WEBVTT - Looking Ahead to the 2022 NFL Season with Andrew Brandt

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<v Speaker 1>From the King of Sports Books comes the Key Sports

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<v Speaker 1>podcast Unleashed, presented by the MGM. Here's your host, Jerry

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<v Speaker 1>Ferrara and Olivia Harlan Decker. Let's get a go in.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Unleashed, And you know, all is right in

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<v Speaker 1>the world because Tom Brady is back in camp. So

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<v Speaker 1>there was some speculation Tom Brady was on the Masked Singer.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you buy that one at all? I love that

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<v Speaker 1>conspiracy theory. You know, in the past that wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>bought it, But I don't know. He's so he's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's like a social media guy. Now he's got all this.

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<v Speaker 1>I do kind of buy it, although that would be

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<v Speaker 1>bad for the Mass Singer if that secret got out,

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<v Speaker 1>be good for them. If he actually was on the show,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of buying that. All the loss a tough

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<v Speaker 1>reason to miss camp. I liked it better when he

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<v Speaker 1>was just paid leave, I'm going on vacation. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>like it as much if he was like, oh, I

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<v Speaker 1>took ten days off to go on the Masked Singer. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I know. But the whole thing is just shady. I

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<v Speaker 1>wish you would just say what it is. Because the

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<v Speaker 1>team said it was pre planned that Tom Brady was

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<v Speaker 1>gonna miss eleven days of practice. But I'm not buying

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<v Speaker 1>the vacation story, which NFL player, Even if you are

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Brady decides to take a vacation in August, you

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<v Speaker 1>just you don't do that. But the craziest Tom Brady

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<v Speaker 1>news that broke even after that, is when Dana White,

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<v Speaker 1>did you see this? I worked to put that deal

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<v Speaker 1>together for Brady and Grown to come to the Raiders,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was almost a done deal, and at the

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<v Speaker 1>last minute, Gruden blew the deal up and said that

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't want him, and he broke loose. It was

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<v Speaker 1>crazy and and and Brady was already looking at houses

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<v Speaker 1>and it wasn't being Jeff. The Gronk was coming. So

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<v Speaker 1>last they just would have had Brady and Gronk the

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<v Speaker 1>year that the Bucks won the Super Bowl, except Bruden

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<v Speaker 1>blew the deal. All the whole thing is so shady.

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<v Speaker 1>But gron confirmed it, confirmed it. And what I want

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<v Speaker 1>to know is that was one of the best kept

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<v Speaker 1>secrets in all of the NFL, because you know, no

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<v Speaker 1>one in the media reported that ever. I know, like

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<v Speaker 1>the Raiders at one point, I think we're definitely listed

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<v Speaker 1>as a team before he went to Tampa. So cheers.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess to all the insiders at the Raiders and

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<v Speaker 1>Brady's camp because I never got leaked to my knowledge.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I love Dana White just exposing it all casually.

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<v Speaker 1>I watched that clip a hundred times. I couldn't believe, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the guy I think I want to go to

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<v Speaker 1>dinner with because I feel like he'll tell you everything

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<v Speaker 1>because he just doesn't care. Oh that's a great. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Let's let's play this game. You can pick three people

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<v Speaker 1>in pro sports. Let's say you can sit and have

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<v Speaker 1>a drink with, go to dinner with. Dana White's one

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<v Speaker 1>of yours. Give me two others. Dana White for sure. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because like I said, I feel like Dana White will

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<v Speaker 1>just tell you stuff because like the kids filter, I

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<v Speaker 1>think he's in that like I don't really care territory,

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<v Speaker 1>what you think if I break secrets another one? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I would have said Jeter up until the captain came out,

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<v Speaker 1>And now I feel like I know too much. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna tee up, you know what. I I kind of

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<v Speaker 1>want to maybe man tie tail because I want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk more about what we're seeing on Netflix. And then

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<v Speaker 1>uh yeah, and then I mean selfishly my favorite boxer

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<v Speaker 1>of all time. He's no longer here. I would have

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<v Speaker 1>picked because we didn't say alive or dead. I would

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<v Speaker 1>have picked the Turro Gaddy, one of my favorite fighters

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<v Speaker 1>of all time, and I would have loved to have

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<v Speaker 1>gotten some stories from him. Okay, I want to throw

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<v Speaker 1>one another name in the ring. How about Antonio Brown.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked a lot about him last week. But wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>he be a good dinner date? I think so. You

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<v Speaker 1>definitely would be entertained, you know, But I think I

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<v Speaker 1>think Dana White is definitely on my is my number

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<v Speaker 1>one right now, just because man, what a bomb he

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<v Speaker 1>drop cash? Really crazy crazy. No, that was good. You

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned the Man Tito doc. It is so good. I

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<v Speaker 1>was texting you this weekend. You've got to watch it

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<v Speaker 1>because I I was flabbergasted watching how it played out.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've got a couple issues with the doc, but

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<v Speaker 1>I want to save that for our Unleashed segment that's

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<v Speaker 1>coming up. But you know, we've got a really good

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<v Speaker 1>guest this week. Are you excited for this one? Oh? Yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm ready. Well, it's because we're really start digging into

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<v Speaker 1>the football. So I'm ready. Yeah, And this is the

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<v Speaker 1>guy you want to talk to. It's Andrew Brandt. He's

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<v Speaker 1>seen it all. He's the sports illustrated writer, former Green

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<v Speaker 1>Bay Packers, exact NFL business analyst. It's gonna be great

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<v Speaker 1>to pick his brain leading up to the season, especially

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<v Speaker 1>with stuff that have to do with salary cap and

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<v Speaker 1>contracts and free agents still, and boy, we got a

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<v Speaker 1>lot to get with him on that. But I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>glad that you're sitting in your seat. I'm the one

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<v Speaker 1>who was racing here after my baby's doctor appointment, but

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<v Speaker 1>you were the one with the busier weekend. Tell me

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<v Speaker 1>about the charity golf tournament. Tell me all about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Who do you see there? Yeah, I'm paying for it

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<v Speaker 1>today because you know, weekend awake golfing. My wife's like

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<v Speaker 1>these two kids, Now, what's your name on it? Ready

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<v Speaker 1>waiting for you. You can't be hungover with kids. I've

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<v Speaker 1>learned that. Oh yeah it was. It was in Detroit.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the j R. L A, the Jalen Rose

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<v Speaker 1>Leadership Academy. You know, he built the school literally, Like

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<v Speaker 1>he's accomplished so much in his playing career, in his

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<v Speaker 1>post playing career, and this is arguably one of his

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<v Speaker 1>greatest accomplishments. So I got invited through an old friend,

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<v Speaker 1>fellow Nick fan, Ben Lyons and Olivia. I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>I failed you. I feel like I failed you on

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<v Speaker 1>something because you know, we're doing this show and like

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<v Speaker 1>and you know you're you're a real journalist and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to keep up. I had a moment to do

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<v Speaker 1>some journalism and I completely choked. They were introducing all

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<v Speaker 1>the celebrities that were playing in the golf event. It

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<v Speaker 1>was at Detroit Country Club, Beautiful Club, and it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Calvin Johnson, and there's Droit Bell. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if you remember Joy Bell, one of the last fullbacks.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually remember all these great like Detroit Midwestern legends

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<v Speaker 1>in Houston. So we had some knicks love and they

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<v Speaker 1>called me up and you go shake hands with Jalen Rose,

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<v Speaker 1>and Jalen, being who he is and being super savvy,

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<v Speaker 1>sees me smiles, which some He's like, hey, Scott Perry's

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<v Speaker 1>here playing. We're about to introduce him next, and I

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<v Speaker 1>walked away. I'm like, oh, so they introduced Scott Perry.

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<v Speaker 1>I've met him, like once or twice comes out saying

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<v Speaker 1>little everyone. And I shook hands at Scott Perry and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking. I'm like, this is my moment. I could

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<v Speaker 1>ask him right now, what's going on for real with

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<v Speaker 1>Donovan Mitchell? And I looked him in the eyes and

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<v Speaker 1>I went, how you doing? Mr Perry? Get to see you?

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<v Speaker 1>And I put my head down. I looked at my

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<v Speaker 1>shoes and he kept it moving. I mean, he wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>gonna tell me anything. Anyway. I could have asked a

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<v Speaker 1>hard question. We sent you out there. I mean, if

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<v Speaker 1>you got per diem, I'd be really mad because then

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<v Speaker 1>you'd be actually working. You can't get per diem from

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<v Speaker 1>bet MGM, did you? No? I did not. Bet MGM

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<v Speaker 1>was a prominent sponsor there, especially at the night before party.

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<v Speaker 1>Was really cool at the top golf sweep. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I I journalistically, I failed you, and I feel bad.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I couldn't sneak in any question. I just

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<v Speaker 1>I just didn't feel like it was appropriate, and I

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<v Speaker 1>got I got nervous. I choked. I'll tell you what

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<v Speaker 1>you do in that situation. You kind of you you

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<v Speaker 1>chuck me up and then you ask, but then you

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<v Speaker 1>make it sound like, you know, you're not gonna do

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<v Speaker 1>anything with this information, and then you get on the

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<v Speaker 1>mic and that's when you say an unnamed source in

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<v Speaker 1>the front office told me that's what you did, so

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have to out him. You know. It was

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<v Speaker 1>even so bad every time he like looked at his phone,

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<v Speaker 1>I was kind of I was sidling up. I just

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to be like, who's who's texting you? Is that

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<v Speaker 1>is that Danny Age? Is that Leon wrote? Who who

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<v Speaker 1>just emailed you? What's going on? Is that Fournier? So

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<v Speaker 1>failed you? But it was all in all great event.

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<v Speaker 1>Came in third place on the golf. It's hard to

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<v Speaker 1>imagine that Calvin Johnson was a wide receiver. It's insane.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like one of the biggest human beings I've ever seen.

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<v Speaker 1>I shook his hand and like I think my hand

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<v Speaker 1>like went up to like his thinking it's like my

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<v Speaker 1>forearm just huge, dude. And yeah, I don't think anyone

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<v Speaker 1>could have stopped him in the red zone. That would

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<v Speaker 1>have been a good picture. Your hands side by side,

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<v Speaker 1>that would have been a good picture. Yeah. Well, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going back up to Detroit next week for another golf tournament,

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<v Speaker 1>which might cost me my marriage and Calvin Johnson is

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<v Speaker 1>slated to play so maybe I'll do that picture next

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<v Speaker 1>week and ask him to come on the show. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>love to have him on the show. Oh that I

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<v Speaker 1>already did. I did so joistically, I failed you. But

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<v Speaker 1>podcast sidekick wise, I definitely invited a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>on the podcast. There you go, There you go. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>speaking of your New York fandom and Scott Perry and

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<v Speaker 1>all that, but I always wonder this about people from

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<v Speaker 1>New York. And first of all, as someone who grew

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<v Speaker 1>up in the midwest, New York to me is just

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm so confused with the Burroughs. I'm so confused

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<v Speaker 1>with all of the schools there. There's like a million

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to say lower tier schools, but you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean, like Division two, Division three schools.

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<v Speaker 1>But like your college football fandom probably doesn't run too deep.

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<v Speaker 1>And we are coming up on week zero, the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>game of course being Northwestern in Nebraska. They're playing in Ireland.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really understand that that could have been my

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<v Speaker 1>unleashed but I want to still talk about man titeo.

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<v Speaker 1>But college football does it mean much to you? Do

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<v Speaker 1>you care I do care. Ironically, I definitely care from

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<v Speaker 1>a sports gambling perspective. I think it's it's probably even

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<v Speaker 1>more enjoyable than maybe throwing a few bets than the NFL,

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<v Speaker 1>because it truly is madness. But I'm speaking to all

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<v Speaker 1>the New York City kids. It is tough when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to college sports. Even with basketball. St. John's was

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<v Speaker 1>sort of okay when I was coming up, but in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineties, Rutgers wasn't quite good yet. Syracuse like six

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<v Speaker 1>hours away. I feel like I'm closer to Ohio State

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<v Speaker 1>than Syracuse. Distance was so yeah. I I I've always

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<v Speaker 1>said my collegiate sports teams are up for grabs. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a free agent. I never took to the USC or

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<v Speaker 1>u c l A when I was in l A

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<v Speaker 1>sou And obviously my in laws are trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>me to Ohio State. And maybe that's what I just

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<v Speaker 1>do because I live here now. But it's really hard

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<v Speaker 1>to really care about college sports outside just being a

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<v Speaker 1>sportsman because I have no loyalty zero and I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>really go to a big time college or any college.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah you didn't go to any college. I did go

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<v Speaker 1>to a community college for like a year, I was burned.

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<v Speaker 1>I moved to l A when I was nineteen. I

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<v Speaker 1>was done nineteen. Hey, okay, this actually lends itself exactly

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<v Speaker 1>to my Entourage question. You know, every week for those

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<v Speaker 1>who are just tuning in, I am watching Entourage for

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<v Speaker 1>the first time and loving it, absolutely loving it. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'm watching with a little bit more interest

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<v Speaker 1>because I have you to talk to every week and

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<v Speaker 1>I can ask you all the behind the scenes stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a lot of fun. So my first question is,

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<v Speaker 1>now that I'm getting deeper and more invested in the show,

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<v Speaker 1>did you audition? Did you know these guys before the show?

