1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:03,279 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the best of The Doug Gottlieb 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: three to five Eastern twelve two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 1: Find your local station for The Doug Gottlieb Show at 5 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: boxsports Radio dot com, or stream us live every day 6 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app by searching f as R. 7 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 2: Hopefully the Thanksgiving hangover is mild, whether it be from 8 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 2: food or other vices. Welcome in. It's a Black Friday, 9 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 2: but there's no dark cloud here, Moncy. Four hours of fun. 10 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, boom, what up America. 11 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 2: It is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Monsey and I are 12 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 2: in for Doug today, who was just in for the 13 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 2: Herd and Colin Cowhard, but we're also going to be 14 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 2: in later on for Cavino and Rich. So it's four 15 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 2: hours of us talking a lot of football, some NBA 16 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 2: as well college variety of the pig skin. But we 17 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 2: start in the National Football League as the Eagles and 18 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 2: Bears are about to start in Philadelphia in their Black 19 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 2: Friday game. But I want to focus on what happened 20 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 2: yesterday because in the Thanksgiving affairs that we had in 21 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 2: Detroit in Dallas Arlington, to be specific, and in Baltimore, 22 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 2: the three favorites yesterday heading into the game. The Lions 23 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 2: were favored by two and a half over the Packers, Chiefs, 24 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 2: who were about a field goal favorite over the Cowboys, 25 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 2: and the Ravens a touchdown favorite over the Cincinnati Bengals. 26 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: All fell. They were all defeated by their underdog opponents. 27 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 2: And as I'm watching Joe Burrow return to the Cincinnati 28 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 2: Bengals and I'm watching the Ravens fall apart, I'm saying 29 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 2: to myself, this is a lot of what we saw 30 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 2: earlier today. These teams that we were accustomed to had 31 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 2: two years ago, Monzi, the Chiefs, Ravens, and Lions were 32 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 2: the three of the four best teams we had in 33 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 2: the National Football League, like truly, like the Lions we 34 00:01:58,320 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 2: know were a quarter all away from going to the 35 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 2: Super Bowl. We saw the Chiefs and Ravens play great games. 36 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 2: This is where we are in the NFL. And it 37 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 2: felt like yesterday and Week thirteen, before all of our 38 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 2: eyes on Thanksgiving Day, what's going to be the highest 39 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 2: rated games that we're gonna see all regular season. It 40 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 2: felt like it was a bit of a changing of 41 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 2: the guard. With those three. 42 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 4: Defeats, yesterday's games just proved what we have seen all season. 43 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 4: There is no dominant team, and the teams that we 44 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 4: expected to be dominant coming off of last season have 45 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 4: been underwhelming. 46 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 3: The teams that have surprised you, there's several. 47 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 4: Teams surprising us this season, and it's none of the 48 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 4: teams that we anticipated or expected. It's just this has 49 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 4: just been the season. I thought that that's what the 50 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 4: show key scene of it was. It's like, this is 51 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 4: that type of season. I really don't know who's who 52 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 4: anymore and who is going to come out on top. 53 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 2: I don't know who the dominant teams are. I don't either, 54 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 2: but I do know that it's definitely not these three teams. Yeah, yeah, 55 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 2: I know that for sure. And I don't know if 56 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 2: you have the same feeling that I did. But one 57 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 2: team stood out to me in being the biggest failure. 58 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 2: Did a team stand out to you yesterday? And it 59 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 2: kind of hits you to say, like, huh, okay, there's 60 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 2: something more to this. Did you have any of that? 61 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: Because I'm gonna make a case for one of the teams. 62 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 4: I think I felt that with all of them, but 63 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 4: there may be one that a little bit more. 64 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 2: You want to know what team I'm worried about the most? 65 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 3: What team were you worried about the Moe the Lions? 66 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 3: That's what I was going to say. Really, yes, I 67 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 3: didn't think you were going to pick the line. That's why. 68 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 2: What do you think I was going to say? 69 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 3: I thought you were going. 70 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 4: To say maybe the Chiefs, because the Chiefs, for so long, 71 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 4: their defense, you know, was so good, and right now 72 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 4: it's like their defense is not there, and that has 73 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 4: been the last couple of weeks. But to me, the 74 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 4: Lions are the ones where they're like, oh no, it 75 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 4: does seem like you are not at all what I 76 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 4: was expecting. It seems like the minute you rattle Jared 77 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 4: Goff just a little bit, he cannot do much. 78 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 3: If he is all the time in the world, he's great. 79 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 3: But the minute you rattle him, Jared Goff looks rough out. 80 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 2: There, and it's rougher without Amanas Saint Brown, of course, 81 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 2: who's got a low angle sprain. They play next week 82 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 2: on Thursday night against the Cowboys, so it's after that 83 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 2: that Amana Sam Brown's likely going to get his full rest. 84 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 2: Maybe he plays in Week fourteen. I'm not sure, but 85 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 2: when Dan Campbell gave the timetable out yesterday, it said 86 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 2: maybe one to two week injury, and that lends to 87 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 2: him maybe getting the extra time because they'll have exactly 88 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 2: one week before they play their next game, which again 89 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 2: is Thursday against the Cowboys. The reason I didn't pick 90 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 2: the Chiefs and the reason I didn't pick the Ravens 91 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 2: is because of their quarterbacks. Like I don't think Lamar 92 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 2: looks the same either. Are a couple of runs last 93 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 2: night that I thought, Okay, this is more of the 94 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 2: old Lamar. But I just don't think that he's fully 95 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 2: back from the hamstring injury. But I think he will 96 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 2: at some point, and it may be in twenty twenty six, 97 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 2: so I'm not worried about that. I'm not worried about 98 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes. Andy Reid's going to retire some day. I 