1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A gorgeous young cheerleader just 2 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: fifteen years old, kidnapped then murdered straight off the school 3 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: bus in broad daylight. Who killed Laura Lee? Good evening, 4 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for 5 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: being with us. The tragic slaying of a young fifteen 6 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: year old girl haunts a small Florida town. Kidnapped from 7 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: her school bus and shot dead. Who killed Laura Lee's spear? 8 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: This rural area Deerfoot Road had been insulated from crime 9 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: in fear since his inception for decades until this beautiful 10 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: young girl. And I've got to tell you, this girl 11 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: was everybody's dream. She sang in the church choir shoes 12 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 1: with the keynotes, beautiful voice, straight a's cheerleader, you name it. 13 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: This girl was it, the it girl. So how is 14 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 1: it that she steps off her bus, her school bus, 15 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: a public school bus with all the other children, and 16 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: within minutes she's gone. First of all, take a listen 17 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: to this. 18 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 2: Don't you even to stay. 19 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: In the end? 20 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 3: I don't know what something, Laarlie? What's what's your birthday? 21 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:38,559 Speaker 2: Jean Paper's name set? 22 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 4: How do you feel anything? 23 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: The car. 24 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 2: That one's word. 25 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 5: Yes, I need the first department. 26 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 2: What's the problem. 27 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 5: My daughter got off the box. 28 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 6: The job on left her card. 29 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 5: Get off the bus, my neighbor's car. Get off the 30 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 5: bus and start down the road. It's seven tenths of 31 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 5: a mile to our own. You've always like clockwork at 32 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 5: home at three thirty, my child is not at home. 33 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 7: List okay, how old is she? 34 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 5: Fifteen years old? 35 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: You can hear a mom's voice starting to crack there 36 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: at the end. She calls nine to one one to 37 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: report her child missing, her little girl missing within the hour, 38 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: within the hour of her stepping off that bus, doing 39 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: everything right? How can nobody see anything? Nobody hears, nobody knows, 40 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: nobody tells anything about the disappearance and the murder of 41 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: Laura Lee. Listen to more of that nine to one 42 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: one call. 43 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 2: How long has she been missing? 44 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 5: So got a little left to three this afternoon? I 45 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 5: would say approximately between three ten and three fifteen. 46 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 8: The sets to glass of come. 47 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 2: Okay, where's your bus? 48 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 9: Stout? 49 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 5: Her boss stop is at Wing Garden Road and dem 50 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 5: Foot Row. We live on dem Foot Row. 51 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: You're hearing moms staying calm, cool and collected that she 52 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,839 Speaker 1: gives the information to nine one one, but I can 53 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: hear her voice cracking with me at All Star Pedel 54 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:25,239 Speaker 1: to make sense of what we know right now. I 55 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 1: always like to start with a nine one one call, 56 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: as I do when prosecuting a case, because it's unlike 57 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: anything else. It's not a witness telling a jury what 58 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: happened through their own vision, through their own glasses. It's 59 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: what did happen in the moment. And we learn so 60 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: much again with Me at All Star Pedel. But first 61 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: two special guests Virginia Jenny Bissell. This is Laura Lee's sister, Jenny. 62 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us, Thank you for having me. 63 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: Can you remember day that Laura Lee went missing? 64 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 2: Definitely, it's hard to forget. Well. I remember. 65 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 10: Getting off the school bus that day and walking down 66 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 10: the road, and typically what I do is I just 67 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 10: look at the footprints in the in the on our 68 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 10: dirt road, just to see It's kind of it was 69 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 10: a game that I would use to play where I 70 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 10: would try to figure out Larley's outfit because she would 71 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 10: always walk right before I would. Because I was in 72 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 10: middle and she was in high school, and I saw 73 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 10: that there was multiple sets of footprints, and so I 74 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 10: figured that my mom walked up to the bus stop 75 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 10: to come get her, which was not uncommon. And as 76 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 10: I made my weight down, I encountered one of my 77 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 10: neighbors that told me that I really need My mom 78 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 10: had been looking for me and she didn't know where 79 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 10: I was, which I thought was odd because it was. 80 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 2: My normal time. 81 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 10: And so I hurried home to find her on the 82 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 10: phone with the Sheriff's department, and she was in hysterics 83 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 10: at that point, and she was asking me to check 84 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 10: the house, go upstairs to check her room to see 85 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 10: if she was there, and maybe she had missed her, 86 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 10: like she may have taken a nap or something and 87 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 10: she just didn't hear her come in. So I went 88 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 10: and I looked, and I couldn't find her, and I 89 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 10: relead the information to my mom, and shortly thereafter we 90 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 10: had a deputy come to the house to assist. Then, 91 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 10: I want to say a few hours later, maybe time 92 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 10: kind of stood still, we had a chaplain come to 93 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 10: the house. I didn't know at the time why. 94 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 5: But. 95 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 10: When he related the information to my parents, that had 96 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 10: to be the hardest thing to watch. At first, I thought, oh, 97 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 10: she's hurt, she's somewhere, she's at the hospital. We'll go 98 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 10: and get her. I think goes in shock, but then 99 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 10: realizing that she wasn't going to come home. That's what 100 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 10: it hit hard. 101 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: When Ginny did you discover that she had been killed? 