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Speaker 1: Welcome to Reality with the King.

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Speaker 2: It's me Carlos King, the King of Reality TV and

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Speaker 2: one of the most sought after executive producers in reality

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Speaker 2: television with over ten years of production experience. Twice a

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Speaker 2: week on Reality with the King, we'll sit down with

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Speaker 2: my friends across the entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality

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Speaker 2: shows and revisit unforgettable moments that we are still talking

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Speaker 2: and tweeting about. Hey, rain drops. So look, we got

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Speaker 2: a very juicy, shady episode today because you guys were

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Speaker 2: shading me on Twitter dot com.

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Speaker 1: Child.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I can't even post my opinion or congratulations

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Speaker 2: to another franchise about ratings for you guys start coming

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Speaker 2: from me, like what did I do? This episode is

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Speaker 2: all about the ratings war that I haven't seen on

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Speaker 2: social media as relates to the Real Housewives of Atlanta

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Speaker 2: versus Belly Hills. At the end of the day, what

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Speaker 2: I've noticed is it's sort of like the beehive versus

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Speaker 2: the Navy. Okay, so the Beehive are the Atlanta Housewives

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Speaker 2: and the Navy are the Beverly Hills Housewives. You guys

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Speaker 2: argue upper storm about these ratings, but I'm here to

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Speaker 2: tell you no one cares. You are literally fighting over

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Speaker 2: something that as an industry expert, these networks don't care

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Speaker 2: as much as you do, and I'm here to tell

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Speaker 2: you why.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's get started.

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Speaker 2: It is very old school to care about same day ratings.

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Speaker 2: No one gives a fuck about that anymore, guys, but

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Speaker 2: you do. We live in a day and age each

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Speaker 2: where we have everything at our disposal. We have social media,

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Speaker 2: we have concerts, not that we're able to go outside.

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Speaker 1: We have family, we have day brunches.

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Speaker 2: Honey, we have so much more to do nowadays that

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Speaker 2: gone are the days where you literally sit at home

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Speaker 2: and watch TV at eight o'clock on a Sunday or,

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Speaker 2: in this case for belly Hills, on a Wednesday. So

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Speaker 2: because of that, networks don't care anymore about same day

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Speaker 2: ratings because the world has changed.

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Speaker 1: But guess who haven't change?

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Speaker 2: You fan bases, y'all still argue up and down about

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Speaker 2: reaching one million views, like, no one gives a shit

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Speaker 2: about reaching one million views the same day. When I

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Speaker 2: was producing The Real Housewives of Atlanta, season six was

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Speaker 2: the highest rated season because we got same day audience

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Speaker 2: of four million people. Oh that was back in twenty twelve.

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Speaker 2: This is twenty and twenty two. So what Networth cares about,

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Speaker 2: guys is live plus three.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you what that means.

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Speaker 2: That means the same day plus three days my loves okay,

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Speaker 2: So think about it this way. When Atlanta Housewives come

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Speaker 2: on Sunday, they care about Sunday, Monday, Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: Honey, and even Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: When Beverly Hills come on Wednesday, they care about Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,

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Speaker 2: and even Saturday. So they're not caring about how many

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Speaker 2: millions one show got the same day.

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Speaker 1: No one cares about that.

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Speaker 2: So when I congratulated Beverly Hills for having I think

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Speaker 2: it was one point one five million viewers, y'all read me,

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Speaker 2: tried to shade me, and.

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Speaker 1: Y'all know I can handle it because I don't give

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Speaker 1: a shit.

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Speaker 2: But y'all were so mad at me for congratulating Belly

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Speaker 2: Hills that y'all had the audacity to come for me

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Speaker 2: and my shows, the Love and Marriage Franchise, and y'all

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Speaker 2: talked about how I should worry about my ratings.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, boo, boo, let's not go there.

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Speaker 2: So look, I'm about to school y'all I'm about to

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Speaker 2: give y'all a crash course on ratings.

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Speaker 1: Just called me doctor Carlos Luther King Jr.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and I got my understudy, Coretta Scott.

