't exactly instill a lot

0:47:23.440 --> 0:47:29.880
<v Speaker 1>of enthusiasm because again, the way Samsung operates, the way

0:47:29.960 --> 0:47:34.839
<v Speaker 1>Korea businesses operate, especially in this old family tradition, Jay

0:47:34.960 --> 0:47:40.200
<v Speaker 1>Lee stands to inherit Samsung. His father Kunhee is the

0:47:40.320 --> 0:47:44.440
<v Speaker 1>current leader and would traditionally pass it down to his

0:47:44.880 --> 0:47:49.120
<v Speaker 1>eldest son. Well, Jay Lee is the only son of Kunhi.

0:47:50.760 --> 0:47:54.680
<v Speaker 1>Kunhi's daughter, Lee Yung Jung, is the subject of a

0:47:54.719 --> 0:47:57.960
<v Speaker 1>really tragic story, and he may have heard about this

0:47:58.080 --> 0:48:01.120
<v Speaker 1>because it was big news when it happened. When she

0:48:01.280 --> 0:48:05.000
<v Speaker 1>was twenty six years old, the heiress to the Samsung

0:48:05.080 --> 0:48:09.160
<v Speaker 1>fortune hanged herself in a New York apartment building. Her

0:48:09.200 --> 0:48:12.759
<v Speaker 1>death was international news. She was the daughter of one

0:48:12.760 --> 0:48:15.799
<v Speaker 1>of Korea's wealthiest men, and in Korea, her death was

0:48:15.800 --> 0:48:19.759
<v Speaker 1>originally reported as the result of a car accident. She

0:48:19.920 --> 0:48:22.480
<v Speaker 1>had an avid interest in race cars, and people knew

0:48:22.520 --> 0:48:26.040
<v Speaker 1>that about her, but according to some people close to her,

0:48:26.080 --> 0:48:29.120
<v Speaker 1>she was also prone to bouts of loneliness and depression,

0:48:29.680 --> 0:48:33.480
<v Speaker 1>possibly because she had hoped to marry a man she

0:48:33.520 --> 0:48:36.040
<v Speaker 1>had fallen in love with back in Korea, but she

0:48:36.080 --> 0:48:39.000
<v Speaker 1>had been told by her parents that the man was

0:48:39.080 --> 0:48:43.040
<v Speaker 1>not of the right stature for her to marry, and

0:48:43.080 --> 0:48:46.960
<v Speaker 1>they forbade her from marrying him. Now, the true story

0:48:47.600 --> 0:48:52.760
<v Speaker 1>that led to her suicide is probably not fully known,

0:48:53.000 --> 0:48:57.120
<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure is far more complicated than that simple answer,

0:48:57.560 --> 0:49:02.640
<v Speaker 1>but it was a shocking and tragic that made world headlines.

0:49:03.360 --> 0:49:06.680
<v Speaker 1>In two thousand and eight, Lee kunhe was accused of

0:49:06.840 --> 0:49:10.600
<v Speaker 1>and convicted for tax evasions. So ten years after, a

0:49:10.600 --> 0:49:13.320
<v Speaker 1>little bit more than ten years after his last conviction,

0:49:13.640 --> 0:49:16.480
<v Speaker 1>he gets accused and convicted for another set of crimes.

0:49:17.040 --> 0:49:20.120
<v Speaker 1>The charges said he failed to pay forty five million

0:49:20.239 --> 0:49:23.120
<v Speaker 1>dollars in taxes and he was hit with a fine

0:49:23.160 --> 0:49:27.040
<v Speaker 1>that was nearly ninety million dollars. As a result of

0:49:27.080 --> 0:49:30.200
<v Speaker 1>the scandal, he was forced to resign as chairman of Samsung.

0:49:31.080 --> 0:49:35.080
<v Speaker 1>That put his son, Jay Lee's claim in danger, actually

0:49:35.520 --> 0:49:39.120
<v Speaker 1>because since he had to step down, there was the

0:49:39.200 --> 0:49:41.000
<v Speaker 1>question of whether or not he would be able to

0:49:41.040 --> 0:49:44.560
<v Speaker 1>pass along the ownership of the company to his son.

0:49:45.360 --> 0:49:48.000
<v Speaker 1>But then in two thousand and nine he received another

0:49:48.040 --> 0:49:52.280
<v Speaker 1>presidential pardon for giving him for his conviction of tax evasion,

0:49:52.840 --> 0:49:57.360
<v Speaker 1>and in twenty ten he reassumed leadership of Samsung Electronics.

