1 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:14,319 Speaker 1: And just like that, we're back Late Kick Extra Thursday morning, 2 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: February twenty fifth year of Our Lord, twenty twenty one, 3 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: jam packed as always, got a lot of Q and A. 4 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: As soon as I've started recording, my little space heater 5 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,639 Speaker 1: came on over here. You know what, Jordan, We're not 6 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: even going to stop the recording. Let's just turn that off, 7 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: all right, there we go. That's proof that even though 8 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: we don't record this live, we certainly don't edit it 9 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: and chop it up a whole heck of a lot. 10 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: All right, So we've got a wald to walll Q 11 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: and A. That's the format every single episode of Late 12 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 1: Kick Extra. We do it Tuesday morning, Thursday morning. You 13 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: can submit your questions, make them good, because your content's 14 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 1: always better than mine. Joshpait seven zero six at gmail 15 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: dot com. That's one way. Follow me on Twitter at Latekickjosh. 16 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: That's another way, several reasons to follow me on Twitter. Actually, 17 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: also to put it right here on the front end. 18 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: I've gotten a ton of great submissions. I got some 19 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: really good ideas we have created from the dust, as 20 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: if we plucked one of Adam's ribs out of his ribcage. 21 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 1: We have created Pate State University. This is not open 22 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 1: for enrollment. It is purely hypothetical or theoretical at this point. 23 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna use a lot when I need to 24 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: reference a random team in a random scenario on our shows, 25 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: I got tired of using Kent State, and so we're 26 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: going to use Pate State. We need a mascot name, 27 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: we need a battlecry. I got some good ones so far, 28 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 1: some very creative ones, ones I never would have thought 29 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: of in a million years. Here's what I want you 30 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 1: to do. Just picture them. Picture them on anywhere from 31 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:35,839 Speaker 1: a T shirt to the side of a helmet. What's 32 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: going to look good, what's going to sound good? What 33 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: would you play for? We have to appeal to the 34 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: masses here. We're looking to build a program, after all, 35 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: So keep those submissions coming in. All right, let's not 36 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: waste a whole lot of time this morning. Let's dive 37 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: right in. My apologies. By the way, I recorded the 38 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: show the other day. I was so excited. I found 39 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: an old microphone I used to use when I was 40 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: doing independent stuff down in Columbus, and I thought to myself, 41 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: you know, until I get my new new microphone in 42 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: let me use this one. I was great. Producer. Jordan 43 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: was so excited when I told him, and we recorded. 44 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,119 Speaker 1: Audio was great, sound quality was great, except for one 45 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: little flaw, which turned out to be the reason I 46 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: had forgotten that I stopped using that microphone. It cut 47 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: out quarter seconds every so often, sounds like clips. It 48 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: sounds like your internet's not working. And then you realize, 49 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 1: wait a second, I'm listening in my car. How can 50 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: my internet not be working. It's got to be him. Yeah, 51 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 1: it was me. Well it was the mic. I just 52 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: want all the credit with none of the blame. That's 53 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: all I want. So I want the mic to take 54 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: the blame. If it's a good show, I want the credit. 55 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: But yeah, the mic has been It hasn't been disposed 56 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: of because it still looks cool. I use it as 57 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: a prop sometimes, But it has been set back in 58 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: its proper corner, and it will once again begin to 59 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: collect dust. And we'll get a new microphone in here eventually, 60 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: to where even though we have like B quality audio 61 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: right now, good enough is not enough. So we're gonna 62 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: get you some A plus quality audio in the not 63 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: too distant future. Of course, if every one signs my 64 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: expense reports around here. All right, let's dive in this morning. 65 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: Our first question comes from Stephen steven says, I know 66 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 1: recruiting has been excellent since Kirby Smart got to Georgia, 67 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: but I can't help but worry that he's dropping the 68 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: ball and putting the program at a disadvantage with how 69 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: many other programs are leveraging the transfer portal to boost 70 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: the rosters. Is Kirby Smart being stubborn and dinosaursh or? 71 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: Am I making much ado about nothing? Well, Steven, I 72 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: don't think he's ignoring the transfer portal. I know the 73 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: quote you're talking about, he being Kirby Smart. He's referenced 74 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: this pretty recently. Dabo Swinny talked about this at Great 75 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: Link yesterday. I'm going to talk a lot more about 76 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: it on Tonight's Late Kick Live because I think there 77 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: may be either some coaches slightly misspeaking or misleading you, 78 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: or and this will be the more popular case, there 79 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: are coaches who are saying things and then there are 80 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: people who are hearing different things than the coach said. 81 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: That's the case with Dabo tonight. Like Dabo, I'm gonna 82 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: go over the quote tonight, but he said the way 83 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: that we do things that Clemson isn't changing. The rules 84 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: have just changed. Well, what people are going to interpret 85 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: that as some people are going to interpret that as Oh, 86 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: Davos saying he's never going to take transfers. We'll see 87 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: about that. Well, he's not saying that. In fact, he 88 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: said the exact opposite. And again I'll go into that 89 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: in a lot more detail tonight. But you, Stephen, are 90 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: referencing Kirby Smart, and Kirby has recently, you know, expressed 91 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: some displeasure, if not outright disdain for the transfer portal. 92 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: You're going to hear this from a lot of coaches. 93 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: You're going to hear it, especially from the programs that 94 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 1: stack really, really good recruiting classes on top of each other, 95 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 1: because what happens is all of a sudden, with the 96 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: way that the rules have changed, is they essentially see 97 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 1: a trapdoor being built under their roster. What I mean 98 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: is this every spring. Let's just say, let's start right now, 99 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: so we're in February. Let's say you're the head coach 100 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: at Georgia and you're Kirby Smart, and you've recruited a 101 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 1: whole lot of good classes, and you keep on stacking 102 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: top three, top four classes on top of each other. 103 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: Got a couple of number one classes in there. So 104 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 1: you go into spring practice. You got loaded position groups. 105 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: You got great depth all over the place, and spring 106 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: is what it is, and guys fight for positions. And 107 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: then they come out of spring and then previously, what 108 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,679 Speaker 1: did you do well? You met with your entire roster. 109 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: You got a general feel for where guys were. You 110 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: were gonna have some guys happy, you were gonna have 111 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: some guys unhappy. But by and large, you know, you 112 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: stroked them on the side of the cheek or you 113 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: gave them some tough love and you told them what 114 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: they needed to hear and what they need to improve on. 115 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: And then they go into the summer and hopefully they 116 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: take the off season strength and conditioning seriously and they 117 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: show up and fall ready to fight and at the 118 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 1: very worst, you're gonna have superior depth because of those guys. Well, now, 119 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 1: with the way the rules have changed, there's all of 120 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: a sudden, what I'm calling a new trap door that's 121 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: built under your roster, and at any given second after 122 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: spring practice happens, and guys have seen the pecking order 123 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: and where they may be on the depth chart. Come fall, 124 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: one of those trap doors could open and you could 125 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 1: see again after spring. It's very important to note the 126 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: calendar here. You could see after spring in any given year, 127 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: you can see two of your running backs transfer. You 128 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: could see a wide receiver and a couple of corners transfer. 129 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, you go from entering spring 130 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 1: with a great looking debt situation at one position group 131 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: to being perilously thin and like the blink of an 132 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: eye at that position group. And what happened, Well, what 133 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: happened was guys realized, hmmm, I'm not gonna be able 134 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 1: to play here. And then maybe that coincided with some 135 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: folks from other programs illegally, but it'll happen reaching out 136 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: to them via back channel and saying, hey, you could 137 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: play here, Or maybe they get in touch with the 138 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: uncle of a kid or the cousin of a kid. 139 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 1: Hey tell him he could play here. Now look at 140 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: our depth situation. He's running, You say, he's running with 141 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: the threes up in Athens. Well, man, he could come 142 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: down here, he come over here or up here, and 143 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: he'd be running with our ones. He's better than anyone 144 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: we have and all of a sudden, these trap doors open, 145 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: and you may think to yourself, oh, boohoo, I'm not 146 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: gonna feel sorry for multi millionaire head coaches. They got 147 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 1: plenty of players. Okay, you can feel that way, but 148 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about your perspective at the moment. I'm 149 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 1: talking about Kirby Smart's perspective, or Nick Saban or Dabos Swinney, 150 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: Ryan Day, the co which is at all these big 151 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: time programs. What do you do, like Dabo Swiney. That's 152 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: another part of the quote I'm going to reference tonight. 153 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: What do you do? It's one thing if guys transfer 154 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: after the season's over and you know that, hey, you 155 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: could theoretically address things still via recruiting, but now you 156 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: could go into spring, like the previous recruiting class is 157 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: already locked up, they're on campus, so they're about to 158 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: come on to campus. What happens if you lose multiple 159 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: pieces of depth providing from one position group after spring. 160 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: It's like Dabo says, you can't go and recruit a 161 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: guy out of high school in May, you can't go 162 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: recruit one in June. So you may have no other 163 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: alternative than to go to the transfer portal. Some coaches 164 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: are going to use the portal more sparingly than others. 165 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: The philosophy, obviously at Georgia or at Clemson, is we 166 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: are a developmental program. We fashion ourselves like an NFL model, 167 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: and so we bring guys in and we develop and 168 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: it's a multi year process. But we've also got a 169 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: culture here to where we believe in our evaluation we're 170 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: going to have very few guys fall by the wayside 171 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: for reasons that pertain strictly to on the field. Now, 172 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: if a guy becomes an academic casualty, or you know, 173 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: he has a couple of arrests and we have to 174 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: cut him loose to a certain extent, maybe you can 175 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: do character evaluation. But that stuff we could not know 176 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: was coming. But from a pure talent evaluation standpoint, we're 177 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: good enough where we're not going to miss on guys. 178 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: So we're gonna get the right people on campus. And 179 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: if we're doing things the way we should, and we're 180 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: recruiting the way we should, we won't need to go 181 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: to the portal, and if we do, it'll be the rare, 182 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: rare exception to the rule. So, Stephen, when you talked 183 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,719 Speaker 1: about being dinosaurs. Let me ask you, and this is 184 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: rhetorical because I got to move on, but what would 185 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: you rather see in anyone listening right now? Ask yourself 186 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 1: this question. You're a fan of filling the blank university? 187 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:47,839 Speaker 1: What would you rather see? Would you rather see your 188 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: program constantly having to go into December and knowing we're 189 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: going to need three, four or five guys from the 190 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: portal this year? Or would you like to be a 191 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: program that knows, hey, we won't even need to address 192 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 1: the portal this year, and we may not need to 193 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: go to it next year, and then third year in 194 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: we're probably gonna need We're probably gonna to may need 195 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: to go find an outside linebacker. Look at what's happened 196 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: to our interior defensive line depth. Let's see if there's 197 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: a guy out there that's a good fit for our program. 198 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 1: We don't need one, but we would like to have one. 199 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: That's what I think. You want to use the transfer 200 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 1: portal as it's there as a fallback option. It's always there. 201 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: You know it's going to be there, and you know 202 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: if you are Clemson, if you are Georgia, if you 203 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 1: are Ohio State or Alabama or Oklahoma, Texas USC You're 204 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: always going to be attractive, and therefore you know that 205 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: you could theoretically go get one. It's just not the 206 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 1: way you want to build your fold. It's not the culture. 207 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: It's not your culture, it's not what you preach, and 208 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: so there's nothing wrong with going to the portal. Dan 209 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: Mullin's doing it very well right now, Lincoln Riley's doing 210 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: it very well this cycle. I think it's still too 211 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,959 Speaker 1: early to know what trends to expect at various programs. 212 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: So therefore, Stephen, I think it's too early to know 213 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: how quote to use your quote Dinosaurs unquote Georgia and 214 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: Kirby Smart are going to be but I don't think 215 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: it is a dinosaurs approach to hesitate in leaning on 216 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 1: the portal. Next up, Paul, he asks, how will the 217 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 1: NCAA prevent in the future boosters just using advertisements or 218 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: brand ambassador, etc. As a method to pay players to 219 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: come to their school. Well, Paul, I don't know that 220 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: they will be able to. What Paul's asking about here 221 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: is name, image and likeness. This was the first thought 222 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: that most people had when they heard that name, image 223 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: and likeness. It was going to change the rules around 224 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: that were going to change, and all that means is 225 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: you can use your name. They can't stop you from 226 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: profiting off of your name, off of your image. And 227 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: so again in theory, what that means is, I'm not 228 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: going to be paid a direct paycheck for playing football 229 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 1: at Colorado, but if I have somebody out there who 230 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: wants to pay me twenty five hundred dollars a month 231 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: to use my name to endorse their product, the NC 232 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: DOUBLEA will no longer be able to prevent me from 233 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 1: doing that. And at that point, the free market just 234 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: naturally works itself out. Well, if that were the case, 235 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: if it were just pure free market prints in play, Paul, 236 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: you wouldn't even be asking this question. But as we know, 237 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: there's no way that's going to happen, at least from 238 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: the NC double A standpoint. There's no where they're going 239 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: to want that to happen for a million different reasons 240 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: we don't have time to get into. And so you'll 241 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: have these little artificial barriers and these artificial governors put 242 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: into place to make sure, Okay, you can do this, 243 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: but we can't quite let you do that. And one 244 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: of the things Paul's asking here is the NCAA is 245 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: going to tell you, if they haven't already when they 246 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: passed this legislation, it will no doubt include language that 247 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: says schools cannot be involved here. So, in other words, 248 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: if I am a four star receiver from Ocala, Florida, 249 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: and I'm about to go to the University of Florida, 250 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: if I go there and I end up profiting off 251 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: my name, image, and likeness because mister Jones over here, 252 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:53,439 Speaker 1: who runs an orange juice distribution plant, wants to use 253 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: my name to endorse his product, that's fine. But what 254 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: can't happen is Dan Mullen can't come in my living 255 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: room and say, hey, Josh, if you sign with Florida, 256 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 1: we have a deal worked out with this orange juice 257 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: distribution plant to where any kid who signs with us 258 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: gets X number of dollars per year as an endorsement. 259 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: So if you're a Gator, you get that endorsement deal. Now, Paul, 260 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: they're going to tell you that's not possible. And what 261 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: Paul's also saying is how are you going to have 262 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: all this in place but still say it's illegal to 263 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: pay players in recruiting, Because again, let's go back to 264 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: the same scenario Florida. Dan Mullin's not allowed to walk 265 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: in my living room and say, Josh, I'll give you 266 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: five thousand dollars if you sign with Florida. He's not 267 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: allowed to do that. Right, that's illegal, that's an impermissible benefit. 268 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: But yet, what Paul's asking is, if the name, image, 269 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: and likeness, if all that's legal, then what stops Dan 270 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: Mullen from going to the Orange Juice distribution plant manager 271 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: and saying, here's five thousand bucks. I want you to 272 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: go tell Josh if he signs with Florida, he's going 273 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: to get that money. Paul, you understand what we're trying 274 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: to do here. We're trying to control the flow of water. 275 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: We're trying to plug thirteen holes with ten fingers. It 276 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: of course, is impossible. So Paul, to answer your question, 277 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: how's the NCAA gonna prevent it? They're not gonna prevent it. 278 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: That's the way this is gonna work. And when you 279 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: look at how many times they've attempted to kick the 280 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: can down the road on this, they just did it recently. 281 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: They just succeeded in pushing it down the road. A 282 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: few more months. The reason is because they know they're 283 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: ill equipped. They can't handle it. Once you open that, 284 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: if you want to call it a Pandora's box, once 285 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: you open that Pandora's box, you can't partially shut it off. 286 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: You can't open a fire hydrant and then hand people's 287 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: straws and say, okay, you can go drink from that 288 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: fire hydrant, but you're only allowed to use the straw 289 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: we gave you. That's not the way that works. And 290 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: so it's similarly here. Once you open it, you open it, 291 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: and once it's happening, it's happening, and there are a 292 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: lot of coaching staffs out there trying to figure out 293 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: the same thing you are, Paul, Because here's the problem. 294 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: What you don't want is you don't want to be 295 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: the program that decides to stick strictly to the letter 296 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: of the law. And then you get your lunch packed 297 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: on the recruit trail because other folks are looking around saying, 298 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 1: hold up, there are no cops on this interstate. Our 299 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: radar detector is silent. The waysapp says there is no 300 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: law enforcement for two hundred miles. We're going to go 301 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 1: ninety five and you're doing seventy and you feel great 302 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: about yourself, but then all of a sudden, all you 303 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: can see is dust because everyone's left you. So how 304 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: do you manage this? How do you balance ethics morality 305 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: if those are the things that you want to reference 306 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: there versus the competitive nature and competitive advantage. Also once 307 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: you say, things are kind of okay, So let's go 308 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: back to the ethics and the morality clauses, maybe in 309 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: your own mind and contract once you have the NCAA 310 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: tell you name, image and likeness, it's okay for guys 311 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: to profit off of it. Now, all those ethical dilemmas 312 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: you maybe used to have where you said, you know, 313 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: I think these kids should be able to get money, 314 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: but since it's illegal, I cannot stand for it. Well, 315 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: now that they say it's okay for them to get 316 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: some kinds of money, maybe those ethical dilemmas you used 317 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: to have, maybe those moral dilemmas in your own mind 318 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: as a coach that you used to have, If they 319 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: were there, maybe they go out the window, and maybe 320 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: you don't care so much anymore. Maybe you do push 321 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: the gas down a little bit more. Maybe you feel 322 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: comfortable cruising at eighty five eighty seven? Could we hit ninety. 323 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: Maybe we'll see possibly got to work our way up 324 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: to it. But Paul, there is no bureaucratic army in 325 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: Indianapolis or Washington for that matter, big enough to police 326 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: what we're about to have coming at us with nil. 327 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: All right, Next up, So I had a Twitter poll. 328 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: It was kind of inspired by something I had been 329 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: talking to someone on the phone about earlier that day, 330 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: and I put it up there, as I sometimes do 331 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: if I have random thoughts, I just want to get 332 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: your opinion on it. I want to know, you know, 333 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: via free market research, what you think. So I did 334 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: it the other day on Twitter, and I said, if 335 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: I offered you access to one thing or the other thing, 336 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: which would you take and why. I'm going to detail that. 337 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you my take right after this. So 338 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: here is the Twitter poll I put up yesterday or 339 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: two days ago, depending on when you're listening to this. 340 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: I said, if I could offer you full at access 341 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: to one of these things, which would you take? And why? 342 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: Option A all recruiting calls and recruiting visits, including in 343 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: home visits, including kids coming onto campus for your favorite program. 344 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: You get a bird's eye view. You get to be 345 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: a fly on the wall for all that would you 346 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: rather have access to that or would you rather have 347 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: access to coaching staff meetings? Now, it was about a 348 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: sixty five thirty five or a seventy thirty split most people, 349 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: most of you chose the coaching staff meetings. That's probably 350 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: the way I would lean. However, it was funny how 351 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: emphatic those of you who answered the poll and then 352 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: you gave a written response. You were very emphatic both ways. 353 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: Because there are some people who find the world of 354 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: recruiting as its own season, and I've always viewed it 355 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: that way too. Recruiting college football. Recruiting is almost like 356 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: a separate sport inside of the overarching bubble of college football. 