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<v Speaker 1>I did not. I did not know any of them.

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<v Speaker 1>I was twenty three years old. I was bouncing around

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<v Speaker 1>from show to show. I met Kevin Dillon at one

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<v Speaker 1>of the early I auditioned like twenty five times. I

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<v Speaker 1>met him at one of the early auditions, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was a fan of his from you know, Platoon and

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<v Speaker 1>The Doors. Kevin Dillon has been acting since he was seventeen. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>his brother Matt Dillon tremendous actor. So no, I just

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<v Speaker 1>it was the old process of the old way it

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<v Speaker 1>was done, and it all leads up to this network

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<v Speaker 1>test in front of HBO, and I kind of almost choked.

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<v Speaker 1>It actually was Mark Wahlberg who snapped me out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>I was I did my first run of auditions in

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<v Speaker 1>front of the network and that wasn't very good. And

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<v Speaker 1>he came out and motioned for me. I had never

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<v Speaker 1>met Wahlberg at this point, and he whispered. He was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to let you know you're kind of

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<v Speaker 1>blowing it right now. And I'm like I am. He's

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<v Speaker 1>like yeah, like you know that moment where everyone says,

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<v Speaker 1>this is your time, this is your time. So it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the greatest wake up call and and luckily

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<v Speaker 1>I ended up getting the part. No, I didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>any of those guys. That's a great story. Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you ever tell him how much that meant to you?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, And he claims that He's like, I did

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<v Speaker 1>I did that and like, you know, you don't act

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<v Speaker 1>like you He's like no, He's like he just thought

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<v Speaker 1>I was really nervous. So he's saying he didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to see me lose out because I was just nervous.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh god, Oh that's great. Okay, I have another question.

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<v Speaker 1>When they're smoking weed on the show, are they actually

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<v Speaker 1>smoking weed? I am the perfect person to answer this

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<v Speaker 1>question because it was my character who was always smoking

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<v Speaker 1>or rolling the weed, you know, whenever there's a scene

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<v Speaker 1>not Sometimes it's written in that we're smoking. Sometimes it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>But all actors, even if you're not, even if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't have a lot of lines, you ask for like business,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning like give me an activity while I'm here, so

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not just standing here waiting for these guys to talk.

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<v Speaker 1>My move was always I'm gonna smoke a joint or

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<v Speaker 1>light or roll a blunt or something. So no, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't smoke real weed on the show because a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of times those scenes are at like seven thirty in

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<v Speaker 1>the morning and you have a whole fifteen hour day

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<v Speaker 1>ahead of view. There is this herbal tobacco which is

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<v Speaker 1>not harmful, so they say, obviously it does not get

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<v Speaker 1>you stone, but it looks green and it burns exactly

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<v Speaker 1>like we does. So herbal tobacco. Okay, that that's good

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<v Speaker 1>to know. So anytime you see that most of the time,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean all of the time, most of the time

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<v Speaker 1>on the record. Okay. Another question, why is your character

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<v Speaker 1>named Turtle? I don't think that's been told yet as

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<v Speaker 1>never explained, never explained. I used to always ask Doug

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<v Speaker 1>Allen in the early years. My question was always what's

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<v Speaker 1>Turtle's real name? And he always said, well, we'll reveal

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<v Speaker 1>it in season eight. I don't know yet, and probably

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<v Speaker 1>thinking we never get to season eight. We did get

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<v Speaker 1>the season eight, so his name, his real name, does

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<v Speaker 1>come out. I want room before you never explained why Turtle,

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<v Speaker 1>but I did forget to tell Levi on Bell a

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<v Speaker 1>story that's connected to Entourage and Adrian Peterson. Adrian Peterson,

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<v Speaker 1>as you will see, did a cameo in Entourage playing himself,

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<v Speaker 1>and I met him and I walked up and very

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<v Speaker 1>very nice guy and shook his hand, and it is

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<v Speaker 1>like a vice gript. It is the firmest handshake I've

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<v Speaker 1>ever encountered in my life. We have crew members, big

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<v Speaker 1>burly teamsters and and grips with these big meat hook

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<v Speaker 1>for hands. He was breaking hands left and right, and

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<v Speaker 1>they want to warn Levian Bell like he you know

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<v Speaker 1>obviously you know he's strong, he's got hand. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it was the firmst handshake. It actually hurt. I had

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<v Speaker 1>to like, I had to like bite down not to

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<v Speaker 1>like whimper. So anyway bigger than Calvin Johnson's handshake, not bigger, strongernger,

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<v Speaker 1>just just hurt. It just hurt. Oh my god. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>In my last question, you should see my notes here

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<v Speaker 1>on my phone as I'm watching Entourage, and keep in

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<v Speaker 1>mind I'm usually giving the baby a bottle and typing

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<v Speaker 1>this out. Do they really smoke weed? Exhausting? Okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>that's my Entourage questions for the week. Next week, all

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<v Speaker 1>of more for you because I've got my long flight

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<v Speaker 1>to London and I'm gonna download a bunch of episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm excited. All right, Okay, let's get to our unleash

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<v Speaker 1>because I've got to talk about this out. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>you're what one episode in of the man Tito Doc. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like ten, I'm ten minutes into the episode two

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<v Speaker 1>of the Netflix Dock and what do you think so far?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's funny. Obviously we all know the story.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember it very well. But it just shows you

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<v Speaker 1>how much your perception and memory changes thirteen years later,

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<v Speaker 1>or have it. Like I remember in the moment it

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<v Speaker 1>was this guy's in on it, what a fraud? I

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<v Speaker 1>remember that being the story and I'm not saying that's

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<v Speaker 1>what I believed, but I did remember not having sympathy,

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<v Speaker 1>not as much sympathy for him on that end of it.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know his grandmother passing was obviously real and devastating,

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<v Speaker 1>but watching that first episode, I just felt bad for

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<v Speaker 1>the guy. You know. Yeah, And so here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>The dead Spin article that broke it, and here's what

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<v Speaker 1>the doc kind of left out. They implied initially that

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<v Speaker 1>Manti was in on it, and they kind of glazed

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<v Speaker 1>over that in the documentary. There wasn't the best reporting.

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<v Speaker 1>It was amazing reporting because they got the scoop when

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<v Speaker 1>everyone else just accepted it. And as people in the media,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a great check, a great lesson to be, like,

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<v Speaker 1>just don't assume everything is fact. In fact, I've heard

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<v Speaker 1>one person say, I forget it's a famous quote. They say, ah,

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<v Speaker 1>even question your mother. Assume your own mother will lie

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<v Speaker 1>to you. And if you're a good reporter, and this

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<v Speaker 1>everyone accepted. It was the storyline of the season. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>he was a Heisman finalist, went to the National Championship,

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<v Speaker 1>all this, but Dead's been even had a quote in

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<v Speaker 1>there that an unnamed source was sure that Manti was

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<v Speaker 1>in on it and that just that's just you can't

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<v Speaker 1>do that. You can't do it. And a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people ran with that. And then you can tell so

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<v Speaker 1>the times. You know, this was ten years ago on

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<v Speaker 1>the Katie Kirk special and she asked are you gay?

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, he's laughing like, no, no, I'm I'm not,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, definitely not. And he's sitting there with his

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<v Speaker 1>parents and it's so awkward and it's so dated because

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that question would be asked now. No,

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm sorry I laughed at that statement that you made.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason why I'm laughing is an unnamed source said

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<v Speaker 1>that they're eighty procedure. I'm just reminded of Paul Rutting

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<v Speaker 1>an anchor man when he's like sixty of the time

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<v Speaker 1>it works every time. Oh my gosh, that's such a

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<v Speaker 1>misleading thing. Yeah, I definitely don't know if that question

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<v Speaker 1>gets asked. Definitely in the second episode when they kind

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<v Speaker 1>of pulled the hole where she pulled, you know, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm still alive, when his girlfriend was saying, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still alive. I'm on the run. That's so I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta all right, what's going on here? You gotta

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<v Speaker 1>know now something's badly wrong. So yeah, I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just such a joke, and I think it's it's really sad, because,

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<v Speaker 1>no doubt about it, Man, Tito is a victim in this.

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<v Speaker 1>And anyone who thinks, oh, come on, you never met her,

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah, keep in mind this kid. He's the oldest

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<v Speaker 1>of seven kids from an island in a very tight

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<v Speaker 1>knit Latter Day Saints community where everything was church and football.

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<v Speaker 1>They were very poor. He couldn't fly to California go

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<v Speaker 1>meet this girl. Stanford because it's a private school. Never

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<v Speaker 1>had to release the records that a student of that

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<v Speaker 1>name even went there, because remember he said she was

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<v Speaker 1>from Stanford, like all this stuff. I feel so badly

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<v Speaker 1>from Antito in this, and I think his career was

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<v Speaker 1>drastically affected, and I wish he could sue, honestly, but

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think they could prove that his draft stock

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<v Speaker 1>tumbled so much because of this. But you certainly could

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<v Speaker 1>look at his performance in the National Championship Game and

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna get this. I don't want to spoil too much,

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<v Speaker 1>but just as you get to this part of the

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<v Speaker 1>story is a lot happens right before this National Championship game,

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<v Speaker 1>and it just so clearly affects him on the field,

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<v Speaker 1>which then so clearly affected his draft. It's just it's horrible,

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<v Speaker 1>And honestly, I think the documentary because they wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>get the other side of the cat fisher Ranaya Tuyasa Sopo,

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<v Speaker 1>who was now a transgender woman. They wanted to get

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<v Speaker 1>her take, and you know, I bet they promised kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a would pro quo, We'll we'll tell your side

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<v Speaker 1>of the story here and be fair. But just as

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<v Speaker 1>I was watching it, I think they went a little

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<v Speaker 1>easy on Rhania now Nya, because I just think it's

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<v Speaker 1>criminal what this person did to Manteo and and his family,

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<v Speaker 1>and he just fell so prey to this. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>my take. I'm standing behind it. I felt so angry

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<v Speaker 1>watching it, so I'm curious, as you keep going what

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<v Speaker 1>you think I just was. I do remember too, when

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<v Speaker 1>he was thinking about coming out junior year and to

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<v Speaker 1>go in the NFL draft. Watching the documentary now, I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, if you just went pro after your June,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, his whole life would have been And you

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<v Speaker 1>know he is married now with a kid, and he

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<v Speaker 1>made a couple of stops in the NFL. I believe

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<v Speaker 1>last year he didn't play anywhere. I think twenty I

0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:48.199
<v Speaker 1>think he was with the Chargers. But oh, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>I was so sick watching this that, you know, regardless

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<v Speaker 1>of Rhania now Naya's journey and you know, all of

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<v Speaker 1>that is fantastic, and I'm so glad that Manti has

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<v Speaker 1>forgiveness in his heart. It just so it makes me

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<v Speaker 1>so mad that he was such a victim and so

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<v Speaker 1>many people made fun of him, ridiculed him, and that

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<v Speaker 1>he lost millions because of what this person did to him,

0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:13.240
<v Speaker 1>and that he was too trusting and really just naive.

0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:18.520
<v Speaker 1>He's just a naive, unworldly kid, to be honest. And oh,

0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:20.920
<v Speaker 1>it is such a good documentary. Though I was gripped.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm finishing it tonight. Okay, all right, well that was

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of fun. Let's go ahead and get to

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<v Speaker 1>our interview. Let's bring in Andrew Brand. He's a former

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<v Speaker 1>executive for the Green Bay Packers a professor of law

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<v Speaker 1>rights for SI dot com. Andrew Brand, thanks so much

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<v Speaker 1>for being here. Good to be with you, guys. Enjoyed

0:20:46.560 --> 0:20:50.160
<v Speaker 1>our chat before we came on here, Yeah, we did. Yes, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>Before the pod. Yeah, I've got to tell you. For

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<v Speaker 1>those who don't know, and Andrew was with the Green

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<v Speaker 1>Bay Packers and my grandfather was there at the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Bob Harlan, and you know booking guests. Andrew is

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<v Speaker 1>way above my pay grade on this show. So I

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<v Speaker 1>was really excited to see you coming on, and I

0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:11.760
<v Speaker 1>told my grandfather you were coming on, and here's what

0:21:11.840 --> 0:21:15.240
<v Speaker 1>he had to say. He said, you are highly, highly intelligent,

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<v Speaker 1>and you did so much good in regards to cap space,

0:21:19.240 --> 0:21:21.880
<v Speaker 1>especially with the Green Bay Packers, so much so that

0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:25.720
<v Speaker 1>he always wanted you to speak at the annual shareholders meeting.