102 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 10: At that time, when the chapelain came and my mom 103 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 10: was in hysterics when he told her the news. 104 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: When you say his Derek's what do you mean, she. 105 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 10: Was crying and yelling out, my baby, think they killed 106 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 10: my baby. 107 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: Guys with me is Jenny Bissell. This is Laura Lee's sister, 108 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:21,679 Speaker 1: recounting the moment a chaplain showed up at their home 109 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: to tell them laure Lee wasn't just missing, she was 110 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: dead and someone had killed her. In addition to Virginia 111 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: Jenny Bissell is Sheriff Mike Chitwood from the Vlusha County 112 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: Sheriff's Office and Detective Cordell LeMay. Gentlemen, thank you for 113 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: being with us, along with Cheryl McCollum and Alexis Terreschuk. 114 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: To Sheriff Chitwood, I want to thank you gentlemen so 115 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: much for being with us. Sheriff. I've seen that over 116 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: and over and it happened to me as well when 117 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: I became a victim of violent crime. The families trying 118 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: to think of any alternative other than she's dead and 119 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: someone killed her. We just heard Jimmy stating, Oh, well, 120 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: she's at the hospital, we can go get her. Are 121 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,679 Speaker 1: we're going to fix it or she's going to be okay, 122 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: And then that moment when they're told, for instance, in 123 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: this case, this child is never coming home and that 124 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: someone killed her. 125 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 10: Yeah. 126 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 11: I think Jinny hit it right on the head when 127 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 11: she said that she was in shock and it doesn't 128 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 11: sink in the finality of what has occurred. And I 129 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 11: think most crime victims, you know, they leave the room 130 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 11: of their loved one intact the way it was the 131 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 11: last time they sold them forever because that losing a 132 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 11: loved one and having that piece of you cut out, 133 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 11: there's no way that's ever going to get put back there. 134 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 11: It's never going to come back, and you kind of 135 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 11: disassociate yourself from the reality of it because you don't 136 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 11: want to believe that this actually happened. 137 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: To understand a kidnap murder, to begin to even try 138 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: to solve it, you have to understand who is your 139 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: victim listens, Laura. 140 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 7: Lee Spear, fifteen in her freshman year at DeLand High School, 141 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 7: is over the moon to learn she's made Junior varsity 142 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 7: cheer squad. Many other hobbies keep her busy, piano lessons, 143 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 7: church choir practice, and volunteering with the Keiettes, a school 144 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 7: service organization. David and Barbara Spear are immensely proud of 145 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:39,079 Speaker 7: their model student, and Laura Lee's punctuality and stellar grades 146 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 7: make her a great role model for her younger sister, Jenny. 147 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace straight out to another special 148 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: guest joining us attadive Cordell LeMay, Major case homicide detective 149 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: in Volusia County Sheriff's Office. Detective, thank you for being 150 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: with us. I also think, detective, that the start the 151 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: harsh dichotomy, the trying to get your mind around the 152 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: fact that you just saw your daughter a couple of 153 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: hours ago when she left to go to school, and 154 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: everything was fine. I've heard that phrase one hundred times 155 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:32,719 Speaker 1: from crime victim's families. Everything was fine, and then suddenly 156 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: they learn not only is the little girl dead, kidnapped 157 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: off the school bus after she takes a few steps 158 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: from a school bus, but that someone killed her. It 159 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: wasn't a car accident, it wasn't some other type of mishap. 160 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: Someone actually targeted a little teen cheerleader getting off the 161 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: school bus and murdered her. 162 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 8: Yeah, just to look at the facts of the case 163 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 8: like that, it's it's horrible, obscene even and it's a 164 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:11,119 Speaker 8: it's a terrible situation. You have Laurley Spear here, fifteen 165 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 8: year old girl, like you said, a model student, a 166 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 8: model daughter, and she's a true victim. Didn't have a 167 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 8: bad bone in her body, just minding her own business, 168 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 8: going about her life getting off the school bus. From 169 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 8: what I understand, she wanted to be a doctor, I 170 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 8: think a veterinarian when she grew up, and that all 171 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 8: that was taken away from her, she never got that chance. 172 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 8: All that was taken away from her family by some 173 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 8: you know, awful person out there that probably got most 174 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 8: likely free, you know. 175 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: And knowing the entire time that he and I guarantee you, 176 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: of course I'm not an eyewitness, but it is a 177 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 1: he knowing he has little really gotten away with the murder. 