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Speaker 3: Oh baby, I'm more like. I'm more like Bernie's their daughter. Okay,

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Speaker 3: Bernie's awesome.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Huddie back Okay, that's what this a distantoneod is

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Speaker 2: called back baka.

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Speaker 1: So look, Jasmine, they're trying to me. Baby.

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Speaker 4: They were eating you up a little bit. They were

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Speaker 4: eating you.

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Speaker 1: Up a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I think I mean you made some great points though, right, Like,

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Speaker 3: the networks don't really care about same day because they

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Speaker 3: know people are gonna stream.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna go on our apps.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna go on their own app, Discovery plus the

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Speaker 3: Bravo app.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna do all of that.

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Speaker 3: Peacock right to go and watch the shows if we

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Speaker 3: can't catch them on Sundays. So those same day ratings

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Speaker 3: really don't mean anything.

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Speaker 1: No, they don't mean a thing.

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Speaker 2: And listen, you know how Kim Zoziak said, the ring

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Speaker 2: don't mean a thing. I'm going to create a song

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Speaker 2: called the ratings Don't mean a thing, and I'm going

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Speaker 2: to give it to Beyonce.

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Speaker 4: Oh beat you put on it, she might jump on

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Speaker 4: the track.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So look, I think she'll love it. So look

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, y'all try to get

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Speaker 2: on Carrie Hillston's five G network and tell me, are

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Speaker 3: Kerry Hilton because you just brought up Beyonce. That's shady.

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Speaker 3: You know what you deserved it. You deserved what they

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Speaker 3: did to you until they you deserved it.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, Because Carrie Hillton alleged during COVID or

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Speaker 2: the pandemic, I should say that COVID was started because

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Speaker 2: of the five G towers.

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Speaker 1: So we all have theories.

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Speaker 2: So look, when it comes to own, own is not

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Speaker 2: seen in as many households as Bravo.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: So you know when you guys go to the hotel,

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Speaker 2: the motel, the holiday and say why why yes, okay,

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Speaker 2: shout out to Ludacris anyways, or it was that Chinky

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Speaker 2: I think it was.

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Speaker 4: Chinky holiday in.

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Speaker 1: Lula christ was on the remixed with Snoop Dogg.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So when you're staying at the Four Seasons, you

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Speaker 2: may get owned.

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Speaker 1: Right hotels?

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Speaker 4: What they not get on.

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Speaker 1: At you know, allegedly, I would say Riddan booth in.

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Speaker 3: Not the Red Room super you're not getting on. I

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Speaker 3: don't know if you're gonna get Bravo in either though.

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Speaker 1: Oh you're definitely getting Bravo. The red roof in.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely you're getting Bravo. You're getting VH one BT for sure.

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Speaker 3: Are those like the basic basic basic cable packages versus

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Speaker 3: a premium package?

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Speaker 1: Exactly.

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Speaker 2: We don't have the same availability in households as our counterparts.

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Speaker 2: So based on that formula, Love and Marriage is the

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Speaker 2: most watched show on own and if you go on

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Speaker 2: my Instagram or Twitter you'll see that. Because I ain't

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Speaker 2: got to laugh it's in black and white. Love and

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Speaker 2: Marriage DC is doing very well considering it's a brand

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Speaker 2: new series, it's a brand new franchise. And I know

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Speaker 2: you guys want to compare Potomac ratings to Love and

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Speaker 2: Marriage DC because Monique Samuel's left, not fired, she left

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Speaker 2: Potomac to join Love and Marriage DC, so you guys

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Speaker 2: want to shave her. There's this Twitter page that posts

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Speaker 2: only Brava ratings, and all of a sudden, y'all post

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Speaker 2: in Love and Marriage DC ratings as if it's real comparison.

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Speaker 1: No, it's shady. It's shady.

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Speaker 2: So look, I'm the one who taught the Atlanta Girls

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Speaker 2: how to be shady, so you can't beat me when

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Speaker 2: it comes to that game, baby, period.

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Speaker 3: Now, let me ask you a question, because I think

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Speaker 3: the other side, right is they're also comparing shows that

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Speaker 3: have been on for such a long time.