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<v Speaker 1>He thought it was great for the fans to hear

0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:30.000
<v Speaker 1>what you had to say. And he always invited you

0:21:30.040 --> 0:21:33.240
<v Speaker 1>to speak to the quarterly board members meetings because he

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to make sure that everyone heard from your mouth

0:21:36.640 --> 0:21:38.320
<v Speaker 1>all the hard work you were doing. But he just

0:21:38.400 --> 0:21:41.879
<v Speaker 1>had the best things to say about you. That's form

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<v Speaker 1>that warns my heart, Olivia, because he's a he's a

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<v Speaker 1>mentor of mine. He is someone that you come across

0:21:47.480 --> 0:21:50.560
<v Speaker 1>so many people in your life and career they're really

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<v Speaker 1>leave an effect, and he's certainly one. There's a saying

0:21:54.160 --> 0:21:57.239
<v Speaker 1>out there. I think it's by Mark Twain. It's not

0:21:57.359 --> 0:22:00.959
<v Speaker 1>what you say, it's how you make people feel. And

0:22:01.040 --> 0:22:03.680
<v Speaker 1>Bob Harlan, the president of the Packers while I was there,

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<v Speaker 1>really made people feel well. He made people feel good

0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:11.600
<v Speaker 1>about their interactions with him, but about the team, and

0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:16.239
<v Speaker 1>that is an underrated skill that he was so good at.

0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:20.080
<v Speaker 1>Bob Harlan just making people feel like that was a

0:22:20.200 --> 0:22:23.720
<v Speaker 1>nice interaction. He represents the team well. He's a sweetheart

0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:26.720
<v Speaker 1>of a guy. And his wife, Madelene. I mean, they

0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:29.800
<v Speaker 1>were just wonderful ambassadors for the team and still are

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<v Speaker 1>and they were so good to me and my family,

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<v Speaker 1>Madeline to my wife, and it just really it's so

0:22:36.240 --> 0:22:38.680
<v Speaker 1>nice to hear that because I have similar feelings. So

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<v Speaker 1>back at him. Oh man, that's a good story, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>so true as well. I mentioned earlier you handled a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of cap space and negotiations with players in front office,

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<v Speaker 1>and you were kind of the go between for a

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<v Speaker 1>long time with the Packers. And I'm curious as you

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<v Speaker 1>look at a team like the Browns, who obviously Deshaun

0:22:57.280 --> 0:23:00.600
<v Speaker 1>Watson was just served his eleven game suspension five million bucks,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Browns have some cap space, and as I'm

0:23:04.240 --> 0:23:08.119
<v Speaker 1>looking at it, and Jacoby Brissette is a capable quarterback

0:23:08.200 --> 0:23:10.280
<v Speaker 1>and you know, a well liked guy on the team,

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<v Speaker 1>And do they look at what they're investing already at

0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:17.719
<v Speaker 1>the quarterback position, knowing that they still have about forty

0:23:17.720 --> 0:23:20.240
<v Speaker 1>million they have to pay wattson this year, They're still

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<v Speaker 1>paying for the Baker Mayfield trade. Could you see them

0:23:23.320 --> 0:23:27.399
<v Speaker 1>potentially bringing in someone like Jimmy Garoppolo, who's worth a

0:23:27.400 --> 0:23:29.080
<v Speaker 1>lot of money and getting paid a lot of money

0:23:29.119 --> 0:23:32.040
<v Speaker 1>this year, but to take advantage of little cap space

0:23:32.160 --> 0:23:35.280
<v Speaker 1>bring him in and have them be a placeholder for

0:23:35.320 --> 0:23:38.159
<v Speaker 1>eleven games? Or is Jimmy g above that and probably

0:23:38.160 --> 0:23:41.240
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't even be interested. I don't think that's going to happen.

0:23:41.280 --> 0:23:43.800
<v Speaker 1>There's so much unpack with what you asked, Olivia, because

0:23:43.960 --> 0:23:46.639
<v Speaker 1>the Browns have become the story of the off season

0:23:46.840 --> 0:23:49.520
<v Speaker 1>with what they've done. I guess I'll start here. They

0:23:49.640 --> 0:23:53.679
<v Speaker 1>gave the biggest contract, the best contract player wise, in

0:23:53.720 --> 0:23:56.720
<v Speaker 1>the history of the sport to a guy that's now

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<v Speaker 1>suspended for eleven games and accused of this pattern behavior

0:24:00.480 --> 0:24:04.960
<v Speaker 1>over seventeen months where he's seeking sex in lieu massage

0:24:05.600 --> 0:24:09.600
<v Speaker 1>that can resonate with people. I don't understand their cap

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<v Speaker 1>management because they have and had the most cap space

0:24:16.240 --> 0:24:19.560
<v Speaker 1>in the NFL, yet they continue to do contracts in

0:24:19.600 --> 0:24:22.919
<v Speaker 1>a way that is pushing out cap. In other words,

0:24:23.240 --> 0:24:26.520
<v Speaker 1>they do a big signing bonus which is peraded throughout

0:24:26.520 --> 0:24:30.520
<v Speaker 1>the life of the contract, small salary, so they keep

0:24:30.560 --> 0:24:33.879
<v Speaker 1>their their year one, year two cap numbers really low,

0:24:34.680 --> 0:24:37.359
<v Speaker 1>and they backload cap into the future. But to me,

0:24:38.080 --> 0:24:40.719
<v Speaker 1>if you've got all this cap space, why not use it?

0:24:40.800 --> 0:24:44.520
<v Speaker 1>Why not load it now so you can be flexible

0:24:44.840 --> 0:24:48.680
<v Speaker 1>in the later term. And the I talked to someone

0:24:48.800 --> 0:24:51.040
<v Speaker 1>high up in the organization and they sort of gave

0:24:51.080 --> 0:24:54.720
<v Speaker 1>me this explanation, and I'll share this with people. They

0:24:54.760 --> 0:24:56.840
<v Speaker 1>think the cap is gonna rise so much that the

0:24:56.960 --> 0:25:00.480
<v Speaker 1>present value CAP is better now than it's going to later.

0:25:01.119 --> 0:25:04.680
<v Speaker 1>It was a long detailed discussion because in my management

0:25:04.720 --> 0:25:07.719
<v Speaker 1>of the cap for the packers, I tried to match

0:25:08.480 --> 0:25:12.159
<v Speaker 1>cash and cap as much as possible. So, in other words,

0:25:12.200 --> 0:25:13.840
<v Speaker 1>if I was going to give someone twenty million in

0:25:13.960 --> 0:25:18.280
<v Speaker 1>year one cash, I would try to get the cap

0:25:18.480 --> 0:25:20.760
<v Speaker 1>numbers close to twenty million as possible. Because we had

0:25:20.760 --> 0:25:23.199
<v Speaker 1>the cap he we created. That was hard work to

0:25:23.240 --> 0:25:28.320
<v Speaker 1>do it, and the Browns are the opposite strategy. They're like, well,

0:25:28.400 --> 0:25:32.200
<v Speaker 1>let's just keep loading up cap Like for what Now

0:25:32.240 --> 0:25:34.919
<v Speaker 1>do I think it's for Jimmy Garoppolo. I don't. I

0:25:35.000 --> 0:25:38.080
<v Speaker 1>don't because two things. Number one, they signed Berset, and

0:25:38.200 --> 0:25:43.560
<v Speaker 1>number two, this is not news that Deshaun Watson's going away.

0:25:43.800 --> 0:25:46.959
<v Speaker 1>When they signed Deshaun Watson, there's no way in God's

0:25:46.960 --> 0:25:49.239
<v Speaker 1>green Earth they thought he'd be playing week one. Come on,

0:25:49.720 --> 0:25:52.520
<v Speaker 1>this has been out there for a year in reporting

0:25:52.560 --> 0:25:56.800
<v Speaker 1>about what he's done. So I'm just saying, Jimmy Garoppolo

0:25:56.800 --> 0:25:59.800
<v Speaker 1>has been on the market for six months. They're not

0:25:59.840 --> 0:26:02.320
<v Speaker 1>just going to decide, oh, yeah, now we should get

0:26:02.320 --> 0:26:06.440
<v Speaker 1>Tommy Garoppolo. No, I just think they've gone with Brissette.

0:26:06.520 --> 0:26:10.240
<v Speaker 1>They like Brissette, and there's no Garoppolo on the picture

0:26:10.280 --> 0:26:14.560
<v Speaker 1>on the horizon for the Browns. On the Garoppolo question, Olivia,

0:26:14.840 --> 0:26:18.800
<v Speaker 1>I think this is a really tough one because he's

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<v Speaker 1>scheduled to make twenty four million dollars, and the chance

0:26:21.560 --> 0:26:23.800
<v Speaker 1>of him making twenty four million is about the same

0:26:23.840 --> 0:26:27.320
<v Speaker 1>as you or I making it from the It's just

0:26:27.440 --> 0:26:31.040
<v Speaker 1>not going to happen. So the question becomes does he

0:26:31.119 --> 0:26:35.119
<v Speaker 1>take a financial haircut and stay. Does he take a

0:26:35.160 --> 0:26:38.520
<v Speaker 1>financial haircut to go somewhere else or do they just

0:26:38.720 --> 0:26:42.439
<v Speaker 1>release him and then he goes to zero and signs

0:26:42.440 --> 0:26:45.760
<v Speaker 1>whatever he can as a third string quarterback somewhere. So

0:26:46.720 --> 0:26:52.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't know why this guy has become unwanted the

0:26:52.160 --> 0:26:54.679
<v Speaker 1>way he has. I understand there's an injury question with

0:26:54.680 --> 0:26:57.359
<v Speaker 1>his shoulder, but this is one of the stories I

0:26:57.440 --> 0:27:01.000
<v Speaker 1>just can't really figure out. Jimmy Garoppolo as a Packer fan.

0:27:01.200 --> 0:27:04.040
<v Speaker 1>I knowbod he's done to us, Yet he has no market.

0:27:04.240 --> 0:27:06.880
<v Speaker 1>He has no market. If he had a market, he'd

0:27:06.880 --> 0:27:10.000
<v Speaker 1>be long gone by now. You know you're talking about quarterbacks.

0:27:10.000 --> 0:27:12.680
<v Speaker 1>We had a lot of quarterbacks jump into new situations

0:27:12.720 --> 0:27:16.560
<v Speaker 1>this year. Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan, Carson, Wentz, Baker Mayfield

0:27:16.600 --> 0:27:20.080
<v Speaker 1>we mentioned earlier. And you know Stafford did the same

0:27:20.080 --> 0:27:21.959
<v Speaker 1>thing last year, won a Super Bowl. So of this

0:27:22.040 --> 0:27:25.880
<v Speaker 1>kind of rotation of quarterbacks this year in the NFL,

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<v Speaker 1>is there one that sticks out to you that maybe

0:27:28.760 --> 0:27:32.200
<v Speaker 1>we could see another Super Bowl champions similar to Stafford

0:27:32.240 --> 0:27:35.159
<v Speaker 1>with the Rams. Well, I'm gonna show my bias and

0:27:35.200 --> 0:27:38.520
<v Speaker 1>Olivia's bias here because I think the best quarterback situation

0:27:38.640 --> 0:27:41.639
<v Speaker 1>is the fact Aaron Rodgers didn't leave the Packers, and

0:27:41.680 --> 0:27:44.040
<v Speaker 1>I think they're gonna be really good despite losing Adams.

0:27:44.119 --> 0:27:48.119
<v Speaker 1>But I think everyone's gonna point to Wilson because you know,

0:27:48.200 --> 0:27:51.520
<v Speaker 1>this is a team that has already made defense and

0:27:51.600 --> 0:27:54.719
<v Speaker 1>they're just bringing in that one aspect that they haven't had.

0:27:55.359 --> 0:27:58.880
<v Speaker 1>So we'll see what happens there. I think the real

0:27:58.960 --> 0:28:03.000
<v Speaker 1>story the off season is another position, and that is

0:28:03.040 --> 0:28:06.600
<v Speaker 1>wide receiver. I just mentioned Adams. This is the story

0:28:06.680 --> 0:28:11.520
<v Speaker 1>to me because we see some positions continued to get devalued,

0:28:12.200 --> 0:28:14.199
<v Speaker 1>and I'm looking at running back and I'm looking at

0:28:14.240 --> 0:28:17.520
<v Speaker 1>tight end, and then we see the wide receiver position

0:28:17.720 --> 0:28:21.199
<v Speaker 1>having extraordinary jump in value. For business nerds like me,

0:28:21.800 --> 0:28:26.960
<v Speaker 1>I find that fascinating because what's happened is teams like

0:28:27.040 --> 0:28:30.160
<v Speaker 1>the Packers and Chiefs had said, you know what, we're

0:28:30.200 --> 0:28:34.320
<v Speaker 1>just not going there, and Titans, we're just not going there.

0:28:34.640 --> 0:28:37.399
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna take cap space and we're gonna take draft picks,

0:28:37.720 --> 0:28:40.800
<v Speaker 1>and we're gonna go young and cheap at receiver. Yet

0:28:40.880 --> 0:28:43.840
<v Speaker 1>you have teams like the Dolphins and the Raiders and

0:28:43.880 --> 0:28:47.680
<v Speaker 1>the Eagles that are saying, we'll take that guy from you.