178 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: Well not if we have anything to do it. Let's 179 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: go back to the moment that Mom realizes Laura Lee 180 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: is not coming home. She hasn't made it home off 181 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: that school bus. 182 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 5: And she was. 183 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: Very, very punctual. We hear that throughout. She doesn't go 184 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: meander around the neighborhood. She doesn't go to a friend's 185 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: house without telling mom. Nothing like that. No trips to 186 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:29,839 Speaker 1: the mall after school. She walked straight home. That's how 187 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: Mom knew in her core that something was horribly wrong. 188 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 5: Listen, start walking home, Yeah, my neighborhood. Start down the road. 189 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 9: Start walking towards the house. 190 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 5: Yeah. 191 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 2: And she's not today neighbor's house or anything we have. 192 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 2: You know, if you're checking the. 193 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 5: Neighbors, call all the neighbors, they all say that. 194 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: Well, but. 195 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 5: May said the next compty not fear at their house. 196 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 8: Okay, hold on one second. 197 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:08,439 Speaker 5: Okay, So she got on about three three fifteen. He 198 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 5: got off the books for approximately three tens of Previousteen, okay, 199 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 5: hold lot of seconds. 200 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: Joining me In addition to Laurlee's sister Jenny Bissell, Detective LeMay, 201 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: and Sheriff Chitwood, Cheryl McCollum is joining US forensics expert, 202 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: the founder of the Cold Case Research Institute and star 203 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: of a hit podcast Zone seven. Cheryl, thank you for 204 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,439 Speaker 1: being with us. You and I have seen a lot 205 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 1: of missing person cases. We've seen a lot of homicide 206 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: cases as a matter of fact, the last seven to 207 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: eight years, and the District Attorney's office I handled strictly 208 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: and exclusively murder, serial murder, cerial rape, cyril child, mola 209 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: station and any type of arson. So we have certainly 210 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: seen a lot of cases. But a child getting kidnapped 211 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: and murder straight off the school bus, and of course 212 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: everybody looks at the school bus driver. It wasn't the 213 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: school bus driver. The driver just kept going with the children, 214 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:15,119 Speaker 1: was still driving the bus by the time that Laurale's 215 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: body was found. Cheryl, here is a stark and jarring 216 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: statistic that I learned from Mark Class Victims' Rights Champion. 217 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: Over well over thirty percent of child strangers stranger abductions 218 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: occur on a school route, going to school, walking to school, 219 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: walking to the bus, coming back home, getting off the bus, 220 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: drop off, pickup. That right there, and that should shake 221 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: the shoulders of everybody in Congress if they could look 222 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: up for their money making ventures and realize that that's 223 00:14:55,840 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: where money needs to go in policing, school bus trouts, 224 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: school bus stops, school buses. But that's a whole nother 225 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: can of worms. Let me get back to something that 226 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: I can actually affect, and that is finding Laura Lee's killer. 227 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 4: Jump in Nancy from where the bus dropped her off 228 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 4: the walk to her home. When I walked the scene 229 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 4: and drove it with Detective le May, what leaped out 230 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 4: at me is from where she was dropped off to 231 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 4: the crime scene, she literally had to pass her house. 232 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 9: This person in broad daylight. 233 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 4: Knew a remote location of a house that had been 234 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 4: burned down a year before half law Lee's home to 235 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 4: drive her to that location. So to me, that tells 236 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 4: me this killer was familiar with that area. 237 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 12: Spears daily routine is to walk home from her bus 238 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 12: stop on the corner of Deerfoot Road out Spring Garden. 239 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 12: The one half mile walk usually takes about ten minutes. 240 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 12: Laura Lee always meets her mother at home by three 241 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 12: point thirty, even if she stops to watch the neighbor's horses. 242 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 12: When laur Lee is a half an hour late, Barbara 243 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 12: Spear calls nine to one one in a panic, reporting 244 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 12: her daughter missing. 245 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 6: Laura Lee's Spear only fifteen years old, abducted, shot just 246 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 6: yards away from her home. Her body found in a 247 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 6: burned down, abandoned house. 248 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: I've been listening very carefully to all the nine one 249 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: one calls, and I want you to hear something that 250 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: is integral and every parent should know this. Listen. 251 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 5: Could I'd come back out and look she would be 252 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 5: carrying or she would have had the room her. 253 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 4: Back back back. 254 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Mom knows exactly what Laura Lee is wearing. 255 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: She can describe the backpack. I can describe my children's shoes, 256 00:16:53,800 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: their socks, what they're wearing. The works eggsists exactly every day. 257 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: I know my children wore today and summer break. Did 258 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: you hear the mom? She is that attentive to her 259 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: child that she knows exactly what Laura Lee's even her 260 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 1: backpack looks like joining me in All Star panel, But 261 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: I want to go back to Laurreley's sister, Virginia Jenny 262 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: Bissell and speaking to Jenny. As I have discovered with 263 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: so many other crime victims of violent crime, it never 264 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 1: goes away. It's always just beneath the surface and anything 265 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 1: much less somebody asking you a direct question about it, 266 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: anything can trigger it. It never goes away. Would you 267 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 1: agree with that, Jenny. 