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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This is episode number one eight

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Speaker 1: Taylor Show. We're joined by expert shed hunter and author

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Speaker 1: Joe shed And as you might have guessed, we're talking

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Speaker 1: shed hunting. All right, welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by sit Ka Gear. And today we

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Speaker 1: are talking shed hunting. And we're joined by the man

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Speaker 1: who literally wrote the book on hunting. And and I

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Speaker 1: kid you not, Dan, the guy's name is Joe Shed Right,

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Speaker 1: it almost sounds fake. Well what I what I wondered

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Speaker 1: is like, did he go out and change his name

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Speaker 1: because he wanted to be a shed hunting guy? Or

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Speaker 1: was it fate? Did fate destin him to write a

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Speaker 1: book on shed hunting. I don't know which it is,

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Speaker 1: but I don't know. But Joe's an average shed hunter.

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Speaker 1: Is he the first guy to ever go hunting? I

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Speaker 1: doubt that. I doubt that. You don't think so, But

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Speaker 1: you can ask him when we get him on Huh,

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Speaker 1: I'll let you ask that question. Okay, sounds good. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So Joe Joe is an avid, possibly the first shed hunter.

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Speaker 1: He's a past contributor to Deer and Deer Hunting magazine,

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Speaker 1: and like I said, he wrote the book on shed

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Speaker 1: hunting called Shed Hunting A Guy Defining White tailed Deer Antlers.

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Speaker 1: So in a few minutes here we're gonna get him

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Speaker 1: on the line and we're gonna go deep into everything

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Speaker 1: he knows about finding antlers. And I'm pretty pumped about that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about you, Dan, but this is that

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Speaker 1: time of year where you know, the shed itch is

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Speaker 1: uh needs to be scratched, right right, amen, Like I

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Speaker 1: need to just go for a long eight hour walk.

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Speaker 1: There's something I mean, A it's fun to actually be

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Speaker 1: out there looking for sheds. But then also, at least

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Speaker 1: for me, usually that's the first opportunity I get for

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Speaker 1: some serious outdoor time in like a month or so,

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Speaker 1: other than some little scouting trips and stuff. You know,

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Speaker 1: a good full day of shed hunting is just like

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Speaker 1: a little bit healing for the soul, right right right,

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Speaker 1: Just you know, beat cabin fever a little bit and

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Speaker 1: get out there. And um, I remember me and my

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Speaker 1: buddy Ryan. It was in two thousand and twelve. I

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Speaker 1: think we went out on a shed hunt. He had

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Speaker 1: a little girl at home and my wife was just

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Speaker 1: getting ready to uh um have our first child. And

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Speaker 1: we found a day that worked for both of us

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Speaker 1: and we went out and it was like ten degrees

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Speaker 1: that day in February and we still went out and

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Speaker 1: we still pounded the ground. You're doing, Yeah, no matter what?

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Speaker 1: So uh we uh we pound the ground, came away

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Speaker 1: with a couple of sheds, but most importantly, you know,

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Speaker 1: we got to go outside. Yeah, much needed at this

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Speaker 1: time of year. I'm definitely I've definitely had Kevin fever. Um,

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Speaker 1: have you got out walking at all yet? Come on, Mark,

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Speaker 1: what kind of what kind of questions that you're talking

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Speaker 1: to a guy who went hunting one time from November

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Speaker 1: three to January ten? I was trying to give you

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Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt. We don't do that next time? Alright,

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Speaker 1: my bad? What about this? Do you have a game

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Speaker 1: plan for when you will go out for the first time? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be. It's gonna be really soon. Um. One

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Speaker 1: of my farms really close to the house this weekend. Um,

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Speaker 1: I'm actually going to pick up my um pick up

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Speaker 1: my mount It's done. Yep, it's done already, yep. And um,

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Speaker 1: while I'm down in that neck of the woods, I'm

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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be talking to a new landowner to

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Speaker 1: and hopefully that might lead into the um the white

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Speaker 1: bow hunt. But the land next to it, it's kind

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Speaker 1: of some scrub ground. And you know, you know how

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Speaker 1: someday lead to hunting permission. Maybe. I mean, even if

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Speaker 1: Because it's it's a really really good way to at least,

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Speaker 1: and this is the time of year to do it.

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Speaker 1: So why why do you say that that you're not

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Speaker 1: Is there something like new information that it's getting to

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Speaker 1: And that kind of leads to, you know, the next step,

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Speaker 1: But she's got like five sisters or five siblings, and

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Speaker 1: just want the money and they're gonna sell it and

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Speaker 1: shouldn't say rich, but a farmer will come in and

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Speaker 1: then they'll cash rent that to the as well, and

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Speaker 1: then audios to me and the other guys that hunt

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Speaker 1: that that piece. Well, what you gotta do is you

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Speaker 1: gotta start saving your pennies, Dan, and then buy that

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Speaker 1: some of a gun. Yep, yep, abracadabra. Yeah, just easy

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Speaker 1: as that, right, Hey, I'm gonna give you fifteen dollars

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Speaker 1: be independently wealthy? Oh man, I'm trying. Uh maybe you

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Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt for right now? Like fifteen mill? Not

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Speaker 1: nearly as much as I wish I could. Not nearly enough,

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Speaker 1: that's for sure. Uh. Yeah, that's back to back to

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Speaker 1: say it's like a mind clens. Yeah, it's just good

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Speaker 1: going out and getting exhausted and then going home and crashing. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: little bit. But I don't know what you've seen, Dan,

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Speaker 1: I had a really cool experience this past weekend. We

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Speaker 1: had UM and and as you know, Dan, and I'm

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Speaker 1: sure a lot of people who have been following both

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Speaker 1: you or I on social media or really a lot

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Speaker 1: of people on social media, there's a lot of talk

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Speaker 1: recently about the public lands transfer movement, which we've talked

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Speaker 1: a lot about and how that's a really bad idea. UM. Well,

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Speaker 1: this past weekend, our Michigan chapter of back Country Hunters

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Speaker 1: and we had I don't know somewhe around maybe fifty

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Speaker 1: and talk about public lands and talk about what we

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Speaker 1: was a really really cool UM opportunity to get to

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Speaker 1: see people railing together like that. And uh, I really

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Speaker 1: enjoyed that. And I got to meet some wire hunt

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Speaker 1: listeners and followers, which was really cool. UM. Lots of people,

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Speaker 1: lots of people were wondering why you weren't there, Dan,

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Speaker 1: Why didn't Dan make the drive from Michigan to Michigan.

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Speaker 1: But it was cool. Um, So that was fun. And Um.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us. Joe, We're glad to be there.

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Speaker 1: that they all kind of look the same. They're probably

428
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,399
Speaker 1: from a you know, a two year old that I

429
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 1: probably couldn't tell you where where it's from unless it

430
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 1: has some noticeable characteristics to it, right, your typical generic

431
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 1: four point two year old, those do tender all mixed together. UM. So, Joe,

432
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 1: where all you shed hunter? Just if you hunted other

433
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 1: places other than your home state? Yeah. Um, I've done

434
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 1: quite a bit of traveling. UM. I had several years

435
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 1: there where I was just able to, um, you know,

436
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 1: be self employed to um have some a lot of

437
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 1: flexibility as far as travel went. In the spring. I

438
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 1: don't have that anymore, and I kind of missed that.

439
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 1: But um, mostly across the Midwest. UM. I've been to

440
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:22,919
Speaker 1: Saskatchewan a few times. I've been up in Alaska, UM rockies. UM.

441
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 1: I went on a deer hunts in Alabama once on

442
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 1: the company's dime, and I kind of got gar hold.

443
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 1: I was in a bad spot. I hadn't seen anything

444
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 1: bigger than the spike in three days. So the last

445
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 1: morning I climbed down early and poked around and I

446
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 1: managed to find a drop time and shed down in

447
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 1: Alabama's That was kind of cool. That's awesome. Where's your

448
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 1: favorite place to shed on? What's what's the best state?

449
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 1: You think? You know? I really don't know. There's so

450
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 1: many good areas. I mean, you look at you know,

451
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 1: areas like Iowa and Illinois are obviously famous. They have

452
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 1: a lot of deer and a lot of big antlers um.

453
00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 1: Saskatchewan is incredible as far as you know, just the

454
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: trophy class and the amount of antlers um. But to

455
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 1: be honest with you, the stuff I really like the

456
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 1: best is the stuff right around home, because you know,

457
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 1: those are the deer I know, and maybe I have

458
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: a history with. And you know, you gotta understand, I

459
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: go out of my own and my my own turf,

460
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 1: and if I find one shed a day, that's a

461
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: good day for me. Because the areas I live and

462
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: don't have exceptional deer numbers, they don't have exceptional trophy

463
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 1: um potential. But you know, it's a deer I'm familiar

464
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 1: with the dry hunt, and that kind of makes it

465
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 1: special to me. Yeah, so when it when it really

466
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 1: starts getting good, uh you know that late February early March,

467
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 1: where for me historically is when I have found the

468
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: most antlers. Are you pounding ground eight hours a day

469
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 1: or are you you know, poking in for a one

470
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 1: like a one or two hour walk here? You know,

471
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: next day you go out for a couple hours or

472
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 1: or do you hit it hard for like four weeks? Yes,

473
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 1: it it's kind depends on the situation. Back in the

474
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: day when I had a lot more free time, when

475
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: I didn't have a real job. Um, I'd got pretty

476
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: much every day and uh um, I looked in some

477
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,479
Speaker 1: urban areas where you know, the deer are very visible

478
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 1: and they're relatively tame. You know, they see people on

479
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 1: a daily basis or in city parks and stuff, and

480
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 1: and kind of the name of the game with that

481
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 1: was you got to be the first guy down the

482
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 1: trail and the day it drops and get lucky because

483
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: you know some of those areas I go in three

484
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 1: times a week and uh, just a small area that

485
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: you know, it took me a half harder cover, but

486
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: I just get burned. Out doing that over and over,

487
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: and you'd go in there and you can see the deer.

488
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of times they get pictures of

489
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: them or videos because they're they're relatively tolerant people, and

490
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 1: that stuff just burned me out. Um, what I really

491
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,120
Speaker 1: like to do when it's when it's a game on time,

492
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go all day every day. Um, you know,

493
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 1: I'm a weekend warrior again. But um, you know, we'll

494
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 1: do Buddy and I'll do trips, will go to Montana

495
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 1: for a week or Idaho or something and and found

496
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 1: it pretty hard. And that's always a lot of fun

497
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: when you do those western trips. Are you looking for

498
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 1: white tailing owns or elk and mule is up in

499
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 1: the a little farther up in the country, Well, it

500
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: depends where we go. Um out in Montana, Well, we'll

501
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: do the river bottoms in the eastern part of the

502
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: state and then it's you know, it's white tails down

503
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: the river bottoms. And then you kind of get up

504
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 1: in the foothills a little bit in just a little

505
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,959
Speaker 1: bit of elevation, you'll get in some mule deer. Um

506
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 1: we've gone higher elevation out and um Idaho where we're

507
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: you know, each day will start like maybe say, roughly

508
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: five thousand feet and will end up at eight thousand

509
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: and uh, then it's mule deer and elk and that's

510
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. But man, that's a that's a

511
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: pound there. I bet this is something I'm I'm particularly

512
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: intrigued with because I think I'm gonna try to do

513
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: some rocky mountain shed hunting for the first time this year.

514
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 1: Um is it? Is it at least on the White

515
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: Tail front when you're searching the river bottoms and stuff,

516
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 1: Is it dramatically different than shed hunting in the Midwest

517
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: or something? Or you just basically trying to find the

518
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: good in her food source and betting and walking those bottoms. Well,

519
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: you know, I've I've done the Montana river bottom thing

520
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: a couple of times, and um, you know, I don't

521
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: want to say it's easy, but I think it's kind

522
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: of easy compared to what I'm used to um out there.

523
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's so much wide open spaces. It's

524
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: you know, there's gonna be fields and stuff, but really

525
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: the only cover around is gonna be caught and with

526
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: down the river bottoms and it's pretty easy to figure

527
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: out where they're where they're spending their time. You know,

528
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 1: that's the only cover available, so that's where we shed hunts.

529
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: You just follow the river corridor, which makes it pretty easy.

530
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: I like the idea of easy shed hunting. I do too.

531
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: That sounds right up my alley. The problem is we

532
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: run into a lot of competition doing that too. You know,

533
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 1: we're not the only guys going out there. And we'll

534
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: talk to a rancher and he'll say, yeah, we had

535
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: you know, two groups come through here already. But you

536
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: know we still find sheds too, so not really interesting.

537
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,040
Speaker 1: So rewinding just a little bit, Um, how did a

538
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: book come to me? How do you end up getting

539
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 1: the idea and the desire to write a book on

540
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: shed hunting? Well, I guess it was kind of a

541
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: a long process. Um. You know, by trade, I'm a

542
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: outdoor writer. I worked for doing deer hunting magazines for

543
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 1: a few years and um that was my full time job,

544
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: and um, I was kind of immersed in everything. Dear

545
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: at that point, you're working on the magazine and you know,

546
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: I'm a writer, and uh, I kinda well, I really

547
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: got into shed hunting. You know when I really really

548
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: started getting into it was the early two thousand's. Um

549
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: I've tried, you know, back in the nineties and stuff,

550
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 1: and back in the good old days before everybody else

551
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: was doing it. I wish I could go back, But

552
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: um I started kicking around the idea. You know, it

553
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: was just a really starting game popularity in the early

554
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: two thousand's, and I'm like, you know, there's no book

555
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: on this, I should write a book. And uh I

556
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: kind of toyed with the idea for a while, and

557
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: I knew, you know, you started writing a book, you

558
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: start publicizing it, you're kind of cutting your own throat

559
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: because the next thing, you know, you're gonna find footprints

560
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,719
Speaker 1: where you'd like to shed hunting. And that really kind

561
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: of made me balk for a while. And I probably

562
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: sat on the idea for about a year, and uh

563
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: I finally got to the point where I kind of was,

564
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: you know, doing a pro and con thing and realized that,

565
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: you know, it's something I really enjoy it. And the

566
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: first thing that I like to do when I when

567
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: I find a good fishing spot or when I find

568
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: a good shuttingting spot, I always want to bring a friend.

569
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: You know, you know, not not something that's gonna you know,

570
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: mess me up and come back without me, but a

571
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: good friend and and share that experience. You gotta pick

572
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: and choose. I know I've been burned before, but uh,

573
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: you know, I come back there. It's it's more enjoyable

574
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: with a friend and or just to see the look

575
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: on somebody's face when they find the shedding. And uh,

576
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: I kind of realized as well. You know, I figured

577
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: if I didn't, somebody would at some point anyway. Um,

578
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: And looking back over the you know, the last decade

579
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: or so, there's just been it's just gained so much popularity.

580
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: You look at the Facebook pages, there's a bunch of

581
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: different Facebook pages dedicated to it that that weren't around

582
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 1: back in the day. And um, it's just it's on

583
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: some mainstream you know. Yeah, like you said, it's probably inevitable.

584
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: There's so much momentum building up, regardless of if you

585
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: put a book out or not. Probably, like you said,

586
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: someone would be putting out at that information. Um, but

587
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: do your friends ever give you crap? When you're good?

588
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: Shut outing spots get picked up by other people. Well,

589
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: you know, I know there's people that I'm sure wouldn't.

590
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: I wouldn't appreciate me publicizing the sport. But you know,

591
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: there's there's been so many people doing it over the

592
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: last few years, and it's it's really getting hard. I

593
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: got it. I have a couple of spots I will

594
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: not go to in the wintertime when there's snow on

595
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: the ground, because I won't really leave a track. And

596
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: you know, I've I've gotten burned a pull a couple

597
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: of people and brought them in there, and the next

598
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: thing you know, they're bringing their friends and without you.

599
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: And that kind of made me mad a little bit.

600
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: And you just gotta kind of pick and choose. And

601
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: I I tend to be willing to show people's stuff

602
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: if the're good friends of mine. But I got a

603
00:30:55,520 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 1: couple of spots I won't take anybody. I got a

604
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: question for you, now, I like to I'd like to

605
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: shed hunt a lot, but I I really only like

606
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: to shed hunt pieces of property where I can keep

607
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: the sheds now. I've been invited to several other farms

608
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: where the guys like, hey, um, you want to come

609
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: shed hunting with me? And uh, but but at the

610
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: end of the day, I'd like to have those sheds. Well.

611
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: For me, that just seems like a waste of time

612
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: because I feel that I have enough ground to pound

613
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: on my end, you know, two to uh, you know,

614
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: go and keep that sheds, which which kind of leads

615
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: me to this these set of rules that I was

616
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: taught by another group of guys that I used to

617
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: shed hunt, and and uh, Mark shed it hunted with

618
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: me before and so he kind of knows them. But

619
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: the rules are um Number one, if you find it,

620
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: you know, you get to keep it. Number two, if

621
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: let's say I find the first shed and Mark finds

622
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: the matching set, Mark gives up that that side so

623
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: the set can stay together. And then the other rule,

624
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: the very last rule is if somebody kills that deer.