0:28:47.960 --> 0:28:50.520
<v Speaker 1>We'll pay them twenty five million year, which is way

0:28:50.560 --> 0:28:54.400
<v Speaker 1>beyond what the market was. Market was like eighteen a year.

0:28:54.880 --> 0:28:57.880
<v Speaker 1>We'll pay them twenty five million, and we're going to

0:28:58.320 --> 0:29:03.280
<v Speaker 1>bank on our receiver eiver giving us extraordinary value only

0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:07.720
<v Speaker 1>second to the quarterback. And we're going to find out,

0:29:08.240 --> 0:29:11.520
<v Speaker 1>like here it is, two is going to tell us

0:29:11.560 --> 0:29:14.160
<v Speaker 1>the value of receivers. We're gonna see what Brown brings

0:29:14.200 --> 0:29:17.880
<v Speaker 1>the Eagles, Adams to the Raiders, Hill to the Dolphins

0:29:18.200 --> 0:29:22.880
<v Speaker 1>versus the teams they left with draft, draft picks and

0:29:22.960 --> 0:29:26.280
<v Speaker 1>cap space. And I think we're gonna have a great evaluation.

0:29:26.520 --> 0:29:29.960
<v Speaker 1>Do you pay that market for top receivers or do

0:29:30.000 --> 0:29:32.760
<v Speaker 1>you go young and cheap and spend elsewhere. It'll be

0:29:32.800 --> 0:29:36.880
<v Speaker 1>interesting to see. Yeah, the Davante Adams signing set off

0:29:37.760 --> 0:29:40.680
<v Speaker 1>trickle effect that the whole league had to play catch up,

0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:43.480
<v Speaker 1>and similar bringing it back to Deshaun Watson a little bit,

0:29:43.640 --> 0:29:47.360
<v Speaker 1>is that record deal of guaranteed money is now setting

0:29:47.360 --> 0:29:50.600
<v Speaker 1>a precedent for someone else negotiating his own contract in

0:29:50.640 --> 0:29:54.080
<v Speaker 1>that division, Lamar Jackson, and he's doing it with his

0:29:54.200 --> 0:29:56.920
<v Speaker 1>mom and no agent. Have you ever been in that

0:29:56.960 --> 0:30:00.400
<v Speaker 1>position dealing with a player directly and is that awkward

0:30:00.480 --> 0:30:04.360
<v Speaker 1>representing the team in that instance. Yes, I'm glad you

0:30:04.400 --> 0:30:06.880
<v Speaker 1>asked that, because at the Packers, I'm an agent that

0:30:07.040 --> 0:30:10.080
<v Speaker 1>came I switched sides, right, So according to agents, I

0:30:10.120 --> 0:30:13.160
<v Speaker 1>went to the dark side and I went to the Packers.

0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:17.440
<v Speaker 1>But there are players, you know, I mean, there are

0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:20.120
<v Speaker 1>a lot of names, but like a Donald Driver, Mark Tusher,

0:30:20.240 --> 0:30:22.760
<v Speaker 1>they would they would come to me and say, yeah, Andrew,

0:30:22.800 --> 0:30:26.680
<v Speaker 1>you're cool. You know you're a former agent. Let's do it,

0:30:26.920 --> 0:30:29.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, let's have it. And I'm like, yeah, this

0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:32.920
<v Speaker 1>will be fun, this will be cool. I'll tell you, Olivia,

0:30:33.000 --> 0:30:36.520
<v Speaker 1>it was a bad experience. I had a lot of

0:30:36.520 --> 0:30:39.800
<v Speaker 1>problems with it that I still to this day shake

0:30:39.880 --> 0:30:44.840
<v Speaker 1>my head because negotiations are raw, you know, negotiations are personal.

0:30:45.160 --> 0:30:49.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm telling a person who I'm friends with, they are

0:30:49.240 --> 0:30:51.480
<v Speaker 1>not as valuable as they think they are. They don't

0:30:51.600 --> 0:30:54.440
<v Speaker 1>mean as much to the team as the other players

0:30:54.480 --> 0:30:57.880
<v Speaker 1>they're naming due to their teams. So players are very simple.

0:30:57.920 --> 0:31:01.840
<v Speaker 1>They're like, hey, Detroit or Alice or Denver or Philadelphia

0:31:01.920 --> 0:31:05.479
<v Speaker 1>or Miami, they paid this guy X. I'm better than X.

0:31:06.320 --> 0:31:09.440
<v Speaker 1>Pay me more than X. And I would say, you know,

0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:11.920
<v Speaker 1>it's not that simple. And we're paying Brett twenty million

0:31:12.400 --> 0:31:16.120
<v Speaker 1>and they're like, what do you mean And I'm like, well,

0:31:16.160 --> 0:31:18.680
<v Speaker 1>he's one year from free agency. You're two years from

0:31:18.720 --> 0:31:22.680
<v Speaker 1>They're like, they don't want to hear it. And I

0:31:22.760 --> 0:31:27.800
<v Speaker 1>lost relationships. I lost friendships because they're always looking at

0:31:27.800 --> 0:31:30.160
<v Speaker 1>me like, hey, why didn't he want to pay me?

0:31:30.480 --> 0:31:33.040
<v Speaker 1>You know? And then I got some deals and they

0:31:33.080 --> 0:31:35.320
<v Speaker 1>were not great deals for the kid, for the players

0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:38.800
<v Speaker 1>going forward, because the market would pass them by so

0:31:38.920 --> 0:31:41.960
<v Speaker 1>long we did an answer your question is it's tough.

0:31:42.320 --> 0:31:45.960
<v Speaker 1>It's tough on the Ravens. I know it's tough. I've

0:31:46.000 --> 0:31:49.360
<v Speaker 1>been there, and you're dealing with human emotion. And my

0:31:49.520 --> 0:31:53.000
<v Speaker 1>saying is when someone says it's not personal, it's business

0:31:53.200 --> 0:31:59.120
<v Speaker 1>bus it's always personal. Now on Lamar specifically, you mentioned

0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:03.880
<v Speaker 1>the Watson deal, I am just in sort of my world.

0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:07.040
<v Speaker 1>It's really important to see what impact the Watson deal

0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:10.520
<v Speaker 1>has because there have been two deals since. Now you

0:32:10.560 --> 0:32:12.840
<v Speaker 1>can say they're not the level of Watson or Jackson,

0:32:13.600 --> 0:32:17.040
<v Speaker 1>but Derek Carr and Kyler Murray. Now, in both of

0:32:17.040 --> 0:32:19.880
<v Speaker 1>those deals there's really good cash flow about a hundred

0:32:19.880 --> 0:32:24.600
<v Speaker 1>million over three years. But there's no bells and whistles right,

0:32:24.640 --> 0:32:29.760
<v Speaker 1>there's no full guarantees, there's no suspension forfeiture protection like

0:32:29.840 --> 0:32:33.360
<v Speaker 1>in the Watson deal. So I'm really interested to see

0:32:34.240 --> 0:32:37.719
<v Speaker 1>if Lamar Jackson can get the full guarantee. We know

0:32:37.760 --> 0:32:39.760
<v Speaker 1>he's gonna get a ton of money, but can you

0:32:39.800 --> 0:32:43.480
<v Speaker 1>get the security that Watson got? Because if I'm Steve Baschatti,

0:32:43.520 --> 0:32:47.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say, well, Murray didn't get it, Derek her

0:32:47.400 --> 0:32:50.040
<v Speaker 1>didn't get it, and you know, Watson was an outlier

0:32:50.080 --> 0:32:52.840
<v Speaker 1>because the Falcons want him in, the Saints want and

0:32:52.920 --> 0:32:58.320
<v Speaker 1>if I'm Jackson and his mother, I'm like, that doesn't matter.

0:32:58.680 --> 0:33:01.960
<v Speaker 1>This is the market. I have been better than Deshaun Watson.

0:33:02.280 --> 0:33:05.360
<v Speaker 1>I've been healthier than the Shaun Watson. I don't have

0:33:05.400 --> 0:33:08.120
<v Speaker 1>the baggage of every you know what everyone's talking about

0:33:08.160 --> 0:33:11.680
<v Speaker 1>about Deshaun Watson. So this one shaping up and we'll

0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:14.560
<v Speaker 1>have you know, deadline spur action, will know in two weeks.

0:33:15.280 --> 0:33:18.040
<v Speaker 1>You know something that's always puzzled me, and you're obviously

0:33:18.040 --> 0:33:21.600
<v Speaker 1>the perfect person to ask this to. Uh the Rams.

0:33:21.600 --> 0:33:24.520
<v Speaker 1>We're talking about Stafford and their Super Bowl and it's

0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:27.600
<v Speaker 1>just blue chip talent after blue chip talent almost to

0:33:27.640 --> 0:33:30.000
<v Speaker 1>the point where you look at all these players and

0:33:30.040 --> 0:33:32.240
<v Speaker 1>you say to yourself, even as a casual fan or

0:33:32.240 --> 0:33:34.880
<v Speaker 1>a super fan, how on earth are they making the

0:33:34.960 --> 0:33:39.200
<v Speaker 1>economics work along with all the draft picks that they're losing, Like,

0:33:39.600 --> 0:33:41.480
<v Speaker 1>I really have a hard time even following out. You know,

0:33:41.520 --> 0:33:43.440
<v Speaker 1>they get Allen Robinson, which is just just when you

0:33:43.440 --> 0:33:45.880
<v Speaker 1>think they're done, they reload at wide receiver, which I

0:33:45.880 --> 0:33:49.440
<v Speaker 1>didn't think is possible. Is this just them being super aggressive,

0:33:49.520 --> 0:33:52.600
<v Speaker 1>is going all in? Or is there really a rhythm

0:33:52.680 --> 0:33:56.000
<v Speaker 1>to this that makes this possible? Yeah? A little cap

0:33:56.000 --> 0:33:58.320
<v Speaker 1>one oh one for you, Jerry. I'm gonna ask, I'm

0:33:58.320 --> 0:34:03.400
<v Speaker 1>gonna quiz you. Okay, ready. So Matthew Stafford got this deal,

0:34:03.480 --> 0:34:05.720
<v Speaker 1>which is I'm shaking my head at this, this this

0:34:05.840 --> 0:34:09.760
<v Speaker 1>restructure this offseason. He got a sixty million dollar bonus

0:34:09.840 --> 0:34:13.680
<v Speaker 1>six oh sixty million, so his salary is only a

0:34:13.760 --> 0:34:16.080
<v Speaker 1>million dollars. This is sort of what we talked about

0:34:16.080 --> 0:34:20.120
<v Speaker 1>with Watson. So here's the quiz. What is the cash

0:34:20.280 --> 0:34:23.480
<v Speaker 1>that Stafford is getting this year? Is it one million

0:34:23.480 --> 0:34:27.839
<v Speaker 1>dollars like on the books you mean? Or how much

0:34:27.920 --> 0:34:32.960
<v Speaker 1>cash is it getting in two sixty one six? Do

0:34:32.960 --> 0:34:36.280
<v Speaker 1>you one. Very good. Oh my god. Okay, now here's

0:34:36.320 --> 0:34:39.200
<v Speaker 1>the second question. Five year deal, sixty million bonus, one

0:34:39.239 --> 0:34:44.600
<v Speaker 1>million salary. What's the cap number? It's a million? How

0:34:44.719 --> 0:34:50.360
<v Speaker 1>much is it one million? No? What's sixty divided by five? Go?

0:34:50.520 --> 0:34:54.480
<v Speaker 1>You got me doing math? Oh my lord? Uh? Well

0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:59.279
<v Speaker 1>plus one million a year? You see to jump in

0:34:59.320 --> 0:35:01.160
<v Speaker 1>on the plus one one. That's what I did, my

0:35:01.200 --> 0:35:04.880
<v Speaker 1>big math. But I was so cash for Stafford is

0:35:04.960 --> 0:35:09.400
<v Speaker 1>sixty one cap for Stafford is thirteen forty eight million.

0:35:09.440 --> 0:35:11.880
<v Speaker 1>Cash over cap. Cash over cap is what people in

0:35:11.880 --> 0:35:15.160
<v Speaker 1>the NFL talk about a lot. What's the cash over cap?

0:35:15.800 --> 0:35:18.520
<v Speaker 1>So what is happening here is Stan Cronki is paying

0:35:18.600 --> 0:35:21.640
<v Speaker 1>Stafford sixty one million dollars on a cap number of

0:35:21.680 --> 0:35:25.000
<v Speaker 1>thirteen million. So there's a quick answer of how they

0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:28.560
<v Speaker 1>do it. They have a truly a billionaire owner that's

0:35:28.600 --> 0:35:32.040
<v Speaker 1>able to use this cash over cap. I guess loophole

0:35:32.600 --> 0:35:37.080
<v Speaker 1>in ways that some owners can't do it. And they're

0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:40.960
<v Speaker 1>gonna pay the piper on Matthew Stafford's contract at some point.

