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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody.

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Speaker 2: Thursday edition of The Clay, Travis and Buck Sexton Show

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Speaker 2: gets going right now. A lot of things on the

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Speaker 2: menu today for our news items and analysis.

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Speaker 1: Much to discuss.

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Speaker 2: For one thing, The New York Times and others still

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Speaker 2: trying to find a way to justify that they lied

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Speaker 2: about the laptop, and they're still taking cheap shots. They

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Speaker 2: will not report honestly that it is absolutely real.

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Speaker 1: They keep saying some of it's real, but some of

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Speaker 1: it we don't know. You can't disprove it's all hysteria.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of hysteria, Brian Steltzer, do you better hid the clay?

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Speaker 1: He used to have a show, Let's see it ed.

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Speaker 2: Brian Stelter is worried about ways that Trump, were he

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Speaker 2: to win the election, would punish the news media. He

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Speaker 2: might say very bad things about that, very big things,

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Speaker 2: probably the biggest.

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Speaker 3: You we mentioned yesterday that there's all this talk about

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Speaker 3: people crying. Do you remember when Brian Stelter shared that

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Speaker 3: he just like curled up in the fetal.

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Speaker 1: Position during COVID? Do I remember, Clay?

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Speaker 2: That was one of the pinnacle moments of lib wimpiness

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Speaker 2: during COVID. I still celebrate Stelter's whole catalog.

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Speaker 1: I mean we were.

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Speaker 3: Talking about this because Soto Mayor said, Oh my goodness,

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Speaker 3: I sometimes go in my office and just shut the

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Speaker 3: door and cry. I I understand people are saying, oh,

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Speaker 3: people need to get more in touch with their emotions.

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Speaker 1: If you're at work and you.

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Speaker 3: Cry, there's a and you didn't just find out that

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Speaker 3: some close family member died or a coworker. I'm not

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Speaker 3: giving exceptions here, but because something happened to you at

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Speaker 3: work that made you so emotionally unstable that you had

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Speaker 3: to go to your office and cry.

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Speaker 1: Like well, you know, talk about people, but this is

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Speaker 1: the thing.

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Speaker 3: People at OutKick that were going into their offices and

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Speaker 3: regularly crying, I wouldn't want to employ them anymore because

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Speaker 3: I would think to myself, that doesn't sound like someone

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Speaker 3: who's emotionally stable enough to work here. You certainly don't

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Speaker 3: brag about it as if it's some sign of strength.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, loss of a family member or friend, or or

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Speaker 2: like actual you were allowed to actual grief is perfectly

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Speaker 2: acceptable for anyone to cry. There are some other extenuating circumstances,

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Speaker 2: but the bragging about the crying during COVID as a

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Speaker 2: means of associating yourself or connecting to other people is

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Speaker 2: a very weird thing. Let's not get too bogged down

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Speaker 2: into that. We also still fired up by that Leah

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Speaker 2: Thomas banned from swimming in the Olympics. I will admit this.

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Speaker 2: I did not even know that this was trying. That

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Speaker 2: he was trying, he was trying to make this happen.

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Speaker 2: I did not know that. So it was it was like,

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Speaker 2: oh my gosh, Clay and I will talk about this.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting the implications of it, the way the international

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Speaker 2: body has come down and decide what the rules are.

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Speaker 2: There's at least some recognition that if you go through

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Speaker 2: mail puberty you do have a huge advantage. And this

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Speaker 2: is insane. Scotis came down with a nine to no

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Speaker 2: decision on MiFi prestone, which is the abortion drug. Disappointing there,

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Speaker 2: but I understand the legal reasoning behind it. We will

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Speaker 2: dive into that. We also have see Yeah, as I said,

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Speaker 2: a big menu. I just want to tell you where

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Speaker 2: we're going with all this stuff. Oh, Nathan Wade, the

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Speaker 2: guy involved with Fannie Willis. Fannie Willis is now facing

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Speaker 2: the possibility of being removed from that case, which means

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Speaker 2: the anti Trump Rico Atlanta case is going to be

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Speaker 2: delayed past the election. So that's a huge political loss

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Speaker 2: for them on that one. But also it could go

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Speaker 2: beyond it. We'll discuss. I though wanted it was start with.

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Speaker 2: I thought this was interesting, Claid. You helped bring this

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Speaker 2: one to my attention. As they're trying to make sense

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Speaker 2: of what has happened here with the UH with the

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Speaker 2: Hunter Biden reality right as they're trying to explain why

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Speaker 2: is it that now the president's son has been convicted?

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Speaker 2: What should the what should the status be of the messaging?

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Speaker 2: Right here is I tell you this. I do watch mornings.

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Speaker 2: Did you ever watch it?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 1: Sometimes in the.

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Speaker 3: Middle time, I I this is your Ballywick. I'm going

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Speaker 3: to let you be the behind enemy line.

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Speaker 2: I'm the unofficial MSNBC watcher, so that I know in

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Speaker 2: the mornings what the Democrat talking points are.

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Speaker 3: Chaos in the Travis household in the mornings with the

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Speaker 3: boys running in every direction, Like, I don't have a

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Speaker 3: lot of time to do morning television. So it's not

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Speaker 3: till they're off to school, they're off to summer camps

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Speaker 3: or whatever else that I actually really can kind of

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Speaker 3: sit down and take a breath. So morning Joe is

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Speaker 3: coming gone before I'm even aware of hardly what's going

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Speaker 3: on on television.

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Speaker 1: So this is cut.

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Speaker 2: This has cut sixteen, and it's Joe scarb one in doubt.

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Speaker 2: When somebody gets convicted, what is the fallback? Blame the

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Speaker 2: lawyers play sixteen.

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Speaker 5: They had a plea deal that they could have taken,

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Speaker 5: but because they wouldn't grant him total immunity even over

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Speaker 5: the tax charges, any other charges, they rejected it. So

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Speaker 5: instead of taking an imperfect plea deal, Yeah, they they

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Speaker 5: risked it all, which again in retrospect, seems like really

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Speaker 5: bad lawyering.