625
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: So let's say Mark has the matching said or just

626
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: one of the antlers, and I killed the deer, he

627
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: gives them up, so the all the antlers are with,

628
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: you know, with the deer. Do you have any type

629
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: of unwritten rules that you live by when it comes

630
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: to shed hunting. I guess I don't, dan Um. That's

631
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: kind of what exactly what you said is basically kind

632
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: of the unwritten rule that I have heard and usually

633
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: go by um, I don't end up in that situation

634
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: a lot. Um. I have a good friend named dan

635
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: Hess who I said, hunt with him. I know that

636
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: we've found in the past one one of us will

637
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: find one antland the the guy to get the match,

638
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: and then we usually do give it up. Um. So

639
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: I think that what you said is pretty much right.

640
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: But you know, it depends on the given circumstances. And

641
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: you know, you start to get a really special shed,

642
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's a eighty or ninety and shed

643
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: it's it's awful hard for that second guy that to

644
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: give it up when you know it's a m the

645
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: first guy's got, especially if if they don't know each other.

646
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're helping a guy look specifically look

647
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: to match that deer up, that's one thing. But if

648
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: you just find it, you know, on your own, then

649
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: it's a little sticky, right. And I guess all those

650
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: rules are you know, addressed up front. When you know,

651
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: either I go hunting, you know, shed hunting with somebody,

652
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: or somebody comes shed hunting with me. Yeah, you know,

653
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: And I don't I don't ask people to to give

654
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: it up to me. It's their choice. It doesn't mean

655
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: that much unless I say, hey, we're specifically looking for

656
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: this dear. You know, if they find something else that

657
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: I have the match too and they want to keep it,

658
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: you know, I've I've got enough shot this maybe, but

659
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: you know, I just I feel bad about asking. You know.

660
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: It's like if if it was something where I said, hey,

661
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: I'm specifically looking for this deer, then it's kind of understood.

662
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: But otherwise, you know, I'm pretty leaning to me and

663
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 1: that I hate to take a shed from somebody. Yeah.

664
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: We we've actually started mixing that rule with some of

665
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: my buddies this past year. Um, just because especially if

666
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: you like, if you don't you know, like you said, Joe,

667
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: if it's a buck, you know, when you really want

668
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 1: to find those antlers, you know, we're all about giving

669
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: those antlers to that guy if it's his property or something.

670
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: But but otherwise, like I don't know, I get I know, Dan,

671
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: you're really big on the antlers should be together and

672
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: the match that belongs to match set. I get that,

673
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 1: and that's cool, But at the same time, I also know, like,

674
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: if it's random antlers and the only antler you find

675
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: one day or that day, if such and such fines

676
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: and antler. He's super pumped about it. And then a

677
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: minute later such and such finds that one antler and

678
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: that's the only anler he finds that day. And you

679
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: were both really pumped to find this antler, and then

680
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you have to give it up.

681
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like, at least for me now, I

682
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: think I've decided that, you know, unless it's like a deer,

683
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: I'm personally after If it's just just a random match,

684
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, just keep it um, because gosh,

685
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: you spend so much time out there walking and you

686
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: get that little burst of excitement. It's kind of a

687
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: major bummer to then take that little burst of excitement away.

688
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: But you know, to your point, I think it's just

689
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: a good idea to have that conversation up front and

690
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: make sure everyone's on the same page. And um, you know,

691
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: as long as there's not this like presumption and then

692
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: all of a sudden someone's got an antler in the

693
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: hand and you go walk up to and say, hey,

694
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: give it to me, that's when things get a little ugly.

695
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: So it's good to have those conversations earlier. Um, Joe,

696
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: I want to UM, take a step back again, and

697
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,720
Speaker 1: I'm curious, can you tell us a little bit about

698
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: the antler shedding process. UM, I know you mentioned that

699
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: in your book a little bit, and that's something we

700
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: haven't talked about before here. Can you just talk a

701
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: little bit about how that happens, when that happens, specifically,

702
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: like why that happens? Sure, UM, I did a lot

703
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: of research on that, you know, when I was writing

704
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: the book, and UM, basically kind of it comes down

705
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: to UM as Uh, the light levels decrease in the fall,

706
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 1: UM going into midwinter, bucks testosterone levels start to drop

707
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 1: and that's kind of what puts everything in motion. UM.

708
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: And those those testosterone levels dropped. UM, these cells called

709
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 1: osteo classics, you want to really get technical, start forming

710
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: at the base of the pedicle where the antler attaches

711
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: to the head. And what happens eventually, UM, they kind

712
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: of um devour that calcium that UM and the antlers

713
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: mostly made of calcium and phosphorus. And what happens is

714
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 1: the kelsium kind of starts to get reabsorbed into the skull.

715
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: And uh, so that's why you get why the base

716
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: of a shed is kind of rough. That sandpaper retexture,

717
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: that's little. They call them spicules of calcium getting pulled

718
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: back into the skull. And eventually, when the strands get

719
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: too weak, um, the antlers just drops off and is

720
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: there and sorry continue, Oh yeah, I was just gonna add.

721
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: You know, it's what's kind of baffling though. I mean,

722
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: you know, bucks can start dropping as late as or

723
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: as early as late November and as late as May. Um,

724
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: so it's a long drawn out process. Um. You know,

725
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: generally most bucks are gonna shay between probably December and March.

726
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: And it seems to be a seasonal or um an

727
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: area specific thing to some extent, some areas that drop

728
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: earlier than later. Um. But it's kind of baffling. You know,

729
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 1: if testosterone levels are the root cause that, why why

730
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: do some antlers drop you know, so early, and why

731
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: are some so so late? I mean, there's a lot

732
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: of mysteries we really don't know about it yet. And

733
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: are there any other like external factors I've I've heard

734
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: of some different external factors, but do you know of

735
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: any that can cause antlers to drop earlier or later? Um,

736
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: whether or health or anything like that that you've you've

737
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: seen a researched. Yeah, well, health definitely can play a

738
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: role to uh. A lot of times. I know, if

739
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: you know, if a buck is injured or you know,

740
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: gets shot or hit by a car or something. Um,

741
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: a lot of times those bucks will drop early. Um. Um.

742
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 1: You know, if he's if he's not getting enough food,

743
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: he might be a little bit stressed. Um. Whether people

744
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: always talk about whether stressing deer and and you know,

745
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: there's probably some truth to that, but we've seen some

746
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: awful severe winters where and it's prolong the low zero

747
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: temperatures and deep snow, and I'll still see dear carrying

748
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: in the march. So I'm not really sure about that.

749
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 1: And you know, the question as comes up to the

750
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: big bucks drop first a little bucks, and you know,

751
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: I think to some extent, maybe the big bucks do

752
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: drop first, But you know, there's so many exceptions that

753
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: you really can't get a hard and fast rule out

754
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: of any of it. Yeah, sorry, damn, where you say something. Yeah,

755
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: I talked to um one of my buddies who's a

756
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 1: deer farmer, Sam Clora, and he told me that I

757
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: think in February, I think it's February, he will feed,

758
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: you know, he has his deer and he feeds them

759
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: and then for I think he said this, don't quote me,

760
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: but come late February or early March, he will starve

761
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: them for like like remove food for I think four

762
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: or five days, and he's he says, without a doubt,

763
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 1: most of the antlers fall off in that time period

764
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: because of what I'm assuming is the stress from being hungry.

765
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: So I don't know if you know that's just repeated,

766
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: you know, basically regurgitated information. Um, don't quote me on that,

767
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: but I wonder how much winter stress is the actual

768
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: cause of the shedding process. It's a fascinating story. It's

769
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: you know, and I could see that being true. But yeah, um,

770
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: it's hard to say, but that it would certainly makes sense. Hmm. Yeah. Interesting. Um.

771
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: Another thing I saw you had written, Joe that related

772
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: to this issue of timing that was I found pretty

773
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: interesting is that you had mentioned that you've heard somewhere

774
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: or write something or something on the lines of that

775
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: many bucks tend to drop their anglers at the same

776
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: time of year every year, like within a few days.