0:49:57.920 --> 0:50:00.440
<v Speaker 1>All right, let's get back to CJ Group, which again

0:50:00.520 --> 0:50:03.719
<v Speaker 1>spun off from Samsung in the early nineteen nineties. This

0:50:03.880 --> 0:50:05.640
<v Speaker 1>was the part of the company that dealt with food

0:50:05.719 --> 0:50:09.840
<v Speaker 1>and biopharmaceuticals and later got into the entertainment business, forming

0:50:09.960 --> 0:50:15.560
<v Speaker 1>subsidiaries like CJ Media's CJ Entertainment and CJ Internet. Lee

0:50:15.640 --> 0:50:19.640
<v Speaker 1>mong He, remember he was the eldest son of the

0:50:19.640 --> 0:50:23.640
<v Speaker 1>founder of Samsung. He had a son, Lee jay Hun,

0:50:23.840 --> 0:50:26.239
<v Speaker 1>you remember I mentioned him earlier, who became the head

0:50:26.239 --> 0:50:29.279
<v Speaker 1>of CJ Group in two thousand and two. So this

0:50:29.440 --> 0:50:34.000
<v Speaker 1>is a Samsung founder's grandson. Lee jay Hun would be

0:50:34.080 --> 0:50:38.279
<v Speaker 1>grandson to Byung Choll, the founder of Samsung. Anyway, in

0:50:38.320 --> 0:50:42.560
<v Speaker 1>twenty thirteen, Lee jay Hun was arrested on charges of

0:50:42.960 --> 0:50:45.759
<v Speaker 1>tax evasion and embezzlement, so you might be sen sing

0:50:45.840 --> 0:50:49.640
<v Speaker 1>a theme here. He would also eventually receive a pardon

0:50:49.760 --> 0:50:53.080
<v Speaker 1>from the president in twenty sixteen. As for mong He,

0:50:53.360 --> 0:50:57.120
<v Speaker 1>the eldest son, he passed away in twenty fifteen, the

0:50:57.239 --> 0:51:01.799
<v Speaker 1>second of Biongchull's children to pass on. Now, of course,

0:51:01.840 --> 0:51:04.719
<v Speaker 1>this is not where the story ends. You have probably

0:51:04.760 --> 0:51:07.920
<v Speaker 1>heard about a scandal that is sweeping South Korea that

0:51:08.040 --> 0:51:11.320
<v Speaker 1>hit worldwide news in twenty sixteen. It is often referred

0:51:11.320 --> 0:51:15.480
<v Speaker 1>to as the Choice Sunsil scandal. Samsung is caught up

0:51:15.520 --> 0:51:18.400
<v Speaker 1>in that as well as lots of other companies and entities.

0:51:18.400 --> 0:51:21.600
<v Speaker 1>So what is the scandal all about? Oh boy, I

0:51:21.640 --> 0:51:23.680
<v Speaker 1>hope you still got some popcorn. Here we go well,

0:51:23.800 --> 0:51:27.600
<v Speaker 1>as you've no doubt gathered from this and the previous podcast.

0:51:27.719 --> 0:51:31.400
<v Speaker 1>Korea's government has had a real rocky time since World

0:51:31.400 --> 0:51:34.359
<v Speaker 1>War Two and even before that, with several leaders doing

0:51:34.440 --> 0:51:37.120
<v Speaker 1>their best to maintain a position of power beyond what

0:51:37.320 --> 0:51:40.840
<v Speaker 1>we're supposed to be legally binding protections for the Korean people.

0:51:41.680 --> 0:51:45.359
<v Speaker 1>Many Korean leaders have been involved in various scandals that

0:51:45.400 --> 0:51:48.640
<v Speaker 1>revolve around bribery and corruption, and honestly, I think it's

0:51:48.640 --> 0:51:51.799
<v Speaker 1>impossible to really lay blame here because the nation of

0:51:51.840 --> 0:51:55.200
<v Speaker 1>Korea has been the subject of so much interference in

0:51:55.200 --> 0:52:00.600
<v Speaker 1>international intrigue, but this particular scandal really stands out. Choi

0:52:00.640 --> 0:52:04.600
<v Speaker 1>Sunsil is the name of a woman. She was the

0:52:04.719 --> 0:52:09.000
<v Speaker 1>daughter of a man named Choi Thai Minh. Thai Minh

0:52:09.080 --> 0:52:14.000
<v Speaker 1>was the head of a sect of South Korean Christians.