268 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:48,959 Speaker 2: That's absolutely correct. 269 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: How that affected your life? What makes you remember, Like 270 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: in the middle of a day, You'll be having a 271 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: perfectly fine day and all of a sudden, somebody brings 272 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:02,640 Speaker 1: it up up or something reminds you. What triggers that 273 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 1: Laura Le's the memory of Laura Lee's disappearance and murder. 274 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 10: Anything can really trigger a memory, like just going about 275 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 10: my day, or even like talking. 276 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 2: To my parents. 277 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 10: It's it can be anything, to be quite honest, like 278 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 10: even hearing a song from back in the day. It's 279 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 10: it can be a multitude of things. Even driving around 280 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 10: town because I still live in DeLand and stay close 281 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 10: to my parents, So just even driving to the house 282 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 10: because they still live in the same house, so taking 283 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 10: that road every day, it just reminds me. 284 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 1: I understand, your parents, particularly your mom has never quote 285 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,479 Speaker 1: gotten over Laura Lee's murder. 286 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, It's significantly impacted her. 287 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 10: All of our lives really, but definitely for her, she 288 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 10: feels the guilt. 289 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 2: I think it's survivor's guilt for. 290 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 10: Us because for me, just walking down knowing that I 291 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 10: took the same step so she did that same day 292 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 10: and thinking why her it should have been me, you know, 293 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 10: like I wish it was me, you know, I mean, 294 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 10: those thoughts happened a lot. 295 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 1: One thing I know is that the moment that nine 296 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: on one call was made, Ellie, law enforcement jumped into 297 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: action Lessen. 298 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 7: Just sixteen minutes after Barbara Spear reports fifteen year old 299 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 7: Laura Lee missing, the Lucia County Sheriffs are on the 300 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 7: ground searching for the teen. Air one the Sheriff's helicopter 301 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 7: is already in the air and begins scanning the neighborhood 302 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 7: for Laura Lee. At five point thirty five pm, the 303 00:19:56,119 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 7: pilot spots a body lying behind an abandoned home, while 304 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 7: from the Spear home, officers on the ground find Laura 305 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 7: Lee Spear lying crumpled on a concrete slab behind the 306 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 7: burned out home, shot to. 307 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: Death and shot multiple times. This girl, this teen cheerleader, 308 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: an honor student, shot multiple times, her body only spotted 309 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 1: by helicopter flying over. It was so far back in 310 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: a burned out home that only a local would have 311 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: known about. In addition to our all star panel, including 312 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: laur Lee's sister, Jenny, Alexis Terschak is joining us investigative 313 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: reporter crimeonline dot Com Alexis, thank you for being with us. 314 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: For those just joining us, give me a recap about 315 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: how Laura Lee went missing that afternoon. 316 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 13: So Laurlee, fifteen years old, freshman in high school, gets 317 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 13: off her school list. She lives kind of on a 318 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 13: whirl road. This is Florida, in DeLand, Florida. It's a 319 00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 13: little bit east in a little bit south of dayt 320 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 13: Ti a beach, very leafy. This isn't right on the water. 321 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 13: And she normally walks home less than a mile point 322 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 13: seven tenths of a mile takes her about ten minutes. 323 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 13: She walks every single day. She comes home from the 324 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 13: school on the school bus. She does not arrive at home. 325 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 13: She gets off the bus between three and three fifteen pm. 326 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 13: She is always home by three thirty. The neighbors in 327 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 13: between the school bus and her house they have horses. 328 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 13: She loves to stop there and look at the horses 329 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 13: and then we'll make her way home. So she does 330 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 13: not arrive at home, and her mom panics. She starts 331 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 13: calling around. She calls her friend. The friend says, nope, 332 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 13: I saw her get off the bus. She calls the 333 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 13: neighbor the next do her neighbor. There's one house between them. 334 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 13: The neighbor says, no, she is not here, and then 335 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 13: the mom calls the police immediately, right away, doesn't wait 336 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 13: two hours, doesn't think, well, maybe she stayed at school 337 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 13: or a friend picked her up or anything. Because this 338 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 13: girl is so punctual. She's a straight A student. She 339 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 13: just made the JV cheerly squad. She volunteers at school. 340 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 13: She never give she as you can see, she plays 341 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,120 Speaker 13: the piano. She does everything by the book. So her 342 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 13: mom knew immediately that something was wrong. 343 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 1: Exactly how was Laureley found tilled, because, as we all know, 344 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: details matter. 345 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 6: Laura at least Spear is found lying in a pool 346 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 6: of her own blood, shot in the back of the 347 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 6: head three times. Spear's hands had been tied together, and 348 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 6: much of her clothing is missing or torn away. Spear 349 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 6: has bruising across her body, leading investigators to believe she 350 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 6: was beaten. It appears Spears's attacker attempted to sexually assault her, 351 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 6: and the teen fought back in her final moments. Remnants 352 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 6: of Spear's clothing are found scattered along Deerfoot Road in 353 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 6: the days after her death, The tragic slaying of a 354 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 6: young fifteen year old girl haunts a small Florida town. 355 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 6: Kidnapped from her school bus and shot dead. Who killed 356 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 6: La relieve spear what clues were left behind? 