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Speaker 1: start them on TikTok. Some people making around two thousand

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Speaker 1: four GMA. Ava says in early twenty twenty, she noticed

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Speaker 1: Talk about a hydra. Every time you chop off one head,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us, and if you are a parent,

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Speaker 1: You can find him at at Dan Underscore, Ellis Underscore

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Speaker 1: Esquire and at Herman Law dot com. Doctor at Mindy B. Mechanic,

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Speaker 1: professor's Psychology, California State University, Fullerton, Forensics psychologist, A boy,

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Speaker 1: do we need a shrink? Today? Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics,

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Speaker 1: explicit content. We understand that he got very angry when

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Speaker 1: she said no and blocked him on all of her

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Speaker 1: social media accounts. He then obtained her phone number after

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Speaker 1: buying it from her friends. When he continued to harass

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Speaker 1: her and continued to ask for explicit content, her dad

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00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 1: stepped in and messaged and reminded him that Ava is

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Speaker 1: a minor, and he became very angry. And we believe

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Speaker 1: that he effectively went to the house in order to

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Speaker 1: express this anger. Now, whether or not he meant to

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Speaker 1: kill Ava, whether or not he meant to threaten the family,

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Speaker 1: that is not exactly known. Good Lord Woman, he broke

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Speaker 1: in the door with a handgun. Explain what that means.

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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan has anybody's seen Arnold Schwartzenegger movies or

436
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: let's see Bruce Wills, I mean basically any movie. Or

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Speaker 1: they blow up the handle to the door with a gun. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And this is kind of telling Nancy this goes to preparation. Remember, he's,

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Speaker 1: you know, put on this gear. He's got a bag

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Speaker 1: with him of supplies free wait gear. Let's break it down, Charlie,

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Speaker 1: Charlie Layson with me from Daily Mail. First of all,

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Speaker 1: where did he come from? He flew to Florida in

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Speaker 1: order to, you know, exact this revenge on av and

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Speaker 1: her family. See from Maryland. He's from Maryland. He flew

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Speaker 1: from Maryland to Florida in order to confront and you know,

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Speaker 1: potentially kill Aver and her family. And he had on

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Speaker 1: safety goggles, a Walmart employee vest ear plugs and was

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Speaker 1: basically army crawling along and shoots the door open. Do

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Speaker 1: I have that right, Charlie Linkston, you do, yes, yeah, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: I go say yeah, yeah. This guy showed up. It

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Speaker 1: wasn't a handgun he showed up with. He showed up

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Speaker 1: with a shotgun. And from a forensic standpoint, well from

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Speaker 1: a law enforcement standpoint, this guy was prepped because you

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Speaker 1: know what we use. What law enforcement uses shotguns for

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Speaker 1: when they're going in to serve warrants. It's called a

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Speaker 1: breaching weapon, which means that they can, like you stated,

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Speaker 1: they could blow the handles off, they can blow the

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Speaker 1: hinges off to gain access, and a shotgun is something

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Speaker 1: that you're going to go into and just reek bloody

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Speaker 1: havoc with, you know, when they enter into so I

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Speaker 1: have no doubt in my mind that the intent was

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Speaker 1: there to rek have it and to kill. He shows

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Speaker 1: up completely prepped in this particular case. I can tell

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Speaker 1: you this, there's one thing that they're not going to

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Speaker 1: feature on their TikTok account, and that's the holes blown

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Speaker 1: through the door that this guy created. This is an

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Speaker 1: incredible level of violence here, and I think that it's

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Speaker 1: certainly a warning. Take a listen to our cut sixty

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Speaker 1: six Our Friends Inside edition. He discovered where she lived.

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Speaker 1: To her horror, she says, showed up at our house

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Speaker 1: in Florida with a shotgun at four thirty in the

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Speaker 1: morning and fired through her front door. We got parents.

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Speaker 1: Mom kim Is wanted tears thinking about that awful morning.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think we were making it out of it

475
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Speaker 1: after seeing that bliss. The whole thing's just a nightmare.

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Speaker 1: Ava's father, Rob MAJORI is a retired police lieutenant from

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Speaker 1: New Jersey. He sprang into action, threw the door as

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Speaker 1: quickly as I could, and gave Chase, screaming out him

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Speaker 1: as he ran away with the gun at hand. He

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Speaker 1: ran back to his home and the shooter returned to throw.