777
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 1: Is that the case? Yeah, I ran across something in

778
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: the scientific research. Um, I was going through a lot

779
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 1: of scientific stuff when I wrote it, and uh, yeah,

780
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: there was you know cases where you know it's you know,

781
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: Penn DearS, so they could study them closely, and uh

782
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: it seemed to be pretty much, you know, basically the

783
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: same day that they would shed each year, you know,

784
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: within a few days. That yeah, that's that's there's all

785
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: these weird factors, like to your point, Dan, there there

786
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,919
Speaker 1: could be like this external stress factor, but then there's

787
00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: also like this what should be consistent to stosterone relationship

788
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: to daylight factor? And then there's also like is there

789
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: some kind of genetic factor because if there's like a

790
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: consistent unique date for an individual buck like man, I think,

791
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: like you said earlier, Joe, there's lots of mysteries here. Um,

792
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 1: And I guess that we all talk about. We always

793
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: talk about, you know, you know, an annual pattern for

794
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: dear movement. So one could assume that, you know, if

795
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: they're on a pattern like Okay, this buck leaves my

796
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: farm in September but comes back the last week of

797
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: October every year, I would I would think that shedding

798
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: could be part of that annual pattern as well. Yeah, sense, Yeah,

799
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: So with all this kind of um, with all these

800
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: questions around the timing of drop of antler drop? Do

801
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: you have a consistent date or time frame Joe, when

802
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: you think it is the best time to start shed

803
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: hunting or does it depend you know, based on some

804
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: of these different conditions for you when you start. Well,

805
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: for me, you know, I prefer to actually go after

806
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: the snow's melted. I just I like looking on the

807
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: bare ground better than in the snow. UM. So if

808
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,919
Speaker 1: I can't, I usually try to time it after after

809
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: the fact. Um. You know, I started chopping at the bit,

810
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: you know, I started kind of getting that edge to um.

811
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 1: Weather patterns take a difference to you know, we had

812
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,479
Speaker 1: a kind of a January thaw here where we lost

813
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of the snow that we did have,

814
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: and then we just got three inches of snow yesterday,

815
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: so that kind of affects things. Um. But you know,

816
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: usually I don't usually get out until you know, I

817
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: don't usually start hitting it pretty hard till March. And

818
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: that's just my personal preference. And you know, not that

819
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: there's not antlers to be thrown right now, and you

820
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 1: know some guys might prefer walking in the snow, you know,

821
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: if there's a lot of snow. They're either going to

822
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: be right on the trails or they're going to be

823
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: in a bed, or they might be out on the

824
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: field someplace. But it kind of narrows it down. I

825
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: find when I'm walking on snow, where I'm going down

826
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: a heavy deer trail, it's like you can really fly

827
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: because they're they're right there, you know there. You don't

828
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 1: have to be scanning so much to the side. You

829
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: know they're either gonna be right there or not. So,

830
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: you know, I guess it just kind of depends on

831
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: the individual and and what you're seeing in your area.

832
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: You know, I talked to people in different areas. You know,

833
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: some a guy told me in northern Illinois or northern Iowa,

834
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: you know, the deer already shed um early, you know, December.

835
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: Same thing out in Montana they dropped early. And then

836
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: I talked to some guys in different areas and everything's

837
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: holding tight until the end of February early March. So

838
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 1: you know, if if you're seeing bucks as you're driving

839
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: around or you got trail cam images, if they're still

840
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: holding I mean, it doesn't really pay to to get out.

841
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: You mentioned that you do some scouting What does that

842
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: entell like your pre shed hunting scouting. Is it just

843
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: doing a quick walk or is it glassing or what

844
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: are you doing there? And why? Well? UM, a lot

845
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: of times it's you know, I don't really do a

846
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: whole lot of scouting for deer anymore. UM. What I

847
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: would do is, you know, if the fields vailable, I

848
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: drive around the fields at night and and try to

849
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: see where the deer are, what they're doing. Um scouting

850
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: I was talking about. Um actually really gotten looking for

851
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: moose sheds in the last couple of years. It's kind

852
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: of really been where I've been putting my effort. And

853
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 1: I was out this weekend hiking around trying to just

854
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: figure out establish where they're at so that I can

855
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: come back in the spring. Because um, where I was looking,

856
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: the snow was beyond my knees. Um, so it's gonna

857
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 1: be pretty hard to find sheds that was on snow shoes.

858
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 1: I was able to stay on top of it. But

859
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: you know, moose drop earlier usually December, a lot of them,

860
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: and so most of those scheds are gonna be buried.

861
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: I didn't find any, so I just I said I

862
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: was scouting, But um, it helps you to have a

863
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 1: good starting point. You know, when in our area where

864
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: there is snow, you know whether those antlers are going

865
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: to be buried. You know, we can come in there

866
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: in the spring and then you'll have a good idea

867
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: where you should begin. Do you get a lot of

868
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:04,479
Speaker 1: roadent to so everybody wants to find the perfect shed.

869
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: You know it's hasn't been chewed on by mice or

870
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: squirrels or anything like that. Are you ever if you're

871
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: looking for a particular buck, are you ever worried about

872
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: like rodent rodents chewing on them? Or is that a

873
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 1: problem up there in Minnesota? Well, it's it's certainly not

874
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: a huge problem here compared to areas. I know areas

875
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 1: that have a lot of oak trees and a lot

876
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: of squirrels. Um, you know where they got gray squirrels

877
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: and fox squirrels. That's that's where you really get your damage,

878
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: I think. Um, so, if if you've got oak woods

879
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: on your property, you know you're gonna want to hit

880
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: those early and off. And and why I always tell people,

881
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: if if that's the situation, hit the oak woods repeatedly,

882
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 1: hit them early, and then the field you can you

883
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: can leave till later, because you know, nothing should bother

884
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: them out there. Um. Here we have red squirrels and

885
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: they do chew on antlers, but not really to the

886
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: extent that the fox squirrels and gray squirrels will. So

887
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 1: I do find choose, Um, I'll find naws on antlers

888
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: from kyotes or wolves. And uh I got one that

889
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: was just a beautiful shed a few years ago that

890
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: had like six inch mass measurements that was just chopped

891
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 1: and half by either a bear or wolf. That's all

892
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: I can figure it was. It wasn't shoot by a squirrel,

893
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: it was it was chomped. That's crazy. Um. This whole

894
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: issue of like when you get out there is always

895
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: one that I'm always struggling with because they feel like

896
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: it's a balancing act between you know, if you go

897
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: too late, you risk you know this thing we just

898
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: talked about. You know, you risk anilers getting chewed on,

899
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: or you risk other people getting out there and scooping

900
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: up the sheds first. But if you go too early,

901
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: you could be out there in the snow and have

902
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 1: buried sheds, or you could you know, if you go

903
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: on there too much, you could end up spooking bucks away.

904
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: From these areas and then you know they dropped the

905
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: antlers on your neighbor. Um, So that's always like this

906
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: weird balancing act I find myself trying to play. Is

907
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: like figure out when's like the best time where most

908
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: antlers are on the ground, but I'm not so late

909
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 1: that I'm going to be missing out on them. Um.

910
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: That seems to require a certain level of scouting, whether

911
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: it be the trail cameras or like you said, glass

912
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: and fields and st have to try to figure out

913
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: right when the buck you're after most of the bucks

914
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: are dropping. But like you said, it's always different. So

915
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: I don't I don't have a good answer for that either. Yeah, no,

916
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 1: you're exactly right. You know, people ask and they want

917
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,760
Speaker 1: to want you to point to a day on the calendar,

918
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: and you you kind of got to be like a politician.

919
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 1: You've gotta kind of give him a money answer because

920
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 1: there is no absolutely answer all those factors you mentioned.

921
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,240
Speaker 1: You know, um, is a public ground or private ground,

922
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: is there snows or not snow, or they're squirrels or

923
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: they're not squirrels, and at all kind of comes into play.

924
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: Have they dropped or are they still caring? You know,

925
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,919
Speaker 1: you gotta kind of weigh all those factors, like you said,

926
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: and to make your decision based on that. So for

927
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: someone who hasn't gone she hunting before, I don't know

928
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 1: if there's any of those types of people listening to

929
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: this podcast. But but if there is, if there is, Joe,

930
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: what kind of like equipment or things that they need

931
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: to think about bringing with them or thinking about before

932
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: going shed hunting? You know, do you have some basic

933
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: stuff that you always prepare before I shed on it? Well,

934
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: my friends, you know me, didn't know that. I'm notoriously

935
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: light time here. Um. I usually just go for a

936
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: walk with flips in my pocket, my cell phone and

937
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: that's about it. And about two hours into it, I'm

938
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: wishing I would have brought some food or something. Um,

939
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 1: you know, really just a good payer of hiking boots

940
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: is you know, all I really need? And then you

941
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: can go from there, you know, GPS or um? Are

942
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: you gonna need a backpack? Are you gonna find a

943
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 1: bunch of sheds? You know? Are you gonna need food

944
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: and water? Um? That's always usually a good thing to bring,

945
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: you know, depending on how long you're gonna be out there. Um,

946
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: But then it just depends on your situation, you know.

947
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 1: But ooculers canna be good if you're in uh say

948
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: your glass and out in a Sybian field or lf

949
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: delfa field or something like that. Um, if you're in

950
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: a wooded area where I do a lot of my

951
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: shed hunting, I never used my noculers or because it's

952
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: just they're not practical. Um, cameras, but everybody's got a

953
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: phone these days because everybody wants to take a picture

954
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: of the shed as they found it, which is cool. Um.

955
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: And then it just depends from there. You know, you

956
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,919
Speaker 1: might be riding an a TV across a Swabian field

957
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: or something, or it just kind of gets into a

958
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: specialized situations. But you really don't need a lot of gear,

959
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: but um, you may do with what you need. Yeah,

960
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: I'll add toilet paper. Yeah, forget that where you walk

961
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: out of the woods with one sleeve on your shop

962
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: exactly how would I forget that? Yeah? I forgot that

963
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 1: when we're talking. It means I forget it when we're

964
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: when I'm shut hunting too. Yeah, you never want to

965
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: be in that position, all right, So we're ready to

966
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: go shed hunting. We brought our TP and our boots. Um.

967
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: I'm curious, Joe, when you start out on a property,

968
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: do you have like a plan in place to attack

969
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: that property on that day? Like do you know, Okay,

970
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to a spot and be that spot

971
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: and see this spot or do you just start walking

972
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 1: Willie Neely? Like, what's your process of breaking down a property? Well,

973
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: you know some of that where you're scouting comes into play.

974
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 1: If you've been driving around and seeing deer at night

975
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: and fields or have trail camera picks, you know, you

976
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: kind of know where the deer are were wintering and uh,

977
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 1: you know that can change seasonally. They might be in

978
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: a different spot in in January than they were during

979
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: a hunting season. You need to remember that. Um. But

980
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: as far as that um, it comes down to one

981
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,919
Speaker 1: figuring out, you know, the productive ground and to trying

982
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: to eliminate the unproductive ground. Um. You know there's gonna

983
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 1: just be areas of of a property that aren't really

984
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,720
Speaker 1: gonna hold deer. Um. I always think about a spotlight

985
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: the shed hunt and there's a little ash forest in there,

986
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: and they just don't seem to spend any time in there.

987
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: And so if I can eliminate that ground. I can

988
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: kind of say, Okay, I'm gonna focus most of my

989
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: time on the more productive ground. Um, so I'll just

990
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: try to hit the you know, it depends on how

991
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: much time you have to who I mean, if I've

992
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: got all day to dedicate to it, you know, I

993
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: can take the liberty to you know, hit the best

994
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: spots first and then kind of just go down the

995
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: list from there. Becau if I've only got a couple

996
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: of hours, I'm going to try to go right to

997
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: the very best spot I've got and excellentze my time. Yeah, yeah,

998
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: definitely that That seems to be what a lot of

999
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 1: the best shut hunters I know do. It's it's really

1000
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: prioritize those best spots, spend the majority of your time there,

1001
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: and um, you know, if you can focus more time

1002
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: in the good spots, then you're definitely gonna have a

1003
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: higher percentage of success. But then that natural leads to

1004
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: the question of what are the best spots? So what

1005
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: do you view as as productive ground? What kind of

1006
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 1: things are you looking for? Well, you know, in the

1007
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 1: simplest terms, I mean, you are going to be either betting, feeding,

1008
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: or traveling between those two areas in the wintertime, so

1009
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: you can kind of narrow down to those three types

1010
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: of things. You know, it might be farm fields, it

1011
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: might be uh, haystacks. It could be you know, just

1012
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: um forest brows, could be the feeding areas, UM, betting areas. UM.

1013
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: It could be a good thick cover. It could be

1014
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 1: some conifers, you know, some pine trees or something that

1015
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: provides some shelter from the wind catches the snow holds

1016
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: it up in the branches. UM. But a lot of

1017
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,760
Speaker 1: people don't realize too, is that sometimes the best bedding

1018
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: cover is a lack of cover. UM. And that's where

1019
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 1: the south facing hillsides come into play. UM. That's always

1020
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: a really good spot to look for shed because that's

1021
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: the area that gets the most direct sunlight in the winter.

1022
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 1: And you'll find if if you're in a snowy region

1023
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: like I live, UM, the north slope will have a

1024
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: lot more snow than the south side because the sun's

1025
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: beaten down and melting it. And a deer is a

1026
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: lot like a cat. Like there's you know, like a

1027
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: cat sit in a window soaking up that sunlight. A

1028
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: deer is going to do the same thing. It's it's

1029
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 1: trying to survive. It's you know, it's trying to conserve

1030
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: body heat and and a lot of times little bet

1031
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 1: on that self slope and sometimes east slope as well,

1032
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: trying to take advantage of that morning sun too. Um.

1033
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,359
Speaker 1: So those are things that looked or I guess in general, um,

1034
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: you know good feeding, good food sources, um, south slope

1035
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: of hills. Um, you know betting areas that might be

1036
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,879
Speaker 1: you know, thick cover like pine trees like I said,

1037
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: or a thick brush. It just kinda depends you focus

1038
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: ever on, like fence crossings or creep crossings or I

1039
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 1: guess where do you typically find a majority of your sheds. Yeah,

1040
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:32,879
Speaker 1: well the fence and creek thing as you mentioned, I'm

1041
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: sure you know is um they're jumping that obstacle offense

1042
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: or the creek and and on impact they can lose

1043
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: on the antler um. And I have found sheds lane

1044
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: right and creeks before. Um. Everybody talks about the fence crossing.

1045
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: The actually only found very few sheds a fence crossings,

1046
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: but they do occur. Um. I guess I don't look

1047
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 1: a lot of along a lot of fence lines. Sorry,

1048
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: fence lines either. But you know, most of my sheds um,

1049
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 1: and it comes into areas I searched to where I live,

1050
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: we don't have agricultural fields, so everything is looking in

1051
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:09,919
Speaker 1: the forest. Um. So then you know your your food

1052
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 1: source really can be pretty much anywhere. It's not a

1053
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: really defined area. So as a shed hunter, I kind

1054
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: of I am a bed oriented UM person. I look

1055
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: for dear beds. I look for areas where they're you know,

1056
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 1: either defined bed in one particular spot or maybe like

1057
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 1: a ridge line where they're going to bed all along

1058
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: that ridge. That's kind of how I look. And I

1059
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 1: know I've shed hunter with other people and we have

1060
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:33,879
Speaker 1: we have different styles and it kind of comes down

1061
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: to what we're used to. Guys are more agricultural areas

1062
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: are going to be more likely to you know, look

1063
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 1: those field edges or whatever. And you know, you kind

1064
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 1: of start with what you know, but you should be

1065
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: willing to adapt to different situations as well, right, Yeah,

1066
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: speaking of like locations one um on the on the

1067
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: bedding area set of things, one kind of randomly popped

1068
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: in my head that UM and I gotta say, Joe, UM,

1069
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 1: taking a step back here, When I first got into

1070
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: shed hunting. Um, I don't know eight years ago or

1071
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: nine years ago or whatever it was. Now, Um, I

1072
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 1: did pick up your book and I read it and

1073
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: it definitely helped me. And I think I read this

1074
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: in your book originally, and now I've seen it play

1075
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: out in my own lifetime and time again. When you're

1076
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: on a hillside or in a forest or something and

1077
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 1: you have like an individual conifer tree, an evergreen tree

1078
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: by itself, I've seen so many times that those are

1079
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: the spots where a buckle bed and you find a

1080
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 1: shed there, you know, that little cedar tree or something

1081
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 1: by itself and some tall grass or something. I always

1082
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 1: zoom over to those locations if ever I see one,

1083
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 1: because that seems to be like one of those little

1084
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 1: wild card spots kind of where um, you know, it's

1085
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:41,879
Speaker 1: like the spot within the spot, like it's a betting area.

1086
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 1: But then that specific spot within the betting you tamp

1087
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 1: tends to be that isolated bedding tree or something. Um,

1088
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: do you find that kind of thing still too? Yeah?

1089
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: You you definitely nail it right on the head. Um.

1090
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 1: If I could pick out like my ideal spot to

1091
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 1: find a ship, it would be like a one lone conference.

1092
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: You know, hardwood forest on a south slope of a hill.

1093
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: You know it's and if you think about it, um,

1094
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 1: if you know trappers are really good at reading the landscape,

1095
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: you think about your own hunting situation. How many times

1096
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: have you've been walking through the woods where it's maybe

1097
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: hardwood or something. There's one big tall white pine in

1098
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: that hardwoods and I guess what somebody's gonna stand hanging

1099
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: in that tree. You know, it stands out. I mean

1100
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 1: people relate to it, animals relate to it. You know,

1101
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 1: you'll find bones underneath these trees where a fox or

1102
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,240
Speaker 1: a coyote is sat there and just chewed on a bone.

1103
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it's something that sticks out from the landscape.

1104
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 1: It's it's not just dear to pick up. But yeah,

1105
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. Those those bucks with a lot of

1106
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,439
Speaker 1: their way to better than the nast that lone tree

1107
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 1: or just a few scattered pines here and there in

1108
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,760
Speaker 1: an otherwise hardwood forest. Yeah. The issue of those spots

1109
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: is that they really stand out visually. So like when

1110
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 1: there's a group of like three or four of us

1111
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: walking through the woods, we all see that little cluster

1112
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 1: or seeds or something. You can tell, everyone's pace picks

1113
00:56:56,440 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: up and everyone wants to get there first. I wish

1114
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:06,800
Speaker 1: that that wasn't so well known now. But it's funny

1115
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 1: how so many times, like you can, at least obviously

1116
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: it's the the vast minority of the time, but lots

1117
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: of times you can call it. You can see these

1118
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: spots coming up and like, Okay, if we're going to

1119
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 1: find a shed on this property, it's probably going to

1120
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 1: be in this little patch or underneath these couple of

1121
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: trees or something. And so many times, I mean, it

1122
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: does happen. So it's it's interesting how these patterns emerged.

1123
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,439
Speaker 1: Like you said, it's just like understanding how deer relate

1124
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: to cover from hunting standpoint, they relate to these certain

1125
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 1: things and features, you know, when we're trying to look

1126
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: for the anglers, because it's it's just basically where do

1127
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: they bed, where they spending their time, because that's where

1128
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: they end up dropping these So it's interesting to see.

1129
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: You know, one thing too, one thing I was gonna

1130
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: say too, is like it kind of goes in uh

1131
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: in line with your deer hunting to um. You know,

1132
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: when I started deer hunting, you know, I learned what

1133
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 1: I could, and and I did what I you know,

1134
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: I just thought was natural and read books and magazines

1135
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: and watch shows and stuff. But you start shed hunting,

1136
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 1: and in order to be successful at shed hunting, it

1137
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: really forces you to understand how these deer relate to

1138
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 1: the landscape, how they travel, and why they travel where

1139
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: they're at. And uh, the more she hunting you do,

1140
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: the more you'll become a better deer hunter. And nowadays,

1141
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 1: you know, when I walk in the woods, I can

1142
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 1: just kind of look in some areas and and say

1143
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: they're going to be here, and they're not gonna be there,

1144
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 1: you know. And I can come in there in the

1145
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: springtime and I know that without seeing tracks in the

1146
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: snow or anything, because you just kind of develop a

1147
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 1: feel for it. I'm not saying I'm right all the time.

1148
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: I've certainly been wrong before, but you really develop a

1149
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: feel for how dear travel and it's really gonna benefit

1150
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: you during hunting season as well. Yeah, I was gonna

1151
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: ask how much you know, how much do you think

1152
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: shed hunting helps with your actual hunting. Is there anything

1153
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:52,919
Speaker 1: else that you pay attention to while you shed hunt

1154
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 1: that you try to apply back to the hunting season, Like,

1155
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: are you do you take let's say you find the

1156
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: antlers of a buck that you be interested and hunting

1157
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: the next year, do you take that into account the

1158
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 1: next year when hunting him. Do you think that's applicable

1159
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 1: at all or anything like that? Oh? Absolutely, you know,

1160
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: it depends on your area. UM where I live, a

1161
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 1: lot of the deer will will shift a round seasonally

1162
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: between fall and in winter, so they're not necessarily going

1163
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: to be in the same spot. But depending on your

1164
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:24,919
Speaker 1: dear graphic region, I mean absolutely it plays into account. Yeah,

1165
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: it's I think to your point, it just depends on

1166
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 1: if that dear behavior changes dramatically postseason or from the

1167
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: season to post season. But but yeah, I've seen some

1168
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 1: situations where you find sheds and you get a good

1169
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: idea of where they're spending their time in the late season,

1170
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: and you know, that's definitely applicable if you've got a

1171
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: hunting season that goes into late December early January. UM,

1172
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: that kind of thing so definitely helpful. When so we

1173
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: know to focus on these types of spots, you know,

1174
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: focus on the productive regions, betting areas, feeding areas, travel

1175
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 1: corridors between to UM. But when you're actually out there walking.

1176
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: What kind of advice do you have for people to

1177
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 1: actually help you see more sheds and actually spot more sheds,

1178
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 1: Because it's one thing to know where you should be looking,

1179
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 1: it's another thing to actually find them. How do you

1180
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: how do you get better at that? Okay, that's a

1181
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: good questions. Uh. Well, the first thing, and it sounds simple,

1182
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 1: but I always tell people to keep their eyes on

1183
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 1: the ground because the first couple of times that I

1184
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 1: go out for the year, I'll be seeing deer. You know,

1185
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:32,439
Speaker 1: I'll be I'll be in deer hunting moment. I'll be looking,

1186
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: you know, three ft off the ground trying to see

1187
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: a deer when I need to keep my eyes on

1188
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: the ground. And it's something you really have to consciously

1189
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: tell yourself. I'll go with a budding and he'll be like,

1190
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 1: did you see that rub? And I'll be like, what rubbed?

1191
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 1: Because I wasn't looking at you know. Um, it's not

1192
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: that extreme all the time. I mean, I certainly rubs

1193
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 1: and stuff, but you really need to be looking at

1194
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 1: the ground. Um, and that's where they're gonna be. Um.

1195
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 1: And it sounds simple, but until you you know what

1196
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 1: people always talk about throwing an antler out and and

1197
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 1: looking for or if you're with a buddy and he

1198
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 1: finds a shed, maybe he doesn't touch it, and you

1199
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 1: come and find it. And until you kind of get

1200
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:13,439
Speaker 1: in that situation, it's it's kind of like catching a fish.

1201
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 1: Until you feel that how a wal I bite, then

1202
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 1: you kind of understand it. And once you find that

1203
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 1: first shed, then something seemed to click, and all of

1204
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 1: a sudden, after that it becomes easier. You know, the

1205
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 1: same thing. The first set of the years, it always

1206
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,479
Speaker 1: seems to be hard because you're just not in that zone.

1207
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: And once once you see it, it clicks in your

1208
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 1: mind and then you start realizing he's like, okay, I'm

1209
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: looking for times sticking up out of the grass, and

1210
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 1: you know it might not be a whole antler, it

1211
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: might be something behind the log or bury in grass

1212
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 1: or something, and maybe just looking for a couple of

1213
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 1: inches of that time sticking out, and you start to

1214
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 1: kind of train your eye to see it and develop

1215
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 1: a feel for what you you should really be looking for.

1216
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 1: Do you other weather condition that you really like to

1217
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 1: hunt in? She hunting well, you know, but everybody else

1218
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 1: says the cloudy days are best because you're not squinting.

1219
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 1: And and after a rain, because the mats down the

1220
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 1: grass and the leaves and and uh makes a little

1221
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 1: bit of a shine on the amph. Everybody talks about that,

1222
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 1: but it is hard to look into a in the sunshine.

1223
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: You certainly want to keep your the sun at your

1224
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 1: back if you can. Um, I guess I I go

1225
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 1: whenever I can, But ideally, you know, a cloudy day

1226
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 1: after a rain would be the best conditions, alright, Joe,

1227
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 1: sunglasses or no sunglasses. I don't really wear sunglasses very

1228
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 1: often when I'm shed hunting. And it's just a totally

1229
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 1: matter of personal preference. You know, everybody's got their own, uh,

1230
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 1: you know, opinions of what's best for them. Um. And

1231
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 1: one thing about the sunglasses, when you're in a brush

1232
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 1: the area, it's probably not a bad idea to be

1233
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 1: wearing it, because I know I've had so many sticks

1234
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 1: jabbed in my face before that. You know, I'm just

1235
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 1: lucky that I hadn't poked my eye or something. But

1236
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 1: it's just all on personal preference. Yeah, I struggle with

1237
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 1: because I like on those bright days where you know

1238
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 1: you're squinting, your eyes hurt. I want to put sunglasses on.

1239
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 1: But I have this like voice in the back of

1240
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 1: my head that says, like something with like the lens

1241
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 1: is tinting your ability to see the sheds, They're not

1242
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 1: going to pop out to you as much. So I

1243
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 1: start wondering, like, am I hurting my ability to see

1244
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 1: these things? So I'm trying them on, trying them off,

1245
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 1: squinting not squinting, what's worse? Um, I find myself getting

1246
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 1: crazy sometimes. Well, you know you can find them whistlunglasses.

1247
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 1: You can find them without sunglasses. So I guess it's

1248
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 1: just whatever you like that maybe I should wear sunglasses.

1249
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 1: Then I just have something to blame for why I

1250
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 1: don't find sheds and I'll feel better about it. Are

1251
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 1: always good? Yeah? Um what about like do you do

1252
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 1: you have any like specific And I know this is

1253
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 1: going to depend on like the amount of cover or terrain,

1254
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 1: but like if you're walking up property by yourself, let's say,

1255
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 1: like how much what's the spacing? Like how many times

1256
01:03:58,440 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 1: do you need to walk through an area? Is like

1257
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 1: three ten yards? Is every fourty or fifty yards that

1258
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 1: you need a space to try to say like to

1259
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 1: know that you covered a spout well do you have

1260
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 1: any like generic typical gaps that you tend to walk

1261
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 1: in area to cover it? Well, I guess it really

1262
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 1: depends on you know that I feel like a broken record.

1263
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 1: It depends on so many things. You know, every situation depends. Um.

1264
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 1: You know, if you're walking out in a picked corn

1265
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 1: field or something like that, you might be taking a

1266
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 1: you know, just a few rows at the time, and

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01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 1: you know, the thicker the cover, the tight of the

1268
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 1: pass is. Um. You know, if I'm in the woods

1269
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 1: or something, or or walk on a ridge line, I'm

1270
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 1: probably just gonna walk that ridge line once, maybe maybe

1271
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:43,479
Speaker 1: a couple of times. I'll usually walk that south face

1272
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 1: and sometimes in the north face to um a little

1273
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 1: bit more towards the top. But yeah, it just depends

1274
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 1: on the cover, how thick it is. If if you're

1275
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 1: in oak woods, it's relatively open, you can you can

1276
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 1: see farther. And if you're in some some real tight brush,

1277
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 1: some dogwood or something like that, you're gonna need to

1278
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 1: make some tighter passes. So everything depends. Yeah, you know,

1279
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 1: very true. You know. Another thing I've I've sometimes done

1280
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 1: and heard other people suggest is trying to find like

1281
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 1: different perspectives, like even if you've walked through an area

1282
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 1: once and it seems like you saw everything, Like sometimes

1283
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 1: it's a good idea to stand on top of a

1284
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 1: stump or kneel down and look around. Do you ever

1285
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 1: do that kind of thing just to try to see

1286
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 1: things at a different angle or anything? Um? Yeah, you

1287
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 1: know a lot of guys talk about walking behind or

1288
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 1: looking behind him once in a while as well. And

1289
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 1: and sometimes you'll see a shed that you walk right

1290
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 1: by him. Maybe the sun was in your eyes, or

1291
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 1: there's a branch in your way or something that caused

1292
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 1: you to not be able to see it. Um. But

1293
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,959
Speaker 1: sometimes you know, I've certainly found sheds that I've walked

1294
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 1: within feet of and uh I came back you know,

1295
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 1: on another path through there, just you know, by a

1296
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 1: chance or whatever, and and hear that antler's lane right there?

1297
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 1: It was, you know it is maybe you know, behind

1298
01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 1: a fallen log or something like that. Um. Or maybe

1299
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 1: sometimes you just were looking left when you should have

1300
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 1: been looking right, you know. Um, that's another consideration. It's

1301
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 1: how fast you walk. Um. I was trying to not

1302
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:11,920
Speaker 1: walk faster than my eyes can see. You know, if

1303
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: you're sweeping back and forth left and right with your eyes.

1304
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 1: If you're looking left, you got to make sure that

1305
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 1: you're you're not walking so fast that you haven't had

1306
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 1: a time to bring that vision back to the right

1307
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 1: before you keep moving. And again, if it's real open terrain,

1308
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 1: you can walk a little faster, and if it's tight

1309
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 1: woods you cover, then you can need to walk a

1310
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 1: little slower. Yeah, that's a good point. Do you ever

1311
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 1: do you ever walk a whole property or whole section

1312
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 1: twice or like come back a week later, specifically because

1313
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 1: of this fact that you know you're inevitably probably going

1314
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 1: to miss some definitely, um you know, especially if you're

1315
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 1: really looking for a particular shed. Um you know, sometimes

1316
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 1: you just flat out and miss him, and and you'll

1317
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 1: find a shed that you know, we were within a

1318
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 1: few feet of it before and somehow you just missed it.

1319
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 1: Or I mean I've even you know, people, it sounds ridiculous,

1320
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 1: but I'm out there looking for sheds. I've stepped on

1321
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 1: shed that I've kicked sheds and you'd think you'd see it.

1322
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:14,040
Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, I'll definitely come back, especially if there's

1323
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 1: something I'm really looking for, um, you know, and like

1324
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 1: you were saying earlier. Sometimes it's a good idea to

1325
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 1: come from a different angle and see things from a

1326
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 1: different perspective too, so um, or you know, bring a

1327
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 1: buddy along and maybe they'll see something in a different

1328
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 1: way that you. You know, something that you missed. Yeah, yeah,

1329
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 1: very true. Well, Dan, what's the biggest Yeah, I got

1330
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 1: a question, what's the biggest shed you ever found? Well,

1331
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 1: you know, I haven't really found a whole lot of

1332
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 1: real big sheds, Delia. True. Um. Most of the bulkal

1333
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 1: of sheds I find are from you know, dealing box

1334
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 1: or two year old bucks, just because that's mostly what's around. Um.

1335
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 1: The biggest one I've ever got was a seventy eight

1336
01:07:57,080 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 1: in shed I've fallen up in sasketchwanted Danny Coban's um

1337
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:02,040
Speaker 1: and that's the one that time to cover my book,

1338
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:05,440
Speaker 1: And that was two thousand six and I haven't beaten it. Well,

1339
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 1: that's a heck of a shed. That's awesome. What's your

1340
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 1: book mine? I think I it's sitting right above me

1341
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 1: in my office. I can't remember if it's seventy seven

1342
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 1: or seventy four inches. It's a good shed. What was

1343
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:28,560
Speaker 1: that one you found on the proper the property that

1344
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 1: one day when we were hunting. Yeah, that's still my biggest.

1345
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:32,759
Speaker 1: I think that was sixty four and a half inches.

1346
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 1: Is that right? Sounds like it sounds like I think

1347
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:39,679
Speaker 1: that's what it was, right, So what we're gonna ask that? Dude?

1348
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:44,680
Speaker 1: Uh so that was your biggest? Now, how what's the

1349
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:49,400
Speaker 1: most you found in one day? The most I've ever

1350
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 1: found one day? It was twenty. The sad part is

1351
01:08:55,040 --> 01:09:01,720
Speaker 1: the guy was I've only had one day of shed

1352
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 1: hunting and it was a day I didn't bring a

1353
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 1: backpack where I had to leave a pile. I found eleven.

1354
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 1: I think that was my best day, and they nothing

1355
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 1: worth bragging about from a size standpoint, but I remember

1356
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 1: having to make a pile at a fence opening and

1357
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 1: then continue the walk and then hopefully uh all my

1358
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:26,640
Speaker 1: way back. I had to stop at the truck and

1359
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 1: then go all the way back because it was just

1360
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 1: kind of it was just awkward to carry them all.

1361
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 1: It's a good problem to have, I know, it wasn't. No,

1362
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I'd like have a heart attack. I

1363
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:40,639
Speaker 1: think if I ended a day with twenty sheds, that's insane.

1364
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:45,679
Speaker 1: Are you willing to share what state that was. Yeah,

1365
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:50,479
Speaker 1: that was that was a Saskatchewan. Yeah. The kicker was

1366
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:53,560
Speaker 1: that day. Um, I had found six all day and

1367
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 1: we were we just got into another area where the

1368
01:09:57,240 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 1: guy was with it sound some sheds. He said, let's

1369
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 1: go over there for the last last hour of the day.

1370
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 1: And I didn't have a backpacker. Only at the out

1371
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:06,680
Speaker 1: for an hour. I found fourteen in an hour I had.