0:35:41.800 --> 0:35:45.040
<v Speaker 1>But while they're in this window of, as you say,

0:35:45.120 --> 0:35:49.200
<v Speaker 1>acquiring all this top talent, they're using this Again, loophole

0:35:49.239 --> 0:35:52.319
<v Speaker 1>is too strong a word. They're using this mechanism where

0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:56.400
<v Speaker 1>they can load in these talented players with high bonus

0:35:56.560 --> 0:35:59.399
<v Speaker 1>low salary. Now again, if you're the Browns, I don't

0:35:59.400 --> 0:36:00.799
<v Speaker 1>know why you're doing it because you got a ton

0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:03.480
<v Speaker 1>of a ton of cap room. But this is how

0:36:03.520 --> 0:36:07.080
<v Speaker 1>the Rams keep doing this year after year. And Alan

0:36:07.160 --> 0:36:09.640
<v Speaker 1>Robinson actually is a friend, so we talked before we

0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:12.960
<v Speaker 1>signed with the Rams, and they got him, you know,

0:36:13.239 --> 0:36:16.239
<v Speaker 1>like I said, the market's going to five receiver. Got

0:36:16.280 --> 0:36:19.759
<v Speaker 1>him for fifteen. So they are one of these teams

0:36:19.800 --> 0:36:22.000
<v Speaker 1>able to get players for a little less. They got

0:36:22.000 --> 0:36:24.880
<v Speaker 1>it with Beckham last year too. Alan Roblin is one

0:36:24.880 --> 0:36:26.719
<v Speaker 1>of my favorite wide receivers, and I'm not trying to

0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:30.239
<v Speaker 1>hate on any of his previous quarterbacks. I just even

0:36:30.239 --> 0:36:33.040
<v Speaker 1>in the fantasy football space, I used to always why

0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:36.680
<v Speaker 1>can't look at the numbers he's putting up? Get just

0:36:36.760 --> 0:36:39.200
<v Speaker 1>get him, get him a top quarterback. And I really

0:36:39.200 --> 0:36:41.640
<v Speaker 1>do think he's a top three receiver anyway. I love

0:36:41.640 --> 0:36:44.640
<v Speaker 1>Allen Robinson. Anything about Alan Jerry's that like you were

0:36:44.680 --> 0:36:48.120
<v Speaker 1>just asking me. He asked me that stuff too, And

0:36:48.160 --> 0:36:51.400
<v Speaker 1>he's a real student of the business of sports, and

0:36:51.440 --> 0:36:52.799
<v Speaker 1>that's how I got to know him, so you don't

0:36:52.800 --> 0:36:55.200
<v Speaker 1>find any players that really are interested in this stuff.

0:36:55.239 --> 0:36:57.520
<v Speaker 1>And you know one day he'll be an agent or

0:36:57.560 --> 0:37:01.280
<v Speaker 1>will be a team executive. He's really great at that. So, Andrew,

0:37:01.320 --> 0:37:04.480
<v Speaker 1>can you explain to people who don't understand the structure

0:37:04.520 --> 0:37:06.840
<v Speaker 1>of the Packers is the one outlier in the NFL

0:37:06.960 --> 0:37:11.360
<v Speaker 1>with no owner. And as you talk about resources that

0:37:11.400 --> 0:37:13.560
<v Speaker 1>the packers have, and of course, like I'm looking, I've

0:37:13.560 --> 0:37:16.040
<v Speaker 1>got my stock hanging in my office right here. Of course,

0:37:16.040 --> 0:37:18.719
<v Speaker 1>this piece of paper that means nothing, but that means

0:37:18.760 --> 0:37:22.959
<v Speaker 1>a lot to fans, and just how ultimately that has

0:37:23.280 --> 0:37:25.560
<v Speaker 1>come to be and how that helps revenue with the

0:37:25.560 --> 0:37:28.320
<v Speaker 1>Green Bay Packers. It's funny you missed the stock and

0:37:28.360 --> 0:37:32.879
<v Speaker 1>I bought some from my son's. But you know this, right,

0:37:33.480 --> 0:37:36.279
<v Speaker 1>everyone you ask who's not a packer fan calls that

0:37:36.600 --> 0:37:39.960
<v Speaker 1>a worthless piece of paper. Right. You can't trade it,

0:37:40.000 --> 0:37:42.839
<v Speaker 1>you can't sell it. Everyone who's a packer fan says,

0:37:42.880 --> 0:37:46.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, that's my most valable procession. Like there's this

0:37:46.880 --> 0:37:52.160
<v Speaker 1>wide range. But listen, we have what we're called in

0:37:52.239 --> 0:37:58.360
<v Speaker 1>my day and your grandfather's day was the preservation Fund.

0:37:58.400 --> 0:38:00.719
<v Speaker 1>I believe we called it. You know where we just

0:38:01.000 --> 0:38:03.640
<v Speaker 1>we'd accumulate this profit and revenue and we just put

0:38:03.680 --> 0:38:07.760
<v Speaker 1>in a fund to be used for paying players, putting

0:38:07.800 --> 0:38:10.520
<v Speaker 1>it back into the team. You know, we had no

0:38:10.600 --> 0:38:13.760
<v Speaker 1>owner that's siphoning off money to use for US yacht,

0:38:13.840 --> 0:38:16.760
<v Speaker 1>to use for other businesses, to use for his family's

0:38:16.800 --> 0:38:22.600
<v Speaker 1>private jet, whatever it may be. Now, if you ask me, overall,

0:38:22.640 --> 0:38:24.920
<v Speaker 1>I was happier without an owner. But there are things

0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:27.759
<v Speaker 1>I missed. You know, when we went to owners meetings,

0:38:28.719 --> 0:38:31.239
<v Speaker 1>they would sort of tap Bob and me on the

0:38:31.239 --> 0:38:34.560
<v Speaker 1>head and like, yeah, good little Green Bay. You guys doing.

0:38:35.120 --> 0:38:37.400
<v Speaker 1>You guys are great. You know you got bread, favor whatever.

0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:41.080
<v Speaker 1>You're the only non billionaires there. Yeah. I never felt

0:38:41.080 --> 0:38:44.120
<v Speaker 1>like we were at the same kind of respect level

0:38:45.080 --> 0:38:48.520
<v Speaker 1>that Jerry Jones or Robert Kraft or Jeffrey Lory. You know,

0:38:48.560 --> 0:38:51.000
<v Speaker 1>it's just kind of this, oh, good old Green Bay.

0:38:51.800 --> 0:38:54.840
<v Speaker 1>The other thing that, you know, you sometimes wonder with

0:38:54.880 --> 0:38:58.040
<v Speaker 1>a billionaire owner if you could. You know, the league

0:38:58.080 --> 0:39:01.680
<v Speaker 1>has a lot of politics, so sometimes you need something

0:39:01.719 --> 0:39:05.520
<v Speaker 1>maybe little, and a billionaire owner would make a call

0:39:05.560 --> 0:39:08.879
<v Speaker 1>and sort of get things done. And I do miss

0:39:08.960 --> 0:39:11.200
<v Speaker 1>some of that. But then I talked to colleagues around

0:39:11.200 --> 0:39:13.839
<v Speaker 1>the league and they're say they're dealing with the negotiation

0:39:13.920 --> 0:39:17.280
<v Speaker 1>that lasts for months. One day the owner gets impatient,

0:39:17.440 --> 0:39:20.480
<v Speaker 1>walks in their office says, hey, get this deal done today,

0:39:20.560 --> 0:39:23.160
<v Speaker 1>and then it's just terrible to try to negotiate a contract.

0:39:23.200 --> 0:39:26.279
<v Speaker 1>So yes and no, there are a lot of advantages.

0:39:26.320 --> 0:39:28.200
<v Speaker 1>But what you see going on in Green Bay now

0:39:28.360 --> 0:39:31.839
<v Speaker 1>is they've developed some land around their title town. They're

0:39:31.920 --> 0:39:37.240
<v Speaker 1>using that preservation more fun to really expand real estate

0:39:37.440 --> 0:39:40.879
<v Speaker 1>and to expand areas and entertainment district that they've never

0:39:40.920 --> 0:39:43.960
<v Speaker 1>done before. And it's all good, you know, and you

0:39:44.000 --> 0:39:47.759
<v Speaker 1>see the financials every year, it's extraordinary. The Packers are

0:39:47.800 --> 0:39:51.319
<v Speaker 1>the representation of what the NFL owners are making. They've

0:39:51.360 --> 0:39:53.600
<v Speaker 1>got these media deals yet to kick in. They've got

0:39:53.600 --> 0:39:57.440
<v Speaker 1>a team friendly c b A with the players, and

0:39:57.480 --> 0:39:59.719
<v Speaker 1>of course the franchise values. So it's a great time

0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:03.480
<v Speaker 1>to be working in the NFL right now. Sure, And

0:40:03.480 --> 0:40:05.879
<v Speaker 1>if I can piggyback on that too with what your

0:40:06.040 --> 0:40:10.640
<v Speaker 1>impression of the Rogers renegotiated contract is and how it

0:40:10.760 --> 0:40:13.399
<v Speaker 1>is going to affect what the team has been able

0:40:13.480 --> 0:40:15.640
<v Speaker 1>to do this offseason and what they're able to do

0:40:15.840 --> 0:40:18.040
<v Speaker 1>moving forward, and just to make sure I get this

0:40:18.040 --> 0:40:20.520
<v Speaker 1>all right, as people are listening to the original deal

0:40:20.560 --> 0:40:23.920
<v Speaker 1>was supposed to run through the three season. Packers and

0:40:24.000 --> 0:40:27.480
<v Speaker 1>Rogers renegotiated so it would end it would be void

0:40:27.640 --> 0:40:32.320
<v Speaker 1>after and let's see, fully guaranteed fifty nine and a

0:40:32.360 --> 0:40:35.359
<v Speaker 1>half million next season forty nine and a half bish

0:40:35.640 --> 0:40:40.160
<v Speaker 1>not guaranteed. So that doesn't leave much room to go

0:40:40.200 --> 0:40:43.120
<v Speaker 1>get some shiny new toys for him. Huh m hmm.

0:40:44.239 --> 0:40:46.640
<v Speaker 1>I have a different view of Aaron's contract, but I

0:40:46.680 --> 0:40:48.879
<v Speaker 1>want to say this. First two years ago, when there

0:40:48.920 --> 0:40:51.479
<v Speaker 1>was the noise about Aaron not coming back, I said,

0:40:51.520 --> 0:40:54.400
<v Speaker 1>no way in hell he's going anywhere. He's there, you

0:40:54.440 --> 0:40:59.080
<v Speaker 1>know he Packers weren't doing anything. Man, Last year, I

0:40:59.120 --> 0:41:02.960
<v Speaker 1>was right. Last year is completely wrong. I thought that

0:41:03.160 --> 0:41:05.320
<v Speaker 1>it would be the end of Aaron in Green Bay,

0:41:05.480 --> 0:41:08.919
<v Speaker 1>and of course he came back. I guess I'm gonna

0:41:08.960 --> 0:41:12.799
<v Speaker 1>say I still believe, um this may be the swan

0:41:12.920 --> 0:41:16.279
<v Speaker 1>song for Aaron, because you know, I was there for

0:41:16.360 --> 0:41:19.400
<v Speaker 1>three years of Aaron as in Prentice, and we had

0:41:19.440 --> 0:41:21.239
<v Speaker 1>him in the bullpen three years and then we brought

0:41:21.320 --> 0:41:24.040
<v Speaker 1>them out. I think that's probably what they're thinking for

0:41:24.120 --> 0:41:27.279
<v Speaker 1>Jordan's love now. Aaron Science is three year deal, and

0:41:27.320 --> 0:41:30.040
<v Speaker 1>as you said, Olivia, there's this weird part of it

0:41:30.120 --> 0:41:31.880
<v Speaker 1>where it kicks in next year to fifty nine and

0:41:31.880 --> 0:41:35.760
<v Speaker 1>a half million, But the fine print is that's an option,

0:41:36.520 --> 0:41:40.439
<v Speaker 1>so the Packers have to exercise the option to kick

0:41:40.520 --> 0:41:43.480
<v Speaker 1>in the fifty nine. So the way I look at

0:41:43.520 --> 0:41:46.200
<v Speaker 1>it is a forty two million, one year deal in

0:41:46.239 --> 0:41:51.319
<v Speaker 1>two and then we'll see about next year. I think

0:41:51.320 --> 0:41:54.160
<v Speaker 1>with Aaron Rodgers, listen, I'm a big fan. I know

0:41:54.200 --> 0:41:57.640
<v Speaker 1>people think he's weird. I'm I got a lot of

0:41:57.719 --> 0:42:00.279
<v Speaker 1>zen in my life, just like Aaron. You know, I've

0:42:00.280 --> 0:42:06.920
<v Speaker 1>done Aguasca back in the day, so um. But I

0:42:06.960 --> 0:42:10.080
<v Speaker 1>think it's for anyone to look at either the Packers

0:42:10.120 --> 0:42:12.520
<v Speaker 1>going to Aaron or Aaron going back to the Packers

0:42:12.640 --> 0:42:14.759
<v Speaker 1>as more than a year right now. I think that's

0:42:14.760 --> 0:42:19.279
<v Speaker 1>hard to say. You know, the guy is year to year,

0:42:19.400 --> 0:42:24.000
<v Speaker 1>I think, and I think the Packers have they're waiting quarterback.

0:42:24.480 --> 0:42:27.160
<v Speaker 1>Now it's gonna be three years, and what symmetry if

0:42:27.200 --> 0:42:29.040
<v Speaker 1>it if it ends up being three years for Jordan

0:42:29.120 --> 0:42:32.719
<v Speaker 1>as it was for Aaron, So let's revisit it later.

0:42:32.800 --> 0:42:35.400
<v Speaker 1>But I'm looking at it a one year deal. Darry,

0:42:35.440 --> 0:42:38.799
<v Speaker 1>have you done anyaguasca. I have not, but I'm also

0:42:38.840 --> 0:42:42.440
<v Speaker 1>a big Aaron Rodgers fan, and uh yes, I will

0:42:42.480 --> 0:42:45.160
<v Speaker 1>definitely try it. Yeah, I'm with it would be really

0:42:45.200 --> 0:42:47.520
<v Speaker 1>sad if he does go, because that's his hard first

0:42:47.520 --> 0:42:49.400
<v Speaker 1>of it's hard to see him in any other uniform.

0:42:49.480 --> 0:42:52.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if he's retiring anytime, so I don't

0:42:52.200 --> 0:42:54.880
<v Speaker 1>know if there will be another um. Part of me

0:42:55.000 --> 0:42:56.880
<v Speaker 1>like wishes it wouldn't be because I don't want to

0:42:56.880 --> 0:42:59.000
<v Speaker 1>see that. But I also don't want him the player

0:42:59.080 --> 0:43:01.919
<v Speaker 1>to go because I just end by watching him so

0:43:02.000 --> 0:43:04.520
<v Speaker 1>much so I could see, like unless be so hard

0:43:04.560 --> 0:43:07.360
<v Speaker 1>to keep emotions out. Like you said, the business and

0:43:07.400 --> 0:43:09.840
<v Speaker 1>not personal thing is really sticking with me. That you said,

0:43:10.719 --> 0:43:14.040
<v Speaker 1>there's got to be some negotiations from your past that

0:43:14.120 --> 0:43:17.040
<v Speaker 1>you still think about. I imagine like or could have

0:43:17.080 --> 0:43:19.359
<v Speaker 1>maybe off I would have just done this, or if

0:43:19.400 --> 0:43:21.160
<v Speaker 1>they would have just done that. There there if you

0:43:21.160 --> 0:43:22.719
<v Speaker 1>don't have to say which, but there, I'm sure there

0:43:22.719 --> 0:43:24.439
<v Speaker 1>are a few that stuck with you in your time,

0:43:24.560 --> 0:43:28.120
<v Speaker 1>right well, those three years with both of the guys

0:43:28.280 --> 0:43:31.279
<v Speaker 1>was I don't know. It was challenging, and I think

0:43:31.320 --> 0:43:35.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm a better person from it because we draft Aaron

0:43:35.160 --> 0:43:37.680
<v Speaker 1>and that whole story I've told before, but no one

0:43:37.760 --> 0:43:41.000
<v Speaker 1>loked it. You know, everyone hated it, and Brett hated it,

0:43:41.280 --> 0:43:43.719
<v Speaker 1>and the fans hated it, and the media hated it

0:43:44.600 --> 0:43:46.480
<v Speaker 1>and what are we doing? And they went through it

0:43:46.480 --> 0:43:50.799
<v Speaker 1>again two years ago with love. But every week or month,

0:43:50.840 --> 0:43:54.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm dealing with Brett's side, which is, hey, Andrew, you

0:43:54.120 --> 0:43:56.520
<v Speaker 1>know what it's like coming in every week, every day

0:43:56.560 --> 0:44:00.640
<v Speaker 1>and sitting with your replacement. That sucks. It's no light.

0:44:01.920 --> 0:44:04.520
<v Speaker 1>And then I'm hearing from Aaron's camp, not him directly,

0:44:04.600 --> 0:44:07.560
<v Speaker 1>but like, Andrew, are you ever gonna trade him? Like

0:44:08.040 --> 0:44:10.760
<v Speaker 1>he's never gonna play there? Like what are you doing

0:44:10.800 --> 0:44:14.240
<v Speaker 1>to him? Brett's never gonna retire, Like what are you doing?

0:44:14.360 --> 0:44:16.920
<v Speaker 1>Get rid of it? And and so I'm just trying

0:44:16.960 --> 0:44:20.640
<v Speaker 1>to be polite and tactful and professional with both camps

0:44:21.400 --> 0:44:25.319
<v Speaker 1>because we didn't know, you know, we didn't there's no plan, like, oh,

0:44:26.400 --> 0:44:29.400
<v Speaker 1>whatever it was, we're gonna play Aaron is. So it

0:44:29.560 --> 0:44:33.440
<v Speaker 1>just got to a point where it became clear that

0:44:33.480 --> 0:44:37.440
<v Speaker 1>Aaron was ready and Brett would stay in the off

0:44:37.520 --> 0:44:43.120
<v Speaker 1>season down Mississippi those years and it was Aaron's team

0:44:43.239 --> 0:44:47.240
<v Speaker 1>and We're like having guys like Greg Jennings and Donald

0:44:47.280 --> 0:44:50.400
<v Speaker 1>Driver and Javon Walker come up to us and say,

0:44:50.640 --> 0:44:54.520
<v Speaker 1>James Jones like, oh my god, like like this kid,

0:44:54.680 --> 0:44:59.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. And I'm like really like yeah, I

0:44:59.600 --> 0:45:03.680
<v Speaker 1>mean Bret's great, but oh my god. Never seen an

0:45:03.760 --> 0:45:07.480
<v Speaker 1>arm like this kid. And so it was clear we

0:45:07.480 --> 0:45:10.799
<v Speaker 1>were ready. And then Brett retired right, but then he

0:45:10.880 --> 0:45:17.839
<v Speaker 1>wanted to unretired, and that was messy. And one thing

0:45:17.880 --> 0:45:22.879
<v Speaker 1>about Aaron, even at a very young age, he had

0:45:22.880 --> 0:45:25.960
<v Speaker 1>an extraordinary ability to block out that noise. I mean,

0:45:26.000 --> 0:45:29.400
<v Speaker 1>it was the number one story and sports not football,

0:45:29.560 --> 0:45:33.799
<v Speaker 1>sports for a month and this kid's walking out to

0:45:33.840 --> 0:45:36.760
<v Speaker 1>practice every day, and for a few of those practices,

0:45:36.800 --> 0:45:41.880
<v Speaker 1>Brett's there, you know, Brett's back with his helmet and

0:45:41.920 --> 0:45:44.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh my god, what we And you know,

0:45:44.400 --> 0:45:47.319
<v Speaker 1>the thing is that what I tell young people all

0:45:47.360 --> 0:45:49.880
<v Speaker 1>the time about who want to work in teams or

0:45:50.000 --> 0:45:54.080
<v Speaker 1>cap or agents, I'm like, listen the numbers of the numbers.

0:45:55.320 --> 0:45:59.040
<v Speaker 1>What you're dealing with? His people? It's all people, right,

0:45:59.640 --> 0:46:05.399
<v Speaker 1>Can you communicate? Can you deal with conflict? And when

0:46:05.440 --> 0:46:07.640
<v Speaker 1>people when I talked to young people and they're telling me, well,

0:46:07.680 --> 0:46:11.799
<v Speaker 1>I studied this cap and like screw that, Like, can

0:46:11.920 --> 0:46:16.480
<v Speaker 1>you deal with conflict? Can you resolve conflict? And when

0:46:16.520 --> 0:46:19.040
<v Speaker 1>you work for a team or you're an agent, you're

0:46:19.080 --> 0:46:23.200
<v Speaker 1>dealing with a lot of conflict. People don't know what

0:46:23.320 --> 0:46:26.440
<v Speaker 1>kind of things bubble up in a locker room of

0:46:26.480 --> 0:46:30.680
<v Speaker 1>eighty players, and can you deal with that? I brought

0:46:30.680 --> 0:46:34.800
<v Speaker 1>in players for interventions. I brought in players that couldn't

0:46:34.800 --> 0:46:38.880
<v Speaker 1>get along with coaches. I brought in coaches versus coaches.

0:46:39.880 --> 0:46:42.640
<v Speaker 1>So these are the kind of things that you know

0:46:42.680 --> 0:46:44.360
<v Speaker 1>when young people say they want to get into sports,

0:46:44.400 --> 0:46:49.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, your people personally like study psychology. Yeah, it's

0:46:49.160 --> 0:46:51.880
<v Speaker 1>it's a lot of that. Yeah, not not just eighty people,

0:46:51.960 --> 0:46:55.879
<v Speaker 1>eighty millionaires sitting with their own entourages telling them they're

0:46:55.880 --> 0:46:58.879
<v Speaker 1>the best things and sliced bread. So, yeah, you got

0:46:58.880 --> 0:47:00.480
<v Speaker 1>your work cut out for you, and you have so

0:47:01.080 --> 0:47:03.960
<v Speaker 1>many great stories. We've got to get you back on here. Yeah,

0:47:04.320 --> 0:47:07.359
<v Speaker 1>happy to do it. Happy to do it, guys. Well,

0:47:07.440 --> 0:47:09.680
<v Speaker 1>thank you so much. You can follow him on Twitter

0:47:09.800 --> 0:47:13.399
<v Speaker 1>at Andrew Brandt, check out his website Andrew dash brand

0:47:13.520 --> 0:47:16.360
<v Speaker 1>dot com, and there you can get his Sunday seven newsletter.

0:47:16.400 --> 0:47:18.680
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna want to see that and listen to his

0:47:18.760 --> 0:47:21.440
<v Speaker 1>podcast called The Business of Sports. Andrew thanks so much

0:47:21.480 --> 0:47:25.279
<v Speaker 1>for being with us. Thanks Andrew, Thanks guys too soon.

0:47:28.160 --> 0:47:51.840
<v Speaker 1>Ye all right, I'm very very excited about our next guests.

0:47:51.960 --> 0:47:55.160
<v Speaker 1>Training camp consists of studying the lines and running Parlay's

0:47:55.480 --> 0:47:59.040
<v Speaker 1>bet MGM gambling gurgle, Peter Andrew, welcome back, even though

0:47:59.040 --> 0:48:01.200
<v Speaker 1>it's our first show to get the welcome back to

0:48:01.320 --> 0:48:05.879
<v Speaker 1>Unleashed Buddy, It's great to be back. Sorry Live. I

0:48:05.960 --> 0:48:11.239
<v Speaker 1>decided to wear my Niners gear. Little shade at you,

0:48:11.360 --> 0:48:13.960
<v Speaker 1>that's all. I hate it. I like it. Also are

0:48:14.040 --> 0:48:16.880
<v Speaker 1>wearing jerseys to Lord knows, I got some. But before

0:48:16.880 --> 0:48:18.920
<v Speaker 1>we get the football, Peters just went really really quick.

0:48:19.480 --> 0:48:22.120
<v Speaker 1>Leon Edwards, how much did your phone blow up on

0:48:22.160 --> 0:48:26.279
<v Speaker 1>Saturday night? It's crazy. So I was talking to someone

0:48:26.280 --> 0:48:28.640
<v Speaker 1>about this the other day. It's not like another upset

0:48:28.640 --> 0:48:31.719
<v Speaker 1>in the world where you know, painonon as Holly Home

0:48:31.800 --> 0:48:34.239
<v Speaker 1>rounda Rousey, where it was a huge upset from the

0:48:34.280 --> 0:48:37.800
<v Speaker 1>get go. This was after four rounds. I think usmon

0:48:37.920 --> 0:48:41.600
<v Speaker 1>was minus four, completely dominating, and then all of a

0:48:41.600 --> 0:48:44.600
<v Speaker 1>suddenly on Edward's side of the head lights out. It

0:48:44.719 --> 0:48:46.799
<v Speaker 1>was actually a bad result for us. So typically what

0:48:46.840 --> 0:48:49.440
<v Speaker 1>you see is those big favorites losing are great results

0:48:49.480 --> 0:48:51.960
<v Speaker 1>for the book. It was actually a bit of the opposite.

0:48:51.960 --> 0:48:54.600
<v Speaker 1>So the parlays was great, but the singles, everybody was

0:48:54.600 --> 0:48:56.600
<v Speaker 1>back in edwards. So we love to see it. We

0:48:56.680 --> 0:48:58.960
<v Speaker 1>love to see Bettors come and take us for a

0:48:59.040 --> 0:49:01.719
<v Speaker 1>little bit, but an amazing fight, and I think it's

0:49:01.719 --> 0:49:03.800
<v Speaker 1>setting up a trilogy here, right, So look at the

0:49:03.920 --> 0:49:07.240
<v Speaker 1>number three coming soon. I'm sure I like it. Like Okay,

0:49:07.280 --> 0:49:10.719
<v Speaker 1>we want to get to NFL futures specifically this week

0:49:10.760 --> 0:49:13.719
<v Speaker 1>we want to focus on NFL awards for individuals, so

0:49:13.840 --> 0:49:15.879
<v Speaker 1>it might be a good time to find some great

0:49:15.880 --> 0:49:18.520
<v Speaker 1>odds on these before the regular season starts. You know,

0:49:18.640 --> 0:49:20.920
<v Speaker 1>it's as we first look at m v P. I

0:49:20.960 --> 0:49:23.720
<v Speaker 1>already saw at bet MGM the highest ticket and handle

0:49:23.840 --> 0:49:27.839
<v Speaker 1>is Russell Wilson. What do you think he's the favorite here?

0:49:27.920 --> 0:49:30.840
<v Speaker 1>Huh yeah. I think there's a little bit of bias

0:49:30.920 --> 0:49:34.520
<v Speaker 1>from our our friends in Colorado, one of our bigger states. Obviously,

0:49:34.560 --> 0:49:38.080
<v Speaker 1>the movement there. I personally love justin Herbert, what that

0:49:38.120 --> 0:49:40.799
<v Speaker 1>team has done. That offense is absolutely loaded. I think

0:49:41.120 --> 0:49:43.520
<v Speaker 1>right now he's at plus a fifty. I think you

0:49:43.560 --> 0:49:46.880
<v Speaker 1>look at Heckler, all of his wide receiver weapons, the team,

0:49:46.960 --> 0:49:48.840
<v Speaker 1>the defense looks really good this year. I know that

0:49:48.840 --> 0:49:50.840
<v Speaker 1>doesn't really affect him, but I think they are going

0:49:50.880 --> 0:49:52.799
<v Speaker 1>to be a real force. I know you guys talked

0:49:52.800 --> 0:49:55.759
<v Speaker 1>about it last week a little bit. Uh. I think

0:49:55.840 --> 0:49:57.480
<v Speaker 1>split in terms of what you like in the a

0:49:57.600 --> 0:50:01.239
<v Speaker 1>f C West, But really really do think charges not

0:50:01.280 --> 0:50:02.719
<v Speaker 1>only have Herbert come out m v P, but it

0:50:02.840 --> 0:50:04.719
<v Speaker 1>actually come out of the a f C and then

0:50:04.760 --> 0:50:07.640
<v Speaker 1>to the Super Bowl. I like that a plus eight fifty. Yeah,

0:50:07.640 --> 0:50:09.400
<v Speaker 1>And when I said Wilson was a favorite, he's not

0:50:09.440 --> 0:50:12.359
<v Speaker 1>the favorite at BEDMGF. He's plus fourteen hundred to an

0:50:12.440 --> 0:50:14.680
<v Speaker 1>m v P. But fans certainly love him. Those in

0:50:14.719 --> 0:50:17.920
<v Speaker 1>Colorado certainly love him. Josh Allen at plus seven hundred,

0:50:17.960 --> 0:50:20.560
<v Speaker 1>Why did you not say Allan just a little bit

0:50:20.600 --> 0:50:22.800
<v Speaker 1>too chalky. You gotta put a little bit of value

0:50:23.200 --> 0:50:26.319
<v Speaker 1>on top of it. And I think Herbert across lots

0:50:26.360 --> 0:50:30.879
<v Speaker 1>of quarterback stats was top three and everything yards, touchdowns,

0:50:30.920 --> 0:50:34.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, really efficient year. The sophomore slump was no

0:50:34.920 --> 0:50:36.439
<v Speaker 1>slump for him at all. So I think he comes

0:50:36.440 --> 0:50:39.000
<v Speaker 1>out absolutely fire in year three. I think the team

0:50:39.000 --> 0:50:41.600
<v Speaker 1>around him is really good. I think, you know, it's

0:50:41.600 --> 0:50:43.799
<v Speaker 1>a tough division and there's gonna be some really tough

0:50:43.800 --> 0:50:45.239
<v Speaker 1>games to be played, but I think he's gonna come

0:50:45.239 --> 0:50:47.879
<v Speaker 1>out looking really good, especially start of the year. Yeah,

0:50:47.880 --> 0:50:49.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking at all that. I mean, I got you

0:50:49.960 --> 0:50:53.000
<v Speaker 1>just look at not getting sucked into the Jonathan Taylor

0:50:53.040 --> 0:50:54.920
<v Speaker 1>at plus six thousand is going to be my biggest

0:50:54.920 --> 0:50:56.640
<v Speaker 1>issue because I just look at the him. It's gonna

0:50:56.680 --> 0:50:58.200
<v Speaker 1>happen one of these days. It's going to be a

0:50:58.239 --> 0:51:01.120
<v Speaker 1>non quarterback. It's going to happen. In my lifetime. It's

0:51:01.160 --> 0:51:04.480
<v Speaker 1>going to I don't think it's quite the year though.

0:51:05.560 --> 0:51:08.080
<v Speaker 1>The only way it happens is if Jonathan Taylor does

0:51:08.120 --> 0:51:10.319
<v Speaker 1>what he did last year and replicates that, and you know,

0:51:10.640 --> 0:51:12.839
<v Speaker 1>then you have to have the conversation. But I mean,

0:51:12.880 --> 0:51:15.600
<v Speaker 1>you know this. Every year it's m v P as

0:51:15.640 --> 0:51:18.320
<v Speaker 1>a quarterback Award o P O Y is the wide receiver,

0:51:18.560 --> 0:51:20.799
<v Speaker 1>running back or tight end award. But you're right, it's

0:51:20.800 --> 0:51:22.520
<v Speaker 1>got to happen at some point. Why not the shirt?

0:51:23.280 --> 0:51:25.520
<v Speaker 1>All right? Pure I'm gonna jump real quick because I'm

0:51:25.600 --> 0:51:27.640
<v Speaker 1>trying to let my fandom get involved here. It's the

0:51:27.640 --> 0:51:30.600
<v Speaker 1>worst mistake you can make sometimes with sports betting. Coach

0:51:30.640 --> 0:51:33.040
<v Speaker 1>of the Year and we talked Olivia and I talked

0:51:33.040 --> 0:51:36.480
<v Speaker 1>a lot about my New York Giants last year. Brian

0:51:36.600 --> 0:51:40.880
<v Speaker 1>Davil plus fourteen and he's tied for the favorite for

0:51:41.000 --> 0:51:43.600
<v Speaker 1>Coach of the Year. What's your feelings on coach, Because

0:51:43.600 --> 0:51:44.920
<v Speaker 1>if you could do that, then you gotta go Giants

0:51:44.960 --> 0:51:47.239
<v Speaker 1>over wins. I'm just saying, but I'd rather hear from

0:51:47.280 --> 0:51:50.880
<v Speaker 1>you for what it's worth. I love Giants over wins.

0:51:51.080 --> 0:51:53.160
<v Speaker 1>I think Sa Kuan has a really good bounce back,

0:51:53.200 --> 0:51:56.360
<v Speaker 1>healthy year. Dabble amazing. I'm a Ranger fan. He was

0:51:56.400 --> 0:52:02.319
<v Speaker 1>at every Ranger playoff game. Was unbelievable. But there's but

0:52:03.120 --> 0:52:05.040
<v Speaker 1>you've got to make the playoffs to be a Coach

0:52:05.080 --> 0:52:06.319
<v Speaker 1>of the Year. That's what it comes down to. You

0:52:06.320 --> 0:52:08.200
<v Speaker 1>have to have a winning record. You've got to be

0:52:08.239 --> 0:52:11.279
<v Speaker 1>a playoff team. I think people are gonna look at

0:52:11.320 --> 0:52:13.839
<v Speaker 1>Dan Campbell and say, oh my god, hard knocks run

0:52:13.840 --> 0:52:16.640
<v Speaker 1>through the wall for this guy. If they end up

0:52:16.680 --> 0:52:19.759
<v Speaker 1>going for and thirteen, it means nothing. And even you know,

0:52:19.800 --> 0:52:23.400
<v Speaker 1>even dabble, if they go eight and nine, that's probably

0:52:23.440 --> 0:52:25.520
<v Speaker 1>not going to cut it. But for me, it's two

0:52:25.560 --> 0:52:29.440
<v Speaker 1>clear options. It's Kevin O'Connell on the Vikings. I think

0:52:29.480 --> 0:52:31.040
<v Speaker 1>they have a really really good team. I know you

0:52:31.080 --> 0:52:33.120
<v Speaker 1>guys talked about it last week. They're they're probably the

0:52:33.120 --> 0:52:36.480
<v Speaker 1>team in the North that looks the most complete. They

0:52:36.480 --> 0:52:39.799
<v Speaker 1>have a monster in Justin Jefferson. They are going to

0:52:39.840 --> 0:52:42.360
<v Speaker 1>have a good year. And then it's John Harbough. So

0:52:43.239 --> 0:52:45.439
<v Speaker 1>you've got a team that's potentially going from last place

0:52:45.520 --> 0:52:47.960
<v Speaker 1>last year, a ton of injuries, ton of problems, and

0:52:47.960 --> 0:52:50.440
<v Speaker 1>they're the favorite now to win their division. You gotta

0:52:50.480 --> 0:52:52.680
<v Speaker 1>think anybody who bounces from forth to first and ends

0:52:52.719 --> 0:52:54.719
<v Speaker 1>up cleaning up the division, they gotta get a look

0:52:54.760 --> 0:52:57.120
<v Speaker 1>for Coach of the year. I think you just actually

0:52:57.160 --> 0:52:59.839
<v Speaker 1>gave us a parlay dabble coach of the year, say Kwan,

0:53:00.040 --> 0:53:02.279
<v Speaker 1>comeback player of the year at plus what is the

0:53:02.360 --> 0:53:06.799
<v Speaker 1>plus six? And Giants over wins. That's the connective tissue. Well,

0:53:06.800 --> 0:53:10.600
<v Speaker 1>those three things will happen just a big Giants part.

0:53:10.640 --> 0:53:15.319
<v Speaker 1>Sorry up now. Mortal lock for me is I think

0:53:15.719 --> 0:53:19.000
<v Speaker 1>Quana is at over nine in something yards right now.

0:53:19.120 --> 0:53:22.200
<v Speaker 1>I would absolutely hammer that over. We'll talk more about

0:53:22.200 --> 0:53:24.560
<v Speaker 1>that in a couple of weeks, but I really really

0:53:24.600 --> 0:53:28.040
<v Speaker 1>like that. I mean, he is their offense might not

0:53:28.080 --> 0:53:30.400
<v Speaker 1>be Daniel Jones, but he's gonna be you know, I

0:53:30.400 --> 0:53:32.240
<v Speaker 1>think he's gonna be back to his normal self. Hopefully

0:53:32.239 --> 0:53:35.600
<v Speaker 1>he stays healthy looking at Defensive Player of the Year,

0:53:35.840 --> 0:53:38.960
<v Speaker 1>Myles Garrett in Cleveland is tied with t. J. Watt

0:53:39.000 --> 0:53:42.680
<v Speaker 1>for the favorite at plus seven hundred and Micah Parsons,

0:53:42.719 --> 0:53:46.319
<v Speaker 1>though is the highest ticket, highest handle, biggest liability over

0:53:46.360 --> 0:53:50.120
<v Speaker 1>at bet MGM. But Miles Garrett intrigues me because they

0:53:50.120 --> 0:53:54.279
<v Speaker 1>play the Panthers September and that is when he will

0:53:54.320 --> 0:53:57.560
<v Speaker 1>face off against his former quarterback Baker Mayfield, who left

0:53:57.560 --> 0:54:00.719
<v Speaker 1>Cleveland obviously not on the best of terms, and there

0:54:00.760 --> 0:54:02.040
<v Speaker 1>have been a lot of people to come out of

0:54:02.040 --> 0:54:05.840
<v Speaker 1>that locker room with sore feelings about Baker Mayfield, and

0:54:05.880 --> 0:54:07.799
<v Speaker 1>Myles Garrett just said he would love to get a

0:54:07.800 --> 0:54:11.520
<v Speaker 1>couple of sacks on Baker Mayfield September eleven against the Panthers,

0:54:12.440 --> 0:54:14.920
<v Speaker 1>kicking off the season in that kind of fashion and

0:54:14.960 --> 0:54:18.360
<v Speaker 1>with this kind of urgency. Do you like how Miles

0:54:18.360 --> 0:54:22.080
<v Speaker 1>garrett season could start and potentially play out as he

0:54:22.120 --> 0:54:25.560
<v Speaker 1>goes up some pretty good qbs in his own division. Yeah,

0:54:25.600 --> 0:54:28.799
<v Speaker 1>if given that exactly that you have to put a

0:54:28.800 --> 0:54:30.359
<v Speaker 1>little bit of a flyer or not really a flyer

0:54:30.360 --> 0:54:32.600
<v Speaker 1>who's the favorite. But put something on him, because if

0:54:32.600 --> 0:54:35.239
<v Speaker 1>he comes out in sacks and four times does something ridiculous,

0:54:35.600 --> 0:54:37.600
<v Speaker 1>that number is going to dramatically change in Week two

0:54:37.640 --> 0:54:39.560
<v Speaker 1>and he might not have that same level of effort

0:54:39.560 --> 0:54:41.439
<v Speaker 1>for the rest of the season. But if he comes

0:54:41.440 --> 0:54:44.239
<v Speaker 1>out firing, you gotta you gotta put something on on

0:54:44.320 --> 0:54:47.319
<v Speaker 1>Myles Garrett. I'm going I'll go a Homer pick with

0:54:47.360 --> 0:54:50.399
<v Speaker 1>a Niner, but also you said him earlier. I'll start

0:54:50.440 --> 0:54:53.360
<v Speaker 1>with Michael Parsons. He's nine to one right now. He

0:54:53.440 --> 0:54:57.399
<v Speaker 1>plays every position. Last year, he literally played the back

0:54:57.560 --> 0:55:00.560
<v Speaker 1>corner nickel, he played on the line, he played obviously

0:55:00.600 --> 0:55:04.040
<v Speaker 1>as a linebacker. He does everything. He probably has the

0:55:04.080 --> 0:55:08.360
<v Speaker 1>most opportunity to go and show off with forced fumbles, interceptions, sacks.

