WEBVTT - A Connecticut Muffin in Honeybrains Court 0:00:02.320 --> 0:00:07.680 It's twelve thirty nine in Auburn, California, and you're listening 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:25.959 to Night Call, Hello and welcome Tonight Call, a podcast 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:29.520 for your strange days and lonely nights. In Los Angeles, 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:32.639 I'm test Lunch with Molly Lambert, and over in New 0:00:32.720 --> 0:00:39.280 York we have Emily Oshida. Hey, guys, we were going 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:43.280 to start off Emily, you wanted to tell us about 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:48.800 a little restaurant called Honey Brains. Well, I'm informed by 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:52.880 our producer Rachel that this is not a new fast 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:56.240 casual dining concept. I was pretty sure it was. I was. 0:00:56.920 --> 0:00:59.600 I was leaving my boxing class, which we can do 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:02.000 a whole other episode about boxing class, which is my 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:05.800 new favorite thing. Um and as I usually do in 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:10.480 New York, walking around and googling salad on Google Maps, 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:17.120 which is my lifestyle, and then turned around, Um, I 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:19.160 didn't have anything near me. And then I was like, 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:22.440 turned around and right I had been standing right in 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:27.360 front of this bright yellow storefront for something called Honey Brains. 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:29.880 And I think I had not registered it as being 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:32.920 a place to eat because the logo looks like the 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:37.600 UM the Freelancers Union logo of um be High. But 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:40.759 there are so many things going on in this restaurant, 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:44.000 and so it's and it's old news. I was excited 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:46.959 that it was like a new um concept that I 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:49.400 could talk about because I love talking about fast fast 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:53.840 casual concepts. I thought this was something you me too. 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:56.240 You texted us. I thought you said it's my idea 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:58.360 for and I was like, well, that's a great Halloween 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:02.760 fast casual restaurant. Honey Brains. Look, if I was starting 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:05.720 a restaurant called Honey Brains, I feel like it would 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:08.160 be it would be like, let's get ready to just 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:12.720 eat bugs type type restaurant. Like what is that I'm 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:15.600 thinking about? Honey Me, which is the soft serve place, 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:23.080 and Korea two Honey Brains. Well, Honeybrains is like they've 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:27.960 got salads, They've got sandwiches, they've got bowls. They also 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:32.160 have juices, and I also sell an array of um 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:37.360 rare and artisanal honeys and brains look rain sourced honeys. Um. 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:40.480 There is a long spiel and the menu that I 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:44.519 was reading about how it was founded by some kind 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:48.480 of neuroscientists and maybe a dietician or something, and about 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:52.480 how they were they were creating their own five food 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:56.600 groups that were what you needed to have. Um, it's 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:59.000 like neurofood. Yeah, it's like neuro food and they have 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:00.880 a lot of it at the powders and a lot 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:03.839 of supplements there too. But it feels like a green 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:07.040 It does kind of feel like a cult. I was 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:10.600 explaining to someone yesterday with the sources the source family, 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:14.680 because my friend Mukta went on a tour of different 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:17.760 cult locations in Los Angeles. The sources right above the strip. 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:24.760 Right it is Cabocantina. Now nice cult. Yeah, I spent 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:27.640 a lot of time in this past trip in l 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:31.880 A going to various places for salads, and uh, I 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:33.960 feel like I feel like I learned a lot. I 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:35.840 feel like I learned a lot by only It's like 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:37.840 it's like I have a blogging project of doing only 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:39.520 one thing over and over again, except I'm not even 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:41.880 blocking about It's just my life. But you're you're on 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:45.680 a salad kick. Now now that I know that this 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:48.440 is a real restaurant, I'm so much more confused. I 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:51.120 thought this was going to be like your hall, Like 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:54.600 my mind went to like it's a bowl and it 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:58.480 comes in a container shaped like a skull. So it's 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:01.080 like a bowl, but it looked like brains. It's like 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:04.040 a grain bowl, but it's like a brain bowl. This 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:05.880 is what I thought this was going to be. I 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:08.360 first read it as honey braised, and I was like, 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:11.840 that sounds disgusting. Honey, I mean it's less disgusting than 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:14.800 honey brains. Because then he thought about honey braise. Do 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:16.920 you think about braising a brain? And honey? How did 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:19.760 somebody get to the how did this concept? This is 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:23.680 what I'm saying. I don't understand how anybody like market 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:27.159 tested any name that has the word brains in it. Brains. 