99 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 2: don't think it's going to be after this season. I 100 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 2: think the Chiefs will figure something out that Travis Kelcey 101 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 2: obviously has a decision at the end of last year. 102 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 2: But when I look at the Lions and you mentioned, 103 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 2: like Jared Goff and we mentioned the lack of coordinators, 104 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,239 Speaker 2: I go back to the game that I mentioned earlier 105 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 2: of the Lions being about a quarter away from the 106 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 2: Super Bowl, and it's just very likely, Manci, that that 107 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 2: is as close as the Lions are going to get 108 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 2: with this version of the team. And this version of 109 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 2: the team is going to change at some point, just 110 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 2: like the version of the Chiefs changed, just like the 111 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 2: version of the Ravens will probably change. But the Ravens 112 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 2: in Chiefs have their quarterback, and it's not that Jared Goff. 113 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 2: This isn't a referendum on Jared Goff. I just think 114 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 2: that the Lions may have had their run. And it's 115 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 2: so surprising me because now you need Frank Reraig now 116 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,799 Speaker 2: to come out of retirement. I've loved their offensive line 117 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 2: more so than what Baltimore and Kansas City's at Kansas 118 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 2: City's got on the offensive line. Now they've got injuries 119 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 2: littered across the line. So it's probably not going to 120 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 2: be the year for the Chiefs. But I just look 121 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 2: at how close the Lions came a couple of years ago. 122 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 2: Their defense doesn't seem to be anywhere near anything to 123 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 2: stop anything. And if you're gonna put everything on the 124 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 2: shoulders of Jamier Gibbs. I mean even the what was 125 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 2: what was their nickname? I was gonna call him thunder 126 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 2: and Lightning, but it wasn't. Yes and knuckles. Is that 127 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 2: it does that sound right? 128 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:28,919 Speaker 4: Right? 129 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 2: Character? Yes? Okay, Yes, that's that's David Montgomery and Jamior Gibbs. 130 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 2: It's not the same. Like Gibbs is great, David Montgomery 131 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 2: doesn't seem to have the same effect that he's had previously. 132 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 2: So I'm just really worried about the Lions, and as 133 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 2: they've been a great story. They've been a team that 134 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 2: people have wanted to follow and wanted to cheer for 135 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 2: because of how bad they've been for so long. But 136 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 2: now when you lose both of your coordinators dead coaching jobs, 137 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 2: those coordinators take other coaches. Dan Campbell has got the 138 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 2: culture at some point. I I hope the message doesn't 139 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 2: ring hollow, But I'm more worried about the Lions than 140 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 2: I am the other two teams about bouncing back and 141 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 2: continuing success over the next couple of seasons. 142 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you said it right. 143 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 4: It's just last year we really saw the Lions have 144 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 4: this like step on your throat mentality, have this offense 145 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 4: that almost seemed unstoppable, and then this year everything is 146 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 4: just a little bit underwhelming. Now. 147 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 3: The losing your coordinators, of course that was a. 148 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 4: Big thing, but you also weren't gonna change the scheme 149 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 4: that much, you know, like Dan Campbell's been there, so 150 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 4: it's like you, why would you? Things were gonna You 151 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 4: were gonna stay on the same game, the game plan 152 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 4: that you had, and in a year where like there 153 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 4: is no dominant team, I really thought the Lions were 154 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 4: gonna look, at least offensively like the team we had 155 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 4: seen last year that just did not care if they 156 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 4: dropped seventy seventy on you, it didn't matter. 157 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 3: The more we score the better. They can't. They can't. 158 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 3: They don't look like that right now. 159 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 4: They don't look like that team and it's only one 160 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 4: year removed, which is crazy. 161 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 2: They went to Baltimore earlier this season and had a 162 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 2: big win when Lamar was healthy at that at that 163 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 2: point of the season, and then they ended up losing 164 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 2: to the Chiefs. The lost the home game to the Vikings, 165 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 2: and we saw what happened against the Eagles. I thought 166 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 2: yesterday's game was going to be that matchup where they 167 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 2: get revenge from the Week one game where they were 168 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 2: dominated by Green Bay and it just appeared to me 169 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 2: that now maybe they just don't have the horses to 170 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 2: do that, and that's what and it was. It was 171 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 2: a bit of a letdown because I didn't realize it 172 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 2: after the Lions lost to the Packers. It was more 173 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:40,599 Speaker 2: of taking the day in as a whole, like the 174 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 2: Ravens are going to have to make some changes and 175 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 2: Derek Henry's not going to be and Derek Henry actually 176 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 2: kind of still looks like Derrick Henry. Maybe not the 177 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 2: ninety yard touchdown breakthrough or stiff arming Josh Norman in 178 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 2: the next week. 179 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 3: Maybe you'd like of course he does. 180 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, absolutely absolutely, but I just wonder with the 181 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 2: line because I mean, it was such a good run. 182 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 2: And again, the Chiefs and Ravens have their quarterbacks and 183 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 2: it's not meant to disrespect Jared Goff, but I just 184 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 2: don't feel as comfortable with them moving forward. And it 185 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 2: didn't hit me until last night watching Lamar turn it 186 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 2: over a couple of times. He had the fumble where 187 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 2: he was trying to hold the football back and it's 188 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 2: just like, man, it's just not their night. It's just 189 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 2: not their season, and I think that's a reasonable excuse. 190 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 2: I don't think you can say that for the Lions. 191 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 2: I don't think you could say that, you know, it's 192 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 2: just not their year this year. I don't think so. 193 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,079 Speaker 2: I think that we're seeing a little bit of diminishing 194 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,959 Speaker 2: returns since that NFC Championship game two years ago. 195 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with you on that, because even with the Chiefs, 196 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 4: you're kind of just like, it may not be their year, 197 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 4: But that doesn't mean I'm ruling them out for next 198 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 4: year or the year after. 