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Speaker 4: You can't compare how.

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Speaker 3: Long has the Love and Marriage franchise been a thing

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Speaker 3: versus how long has have The Real Housewives been on air?

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Speaker 4: It's not really a good.

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Speaker 2: Comparison, right, No, The Real Housewives have been on for

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Speaker 2: like seventeen eighteen years.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, wow that long?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Ohc it's been like seventeen eighteen years. Love and Marriage

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Speaker 2: Huntsville has been on for four years, So how can

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Speaker 2: compare a eighteen years to four years? The Real Housewives

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Speaker 2: is cemented in pop culture.

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Speaker 1: It is a phenomenon.

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Speaker 2: It has a huge fan base, and I was so

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Speaker 2: blessed and honored to be a part of that.

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Speaker 1: I made The Real house.

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Speaker 2: Was of Atlanta season six the highest rated season or

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Speaker 2: series if you want to go there, guys, ever in

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Speaker 2: Bravo history, and it.

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Speaker 3: Took six seasons for you to do that. Because I

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Speaker 3: guarantee their ratings in season one weren't at well, what

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Speaker 3: was it four million at its height? That wasn't They

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Speaker 3: weren't getting those ratings in season one.

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Speaker 2: Now season one they cracked like six hundred seven hundred thousand,

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Speaker 2: then six seasons later they cracked like four point five

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Speaker 2: four point six million.

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Speaker 1: So it takes time for an audience to grow.

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Speaker 2: This black man created a franchise and that should be celebrated.

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Speaker 1: So while you kind of shade me, is never going to.

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Speaker 2: Work because I created something that is number one on

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Speaker 2: a network that was created by a woman who I

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Speaker 2: love and a mayer to this day. So you can't

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Speaker 2: shade us, baby, And at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: I wasn't shading the Atlanta Girls. I will never and

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Speaker 2: listen to me loud and clear, I will never shade

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Speaker 2: Atlanta Housewives. I'm not that producer who leaves the show

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Speaker 2: and wants to see it fail.

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Speaker 1: I was never that.

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Speaker 2: So much so what y'all don't know, And Jasmine, this

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Speaker 2: would be an exclusive if I wanted the Atlanta Housewives

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Speaker 2: to fail, why do I still talk to some of

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Speaker 2: the housewives and give them advice?

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Speaker 1: On how to make a scene great. Oh, y'tta know that? Huh? Oh? Okay,

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Speaker 1: got it?

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Speaker 3: Are you being paid as a consulting producer when you

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Speaker 3: do this?

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Speaker 2: No, because they're my friends. They're my friends. I told

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Speaker 2: when I left after season nine and I saw how

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Speaker 2: the show wasn't what I thought it would be. I said,

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Speaker 2: at the end end of the day, my name will

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Speaker 2: always be a part of this show, and I wanted

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Speaker 2: to win because it's my legacy. I never want my

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Speaker 2: legacy to be tarnish. I'm not that guy. I want

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Speaker 2: the show to win. And I remember when I had

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Speaker 2: a conversation with the housewives during season nine. I said

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Speaker 2: to them, it is a privilege that we as black

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Speaker 2: people have the number one show on Bravo, and if

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Speaker 2: you ladies do not step it up and stop being comfortable,

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Speaker 2: you are going to lose that spot.

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Speaker 1: You're going to lose it.

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Speaker 2: So now that we see Beverly Hills Housewives as number one,

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Speaker 2: I don't take any pride in that.

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Speaker 1: I warned them.

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Speaker 2: I had this conversation with them, and you can ask

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Speaker 2: all of them if it's true or not.

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Speaker 1: I did because I.

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Speaker 2: Knew that if you remain comfortable this may be your fate.

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Speaker 2: So it saddens me honestly that they're no longer number one,

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Speaker 2: and at the end of the day, Atlanta can't get

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Speaker 2: back to where it was, but it starts with people

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Speaker 2: who are invested in the show.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I think that's a great point that you make.