357 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 7: Listen immediately after Laura Lee's spear has found shot. It's 358 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 7: all hands on deck to find out what happened to 359 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 7: the teen in her short walk home from the bus. 360 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 7: Detectives believe Laura Lee only made it about two hundred 361 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 7: yards from the bus stop when she was attacked and abducted. 362 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 7: They estimate Laura Lee was dead within twenty five minutes 363 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 7: of getting off the bus. The bus driver says, nothing 364 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 7: seemed out of the ordinary as you watched Laura Lee 365 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 7: start her walk home, and a small group of people 366 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 7: selling plans along the route also don't recall seeing anything 367 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 7: or anyone suspicious as Laura Lee passed by. 368 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: To Cheryl McCollum, a forensics expert who has personally investigated 369 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 1: this case as well, along with Sheriff Chipwood and Detective 370 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: le May, Cheryl, two hundred yards, it's all over in 371 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 1: two hundred yards. That tells me the purp had to 372 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: be in a vehicle, who would know about that area 373 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: and that burned out house other than a local. The 374 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: house was not right on the street. And it all 375 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 1: happened within two hundred yards that's not even a football field. 376 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 1: That also tells me this was not just a crime 377 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: of opportunity. Somebody knew about that bus stop. Somebody had 378 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: targeted Laura Lee. That opens me up to who. Okay, 379 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: I know where mom and dad are, so they can 380 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 1: be ruled out, But who had seen her at one 381 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 1: of the games where she was a cheerleader, Who had 382 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: seen her at some of her many activities she took 383 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,719 Speaker 1: part in, of course, And you've got to look at 384 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: those closest to her. Although I mentioned the parents have 385 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 1: been ruled out, but beyond that, you've got to look 386 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,439 Speaker 1: at uncles. You've got to look at family. Somebody that 387 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 1: knew she was getting off that bus stop. Then what 388 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: do you make of just two hundred yard Cheryld Nancy? 389 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 4: You make bus stops. They are a pattern built in 390 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 4: for kidnappers. They know exactly when that bus is going 391 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 4: to be at the intersection, and they don't have to 392 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 4: follow it more than one day to know that only 393 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 4: one student gets off there from the high school. 394 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 9: I believe this person is local. 395 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 4: I believe they did know her in some way, and 396 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 4: I absolutely know they knew that area, no doubt about it. 397 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, Cheryl, I don't disagree with you, but 398 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,640 Speaker 1: that's just a bald assertion. Explain why again. 399 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 4: That house is way off the road, it had been 400 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 4: burned out a year before. Local teenagers went there to 401 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 4: drink and smoke pot and hang out. 402 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 9: It's a very narrow group that would know. 403 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 4: That house, be familiar with that house, know that Laura 404 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 4: Lee would get off the bus by herself, be able 405 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 4: to grab her, control her, because they did have a firearm, 406 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 4: drive her to the house, tie her up, assault her, 407 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 4: get rid of her book bag, and drive away. 408 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 9: This was very fast. This was not a long drawn 409 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 9: out crime by any means. 410 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: To Sheriff Mike Shipwood, the elected sheriff in Volusia County Sheriff, 411 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Listening to Cheryl speak, 412 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: it jumps out at me that if this was a 413 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 1: teen hangout, then a natural assumption, not a leap of logic, 414 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: would be that a teen, an older teen did this. 415 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: And of course we know the killers typically not always, 416 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: but typically kill within their own race. That tells me 417 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: I'm looking at a white male between I know we 418 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: can drive between sixteen and to really push it, I 419 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,479 Speaker 1: go to twenty five to twenty nine max. What do 420 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 1: you make of that? 421 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 11: That's exactly what the investigators focused on in the yearly goings. 422 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 11: You know, this killer brought a firearm, and the killer 423 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 11: brought a ligature to be able to fasten her hands 424 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 11: together and tie her up. And again, as everybody keeps saying, 425 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,160 Speaker 11: this burned down house, when you if you go see 426 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 11: the topography, you don't know about that unless you're from 427 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 11: that area. You're back there drinking, you're back there smoking weed. 428 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 11: It's got to be somebody that can drive. It's somebody 429 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 11: that's familiar with the comings and goings there, And that's 430 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 11: what the investigation has focused on through all of these years. 