199 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. 200 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 4: It's like, if they don't sneak in, it's like they're 201 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 4: going to come back, and I would bet next year 202 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 4: that they do make the playoffs. With the same thing 203 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 4: with the Ravens. It's not they don't look good, but 204 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 4: they it's the Ravens are weird. It's like they started 205 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 4: with the bad defense, but their defense seems to have 206 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 4: gotten better. 207 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 3: But then Lamar. 208 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 4: Jackson got hurt, and I agree, he doesn't look like 209 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 4: he's one hundred percent at all. I sometimes wonder remember 210 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 4: when Jahn Morant stopped doing dunks because he was afraid 211 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 4: to get hurt. I'm wondering if Lamar is a little 212 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 4: bit afraid because he's a little banged up and so 213 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 4: he's holding back, just like Jahmran literally was like, I'm 214 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 4: not dunking anymore. I'm not doing this anymore when we 215 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 4: used to love seeing him do that. He looks like, 216 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 4: I don't know if it's the injuries or that he's 217 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 4: a little bit scared because he's banged up. 218 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 3: But he's holding back. 219 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 4: And it just made me think of Jahn Morant when 220 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 4: he said that that he was gonna not dunk anymore. 221 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 4: But with the Lions against a Packers team that I 222 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 4: don't that I haven't been impressed with this season for 223 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 4: you to at home not be able to look good. 224 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 3: Even the eye test with the Lions yesterday. 225 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 4: I know the score was thirty one to twenty four, 226 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 4: but the eye test for the Lions wasn't great yesterday. 227 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that you're gonna face it and 228 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 2: you may not believe in the Packers. I believe in 229 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 2: them more than maybe others do. Even the Packer fans, 230 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 2: and the Packer fans believe in the Packers. They just 231 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 2: don't believe in Matt Lafleur as their head coach think 232 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 2: that that's what's fair to say. I just don't think 233 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 2: that they can. They could navigate the NFC playoff picture 234 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 2: and beat teams that are better than they are, and 235 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,479 Speaker 2: I thought that that was kind of their hallmark previously 236 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 2: two years ago. Then last year, you know, they lose 237 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 2: to the Commanders in the divisional playoffs with home field, 238 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 2: and now this year, just to even get into the 239 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 2: postseason would be difficult. But I don't think the Lions 240 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 2: would do any damage. And you're right about the Lamar. 241 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 2: I thought there were a couple of runs last night 242 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 2: where Lamar did turn it on at the end, but 243 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 2: I don't think he did against the Jets on Sunday. 244 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 2: I thought there were a couple of runs where he 245 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 2: just wanted to ease up, And I think some of that, honestly, 246 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 2: is probably psychological. But it's also like, listen, we were 247 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 2: one and five, We're now in the thick of it. 248 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 2: If I risk anything or do anything here, it's all 249 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 2: for nought. 250 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 4: Right. 251 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 2: That may have come to backfire last night against the 252 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bengals, but I'm just not worried about I'm not 253 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 2: worried about the Ravens as a whole. I'm not worried 254 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,959 Speaker 2: about the Ravens organization over the next couple of years. 255 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 2: I'm not saying that there aren't gaps to fill with 256 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 2: Derrick Henry and pieces on the defense. It's just it 257 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 2: feels that the Lions to me, reached a point where 258 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 2: even a couple of years ago, it didn't matter who 259 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 2: they would play, they would play their style and if 260 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 2: they won, great, and they won a lot, and they 261 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 2: won a lot last year, and now they're not able 262 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 2: to do that this year, and it just felt it 263 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 2: felt different. And now tell me the Cowboys and Lions 264 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 2: play on Thursday to start Week fourteen. Yeah, who's the 265 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 2: hot team coming in right? 266 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:37,559 Speaker 4: Definitely the Cowboys one hundred percent, which is crazy. Yeah, 267 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 4: you know, last year with the Lions, it was like people, 268 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 4: the team's viewers me, I was like, man, the Lions 269 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 4: are a big threat because their defense is not maybe 270 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 4: they're going to shut you out, but it wasn't their defense. 271 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 4: It's just that their defense was good enough and their 272 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 4: offense was so good that you couldn't keep up offensively 273 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 4: with the Lions. 274 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 3: That's not this year at all. 275 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 2: Know, and the defense should aiden Hutchinson and get after 276 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 2: you with sacks and hopefully turnovers. And I mean they've 277 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 2: had injuries last year in the second area as well 278 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 2: and this year, but I just every team has injuries 279 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 2: every time, and it's just the Lions where I just 280 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 2: thought like, Wow, I wonder if that window was closing. 281 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 2: I remember with the Seahawks when they lost in the 282 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 2: Super Bowl forty nine to the Patriots, which we all 283 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 2: remember the interception at the one yard line. They had. 284 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 2: The whole next season was a malaise, like it really 285 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 2: just I think they were hungover from that, talking about 286 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 2: Thanksgiving hangovers. But it was then the next year where 287 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, now you weren't competing with the 288 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 2: better teams, Like they got ran off the field by 289 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,439 Speaker 2: the Atlanta Falcons in the playoffs, and the Falcons ended 290 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 2: up going to the Super Bowl that year, but they 291 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 2: were just they didn't have a chance, and all of 292 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 2: a sudden, now you're saying to yourself, wow, we've fallen behind, 293 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 2: Like we were the cream of the crop, we were 294 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 2: the best in the NFL, and now we're not even 295 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 2: better than the top teams in our conference. And I 296 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 2: felt like that's the feeling I got with the Lions 297 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 2: last night totally. 