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Speaker 1: At that point he shot the assailant did when the

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Speaker 1: Sheriff's department called most likely a stalker. And I was

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Speaker 1: going round and round with Charlie Lankston, our friend from

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Speaker 1: dailymail dot Com, talking about why he was there. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know what, his vest contained multiple shells, and as

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Speaker 1: Joe Scott and Jackie every yere frantically correcting me, it

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Speaker 1: wasn't a handgun, it was a shotgun. That's a whole

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Speaker 1: other animal. Charlie Lankston, Why do you think he was there, Charlie,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I certainly can't put myself into

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Speaker 1: the mind of a killer or a stalker. I'm fortunate

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Speaker 1: enough to say, however, I think, honestly, at the age

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Speaker 1: of eighteen, I think he probably just wanted to go

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Speaker 1: and unleash this anger, whether or not he purposely, in

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Speaker 1: his mind went with the intention of murdering them. I

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Speaker 1: couldn't say. I think he certainly wanted to get out

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Speaker 1: whatever pain and anger and frustration he was feeling. Why

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Speaker 1: don't you just go see a therapist. Whinally, go talk

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Speaker 1: to doctor Mindy B. Mechanic from California State University in Fullerton.

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Speaker 1: Why not you know it was something much more than that.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go to Dan Ellison, doctor Mindy Mechanic,

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Speaker 1: Dan Ellis. The law says you can display intent. It

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Speaker 1: can either be a specific intent or we can assume

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Speaker 1: intent by your actions. And I love to tell a jury,

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Speaker 1: what about this. If I hold up a piece of

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Speaker 1: fine china, the kind you can see your hand through

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Speaker 1: in a ing it to the cement floor, the law

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Speaker 1: will presume I intend the natural consequence of my act,

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Speaker 1: I meant to break it. He shows up with a

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Speaker 1: shot gun and blast the door in. I think he

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Speaker 1: meant to either rape or kill. Yeah, there's no question, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's proven by the fact he shot through

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Speaker 1: the door that what his intentions are, and the family

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Speaker 1: could rightfully presume that they meant that he meant to

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Speaker 1: gild thet I just can't believe people are suggesting that

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Speaker 1: this dad be prosecuted. That is insane, doctor meaning mechanic.

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Speaker 1: How often do we see stalkers suddenly manifest their deepest,

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Speaker 1: darkest thoughts through violent behavior. Yeah, so the upside of

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00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: this is that we tend to hear in the media

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Speaker 1: when there's been a case of serious or lethal violence.

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Speaker 1: But but I'll share with you the results of what's

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Speaker 1: called a meta analysis, and a meta analysis is a

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Speaker 1: study of studies. So these researchers compiled twenty five different

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Speaker 1: research articles or data sets looking at the risk of

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Speaker 1: violence in the context of stalking, and they found thirty

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Speaker 1: five percent of the cases involved violence by stalkers and

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Speaker 1: almost twenty nine percent of the stalking victims of sustained

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Speaker 1: to injury. Another researcher looked at homicide. They found that

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Speaker 1: in the context of stalking, homicide rate is about two percent.

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Speaker 1: You know, But the thing that's been going through my

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Speaker 1: mind that we haven't really talked about is the notion

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Speaker 1: of gender based violence and that this is a form

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Speaker 1: of gender based violence, and that these types of violence

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Speaker 1: tend to be committed by men or boys against girls

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Speaker 1: or women. And this sounds to me like an example

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Speaker 1: of if I can't have you, nobody will. And a

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Speaker 1: boundary was set by Eva and her father and this

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00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: individual doesn't except that a boundary was set and it

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00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: made him rageful, and he decides that he's going to

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Speaker 1: engage in some sort of violence. We don't know towards

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Speaker 1: home or exactly what, but it sounds like he was

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Speaker 1: very prepared and had taken steps to move from some

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Speaker 1: fantasy or fixation to action and violence. Titania, Jordan cpo

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Speaker 1: at Bart Parental controls Way and Titania. You know what

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00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: parents don't realize is that their biggest fears in their

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Speaker 1: mind are happening to their children outside the home. They're

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Speaker 1: so worried about children getting kidnapped and worse right, but

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00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: our children now are being violated, abused, groomed within their bedrooms,

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Speaker 1: within the walls of the same house that you're in.

