WEBVTT - Ep 215 The Hidden Depths of Earwax

0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:03.040
<v Speaker 1>A fifty year old woman presented to her GP following

0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:07.080
<v Speaker 1>an episode of ear candling. After fifteen minutes, the person

0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:10.520
<v Speaker 1>performing the candling burned herself while attempting to remove the

0:00:10.560 --> 0:00:14.400
<v Speaker 1>candle and spilled candle wax into the patient's right ear canal.

0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:17.880
<v Speaker 1>On examination, a piece of candle wax was found in

0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:20.960
<v Speaker 1>the patient's ear and she was referred to the local ear, nose,

0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:24.959
<v Speaker 1>and throat department under general anesthetic. A large mass of

0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:28.960
<v Speaker 1>solidified yellow candle wax was removed from the deep meatus

0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:32.159
<v Speaker 1>of the ear. The patient had a small perforation in

0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:35.120
<v Speaker 1>her right to panic membrane. Results of a pure tone

0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:38.640
<v Speaker 1>audiogram showed a mild conductive hearing loss on the right side.

0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:41.640
<v Speaker 1>At a follow up appointment one month later, the perforation

0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:46.520
<v Speaker 1>was still there and the patient's hearing had not improved.

0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:35.920
<v Speaker 1>An account of why not to ear candle.

0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:43.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean, just one example, just one that sounds horrific. Yep.

0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:48.520
<v Speaker 1>I agree. Every single account of ear candling that I

0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:52.720
<v Speaker 1>read was exactly like this. This particular account comes from

0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:55.160
<v Speaker 1>an article from two thousand and seven by Rafferty at

0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:58.200
<v Speaker 1>All published in the Canadian Family Physician that was titled

0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:01.920
<v Speaker 1>ear candling. Should general prec tishners recommend it? The answer

0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:02.920
<v Speaker 1>was no.

0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:11.000
<v Speaker 2>No, firmly. Wow that's awful. Yeah, that's awful.

0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:11.720
<v Speaker 1>It's not great.

0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:14.160
<v Speaker 2>Hi. I'm Aaron Welsh.

0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:14.639
<v Speaker 1>And I'm Erin.

0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:17.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm an Updike and this is this podcast will kill you.

0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:22.799
<v Speaker 1>Today we're talking about ear wax, ear wax, continuing our

0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:23.960
<v Speaker 1>bodily fluids.

0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:27.440
<v Speaker 2>There's so much more that I've been like mentally collecting them.

0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:32.240
<v Speaker 2>There's like saliva would be a great one, belly button lint.

0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:37.320
<v Speaker 2>What's in there tojam on skin cells?

0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:39.240
<v Speaker 1>It's probably the same thing as to jam.

0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:42.280
<v Speaker 2>Aaron, Well, we'll do an episode on it, babe.

0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:42.840
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I can't wait.

0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:46.280
<v Speaker 2>We'll have to see if there's enough material there. But

0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:50.760
<v Speaker 2>don't get it like, I'm sorry, absolutely done, thank you.

0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:53.240
<v Speaker 2>I am thrilled for this episode.

0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:56.720
<v Speaker 1>I can't wait because I have nothing to contribute, but

0:02:56.760 --> 0:03:00.600
<v Speaker 1>I really want to. You have to say, I'm sure

0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:00.840
<v Speaker 1>that you.

0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:03.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I want to know what makes up earwax. Yeah.

0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:06.920
<v Speaker 1>I have several pages of notes, but like it's I'm

0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:07.600
<v Speaker 1>here for you.

0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:11.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm here for you. I love you. I love you.

0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:15.200
<v Speaker 2>I also love quarantine time me too.

0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:16.120
<v Speaker 1>That's what time it is.

0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:21.200
<v Speaker 2>How is that done? Was that nicely done? Really? Really good? Good?

0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:22.519
<v Speaker 1>Good? What are we drinking this week?

0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:26.640
<v Speaker 2>Arin, We're drinking the gold Mine gold mine. Yeah, not

0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:29.079
<v Speaker 2>out ear wax is gold some.

0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:37.880
<v Speaker 1>Of it is so many different shades, so many different grays, blacks, yellowish, brown.

0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:40.280
<v Speaker 2>Do you already say brown? I did, Yeah, okay, yeah.

0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:41.520
<v Speaker 1>Lots of shades though.

0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:45.520
<v Speaker 2>Lots of shades within mustard. But we are we're drinking.

0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:48.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we named it gold mine because the amount

0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:52.400
<v Speaker 2>of information that you can tell from earwax is more

0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:53.480
<v Speaker 2>than I ever expected.

0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:54.800
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that.

0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:59.720
<v Speaker 2>So I plus earwax is a resource, like not just informationally, well,

0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:01.000
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot to cover.

0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:08.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, okay, you're gonna tell me everything. What's in

0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:09.480
<v Speaker 1>the gold mine?

0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:12.279
<v Speaker 2>It's I mean, we wanted to make it look goldish.

0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:16.000
<v Speaker 2>You know. It's got pineapple juice, Jlipino simple syrup and

0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:20.920
<v Speaker 2>lime club soda. It's refreshing, delicious. This episode will come

0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:25.800
<v Speaker 2>out summertime, I think, so it's great in the summer,

0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:28.000
<v Speaker 2>in the summer, in the Northern Hemisphere summer.

0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:31.320
<v Speaker 1>You can find the full recipe on our website, this

0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:34.440
<v Speaker 1>podcastikila dot com, and all of our social media channels

0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:37.120
<v Speaker 1>which you should be following us if you're not already,

0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:42.440
<v Speaker 1>because we're there posting things like this Quarantini recipe. Also,

0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:47.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember what else, rate review and subscribe. Thank

0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:49.680
<v Speaker 1>you to everyone who has left us a review. It

0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:52.480
<v Speaker 1>really does help other people find this podcast, and we'd

0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:55.520
<v Speaker 1>like for like I don't know, everyone to listen to it. Yeah,

0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:59.880
<v Speaker 1>if you are watching on YouTube, hi, hi, and we

0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:03.839
<v Speaker 1>we are there on a web subscribe on a website

0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:05.960
<v Speaker 1>we have called this podcast will Kill You dot com.

0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:10.480
<v Speaker 1>You can find transcripts, you can find sources from every episode, Merchpatreon,

0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:15.279
<v Speaker 1>bookshop dot org, bookmobile, bloodmobile. Who does the music?

0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:19.279
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot, there's a lot, and I just I

0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:22.320
<v Speaker 2>know we always thank everyone at the end of these episodes,

0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:26.240
<v Speaker 2>but I was thinking, how there are there's so much

0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:28.479
<v Speaker 2>out there, Like there are so many podcasts out there,

0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:31.239
<v Speaker 2>there's so much media to listen to, to watch, et cetera.