0:52:14.600 --> 0:52:18.240
<v Speaker 1>He was formerly a Buddhist and converted to Roman Catholicism,

0:52:19.239 --> 0:52:23.360
<v Speaker 1>and some people call his group a cult. I do

0:52:23.440 --> 0:52:26.200
<v Speaker 1>not know enough about it to give it a term,

0:52:26.280 --> 0:52:30.759
<v Speaker 1>but he'd certainly led a sect of religious followers in

0:52:30.800 --> 0:52:33.840
<v Speaker 1>South Korea. He became friends with and a mentor to

0:52:34.520 --> 0:52:39.480
<v Speaker 1>a woman named Park Gun Hey, and I know I'm

0:52:39.480 --> 0:52:44.480
<v Speaker 1>butchering her name but she was the daughter of Park Chunghi,

0:52:45.040 --> 0:52:49.200
<v Speaker 1>the military general who became the dictator of South Korea

0:52:49.560 --> 0:52:54.160
<v Speaker 1>for many years for the Third and Fourth Republics of Korea.

0:52:54.640 --> 0:52:58.560
<v Speaker 1>Now Park Gun He was elected to the position of

0:52:58.640 --> 0:53:03.240
<v Speaker 1>president in twenty thirteen, and she was friends with Choice

0:53:03.239 --> 0:53:06.360
<v Speaker 1>Sun Sil not time. Men had passed away in the nineties,

0:53:06.400 --> 0:53:09.239
<v Speaker 1>but his daughter Sun Sil remained very close to Gunhi.

0:53:11.160 --> 0:53:15.880
<v Speaker 1>In twenty sixteen, it became public knowledge that there were

0:53:15.920 --> 0:53:19.000
<v Speaker 1>a string of accusations and arrests that were flooding the

0:53:19.080 --> 0:53:22.600
<v Speaker 1>South Korean government, many of them targeting the people around

0:53:22.680 --> 0:53:26.680
<v Speaker 1>the president herself, and the story unfolded that Sun Sil

0:53:26.800 --> 0:53:30.640
<v Speaker 1>had been using her considerable influence over the president to

0:53:30.719 --> 0:53:34.360
<v Speaker 1>create favorable deals for herself and her family and her friends,

0:53:34.400 --> 0:53:38.080
<v Speaker 1>and that many government officials have been accepting numerous large

0:53:38.160 --> 0:53:42.960
<v Speaker 1>bribes from lots of businesses, including businesses related to Samsung.

0:53:43.960 --> 0:53:48.640
<v Speaker 1>This scandal has rocked South Korea. The president has stepped down,

0:53:48.719 --> 0:53:51.880
<v Speaker 1>she was impeached. She stepped down from the role of president.

0:53:51.920 --> 0:53:56.040
<v Speaker 1>The Prime minister took over. But as for Samsung, this

0:53:56.160 --> 0:53:59.520
<v Speaker 1>led authorities to go investigate Jay Lee, whom I hope

0:53:59.520 --> 0:54:04.480
<v Speaker 1>you'll remember, is Kunhe's son and therefore a grandson of

0:54:04.520 --> 0:54:09.200
<v Speaker 1>the founder Jung Chol So. Jay Lee was serving as

0:54:09.320 --> 0:54:13.760
<v Speaker 1>vice chairman for Samsung Electronics. He's essentially the heir apparent

0:54:14.040 --> 0:54:18.280
<v Speaker 1>to Samsung. He was accused of bribery, among other things,

0:54:18.320 --> 0:54:22.960
<v Speaker 1>and was arrested in January twenty seventeen. The accusations include

0:54:22.960 --> 0:54:26.000
<v Speaker 1>one that says that he made sizable contributions to the

0:54:26.040 --> 0:54:29.560
<v Speaker 1>tune of about thirty five million dollars to two nonprofits

0:54:29.800 --> 0:54:33.960
<v Speaker 1>that Choi Sunsil allegedly controls Now the story is still

0:54:34.040 --> 0:54:36.200
<v Speaker 1>unfolding at this time of the recording, and so the

0:54:36.200 --> 0:54:39.759
<v Speaker 1>future of Samsung leadership remains an open question. It could

0:54:39.760 --> 0:54:43.160
<v Speaker 1>turn out that it has merit and that Jay Lee

0:54:43.239 --> 0:54:46.239
<v Speaker 1>will be convicted of these charges. It could turn out

0:54:46.239 --> 0:54:49.239
<v Speaker 1>that we see yet another presidential pardon come out and

0:54:50.280 --> 0:54:55.440
<v Speaker 1>absolve him of these charges. Who knows. One possible successor

0:54:56.080 --> 0:55:00.200
<v Speaker 1>to the Samsung empire could be Kun He's daughter, Li

0:55:00.360 --> 0:55:04.120
<v Speaker 1>Bu Jing. She is sometimes referred to as Little Kunhi

0:55:04.200 --> 0:55:07.680
<v Speaker 1>by the Korean public. She's the president of Hotel Shila

0:55:08.120 --> 0:55:11.800
<v Speaker 1>and co president of Samsung Everland, which is a company

0:55:11.800 --> 0:55:16.520
<v Speaker 1>that oversees Korea's oldest amusement Park under the umbrella of

0:55:16.680 --> 0:55:19.840
<v Speaker 1>Child Industries. Now, if you listen to part one of

0:55:19.880 --> 0:55:22.840
<v Speaker 1>the Samsung story, you might remember I mentioned Child Industries

0:55:22.840 --> 0:55:26.640
<v Speaker 1>in that episode. It started off as a very humble business.