431 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 1: And it's somebody to detective of Cordell Lea May. It's 432 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 1: somebody that's not at work in the middle of the 433 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: day that strikes me. I grew up in one of 434 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: those homes where everybody either went to school or they 435 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: went to work, and nobody ever laid out. Nobody even 436 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 1: dared say, ooh, I feel bad today. No, everybody goes 437 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: to work. And I walked home every day from school 438 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: on a dirt road, just like Jenny is describing where 439 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: crime nobody ever even heard of it, just like around 440 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:53,400 Speaker 1: the time when she Laura Lee goes missing. Hey, Detective 441 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: le May, I'm curious about the ligature, and the Sheriff's 442 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: brought up a really good point. This person came prepared, 443 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: they had ligatures, they had a gun, they were in 444 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: a vehicle, they wanted at work, and they knew about 445 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: this hideout and this old burned out house where tane smoked. 446 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: And did pot So question what type of ligatures were used? 447 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 8: So it's it was. 448 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: It was rope. 449 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 8: It was a thin rope like twine almost, and it 450 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 8: was loosely tied around her wrists. So it's not like 451 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 8: this person was, you know, an expert or you know, 452 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 8: a boy scout or something like that where they were 453 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 8: familiar with tighten note knots. I was looped around a 454 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 8: couple of times, not super tight, but uh, you know, 455 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 8: it was enough to bind her hands and keep keep 456 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 8: her from using them. And you know, unless at some 457 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 8: point during during what happened, she managed to loosen up 458 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 8: herself and for herself a little bit, there's no way 459 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 8: to know that. 460 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: You know Sherylan colem Based on what Detective Cordell Lea 461 00:28:55,760 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: May just said, it may not have required tight buying. 462 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: If she had taken a blow to the face or 463 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: any attack at all, I doubt that she could have 464 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: fought back, but she wasn't bound leading me up to 465 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: that is an excellent source of DNA. Why because whoever's 466 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: tying the knot has to pull the rope and it 467 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: goes across your hands if it is collected correctly and 468 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: at that time I mean touch DNA. The advent of 469 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: touch DNA has just been in the last couple of years. 470 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: Nobody knew about epithelial cells when Laura Lee was murdered. 471 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: That has just happened. That's a major advancement. But that 472 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: is an incredible source for DNA evidence. 473 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,479 Speaker 4: Ryl it is and that's something Detective LeMay and I 474 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 4: have talked about to test and retest all the items 475 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 4: and Nancy. 476 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 9: The other thing that is. 477 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 4: Pretty clear is because of the Lucia County, this evidence 478 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 4: was located and collected so quickly. You're talking about within 479 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 4: thirty minutes they had it. They saw her. And here's 480 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 4: the other thing about this killer. Yes, he came with 481 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 4: a loaded weapon and something to bind her with, but 482 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 4: he made no effort to conceal her body. So again 483 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 4: this leads me to think this person is young, they 484 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 4: were inexperienced in this type of crime, and I believe 485 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 4: his DNA will be on some of the items that 486 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 4: were left at. 487 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 9: That saintle. 488 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace to Sheriff Mike with special 489 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: guests joining us today elected Sheriff Felicia County Sheriff. Was 490 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: she sex assaulted this fifteen year old teen girl? 491 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 11: She was, and we have again because of the great 492 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 11: work by the initial detectors, we have that DNA and 493 00:30:56,120 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 11: it has been I guess we've excluded probably fifth these 494 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 11: suspects based on that y star DNA that we have. 495 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: So she was molested. I understand Cheryl McCollum that she 496 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: was partially nude. 497 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 9: Correct, That's my understanding. 498 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 4: So again, some of the clothing left owned her is 499 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 4: extremely interesting to me because I believe we can get 500 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 4: more DNA and maybe develop an entire profile from that. 501 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: Okay, what I'm getting at, Cheryl, I'm glad that she 502 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: was partially clothed. Why because there's a better chance of 503 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: me getting DNA off the clothes, if her pants were 504 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: yanked down, or sure it was ripped open, anything along 505 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: those lines, I'm getting more of a chance of getting DNA. 506 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: You know, some victims are forced to disrobe themselves. That's 507 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: not what happened here, because she was tied up. And 508 00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: I want to apologize to Virginia Jenny at Basel. This 509 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 1: is Laura Lee's sister, who is haunted by this to 510 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: this day. We have launched into the only thing we 511 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: know how to do. This is all we're good for. 512 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: Jenny is analyzing facts, analyzing evidence, and building a case. 513 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: And you're sitting there hearing me talking about her being bound. 514 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: Was she partially clothed? Was she forced to disrobe herself 515 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: while you're thinking of your sister as one of the loves, 516 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: the great loves of your life. And I want to 517 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: apologize about the analytical way we're describing what happened. And 518 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 1: I hope you understand what we're doing. 519 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 2: No, No, I totally understand. 520 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: I want to talk about retesting, and I also want 521 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: to you know, so often we hear, oh, the cops 522 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: did this wrong, they did that wrong, the sheriff screwed 523 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: this up, blah blah, blah, and sometimes it's true, but 524 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: not in this case. If you only knew the immediate 525 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 1: rollout out, the canvassing, the aerial, the dogs, everything they 526 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:06,719 Speaker 1: were on it. Listen. 