0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:35.920
<v Speaker 2>And the fact that people choose to engage with ours

0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:40.080
<v Speaker 2>is really it's really surreal and wonderful and so thank

0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:43.279
<v Speaker 2>you for choosing to spend your time with us. It

0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:45.599
<v Speaker 2>means the world truly really does.

0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.839
<v Speaker 1>It really does. Like we love getting to make this

0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:52.880
<v Speaker 1>podcast as our jobs, yeah, and sharing everything that we

0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:56.200
<v Speaker 1>learn with you. And I still can't believe that anyone

0:05:56.400 --> 0:06:01.360
<v Speaker 1>I know listen. It's truly say. Every time someone's like,

0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:02.359
<v Speaker 1>oh I listen, I'm.

0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:06.880
<v Speaker 2>Like, really, you've heard of this podcast? What why do

0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:10.960
<v Speaker 2>you listen? Thank you, thank you, thank you.

0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:12.760
<v Speaker 1>We appreciate it, we do.

0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:17.520
<v Speaker 2>But enough enough of all that. It's time for earwax.

0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:53.039
<v Speaker 1>Ear wax. Let's get into it right after this break. Earwax.

0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:58.239
<v Speaker 1>That's how I started good. I like it all caps,

0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:01.159
<v Speaker 1>so we all know what it is. It's the junk

0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:04.760
<v Speaker 1>in our ears. The official medical term for ear wax

0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:05.800
<v Speaker 1>is serumin.

0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:09.359
<v Speaker 2>Junk is you know I'm going to take issue with that.

0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:11.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh I can't wait for you to take issue with that.

0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:16.800
<v Speaker 1>So serumin is this waxy substance that our ear makes.

0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:21.280
<v Speaker 1>Our ear makes this in order to stay lubricated, to

0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:24.880
<v Speaker 1>clean and protect our ear canal. And really it functions

0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:29.280
<v Speaker 1>a lot like the mucus in our nose, except it's

0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:31.080
<v Speaker 1>kind of also completely different.

0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:33.160
<v Speaker 2>So it was like, its just ear boogers.

0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:38.360
<v Speaker 1>It's ear boogers, yeah, more or less, but different. So

0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:41.640
<v Speaker 1>it is a protective barrier the same way that our nose,

0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:45.640
<v Speaker 1>mucus is it is a little bit acidic, and so

0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:48.080
<v Speaker 1>in being a little bit acidic, it keeps our ear

0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:51.280
<v Speaker 1>canal acidic, which helps to inhibit the growth of bacteria

0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:56.080
<v Speaker 1>and fungi which would really love to be able to

0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:59.480
<v Speaker 1>grow in our ear canal. There was a nineteen ninety

0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:01.880
<v Speaker 1>four pape which I didn't read this paper, but I

0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:04.280
<v Speaker 1>read a paper that quoted this paper that called the

0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:08.040
<v Speaker 1>ear canal quote the green house of the human body

0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:12.840
<v Speaker 1>end quote, because of how much fung i would love

0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:14.360
<v Speaker 1>to grow in our ear canal. And I was like,

0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:17.600
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't we have a lot of moist dark.

0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:20.880
<v Speaker 2>Eye was, yeah, there's gotta be more. I can think

0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:24.520
<v Speaker 2>of many greenhouses we too populate throughout our bodies.

0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:30.520
<v Speaker 1>But anyways, the potentially I mean every mucus membrane, really

0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:35.800
<v Speaker 1>every mucus membrane. Anyways, just like in our nose, in

0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:39.280
<v Speaker 1>our ears, we have these glands just underneath the skin

0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:43.640
<v Speaker 1>that are what produced the oily substance that ends up

0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:47.560
<v Speaker 1>getting mixed with shed skin cells and debris that all

0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:52.000
<v Speaker 1>together become our ear wax. There's two types of glands.

0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:55.760
<v Speaker 1>There are sabaceous glands and we have subacious glands all

0:08:55.800 --> 0:09:00.319
<v Speaker 1>over our body, and sabacious glands produce a substance called seam,

0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:04.040
<v Speaker 1>which is like this sort of oily type of substance.

0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:07.199
<v Speaker 1>And then we also have in our ears these modified

0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:12.240
<v Speaker 1>apicrin glands, and our apocrine glands are basically like our

0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:14.640
<v Speaker 1>sweat glands are a type of apricin gland as well,

0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:19.640
<v Speaker 1>and these glands produce a variety of substances, including lipids

0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:24.680
<v Speaker 1>so like fats, wax esters, alcohols, something called squaleen, which

0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:29.600
<v Speaker 1>is a kind of fatty substance, and cholesterol, and all

0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:33.520
<v Speaker 1>of these get together, the secretions from our apicrine glands

0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:38.040
<v Speaker 1>and the secretions from our sebum glands and mix with

0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:42.880
<v Speaker 1>our dead skin cells, which I find very fascinating because

0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:48.160
<v Speaker 1>the cells in our ear, like our skin cells, shed

0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:50.520
<v Speaker 1>all the time, right like rub your hand against your

0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:53.000
<v Speaker 1>skin and the top layer is sluffing off.

0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:57.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay, got it, It sluffed the top layer.

0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:01.839
<v Speaker 1>That's happening in our ears as well, and it moves

0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:05.120
<v Speaker 1>from the inside of our ear towards the outside of

0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:09.840
<v Speaker 1>our ear like the cells do this shedding thing in

0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:12.480
<v Speaker 1>a particular way. There's a paper from nineteen sixty four

0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:16.520
<v Speaker 1>that like tracked the way that our ear canal sheds

0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:22.080
<v Speaker 1>its own skin. How is it doing hairs? No, So

0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:26.240
<v Speaker 1>here's what's so fascinating. It's not little hairs or little cilia.

0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:29.800
<v Speaker 1>A big part of what moves the skin and all

0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:33.280
<v Speaker 1>of the debris within it is our jaw movements. So

0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:36.760
<v Speaker 1>when we are talking and chewing, it helps to move

0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:39.600
<v Speaker 1>the ear wax and these skin cells along the ear

0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:44.640
<v Speaker 1>canal itself. And this is all our Technically, our outer ear,

0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:47.760
<v Speaker 1>which is our ear, has three parts in our middle

0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:49.440
<v Speaker 1>and outer and this is all the outer parts, so

0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:53.760
<v Speaker 1>from the tympanic membrane out towards the outside world. Cool.

0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:56.520
<v Speaker 2>I have, very cool. I have a few questions.

0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:57.120
<v Speaker 1>Give it to me.