357 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: So if you were to be able to watch, let's say, 358 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: Mike Norvel at Florida State go into the living room 359 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: of a kid, you have literally never been able to 360 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: see that before. Unless you are a family member or 361 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: a friend and you've actually been in the house, you've 362 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 1: never been able to witness that. Now, you rarely get 363 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 1: to see staff meetings, but you and I have both 364 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: seen staff meetings before. We haven't seen a whole staff meeting, 365 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: and we certainly haven't had cameras able to access the 366 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: most juicy parts of those staff meetings, but we have 367 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: seen them before. You have never been able to watch 368 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 1: Nick Saban sit down in a living room with grandma 369 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: and mom and dad and sister and brother and prospect 370 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: and sell Alabama to that kid. And you've also never 371 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 1: been able to hear negative recruiting. When is the last 372 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 1: time that you would have been able to hear about 373 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: negative recruiting? Not about it? You've heard about it? When 374 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: have you ever heard it? When have you ever sat 375 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: as a fly on the wall in a living room 376 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: and listen to Steve Sarksian address Oklahoma's depth chart, or 377 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: if you're listening to Sam Pittman have to go on 378 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:59,239 Speaker 1: the road and they're battling LSU for a prospect and 379 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,719 Speaker 1: the mom of the kid is saying LSU has won 380 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: a national title. More recently, why should Junior come to 381 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: Arkansas If he can go down there and he can 382 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 1: fulfill his dreams of the NFL, but he could also 383 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 1: potentially win a title. How does Sam Pittman respond, You've 384 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: never been able to see that. So the folks who 385 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: wanted the access to the recruiting, that's why they wanted 386 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: that access. Like they're thinking to themselves, I'm pretty sure 387 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,959 Speaker 1: a staff meeting sounds a lot cooler than it actually is. 388 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 1: It's just a much of mundane, boring boiler plate here, 389 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 1: attention to detail there. And I sit through meetings all 390 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: day at work. I want to go into a world 391 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: I've never had access to, and that's that recruiting world. Now, 392 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: those of you on the other side, those of you 393 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: who were of the opinion that you wanted access to 394 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: the coaching staffs and the coaching meetings and the game 395 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: plan installations and that sort of thing. You referenced the 396 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: Nick Saban recruiting video that came out that was leaked, 397 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: that zoom chat that the kid from Philadelphia who Alabama 398 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 1: is still recruiting by the way. He released that the 399 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: other day, and those of you who watched that said, well, 400 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 1: you've seen one, you see them all. I don't necessarily 401 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: think you read the question thoroughly enough. I wasn't just 402 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 1: talking about zoom calls. I was talking about access to 403 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: everything in the world of recruiting. So when the kid 404 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: comes on campus for his official visit, you get to 405 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: see it. When coaches fly to his home and do 406 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: the en home visit. You get to see it, and 407 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: you thought to yourself, Okay, but recruiting is recruiting, that's 408 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 1: not even that's not even football. They're not even on 409 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: campus yet. So I want to see the actual, immediate 410 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: relevant football related items. That's what I want access to. 411 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,239 Speaker 1: So it was really interesting because it wasn't There were 412 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: very few fench riders. You guys were firmly on board 413 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: one side or the other. I chose staff meetings only 414 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: because I think, let me stress, I think I know 415 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: what's going on most of the time in the living 416 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: room of recruits. Now, this is where I have a 417 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: little bit of an unfair advantaged because you get to 418 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: sometimes in my line of work, you get to talk 419 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 1: to kids on the record. They're going to give you 420 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 1: standard answers off the record. When you talk to parents 421 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 1: and you talk to players, you start to develop a profile, 422 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: a recruiting profile for coaches. And what you learn is 423 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: it's no different than if you were cold calling. If 424 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: you were working at a cold call center, you call 425 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: one person, you try and sell the product, and they 426 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: buy it or they don't buy it, and then you 427 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 1: call it the next person. Not a whole lot changes 428 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: about your pitch. And so what I've learned in weighing 429 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: one option versus the other here is once I heard 430 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: at Orzearn sell LSU one time, I've heard eighty percent 431 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: of what I would hear in any visit. Now that 432 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: twenty percent is very important because the twenty percent is 433 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: what is tailored to that specific recruit. And yes, while 434 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: that would be interesting, every game plan is unique unto itself. 435 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: In a week, if I were to be able to 436 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:39,120 Speaker 1: watch staff meetings, and also you've got so much internal drama. 