527 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 12: Officers from the Ormond Beach Police Department joined Belusia County 528 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 12: Sheriffs to canvas Spears neighborhood for a week. Over one 529 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 12: thousand tips are collected in the month following Laura Lee's murder, 530 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 12: and police learn a group of people are hanging out 531 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 12: and shooting guns at the burned down home where the 532 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 12: body is found. Neighbors also report seeing a dark colored 533 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 12: truck near the crime scene. 534 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 6: Laura Lee's Spears family continues their fight to identify the 535 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 6: teen's killer. Police call for the public's help to solve 536 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 6: the case and bring a killer to justice. 537 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 1: Then there is what we think is going to be 538 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: a big break in the case. Listen. 539 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 7: Six months past and then a tip from an inmate 540 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 7: comes in claiming Bobby Rawley says he killed Laura Lee Spear. Raleigh, 541 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 7: twenty is a waiting trial for the double murder of 542 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 7: two West beallusihah men killed six weeks after spears death. 543 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 7: Raleigh also owns a dark colored truck matching the description 544 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 7: of the one spotted near the crime scene. Raley is 545 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 7: charged with the murder of Laura Lee Spear. He vehemently 546 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 7: denies involvement. Nearly three years in, Raley manages to produce 547 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 7: a solid alibi, receipts showing he was at a car 548 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 7: repair shop at the time of the murder. The chargers, 549 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 7: they're dropped, and the Lucia County Sheriffs are bank to 550 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 7: square one. 551 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 1: Jenny Massel, Laura Ley's sister. That had to be like 552 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:29,320 Speaker 1: a gut punch. They think they've got the guy. They investigate, investigate, 553 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 1: and investigate. Three years pass and suddenly he has a 554 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: rock solid alibi. Why he didn't produce it earlier that 555 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 1: I don't know, but he did produce it, and after 556 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: three years of thinking the killer was caught, you find 557 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: out no, that's not him. That had to be horrible 558 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:49,760 Speaker 1: for your family, right. 559 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 10: It was like taking the window of our sales kind of. 560 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 10: We were very hopeful that. 561 00:34:58,440 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 2: We had the. 562 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 10: Guy, but then to be let down to say though, no, 563 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:08,760 Speaker 10: it didn't work out. It was disheartening to say the least. 564 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 10: And then having to go back to square one to 565 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 10: try to figure out who it could potentially be now 566 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 10: your guard is up now because you think, oh I 567 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:24,319 Speaker 10: can breathe, you know, because before you're always having to 568 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,840 Speaker 10: look over your shoulder, or you know, is it this person? 569 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 5: It? 570 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 2: Could it be that person? 571 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: You know? 572 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 2: I mean we're still living in that and that fear 573 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 2: of who could it be? 574 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 5: Now? 575 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: That has got to be complete. Hell that every time 576 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,839 Speaker 1: you get to the local grocery store you look at 577 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: a guy and think, well, was it you? Were you 578 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: the one watching my sister? Did you sex assault and 579 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: murder her? Did you bind my sister and leave her 580 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 1: lying out in the open? That way? I would be 581 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 1: suspicious of everybody I saw you. Look at the preacher, 582 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: You'll go to church, custodian, the school, custodian, the neighbors. 583 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 1: Everybody is under a cloud of suspicion. But today Sheriff 584 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 1: Mike Chitwood has a major announcement for us. He is 585 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: not sitting back and just reviewing case files. He's doing 586 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 1: something about it. Sheriff Chitwood, could you describe the new 587 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,280 Speaker 1: reward that you are announcing? I kind, Nancy. 588 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,840 Speaker 11: Today would have been Laura Lee's forty six birthday. 589 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 3: It's thirty years since this horrific brutal sexual assault and 590 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 3: execution occurred to this young lady and that finally was destroyed. 591 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 3: We are offering one hundred thousand dollars reward for information 592 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 3: leading to the arrest of persons or persons who were 593 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 3: responsible for this horrific act. 594 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 1: You know, Sheriff, that is amazing. Number one, that you 595 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 1: and Detective le May are still working this case. You 596 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: want justice, but somehow you have managed to raise one 597 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars to finish this investigation. That never happened, Sheriff. 598 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,800 Speaker 1: That never happens. Most cases have no reward at all, 599 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 1: nothing much less one hundred thousand dollars reward. That's amazing, Nancy. 600 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 3: We don't know what else to do. 601 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,359 Speaker 11: The detectives throughout the decades have poured their heart and 602 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,279 Speaker 11: soul into this case. Detective de LeMay even was up 603 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,400 Speaker 11: in Philadelphia with the Ydox Society going through this case 604 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 11: with dozens and dozens of cold case investigators. 605 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 3: We have to do something. 606 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 11: As you said, this whole segment, people knew, people know 607 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 11: this was not this was This was not something that 608 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,239 Speaker 11: happened in the strange. It was not something that was 609 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 11: a spur of the moment it was planned. People know 610 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 11: they need to do the right thing now for Laura 611 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:56,240 Speaker 11: Lee and for her family. 