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Speaker 1: No, no, it wasn't bad lawyering. They were so close.

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Speaker 2: If it wasn't for people paying attention to the Hunter

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Speaker 2: Biden case, because despite the Democrat media's best efforts to

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Speaker 2: suppress all the information, not just the laptop, a lot

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Speaker 2: of things though, parisma connections and everything else, the tax issues,

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Speaker 2: if there wasn't pressure, public pressure to see what was

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Speaker 2: going on with Hunter Biden, Clay and you said you

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Speaker 2: were very proud of judging Norika for adhering to the

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Speaker 2: actual law, which is true.

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Speaker 1: They were.

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Speaker 2: Truly minutes away from Hunter Biden walking Scott free on everything.

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Speaker 2: Everything goes away, no punishment. If those lawyers had managed

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Speaker 2: to pull that off, it would be the most astonishing

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Speaker 2: legal coup any of us would have ever seen. The

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Speaker 2: judge just said, guys, at some point, this is just

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Speaker 2: the sweetheart deal?

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Speaker 1: Is too sweetheart?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think the IRS agents came forward and this

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Speaker 3: is where the House deserves credit here. They put that

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Speaker 3: testimony on. Everyone became aware of what a rig job

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Speaker 3: this sweetheart deal was, and Judge Noriaika held it up

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Speaker 3: and actually shined a bright light on it and pointed

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Speaker 3: out how ridiculous and unacceptable it was. This is bad

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Speaker 3: and it's not going to shock you. This is bad

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Speaker 3: analysis from Joe Scarborough. And I understand anytime you have

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Speaker 3: a that gets convicted of felonies, there is Monday morning quarterbacking.

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Speaker 3: But buck, pretend that I'm your lawyer and Joe Biden

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Speaker 3: is trying to put you in prison, which, by the way,

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Speaker 3: given where we are right now, maybe not a crazy idea.

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden's trying to put anybody in prison who is

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Speaker 3: connected to Trump or a Trump ally what they rightly

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Speaker 3: that it was the totality of the plea agreement. Now understand,

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Speaker 3: they got a sweetheart deal. I'm not defending the deal,

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Speaker 3: best deal that you can for your client. What blew

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Speaker 3: up this sweetheart deal was the prosecution. That is, the

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Speaker 3: that he would refuse to charge Hunter Biden with any

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Speaker 3: other crimes relating to these incidents in the future. But

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Speaker 3: that's integral to any agreement that you enter into. I'm

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Speaker 3: not going to enter into a plea agreement for my client.

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Speaker 3: Let's pretend I'm advising you and you're like, Okay, you're

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Speaker 3: gonna get a slap on the wrist. There's no serious

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Speaker 3: things here, and you had done a ton of stuff.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't advise you to sign that plea agreement if

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Speaker 3: it allowed the government to later charge you other crimes

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Speaker 1: That's a very essen. The only reason you enter.

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Speaker 3: Into a plea agreement is because you are forestalling any

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Speaker 3: So Scarborough is doing a poor job. Look, I think

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Speaker 3: but he doesn't have a lot of arguments. When Hunter

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Speaker 3: Biden writes that he's a drug addict in his book,

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Speaker 3: and you have all these text messages, the evidence is bad.

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Speaker 3: This is not an easy case to defend.

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Speaker 2: It was essentially a confession. I mean, how do you

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Speaker 2: get around you know, we know this. The ways to

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Speaker 2: get around a confession. You try to get excluded from evidence.

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Speaker 2: You try to say that there was coercion. But otherwise,

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Speaker 2: if you're on record saying you did it, it's kind

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Speaker 2: of hard to convince a jury that you didn't do it.

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Speaker 2: So I think that there really were no good options.

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Speaker 2: And I think that the defense that the Hunter lawyers

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Speaker 2: in court made, never mind the plea deal arrangement, was

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Speaker 2: to just put up odd defense in the hopes that

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Speaker 2: Clay would you brought up as a possibility would happen,

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Speaker 2: which is somebody in the jury just feels bad for him,

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Speaker 2: that did not happen. As we know they they probably

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Speaker 2: they found him guilty pretty quickly, pretty easily. But the

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Speaker 2: had brought this up before, Clay, how do they message

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Speaker 2: this again? Going to morning, Going to Morning, Joe, this

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Speaker 2: has cut six. He's saying that the Democrats should go

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Speaker 2: at Trump harder than ever on on the convicted felon line.

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Speaker 1: Let's listen to this for a second place.

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Speaker 5: If I'm Joe Biden, I'm on the debate stage with

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump, and he starts talking about Hunter Biden as

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Speaker 5: some sort of retort against his own thirty four felonies.

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Speaker 1: A stop a turn. I look around the stage. Excuse me,

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Speaker 1: hold on, I don't see Hunter Biden up here. Hold on, Donald,

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Speaker 1: let me check.

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Speaker 6: Maybe I don't see Eric over there. Wait wait, Eric's

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Speaker 6: not here. So I'm not running against Eric. I'm running

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Speaker 6: against you, Donald, and you're not running against Hunter Biden

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Speaker 6: or the ghost of Hudter Biden, who's not here. You're

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Speaker 6: running against me. Biden's people should double down right now

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Speaker 6: and go harder at Trump than ever before, on the

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Speaker 6: fact he's a convicted felon.

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Speaker 2: I think that this is excellent advice for Trump to win.

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Speaker 2: I think that going after Trump harder and harder on

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Speaker 2: this convicted felon thing is a total miss for the Democrats.

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Speaker 2: I think that they we had been saying for months, Clay,

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Speaker 2: could they really have misplayed or misunderstood the politics of

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Speaker 2: this that thoroughly? And I think the answer is yes.

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Speaker 2: I think quite clearly they have messed up. They have decided,

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Speaker 2: or they had decided, something would happen, and the opposite

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Speaker 2: has happened, which is if they bring absurd charges against

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump and can just call him a convicted felon.

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Speaker 2: It's a little bit like with the insurrectionist right. They

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Speaker 2: kept calling him an insurrectionist. I think that has faded

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Speaker 2: as well as people look up the definition of what

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Speaker 2: an insurrection is.

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Speaker 3: At some point, people make up their minds what they

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Speaker 3: think about somebody, for better or worse, Every single person

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Speaker 3: in America has made up their minds what they think

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Speaker 3: about Donald Trump. And so this idea that suddenly, when

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Speaker 3: you've called the guy hitler and when you have suggested

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Speaker 3: that he's going to overthrow democracy, there isn't anything else

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Speaker 3: you can throw at him. People know what they think,

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Speaker 3: and the only way you change people's opinions is if

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Speaker 3: what they think is different. For better or worse, people

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Speaker 3: were not real. Let me make an analogy here. Historically,

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Speaker 3: Buck and I haven't heard a lot of people say this.

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Speaker 7: A couple of regular guys, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.

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Speaker 3: Several stories still to hit. The Leah Thomas, that is

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Speaker 3: Georgia case. Nathan Wade did an interview with Caitlin Collins

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Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? This shouldn't be a

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Speaker 2: Right, so they're looking at this, they're gonna make a decision.

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Speaker 2: The reason they are freaked out is because due process

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Speaker 3: I don't remember the last time I saw somebody in

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Speaker 8: Did the romantic relationship between the two of you start?

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Speaker 2: needs to proceed to achieve. I mean, you and I

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Speaker 2: agree there have to be consequences on both sides, and

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Speaker 2: the legal system has to be a component of that.

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Speaker 2: But there is this desire to think on our side

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Speaker 2: to just be fair minded and decent people. And sometimes

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Speaker 2: that means that you look at a minor infraction of

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Speaker 2: law and you go, look, that's not really that big.

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Speaker 2: No no, no more benefit of the doubt, no more.

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Speaker 2: Oh they lied under oath, but they didn't mean it.

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Speaker 2: These it looks very likely that Fannie Willis committed perjury.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think, yes, that's very Unless you believe

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Speaker 2: that she was giving somebody money in cash to pay me.

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Speaker 2: The whole thing is absurd. Why would you give it

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Speaker 2: in cash. Wouldn't you want to be able to prove

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Speaker 2: that you paid the person back by the way, I mean,

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Speaker 2: there's no giving it in cash is just a dodge.

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Speaker 1: It's a lie.

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Speaker 2: So perjury should be punished, and she lied under oath,

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Speaker 2: So we shouldn't do this thing that I think on

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Speaker 2: the right we tend to do, which is like yeah,

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Speaker 2: but like it's not that big. Oh no, no, no no.

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Speaker 2: If Donald Trump can hit, you hit with thirty four felonies.

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Speaker 2: So this is where you and I do agree. If

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump can be hit with thirty four felonies for

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Speaker 2: a bookkeeping error, Fannie Willis can face the music on

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Speaker 2: lying under oath, even if it's about a personal or

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Speaker 2: romantic matter or whatever it may be. And I think

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Speaker 2: this is where the Appeals court looking at This is

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Speaker 2: a problem for them, you know, for Fannie, for Nathan Wade.

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Speaker 2: Beyond even just what this does to the timeline of

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Speaker 2: the prosecution. I think they may have some issues here,

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Speaker 2: I mean some certainly professional, if not criminal, justice issues.

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Speaker 1: She should be disbarred.

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Speaker 3: I mean, based on her testimony, she should face perjury charges,

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Speaker 3: and if she is convicted of perjury, she should certainly

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Speaker 3: be disbarred. She should not be able to remain DA.

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Speaker 3: I don't even think this is a difficult call. I

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Speaker 3: think the judge McAfee, if I'm getting his name right,

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Speaker 3: I think he recognized that, but he was worried about

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Speaker 3: his own re election, which is.

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Speaker 1: Its own story.

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Speaker 3: Judge is getting elected and attorney general is getting elected

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Speaker 3: to me is messy. I don't know that we've spent

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Speaker 3: very much time on it. But the idea that Alvin

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Speaker 3: Bragg can run for elective office in New York on

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Speaker 3: the idea of I'll get Trump get elected, that you

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Speaker 3: could pray the same thing for Letitia James or anybody

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Speaker 3: else that you could be running for reelection or election,

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Speaker 3: saying to the voters, Hey, if you elect me, I'll

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Speaker 3: go after this person politically that you don't like. How

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Speaker 3: is that remotely in the interest of justice to allow

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Speaker 3: that to occur. A lot of states for this reason,

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Speaker 3: buck actually have the governor appoint the attorney general instead

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Speaker 3: of the attorney general running for a statewide office.

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Speaker 1: We don't in our federal government.

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Speaker 3: We don't allow people to run for attorney general for

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Speaker 3: this reason, because if you're running for attorney general and

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Speaker 3: you say, hey, if you appoint me, if you elect me,

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Speaker 3: I'll put your chief political opponent in prison for the

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Speaker 3: rest of his life or her life. That might work politically,

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Speaker 3: but it's awful for the concept of justice. Now you

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Speaker 3: can still do that. Joe Biden basically put Mayor Garland,

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Speaker 3: who was his chosen an attacker in office. But at

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Speaker 3: least it's not somebody getting elected directly him or herself

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Speaker 3: saying I'm going to go after my political opponents, which

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Speaker 3: is how Alvin Bragg and Letitia James happened, and how

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Speaker 3: Fanny Willis happens.

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Speaker 1: She just got reelected.

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Speaker 2: Yeah again, the Democrat Party is abandoning all principle in

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Speaker 2: their politics here in the pursuit of power. And a

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Speaker 2: perfect example of it is everybody should just instinctually know

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Speaker 2: that a person running for office with the promise that

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Speaker 2: they are going to prosecute an individual who had never

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Speaker 2: been charged with any crime up to that point and

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Speaker 2: was in his seventies, Right, it's not like you've never

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Speaker 2: been charged in you're twenty two. That should just strike

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Speaker 2: everybody as not the country we live in, Like, that's

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Speaker 2: not America. And I think Democrats have crossed a lot

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Speaker 2: of those lines in their efforts to get Trump. Where

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Speaker 2: put aside even the legal and constitutional arguments which are

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Speaker 2: strong against what they are doing, I would even say

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Speaker 2: definitive against what they're doing, there are times where you

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00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 2: just see what they're up to and you say, that's

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00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 2: just not America, or rather, it's not the America that

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00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 2: I thought we were all trying to live in. They

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00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 2: want to live in some other place. They want some

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00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 2: other political reality to be the case here. And I mean,

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Speaker 2: and the most perfect example I can put forward of

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00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 2: how they do things versus we do things, and there's

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00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 2: tons of them, but you know, Donald Trump's DOJ did

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00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: not go after Hillary Clinton. And they absolutely Hillary Clinton

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00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 2: broke felony statutes under the Espionage Act one hundred percent,

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent. It's not like this is what I

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00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 2: mean Clay going after Hillary that I can see now, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, because what we do is we

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Speaker 2: don't even go after them when they break the law,

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Speaker 2: never mind bringing charges where we think, ah, but I

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Speaker 2: mean that's not really a crime, right, that's a huge

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Speaker 2: difference between our side and their side. We still hold

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Speaker 2: back out of a sense I think of just decency

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Speaker 2: and basic American camaraderie. And we're reaching a point now

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Speaker 2: and and I feel bad saying this. I don't like

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Speaker 2: saying this. We're reaching a point now where that you

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Speaker 2: almost feel like we're the chumps, you know, like we're

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Speaker 2: the ones who are getting laughed at because they're like,

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Speaker 2: that's not the America that we live in.

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Speaker 1: Well, it really.

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Speaker 2: Isn't, though, But to get it back, maybe we have

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Speaker 2: to roll up the sleeves and get a little get

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Speaker 2: a little nasty. And that means if you're the appeals

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Speaker 2: court judge in Georgia looking at whether Fannie Willis should

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Speaker 2: be on this trial, if it comes up as an issue,

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00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 2: I mean, did Fannie Willis line her oath? If she did,

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00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 2: she should be prosecuted for perjury. It shouldn't be ro

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00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 2: but she's too high profile of political See, this is

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Speaker 2: what I mean. Where have they abused power and broken

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00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 2: the law? Where have they actually violated statute? We go

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00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 2: after them. There no offens or butts, So I think

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00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 2: that has to be the way. Otherwise we just keep losing.

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00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 2: We just keep losing. While they're slapping us around. We're like,

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00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 2: stop slapping me, Like Brian Stelter, that's not gonna work, Brian,

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00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 2: it's not gonna.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, where you say the principle of this is so disappointing, Like,

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Speaker 3: I'm not even gonna respond. Eventually, if you get punched

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00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 3: in the face enough, you have to throw a punch back. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: we don't throw punches. I know, we send strongly worded letters.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you've seen, but if you checked

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Speaker 2: out the map of South Florida, the weather map recently,

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Speaker 2: it was like a biblical flood down here for a

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Speaker 2: couple of days. There are cars floating around. I have

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Speaker 2: a friend whose car got totally water logged in Fort Lauderdale.

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Speaker 2: People were that were towing emergencies. Oliver just sandus declared

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Speaker 2: a state of emergency. Now that's all very serious stuff.

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Speaker 2: I just bring it up because there's also the aftermath,

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Speaker 2: the cleanup. What do you think people's gutters are like

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump making his triumphant return, probably the best return

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Speaker 2: ever to Capitol Hill today. He met with House and

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Speaker 2: Senate Republicans. So this is the first time he has

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Speaker 2: been at our at the Capitol, I should say since

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Speaker 2: January sixth of twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: So there's some symbolism here.

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Speaker 2: Trump is meeting with, like I said, GOP legislators and

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Speaker 2: he a packed room of House Republicans saying happy birthday

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Speaker 2: to Trump in the private breakfast meeting at up Wait,

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Speaker 2: is it his birthday? This is from PBS. Is it

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Speaker 2: Trump's birthday today?

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Speaker 1: It's close to it.

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Speaker 3: I know because he said it at rally recently that

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Speaker 3: at some point you get to an age where you'd

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Speaker 3: prefer that they did it have to sing happy Oh

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Speaker 3: it's tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's tomorrow, So that that's close enough that they're

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Speaker 2: singing for I figured, happy birthday. That's frum probably the

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Speaker 2: best birthday here. He is speaking at the Capitol today.

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Speaker 2: This is cut twenty seven talking about the GOP.

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Speaker 9: We have great unity, we have great common sense, a

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Speaker 9: lot of very smart people in this room, and a

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Speaker 9: lot of people that love our country. They love our

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Speaker 9: country beyond just about all else, and the only thing

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Speaker 9: that maybe supersedes it is their family and maybe their

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Speaker 9: faith in certain instances. And that's very nice. But they

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Speaker 9: want this country to be great again, and we're going

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Speaker 9: to make it great again. And so I just want

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Speaker 9: to thank the Republican Senate, and I want to thank

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Speaker 9: also the House. We met, as you know, with the

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Speaker 9: full House Republican House today and we had a tremendous

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Speaker 9: meeting with them also, and there's great unity, very similar,

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Speaker 9: and there's one thing in common. We want to make

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Speaker 9: America great again. We want to make our country great again.

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Speaker 9: We're a nation that's in decline, nation where nation that

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Speaker 9: is being left at all over the world. We have

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Speaker 9: a leader that's being left at all over the world.

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Speaker 1: If he could make America great again, it would be

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Speaker 1: very nice.

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Speaker 3: I agree, it is pretty remarkable. I'm looking at the

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Speaker 3: latest numbers. Yesterday evening buck Pole came out of Maine,

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Speaker 3: which showed Trump is basically dead even in Maine. He

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Speaker 3: lost the state of Maine by nine points or so,

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Speaker 3: polls out from Virginia showing dead even he lost Virginia

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Speaker 3: by ten. Right now, there is not a single state

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Speaker 3: that Trump won in twenty twenty that Biden looks like

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Speaker 3: he's going to be able to flip in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: Closest one that Trump won is North Carolina. But Trump

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Speaker 3: has been up big in North Carolina throughout. So we're

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Speaker 3: fighting the battle on Biden terrain right now.

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Speaker 1: I'm got nervous about this ask, you know.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So you know when someone comes to me and

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Speaker 2: they say, hey, you know, will you uh? Are you

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Speaker 2: interested in investing in the following thing that I'm doing?

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Speaker 1: Right? Which happens to me a little bit these days,

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Speaker 1: probably happens to you a lot.

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Speaker 2: One of the things I always like to ask is

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Speaker 2: what are the things that could happen that make this

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Speaker 2: thing go bad? So it's that you and I have

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Speaker 2: to have the this didn't work, I lost all of

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Speaker 2: your money conversation. Yes, and I will never accept there's

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Speaker 2: nothing because of course there's something. Right of time, there

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Speaker 2: has to be otherwise there's no risk involved. So what

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Speaker 2: are the risks? Effectively? You tend to view the polling,

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Speaker 2: and I think just your mindset about things Trump related

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Speaker 2: at this point, you have optimism. I know you're not

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Speaker 2: to be fair to you because this is a criticism

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Speaker 2: of my wife. For me, I view all of life

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Speaker 2: in a very optimistic prism. So to your point, on investing,

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Speaker 2: on starting new companies, on all sorts of things, and

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Speaker 2: you experienced this with Crockett Coffee, like I don't. It's

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Speaker 2: not that I don't know that there are downsides, it's

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Speaker 2: just I think I work through them.

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Speaker 3: But I tend to be on the optimistic side of life.

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Speaker 3: So that's not just on the elections.

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Speaker 2: But yes, yes, no, So this is this is your way,

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Speaker 2: I think because the CIA got deep in my brain,

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Speaker 2: the CIA. You're basically just always figuring out like how

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Speaker 2: is this going to go totally foobar and be on

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Speaker 2: the fun page of the Washington Post?

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Speaker 1: Like that's that's the thinking of the seion.

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Speaker 3: This is my wife would say that I that she's

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Speaker 3: not pessimistic, that she's just realistic. And I'm always optimistic.

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Speaker 3: So we have this conversation regularly. So how do you

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Speaker 3: see things go bad and Biden wins?

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Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? Question? What's yes?

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Speaker 2: Because because right now, I can't trust that Trump is

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Speaker 2: winning in every swing state, and he's ahead even in

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Speaker 2: some previously uh sort of blue purple states and you

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Speaker 2: mentioned made I can't trust it because I don't want

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Speaker 2: to go through that. You know that, just kicking the

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Speaker 2: face of oh my gosh, we didn't see this coming

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Speaker 2: on election day. You got to be kidding me. What

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Speaker 2: worries you? What could change this around in your mind?

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Speaker 2: Since you tend to view this very optimistically.

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Speaker 3: What worries me is I think Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania

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Speaker 3: are all going to go the same way as they

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Speaker 3: did in twenty sixteen and as they did in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 3: and I think Biden could pull the sort of the

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Speaker 3: card that he needs. If you're a poker player, you

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Speaker 3: don't have a great hand and you're losing, but you

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Speaker 3: get the exact right hand. I think the math of

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Speaker 3: Biden winning two seventy to two sixty eight.

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Speaker 1: Is very real.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that would mean Trump flips Georgia, Trump flips Arizona,

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Speaker 3: and Trump flips Nevada, but he loses those big ten

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Speaker 3: states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Uh, and uh Wisconsin. If you

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Speaker 3: told me right now, Trump is going to win one

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Speaker 3: of those three states. If you guaranteed it to me,

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Speaker 3: I would say Trump is one hundred percent going to

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Speaker 3: be the next president of the United States. But if

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Speaker 3: you told me Biden is going to win Pennsylvania, I

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Speaker 3: would think to myself, Biden may get that narrow win

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Speaker 3: that he needs and he could be president two seventy

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Speaker 3: to two sixty eight. That's what worries me.

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Speaker 2: And let's be honest, it would be somewhat similar to

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Speaker 2: Trump Trump. Trump ran the obstacle course in twenty sixteen perfectly.

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Speaker 2: He didn't blow out Hillary, as we know in terms

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Speaker 2: of the I mean popular vote, that's not the contest

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Speaker 2: you run. But Hillary was millions ahead. But he ran

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Speaker 2: the obstacle course perfectly, right. He did exactly what he

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Speaker 2: needed to win that game. And you're what you're saying

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Speaker 2: is effectively Biden pulls the Trump right now, Trump is

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Speaker 2: the one his way ahead, but Biden might be able

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Speaker 2: to just squeak it out in just the states, all right.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I I co signed that. I do

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Speaker 2: think that that's the risk here as well, is that

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Speaker 2: all the noise and all the.

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Speaker 1: Debates and the trials and everything else.

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Speaker 2: Who has better ground game in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Democrats

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Speaker 2: are Republicans who micro targets, who early votes, who ballot harvest,

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Speaker 2: who does those things better in those places? Who plays

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Speaker 2: dirty tricks and runs just the most VS ads imaginable

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Speaker 2: in key markets at the last second. And we'll just

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Speaker 2: say anything. I think that that could be how this

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Speaker 2: goes bad for Trump.

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Speaker 3: That's why I loved having Senator Haggerty on yesterday because

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Speaker 3: and I think he said this on the air, but

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Speaker 3: he would not mind if I said it. As soon

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Speaker 3: as the results came in. On twenty twenty two, I

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Speaker 3: was on the phone with him. He is a data guy,

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Speaker 3: and he worked his ass off on twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 3: Senator Haggarty from Tennessee, traveling all over the country trying

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Speaker 3: to get a Senate majority, just fighting battles everywhere, and

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Speaker 3: he's you know, some people get upset. I like data

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Speaker 3: guys because they say okay, and gals, they say, okay,

742
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Speaker 3: we lost. What did we do wrong? What could we

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Speaker 3: do better? Instead of pouting, let's go into the data.

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Speaker 3: It's like, if you're a sports person, you'll lose a game,

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Speaker 3: you have to go back and look at the film.

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Speaker 1: What did we not execute on?

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Speaker 3: Don't focus on what people did to you as much

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Speaker 3: as focus on what you can control. That's the way

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Speaker 3: I try to try to live my life is, Hey,

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Speaker 3: what can I control? He went back and looked at

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Speaker 3: the data, and he said, they got a better mousetrap

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Speaker 3: than we do. They are better at delivering their voters.

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Speaker 3: So we can either sit around and complain, or we

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Speaker 3: can try to rebuild our game plan using what they did.

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Speaker 2: A perfect example of this. You know, Katie Hobbs versus

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Speaker 2: Carrie Lake for Governor of Arizona. Carrie Lake is I mean,

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Speaker 2: I know some.

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Speaker 3: People are telegenic, literally a television star in Arizona.

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Speaker 2: She has very very media savvy, gets a good presence

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Speaker 2: on TV, compelling speaker. You know, whether you like her

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Speaker 2: policies or not, just put aside. If we're just looking

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Speaker 2: at this like tail of the tape, like two Boxers,

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Speaker 2: it's got all this very telegenic media percent everything else.

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Speaker 2: Katie Hobbs, I can't even I don't even know what

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Speaker 2: she looks like now, like I have to sort of

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Speaker 2: think about it. I'm like, I think she kind of

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Speaker 2: wears glasses a little gray hair to her shoulders. I

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Speaker 2: don't even really know what she looks like because she

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Speaker 2: didn't care. She didn't show up the debate, she didn't

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Speaker 2: try to get on national TV. She just knew how

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Speaker 2: to get the votes she needed in Arizona to win,

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Speaker 2: and she knew it before she got them, that that's

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Speaker 2: what's gonna happen. She was like, yeah, I'm not even

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Speaker 2: worried about this, sorry, and ran almost like a campaign

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Speaker 2: on autopilot. And that's what you know. And now she's

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Speaker 2: a governor of Arizona. That is the Democrat way of

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Speaker 2: warfare and politics. Now it's not stirring speeches and great ideas.

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Speaker 2: It's community organizers mobilizing the street mob on the day

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Speaker 2: they need them, or in the weeks they need them

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Speaker 2: of early voting, to just squeak out the wins and

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Speaker 2: that's all they care about.

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Speaker 3: It's one of my favorite things in politics is applying

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Speaker 3: a analytics term from sports, really baseball win over replacement value.

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Speaker 3: And a lot of you guys out there in finance

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Speaker 3: know what I'm talking about because you try to analyze companies.

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Speaker 3: But basically the way to think about it is how

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Speaker 3: much is the best shortstop in Major League Baseball worth

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Speaker 3: to your team versus a generic average guy in that position.

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Speaker 3: And you can do it everywhere you sell cars. You

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Speaker 3: can be like, hey, what's the value of the best

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Speaker 3: car salesman on the lot compared to the average show

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Speaker 3: that you're going to plug into that spot. Democrats right

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Speaker 3: now in twenty twenty two, and I think in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty are better at voting for generic Democrat candidates than

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Speaker 3: Republicans are. And I'm not sure that's always historically been

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Speaker 3: the case. Like Katie Hobbs a perfect example of this

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Speaker 3: mousey and these are adjectives that.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to apply to her.

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Speaker 3: Not dynamic, not particularly skilled at driving interest, enthusiasm, or attention.

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Speaker 3: Generic d John Fetterman couldn't even speak. They built a

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Speaker 3: better mouse trap to get their voters out than Republicans have.

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Speaker 1: And this is one of the reasons why.

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Speaker 2: And I've seen this particularly with friends that you and

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Speaker 2: I know, Clay, who come from maybe a media background

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Speaker 2: of some sort, spent some time doing some Fox and

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Speaker 2: maybe have a podcast or whatever, and they get into

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Speaker 2: running in a congressional race, let's say, and you'rely, this

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Speaker 2: person smart and dynamic and and they lose to somebody

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Speaker 2: who you know, has all the charm of like Uncle

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Speaker 2: Fester from the Adams family or yeah, like wait what

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Speaker 2: that I don't even know who that Congress guy or

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Speaker 2: Congress gal is, and they lose by you know, fifteen

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Speaker 2: or twenty points.

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Speaker 1: You go, how did that happen?

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Speaker 2: Well, that person is a four or seven term or

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Speaker 2: whatever in machine politician.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: They know who's going to show up, they know how

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Speaker 2: to buy off the people that are gonna show up.

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Speaker 2: They know which unions they have to kiss up to

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Speaker 2: and give little goodies to, and they know who the

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Speaker 2: best person to run dishonest attack ads at the right

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Speaker 2: time is, and boom, that's how they win. It's not

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Speaker 2: they've got great ideas and are so inspiring, you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why it's frustrating, because the best person oftentimes

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Speaker 3: does not win.

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Speaker 1: It's the person who runs the best campaign. Yes, and

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Speaker 1: those are very different things. Yeah, absolutely absolutely the case.

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Speaker 2: So that's I think I think that's a learning point

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Speaker 2: or a a recognition that Trump has had something of

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Speaker 2: a eureka moment after twenty twenty. And I know, don't

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Speaker 2: you know, we all know about all the other stuff too,

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Speaker 7: get your podcasts.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in to Clay and Buck. One thing that

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Speaker 2: is certainly still in the mix and the conversation about

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Speaker 2: how things are gonna go in this election se Michael,

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Speaker 2: and just the trajectory the direction of the country right

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Speaker 2: now is this ongoing pro Palestinian pro Hamas.

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Speaker 1: Left wing.

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Speaker 2: Kind of mini riot situation, the protests, you know, doing

876
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Speaker 2: all kinds of crazy stuff. And the latest this happened

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Speaker 2: in New York City you had. And this is all

878
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Speaker 2: reported pretty extensively in the New York Post. The Brooklyn

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Speaker 2: Museum director and Jewish board members homes vandalized with anti

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Speaker 2: Semitic graffiti, calling her I thought this is so interesting

881
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Speaker 2: because it goes right to what we say, Clay they wrote,

882
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Speaker 2: and Pastor Nak they splattered blood all over her front

883
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Speaker 2: steps and you know, all over her house and Brooklyn

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Speaker 2: Museum white supremacist zionist. Notice notice that they say exactly

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Speaker 2: what we've told you has been at the heart of

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Speaker 2: this all along. The whole pro Hamas thing is for

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Speaker 2: the left, an extension of BLM, which is really racial Marxism.

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Speaker 2: They view Israel as a white supremacist power and as

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Speaker 2: this is as a racial conflict first and foremost. We've

890
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Speaker 2: said this, and now they're even writing things like white

891
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Speaker 2: supremacist Zionist. And you could try to sit down with

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Speaker 2: these idiot protesters and explain to them that there are

893
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Speaker 2: the Ashkenazi Jews, who are Jews of usually Eastern but

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Speaker 2: European origin. There are Sephardic Jews who are Spanish and

895
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Speaker 2: Mediterranean basin origin. There are Mizrahi Jews who are Jews

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Speaker 2: from the Mid East region. I mean there are Jews

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Speaker 2: that were expelled in the twentieth century from a whole

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Speaker 2: range of Muslim majority country who have come to Israel.

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Speaker 6: So there a lot.

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Speaker 2: And then there's Ethiopian Jews we've discussed before, definitely not white.

901
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Speaker 2: So they don't even care about all of those complexities.

902
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Speaker 2: They still view them clay as anyone who is associated

903
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Speaker 2: with I guess you could say the you know, the Jewish.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just Jewish museum. This isn't even

905
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Speaker 2: really political, right, But anyone who's a prominent Jewish American

906
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Speaker 2: who's supportive of Israel in this can be targeted as

907
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Speaker 2: being a white supremacist. I mean there are brothers, there

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Speaker 2: are red haired, blue eyed Palestinians. I've met them, I've

909
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Speaker 2: talked to them, I've been in the West Bank. Like,

910
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Speaker 2: this is a thing that exists too. But put that aside.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and this to me, we were talking about the

912
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Speaker 3: thing that makes me nervous. And as we sit here,

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Speaker 3: whatever it is four and a half months from the

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Speaker 3: actual election day, Trump has got a lot of routes

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Speaker 3: to potentially being elected president. He could pull off a

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Speaker 3: huge upset in Virginia Maine, New Hampshire, New Mexico, a

917
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Speaker 3: state like that, or New York or New Jersey certainly,

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Speaker 3: which would just slam the door. Biden has one route,

919
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Speaker 3: and right now, if you look at the map for him,

920
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Speaker 3: he's not gonna flip North Carolina, which was the closest

921
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Speaker 3: state that Trump won. Texas and Florida aren't in play.

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Speaker 3: Those are gonna be comfortable Trump wins. They have to

923
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Speaker 3: win in the Midwest, and if you look at everything

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Speaker 3: that Joe Biden is doing, it's basically a campaign to

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Speaker 3: make sure he wins Michigan. My concern is if you've

926
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Speaker 3: got a billion dollars, which is probably what Joe Biden's

927
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Speaker 3: gonna end up spend having to spend, and you only

928
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Speaker 3: have one way to win. They're gonna pump three hundred

929
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Speaker 3: million dollars into Michigan. They're gonna pump three hundred million

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Speaker 3: dollars into Pennsylvania, and they're gonna pump three hundred million

931
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Speaker 3: dollars into Wiscon And they're gonna find a way to

932
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Speaker 3: try to win those states and then they're gonna win. Unfortunately,

933
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Speaker 3: based on the polling data right now, those of you

934
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Speaker 3: listening to us in Nebraska, they're gonna win Omaha. It

935
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Speaker 3: appears as they did in twenty sixteen. And if that

936
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Speaker 3: math happens, Biden gets elected president to seventy to two

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Speaker 3: sixty eight, I think again, maybe it's gonna change. Maybe

938
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Speaker 3: some of the states are gonna be more receptive to

939
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Speaker 3: Biden four and a half months from now than they

940
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Speaker 3: are right now. I don't think so. Sometimes only having

941
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Speaker 3: one way to win makes it way easier to win,

942
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Speaker 3: because you just say, okay, this is like Trump right now.

943
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Speaker 3: They can be looking. They can say, hey, we can

944
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Speaker 3: make a run at Minnesota. We can make a run

945
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Speaker 3: at New Jersey, or we can make a run at

946
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Speaker 3: Virginia or Maine or New Hampshire. They can put a

947
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Speaker 3: lot of chips on the board and hope that some

948
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Speaker 3: of these pay off.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't have that option.

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Speaker 3: Right now, he's gonna spend a billion dollars on the

951
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Speaker 3: big ten states, And if you pay attention to the

952
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Speaker 3: way that he's addressing Israel and uh and and Palestine,

953
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Speaker 3: everything is about winning the state of Michigan. He's basically

954
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Speaker 3: running a governor's race. And I'm afraid that if they

955
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Speaker 3: pour enough money in there, they're gonna be able to

956
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Speaker 3: convince enough people that they can win a tiny race.

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Speaker 1: So you asked, I think it's a good question.

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Speaker 3: I think right now, sitting four and a half months out,

959
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Speaker 3: that's what the Biden team sees. They see the board,

960
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Speaker 3: they know the data, they're gonna lie. They're gonna say, oh,

961
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Speaker 3: we're gonna win North Carolina. We're gonna pay attention to

962
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Speaker 3: where they spend money. They're gonna spend three hundred million dollars. Yeah,

963
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Speaker 3: I bet in each of them watch their dollars. Is

964
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Speaker 3: a good way to approach this. Where are they buying ads? Now?

965
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Speaker 3: Now what and there's some positive and you look, you're

966
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Speaker 3: gonna make them have to spend money in Virginia, and

967
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Speaker 3: maybe you make them have to spend money in Minnesota

968
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Speaker 3: and states that should be comfortably in their camp. That's

969
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 3: money that you take away from them being able to

970
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 3: spend in the big ten. But I think they're going

971
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 3: to have enough money and that money is going to

972
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Speaker 3: pour into the big ten states. That's their pathway. So

973
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Speaker 3: we can sit here four and a half months out

974
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Speaker 3: and we can talk about a lot of different permutations,

975
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Speaker 3: a lot of different ways Trump could win a comfortable election.

976
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Speaker 3: Biden can't. He's going to have to win run the

977
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Speaker 3: table on those big ten states. And if you only

978
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Speaker 3: have one way to win, how nasty are you going

979
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Speaker 3: to be to try to get that done. I think

980
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Speaker 3: you're seeing it today in the way that they're responding

981
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Speaker 3: to what Trump said about Milwaukee. Trump said, Milwaukee's a

982
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 3: dangerous place to where the RNC is going to be

983
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 3: set up. We're going to be up there for a

984
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Speaker 3: full week, and they're trying to turn it into Trump

985
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 3: said Milwaukee is the worst city that's ever existed in

986
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 3: American history because it's a swinging state and a swing city.

987
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Speaker 1: Don't worry. I'll be there to protect Clay and keep

988
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Speaker 1: him out of trouble.

989
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 3: So I don't want to throw him under I don't

990
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 3: want to throw him under the bus. I would hate

991
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 3: to do that, but I'm definitely going to throw him

992
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Speaker 3: under the bus. Jesse Kelly, our friend, has been complaining

993
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Speaker 3: about the fact that I have us all in Milwaukee

994
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 3: for the whole week. Oh, Jesse's been saying, you, yeah.

995
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Speaker 3: I think we may have said this on the air before, so,

996
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 3: but but we may have to get him on to

997
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 3: defend uh to defend his attacks. I wanted us to

998
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:35,320
Speaker 3: be there in Milwaukee in the summer, beautiful city that

999
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 3: it is. We sold out the paps theater. I love

1000
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Speaker 3: is at Milwaukeeans. I love all of you Milwaukeeans. And

1001
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 3: if that's the wrong word, you got.

1002
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Speaker 2: To remember he's a Texan. So you might think, why

1003
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 2: would a Texan have anything against Milwaukee, But really I

1004
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 2: believe he's from Montana, and as we know, sometimes that

1005
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 2: kind of regional rivalry can do that.

1006
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Speaker 1: It's actually worse than that. He's an Ohio State fan.

1007
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 3: He hates people from Wisconsin because he's afraid that the

1008
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 3: Badgers every now and then are going to take down

1009
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Speaker 3: his Buckeye. So I hate to blast Jesse Kelly like this,

1010
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Speaker 3: but in addition to seventy five dollars shots, I'm a

1011
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 3: man of the people. I wanted to be there. I

1012
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:19,760
Speaker 3: wanted to be among you. Jesse Kelly turning up his nose,

1013
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 3: turning up his nose at the fine people of Milwaukee,

1014
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 3: especially Milwaukee in the summer. I'm not gonna lie.

1015
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Speaker 2: I don't want to be any all Right, we have to,

1016
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Speaker 2: you know what, We're gonna have to invite Jesse on

1017
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 2: tomorrow to answer these scurreless charges on the air clay.

1018
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 2: We cannot we cannot have you calling Jesse out throwing

1019
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 2: him under the bus. It's not easy because he's like

1020
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Speaker 2: nine feet tall, so you have to really push.

1021
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,439
Speaker 3: A real obstacle to the bus. We're throwing him under

1022
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 3: the bus. We're creating a major major is more damage

1023
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Speaker 3: to the bus than you do to him, no doubt.

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Speaker 3: I want to tell you, by the way, in addition

1025
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Speaker 3: to loving Milwaukee, I love these guys Tunnel the Towers.

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Speaker 1: They do incredible work.

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Speaker 3: Even though Frank Seller went on an out kicks shit

1028
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Speaker 3: recently and came after my golf game, deserved a tax

1029
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Speaker 3: on my golf game. One week from today, I'm playing

1030
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Speaker 3: in the live pro am, and I am not optimistic

1031
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Speaker 3: that I'm going to perform at a high level. Just

1032
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Speaker 3: say that if you're gonna be out there at the

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Speaker 3: live pro am, maybe taking a couple of steps back

1034
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Speaker 3: on my t shots. But I love everything that Frank

1035
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Speaker 3: Siller does. I'm gonna be up in October at his

1036
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Speaker 3: big golf charity event helping raise money. Buck and I

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Speaker 3: have both donated to this organization. It's fabulous. Tunnel the

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Speaker 3: Towers Foundation are honoring hero first responders and service members

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Speaker 3: who serve our communities and our country. Heroes like Buffalo

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Speaker 3: firefighter Jason Arnau and his family. Arnault was killed while

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Speaker 3: protecting his community battling warehouse fire. He left behind his

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Speaker 3: wife and young daughter in their absolute darkest hour. Tunnel

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Speaker 3: to Towers provided Arnaut's wife and daughter with a mortgage

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Speaker 3: free home. The foundation lifted a financial burden, enabling them

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Speaker 3: to stay in the home where they made memory.

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Speaker 1: With their father, with their dad, with their hero.

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Speaker 3: Join Tunnel to Towers on its mission to do good

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Speaker 3: and support the families of fallen first responders like Jason Arno,

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Speaker 3: gold Star families with young kids, severely injured service members,

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Speaker 3: homeless veterans. Join us in donating eleven dollars a month

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Speaker 3: at t twot dot org. That's t the number two

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Speaker 3: t dot org.

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Speaker 7: Peek out with the guys on the Sunday Hang with

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Speaker 7: Clay and Buck podcast, a new episode every Sunday. Find

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