0:10:57.320 --> 0:11:01.720
<v Speaker 2>Where are these glands located? They located throughout our ear canal,

0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:04.240
<v Speaker 2>just in our inner ear. Okay, so yeah, they're throughout

0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:06.800
<v Speaker 2>our ear canal. This is all outer ear canal. This

0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:09.199
<v Speaker 2>is all outer ear, all outer ear. Okay, yeah, okay, yeah,

0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:10.439
<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, yeah, Okay.

0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:13.520
<v Speaker 1>It feels like it's inner because I like the oracle

0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:15.640
<v Speaker 1>or the pinnow, which is like the visible.

0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:16.600
<v Speaker 2>Part of your ear, the little hole.

0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:18.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it's yeah, it's a canal that's like usually

0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:21.160
<v Speaker 1>like an inch or so long. It can be a

0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:24.280
<v Speaker 1>little bit windy, so it sometimes feels longer when you're

0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:24.959
<v Speaker 1>looking in it.

0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:32.080
<v Speaker 2>But okay, how much do we produced? And here's the

0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:33.640
<v Speaker 2>other question. Can you answer?

0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:35.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't have an answer to that question, and it

0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:38.520
<v Speaker 1>bothers me so much that I didn't see that anywhere.

0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:39.400
<v Speaker 1>Do you have an answer?

0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:41.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't have an answer. I mean, I I had

0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:43.320
<v Speaker 2>a hard time finding I was trying to find the

0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:46.680
<v Speaker 2>origin of these glands, the like seruminous glands, and like

0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:48.920
<v Speaker 2>when did they evolve and blah blah blah, and I

0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:51.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean maybe my search terms weren't great, but I

0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:54.960
<v Speaker 2>couldn't find anything. Okay, So then the other question is

0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:57.840
<v Speaker 2>does the amount that we produce what affects it? And

0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:02.440
<v Speaker 2>I was just thinking of like, if if you're grinding

0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:05.280
<v Speaker 2>your teeth at night and that's an eight solid hours

0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:08.240
<v Speaker 2>of just jaw movement movement, are you producing more ear

0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:11.280
<v Speaker 2>wax or are you moving more ear wax? Is there

0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:12.520
<v Speaker 2>an impact on earwax?

0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:19.880
<v Speaker 1>That's an excellent question. I have literally no idea. I

0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:22.360
<v Speaker 1>have no idea, but that's such an interesting question. So

0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:25.560
<v Speaker 1>we do are our ear the glands in our ears?

0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:28.400
<v Speaker 1>The cruminous glands. So the semum glands and the apocrine glands,

0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:31.680
<v Speaker 1>they reduce in number as we get older, and so

0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:34.040
<v Speaker 1>that's one thing that's going to affect how much earwax

0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:36.600
<v Speaker 1>we make. So the older that you get, the less

0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:38.840
<v Speaker 1>the dryer your ear wax tends to be because you

0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:40.880
<v Speaker 1>have less of these glands. Why don't ask me, I

0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:44.559
<v Speaker 1>don't know except that, like, I mean, your skin gets

0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:46.439
<v Speaker 1>drier in general as you get older, right, so you're

0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:49.320
<v Speaker 1>just losing sebum producing glands everywhere. I don't I don't

0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:50.680
<v Speaker 1>actually know they fall off?

0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:53.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, why do they fall fall off?

0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:55.120
<v Speaker 1>Or they just kind of like dry, you.

0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:58.920
<v Speaker 2>Know, I mean, I get you physically fall off. Okay,

0:12:58.960 --> 0:12:59.720
<v Speaker 2>what about ear?

0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:04.520
<v Speaker 1>Ear hair? Ear hair also increases in number as we

0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:07.000
<v Speaker 1>get older, and so the like, older people might have

0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:09.760
<v Speaker 1>quite a lot of hair in their ears, especially males,

0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:13.080
<v Speaker 1>and that can actually block the ear wax from coming

0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:15.840
<v Speaker 1>all the way out, so it can contribute to serum

0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:17.640
<v Speaker 1>and impaction, which I'll talk a little bit more about

0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:18.320
<v Speaker 1>in a minute.

0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:22.120
<v Speaker 2>Why do we get more ear hair when we get older.

0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:23.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't have it. I don't have an answer. We

0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:25.079
<v Speaker 1>get hair everywhere when we get older.

0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:28.600
<v Speaker 2>Right, Okay, we lose hair body hairs as an episode.

0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:47.479
<v Speaker 1>Listen, I'm down. So there's two main types of earwax.

0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:51.480
<v Speaker 1>It's usually split. There's wet earwax and there's dry earwax.

0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:53.080
<v Speaker 1>And I think you're going to talk a little bit

0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:57.320
<v Speaker 1>more about this distinction, Arin, but it's genetically determined, which

0:13:57.360 --> 0:14:02.560
<v Speaker 1>I think is so interesting, except that obviously it does also,

0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:05.680
<v Speaker 1>like I said, get drier as we age. But the drier,

0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:10.280
<v Speaker 1>flakier earwax, which some people have, is usually lighter in color,

0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:12.640
<v Speaker 1>and it tends to be more common in people of

0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:17.640
<v Speaker 1>Asian and Native American descent. And then the sticky, dark earwax,

0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:21.800
<v Speaker 1>which is what I have say, very sticky wax, it's

0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:26.520
<v Speaker 1>more common in people of African and European descent. And

0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:31.560
<v Speaker 1>apparently the dry, flaky earwax is like a recessive trait. Correct,

0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:34.080
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna tell me more about that I got about

0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:37.480
<v Speaker 1>ear wax. There's not I tried to find if there

0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:40.960
<v Speaker 1>was like a big literature about like who's more likely

0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:44.640
<v Speaker 1>to get earwax impaction or something like that, And there

0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:47.160
<v Speaker 1>isn't a strong association between types of ear wax, like

0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:49.120
<v Speaker 1>you can get too much of it, whether you have

0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:51.520
<v Speaker 1>the dry, flaky stuff or the wet, sticky stuff.

0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:53.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's interesting, Okay.

0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:58.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And so under typical or ideal conditions, our outer

0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:01.120
<v Speaker 1>ear is kind of like a self clean oven. Okay.

0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:04.360
<v Speaker 1>So it makes this wax and then it pushes it

0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:08.920
<v Speaker 1>out in order to keep our ear canals free of

0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:11.880
<v Speaker 1>debris and bacteria and getting rid of all of these

0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:13.720
<v Speaker 1>skin cells once they're dead and done.

0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:14.120
<v Speaker 2>All right.

0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:18.880
<v Speaker 1>The biggest complication that we see is when this mechanism,

0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:21.360
<v Speaker 1>for one reason or another doesn't go as planned, and

0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:24.480
<v Speaker 1>so our ear wax builds up and gets stuck inside

0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:28.040
<v Speaker 1>of our ear canals. And this is called serumin impaction.

0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:31.400
<v Speaker 2>Why problem might that happen? Let me tell you.

0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:35.560
<v Speaker 1>There's so many different reasons. It's probably the biggest ear

0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:38.080
<v Speaker 1>wax complaints, certainly like that you see in primary care

0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:40.560
<v Speaker 1>or things like that. There's lots of other things that

0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:44.080
<v Speaker 1>you can get stuck in your ear canal, bugs and

0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:47.040
<v Speaker 1>legos and other small toys very common.

0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:52.320
<v Speaker 2>I feel like you have an ear invasion phobia. Dem

0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:53.400
<v Speaker 2>I remembering that, correct.

0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:55.840
<v Speaker 1>I love that you remember that and said it on

0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:59.480
<v Speaker 1>a podcast for the world. I do. It's because of

0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:03.560
<v Speaker 1>the wrath of con okay, okay. In the Wrath of

0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:06.840
<v Speaker 1>con they put a little like alien guy in this

0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:10.800
<v Speaker 1>is like the original star track of movie. They put

0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:12.920
<v Speaker 1>a little alien like mind control guy. And then in

0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:16.480
<v Speaker 1>Anamorphs that's also how they control or something. Is that

0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:19.600
<v Speaker 1>what they're called? Wow, something like that. Did you know

0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:21.800
<v Speaker 1>they're making a series, Eric, I do know that.

0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:24.240
<v Speaker 2>I am very excited about it, so excited about and

0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:26.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm also nervous because like those books.

0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:27.840
<v Speaker 1>Were very dark, I know.

0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:30.480
<v Speaker 2>So we'll see how it goes, so we'll see what happens.

0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:34.240
<v Speaker 1>But anyways, so yes, I do have a phobia of

0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:40.520
<v Speaker 1>like mind control creatures being put specifically.

0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:41.480
<v Speaker 2>I just figured it was like any bug.

0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:44.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, I don't like the idea of anybody.

0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:46.480
<v Speaker 1>I've taken some cockroaches out of ears, and it's not

0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:49.280
<v Speaker 1>like a pleasant experience for the person who has the

0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:50.560
<v Speaker 1>cockroach in their ear.

0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:56.920
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, I regret going down. It's well, it's.

0:16:56.800 --> 0:17:01.160
<v Speaker 1>Not it's not great, okay, But anyways, ear wax much

0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:04.160
<v Speaker 1>more common to get stuck in your ears than other things,

0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:09.399
<v Speaker 1>and the biggest issue that can happen from this is

0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:13.520
<v Speaker 1>that if the ear wax completely obscures your tympanic membrane,

0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:15.880
<v Speaker 1>which is the thing that separates your outer ear from

0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:18.560
<v Speaker 1>your middle ear, and this is like the membrane that

0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:22.480
<v Speaker 1>allows us to hear. Then, not only can this be

0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:25.600
<v Speaker 1>very uncomfortable, it can create the sensation of fullness, it

0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:29.200
<v Speaker 1>can be very itchy, but it also can cause hearing loss.

0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:31.560
<v Speaker 1>Right if you completely block the thing that we use

0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:35.760
<v Speaker 1>to hear, you can have substantially diminished hearing. And it

0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:39.440
<v Speaker 1>can really exacerbate tintous or that ringing in your ear

0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:42.000
<v Speaker 1>tonitics some people call it. I have that.

0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:44.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It also could set you up.

0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:46.919
<v Speaker 1>For an ear infection because you're obviously blocking a tube,

0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:49.600
<v Speaker 1>which anytime you do that can set you up for

0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:53.000
<v Speaker 1>an infection. So this can happen for a few different reasons.

0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:56.160
<v Speaker 1>Number one, if you just have very tight or very

0:17:56.240 --> 0:18:00.280
<v Speaker 1>like snaky shaped ear canals, then you might be more

0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:02.639
<v Speaker 1>prone to getting those blocked. So we might see this

0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:05.800
<v Speaker 1>in small children who have smaller ear canals that they

0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:08.879
<v Speaker 1>might have be more likely to get ear wax built up.

0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:12.200
<v Speaker 1>Or if for whatever reason developmentally you have a different

0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:15.119
<v Speaker 1>shape of ear canal, or if you just happen to

0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:16.800
<v Speaker 1>be a person who makes a lot of ear wax

0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:19.120
<v Speaker 1>and I don't have any statistics on who you are

0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:22.880
<v Speaker 1>compared to anyone else. Yeah, So the biggest modifiable risk

0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:26.320
<v Speaker 1>factors are using things like cotton swabs that you stick

0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:27.159
<v Speaker 1>in your ear aus in.

0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:30.400
<v Speaker 2>Don't use them because using them will lead to impaction. Yeah.

0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:33.360
<v Speaker 1>Not only can they push the ear wax further in,

0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:35.639
<v Speaker 1>which can lead to impaction, they also can create little

0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:37.919
<v Speaker 1>microabrasions in your ear canal which can put you at

0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:42.240
<v Speaker 1>risk for infection. Also, hearing aids or all of the

0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:45.200
<v Speaker 1>earbuds that we use now, they just shove stuff down

0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:46.080
<v Speaker 1>into your ear.

0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:47.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:49.439
<v Speaker 1>And then, like we talked about, as we get older,

0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:53.200
<v Speaker 1>our earwax gets drier, which can make it sometimes more

0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:55.719
<v Speaker 1>likely to get stuck. But also the hairs that we

0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:58.200
<v Speaker 1>see in the outer, like the very outer part, can

0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:00.679
<v Speaker 1>just prevent all that earwax from leaving. So we actually

0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:04.119
<v Speaker 1>see even though your ear canals are larger when you're older,

0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:08.439
<v Speaker 1>we see more impaction in older adults than we do

0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:11.159
<v Speaker 1>in younger adults or children. Wow.

0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:20.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, m hm. How do you manage impaction removal? How

0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:23.440
<v Speaker 2>do you manage You're not supposed to use cotton swabs,

0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:24.640
<v Speaker 2>So don't use cotton swabs.

0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:29.520
<v Speaker 1>This is not a medical advice podcast, but please Yeah,

0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:33.480
<v Speaker 1>if it's impacted, like if you have true serumin impaction

0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:36.040
<v Speaker 1>in your ear, then usually you're gonna need a little

0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:38.480
<v Speaker 1>bit of help to get it out, though not always so.

0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:41.080
<v Speaker 1>In the office, we might use something that's like a

0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:44.639
<v Speaker 1>spray bottle with a special hose nozzle on the end

0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:46.879
<v Speaker 1>of it that we can stick just far enough but

0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:49.600
<v Speaker 1>not too far into your ear canal and spray warm

0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:53.280
<v Speaker 1>like lukewarm water, sometimes with hydrogen peroxide because the bubbles

0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:56.040
<v Speaker 1>can help, and you just spray spray spraying until you

0:19:56.080 --> 0:20:02.520
<v Speaker 1>can dislodge that thing. It's really really satisfying, like so satisfying.