612 00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 6: The hunt continues for Laura Lee's spears killer. Could a 613 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,720 Speaker 6: jailhouse confession be the key to closing this cold case? 614 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 14: Every day now day goes by that I don't think 615 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 14: about her. Always wonder what she would think of her 616 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:20,400 Speaker 14: Christmas or Thanksgiving, her birthday. Always wonder where's she'll be 617 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 14: at if things were different, if somebody had just left 618 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:30,799 Speaker 14: her alone that day and let her live, what life 619 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 14: would be like with her here. I'm sure it had 620 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 14: been a lot happier. 621 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 1: You are hearing sister Jenny Bissell, who to this day 622 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 1: is haunted by her sister's kidnap, assault, and murder just 623 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,319 Speaker 1: two hundred yards less than two hundred yards from the 624 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 1: bus stop. Cheryl McCollum, I want to talk about retesting 625 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 1: this DNA. How can we make that happen? In addition 626 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:03,240 Speaker 1: to this incredible, incredible reward, the sheriff has cobbled together 627 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 1: Sheriff Chitwood and Detective La May announcing today a one 628 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:13,440 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollar reward for information leading to solving Laura 629 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 1: Lee's murder. What about retesting. 630 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,719 Speaker 4: Cheryl McCollum, you know, the detective Lamy and I have 631 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:23,319 Speaker 4: already talked about getting perhaps her broad essentially to a 632 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 4: private lab like OUTHRAM. It's going to be critical that 633 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,319 Speaker 4: they retest everything, even if something's already been tested. The 634 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,360 Speaker 4: technology today is nothing compared to what they could do 635 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety four. They can do things now that 636 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,720 Speaker 4: would have been unheard of. Author only needs six sales 637 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 4: to get a full, you know, profile of a suspect. 638 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,920 Speaker 4: We've got to get everything to this as soon as 639 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,400 Speaker 4: we can. And I'll tell you, Nancy what I just 640 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,320 Speaker 4: heard the sheriff say. There is one hundred thousand reasons 641 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,000 Speaker 4: for somebody to come forward and. 642 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,720 Speaker 1: To Sheriff Mike Chitwood, the Lucia CA On the elected 643 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,320 Speaker 1: sheriff who's announcing one hundred thousand dollar reward to solve 644 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:09,840 Speaker 1: this case. Sheriff, the perp may not have been in 645 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 1: the database at the time Laurelle was murdered, but I 646 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:21,360 Speaker 1: guarantee you this guy didn't commit a one time sex assault, kidnapped, murder, 647 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,200 Speaker 1: no way. He had to have done something else, some 648 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 1: violent crime. Since Laurelle was murdered, he should be in 649 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,200 Speaker 1: the database. Now, would you agree with that? This ain't 650 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:34,759 Speaker 1: a one off? 651 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,600 Speaker 11: Yeah, I absolutely one percent agree with that. And you 652 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,239 Speaker 11: know he did it, he got away with it. This 653 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 11: is something I believe was in his DNA. There are 654 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,920 Speaker 11: other probably sexual assault victims or homicide victims out there 655 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:46,879 Speaker 11: related to this guy. 656 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:51,240 Speaker 1: We've got to get this DNA to off Ram Labs 657 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:57,839 Speaker 1: or a similar lab that handles UH degenerated or degraded 658 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:03,240 Speaker 1: DNA or old DNA. It's a specialty Niche to Virginia 659 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:09,759 Speaker 1: Jenny Bissell, this is Laura Lee's sister. What is your 660 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 1: message today? To whomever you want it to be heard, 661 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,759 Speaker 1: wherever you want it to be heard. It can be 662 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 1: to DeSantis, the governor. It can be to Moody, the 663 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 1: Florida Attorney General. It can be to the public. What 664 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:27,279 Speaker 1: is your message? 665 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:35,040 Speaker 10: My message would be that Larley needs justice, our family 666 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:42,520 Speaker 10: needs to find peace, and on top of that, laar 667 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 10: Leine needs to rest in peace. We need to find 668 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,959 Speaker 10: her killer and we need to do by whatever means 669 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:56,480 Speaker 10: necessary to find it. And the fact that someday has 670 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:57,880 Speaker 10: been quiet for this long. 671 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:05,640 Speaker 2: Unacceptable. You can run, you can hide, but we'll catch 672 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,560 Speaker 2: up to you. I'm not giving up. 673 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,839 Speaker 1: And it's not just the purp Jenny. It could be 674 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,840 Speaker 1: the mom who washed bloody clothes. It could be the 675 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:20,000 Speaker 1: dad who realized his teen had taken the family gun 676 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,480 Speaker 1: that day. It could be a number of people. Someone 677 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,080 Speaker 1: may be the purp bragg to or new too much 678 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:31,520 Speaker 1: information and talked about it, or asked too many questions, 679 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,640 Speaker 1: or followed the case in an odd or obsessive way. 680 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:42,400 Speaker 1: Someone knows the answer to this riddle who killed Laura Lee. 681 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,400 Speaker 1: If you know or even think you know any information 682 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,880 Speaker 1: about Laura Lee's kidnapped from the school bus and murder, 683 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:55,719 Speaker 1: dial three eight six two five, four five three seven. 684 00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 1: There is a new one hundred thousand dollars rewards to 685 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 1: share of Mike Chitwood. Thank you to our guests for 686 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:08,160 Speaker 1: being with us. Thank you to you for joining us here, 687 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:15,480 Speaker 1: but especially to Jenny Bissell, who tells the story of 688 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:25,000 Speaker 1: her sister's murder. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend.