1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental health podcast 2 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: helping you out of the gray and into the blue. 3 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: Now here's Jay Glacier. 4 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 2: Welcome and to Unbreakable, a mental health podcast with Jay Glazier. 5 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 2: I'm Jay Glazier. And before we get to our guests, 6 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 2: quick word from our sponsor here. If you're like many people, 7 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 2: you may be surprised to learn that one in five 8 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 2: adults in this country experienced mental illness last year, Yet 9 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 2: far too many fail to receive the support they need. 10 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 2: Carolyn behavior Health is doing something about it. They understand 11 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 2: that behavioral health is a key part of whole health, 12 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 2: delivering compassionate care that treats physical, mental, emotional, and social 13 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 2: needs in tandem. Carolyn behavior Health raising the quality of 14 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 2: life through empathy and action. Well, welcome in again to 15 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 2: our Unbreakable podcast and look down, you guys know, normally 16 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 2: on Sunday's I work with the NFL on Fox and 17 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 2: we dominate Sunday mornings. I don't know if we dominate 18 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,119 Speaker 2: as much as the forty nine ers dominated the Cowboys 19 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 2: on Sunday Night, not on our air. And with that 20 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 2: we welcome in their star defensive lineman Eric Armstead. 21 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 3: How you doing, buddy good? How you doing? 22 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,919 Speaker 2: I'm doing great, man. And the first thing I always 23 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 2: ask this of guys always day after a game, no 24 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 2: matter what, how are you feeling? You feel beat up? 25 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 2: Or you didn't really play that much last night because 26 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 2: your your offense just just was just crushing them. 27 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know some games you get beat up when 28 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 4: the plays back up and you know, physical game, team 29 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 4: running the ball or whatever. You know, you can get 30 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 4: get pretty beat up. And there was a lot of 31 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 4: three and outs, a lot of turnovers, so we were 32 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 4: off the field a lie and you know, I didn't 33 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 4: even play the whole fourth quarter. 34 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 3: So I'm feeling feeling feeling pretty good. 35 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 2: Actually, why do you realize that tonight's gonna be a 36 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 2: little different? Like everything's just gonna work right for us. 37 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 4: I've been a part of games, you know, with us 38 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 4: throughout the years, a few games where it's just you know, 39 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 4: stuff just going our way and we're flying around, we're 40 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 4: making plays, and you know, it gets it gets ugly 41 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 4: pretty quick. 42 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 3: And you know, we started off hot. 43 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 4: I think that Fred punching that ball out was it 44 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 4: was a game changer. Obviously, you know, we got got 45 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 4: us a lot of momentum and then you know, they 46 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 4: responded and got a turnover, and then we answered right 47 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 4: back real quick, you know, got to stop, went down 48 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,239 Speaker 4: and scored on them. So I think, you know, from 49 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 4: the very beginning, you know, we kind of dominated. It 50 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 4: could have gotten a little ugly a little faster, you know, 51 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 4: if we executed a little better in those moments as 52 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 4: well too. So you know, it was it was a 53 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 4: big game. We were ready to play and we wanted to, 54 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 4: you know, keep our foot on their throat throughout the game. 55 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 2: Okay, So, like I'm from the fight background, so we 56 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 2: know going in certain fights real quick, sometimes you could 57 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 2: tell you put your hands on someone where you're like 58 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 2: you could tell when somebody else across from news having 59 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 2: an off night, like you just starting his crips, they 60 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 2: were in as sharp, and you're also realized some things 61 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 2: that you're doing. Man, and even like some of you 62 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 2: already fought before trained with like, oh man, I'm taking 63 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:08,399 Speaker 2: them back a lot quicker than I normally, world, I'm 64 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 2: sicking something in a lot quicker. Was it like that 65 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 2: for you guys last night? Did you know it like 66 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 2: coming right out of the gates, like man, either they're 67 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 2: flat or we're so much more energized. 68 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I talked to Trent Williams after the 69 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 4: game and he said, you know, after the first drive, 70 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 4: they felt like on offense that yeah, you know, it 71 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 4: was it was over with that they couldn't stop them. 72 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 3: So that's how they felt. 73 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 4: You know, me personally, I'm battling against the offensive lineman. 74 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 4: You know, I played against Zach Martin, who was a 75 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 4: future Hall of Famer, the whole game, so you know, 76 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 4: I'm locked in. You know, we're we're having our battle 77 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 4: going back and forth, him trying to block me, me 78 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 4: trying to get around him. 79 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 3: So you know I was locked in. You know I was. 80 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 4: I was ready to play the whole entire game and 81 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 4: just stay locked in whenever I play against him. He's 82 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 4: an amazing player and I feel like he brings the 83 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 4: best out of me, and you know, I got to 84 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 4: stay on my A game. 85 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 3: So throughout the game, it was really never. 86 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 4: No, Oh, I'm just gonna just run through him, right, 87 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 4: you know, the entire game where I have played against 88 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 4: some office in linemen, it's like, oh yeah, he can't 89 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 4: stop none of my moves. 90 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 2: So were you guys surprised by anything out there that 91 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 2: is a little bit easier to do against Dak, or 92 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 2: that you able to throw them off the stamps so 93 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 2: quickly in. 94 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 4: Some ways, you know, I think the score was surprising, 95 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 4: but you know, when you look at the game, like 96 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 4: break really break it down, we stopped the run. 97 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 3: That's what we do. We make teams one dimensional. 98 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 4: We were sticky in coverage and we you know, forced 99 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 4: him to you know, play quarterback and make some tough decisions, 100 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 4: and you know that led to turnovers. So that was 101 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 4: the game plan, really, and I think the score got 102 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 4: out of hand. You know, we've got a lot of 103 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 4: respect for them, you know, we think they have a 104 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 4: great team as well too. So the score was surprising, 105 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 4: but you know what we did wasn't necessarily surprising you 106 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 4: because that was the game plan and we went out 107 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 4: there and executed. 108 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 2: Hey, the whole rock pretty thing is unreal. Like it's 109 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 2: it's one thing about being efficient. And look, if you know, 110 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 2: if you click with Kyle, Kyle's a little evil genius. 111 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 2: If you click with his stuff, you'll be real efficient, right, 112 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 2: but his level is is it's ridiculous. You can't tell 113 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 2: me you would ever see that property would have been this. 114 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 3: No, I don't think. 115 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 4: I don't think anybody can, to be honest with you, you know, 116 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 4: he's been playing phenomenal. 117 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 3: I think he should be in the MVP conversation. 118 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,239 Speaker 4: You know, I think we got two guys who should 119 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 4: be in the MVP conversation, him and c MC. And 120 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 4: he's he's just playing at a high level. And I 121 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 4: think that, like you said, you know, if you're able 122 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 4: to understand Kyle and what he wants out of you 123 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 4: and where you need to be efficient and deliver the 124 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 4: ball and run his offense, you know you can you 125 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 4: can have some great success. And you know, I think 126 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 4: his skill set and his talent, you know, Kyle is 127 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 4: is really putting that on display. 128 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 3: And that's what you know people are seeing in our games. 129 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 4: Is that efficiency, that decision making, that getting getting the 130 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 4: ball into the playmakers' hands. 131 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 3: And uh Man Brock's been playing outstanding. 132 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 2: What does he not get enough credit for the things 133 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 2: that you see? Because Kyle Olson the other day was like, guys, 134 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 2: he's not assistant quarterback. What did he not get enough 135 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 2: credit for? 136 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 3: Well? 137 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 4: I think if you look at where people get drafted 138 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 4: in the NFL and how they start off their career. 139 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 3: You know that can do you know, kind of good 140 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 3: and bad. So you know how you're perceived. 141 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 4: You know, if you're perceived as a super talented guy 142 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 4: because you were a first round pick, or you're perceived 143 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 4: as a late round guy who's who's a hard worker 144 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 4: who had to overcome. And so I think where he 145 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 4: was drafted. You know, if he was a first round pick, 146 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 4: you know we're talking about him in a completely different. 147 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 3: Kind of strategy here. 148 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 4: You know, if if any other first round pick was 149 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 4: doing this, any other first round quarterback was doing this, 150 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 4: they would be talking about him. You know, he's a 151 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 4: second coming. He's so I think where you're drafted definitely 152 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 4: dictate like the narrative on you. And then you know, 153 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 4: just the things I see it is his calmness, his moxie, 154 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 4: how he cares himself, you know, his poise and his 155 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 4: decision making I think really really set him apart. And 156 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 4: you know he's really just stepped in it's his day 157 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 4: one and kind of been this guy. 158 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 2: You know what I like about him. Also, like I 159 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 2: started this league in nineteen ninety three, so I've seen 160 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 2: a lot of guys, whether players or coaches become stars, 161 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 2: and they quickly latch on to being famous being more 162 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 2: important than being great, And I don't see that from 163 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 2: him at all. Like I'm sure everybody in the world's 164 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 2: probably throwing things at him to do this marketing thing 165 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 2: and that marketing thing and this and that, and it 166 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 2: just doesn't seem like that interesting. 167 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, I tell a funny story. He had a huge 168 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 4: commercial shoot. 169 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 3: At the stadium and they used a lot of our facilities. 170 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 4: So guys are coming in, you know, it was it 171 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 4: was it was, it messed up our little flow. 172 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 3: But he was just like so embarrassed about it, like sorry, guys. 173 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 4: Like, man, I apologize guys, Like he was just so 174 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 4: he was just so embarrassed, and we were all happy 175 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 4: for him, like you. 176 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 3: Know, man, like get that money and you know you're balling. 177 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 3: You deserve it, bro. He was like ah, man like 178 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 3: like he was. 179 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 2: Just like he's uncomfortable to being the supersos. 180 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 3: He was just uncomfortable with it. He's the very he's 181 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 3: a very humble dude. 182 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 4: And yeah, you know, he deserves everything that he's getting 183 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 4: in all the success that he's happening because he you know, 184 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 4: he handles it the right way and he does keep 185 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 4: the main thing, the main thing, all right, No. 186 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 2: I want to switch scars with you because you know, 187 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 2: this is a mental health podcast and you're you've been 188 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 2: very open about trying to help people with their mental health, 189 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 2: with your mental health, you know, and I don't know 190 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 2: much about that that part of your filming on that 191 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:53,839 Speaker 2: angle of Eric Armstead and why it was important for 192 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 2: you to even start talking about. 193 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 4: Yes, my faith has always been important to me. In 194 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 4: spirituality is always been very important to me. Love, and 195 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 4: you know, I've shared and I'm open about that. And 196 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 4: I think as I've gotten older and grown and realizing 197 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 4: the importance of mental health, I think my wife, who 198 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 4: we've been married a little past three years now and 199 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 4: we've been together for about seven years. 200 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 3: She's a child ad a lessons psychiatrist. 201 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 2: Oh wow. 202 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 4: So I've been with her, uh since you know, med 203 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 4: school graduation, going through residency, going through fellowship, and her 204 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 4: working twenty four hour shifts and you know, us having 205 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 4: these conversations and me being able to, you know, have 206 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 4: conversations with what she's going through and what her patients 207 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 4: you know, are going through and like the experiences that 208 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 4: you know, a lot of the kids that she sees 209 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 4: have and you know that has even opened up my 210 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 4: eyes even more into the importance. And so that's been great, 211 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 4: you know, to be married to her and be able 212 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 4: to learn, to be able to learn, you know, how 213 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 4: to how to help people and see how she helps people, 214 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 4: and then also put more importance on our own mental health. 215 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 4: So you know, we do work in the community. You know, 216 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 4: my my nonprofit that I started was education based, so 217 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 4: I wanted to provide educational opportunities and equity for underserved youth. 218 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 4: And now you know, me and my wife we did 219 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 4: a we did a football camp and a health fare 220 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 4: where we allfer mental health resources screenings, and so now 221 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 4: we're we want to wrap total services and resources around 222 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:47,079 Speaker 4: you know, youth, just more than education, because we believe 223 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 4: in total wellness and you know, social emotional wellness is 224 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 4: very important. And so if these kids can't you know, 225 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 4: if these kids go home and face trauma and all 226 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 4: these things and don't have any body any resources to 227 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 4: work through it, you know, how can we expect them 228 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 4: to be successful in school or in life in general. 229 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 4: And so we have these conversations about how we can 230 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 4: help our community. And I've also learned personally about different 231 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 4: things that I can do to you know, help myself. 232 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 4: You know, I start seeing a therapists, start starts seeing 233 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 4: a sports psychologist and you know, working on my own 234 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 4: mental health, you know, with with everything that comes with 235 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 4: you know, with my life. And you know, my life 236 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 4: is very singular. You know, I'm one person out of billions, 237 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 4: and everybody has struggles and everybody has different levels of 238 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 4: things that go through. You know, mental health is the 239 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 4: most important, you know, to take care of yourself and 240 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 4: so you can you know, be the best for the 241 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 4: people around you. So it just became, you know, super important, 242 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 4: and it you know, it is our life now, you know, 243 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 4: after marrying my wife. 244 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 2: It's fantastic. And look, this is what we need, right 245 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 2: for you not to see there and have a conversation 246 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 2: like this, This wouldn't happen five years ago, right, And 247 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 2: I wrote a book about this called unbreakabout how I 248 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 2: turned my depression and anxiety and a motivation and you 249 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 2: can too. Because I was helping a lot of athletes. 250 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 2: I was helping a lot of combat vets. And you know, 251 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 2: one thing we got to we gotta realize, especially as athletes, 252 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 2: to get on a level that you're at you got 253 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 2: to be off okay to go into step into a 254 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 2: cage like I've done, getting a football field on that level, 255 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 2: go to war. You know, there's suthing off about us 256 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 2: going in right that that's always going to be there, 257 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 2: and we got to use that to our advantage. And 258 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 2: too many of us look at it and we feel ashamed. 259 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 2: We feel embarrassed, and we hide it and we don't 260 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 2: say anything to anybody else. But we've got to pick 261 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 2: each other up. But it's it's also like you going 262 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 2: to therapist. It's the smartest thing we can do. And 263 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 2: I go and I talk to teams about this. I said, 264 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 2: you guys, won't just catch passes when you have the drops, 265 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:53,439 Speaker 2: or you don't just you know, bench press when you 266 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 2: feel you're getting weak. You're always freaking doing it. But 267 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 2: for mental health wise, too many of us in that 268 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 2: locker room there only go to the therapists after the 269 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 2: sky's falling. It makes no sense. We've got to be 270 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 2: a lot more proactive about it than reactive. But there's 271 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 2: not enough therapist for us yet. So I tell I 272 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 2: try and tell a lot of players, man, lean into 273 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 2: that dude on your right and your left like worry 274 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 2: each other's best therapists, but we just don't know how 275 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 2: to talk to each other about it yet. So that's 276 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 2: why somebody like you coming out giving it words, somebody 277 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 2: like myself trying to give it words. If you could 278 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 2: do this more with your teammates, think about how much 279 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 2: closer this will all make you as a team. 280 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. I think shared diversity, you know, brings you together. 281 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 4: And there's no one, you know, no people on earth 282 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 4: who know more about the life and your struggles than 283 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 4: you know your own teammates who you know, we're all 284 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 4: going through similar things. 285 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 3: And like you said, it's tough and. 286 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:51,719 Speaker 4: A lot of times, you know, it might be a 287 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 4: little awkward for people to, you know, get into those conversations, 288 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 4: but there is a lot of growth and a lot 289 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 4: of healing and can be super helpful to have, you. 290 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 3: Know, those conversations. 291 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 4: So yeah, man, it's it's things have definitely progressed, you know. 292 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 4: I tell a story that happened, you know, two weeks ago, 293 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 4: I upset one of my teammates. I said something in 294 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 4: in the wrong setting and kind of embarrassed him. 295 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 3: It didn't feel right for me. 296 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 4: I was like, ah, but you know, he was upset 297 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 4: and he took the night and then the next day. 298 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 3: He you know, first thing he did. It came up 299 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 3: to me. 300 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 4: He's like, man, what you did yesterday was not cool. 301 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 4: It was upsetting, and I was like, man, I feel terrible. 302 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I hope I can get your you know, 303 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 4: gain your respect back. You know, that was not my intention. 304 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 4: And like a conversation like that, like that's not how 305 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 4: things used to go. 306 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 2: You know, used to shut the fuck up, suck it 307 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 2: up here, you know, stopping what's right, and. 308 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 3: Yeah it's not right. 309 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 4: It really it really, that's that's more mainly than than anything, 310 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 4: you know, having the courage to have that conversation. 311 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 3: You know, it's easy to you know. 312 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 4: Go go the other way, you know, like, oh, I'm 313 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 4: not messing with him. 314 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 3: He did this woo woo. But that's something that happened 315 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 3: two weeks ago, you. 316 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 4: Know, amongst teammates that you know, can you can learn 317 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 4: and grow from and you know, try to be better 318 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 4: moving forward. And like you said, these type of things 319 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 4: would have not happened a few years back. 320 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 2: The best thing we could do that I've found is 321 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 2: have a team. You could lean into it. And for 322 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 2: years I didn't you know. If I was having an 323 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 2: attack and I was supposed to go out, like I 324 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 2: called the beast getting out of the box, if the 325 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 2: beast was getting out of the box for night, I 326 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 2: was supposed to go to dinner with someone, I would 327 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 2: just take a couple of biking in and drink and 328 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 2: go out and kind of mask it that way. Or 329 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 2: I put on this mask of you know, you watch 330 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 2: me on TV, it's the glaze and you know, this 331 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 2: big fun personality. And then was loneli as shit, and 332 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 2: the Lonelier I got, the darker I got, and the 333 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 2: more painful I got. So first time, I'm fifty three now, 334 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 2: first time I ever said anything, I was really like, man, 335 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 2: I was off the reservation and I was. It was 336 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 2: a super Bowl down in Tampa a couple of years 337 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 2: ago and I was flying in and Rende Barber has 338 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 2: been one of my closest friends for years and years. 339 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 2: We have a little group down there. I called Ronde 340 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 2: and a couple of friends that say, hey, man, I 341 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 2: need to meet you guys for dinner tonight. And I'm 342 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 2: going through some shit and they were like, yeah, we're 343 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 2: all busy. I said, no, no, I need to meet with 344 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 2: you for dinner tonight and tell you guys what I'm 345 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 2: going through. And again, I didn't know how anybody was 346 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 2: going to react this first time I done it, and 347 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 2: all three of them said, oh, oh shit, okay, we 348 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 2: hear you. We'll be there, and they changed their plans 349 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 2: and they were there for me. And once I told 350 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 2: them all about the real the darkness of my depression 351 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 2: and the anxiety and the stories that the roommates in 352 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 2: my head will tell each other, you know, then to 353 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 2: get me off, two of them were like, oh man, 354 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 2: I'm glad you said this because I have it too. 355 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 2: I just I don't know what to do. I never 356 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 2: knew to talk to. But all three were there for me, 357 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 2: and the point is for everybody out there. Ever since then, 358 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,360 Speaker 2: we have been so much closer together. So every time 359 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 2: I've opened up and shit, I'm opening up to you 360 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 2: right here. This will give us a relationship like it 361 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 2: gets people closer together by being able to share these 362 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 2: experiences and not having to, you know, suffer alone and 363 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 2: suffer in silence, because that suffering gets us to do 364 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 2: shit that we really don't mean to do, and sometimes 365 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 2: we feel we can't take it back. But even like 366 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 2: you're saying, you were able to take it back. You 367 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 2: guys were able to have this conversation. So this vulnerability 368 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 2: is really getting all of us as men to be 369 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 2: closer than we ever thought we could. 370 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 4: And that's really, you know, really what it's all about. 371 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 4: You know, I believe in humanity. You know, I believe 372 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 4: that as a society, we have to believe in humanity 373 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 4: and realize that we are all more alike than we 374 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 4: are different, and that is the common ground for empathy 375 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 4: and compassion for others. 376 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 3: And when you realize that we're all pretty. 377 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 4: Similar, we might just look a little different, talk a 378 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 4: little different, and we all go through the same things 379 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 4: and we all really want the same things out of 380 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 4: life too. That puts you in a space where you 381 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 4: can stop thinking about yourself and start thinking about others. 382 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 4: And we all need that compassion, that empathy towards each other. 383 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 3: No one wants to be isolated. 384 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 4: No one wants to be by themselves, and we have 385 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 4: to start thinking outside of ourselves and really creating that 386 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 4: that uh, that bond and that that sense of community. 387 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 4: And you know that that's the community, you know who 388 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 4: saved you in that in that situation and we got 389 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 4: to start to start thinking about others and you know, 390 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 4: really really building those bonds. 391 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 2: So I think it's a harder world for you guys 392 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 2: nowadays too, because you know, social media makes us I made, 393 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 2: holy shit, we're getting just murdered by people, you know, 394 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 2: all day long, right, so you're just hearing negativity, negativity, 395 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 2: or we're comparing ourselves to somebody else's, you know, filter 396 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 2: dressed up fraction of one second. It's the highlight of 397 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 2: a day, and getting us to think our lives sucks. 398 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 2: So like I had your GM, John Lynch reached out 399 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 2: to me once a couple of years ago saying, hey, 400 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 2: we got a player man who's you know, he's he's 401 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 2: going through something. We just a lot of us don't 402 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 2: know how to deal with it. So I just said, hey, man, 403 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 2: bring in one of your team leaders and have him 404 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 2: kind of talk to me. He's got to be connected 405 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 2: and just try and find out. And basically, this one 406 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 2: player was just because I think social media it made 407 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 2: him think something that was totally not true, and this 408 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 2: guy was going down a bad path. And by us 409 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 2: being just talk about it and John being able to 410 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 2: go to one of your your players who knew he 411 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 2: was tight with and say, hey man, I think we 412 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 2: got to kind of help him out a little bit. 413 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 2: The other player was just like, oh, that's totally not 414 00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 2: what any of us think of him. Like no, not 415 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 2: at all. And they were like he was able to 416 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 2: get like a little support group and rally around him. 417 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 2: But I had another team reach out not too long ago. 418 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 2: Guy was gonna quit and it's just gonna quit and 419 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,640 Speaker 2: it's just gonna walk away from football because the ship 420 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 2: that the social media stuff was just getting to them 421 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 2: too much and he was starting to believe it all. 422 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,360 Speaker 2: So same thing, I said, hey, man, bring him in, 423 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 2: And I just told this coach, bring him in, connect 424 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 2: with him, show him that, hey, the stuff you're reading 425 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 2: on social media isn't real. What I think about you 426 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,439 Speaker 2: and what your teammates think about you, that's real. And 427 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 2: I think that's you know, it's harder and harder nowadays 428 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,199 Speaker 2: because guys go right to their lockers, right, they look 429 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 2: right at their phones, so instead of looking at their teammates, 430 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 2: they're left and right, they're looking at this shit and 431 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 2: they're getting their self worth by what the social media 432 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 2: is telling you. 433 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, I think at times everyone at 434 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 4: moments can fall, you know, as athletes can fall into that. 435 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 4: But I think it's important to find perspective and being 436 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 4: grounded in something and that is, you know, in your control. 437 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 4: You know, for me it's my faith, always grounded in faith, 438 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 4: always believing that, you know, my life is guided by 439 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 4: God and you know, I'm you know, living his purpose 440 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 4: for me and He's in control. And I think for me, 441 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:23,360 Speaker 4: once I like relinquish that control and thinking. 442 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 3: Like, oh, I'm the one who's making all this happen. 443 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 4: I have no You control what you can control, which 444 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,360 Speaker 4: is you know, your effort, being a good person, how 445 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 4: you treat people, and then letting, you know, letting the 446 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 4: chips fall you know where they may, and realizing that, 447 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 4: you know, this is all part of my journey and 448 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 4: my plan. 449 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 3: And so I mean, I think that is a difficult thing. 450 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 4: For guys, is where do you get that that sense 451 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:53,159 Speaker 4: of self worth and that gratification from And you know, 452 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:56,360 Speaker 4: it's it's hard, and you know, guys have to find that. 453 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 4: And you know, I worry about a lot of guys, 454 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 4: you know, and even myself. It's scary at times too, 455 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 4: you know, like I'm when I'm done playing you know, 456 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 4: years and years from now, Like you know, where am 457 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 4: I going to get that from? You know, Like what 458 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,439 Speaker 4: am I going to do? Like how will I handle 459 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,360 Speaker 4: like not being you know, not being in this life anymore? 460 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 3: You know? 461 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 4: And I think it's a scary thing and something that 462 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 4: we all we all have to kind of talk about 463 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 4: and figure out. And like you said, there's no one 464 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 4: better to figure it out with than people have gone 465 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 4: through it and been through it. 466 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 2: So look, when you leave football or you leave the military, 467 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 2: you're losing the locker room. And that sucks because we are, 468 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 2: like I said, we're different, right, We're not We're not 469 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 2: a nine to five office job. We don't fit into that, 470 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 2: like a lot of us don't fit into that world. 471 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 2: And you're also losing that structure, like you've always been 472 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 2: told where to go, when to go, who to go with, 473 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 2: who to sit with, who to practice with, who you with? Right, 474 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 2: and that structures got so it could be scary. So 475 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 2: at least for now, for the rest of your career, 476 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 2: start realizing, Okay, that's going to be what life is, 477 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 2: so I have to start preparing for that. But the 478 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 2: thing I really really want you to understand, really wants 479 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 2: you to understand is that you have laid the blood 480 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 2: and put that sweat out for you to go enjoy 481 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 2: your life after. And too many guys when they're done, 482 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 2: look at it as what's next, what's next, I gotta 483 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,360 Speaker 2: get my next thing. I gotta get my next thing, 484 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 2: instead of enjoying it. And you know, I just ran 485 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 2: into a player at the Hall of Fame this year 486 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 2: and I say, man, how you doing a great player? 487 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 2: Great player just retired. And he's like, Jay, I'm doing great. 488 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 2: I'm living down over here San Diego. This guy's made 489 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 2: one hundred million dollars whatever. And I said, he goes, 490 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 2: I'm really enjoyed. I said, dude, I love to hear that, 491 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,880 Speaker 2: because too many guys don't allow themselves that. Grace said, 492 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 2: you deserve to go sit by the beach and do 493 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 2: nothing for the rest of your life if you want, 494 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 2: and just go do hobbies and enjoy yourself. Too many 495 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,959 Speaker 2: guys they got to jump in the next thing. And 496 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 2: within a second he said to me, Okay, it's not true. 497 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 2: I'm not doing good. Like I'm lost. I don't know 498 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 2: what to do. I don't know where to go. And 499 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 2: I was like, hey, dude, just enjoy, Like, train yourself, 500 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 2: so right now, start training yourself to allow yourself to 501 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 2: enjoy that next step, to enjoy, enjoy retirement, enjoy whatever 502 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,239 Speaker 2: you're gonna love that next step. Don't race into I 503 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 2: think a lot of guys jump in and race into 504 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 2: their next thing that they're just not gonna be happy about. 505 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 2: When you have a comfortability that you've worked your ass 506 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 2: off for for so. 507 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 3: Long, yeah, no, I think that's very important. 508 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 4: Our identity, you know, has been so wrapped up in 509 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 4: this and you feel like, you know, I got to 510 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 4: find a new identity, like what am I gonna do 511 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 4: and what else can I conquer or be successfully? 512 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 3: And so I think a lot of guys definitely get 513 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:44,360 Speaker 3: wrapped up in that. 514 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 4: And I think in the moment too, you know, finding 515 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 4: that joy and trying to That's why I started seeing 516 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 4: a sports psychologist a few years back. I got done 517 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 4: with the game and I just like just wasn't feeling it, 518 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 4: wasn't happy really, you know, I'm coming home with my 519 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 4: kids and stuff. I'm like, yo, like you're so blessed, 520 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 4: Like why why are you not like enjoying this? 521 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 2: You know? And then you beat up on yourself more 522 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,959 Speaker 2: for like, yeah. 523 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 3: Like why are you why are you acting like that? 524 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 4: Like there's nothing to be you know, and talking to 525 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 4: someone can help shift your perspective and get you in 526 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 4: a shift your perspective to more a positive perspective. And 527 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 4: you know, that's why I started speaking on because I'm like, 528 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,919 Speaker 4: you know, I'm playing, I'm coming off the field and 529 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 4: like I'm just mad, like just just frustrated like so. 530 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 3: That that's been very helpful for me too. 531 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. A therapists are our coaches also, That's like there's 532 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 2: a stigma around that. I'm like, they're coaches. It's the 533 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 2: same thing. They're just coaches. They're coaches between our ears, 534 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 2: which is, you know, way more valuable than coaching my biceps. 535 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. 536 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:53,199 Speaker 2: If you want to share it not toil. They get 537 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 2: the root of why you were feeling that way and 538 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 2: why are you beating up on yourself on that. 539 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I think he's just he helps just my 540 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 4: perspect back to the things that I can control, Like 541 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 4: I'm able to bring myself back like to like you know, 542 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 4: more positivity and like I'm extremely fortunately, extremely blessed, and 543 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 4: you know, I'm able to realize that. And I think 544 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 4: you know, the compassion I have for others allows me 545 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 4: to be like, man, you know, I'm I'm really, I'm 546 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 4: really am blessed. But I think from a from a 547 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 4: football perspective. He helped me to shift my focus to 548 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 4: controlling what I can control. And you know I was 549 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 4: I was wrapped up in you know, the production and 550 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 4: you know stats, and like having that wrapped up with 551 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 4: how important I am or how impactful I am, which 552 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 4: that's not necessarily in my control. 553 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 3: What is in my control is my preparation. 554 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 4: To the game, my mindset and turning the game and 555 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 4: going on out there and playing to the best of 556 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:07,160 Speaker 4: my ability, and that is always good enough and that's 557 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 4: always going to help my team and not getting start 558 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 4: wrapped up in the stats and what was what happened 559 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 4: after the game or being able to if I check 560 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 4: these things off, if I control these things, if I 561 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 4: study my opponent, if I prepared, if I played hard, 562 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 4: and if I did all those things, being happy with 563 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 4: that and letting the result be the result, because I 564 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 4: know if I did all those things, then I helped 565 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 4: my team win the game. 566 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 2: I love that. Like I said, I fought for a 567 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 2: little while and I was the first guy in the 568 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 2: NFL actually fight in mixed martial arts. Then luckily Fox 569 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 2: made me stop because I'm not very good. But I 570 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,199 Speaker 2: had to learn how to start coaching guys because I 571 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 2: can't stop doing it, like I need something for the 572 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 2: roommates in my head to make me feel okay. So 573 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 2: myself and Randy Gutore and Chuck ladell Man, we've coached 574 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 2: upwards of a thousand players and pro athletes and pro 575 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 2: fighters and whatnot. But our mentality of our fight team 576 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 2: is always we tell our guys, man, don't care about 577 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 2: the winning loss. Let's take the ego out of the 578 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,120 Speaker 2: win a loss. Just every time you step in that cage, 579 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 2: think to yourself, I am going to make it the 580 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 2: worst afternoon ever for that cat across from me. That's it. 581 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 2: That's all I care about, is making that horrible that 582 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 2: cage door locks. Oh, I'm going to make it so 583 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 2: bad for you across me. You may win, let it's 584 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,239 Speaker 2: me a horrible afternoon for you. And if you can 585 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 2: take that ego out of it, it makes you so 586 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 2: much more dangerous of a football player or a fighter. 587 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 2: And you know, our fighters like shit, Randy was, I 588 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 2: forget what his record was was sixteen and ten or 589 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 2: something like that, but you know, I mean, hell, twenty 590 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 2: of them were title fights and against guys that were 591 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 2: ten fifteen years younger and a lot heavier than him, 592 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 2: and it was just I mean shit. He was fighting 593 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 2: brock Lesser one time and hit a torn elbow and like, hey, 594 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 2: why don't we pull out of this? He's like, fucking 595 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 2: pull out of him. I'm pulling out of this because 596 00:28:58,280 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 2: you imagine if I could beat him at fifty percent, 597 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 2: that's all I give a shit about. I don't care 598 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 2: if we win, we win, but I just want to 599 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 2: I want to beat him or slam him at fifty percent. 600 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 2: That makes me much more of a gangster. So if 601 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 2: you take that ego part out of it, which is 602 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 2: what you're kind of basically doing here, you're taking that 603 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 2: ego out of it and just saying, hey, I'm only 604 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 2: going to care about what I'm able to put into it, 605 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 2: what my preparation is, what it leads to on the field, 606 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 2: and the results. Those are the results. It's not all 607 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 2: just like a result result, win, win. It also prevents 608 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 2: you from fighting to not lose. 609 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 3: That's funny. 610 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 4: That's funny, you say that because that's that's been my 611 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 4: mentality for football for a long time. I played for 612 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 4: a lot of reasons, but probably like from a football 613 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 4: per standpoint, I get the most gratification out of the 614 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 4: respect I get from the guy I'm going against. Like 615 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 4: Zach Martin, a lot of respect for him. Came up 616 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 4: to me after the game. Man, you don't get the 617 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 4: respect you deserve. You're a hell of a player, man, 618 00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 4: You're tough like that. Right there is is what does 619 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 4: it football wise for me? You know, like making sure 620 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 4: that I get that respect and the guy who I'm 621 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 4: playing against knows how good I am and making it 622 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 4: a long day for them. And you know, so I've 623 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 4: been that way for a long time. And that's funny 624 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 4: you say that because I have that same mentality. And 625 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 4: you know, we we have a lot of one on 626 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 4: one matchups as O line D line. You know, it's 627 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 4: it's kind of like you know, it's it's a one 628 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 4: on one matchup, you know, man man versus man. So 629 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 4: that's that's really my mentality too. When I'm on the 630 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 4: field and I want to earn that respect for my peers. 631 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 2: You just try and break that through to cross from me. 632 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 2: Every single play and that's the only thing you can control. 633 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 3: Hey, hey, tell me, tell. 634 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 2: Me about your your podcast, Third and Long podcast. 635 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 3: So Third and Long I just launched this season. 636 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 4: I have weekly episodes where I'm breaking down our games, 637 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 4: talking about talking about some you know, other things going 638 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 4: around the league, and I'm trying to bring fans closer 639 00:30:59,480 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 4: to the game. 640 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 3: I want to teach them about the game. 641 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 4: Uh So we break down film, I talk about you know, 642 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 4: the real you know, behind why we won or why 643 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 4: we lost. 644 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 3: We haven't lost this year, but uh. 645 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 4: You know what really happened in the game, you know, 646 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 4: what were the They're really things that fans don't you know, 647 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 4: see with the common eye of why we won the game. 648 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 4: And you know, I talk about, you know, what's going 649 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 4: on all things Niners and. 650 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 3: You know, some things around the league. 651 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 4: And now I really want to, you know, give fans 652 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 4: a new perspective of the game. And you know, hopefully 653 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 4: my goal is when they're watching on TV, they're not 654 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 4: just watching the ball and all the all the hoop lot, 655 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 4: but they can actually like key in on some things 656 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 4: that they want to watch and like, oh yeah, I 657 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 4: see that that might be a small thing, but that's 658 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 4: a reason why you know the team is having success 659 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 4: or they're not. And so I want to break those 660 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 4: things down for fans, you know, give a new perspective 661 00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 4: on the game. 662 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 2: I love that. Yeah. Look, it's changed my life. I've 663 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 2: obviously being NFL insider, I learned. I started ninety three, 664 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 2: that was the first minute by minute breaking news guy 665 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 2: and starting in like ninety nine when that internet thing 666 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 2: came out, which I think it's gonna take off one day, 667 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 2: and but I realized Matthey's fans, they are Thursday want 668 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 2: to know. They want to know, and the more we 669 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 2: can kind of give them inside information or teach thember 670 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 2: educate them, I think the less we'll get stupid Twitter 671 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 2: Twitter messages like we don't know what we're talking about, right, 672 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 2: they do. The dude sitting in his mouths basement knows 673 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 2: a three technique better than you, like, right right. So 674 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 2: I think it's great that you're doing that, and they 675 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 2: have a thirst for more education. So yeah, I'm digging this. 676 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 2: You have guests on that. 677 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 4: Uh, We're going to start having guests. Yeah, I'm gonna 678 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 4: start having teammates and they. 679 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 2: Got to get my ass on with you. Let's go. 680 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's let's do it. You know, I want to. 681 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 3: I want to. 682 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 4: I want to have teammates. I want to have some 683 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 4: other insiders, you know, top football. I think that'll be 684 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 4: super fun. I want to get some get some get 685 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 4: some fans on too, hopefully, and I have some cool 686 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 4: conversations around the game and what's going on in the league. 687 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 4: So yeah, we're gonna start having some guests here sorely, 688 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 4: probably in probably in a couple of weeks. 689 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 2: I'm an inside. You got any you want any inside 690 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 2: info for me, you have any questions, any one. 691 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 4: Out we get We could, we could definitely, we could 692 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 4: definitely chop it up Talk Talk Football. 693 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 3: You probably have to get you on. 694 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 2: There, definitely, man, definitely, I like it. I like it. 695 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 3: Hey, but this conversation is more important than than million. 696 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 2: But it's all it all is look for me, and 697 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 2: it seems like for you. Also. There's a couple of 698 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 2: things I need. One, I gotta be a service and 699 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 2: that helps me between my ears, and you're being of 700 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 2: service a lot with all the charity work you're doing. 701 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 2: Two I got to have a team. So I have 702 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 2: my fight team. I have my Fox Anvil Sunday team. 703 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 2: I have but this is a way of having more 704 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 2: teammates too, and by you having your third long podcast, 705 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 2: that's a way to to build your team also. And three, 706 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 2: laughter is huge for me. So I love talking NFL 707 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 2: and fucking around and and and people sitting there go, well, 708 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,720 Speaker 2: you know, mental health, it's it's serious. 709 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 3: It is serious. 710 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 2: But I got to use laughter to help offset a 711 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 2: lot and make sure I don't get so dark. So 712 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 2: it's okay. We still have some levity in our darkness. 713 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 2: You know, I want my gray. I want to get 714 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 2: through my grade to go see the blue. 715 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:24,439 Speaker 3: For sure. 716 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 4: It's very, very important to have have some fun in 717 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 4: there in between. 718 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 3: Two. 719 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,399 Speaker 2: So before I let you go, last question, I ask 720 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 2: every one of my guests it's called unbreakable. Give me 721 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 2: your unbreakable moment in life. As in the moment that 722 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 2: would have broken, you could have broken, you should have broken, 723 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 2: you didn't, and as a result, you came through the 724 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 2: other side of that tunnel stronger, and nobody could ever 725 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 2: take that away from you. 726 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:53,320 Speaker 4: M I think for me, I don't think people understand 727 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 4: how injuries weigh on your mental and how depressing they 728 00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 4: can be. And I battle a lot of injury and 729 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 4: I battled a lot of you know, people being down 730 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 4: on me and talking about me in a negative way, 731 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 4: and I really had to like lock in both physically 732 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 4: and mentally, and you know, overcome that. You know, I've 733 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 4: seen I've seen a lot of players just going to 734 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 4: dumps and college. I had injuries, and you know, I 735 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 4: was a big time recruiting wasn't necessarily having the success 736 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 4: that people anticipated, you know, was over there. 737 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:40,359 Speaker 3: Was able to overcome that, and you know a moment where. 738 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 4: And put myself in a position to get into the 739 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,240 Speaker 4: NFL and then the NFL too. 740 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 3: You know, I was an I R and. 741 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:53,320 Speaker 4: Really feeling like, uh bad physically and just terrible isolated 742 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 4: from the team side, and yeah, yeah, isolated from the 743 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 4: team and just you know, people talking bad about me, 744 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 4: saying I I you know, it wasn't really wasn't nothing. 745 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,479 Speaker 4: And uh I focused in, put the put the work 746 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 4: in to overcome those things and change the trajectory of 747 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:15,760 Speaker 4: my life and my family's life. 748 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 3: And you know, those those times, those times were pretty tough. 749 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 4: But you know, it was kind of like leaning in 750 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 4: on my support system and it was like me and 751 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:29,360 Speaker 4: us versus everybody, and I didn't really feel like anybody 752 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 4: was messing with me at that point. 753 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 3: You know, I was had like a chip on my shoulder. 754 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 4: That you know, it's just me and really locking in 755 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 4: and turning the page and having you know, some success 756 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 4: and building a building a life and a career for 757 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 4: myself and setting my setting my family up, which is 758 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 4: something I dreamed about since I was ten eleven years old. 759 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,320 Speaker 4: I knew I wanted a wife, I knew I wanted kids, 760 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 4: I knew I wanted to be successful. I knew I 761 00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 4: wanted to be a professional athlete. And you know it 762 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,800 Speaker 4: wasn't starting off very good, but I turned it around. 763 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 2: Love it, man. And again, that's if people don't realize 764 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 2: they look at guys like you. And first of all, 765 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,840 Speaker 2: I want the world to know our wallets are not antidepressants. 766 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,359 Speaker 2: Just because we're getting paid a bunch of money doesn't 767 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 2: mean our feelings don't hurt. And a lot of us 768 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,400 Speaker 2: who are on your level, my level, we're really emotional, 769 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 2: which gets us to be in this level in the 770 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 2: first place, which means our feelings hurt a lot more 771 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,479 Speaker 2: than most. And yeah, when you're hurt, you get thrown 772 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 2: on the side. And in the NFL or any sport, 773 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,319 Speaker 2: you get put over the side. It's next man up 774 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 2: and man, it's lone. They little say to you how 775 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 2: you're doing today, but they're not really asking you how 776 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 2: you're doing between your ears, just like how you're feeling. 777 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 2: So it's a hard thing to go through, Harder than 778 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:44,880 Speaker 2: the world has any idea about. 779 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 780 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 4: Now, those those conversations are different, you know, passing in 781 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 4: the when you're hurt, passing in the hallways. This is 782 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 4: a little different, you know, a little different highs and 783 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 4: a little different, a little different treatment. 784 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,479 Speaker 2: Well, I'm pretty man, I'm forgetting through that. I'm proud 785 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 2: of you for your vulnerability, proud of you for what 786 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 2: you're doing for everybody else man. And I know if 787 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,279 Speaker 2: you throw the work under you're throwing in football, your 788 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 2: podcast is going to be successful as well. Man, especially 789 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:13,919 Speaker 2: when I come on a rocket for you, you'll be great. 790 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's gonna be. That might be our number 791 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:18,440 Speaker 3: one number one here. 792 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,360 Speaker 2: Let's do it, baby, let's do it. Man. Well, I 793 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,839 Speaker 2: really appreciate you, Eric Armsteader coming up a huge win 794 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,359 Speaker 2: this week against the Dallas Cowboys. Man freight train just 795 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 2: keeps on rolling, and you're a huge part of that 796 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 2: freight train man. 797 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 3: Thank you for joining me, Bud appreciate you.