0:55:08.480 --> 0:55:10.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean he's going to be all over the field.

0:55:10.400 --> 0:55:13.400
<v Speaker 1>I think that's a very very logical pick. But my

0:55:13.520 --> 0:55:16.719
<v Speaker 1>Homer pick Nick Bosa and how complete that defense is

0:55:16.719 --> 0:55:19.480
<v Speaker 1>this year, especially their front seven. He's actually gonna get

0:55:19.480 --> 0:55:21.560
<v Speaker 1>a lot of one on ones, which is scary to think.

0:55:21.880 --> 0:55:24.279
<v Speaker 1>And at fourteen and one, that's a great price for

0:55:24.320 --> 0:55:26.239
<v Speaker 1>a guy who's probably gonna get another fifteen and a

0:55:26.280 --> 0:55:29.480
<v Speaker 1>half plus sacks. It's always a wild card, especially for

0:55:29.480 --> 0:55:32.000
<v Speaker 1>a lot of these defensive players, always getting hurt. But

0:55:32.160 --> 0:55:34.880
<v Speaker 1>Micah Parsons, you know he's going to be there on

0:55:34.880 --> 0:55:37.399
<v Speaker 1>the field, he's gonna ball out, and and Bosa does

0:55:37.400 --> 0:55:40.080
<v Speaker 1>it every year, obviously towards a cl the one year,

0:55:40.080 --> 0:55:42.799
<v Speaker 1>but he has been nothing but productive in the other

0:55:42.800 --> 0:55:44.799
<v Speaker 1>two seasons that he's played for the Niners. So I

0:55:44.800 --> 0:55:47.200
<v Speaker 1>think it's a pretty pretty good price. I think it's

0:55:47.200 --> 0:55:49.080
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of a miss price, but fourteen one

0:55:49.239 --> 0:55:51.359
<v Speaker 1>hundred bucks when you're fourteen hundred bucks not too bad.

0:55:52.000 --> 0:55:54.759
<v Speaker 1>So you mentioned Homer Pick and you said you listened

0:55:54.800 --> 0:55:57.600
<v Speaker 1>to the show last week, which we do appreciate. How

0:55:57.640 --> 0:56:02.879
<v Speaker 1>Appaul were you by my rant of the Seattle Seahawks

0:56:02.920 --> 0:56:05.359
<v Speaker 1>for your lottery ticket to win the NFC West, Being

0:56:05.400 --> 0:56:08.040
<v Speaker 1>that you're wearing a George Kittle jersey right now? How

0:56:08.080 --> 0:56:11.239
<v Speaker 1>appalled by you? Remember I said lottery ticket, did not

0:56:11.320 --> 0:56:15.040
<v Speaker 1>say sure thing. So I was driving. This is one

0:56:15.040 --> 0:56:16.760
<v Speaker 1>of those things I'll never forget now. I was driving

0:56:16.800 --> 0:56:19.320
<v Speaker 1>to the p G a tour of Superstore, almost crashed

0:56:19.320 --> 0:56:21.799
<v Speaker 1>the car when I heard you say take them to win.

0:56:22.480 --> 0:56:27.319
<v Speaker 1>I unsubscribed the podcast and I realized subscribed. But no,

0:56:27.680 --> 0:56:30.560
<v Speaker 1>I I like where the thought is. I think you

0:56:30.600 --> 0:56:33.080
<v Speaker 1>have to take a fly like that. Every year they

0:56:33.080 --> 0:56:35.080
<v Speaker 1>always talked about there's always one team that goes from

0:56:35.080 --> 0:56:38.200
<v Speaker 1>fourth to first and makes the playoffs. Why not Seattle

0:56:38.560 --> 0:56:41.759
<v Speaker 1>probably drew Lock. Maybe that's why. Yeah, it's interesting. I

0:56:41.840 --> 0:56:44.120
<v Speaker 1>think you're right in a sense. First of all, they're

0:56:44.160 --> 0:56:47.160
<v Speaker 1>over in in wins, spot on, They're gonna play a

0:56:47.160 --> 0:56:50.000
<v Speaker 1>lot of crappy teams. They're probably gonna steal one from

0:56:50.000 --> 0:56:52.520
<v Speaker 1>either the Rams of the Niners of the Cardinals. That's

0:56:52.520 --> 0:56:54.200
<v Speaker 1>gonna put them right there at four or five wins,

0:56:54.200 --> 0:56:58.000
<v Speaker 1>and then they're gonna squeak out one or two. But yeah,

0:56:58.000 --> 0:56:59.440
<v Speaker 1>I think there's a better chance of me making the

0:56:59.480 --> 0:57:02.239
<v Speaker 1>NFL that than Seattle won in their division. So I

0:57:02.280 --> 0:57:03.880
<v Speaker 1>know the way out in the limb I told I

0:57:03.880 --> 0:57:07.239
<v Speaker 1>told Olivia is too. If the whatever the odds are,

0:57:07.280 --> 0:57:09.680
<v Speaker 1>that this happens, everyone better run and hide from me

0:57:09.719 --> 0:57:13.640
<v Speaker 1>because you guys will never hear the end of that call.

0:57:13.760 --> 0:57:16.440
<v Speaker 1>So but luckily, I think you guys are safe. Okay,

0:57:16.480 --> 0:57:18.720
<v Speaker 1>awards wise, because there's so many though anything we could

0:57:18.720 --> 0:57:21.000
<v Speaker 1>just kind of narrow it down here. We went over

0:57:21.040 --> 0:57:23.400
<v Speaker 1>the big ones. Is there anything else that sticks out

0:57:23.440 --> 0:57:25.240
<v Speaker 1>to you award wise? Do you want to maybe just

0:57:25.280 --> 0:57:27.640
<v Speaker 1>tell the listeners to just put a pin in for

0:57:27.760 --> 0:57:29.760
<v Speaker 1>now as the odds are kind of all over the place.

0:57:30.160 --> 0:57:33.720
<v Speaker 1>Offensive Player of the Year maybe yeah, O p O y.

0:57:33.760 --> 0:57:36.960
<v Speaker 1>There's one player that sticks out to me, justin Jefferson.

0:57:37.000 --> 0:57:38.920
<v Speaker 1>I think he's going to have another monster year. I

0:57:38.920 --> 0:57:43.240
<v Speaker 1>think he's still something like something crazy. Again, the that

0:57:43.400 --> 0:57:47.760
<v Speaker 1>is very much a skilled player award outside of quarterback.

0:57:47.880 --> 0:57:50.440
<v Speaker 1>I think he has every opportunity to be probably best

0:57:50.480 --> 0:57:53.200
<v Speaker 1>wide receiver in the NFL, certainly in the top three already.

0:57:53.440 --> 0:57:55.840
<v Speaker 1>That one sticks out to me. And then one that's

0:57:56.520 --> 0:57:58.560
<v Speaker 1>a little bit weird is Comeback Player of the Year.

0:57:59.000 --> 0:58:02.680
<v Speaker 1>I think true. Additionally, that's another quarterback heavy award. But

0:58:02.800 --> 0:58:06.160
<v Speaker 1>you have Trubisky who might not be starting by week

0:58:06.160 --> 0:58:08.520
<v Speaker 1>five or six. It might be Kenny Pickett by that point.

0:58:09.040 --> 0:58:12.360
<v Speaker 1>You have Baker who is probably he is week one

0:58:12.400 --> 0:58:16.680
<v Speaker 1>starter officially. Janis Jamis is another actually great example of

0:58:16.720 --> 0:58:19.600
<v Speaker 1>Michael Thomas. But the point I was gonna make is

0:58:20.040 --> 0:58:23.760
<v Speaker 1>you got Christian McCaffrey, Michael Thomas, J K. Dobbins, Chase

0:58:23.920 --> 0:58:26.080
<v Speaker 1>Young who's not coming back for week one, but we'll

0:58:26.120 --> 0:58:28.200
<v Speaker 1>be back sooner than later. Those are a lot of

0:58:28.240 --> 0:58:31.040
<v Speaker 1>guys that are huge, huge impact players going to make

0:58:31.080 --> 0:58:33.360
<v Speaker 1>a difference on their team. For me, it's kind of

0:58:33.440 --> 0:58:36.240
<v Speaker 1>chalk with McCaffrey. If he comes back healthy and you

0:58:36.280 --> 0:58:38.040
<v Speaker 1>know what he can do, obviously catching the ball out

0:58:38.040 --> 0:58:41.640
<v Speaker 1>of the backfield and russing for twenty five times, that's

0:58:41.680 --> 0:58:44.160
<v Speaker 1>the no brainer. But those things can fluctuate so much

0:58:44.160 --> 0:58:47.680
<v Speaker 1>based off performance and who gets reinjured and whatnot. Did

0:58:47.720 --> 0:58:50.200
<v Speaker 1>they say when Chase Young has happened? Announced officially when

0:58:50.200 --> 0:58:53.120
<v Speaker 1>he's back yet they didn't really. Yeah, I think they've

0:58:53.160 --> 0:58:55.959
<v Speaker 1>just said he's pretty doubtful for week one. I'd say

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<v Speaker 1>they slowly getting back probably three or four. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>why his d p O I so high, right because

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<v Speaker 1>right now I think Ben m has a plus four thousand.

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<v Speaker 1>That might be another So you able to do a little,

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<v Speaker 1>very very small Seahawks NFC West Chase Young Defensive Player

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<v Speaker 1>of the Year. It's a couple of little dollars. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>just say. I like action, Peter, I like I like

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<v Speaker 1>long odds. Hey, if you want mortal locks, well listen,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want lottery tickets, you go to Jerry. If

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<v Speaker 1>you want mortal locks at the Ravens preseason going, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>give you a little bit of both. Every week. We

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<v Speaker 1>try to give you a little balance to make some

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<v Speaker 1>money or shoot for the stars too. I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>I love Yeah. Last time Ravens lost a preseason game,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe Lamar Jackson was going to be a freshman

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<v Speaker 1>at Louisville. So a lot of fun there with that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I almost lost my preseason mind watching Toodeau

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<v Speaker 1>get that awful cheap shot for the job. So this

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<v Speaker 1>is why I love preseason. It's fun. We all get hype,

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<v Speaker 1>but that that that in the Zach Wilson and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>no Jets fan, those two things just make me say,

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<v Speaker 1>just start the season already, just started. Start the season.

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<v Speaker 1>Get the third string guys in. That's a don't put

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<v Speaker 1>any starters and not worth it. I got so scared,

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<v Speaker 1>so scared. Well, we're gonna have a lot of fun

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<v Speaker 1>talking to you throughout the season, Pete, because we can

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<v Speaker 1>build some parlays, we can have running bets between the

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<v Speaker 1>three of us. There's a lot of options here. So

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<v Speaker 1>thanks so much for joining us and looking forward to

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<v Speaker 1>catching up once the season begins. Yeah, I'm gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>some fun this year. Thanks guys. All right, We're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot of fun with Peter this year, now

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<v Speaker 1>that I know I control him so much about his niners. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I told you you'd like him. I love him. That's

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<v Speaker 1>three episodes down and we haven't even begun to really

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<v Speaker 1>talk about basketball yet. This is gonna be so fun,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to broke all my energy out evenly. It's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get intense, though. I'm excited. And this week I'm fine

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<v Speaker 1>London and you told me you've got a good London story,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're gonna save it for when I've got boots

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<v Speaker 1>on the ground, So I'm excited to hear that next week. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>quick tease. Uh almost didn't marry my wife because of

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<v Speaker 1>what happened in London. It's not as dramatic as it sounds.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, we'll talk about that next week and a

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<v Speaker 1>whole lot more. Three episodes in. I'm still here. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going anywhere, Olivia, Thank you so much. And uh yeah, guys, subscribe,

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<v Speaker 1>do all that good stuff. We'll be back next week.

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<v Speaker 1>See Yeah,