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Speaker 1: And you're their parent, and it is your job to

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Speaker 1: make sure their safe, not only in real life, but

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Speaker 1: also in their digital lives, where they're spending upwards of

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Speaker 1: eight hours a day online connected to problematic content from

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Speaker 1: problematic people. Than what we are discussing today is the

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Speaker 1: result of that happening online, where online dangers become real

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Speaker 1: life dangers, and seemingly this little girl did everything right.

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Speaker 1: She tried to block him, she had her father contact

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Speaker 1: him to ward him off. It didn't work. Take a

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Speaker 1: listen to our cut a three our friends at GMA.

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Speaker 1: She's a fifteen year old social media sensation, Ava majury

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Speaker 1: amassing a loyal following on TikTok. But now the Majuri

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Speaker 1: family opening up about the danger that came with their

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Speaker 1: daughter's online fame. After Ava's father shot and killed the

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Speaker 1: man they say showed up to their front door with

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Speaker 1: a gun last July alone came to kill me. I

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Speaker 1: was in fear for my family's life and I had

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Speaker 1: to do what I had to do to protect my family,

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Speaker 1: and I made sure of it. Avi says, what started

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00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 1: as a pandemic hobby when she was just thirteen years

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00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: old turned into a lucrative business, her TikTok account garnering

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Speaker 1: one point two million followers. This is such a dream

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Speaker 1: for multiple kids. Everyone in our generation now wants cloud

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00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: or wants numbers behind their name, and we realize that

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Speaker 1: we were giving the opportunity to do it freely without

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Speaker 1: having to post provocative stuff. How do you follow his

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Speaker 1: trail just got Morgan? How do you build a forensic

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Speaker 1: case and figure out how this happened? Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, going back to this digital print

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Speaker 1: that we were talking about, where he's tracking her through

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Speaker 1: all of these social media platforms and you know, going

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Speaker 1: out and kind of spider webbing out to all of

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Speaker 1: her friends. I think that that's one point along the way.

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Speaker 1: But one interesting point along here that I kind of found,

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Speaker 1: you know, that we would follow from an investigative standpoint

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Speaker 1: leading up to this event was the fact that you're

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Speaker 1: tracking this guy. It's literally flying down from the southeast, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: I think from Maryland, if I'm not mistaken, that was

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Speaker 1: a point of origin. So you know, you begin to

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Speaker 1: think about purchasing tickets and all of this sort of

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Speaker 1: thing in the communications that would have to take place

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Speaker 1: relative to that. And also keep in mind, this guy

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have flown, He would not have flown with a weapon.

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Speaker 1: So the next stop along the way is that he's

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Speaker 1: rolled into And I find it interesting that you mentioned Walmart.

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Speaker 1: He would have rolled into Walmart, perhaps picked up a vest,

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Speaker 1: maybe he brought that with him. Hill I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but I do know this. He didn't bring a shotgun

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Speaker 1: onto the plane, so he picked it up somewhere along

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Speaker 1: the way, and there will be paperwork relative to that.

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Speaker 1: You know, you can't just walk in and purchase a handgun.

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Speaker 1: There's kind of a delayed moment, you know, they give

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Speaker 1: a pause before you can purchase a handgun. You can

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Speaker 1: walk in a lot of places, and you can buy

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Speaker 1: a shotgun, and you can certainly buy ammunition and walk

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Speaker 1: out of the door with it. So we've got breadcrumbs here, Nancy. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's one way you're putting it. This is not the

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Speaker 1: first time a staring and Van has claimed live. It

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Speaker 1: really all came to the forefront of the public consciousness.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember the name Rebecca Schaeffer take listen to

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Speaker 1: our friends at ABC News cut twenty three. She was

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Speaker 1: the fresh faced girl next door who skyrocketed to fame

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Speaker 1: on the hit show My Sister Sam in the nineteen eighties.

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Speaker 1: So good, I must be dreaming. Rebecca Schaeffer down to earth,

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Speaker 1: Hollywood star who answered her own fan man a letter

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Speaker 1: from I went, wait a minute, you're answering them back.