298 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Doug Gottlieb Show podcast. Be 299 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: sure to catch us live every weekday three to five 300 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: Eastern twelve two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your 301 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: local station for The Doug Gottlieb Show at Foxsports Radio 302 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 303 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching FSR. 304 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 3: Hey, this is Jason McIntyre. 305 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 5: Join me every weekday morning on my podcast, Straight Fire 306 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 5: with Jason McIntyre. This isn't your typical sports pod pushing 307 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 5: the same tired narratives down your throat every day. Straight 308 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 5: Fire gives you honest opinions on all the biggest sports headlines, 309 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 5: accurate stats to help you win big at the sportsbook, 310 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 5: and all the best guests. Do yourself a favor and 311 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 5: listen to Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre on the iHeartRadio app, 312 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 5: Apple Podcasts. 313 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 3: Or wherever you get your podcasts. 314 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 2: That would be too easy, just like playing Joe Burrow 315 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 2: last week for the Cincinnati Bengals, Because if you watched 316 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 2: last night, I a couple of times wondered on Quarterback 317 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 2: Sneaks how Joe Burrow was going to handle I want 318 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 2: I was going to do on the move. I wondered 319 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 2: I was going to do when he ran the football. 320 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 2: And there seemed to me no ill effects for Joe 321 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 2: Burrow in that win against the Ravens. Heck, he was 322 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 2: our tireract player of the day. Then why didn't he 323 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 2: play last week? 324 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 4: Are you saying this because I'm in the middle here 325 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 4: and I know that's not the answer you want. Are 326 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 4: you saying this though, because they won? Because I feel 327 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 4: like at the time this was the right decision. I 328 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 4: think the Bengals were like, I don't know if we 329 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 4: can beat the Patriots, why are we going to rush 330 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 4: you on a short week. Let's bring you back for 331 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 4: the divisional game? But then you see him and you're like, 332 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 4: it does seem like you could have maybe played, Mancy. 333 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 2: I don't mean to use your words against you. I'm 334 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 2: going to you just said that there's no great teams 335 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 2: in the NFL. I know, So why would you think 336 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 2: the Patriots are any different than the Ravens or any 337 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 2: other team, especially when you're at home? So if you 338 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 2: if that thinking doesn't fit for the Bengals to think 339 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 2: the Patriots were too tough of an opponent. 340 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 4: Yes, you are correct, I understand that, but still, just 341 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 4: the Patriots have won nine in a row. Nice. 342 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, that means they're due for loss, And. 343 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 4: You're right, but we knew that the Bengals defense can't 344 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 4: stop a nosebleed. So I think at the time, at 345 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 4: the time, it was the right choice. But maybe now 346 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 4: when they're looking at it, Oh, maybe you could have 347 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 4: won that game that you only lost by six. 348 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 2: The Bengals right now, their playoff chance, according to NFL 349 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 2: dot Com is two percent. Nice, they have a two percent. 350 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 3: So you're saying there's a chance. 351 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 2: But leading into the Patriots game, if they would have lost, 352 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 2: they would have had a less than one percent chance 353 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 2: of making the playoffs, and if they would have won 354 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 2: that game, it would have been one percent. So they 355 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 2: lost the game, so it was less than one so 356 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 2: it went from less than one to two percent. They 357 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 2: weren't entirely eliminated. There's still beyond the Dolphins of the 358 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 2: wild card. However, the reason Joe Burrow came back was 359 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 2: to hopefully win the division, and you have to beat 360 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 2: your division opponents. But if you don't have Joe Burrow 361 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 2: to beat the Patriots, which, by the way, in a 362 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 2: game that Joe Flacco threw a pick six, Joe Burrow 363 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 2: didn't turn the football over. So there's that is the 364 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 2: reason that you played Joe Burrow. If you get that win, 365 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 2: you're now five and seven with a win over the 366 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 2: Ravens in hand, You got the Bills coming up next week, 367 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 2: you have the Ravens again, there's an opportunity to knock 368 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 2: them off. You have a win over Pittsburgh earlier this season. 369 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 2: So when you're talking about division and tiebreakers, it was there. 370 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 2: It was the whole reason to get Joe Burrow back. 371 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 2: And Joe Burrow then this week says well, I'm gonna 372 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 2: play regardless if we're in it and if I'm healthy, Like, 373 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 2: that's my mindset to play. And now after one night 374 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 2: on a Thursday night where they go to Baltimore and win, 375 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 2: which maybe was the one that people thought that they 376 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 2: couldn't do, we're like, wow, look at this. And Joe 377 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 2: Burrow actually looked rusty last night. So now you're saying yourself, 378 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 2: what happens if he gets in rhythm. What happens is 379 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 2: the Bengals can win some more football games than actually 380 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 2: be in this which is the reason why he should 381 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 2: have played five days ago. 382 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 4: You know, Jamar Chase was like, Joe, you need to 383 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 4: play against the Ravens because you know how much I 384 00:17:58,440 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 4: like to go off against them. 385 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 3: Can't do it without. 386 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 2: You, Yeah, and without Tag and without te Higgins. 387 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 3: So I need you to play. Yeah. Again, I thought 388 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 3: it was the right move. But you're right. 389 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 4: If you're going to be aggressive, you might as well 390 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 4: be aggressive. Why were you not aggressive from the beginning? 391 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 4: Why are you we aggressive now? Which and I hear you, 392 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 4: but you know, Joe Burrow has been injured a lot 393 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 4: throughout his career. 394 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,360 Speaker 3: And so there's that It's that balance. 395 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,239 Speaker 4: Do we we have to be aggressive? But knowing that 396 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 4: he has been hurt, how aggressive can you be? Do 397 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 4: you want to be? 398 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 3: It's just a tough I don't know. 399 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 2: He has a turf had a turf toe injury, because 400 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 2: now it feels like it's in the rear view mirror. 401 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 2: That took him eight weeks to recover from to be 402 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 2: able to nine weeks when he was activated and then 403 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:47,880 Speaker 2: ultimately playing. He was injured in Week two, so we'll 404 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 2: give it ten eleven weeks to recover from. I'm just saying, 405 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 2: if Joe Burrow would have reaggravated the injury. He's not 406 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 2: going to play again this season, which then the Bengals like, 407 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 2: all right, our seasons kind of down the river. I 408 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 2: know you're paying them fifty five million dollars, but it's 409 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 2: also an injury. To my understanding, that wouldn't be something 410 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 2: considering he was able to come back from it a 411 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 2: month earlier than expected, that he'd be able to take 412 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 2: the offseason and be able to recover and be back 413 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 2: for twenty twenty six. I'm not saying that they're risking 414 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 2: Joe Burrow's feature by playing him last Sunday. But Joe 415 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 2: Burrow wasn't fifty percent last Sunday. Joe Burrow was probably 416 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 2: ninety five percent last Sunday. And so now he goes 417 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 2: and place Thursday night and doesn't look like there are 418 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 2: any ill effects whatsoever in a game where you didn't have, 419 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 2: by the way Jamar Chase because of the suspension that 420 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 2: he played, if the Bengals would have beaten New England, 421 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 2: and if there wouldn't have been a pick six by 422 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 2: Joe Flacco in that game, the plan for Cincinnati all along, 423 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 2: or their hopes all along, would be right at the 424 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,479 Speaker 2: footstep they'd be a game back right now of the 425 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 2: division lead, and then the thick of it with a 426 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 2: schedule that includes the Dolphins, Cardinals and ends with the 427 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 2: Rounds after that Bill's Ravens game. Those are winnable football games. 428 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 2: And so I just don't know why in a span 429 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 2: of five days, Joe Burrow looked like he had no 430 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 2: ill effects Thursday night, but wasn't good enough to play 431 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 2: in week twelve. 432 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, it seems like a missed opportunity for the Bengals, 433 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 4: and it's just it's just tough. 434 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 3: But I think you're right. 435 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 4: Why didn't Maybe he even should have played a little 436 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 4: bit against New England, maybe like not as a starter, 437 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 4: have yeah, have Flacco out there, but just to get 438 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 4: in a rhythm, because you're right, he didn't. 439 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 3: He wasn't bad, but he wasn't his normal self. 440 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 4: And you can see it's your first came back understandably, 441 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 4: so so yeah, why did you play a little bit? 442 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 2: Thank you? 443 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 3: Damn it? 444 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 2: Dan, You're right, they could have They could have this. This, 445 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 2: this would have made the AFC way more interesting. But 446 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 2: just last night he did not look like there were 447 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 2: any yeah, ill effects to one and he had been 448 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 2: practicing for the previous two weeks, and I understand that 449 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 2: this is this is kind of gravy because he thought 450 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 2: it was going to be mid December. But if he was, 451 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 2: this club sent a short week. How many guys do 452 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 2: How many times do guys miss a game on Sunday 453 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 2: and then are immediately ruled out so they can have 454 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 2: that extra rest the week after. That would have been 455 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 2: the play for me, Like I actually would have understood 456 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 2: it more Manzi if they didn't play Joe Burrow last night, 457 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 2: then I would say, like, Okay, now, I see why 458 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 2: you didn't playim in week twelve. You wanted that extra rest. 459 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 2: Maybe they don't beat the Ravens last night with Joe Flacco, 460 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 2: but that makes more sense to me seeing how good 461 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 2: he was last night. Now doesn't add up on why 462 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 2: he didn't play last Sunday, which really could have had 463 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 2: the Bengals in this playoff picture. 464 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, it could have been a missed opportunity. 465 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 2: They missed opportunityunity for sure. 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For the next three hours, 474 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 2: Mansos and I have got you covered, including the football 475 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,880 Speaker 2: action in the program game and in the college game. 476 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 2: People forget Monci. The last year, Georgia Tech had Georgia 477 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 2: on the ropes. I mean it was Georgia was out 478 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 2: of it, come back, got a huge win last year, 479 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 2: able to make the playoffs. Now they lost a notre 480 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 2: name in the quarterfinals, but Georgia Tech had them on 481 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 2: the ropes. They're playing again right now and Georgia Tech 482 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 2: just forced to turnover, so they'll have the football in 483 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 2: Bulldog's territory coming up here in just a little bit. 484 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 2: That in addition to the Bears Eagles game that we are. 485 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 4: Watching, you're more in tune with all the things going 486 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 4: on in college football. 487 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 3: Specifically the playoff picture. 488 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 4: Georgia Tech, if they happen to pull this off, do 489 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 4: they get into the playoff picture. 490 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 2: Well, it was going to be difficult because of the 491 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 2: ACC Championship game, right now that if this is a 492 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,479 Speaker 2: non conference game, they have two conference losses, they have 493 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 2: three teams ahead of them, three schools ahead of them. 494 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 2: With one loss, they would need a lot of help 495 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 2: to get in, and a win here probably doesn't move 496 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 2: them up in the rankings high enough where they need 497 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 2: to be, but it could maybe make people pay attention. 498 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 3: More and if others lose, maybe yes, it can help. 499 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 2: I think it's kind of a long shot. You know, 500 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 2: if we were have talked a couple of weeks ago 501 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 2: before they lost to Pitt like they did, then there's 502 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 2: a whole different conversation about Georgia Tech. But I think 503 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 2: it's more about the Virginia, excuse me, the Georgia aspect 504 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 2: of this. Where Georgia you've got the SEC championship game 505 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 2: on the horizon. Ole Miss wins today, there's a lot 506 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 2: at stake first round by and the whole deal. And 507 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 2: if you don't win today, now there's going to be 508 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 2: a lot of confluence of events that the committee is 509 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 2: going to have to sortow fun we shall see. I'm 510 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 2: trying to do it in the most succinct way possible 511 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 2: because it's easier. Like when Auburn and Alabama play. It's 512 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 2: a little bit because it's a conference game and it 513 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 2: sorts itself out. However, in a non conference situation where 514 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 2: all of George's SEC games are are in the barn, 515 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 2: and it just makes it a little bit more tricky. 516 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 2: So anyway, she is Manti Belanios. I'm Dan Byer speaking 517 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,959 Speaker 2: of the college game. Before we get to the Dallas Cowboys. 518 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 2: Isaac made mention that Lan Kiffin spoke after their Egg 519 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 2: Bowl win against Mississippi State with ABC. This is what 520 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 2: the old miss coach had to say after the contest today. 521 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 3: Man, the soo liar that is that. 522 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 2: Sounds like someone who's one step out the door. 523 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 4: Absolutely, you're gonna make this important. 524 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 3: Decision in a matter of hours. You're gonna go home 525 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 3: and think about it. 526 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 2: That's yeah, that's a lie. That that portion is a lie, 527 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 2: the the facade of thinking that you have not thought 528 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 2: about the job and your whole sole focus has been 529 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 2: on the Egg Bowl when you your family is toured 530 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,439 Speaker 2: Gainesville and Baton Rouge, when all of that has happened. 531 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 2: When the statement was released that there will be an 532 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 2: announcement on Saturday, You're not making a twenty four hour window. 533 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 2: No one believes that. 534 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 3: No, not at all. 535 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm glad your team won, but this whole 536 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,959 Speaker 4: thing has been handled. I know that the calendar it 537 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 4: forces a hand like this, but it's been handled. 538 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 3: Not well, and I don't know how to fix it. 539 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 4: But I would. I would be so annoyed if I 540 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 4: was a rebel playing for this guy, you. 541 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 2: Would be annoyed. 542 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 3: I would be annoyed, really. 543 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 2: Like as so a football player, you would be annoyed 544 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 2: with my. 545 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 4: Coach entertaining this idea when we're having such a successful 546 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 4: season that you want to leave. 547 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:52,719 Speaker 2: I understand that, but I don't. I I get that 548 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 2: portion of it. I didn't believe Lin Kiffin when he 549 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 2: said earlier in the week that guys players are different, 550 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 2: players are kids different now, But I think that I 551 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 2: think that the players. I think that you have to 552 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 2: have an understanding of who you are and where you 553 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 2: are and what is happening now. Ole miss can say 554 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 2: right now, we're better than LSU. We're better than LSU. Look, 555 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 2: we won more games. We're a better team. Like we are, 556 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 2: we are better than LSU. Is it a better program 557 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 2: than LSU? Is it a better job than LSU? Those 558 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 2: are the decisions that lank Kiffin is making like this 559 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five version of ole Miss is no doubt 560 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 2: better than LSU. But is Lane Kiffen going to have 561 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 2: another year like this for ole Miss? Is this the 562 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 2: start of something big? I don't know if it is, 563 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 2: and I think that he doesn't know if it is, 564 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 2: and which is the reason why he's entertained these other spots. 565 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 2: If you thought that ole Miss was a sleeping giant 566 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 2: that was about to become in Alabama, Georgia or LSU 567 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 2: or even what Florida was, then you're not entertaining these calls. 568 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 2: And I don't think that Lane Kiffen leaves that that 569 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 2: is the case. But if I'm a player right now, yeah, 570 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 2: like I, it may stink, but you kind of have 571 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 2: to understand where he's he's coming from. I wish he 572 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 2: would stay. I do, but it's I I in Monty. 573 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 2: You caught me in a spot where I had rose 574 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 2: colored glasses on a week ago because I thought that 575 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 2: there would be a way for Lane Kiffin to take 576 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 2: another job and coach ole Miss through the playoffs, and 577 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 2: it's that's not feasible. But it's not feasible. I didn't 578 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 2: think because of the players. The reason that I thought 579 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 2: that was a good idea was because of the players. 580 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 2: So that's why, like I'm caught in this spot is 581 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 2: I just don't think that the thousands and thousands of 582 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 2: Ole Miss fans that would be traveling and the boosters 583 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 2: there would like it that Lane Kiffin was about to leave. 584 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 2: I don't think that administrators would like that he would 585 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 2: still be coaching Ole Miss when he's about to be 586 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 2: the next head coach at LSU. I don't think LSU 587 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 2: would like it now as I thought about it, But 588 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 2: I didn't think it was about the players, so that 589 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 2: that's the whole reason that I thought that. But I 590 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 2: think that the reason now and why you caught me 591 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 2: is I still think that the players may understand. And 592 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,120 Speaker 2: it's not that the players also have the option to leave, 593 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 2: because not every player does. But I just think that 594 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 2: they're more rational in what this than someone who bleeds 595 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 2: Ole Miss, Rebel, blue and red. 596 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 4: And maybe you're right, and you know, maybe he has 597 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 4: been more upfront with his players than we know of, 598 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 4: and he has been fully transparent, and so maybe they're 599 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 4: not feeling like this. But the picture from the outside 600 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 4: looking in, it just seems like you're messing with my emotions. 601 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 4: If I am a student at ole miss or a player, 602 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 4: you're messing with my emotions at this point. Maybe he 603 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 4: has been transparent with them, right, and this is just 604 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 4: for us on the outside looking in to see it 605 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 4: this way, But I don't all of this. It just 606 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 4: is not How do you go into the end of 607 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 4: the season when you're having such a historic season and 608 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 4: want to play to your fullest and be you know, vibes, 609 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 4: big on vibes and have the right vibes with your 610 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 4: team when you're one foot out the door, and that's 611 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 4: what it feels like. You're one foot out the door 612 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 4: and it looks like you're going to LSU because Florida already, right, 613 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 4: the reports are that Florida has kind of maybe moved on, 614 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 4: moved on because they felt like there's been not a 615 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 4: lot of clear communication on his end. So it's LSU 616 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 4: is where he's going, which again we talked about this 617 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 4: Dan earlier. I was like, why would you go and 618 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 4: want to kind of rewrite the history that is LSU, 619 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 4: because that's the only way you're going to make a 620 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 4: name for yourself. Are you going to be better than 621 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 4: the coaches that have been at LSU, because there's been 622 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 4: some pretty big names. 623 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 2: Yes, Nick Saban, Yeah, that's a pretty big name, big one. However, 624 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 2: Nick Saban again left LSU for the NFL and then 625 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 2: goes to Alabama, and now we really kind of forget 626 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 2: that he was I don't we don't forget he was 627 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 2: LS He's coach, but he's known as. 628 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 3: Alabama's absolutely, but he's also Nick Saban. 629 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 2: Les Miles won a national championship at LSU. Ed Or 630 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 2: Jaran won a national championship at LSU. Neither of them 631 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 2: have jobs right now, And I think what Lane Kiffin's 632 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 2: as is, well, I may not be like Nick Saban, 633 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 2: who I coached under, but I know ed Orgeron. I'm 634 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 2: familiar with him from the USC days. And I think 635 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 2: lank kiffn probably finds himself in the middle of Nick 636 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 2: Saban and the less Miles than ed Orgeron. And you 637 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 2: know what that is. That's multi that's a national championship team. 638 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 2: Maybe not multi national championships. But I think his point 639 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 2: is is if I get the players in the funding 640 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 2: and the salary that I would desire, and I don't 641 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 2: know if it's totally about money, but that would be 642 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 2: the place to go where you can consistently win. And 643 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 2: if this is the greatest season in ole Miss history. Manzi, 644 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 2: when he still had players transferring out of the transfer 645 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 2: portal recently over the last couple of years and going 646 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 2: to other top elite programs, I think that tells you 647 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 2: that it's probably not sustainable for ole Miss. And that's where, 648 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 2: like I always just come back to the fact that 649 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 2: I think ole Miss has to remember that they're ole 650 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 2: Miss and that they're not going to be LSU Florida. 651 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 2: It's crazy because Florida has been a tough time, but 652 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 2: Alabama and Georgia and those in that breath here on 653 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 2: the Doug Gottlieb Show, whenever you heard Doug talk about 654 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 2: programs and programs of money and who's backing the school 655 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 2: that he always mentions is Texas A and M. Look 656 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 2: at Texas A and M right now. I mean, they're 657 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 2: on the verge of being in the SEC Championship game, 658 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 2: so much at stake for them. Now you've added another 659 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 2: school to the mix that is now competing at a 660 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 2: high level. Either throw in Texas and Oklahoma makes it 661 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 2: even more difficult for ole Miss. To compete, So I 662 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 2: think link Kiffin understands the big picture all of this. 663 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 2: My heart really would like him to stay at Ole Miss, 664 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 2: but I think the players understand it. It just feels 665 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 2: like there's a bit of a game going on right now. 666 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 2: I don't know how you avoid the game. I think 667 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 2: that the statement last week didn't help the game that 668 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 2: they are playing. And I'm using in an air Coote 669 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 2: quotes almost like a game that you would play in 670 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 2: a relationship. But to sit there and say you're going 671 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 2: to have an announcement on Saturday and play a game 672 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 2: on Friday, and then use the next twenty four hours 673 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 2: to pray as you were praying for or preparing for 674 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 2: this game just isn't realistic to me. We know he's 675 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 2: been thinking about this job for weeks and weeks and weeks, 676 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 2: and those comments there kind of tell us what's going 677 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 2: to happen. It would be the upset of the century. 678 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 2: If he stays in Oxford, it would. 679 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 3: Be the upset of the centric. Except for everybody at 680 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 3: Ole Miss. 681 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 2: You know they would love it, but I think that 682 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 2: they think he's gone as well. 683 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 4: Yeah it does seem that way, absolutely, But so you think, 684 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 4: like this is as good as it's going to get 685 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 4: for ole Miss. 686 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 3: Yes, and so he knows that, yes, and that's why 687 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 3: he's one foot out the door. 688 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 2: Yes, that's exactly. That's exactly it. Especially in the arms 689 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 2: race of what college football is now, it's actually worse. 690 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 2: And it's why when people have talked over the last 691 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 2: couple of years of why doesn't college football just go 692 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 2: to like an NFL model and I have thirty or 693 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 2: forty teams, Like there's you know, the NFL is based 694 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 2: on parody. But even if you have thirty or forty teams, 695 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 2: they're going to be have nots and haves. In college football. 696 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 2: There always have been in talking to and hearing people 697 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 2: talk about twenty years ago, teams that would emerge. You 698 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 2: would always trade your roster for what say Ohio State had, 699 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 2: for what back then USC had, for what LSU. If 700 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 2: you're ninety five percent of college football, you are trading 701 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 2: your entire roster for what those schools have. And it's 702 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 2: just difficult for ole Miss to do this year in 703 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 2: and year out, and for Lane Kiffin to do it. 704 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 2: I think that he understands that that if he wants 705 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 2: to do what he wants to do and do it 706 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 2: at the highest level. It's probably not going to happen 707 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 2: at in Oxford even with this magical season. 708 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 4: But with the ever changing landscape that is college football, 709 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 4: I feel like there's just gonna be constant revolving doors 710 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 4: everywhere with coaching, with players in the whole thing. Right, 711 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 4: So like this building of a program, you're gonna go 712 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 4: to LSU. 713 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 3: And the pressure. 714 00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 4: I don't know how how short or long his leash 715 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 4: is going to because LSU is expecting greatness here, great point. 716 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 3: Here with ole Miss, You're you're great, You're loved, You're the. 717 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 2: Heros isn't always greener? 718 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, And so I am having a hard I'm having 719 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 3: a hard time. But even even if it's I mean 720 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:16,959 Speaker 3: that this is as good as is going to get. 721 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 3: But why is that? Why does it have to be bad? 722 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 2: Because if if the landscape is what Lane Kiffin and 723 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 2: people believe, there's a chance that ole Miss could fall 724 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 2: on hard times in Lane Kiffen could be out of 725 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:31,800 Speaker 2: a job in three years. 726 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 3: That means the same situation at LSU. 727 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and get paid significantly more or have more opportunity 728 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 2: to bring in players. So that doesn't happen with more money. 729 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 2: The drawback to LSU that I actually think is how 730 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 2: crazy things have gone over the last couple of months 731 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 2: with Brian Kelly firing the ad, with the governor getting involved. 732 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,360 Speaker 2: Now that that's that would be the crazy part of 733 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 2: the relationship where I'm like, all right, I'm not really 734 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 2: necessarily keen on all these cooks in the kitchen. Yeah, 735 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 2: but we talked with Chris Gordy yesterday who hosts on 736 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 2: Lockdown SEC and Chris a part of our affiliate in 737 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,280 Speaker 2: Houston at Sports Talk seven ninety, and he said that 738 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 2: that isn't the case, that it's more stable than what's 739 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,359 Speaker 2: been going on. And there's obviously been a change in 740 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 2: the hierarchy, AD and head coach, but that would be 741 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,319 Speaker 2: the worry to me if all of the politicians are 742 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,360 Speaker 2: in it. And I don't know the landscape of the 743 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 2: the of what it looks like in Mississippi, but everybody's 744 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 2: all in on LSU football and that is it. It's 745 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,319 Speaker 2: just at a at another level. And I think that 746 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin, Lane Kiffin understands that and we wouldn't have 747 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 2: would we would understand more if Ole miss was eight 748 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 2: and four, not with a one loss team on the 749 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 2: verge of maybe doing some damage in the College Football Playoff. 750 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 2: But if they were eight and four, we would all 751 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 2: understand this and it would be a lot easier to understand. Yeah. 752 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,919 Speaker 4: I think that's a good point. That it's just seeing 753 00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 4: the schedule and seeing what they're doing. You're like really, 754 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 4: and like I feel like, again, he wasn't NFL. 755 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 3: You've done it, You've done it right. 756 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 4: You went beyond and you did the pros and here 757 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 4: you're now back in college football. 758 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 3: And sometimes the simplicity is better than the complicated world 759 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 3: at LSU or the governor. The governor is going to 760 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 3: get involved with you. You know what I'm saying. 761 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,240 Speaker 4: I agree, Like I would prefer leave me alone over here. 762 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 2: I think that it's not always greener. I think everybody 763 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,799 Speaker 2: has probably learned that lesson at some point, But Lane 764 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,759 Speaker 2: Kiffin wants I think that opportunity and considering where his 765 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 2: road has been. When you go and you're at Tennessee 766 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 2: and you leave after a year to take your dream 767 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 2: job at USC, that's probably something else that kind of 768 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,880 Speaker 2: burns at him that it didn't work out at USC. 769 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 2: So is this all that I'm going to do? So? Yeah, 770 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 2: I coached in the pros, but it didn't work out 771 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 2: in the pros. Maybe that's what would be next after LSU. 772 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,240 Speaker 2: If it works at LSU. 773 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 3: Who knows, back to the pros, who knows. 774 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that would probably be the next step. 775 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,320 Speaker 2: I don't know where else you would go in college 776 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,320 Speaker 2: football to if you were to succeed at LSU, to 777 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,880 Speaker 2: have that success. But there's probably something that he wants 778 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 2: to do that he hasn't accomplished, and I think that 779 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 2: that's what would allow him to do that, is try 780 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,759 Speaker 2: to I don't know, it's not righting the wrong of 781 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,319 Speaker 2: the USC, but I think he has another crack at 782 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 2: what he didn't accomplish in LA. She's Moncey Milanio. So 783 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 2: I'm dan Byer. But again, decision tomorrow. A lot of 784 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 2: praying tonight for Lane Kiffin and then we'll find out 785 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 2: whether he stays or goes. Yeah, he's gone. He gone.