0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:04.520
<v Speaker 2>Sure videos exist on the internet.

0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:09.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, definitely. Sometimes we might use like a curette

0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:13.280
<v Speaker 1>or something, or there's like little vacuum aspirators that, like

0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:16.080
<v Speaker 1>the ant specialists might have to really suck it out,

0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:20.240
<v Speaker 1>depending on how it's in there or at home. There's

0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:22.359
<v Speaker 1>actually a lot of things that people can do that

0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:26.040
<v Speaker 1>are safe to not only help to soften up something

0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:28.520
<v Speaker 1>that might be stuck, but also just help get rid

0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:30.680
<v Speaker 1>of earwax if you feel like you have too much

0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:33.080
<v Speaker 1>of it. Though again, your ears are a self cleaning oven.

0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:34.840
<v Speaker 1>That's going to do it all on their own without

0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:37.640
<v Speaker 1>your help. But over the counter remedies might be even

0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:40.280
<v Speaker 1>just putting water or like saline drops in the ear

0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:44.000
<v Speaker 1>which can help to soften up dry ear wax, hydrogen

0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:47.880
<v Speaker 1>peroxide or there's similar drops that are made of carbamide peroxide.

0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:51.399
<v Speaker 1>That's like d Brox brand drops in the pharmacies here.

0:20:51.840 --> 0:20:54.479
<v Speaker 1>Those basically just help to soften and the bubbles can

0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:56.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of help to loosen up some of that wax

0:20:56.480 --> 0:20:58.359
<v Speaker 1>so that it can come out on their own. Some

0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:01.920
<v Speaker 1>people might use mineral oil, which is totally safe to use,

0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:04.960
<v Speaker 1>but in general, the goal is just to keep that

0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:07.800
<v Speaker 1>ear wax soft enough that your ear can do its

0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:11.359
<v Speaker 1>job of getting it out on its own. Ear candling

0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:14.440
<v Speaker 1>is a thing I want to mention real quick because

0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:17.320
<v Speaker 1>you heard about it in our first hand accounting. The

0:21:17.480 --> 0:21:20.600
<v Speaker 1>claim apparently on how it works is that it creates

0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:24.000
<v Speaker 1>a negative pressure in your ear canal to draw out

0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:24.640
<v Speaker 1>the wax.

0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:27.520
<v Speaker 2>I did not know that was the claim.

0:21:27.680 --> 0:21:32.000
<v Speaker 1>Apparently that's the claim. It also apparently is supposedly this

0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:34.879
<v Speaker 1>negative pressure also helps to treat other non ear wax

0:21:34.920 --> 0:21:39.000
<v Speaker 1>related things like allergic rhinitis or like sinus pressure in general.

0:21:40.440 --> 0:21:43.040
<v Speaker 1>So notwithstanding the fact that you can legitimately just be

0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:46.160
<v Speaker 1>setting yourself on fire, as you heard in our first

0:21:46.160 --> 0:21:48.560
<v Speaker 1>hand account, you can also end up with wax that

0:21:48.680 --> 0:21:51.360
<v Speaker 1>is not the ear variety, the candle variety, that gets

0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:55.359
<v Speaker 1>stuck in your ear, which can potentially cause really serious

0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:59.320
<v Speaker 1>damage to the tympanic membrane. And not only is there

0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:02.520
<v Speaker 1>no evidence in the literature that it works, there is

0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:06.240
<v Speaker 1>actually at least one study that shows that it does

0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:10.920
<v Speaker 1>not work and actually creates deposits of candle wax even

0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:14.040
<v Speaker 1>if you don't have like visible candle wax. Like in

0:22:14.080 --> 0:22:16.160
<v Speaker 1>our first hand account, it was obviously like a big

0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:20.800
<v Speaker 1>deal chunks got stuck. But even in this other study

0:22:20.800 --> 0:22:23.919
<v Speaker 1>there was just like deposits of like debris from the

0:22:23.960 --> 0:22:28.960
<v Speaker 1>smoke and the wax in the ear without removing any

0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:30.199
<v Speaker 1>wax whatsoever.

0:22:31.480 --> 0:22:33.720
<v Speaker 2>So you're just start adding gunk to.

0:22:33.640 --> 0:22:36.880
<v Speaker 1>Your ear, to your ear without removing any actual ear

0:22:36.880 --> 0:22:40.960
<v Speaker 1>wax whatsoever. Also, no negative pressure was created in this study.

0:22:41.040 --> 0:22:42.960
<v Speaker 1>They used like a fake ear canal and they put

0:22:43.000 --> 0:22:45.000
<v Speaker 1>an ear candle in it and they measured the pressure.

0:22:45.280 --> 0:22:48.480
<v Speaker 1>No negative pressure differential created, and they found all of

0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:52.240
<v Speaker 1>this like just stuff that was deposited in the ears,

0:22:52.760 --> 0:22:54.399
<v Speaker 1>I mean, without getting any ear wax out.

0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:57.439
<v Speaker 2>So it seems like there's no there seemed to be

0:22:57.480 --> 0:23:00.320
<v Speaker 2>no clear benefits whatsoever. Benefit just the well on the

0:23:00.320 --> 0:23:03.320
<v Speaker 2>list of cons and potentially severe.

0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:10.240
<v Speaker 1>Outcomes, severe outcomes, and that is Aaron earwax beautiful.

0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:14.360
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Thank you so much.

0:23:14.400 --> 0:23:17.840
<v Speaker 1>I think it's my shortest episode ever. Please tell me

0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:19.800
<v Speaker 1>everything I want to know from you.

0:23:20.160 --> 0:23:25.280
<v Speaker 2>God, There's so there's so much. It's going to be great. Okay. Wait.