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Speaker 1: You can't do that, And she said, oh, no, but

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Speaker 1: I love it. They want to be friends, and I went, wait,

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Speaker 1: they're not, you're friends. One of those fans Robert Bardow,

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Speaker 1: a mentally ill young man from Arizona. Bardo grew obsessed

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Speaker 1: showing up at her studio, then becoming enraged when he

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Speaker 1: saw a Schaeffer acting in a love scene. It was

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Speaker 1: the stalking case that turned deadly and sparked new laws

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Speaker 1: in the US. All those rageful feelings, how dare she

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Speaker 1: that gets converted into a plan of cold blooded revenge.

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Speaker 1: One day, twenty one year old Schaeffer was expecting a

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Speaker 1: knock at the door the script for Godfather Part three. Instead,

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Speaker 1: it was Robert Bardo waiting at her door and take

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Speaker 1: listen to cut twenty six your biggest fan from ABC.

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Speaker 1: So Bardo shows up early in the morning, he rings

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Speaker 1: the buzzer. She was expecting a script to be delivered.

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Speaker 1: Rebecca is awaiting a copy of the script of Godfather

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Speaker 1: Part three in anticipation of her meeting later that day.

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Speaker 1: The intercom intern building was broken. Instead of being able

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Speaker 1: to talk to somebody over the intercom, she had to

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Speaker 1: come down and open the door. And Rebecca's there was

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Speaker 1: the kind of person who she wouldn't think twice about

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Speaker 1: going out. She didn't think there were people out there

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Speaker 1: who would want to harm her. And when she came

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Speaker 1: down and opened the door, it was Robert John Barto.

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Speaker 1: To his surprise, she answered the door. He didn't think

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Speaker 1: he was going to have that kind of access when

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Speaker 1: he came here with a purpose. But until you actually

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Speaker 1: see this person who's been on this pedestal, then it

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Speaker 1: becomes very real. It's you see a freaky mix being

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Speaker 1: star struck and stalking. Surprised to find out that she

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Speaker 1: quote wasn't dressed glamorously, she was a regular person, and

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Speaker 1: he was talking to her. It was beyond anything he

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Speaker 1: could have imagined. And then he murdered her. He murdered her.

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Speaker 1: How did he find her place? Through the d M

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Speaker 1: the Department of Motor Vehicles? Uh, straight out to Dan Ellis,

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Speaker 1: high profile lawyer joining us from that jurisdiction in Florida.

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Speaker 1: How does that work? How did he find out Rebecca's

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Speaker 1: addressed to the DMV higher a private investigator and they

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Speaker 1: just asked and the DMB gave him that information. And

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Speaker 1: one of the outcomes of this tragic case where laws

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Speaker 1: put in place so that DMB can no further share

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Speaker 1: that information with individuals. So what's happening now amidst calls

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Speaker 1: for the father to be prosecuted, which is completely ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut a five GMA. Rob

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Speaker 1: mcdury says he grabbed his own gun and shot the intruder.

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Speaker 1: According to the police report, the shooters found unresponsive wearing

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Speaker 1: a vest containing multiple shotgun shells. Mcdury says authorities have

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Speaker 1: told him that he's protected by Florida's standard ground law

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Speaker 1: and he's not been charged with any crime. There was

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Speaker 1: no second guessing. There was no time to rethink my actions.

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Speaker 1: I reacted, and I reacted perfectly as best as I

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Speaker 1: could under under the durest in the extreme condition that

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Speaker 1: I was put under. Since the shooting. Ava's now homeschooled

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Speaker 1: and still remains on social media, a decision her parents support.

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Speaker 1: She worked really hard at getting the crowd that she has.

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Speaker 1: As bad as this situation is where TikTok, it's actually

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Speaker 1: a really great forum. It was a very positive, healthy

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Speaker 1: environment for her to be in, especially after what we

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Speaker 1: just went through. And I asked Ava why she even

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Speaker 1: wants to stay on social media despite everything that's happened.

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Speaker 1: She says she loves the space, what she can do there,

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Speaker 1: and she hopes to funder college education with it one day.

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Speaker 1: And bottom line, Ava says she doesn't want to let

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Speaker 1: one bad person take away something she loves. We are

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Speaker 1: on high alert to protect our children. Nancy Grace Crumbs

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Speaker 1: story signing off Get My Friend