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Speaker 3: I will say though, you know, if I'm coming from

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Speaker 3: a viewers perspective or somebody on Twitter who wants to

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Speaker 3: read you, it's it's a good comparison to make, right,

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Speaker 3: because you said it yourself. Your legacy is with Real

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Speaker 3: it's golden years, they do think of you being heavily attached,

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Speaker 3: being the producer, and so it's an easy comparison for

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: I think with Beverly Hills, what they missed is when

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Speaker 3: a fans perspective, you weren't coming right. You prod you

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Speaker 3: weren't shading the Real Housewives of Atlanta. You really just

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's that's what it is. I'm a

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Speaker 2: the end of the day, Look, let's be real, let's

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Speaker 2: talk about the same day rating. So now that I

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Speaker 2: schooled you guys that the networks don't care about same day,

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Speaker 2: y'all do, so y'all can stop that little argument.

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Speaker 1: But let's talk about it.

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Speaker 2: It is my fundamental belief that at the end of

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Speaker 1: One point was must see TV.

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Speaker 2: It was like, little girl, I can't go to the

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Speaker 2: I gotta watch Atlanta Housewives because something is happening that

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Speaker 2: I need to see in this moment. It's sort of

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Speaker 2: it live. That's how Atlanta Housewise used to be and

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Speaker 2: in my opinion, and I would love to get yours Jasmin.

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Speaker 2: In my opinion, I just don't think this season is

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Speaker 1: My opinion, but I think they have.

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Speaker 2: This fan base that really wants to watch it the

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Speaker 3: Atlanta has that as well. They just don't have as

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: It used to be an event, Like you said, it

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Speaker 3: I don't want it to be spoiled the same you know,

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Speaker 3: I guess Beverly Hills has That's no shade. But I've

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Speaker 1: Not not, not not this season.

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Speaker 2: Last season I did with Erica Jane drama and Denise

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Speaker 2: Richard's Bravo, Bravo, fucking Bravo.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I never, I never was really into Beverly Hills

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Speaker 3: like that, But I do agree with you. Neither one

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Speaker 1: For you to say that.

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Speaker 2: But when I say I'm a hater, Carlos, it's better

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Speaker 2: focus on your own shows.

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Speaker 1: I have Honey and we're winning.

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Speaker 2: But like, I really think it's like the fan base

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Speaker 2: of musicians, you know how, like your favorite artists can

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Speaker 2: drop a song that may.

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Speaker 1: Not be great, but you're gonna rhyme with them anyway.

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Speaker 2: And play it constantly and say, uh, this song is

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Speaker 2: really good, though, son, like it has a lot of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I can't, I do have I will.

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Speaker 3: It is easier for me to be critical because I'm

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Speaker 3: I'm not heavily attached to the network. So yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 3: I think for you, you just have to you just

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Speaker 3: have to take it, really because you you shouldn't have

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Speaker 1: You said I should not have no.

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Speaker 3: As a long as a as a long standing Real

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Speaker 3: Housewives of Atlanta stand I was burned a little bit

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Speaker 4: The stand in me was like, oh that hurt a

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Speaker 1: I can kind of see why they ate you.

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Speaker 2: And guys, this isn't scripted. She never told me that

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Speaker 2: until now, So why they.

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Speaker 4: Ate you up a little bit?

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Speaker 2: Oh well, not that you guys know my intention. Listen,

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Speaker 2: I'm a fan of reality TV. I want all of

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Speaker 2: us to win, So me saying congratulations was not this

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Speaker 2: sing alan. It was really celebrating that fact that you know,

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Speaker 2: they they're they're the number one franchise and anything can

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Speaker 1: But if I made you.

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Speaker 2: Guys feel like I was shading Atlanta, I apologize.

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Speaker 1: It was my intention.

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Speaker 2: I at the end of the day, Look, I know

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Speaker 2: that I'm the King of Reality TV, but the beauty

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Speaker 2: of me, guys, is although I'm an expert in this field,

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Speaker 2: I'm also a super fan.

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Speaker 1: So when you see those.

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Speaker 2: Moments, guys, know that I'm coming at it as a

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