0:23:42.320 --> 0:23:46.560
<v Speaker 2>One of the true absolute joys of doing this podcast

0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:49.760
<v Speaker 2>is discovering that there's like a whole world of study

0:23:49.920 --> 0:23:53.240
<v Speaker 2>out there about a topic that, on the surface seems

0:23:53.560 --> 0:23:59.280
<v Speaker 2>pretty mundane. Earx, earx. Earwax didn't immediately strike me as

0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:03.320
<v Speaker 2>a topic of fascination. Despite being like, we should do

0:24:03.400 --> 0:24:07.280
<v Speaker 2>earwax next and pushing to do it classic, I was like, okay,

0:24:07.800 --> 0:24:10.280
<v Speaker 2>I knew that it was probably important for ear health

0:24:10.320 --> 0:24:13.440
<v Speaker 2>and that you shouldn't use cotton swabs to remove wax

0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:16.080
<v Speaker 2>from your ears, but that was basically the limit of

0:24:16.119 --> 0:24:20.439
<v Speaker 2>my knowledge. As it turns out, earwax is, like our

0:24:20.520 --> 0:24:25.680
<v Speaker 2>quarantine suggests, a true gold mine of information. I came

0:24:25.720 --> 0:24:30.880
<v Speaker 2>across papers discussing earwax in the context of human migration,

0:24:31.760 --> 0:24:39.600
<v Speaker 2>art history, forensic analysis, and anthropogenic change. What I am now,

0:24:39.720 --> 0:24:43.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm a convert, I'm a believer. I love it, and

0:24:43.119 --> 0:24:45.520
<v Speaker 2>I think hopefully by the end of this history section

0:24:45.640 --> 0:24:48.399
<v Speaker 2>you might be too, or at least you'll have a

0:24:48.400 --> 0:24:50.919
<v Speaker 2>couple pieces of trivia to impress your friends with at

0:24:50.960 --> 0:24:51.719
<v Speaker 2>the next party.

0:24:51.920 --> 0:24:53.560
<v Speaker 1>I can't wait. No, I love that.

0:24:55.400 --> 0:24:57.800
<v Speaker 2>Ear wax has been a subject of at least minor

0:24:57.840 --> 0:25:01.560
<v Speaker 2>medical interest for millennia, mostly in the context of its

0:25:01.600 --> 0:25:05.520
<v Speaker 2>removal or what it signifies for total body health. So,

0:25:05.560 --> 0:25:11.120
<v Speaker 2>for instance, Hippocrates apparently viewed sweet earwax as an unfavorable symptom,

0:25:11.280 --> 0:25:14.000
<v Speaker 2>while bitter ear wax meant that you were in good health.

0:25:15.440 --> 0:25:17.480
<v Speaker 1>So people were out here just tasting earwax.

0:25:17.640 --> 0:25:19.399
<v Speaker 2>That's that is what I wrote. I was like, I

0:25:19.440 --> 0:25:21.439
<v Speaker 2>don't I can't think of any other way that you

0:25:21.440 --> 0:25:25.400
<v Speaker 2>can judge bitter versus sweet besides your taste buds. And so, yeah,

0:25:25.480 --> 0:25:28.760
<v Speaker 2>Hippocrates is out there going taste your patient's earwax.

0:25:29.160 --> 0:25:31.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they tasted a lot of urine, et cetera.

0:25:31.480 --> 0:25:32.439
<v Speaker 1>So it shouldn't surprise.

0:25:32.640 --> 0:25:39.160
<v Speaker 2>It shouldn't surprise, but it did surprise, and my capacity

0:25:39.200 --> 0:25:41.840
<v Speaker 2>for surprise is still is still present.

0:25:42.800 --> 0:25:43.720
<v Speaker 1>I think that's a good thing.

0:25:43.920 --> 0:25:48.639
<v Speaker 2>It's good. You know, there's wonder left in this world exactly,

0:25:49.840 --> 0:25:54.000
<v Speaker 2>And of course the typical recipes of unlikely ingredients for removal,

0:25:54.080 --> 0:25:58.400
<v Speaker 2>things like milk, cinnamon, mirrhr, almond, oyle, saffron. These were

0:25:58.440 --> 0:26:02.359
<v Speaker 2>described to cure earache or remove earwax.

0:26:02.520 --> 0:26:05.600
<v Speaker 1>I saw allmond oil listed still today, so that one's interesting.

0:26:05.840 --> 0:26:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is olive oil, but.

0:26:08.920 --> 0:26:12.159
<v Speaker 1>Not I don't know, I don't know what I read.

0:26:12.400 --> 0:26:15.800
<v Speaker 2>As far back as the second century, Celsus, who is

0:26:15.840 --> 0:26:19.199
<v Speaker 2>a Greek philosopher and physician, suggested using water to flush

0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:22.879
<v Speaker 2>out foreign bodies and potentially earwax impactions, so or ahead

0:26:22.880 --> 0:26:26.720
<v Speaker 2>of his time. Then the suggestion his suggestion to use

0:26:27.520 --> 0:26:32.840
<v Speaker 2>quote the saliva of a hungry man end quote, to

0:26:32.960 --> 0:26:37.359
<v Speaker 2>treat a larval infestation in the ear, which is like

0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:40.639
<v Speaker 2>so many questions, there, so many questions.

0:26:40.800 --> 0:26:45.720
<v Speaker 1>The saliva of a hungry man. Yeah, where does one

0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:49.800
<v Speaker 1>get this? How hungry do they have to be? How

0:26:49.880 --> 0:26:52.320
<v Speaker 1>much saliva does it all have to come from the

0:26:52.359 --> 0:26:54.920
<v Speaker 1>same man or can it be from multiple hungry.

0:26:54.640 --> 0:26:57.240
<v Speaker 2>Well, it says a hungry man, not the saliva of

0:26:57.359 --> 0:26:58.119
<v Speaker 2>hungry men.

0:26:58.280 --> 0:27:01.359
<v Speaker 1>Okay, and what larva are infesting your ear?

0:27:01.600 --> 0:27:06.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean you described cockroaches? Yeah, but okay, I don't know.

0:27:08.080 --> 0:27:10.879
<v Speaker 2>I apologize for that haunting thought, but I read it,

0:27:10.960 --> 0:27:14.439
<v Speaker 2>so now you have to read it, thank you, Just

0:27:14.480 --> 0:27:19.960
<v Speaker 2>like the booger taste thing last week. Over the centuries,

0:27:20.000 --> 0:27:23.800
<v Speaker 2>physicians became more interested in earwax in the context of

0:27:23.880 --> 0:27:29.480
<v Speaker 2>ear health and hearing overall. It was recognized by the

0:27:29.520 --> 0:27:33.360
<v Speaker 2>late seventeen hundreds that earwax held several important functions, including

0:27:33.440 --> 0:27:36.479
<v Speaker 2>preventing dirt and insects from injuring the ear drum. They

0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:41.560
<v Speaker 2>seemed particularly preoccupied by insects. Quote. The yellow humor purged

0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:45.280
<v Speaker 2>by the ears defendeth them against fleas, little flies, and

0:27:45.400 --> 0:27:49.000
<v Speaker 2>other small worms and beasts that might otherwise enter within

0:27:49.080 --> 0:27:50.359
<v Speaker 2>them end quote.

0:27:50.600 --> 0:27:53.480
<v Speaker 1>So it's not just me who has a like fear

0:27:53.640 --> 0:27:55.600
<v Speaker 1>of creepy caralis in my ears.

