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Okay, 11 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 1: welcome back l A Marzuli with us l A of 12 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: course Roswell. July, we are coming up on the seventieth anniversary. 13 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: My gosh, can you believe that? Absolutely incredible? But what 14 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 1: else is new? What's new? Have you found something? What 15 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: was interesting? Is um? This this woman wrote me a 16 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: while back, and what she does for a living. She 17 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: will go into um people at the end of life 18 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 1: and she'll dismantle their estates for them, sell parts of 19 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: their estate. If they've got goods or collections of something, 20 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 1: whatever it is, she'll she'll try to find a buyer 21 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: for it and sell it and then give the money 22 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: to the person to the estate by the person still 23 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: a lot. One such person was this man called Colonel Hill. Now. 24 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:31,199 Speaker 1: She she contacted me because she had some figurines, which 25 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: one of them which had an elongated head. And that's 26 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: that's how I came into it. That's how I met her. 27 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: She said, would you be interested in looking at She 28 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: sent me a picture and I bought it from her. 29 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: They came from Asia. I thought it was very interesting 30 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: to add it to my collection. So one thing led 31 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: to another in the midst of the conversation and emails 32 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: going back and forth, and she said, well, I've got 33 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: some information on Roswell and I my years picked up 34 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: and I said, well, what do you mean? And she 35 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: told me the story, and I my wife and I 36 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: flew to San Antonio a while back and we interviewed 37 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: her and her husband again. Body of language. They're both 38 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: sitting in front of the camera and and it's Jim 39 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: and Caroline, and Jim looks at the camera and goes, 40 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: the testimony you're about to hear is true, just like that. 41 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: It's just guy's got a beard, he's big guy. It's 42 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: just the testimony about the heir is true, and she 43 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: kind of nodds her head and she's, uh, just a 44 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: wonderful lady, really bright, very articulate, and again she's got 45 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 1: this business of dismantling people's estates. And one client that 46 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: she had was Colonel Hill the Sky was OSS intelligence 47 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: officer during World War Two. So she got to know 48 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: this man over a two year period. They got to 49 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: be very close, so much so that when his wife died, 50 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: Jim and Caroline took the ashes and he had a 51 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: request that he wanted them spread out in a certain 52 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: area and they did that for him. So there was 53 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: an intimate relationship between them about a month before And 54 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: you know, no one knows this. Yeah, I mean, it's 55 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: the first, this is the first I've never It's obviously 56 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: in the film, but it's it's a coast first. And 57 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 1: what I love about it is is it ties back 58 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: into everything that we've heard. So in the course of 59 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: the conversations and she would visit him every day. Maris 60 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: end of life. About a month before he passed away, 61 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: she was in a conversation with him and she just 62 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: brought it up and she said, well, what about Roswell. 63 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 1: Was it? Was it a weather balloon? I remember, this 64 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: guy is ninety years old at this point, so he's 65 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: an old old man and he's closed to death. He 66 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: passed away a month after the deathbed confession, as it were. 67 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: And he looks at her and he hangs his head 68 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: and he brings it up and he goes, what about it? 69 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: And she goes, was it a weather balloon? And he 70 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: lets out a deep sign, goes, it wasn't a weather balloon. 71 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: And this starts the conversation, and then she spills the beans. 72 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: And I guess you know, George, what it's like. It's 73 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: it's these people, many of these people. And this is 74 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: the same thing with the whistleblowers. They carry these things 75 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: around with them all their life, and it gets to 76 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: the point where they got to tell somebody they got 77 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: to get it off. They want to get get it 78 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: out there, They want to get it out And he 79 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: looked at her and he basically corroborates pretty much everything 80 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 1: we've heard. This guy was oss. He was at Fort Worth, 81 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 1: Dallas for Worth when the crash happened. In apparently he 82 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: was flown into Roswell. Within twenty four eight hours, the moment, 83 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: very very very quickly. She didn't know the exact time frame. 84 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: I want to play a little clip l A of 85 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: the radio broadcast from that event in July Headline the Distance. 86 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: July eighth, the Army Air Forces has announced that a 87 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: flying disc has been found and there's now in the 88 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: possession of the Army. Army officers say that Miss All 89 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: founds sometime last week, has inspected at Rolswell, New Mexico 90 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: and sent to right Field, Ohio for further inspections. The 91 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: American Broadcasting Company at the perioded stations present Headline Edition 92 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 1: with Taylor Grants from all over the world wherever the 93 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 1: day's headlines are made. Headline Edition brings you accurate primarily 94 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: reports on the news behind those headlines, plus informity, then 95 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: person interviews with the men and women who made the 96 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: headlines today. Today's edition presents around us of the latest 97 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: developments in the finding of a flying disp stay in 98 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 1: separate history in the making. Safe tuned to Headline Editions 99 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: now Here's Taylor Grants. Late this afternoon, a Boton from 100 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: New Mexico suggested that the widely publicized mystery of the 101 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: flying saucers may soon be solved. Army Air Force officers 102 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: reported that one of the strange disks had been found 103 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: and inspected sometime last week. Our correspondents in Los Angeles 104 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: and Chicago have been in contact with Army officials, endeavoring 105 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: to obtain all possible late information. Joe Wilson reports with 106 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: Now from Chicago, the Army may be getting to the 107 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,679 Speaker 1: bottom of all this talk about the so called flying suffers. 108 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, the five hundred and ninth 109 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: Atomic Bomb Group headquarters at Roswell, New Mexico, reports that 110 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: it has received one of the discs, which landed on 111 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: a ranch outside Rothwell. The discs landed at a ranch 112 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: at Corona, New Mexico, and a rancher turned it over 113 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: to the Air Force. Rancher W. W. Brizzel was the 114 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: man who discovered the soffer. Colonel William Blanchard of the 115 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: Rothwell Air Base refuses to give details of what the 116 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: flying disc looks like. In Port West, Texas, where the 117 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: object was first sent, Ricketeer General Roger Raymie says that 118 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: it is being shipped by air to the a F 119 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: Research Center at right Field, Ohio. A few moments ago, 120 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: I talked to officials at right Field, and they declare 121 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: that they expect the so called flying suffer to be 122 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: delivered there, but that it hasn't arrived as yet. In 123 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: the meantime. General Raymy describes the object as being of 124 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: flimsy construction, almost like a box type. He says that 125 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: it was so battered that he was unable to determine 126 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 1: whether it had a disc form, and he does not 127 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: indicate it side right. He says that, so far as 128 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: can be determined, no one saw the object in the air, 129 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: and he described it as being made up some sort 130 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: of tinfoil. Other army officials say that further information indicates 131 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: that the object had a diameter of about twenty to 132 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: twenty five feet, and that nothing in the apparent construction 133 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: indicated any capacity for speed, and that there was no 134 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: evidence of a power plant. But this also appeared drew 135 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: Flintley to carry a man. Now back to Taylor Grant 136 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: in New York. See how the cover up started. L A. Absolutely, 137 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: they go from a flying disc a missile, and then 138 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: a day later another report, and all of a sudden 139 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: the military starts backing away from incredible in so back 140 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: to your story of course, So this new information that 141 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: was discovered tells you what basically Colonel Hill stated to 142 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: this woman Caroline and Jim, that he was there, that 143 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: he was flown into Roswell, that it was not a 144 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: weather balloon. And get this, he had contact with one 145 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: of the entities. He had. Colonel Hill had four degrees psychiolatry, psychiatry, theology, philosophy, 146 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: and I forget the fourth one. He had four degrees. 147 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:24,119 Speaker 1: Highly educated man. And he's flown into Roswell within twenty 148 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: fourty eight hours after they find this thing. He's there 149 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: because he's an interrogator. That's what he was in OSS, 150 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: which later became the CIA. So he's an Army intelligence officer, 151 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: interrogator and he's flown in there to try to make 152 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: contact with one of these entities. Colonel Hill stated to 153 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: Carolin Redskin that one of them was still alive, the 154 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: other one was deceased. One was still alive, and he 155 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: tried to make contact with it but was unable to 156 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: do so. And of course they were frantically a tempting 157 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: to keep the second one alive. Secondly, he stated on 158 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: the record, at least to Caroline, that the material was 159 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: shipped to right Patterson which which you know that we 160 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: just heard that that that's true, So there you go. 161 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: She asked him what was different about these these creatures, 162 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: these aliens. What do they look like? He describes the 163 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: classic gray. He says they were short of stature, large heads, 164 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: long libs, black eyes. And she said, well, was there 165 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: any distinguishing feature? And he thinks for a minute, and 166 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: he goes, yes, get this, George. They had six fingers, 167 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: not five. They had six fingers, not five. And at 168 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: the very end of the interview, Caroline remembers another detail. 169 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: And I just love her facial expression. Once again, body 170 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 1: language tells everything. And she looked at the camera and 171 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 1: she goes, oh, yes, yes, they were wearing some sort 172 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: of a suit. They a suit on. So what are 173 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: we to make of this? And I spent an afternoon, 174 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: a lovely dinner with them. I I interviewed them this 175 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 1: this guy is a pastor. Okay, Jim is actually a pastor. 176 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: So he looks at the camera and goes, Colonel Hill 177 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: was not the type of a guy to to pull 178 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: a prank. I'm quoting directly from him. And these people 179 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: knew this man. Intimately, we try tracking him down with 180 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: with one of my private eyes that I used to 181 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: to track people down. Very it was there, but there's 182 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: a sort of a common name, Jesse Hill. We were 183 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: able to track it down to a point I did have. 184 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: She has some paperwork that was signed by him, and 185 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: there's a photograph of that of that actually in the 186 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 1: film to show that there was a connection between the 187 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: two of them. But both of these, both Carol and Jim, 188 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: look right at the camera. I believe their story is true. 189 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 1: And what it does, again, it's not a smoking gun. 190 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: Well never know, unless we can get the right patent, 191 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: who knows that's not there, never gonna happ Well, then 192 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:08,719 Speaker 1: all these great witnesses are dying away, Yeah they are. 193 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: It's it's the guy was ninety years old. This is 194 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: back in two thousand and two. He passed. So there 195 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: you go. Listen to more Coast to Coast a m 196 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: every weeknight at one am Eastern and go to Coast 197 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: to Coast am dot com for more