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:31.560 Maybe they were like, well, there's a very good restaurant 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:35.279 called soup Plantation. Yes, that has a horrible name. I 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:37.240 think sup Plantation has a great name. I think it's 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:41.600 a better name than zup because I no, there's a 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:44.000 place called zoop and there's none in l A. I 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:49.200 was complaining onto what it does. Yes, I feel co 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:53.320 I was trying for it, but yeah, I was complaining 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:55.800 because I think if there were a restaurant that just 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:59.479 sold soup and bread. No, the Plantation is a great restaurant. 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:01.440 It just has a horrible names. No, I like the 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:05.160 names to plantation and I know, I know, but it's memorable. 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:09.640 It's defensive. But maybe that's what Honey Brains is going 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:12.400 forward to. I'm saying, maybe they're like, you'll never forget 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:16.120 I just I just loove. I went in there and 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:18.400 it was it was like, you know, laptop seeing like 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:21.400 everybody was just working on their laptops in there, and 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:23.640 I was like, I was thinking it was a new place, 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:26.120 and I was just like, it's so ridiculous. How you 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:29.200 just have to have a few signifiers, like some fancy 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:32.320 honey on the wall and some some cold press juice 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:35.839 and like a selection of bowls and avocado toasts, and 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:38.440 everyone'd be like, yes, this is my office. Now I'm 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:43.200 at home here and while you're at a place called 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:46.640 I just I'm sorry. I'm sure that they're very very 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:49.159 well intentioned people, Honey Brains. If you work for Honey Brains, 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:50.960 please shut us out and let us know what kind 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:53.240 of company they are to work for. But it's not 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:58.360 It could also be Sit the Star. Maybe, I mean, 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:00.760 didn't Cafe Gratitude turn out to be part of like 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:03.520 a multi level marketing scheme? Oh I don't have the 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:06.320 last time I went there, either side of me, people 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:10.320 were talking about Landmark. They were talking about Oh, that's 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:16.000 what it is, that's Sam Landmark. Yeah, what is it? Well, 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:21.080 first we should explain what Cafe Gratitude Uni Gratitude is 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:25.880 my favorite, favorite favorite restaurant. Everything is called like I 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:29.040 am grateful, I am whole. It's like you have to 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:34.839 order things by saying I am energetic. There's nothing better 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:39.280 than like some fake hippie bullshit covering up something incredibly sinister. 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:42.760 I hear they have really good key Line pie. All 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:46.480 their desserts are amazing. Everyone likes the food there. And 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:52.040 then they are part of Landmark, which is like a 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:56.279 team building Ponzi scheme. Oh this is the one where 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:58.960 you go to the retreat and you can't talk about it. Okay, 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:01.320 now I remember, um no it was. It was for 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:04.000 real and also just to defend the honor of Los Angeles. 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:07.120 It was a San Francisco based company. The first time 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:10.120 I ever went, I ever went to Gratuated in San Francisco, 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:12.480 and it was so much less like what it is now, 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:15.600 Like it's so sleek now. Emily and I were in 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:17.800 New York together once and we went to a place 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:20.280 called Connecticut Muffin. I don't know if we've talked about 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:22.880 this before, but we were like Connecticut Muffin. There's like 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:26.600 this part of Manhattan where there's all these muffin places, 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:29.600 and we were like, oh, the nineties muffin boom. Yeah, 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:32.280 there's a block and there's like a Muffin block in 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:35.920 the Upper west Side and it's so appropriate. Um yeah, 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:38.160 I think we pitched we pitched a show in our 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:41.040 minds about like the Muffin Wars, the New York like 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:44.240 Upper west Side Muffin Wars, the of the early to 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:48.560 mid nineties and catch Fire of Muffins. Yeah, just like 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:52.080 remember when people were like a healthy breakfast, a big muffin, 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:55.960 a big muffin, and then it became Muffin Tops, which 0:07:56.040 --> 0:07:59.440 was also a confused Well, that episode takes place during 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:03.520 the muffin The show is called Muffins if you would 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:08.600 like to buy it, What about Muffin Tops? Though the 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:10.960 show is called Muffin Top because it's about getting to 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:18.880 that to the top of the Boston. Test and I 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:21.600 both watched a show on Netflix. We did that. We 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:23.720 said we were going to watch last week. I don't 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:25.560 think Emily had time to watch it. But don't worry. 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:29.920 You missed not a lot. A lot of people have 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:31.960 been telling us about the Haunting of hill House and 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:37.520 saying it was really good, and I don't know that. No, 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:42.200 I didn't say it was good about it? Yeah, we 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:45.559 were steered wrong. However, I heard that it gets better 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:49.199 until the final episode, which I have heard also is underwhelming. 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:52.680 I've only made it through two episodes, Molly, is that 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:55.080 far or a little bit ahead? You guys, what are 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:57.120 you talking about? This is not a very good show. 0:08:57.240 --> 0:08:59.680 Did not really like this show? Tell me all of 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:01.680 your problems with it. Okay, So first of all, I 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:05.600 was like, I must be like a hard horror friction 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:08.600 nerd because all the liberties. I was like, why even 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:11.360 call it the Haunting of hill House? This has nothing 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:13.880 to do with the book The Haunting of Hill House 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:17.560 Shirley Jackson, which is the Jackson book, of which there 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:20.720 are two movie adaptations, both of which are good in 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:22.880 their own ways. Um, but again I was like, yeah, 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:26.280 like a much more faithful adaptation of the book than 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:29.400 this is. This is just something called the Haunting of 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:32.640 hill House. But it's like Bloodline with ghosts. Oh see, 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:35.160 I thought I described it as being like, this is 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:37.640 us with ghosts, and I was like, this is ghosts. 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:41.160 It's too many Okay, so too many characters. There's it's 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:45.000 a family. They all look exactly exactly like except the 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:48.360 druggy brother, Carla Cook you know, and Elizabeth rees Are 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:51.320 are indistinguishable from one another, as is the one who 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:56.079 plays Theodora. Yeah, is that Elizabeth Reeser? That's that's the question. 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:58.560 The mom, one of the moms and the daughter are 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:03.240 like facially so similar that it becomes incredibly confusing, but 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:06.200 like not in a way that's interesting. The reason the 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:09.400 original is scary is because it's about a random group 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:12.480 of people who come to a haunted house to look 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:15.199 for ghosts, and then a bunch of funked up things happened, 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:18.120 and you like sort of find out the backstory of 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:19.880 the house eventually, but a lot of it is just 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:22.600 like random and for no reason. And this is like 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:27.439 somebody was like, let's motivate everything very specifically to this 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:32.480 one family. The main guy who is like from Tremay 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:34.760 King character, Yeah, I was like I hate this guy 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:36.160 and then I was like, oh, it's because he's Sunny 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:39.800 from Tremay. Yeah. I was just like I don't know. 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:43.160 I wasn't a six ft under person either, and that's 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:45.360 also kind of what I felt like this was going for. 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:47.400 I have to say the pilot of The Haunting of 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:50.880 Hill House was so much less good than the second 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:53.560 episode that I am probably going to keep watching it. 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:58.480 The pilot had some really strange uh gears churned in 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:02.720 a way that there was a monologue, um lot of monologues, 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:06.880 the device of using a cell phone with the character's 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:08.920 names so that they can all call each other, and 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:12.000 eventually you are drilled on who's who. It just is 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:14.000 like drawing more attention to the fact that they are 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:18.800 all identical and have nothing really like. They're just these 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:21.440 little cutouts of people, so there's nothing like to grab 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:26.040 onto except for the matriarch, Carla is it Gugino or 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:29.560 I don't know. I love frst grade and everything she 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:32.439 in Wayward Pines. I was like, I would watch fifty 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:35.080 hours of this just for Carla. She's amazing, you know what. 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:38.320 I also was like, this got made because of Hereditary. 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:41.120 Oh see, I was like, this is exactly like season 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:44.040 one of American Horror Story. Oh yeah, but it's been 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:46.960 good turned around for Hereditary would be a little too 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:50.800 tight for responsive content to that. So I am a 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:53.720 person who's never read the Shirley Jackson book. I've never 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:58.120 seen either of the Hunting of Hella House movies. I 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:01.360 know I've gathered on Twitter that a lot of people 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:05.600 are specifically upset that in some way this new show 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:09.760 goes against like some kind of principle of the original paterial, 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:11.920 Like I'm so familiar with it, what I would have 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:15.120 no idea to know how or or what that is. 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:17.719 But do you guys have a sense of like that. 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:19.640 I don't know. It seemed like it was like a 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:21.640 Shirley Jackson would be really no no grave type thing. 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:24.240 But I don't know. I mean, my guests, I don't 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:27.480 think we're far enough along. But so far the Shirley 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:30.640 Jackson book, it's like it's all about, you know, eerie 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:33.559 things and there's not that much happening, but it's like 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:37.120 a psychological kind of terror situation. Yeah, it's like people 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:39.640 going crazy in a house together and none of the 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:42.320 things are confirmed ever to have happened, And you kind 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:45.800 of wonder if it's like one person who's so disturbed 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:48.640 that their energy is just like disturbing everyone who's coming 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:50.960 into the house into their field kind of thing. Right. 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:53.000 In the book, it's like four people. I think it's 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:57.520 like a ghost hunter, a sexy lesbian, and a woman 0:12:57.559 --> 0:13:00.000 who's like very disturbed because she had to raise her 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:02.520 ailing mother for many years. Oh yeah, she was like 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:05.160 taking she was like her parents. And they all agree 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:07.200 to be part of a study that the ghost hunter 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:09.520 is running where they're going to like go to this 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:12.760 legendarily haunted house that like a millionaire built for his 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:16.160 wife and like. And then there are the caretakers who 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:18.559 are kind of like the creepy the creepy people who 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:21.079 come by and just act strange and then won't stay overnight, 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:23.880 which are also in the um TV show. Yeah, but 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:26.040 it's about like being in this isolated house and like 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:29.720 weird things are happening, and maybe some kind of cool 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:33.120 gay stuff happens, and it's all very ambiguous though it's 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:36.319 like you don't fully know. And then at the end 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:39.920 spoiler alert, Uh, the kind of more disturbed woman gets 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:42.120 like taken over by the house. The house like starts 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:45.600 to possess her, uh, and the spirits of the dead children. 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:47.160 I think it's what you find out that live in 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:50.800 the house they're like buried inside the house. Yeah, there's 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:53.880 like a child in the walls and stuff. There's like 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:59.520 genuinely terrifying. This show is just like all exposition. Like 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:02.199 the mean where they introduced the hot lesbian who's now 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:04.880 one of the sisters, is just like she picks up 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:07.960 a girl and then she's like, hey, I can't stay, 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:13.760 gotta go that I wear gloves and that's my deal, 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:17.840 and then she dies, no wrong, no wrong. Sisters. See 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:21.720 they look exactly alike. Yeah. See, this is the thing 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:25.400 is there's three sisters, two brothers. The brothers you can 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:28.000 tell apart. Because someone was like, the men should look different, 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:30.160 but the women can just all look exactly the same. 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:33.320 And I think the acting like everyone's doing their best. 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:35.920 I think, but there's just not that much to do 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:39.320 yet and maybe there will be by the way. Um. 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:42.120 Someone on the night called Facebook said that Molly looks 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:46.800 exactly like the child actor who plays Shirley in the flashbacks. Wait, really, 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:49.720 is that Lulu or whatever? So I thought she looked 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:54.240 just like your daughter. Oh no, now now the very 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:58.040 distanct just like my daughter. And I was like, I 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:00.000 wonder what this is gonna be like for tests when 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:02.440 she watches the show, I wasn't loving her arc and 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:04.680 I'll tell you that much. So I was like, Okay, 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:08.240 these people are roughly like between you know, late twenties 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:10.640 and forty the characters in present day. Then they do 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:14.440 the flashbacks to their childhood too, which would presumably be 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:18.240 the mid to early nineties, I guess, or early nineties, 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:21.560 and they make the nineties look like it's ninety six, 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:25.520 where it's like I'm using a polaroid camera because that's 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:28.760 all that exists here in the nineties. It's not I 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:31.880 don't know. It's shot in Atlanta. The real failure of 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:34.640 it is that the house isn't scary. The house doesn't 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:37.920 feel very scary. It doesn't feel scary. Also, I just 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:41.800 think it's it totally lacks like any specificity, and that's 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:43.440 the thing. It lacks like a sense of place because 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:45.520 it's supposed to be New England, but it's Atlanta. No. 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:47.240 I thought it was well in the book, it was 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:50.280 never clarified where it was, but in my mind New England. 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:52.760 See in my mind there in Boston a bunch. So 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:54.920 I was like, they must be near the house. I 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:59.600 thought it was in northern California when at that on 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:03.200 the of she's from New Hampshire. That's maybe where my 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:07.040 mind is going. Do you guys have any uh like 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:10.760 idea of how a horror TV show could work? Because 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:13.840 I feel like maybe there's been one and a half 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:16.680 successes so far, But like I'm a person who starts 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:19.280 watching every single episode of American horror story and then 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:20.960 just can't follow you on it. It just like I 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:26.280 loses my interest. Um, I like anthology. Yeah, Twilight Zone 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:29.000 entails from the crypt to me hold up incredibly well 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:32.120 to this day. And I think it's because also, if 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:34.440 you are going to draw a character that's a little 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:37.240 bit thin for the purposes of like a story arc, 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:40.360 it's like fine, if they only have to exist for 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:43.200 one episode, you don't need to know every single thing 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:46.040 about them. Ever, what I thought was super weird about 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:48.400 this series is that there's it does not seem like 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:51.480 a fit for Netflix. It seems like Network, you know. 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:54.240 I mean, it reminded me so much of Wayward Pines, 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:57.280 which I actually enjoyed because Wayward Pines leaned so far 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:00.360 into the campiness. But this is it seems like it 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:03.920 wants to get prestigious trying to be prestige and it's 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:08.000 very like serious. I watch all horror on television, I'm 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:10.880 like a dent down for because I'm excited that it's 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:13.280 here now. You know, it's like a little bit of 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:16.679 a freer landscape than it used to be. And it 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:19.760 totally started with like Walking Dead, and I'm so glad 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:21.480 that there are things that are not Walking Dead that 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:24.520 are popular now that can be called horror television. I 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:27.840 feel like I was really into like, and I surprisedly 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:31.800 stuck with for a while. Is um Penny Dreadful? I 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:33.720 really because it was just like it was just like 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:38.000 goofy Victorian ship and it's so over the top and 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:41.679 so melodramatic and so like kind of hot too. And 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:45.720 then the movie version of from Hell Are We Steampunk? 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:51.399 Is that where this is? I don't think that Penny 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:55.159 Dreadful counts as steampunk. There's not enough I think on 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:58.480 any Victorian that No, then there's no reason to use 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:03.199 the steampunk able. If all Victoriana is steampunk, I'm sorry, 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:09.560 let's ask our listeners. Is Victoriana steampunk? Is Dracula steampunk? 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:13.160 Frankenstein steampunk? Because he's got bolts in his house. When 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:16.680 you say things like is Dracula steampunk? It makes it 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:23.720 you know what I mean, You're leading the listener speaking 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:27.800 of Victorian horror and like old timey creepy thing. Yes 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:34.719 speak punk. Also, to be more exactly, doesn't producer Rachel 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:38.040 have something to contribute to our podcast related to last 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:43.320 week's episode? H Rachel? Hi? Rachel Rachel is on our 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:46.800 on the on the Knobs. Uh and and Rachel like 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:50.040 piped up after last week's episode to say, like, oh, yeah, 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:57.200 I've been watching the SMR plague doctor for years. What's 0:18:57.240 --> 0:19:00.920 his official name? Okay? So the guy his his YouTube 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:05.680 channel is called ephemeral Rift. So like in the world 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:11.760 of like crazy weird h a s MR YouTube rabbit holes. Uh, 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:14.240 you know, there's the usual like people who do like 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:16.919 I'm cutting your hair, I'm just going to be a 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:19.720 librarian kind of role plays, and then there's people like 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:23.760 ephemeral Rift who decided to do entirely HP Lovecraft themed 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:29.280 role placed. Um do you know anything about him and 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:33.840 his origins or like what made him get into it. Um, 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:36.639 he's just like a fortysomething year old dude who is 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:38.600 like I just kind of want to do this um, 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:41.560 and he started out with like a couple of characters. 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:44.159 He had, like a doctor and all of almost all 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:47.800 of his stuff takes place in Arkham Sanitarium, like as 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:50.400 in not the Batman one, as in the HP Lovecraft 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:55.840 one and so went up here, and so there's this, 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:59.000 there's the doctor, there's a doctor Clemens, and then there's 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:02.760 the doctor the wife Margaret, and then there's also he 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:05.080 got a plague doctor mask and he's like, guys, help 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:08.320 me name this plague doctor. And they named him Corbus 0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:11.239 Clements and decided that he is the brother of the 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:15.800 other Dr Clements. Is there any other SMR that's this 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:21.280 like plotted not? I don't think quite so much. There 0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:23.840 was a lot of like steam punk a SMR role 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:26.320 plays like that are one offs. There's also a couple 0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:28.760 of people who do like a couple of episodes of 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:32.359 like one character. There's like a storyline that I found 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:34.760 across a whole bunch of artists who I'm not even 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:39.280 sure know each other about like hunting a vampire and 0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:43.280 they're all just whispering talking about looking for this vampire 0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:46.480 and all, and there's like one person who is the vampire, 0:20:47.240 --> 0:20:48.960 and I'm like, I don't even off these people know 0:20:49.000 --> 0:20:50.359 each other if they just were like, I'm going to 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:54.000 join in on this, dude, how do you follow this plot? 0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:56.680 I can't hear anything that anyone's saying in a s 0:20:56.760 --> 0:20:58.840 m R. I thought that was the point. Are you 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:01.200 just like you're just learning it way up and here? 0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:04.440 And they're like, I guess, so you fall asleep about 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:07.320 halfway through, but like the plots are not hard to follow. 0:21:07.359 --> 0:21:10.320 It's just like, oh, I am a doctor, I am 0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:13.000 going to talk to you. It does legitimately help you 0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:17.760 fall asleep. For me, it doesn't. Well, I was he's 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:20.480 not meant to be He's definitely not meant to be terrifying. 0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:22.720 He's meant to be very silly, like he's like doing 0:21:22.720 --> 0:21:25.080 it over the top, like what is the beaking? Who knows? 0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:29.320 I could toute? So he has like masks are just 0:21:29.440 --> 0:21:33.360 so scary and the lighting is scary, like they're meant 0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:36.200 to be creepy and evocative, but like not really scary. 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:38.360 There's like a couple of ones where he's just like 0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:40.439 I'm just I'm just gonna hang out here at a 0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:45.160 party and do a SMR. There's something also, I think 0:21:45.240 --> 0:21:48.439 I guess because I, in my limited awareness of SMAR, 0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:50.400 I feel like most of the people who do it 0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:55.360 that I've seen are women. So it's it's interesting. He's 0:21:55.400 --> 0:22:00.720 so interesting in quote that to have this forty something 0:22:00.800 --> 0:22:03.640 your old man in a scary mask trying to whisper 0:22:03.680 --> 0:22:06.800 you to sleep. I was watching another clip because I 0:22:06.840 --> 0:22:08.480 was going through this account and you're telling me about 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:11.120 him before we started recording, and there's one where he's 0:22:11.160 --> 0:22:14.000 like in some kind of like leather suit and the 0:22:14.040 --> 0:22:17.879 sound of the leather is really amped, at least I 0:22:18.280 --> 0:22:21.040 felt from my my phone speaker, and that was like 0:22:21.080 --> 0:22:24.200 the opposite of a s MR to me. Some people 0:22:24.320 --> 0:22:27.280 like that though that some people really like listen, I 0:22:27.320 --> 0:22:31.760 mean sounds, and like some people like the blocks together. Yeah, 0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:33.720