0:27:55.760 --> 0:28:00.679
<v Speaker 2>No, I think that's a reasonable thing to fear, thank you. Yeah, sorry,

0:28:00.720 --> 0:28:04.000
<v Speaker 2>sorry if I imply that it wasn't. I also fear

0:28:04.040 --> 0:28:04.360
<v Speaker 2>the year.

0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:09.240
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that.

0:28:10.280 --> 0:28:13.080
<v Speaker 2>And so you you described how ear wax you're producing

0:28:13.119 --> 0:28:17.200
<v Speaker 2>it continuously. It's just going out of your ears continuously.

0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:21.560
<v Speaker 2>And this continuous production was shown by a professor who

0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:24.119
<v Speaker 2>carried out a very simple experiment. I think this is

0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:27.800
<v Speaker 2>in the seventeen hundreds, just by wiping his ears with

0:28:27.880 --> 0:28:30.760
<v Speaker 2>a piece of black velvet one hundred times an hour,

0:28:31.160 --> 0:28:33.600
<v Speaker 2>and no matter how many times he wiped, there was

0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:40.320
<v Speaker 2>always a little bit of wax on the cloth. I've

0:28:40.440 --> 0:28:41.440
<v Speaker 2>just loved that imagery.

0:28:41.640 --> 0:28:42.200
<v Speaker 1>That's amazing.

0:28:42.520 --> 0:28:46.520
<v Speaker 2>Physicians also noted several cases where someone's hearing improved or

0:28:46.560 --> 0:28:50.320
<v Speaker 2>worsened depending on earwax compaction or removal, and so in

0:28:50.320 --> 0:28:53.960
<v Speaker 2>this way, earwax kind of helped to turn hearing into

0:28:53.960 --> 0:28:56.680
<v Speaker 2>a more fluid, dynamic state where it could be permanent

0:28:56.800 --> 0:28:59.520
<v Speaker 2>or temporary, It could change over the course of your life,

0:28:59.560 --> 0:29:03.680
<v Speaker 2>and it could be partial or complete. Earwax related deafness

0:29:03.760 --> 0:29:08.640
<v Speaker 2>was apparently not uncommon or other issues related to earwax compaction.

0:29:08.880 --> 0:29:13.040
<v Speaker 2>So the seventeenth century scientist Robert Hook described his month's

0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:17.640
<v Speaker 2>long experience with tenitis or tindas and impaired hearing that

0:29:17.720 --> 0:29:20.560
<v Speaker 2>was ultimately found to be caused in part by a

0:29:20.680 --> 0:29:25.000
<v Speaker 2>hard compacted stone of earwax, which was not a rare occurrence.

0:29:26.040 --> 0:29:29.560
<v Speaker 2>All sorts of remedies were employed and attempts to remove earwax,

0:29:29.680 --> 0:29:33.000
<v Speaker 2>like applying heat, plugging the ear with perfumed wool or

0:29:33.040 --> 0:29:36.720
<v Speaker 2>cotton to try to stimulate the flow, liquid injections with

0:29:36.800 --> 0:29:41.160
<v Speaker 2>various ingredients. Hook used warmed honey that he wriggled in

0:29:41.200 --> 0:29:45.600
<v Speaker 2>his ear. Okay, yeah, I feel like that would attract bugs.

0:29:45.840 --> 0:29:48.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah honey. Yeah sounds real sticky.

0:29:48.320 --> 0:29:51.840
<v Speaker 2>It sounds sticky the logic. But he used it warmed

0:29:52.520 --> 0:29:54.960
<v Speaker 2>and that you know, I'm not saying that that's any better.

0:29:55.120 --> 0:29:58.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying that that logic of warming something that

0:29:59.040 --> 0:30:02.680
<v Speaker 2>heat to help remove earwax that held support in the

0:30:02.760 --> 0:30:05.200
<v Speaker 2>lab actually is where it was found to be supported.

0:30:05.320 --> 0:30:08.280
<v Speaker 2>In the late seventeen hundreds, a chemist who had become

0:30:08.360 --> 0:30:11.800
<v Speaker 2>interested in the topic. He had a friend with prodigious

0:30:12.000 --> 0:30:14.520
<v Speaker 2>ear wax production. I think it was the same guy

0:30:14.560 --> 0:30:18.200
<v Speaker 2>who did the black velvet ear wax extremes, Okay, And

0:30:18.400 --> 0:30:21.120
<v Speaker 2>he supplied the chemist with heaps of earwax, and he

0:30:21.560 --> 0:30:24.840
<v Speaker 2>discovered that it hardened over time, it melted with heat,

0:30:24.880 --> 0:30:26.080
<v Speaker 2>and it dissolved in water.

0:30:26.400 --> 0:30:29.440
<v Speaker 1>Makes sense. So yeah, do you know what's also interesting

0:30:29.440 --> 0:30:33.120
<v Speaker 1>about warm things in your ear versus cold? This is

0:30:33.120 --> 0:30:36.160
<v Speaker 1>like a separate topic entirely. But if you put cold

0:30:36.200 --> 0:30:38.240
<v Speaker 1>water in your ear, Like if you used cold water

0:30:38.360 --> 0:30:41.480
<v Speaker 1>to try and juj out your ear wax instead of

0:30:41.520 --> 0:30:45.200
<v Speaker 1>warm water, it would make you super dizzy. It would

0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:48.719
<v Speaker 1>give us really really wild vertigo because it does a

0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:52.080
<v Speaker 1>weird thing that messes with your inner ear. Cold water

0:30:52.160 --> 0:30:56.440
<v Speaker 1>versus warm water. Why I don't it's a different episode

0:30:57.840 --> 0:31:01.080
<v Speaker 1>next week, next not next week, next week.

0:31:01.200 --> 0:31:09.200
<v Speaker 2>Next week, we're doing cholesterol colors. But when all l's fails,

0:31:09.440 --> 0:31:15.320
<v Speaker 2>any of your honey, whatever situations fail, there's always physical removal.