0:55:26.640 --> 0:55:30.040
<v Speaker 1>It was a woolen mill back when Samsung first was

0:55:30.080 --> 0:55:34.600
<v Speaker 1>diversifying in the mid twentieth century. Well, Li Bujin's sister,

0:55:35.160 --> 0:55:39.799
<v Speaker 1>Li SiO Hyun is the other co president of Child Industries,

0:55:39.840 --> 0:55:44.080
<v Speaker 1>so the two sisters sit at the top of that company.

0:55:44.400 --> 0:55:47.200
<v Speaker 1>There was also a recent story where in an effort

0:55:47.239 --> 0:55:49.560
<v Speaker 1>to streamline things, there was a plan to have Child

0:55:49.600 --> 0:55:54.200
<v Speaker 1>Industries acquire Samsung C and T. So that's not the

0:55:54.280 --> 0:55:58.200
<v Speaker 1>overall Samsung company, it's the construction and transportation company that

0:55:59.000 --> 0:56:02.160
<v Speaker 1>was part of Samsung. But Paul Singer, who is an

0:56:02.160 --> 0:56:06.080
<v Speaker 1>investor with more than seven percent ownership of stock and

0:56:06.120 --> 0:56:10.200
<v Speaker 1>Samsung C and T, blocked that plan. He led a

0:56:10.400 --> 0:56:12.319
<v Speaker 1>charge to block it, saying that he felt that the

0:56:12.400 --> 0:56:17.360
<v Speaker 1>nine point four billion dollar stock offer was undervaluing Samsung

0:56:17.440 --> 0:56:20.600
<v Speaker 1>CNT and that shareholders wouldn't be paid a fair amount

0:56:20.680 --> 0:56:25.480
<v Speaker 1>for their ownership. That caused some headaches over on the

0:56:25.520 --> 0:56:28.480
<v Speaker 1>Samsung side. For the leadership for the Lee family, I

0:56:28.480 --> 0:56:32.840
<v Speaker 1>suppose I should say shareholders have pressured Samsung, trying to

0:56:32.840 --> 0:56:35.759
<v Speaker 1>get them to change to a more traditional holding structure,

0:56:36.280 --> 0:56:38.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, like with a board of directors and that

0:56:38.280 --> 0:56:41.919
<v Speaker 1>sort of thing. Many other chabels in Korea have given

0:56:42.000 --> 0:56:44.319
<v Speaker 1>up the ghosts, they have disappeared, They got broken up

0:56:44.320 --> 0:56:47.440
<v Speaker 1>by the government and dispersed and turned into more traditional

0:56:47.480 --> 0:56:53.440
<v Speaker 1>Western style corporations. But Samsung's Lee family has not followed suit,

0:56:53.600 --> 0:56:56.400
<v Speaker 1>and they have been putting up resistance to this and

0:56:56.480 --> 0:56:59.279
<v Speaker 1>have said that it's completely unnecessary and in fact would

0:56:59.400 --> 0:57:03.600
<v Speaker 1>end up more harm than good. That's their claim. So

0:57:03.760 --> 0:57:09.239
<v Speaker 1>you could say they are disinclined to acquiesce to such pressures. Well,

0:57:09.480 --> 0:57:12.359
<v Speaker 1>that concludes the Samsung story at least as far as

0:57:12.360 --> 0:57:14.719
<v Speaker 1>twenty seventeen. I need to check and see if I've

0:57:14.719 --> 0:57:17.880
<v Speaker 1>done an update since then. I don't remember doing it.

0:57:17.920 --> 0:57:21.120
<v Speaker 1>But then I publish a lot of episodes, y'all. I

0:57:21.200 --> 0:57:25.400
<v Speaker 1>cannot remember what I published two weeks ago, let alone

0:57:25.440 --> 0:57:27.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, three or four years ago. But I think

0:57:27.680 --> 0:57:30.640
<v Speaker 1>it may very well be time to do an update

0:57:30.680 --> 0:57:32.880
<v Speaker 1>to that if I have not already, So I'll have

0:57:32.920 --> 0:57:35.480
<v Speaker 1>to search the archives and see and if I haven't

0:57:35.480 --> 0:57:38.880
<v Speaker 1>done an update, that has gone on the list. I

0:57:38.920 --> 0:57:41.640
<v Speaker 1>hope you enjoyed this classic episode, and I'll talk to

0:57:41.640 --> 0:57:51.400
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