1372
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 1: I had three mulder SAIDs that were actually off from

1373
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 1: the same buck. I had a set from the mule

1374
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 1: deer and then a previous side for that buck. And

1375
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:17,519
Speaker 1: he was about a seventy in you know, they were

1376
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 1: about seventy inch sides. And I had I had a

1377
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 1: spike shoved in my pocket. I had a couple of

1378
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 1: you know, reeling buck antlers in my pockets. I had

1379
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 1: browton you know antlers hanging from the brown tigns on

1380
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 1: my pockets and my belt loops and and uh and

1381
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:34,719
Speaker 1: I had them all carried in front of me because

1382
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:37,080
Speaker 1: I didn't have a backpack and there was a sight

1383
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:40,720
Speaker 1: to see it was. It was a fun hour. Have

1384
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 1: you hunted it? Shed hunted in Saskatchewan a lot. I've

1385
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 1: been up there three times, Um, I'm also done with

1386
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 1: Bentley Coben and uh, you know, it's it's amazing, like

1387
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 1: the the number of sheds and the trophy potentially you know,

1388
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 1: that's where the handsome buck came from. And um, it's

1389
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 1: just tremendous pencil up there for trophy size and numbers

1390
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 1: and uh, it's it's really something. Now I've heard this

1391
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:09,839
Speaker 1: from some of my buddies who are they they travel

1392
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 1: to go shed hunting, but they don't necessarily have the

1393
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 1: rodent problem up in certain parts of Canada, so they're

1394
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 1: they're not gonna get chewed on. And they were telling

1395
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 1: me that they went on like a four day shed

1396
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 1: hunt once and they stumbled across this old alf alpha

1397
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 1: field and they found I think it was like thirty

1398
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:42,719
Speaker 1: two sheds. Like no one had shed hunted this area

1399
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 1: for several several years, and they found like thirty two

1400
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:52,800
Speaker 1: sheds on this uh on on this one field, and

1401
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 1: they found multiple years of the same bucks. So I

1402
01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:00,880
Speaker 1: think they said they found three matching deer and then

1403
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 1: you know, you look at him, you see the characteristics,

1404
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:05,680
Speaker 1: and they believe that to be the same buck for

1405
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 1: three years in a row, all dropped in this field

1406
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 1: have you ever ran into a scenario like that. What

1407
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 1: did you say that still was? I think I think

1408
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 1: it what they think they said it was. It was

1409
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 1: either in Saskatchewana or Alberta. That's pretty awesome, really, um

1410
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 1: found Yeah, like I was saying earlier, when I found

1411
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 1: out at the big young their mats sets, um, they

1412
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 1: were tending to apart and the one side from the

1413
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 1: previous years a hundred yards away. UM. I found buddy

1414
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 1: of mine, Dan Hess, when you're out in Montana one year,

1415
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 1: he found three years in a row on the same

1416
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 1: three left sides in a row on the same walk,

1417
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:52,920
Speaker 1: all within like a hundred or two hundred yards. Um.

1418
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 1: I found uh, one bucket shed under the same tree,

1419
01:12:56,320 --> 01:13:00,599
Speaker 1: two years in a row, so it certainly had UM.

1420
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:03,760
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's commoner or not, but yeah,

1421
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 1: it certainly does happen. That would be pretty awesome to find.

1422
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 1: I n one last question about like the crazy things. UM,

1423
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 1: how how often have you let's say you scoured an

1424
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:22,560
Speaker 1: area right and you're like, okay, I've I'm sure I

1425
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 1: have found a shed, every shed off this property. It's

1426
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:29,840
Speaker 1: it's maybe March, even late March, and then the next

1427
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:36,840
Speaker 1: year you come back and you find a year old shed. Yeah,

1428
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 1: it definitely happens. Um sometimes it's it seems unbelievable that

1429
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 1: you could spend that much time looking and and not

1430
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 1: find them, but it certainly happens, and you know the

1431
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 1: saving graces. Following year, they start to bleach out in

1432
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 1: the sun a little bit, so they do get whiter

1433
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 1: and they do get a little bit easier to see.

1434
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 1: But it is amazing how how hard you can look

1435
01:13:57,200 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 1: when not find an antler. I hate that. It's like,

1436
01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 1: how how is this possible that we didn't find this handler?

1437
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 1: There's a there's a man. She hunning is like I

1438
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:11,280
Speaker 1: have a love hate relationship with it, Like there's so

1439
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 1: much exciting and awesome about it, but then there's so

1440
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:16,439
Speaker 1: many things that can be frustrating about it. And you're like,

1441
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:19,080
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I've walked for twenty hours, my feet

1442
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:21,719
Speaker 1: are bleeding. How come I haven't seen a single shed?

1443
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 1: And then my buddy who's like thirty yards away has

1444
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:25,720
Speaker 1: found like ten of them. Like I feel like it's

1445
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:27,680
Speaker 1: one of those weird things where even if you're doing

1446
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:30,800
Speaker 1: everything right, sometimes there's definitely a big piece of luck

1447
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 1: involved that it's sometimes gonna be going in your favor,

1448
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:38,439
Speaker 1: and sometimes it's just not gonna happen. Absolutely. You know,

1449
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 1: when I've gone out, you know with guys are good

1450
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 1: shed hunters, and you know a couple of guys will

1451
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:45,679
Speaker 1: have a really good day and one guy get skunked,

1452
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:47,760
Speaker 1: and I know that guy's a good shed hunter, and

1453
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:51,880
Speaker 1: sometimes that guys me. But yeah, there's definitely a luck factor.

1454
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 1: Yeah that's the truth. So Joe, we're wrapping up on

1455
01:14:56,360 --> 01:15:00,160
Speaker 1: time here. But if there's one single thing that want

1456
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:01,920
Speaker 1: to either add that we haven't talked about yet or

1457
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 1: that you want to reiterate for our listeners, like the

1458
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 1: single most important thing to help people find more sheds.

1459
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 1: What with that one thing you'd want to leave people with, Well,

1460
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:15,559
Speaker 1: I think you know, do some scoutings, find out where

1461
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:17,439
Speaker 1: the bucks are hanging and and make sure you're in

1462
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 1: an area with bucks. You know, if you're looking on

1463
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:23,439
Speaker 1: public ground, it's heavily hunted. It's it's an an uphill

1464
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 1: battle because there's just not going to be a lot

1465
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:26,800
Speaker 1: of bucks. And then when you get on that good

1466
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 1: piece of ground, look for those loan evergreen trees, look

1467
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 1: for south facing hillsides, and and that's a real good

1468
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:37,840
Speaker 1: start to find some sheds. I certainly agree. So if

1469
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 1: people want to pick up your book or learn more

1470
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:42,760
Speaker 1: about what you've got going on, is there anywhere they

1471
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:46,519
Speaker 1: can find that online? Yeah, they can go to my

1472
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 1: website go shud hunting dot com, or they can like

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Speaker 1: go shut hunting on Facebook. Perfect. We will make sure

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Speaker 1: to link that, and uh, I think on that note,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm about ready to go shed hunting myself. So

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Speaker 1: thank you Joe for taking this time with us and

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Speaker 1: sharing everything you've learned. Yeah, well, thanks for having me, guys,

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Speaker 1: and that will be it first today. Real quick though,

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Speaker 1: I want to give you all a little update. We

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Speaker 1: record this original interview a few days ago, but last night,

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Speaker 1: that bill we talked about in the beginning to sell

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Speaker 1: off three point three million acres of public lands, it

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Speaker 1: was taken out of consideration and killed. And it happened

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Speaker 1: because of you guys, hunters and anglers and climbers and

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Speaker 1: campers and all sorts of other outdoor enthusiasts. We all

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Speaker 1: rallied together on this one, and all those emails and

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Speaker 1: phone calls and social media posts, it all made a difference.

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Speaker 1: And I'm really encouraged by this. I think it's a

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Speaker 1: great example of what we can do in the outdoor

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Speaker 1: community when we come together and let our voice be

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Speaker 1: heard for the good of our wild life and our

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Speaker 1: wild places. But I also just want to remind you

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Speaker 1: too that this is just a small battle in a

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Speaker 1: much bigger war against our public lands. There are going

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Speaker 1: to be many, many more bills and proposals like this

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Speaker 1: coming down the pipeline, you know, as our current sitting

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Speaker 1: Congress has it in their public list of priorities to

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Speaker 1: sell off our public lands. So be sure to keep

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Speaker 1: your ear to the ground, and when you hear more

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Speaker 1: attempts like this, give them hell and let these politicians

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Speaker 1: know that public lands belong in public hands. And with

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Speaker 1: that we will now officially wrap it up by thinking

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Speaker 1: our partners to help keep this podcast on the air.

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Speaker 1: So thanks to sit Gear, Yetie Cooler's Ozonics, Breadnick Blinds,

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Speaker 1: may Haven Optics, White Tail, Institute of North America, Carbon Express,

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Speaker 1: and huntera Maps. And finally, thank you for being with

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Speaker 1: us today, Thanks for giving a damn about hunting and

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Speaker 1: our wild life and our wild places, and thank you

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Speaker 1: for staying wired to hunt