437 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: Let's say, if I am at Oklahoma State and I 438 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: get to watch Mike Gundy run his program, there may 439 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: be things going on unique to Oklahoma State that no 440 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: other program's dealing with. There may be things at the 441 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: University of Illinois. Is Brett Beelam was brand new on 442 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: the scene that no other program's dealing with, so that 443 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: there would just be more variety. I think if I 444 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: could be a fly on the wall in staff meetings. 445 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: So that's why I chose staff meetings. But as usual, 446 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: certainly no wrong answer here either way. Let's roll on here. 447 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 1: I got one I forgot to hit the other day. 448 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: So first off. My apologies to Scotty K on Twitter. However, 449 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to make it up to you right now. 450 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 1: So Scotty asked, people seem to always claim that the 451 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: playoff expansion is the solution to all of our college 452 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: football playoff problems. Obviously I don't claim that, but Scotty 453 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: is right a lot of people do claim that. He said, 454 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: while I'd love to see a bigger playoff field, I 455 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: don't think expansion addresses the real issue right now. The 456 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 1: four teams are selected based on vague criteria of just 457 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 1: being quote, the four best teams unquote. How would you 458 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: feel if the four teams were selected based on measurable 459 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:40,360 Speaker 1: statistics such as ESPN's strength of record. I think this 460 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: move would eliminate any bias Committee has and provide a 461 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: clearer path to the playoff. Well, Scotty, I have a 462 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 1: problem with it, but not because of the principle of 463 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: your question. In other words, if you would allow me 464 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: to define the criteria, then I wouldn't worry about this. 465 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: I'd have definits in place, and I would no we 466 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: would all know going into the beginning of the season 467 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: exactly what you needed to accomplish, exactly which statistical benchmarks 468 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 1: you needed to hit. The problem is that's not the 469 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: way it would be handled. Laughable metrics. Like all due 470 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: respect the suggestion you put in here, ESPN's strength of 471 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 1: record would be used, it's garbage. In fact, most strength 472 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 1: strength of schedule metrics out there are garbage. The only 473 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: strength of schedule metric that should be used is one 474 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: that is purely Vegas based, and that means power rating based. 475 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 1: And what that means, to put a finer point on 476 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: it is the Vegas Odds Maker's Poll is a really 477 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: good reference tool because they don't drop teams just because 478 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: they lose. They could have a three loss team ahead 479 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: of an undefeated team. All they're doing is ranking who 480 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: they would favor over who on a neutral field. That 481 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 1: is my reference point to determine true strength of schedule, 482 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 1: because you could have a four loss team that just 483 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: happens to have played four teams inside the top twenty 484 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 1: and the AP or a lot of other strength of 485 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 1: schedule types out there. They're going to out of necessity, 486 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: they think, drop them out of the top twenty five. Well, 487 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, if you've played that team, you 488 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: don't get credit for a top twenty five win. Conversely, 489 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: if I play a team that played a garbage schedule 490 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: in the AAC or the ACC rather and they avoided Clemson, 491 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: that team could be terrible, could be ten and two, 492 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: and I get credit for beating a double digit win 493 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: team in the top fifteen. That's not real strength of schedule. 494 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,479 Speaker 1: That's not and so the problem is you actually end 495 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: up with those kinds of strength of schedule metrics, you 496 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: end up punishing teams in better conferences. Let me give 497 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: you an example. Let's just play a hypothetical here. Let's 498 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 1: say Texas A and M is the number ten team 499 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: in the country. All right, it's just a random year. 500 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: This is not this year. It's just a random year. 501 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: Let's say Texas A and M. You got them rank tenth, 502 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: and over the next three weeks they play number one Alabama, 503 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: number three Florida, and number four Georgia back to back 504 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 1: to back, and they lose all those games by seventeen points, 505 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: three points, and ten points. What would you do with 506 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: Texas A and M's ranking? They were number ten, they 507 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: lost three games in a row. What would you do 508 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: if you are an AP voter, I'm telling you what 509 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 1: you're doing you're dropping them down into the twenties, if 510 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: not out of the top twenty five all together. If 511 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 1: I'm a power rating guy, by my own admission, when 512 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,719 Speaker 1: I ranked A and M tenth, I'm saying they should 513 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: lose all those three games. They should lose them. In fact, theoretically, 514 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: if you're playing my number one, three, and four team, 515 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: if you're number five or lower, I should expect you 516 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: to go zero to three versus that lineup. Doesn't mean 517 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: you can't pull the upset. But I'm not in my mind, 518 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,640 Speaker 1: I'm not punishing you because you lost the games. If 519 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: you lose fifty to three, if the style of the 520 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,199 Speaker 1: game is not indicative of what I should expect from 521 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: the number ten team in the country, that's different. But 522 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 1: if I have the number ten team play Alabama, I 523 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: expect them to get beat by about seventeen. If they 524 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: play the number three team and number four team, I 525 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: expect maybe a touchdown to a ten point margin. That's 526 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: what I would expect. So in my power ratings, I 527 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: wouldn't drop A and M at all. I may even 528 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: bump them up one or two depending on what the 529 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: rest of the poll did. So you've got a perfect 530 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 1: situation there that encapsulates what I'm talking about, because here's 531 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,919 Speaker 1: what happens. If Florida, in this scenario, they've beaten Texas 532 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: A and M towards the end of the year. If 533 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: A and M ends up losing those three games and 534 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: they're at least a three loss team, well, Florida's not 535 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: getting credit for beating a top ten team because A 536 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: and M wouldn't be in the top ten. But yet 537 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,199 Speaker 1: they have probably beaten a top ten caliber team. And 538 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 1: that becomes a mess because then also in these other conferences, 539 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: you've got let's just say Virginia. Any given year, Virginia 540 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: avoids Miami and Clemson in the ACC and they go 541 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: eleven to one regular season, there's no way they're not 542 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: going to be in the top fifteen. There wins the 543 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: last time a power five to one loss team was 544 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: not in the top fifteen. And so let's say Clemson 545 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: plays them in the ACC title game. Clemson would actually 546 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,679 Speaker 1: get credit for having defeated a top fifteen team in 547 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: the conference title game, whereas Florida has played Texas A 548 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: and M, a better team power rating wise, a better 549 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 1: team in the regular season, and Florida is getting less 550 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: credit for having beaten A and M than Clemson is 551 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,719 Speaker 1: getting for beating Virginia. And quickly you see how false 552 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: strength of schedule metrics actually being baked into a real 553 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: playoff model. How that makes me leary. And so I'm 554 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: a big believer in having the human element in the 555 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: room because as we look at the way that that 556 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 1: stuff is weighted, sometimes improperly, and we look at the 557 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 1: inability of too many people in the college football room 558 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,120 Speaker 1: to open their eyes and realize record does not tell 559 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: the whole story in college sports like it does in 560 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 1: pro sports. As long as you have that inability and 561 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: that misunderstanding of how college football works, I need the 562 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 1: human element in the room. Otherwise, knowing the crew that 563 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: would put it together, I wouldn't trust the data points 564 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 1: that they use to determine the blind qualifiers for the playoff. 565 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,199 Speaker 1: Now outside of that, you know, I am totally one 566 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: hundred percent against any auto bid of any kind for anyone, 567 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: including the SEC, which is the best conference in college football. 568 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 1: I don't even think in August we should be saying 569 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 1: their champion is automatically going to be in the playoff. 570 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 1: I don't believe in that at all. So in lieu 571 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 1: of someone coming to me and saying it's up to 572 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: you to design the playoff system. No, I got to 573 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,159 Speaker 1: go against you here. I Am not going to be 574 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 1: a big believer in defining all these because all that 575 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 1: does is back me in a corner, and it's one 576 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: that I'm going to probably have to come out of 577 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: swinging eventually, because I know how that's going to end. 578 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: I absolutely know how that would end. All Right, good 579 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 1: podcast this morning. 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