0:31:15.560 --> 0:31:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:31:16.080 --> 0:31:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Ear spoons or ear scoops were popular devices, and what

0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:23.280
<v Speaker 2>was appealing about these tools was that you could just

0:31:23.320 --> 0:31:25.280
<v Speaker 2>own one yourself and you didn't have to seek out

0:31:25.280 --> 0:31:27.840
<v Speaker 2>a doctor. If you're like, hey, I you know, can

0:31:27.880 --> 0:31:30.120
<v Speaker 2>you clean my ear out? No, you didn't have to

0:31:30.160 --> 0:31:33.600
<v Speaker 2>do that. Ear scoops have been around for millennia, as

0:31:33.600 --> 0:31:38.800
<v Speaker 2>evidenced by historical writings and archaeological finds. But similar to

0:31:38.880 --> 0:31:41.120
<v Speaker 2>the way there are just so many parallels between earwax

0:31:41.160 --> 0:31:45.240
<v Speaker 2>and boogers. So with boogers, you know, I talked about handkerchiefs,

0:31:45.240 --> 0:31:48.880
<v Speaker 2>and they became status symbols and they transcended their role

0:31:49.000 --> 0:31:55.000
<v Speaker 2>as just a snotrag. A market of decorative grooming tools grew,

0:31:55.480 --> 0:31:58.600
<v Speaker 2>and there are examples of these really intricately and ornately

0:31:58.800 --> 0:32:03.959
<v Speaker 2>carved earpicks and ear scoops. Really yeah, little ear scoop,

0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:06.600
<v Speaker 2>beautiful ear scoops. There's one. There's a paper you can

0:32:06.640 --> 0:32:08.720
<v Speaker 2>see an image of this. There was one that was

0:32:08.720 --> 0:32:11.920
<v Speaker 2>found at Jamestown, the English colony established in what is

0:32:12.000 --> 0:32:14.280
<v Speaker 2>now Virginia in sixteen oh seven, and in like the

0:32:14.320 --> 0:32:18.680
<v Speaker 2>first iteration of that town, they found in archaeological digs

0:32:19.200 --> 0:32:22.920
<v Speaker 2>a combination toothpick and ear scoop. It's shaped like a dolphin,

0:32:23.000 --> 0:32:26.280
<v Speaker 2>and so the toothpick part comes out of its little mouth,

0:32:26.320 --> 0:32:28.320
<v Speaker 2>and then there's an ear scoop coming out of its

0:32:28.320 --> 0:32:31.720
<v Speaker 2>tail wo and then it has a little loop on

0:32:31.760 --> 0:32:33.840
<v Speaker 2>its back, and so you could wear it as a

0:32:33.880 --> 0:32:38.080
<v Speaker 2>necklace what and carry it around with a little ear scoop.

0:32:38.720 --> 0:32:39.320
<v Speaker 2>Who knew?

0:32:39.840 --> 0:32:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Who knew? I definitely did not know.

0:32:41.920 --> 0:32:44.360
<v Speaker 2>That I did not, And also I was like, dolphin,

0:32:44.480 --> 0:32:48.880
<v Speaker 2>why why a dolphin? Yeah? And apparently sea creatures were

0:32:48.880 --> 0:32:52.200
<v Speaker 2>featured heavily in jewelry and decorative items at the time

0:32:52.280 --> 0:32:56.400
<v Speaker 2>because maritime supremacy was blossoming in England. And I just

0:32:56.520 --> 0:32:59.600
<v Speaker 2>was like, that's very that's very interesting, because there was

0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:03.120
<v Speaker 2>another ear scoop found somewhere in England that was similar

0:33:03.200 --> 0:33:05.440
<v Speaker 2>and they were like, we think it's a dolphin, it

0:33:05.560 --> 0:33:09.440
<v Speaker 2>might be a fish, it's some sort of marine or creature. Yeah,

0:33:11.280 --> 0:33:14.560
<v Speaker 2>but these ear scoop tools also signify that earwax was

0:33:14.600 --> 0:33:17.720
<v Speaker 2>not solely relegated to the realm of medicine. Everyone was

0:33:17.880 --> 0:33:20.560
<v Speaker 2>individually concerned with it. It was just a routine part

0:33:20.560 --> 0:33:23.240
<v Speaker 2>of life to clean out your ears, and those who

0:33:23.280 --> 0:33:26.200
<v Speaker 2>could afford to do so often had their ears cleaned

0:33:26.200 --> 0:33:29.040
<v Speaker 2>out by a barber who use special tools to scoop

0:33:29.080 --> 0:33:32.160
<v Speaker 2>out any crud there. And this is referenced in place.

0:33:32.280 --> 0:33:34.680
<v Speaker 2>So there's a play I believe from the seventeen hundreds

0:33:34.680 --> 0:33:37.680
<v Speaker 2>where a soldier worries that the king has had his

0:33:37.800 --> 0:33:40.720
<v Speaker 2>ears picked too much, and so he has no protection

0:33:40.840 --> 0:33:47.880
<v Speaker 2>from flies, from earwigs and from flattery. He's like, anyone

0:33:47.920 --> 0:33:49.880
<v Speaker 2>has the ear of the king with his ears cleaned

0:33:49.920 --> 0:33:50.960
<v Speaker 2>of earwax.

0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:53.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, that's so funny, hilarious.

0:33:53.880 --> 0:33:58.640
<v Speaker 2>And there are occasionally hints at the recognition that earwax

0:33:58.680 --> 0:34:02.040
<v Speaker 2>holds some value, like the situation that I just described

0:34:02.080 --> 0:34:04.240
<v Speaker 2>where it's like, well, we need some ear wax there.

0:34:04.600 --> 0:34:07.960
<v Speaker 2>Mostly it was considered a waste product or junk, as

0:34:08.000 --> 0:34:09.040
<v Speaker 2>you put it, junk.

0:34:10.640 --> 0:34:12.000
<v Speaker 1>So sorry for calling it.

0:34:12.000 --> 0:34:17.160
<v Speaker 2>That, I accept. I accept your apology. And so. For instance,

0:34:17.239 --> 0:34:21.440
<v Speaker 2>in Shakespeare's Troilis and Cressida, Agamemnon is described as not

0:34:21.640 --> 0:34:29.719
<v Speaker 2>having quote so much brain as earwax. Quote devastating, devastating. Yeah,

0:34:29.840 --> 0:34:35.200
<v Speaker 2>put that in your back pocket. Yeah right. In reality, however,

0:34:35.280 --> 0:34:39.200
<v Speaker 2>earwax held far more uses than I would have guessed. So,

0:34:39.239 --> 0:34:42.960
<v Speaker 2>for instance, in the American Frugal Housewife, which was written

0:34:42.960 --> 0:34:47.080
<v Speaker 2>by Lydia Child in eighteen thirty two, holds ear wax

0:34:47.200 --> 0:34:51.160
<v Speaker 2>in quite high regard. What quote, nothing is better than

0:34:51.200 --> 0:34:54.720
<v Speaker 2>earwax to prevent the painful effects resulting from a wound

0:34:54.800 --> 0:34:57.799
<v Speaker 2>by a nail skewer, et cetera. It should be put

0:34:57.840 --> 0:35:01.000
<v Speaker 2>on as soon as possible. Those who are troubled with

0:35:01.120 --> 0:35:05.280
<v Speaker 2>cracked lips have found this remedy successful when others have failed.

0:35:06.239 --> 0:35:09.279
<v Speaker 2>It is one of those sorts of cures which are

0:35:09.400 --> 0:35:11.960
<v Speaker 2>very likely to be laughed at. But I know of

0:35:12.040 --> 0:35:16.680
<v Speaker 2>it's having produced very beneficial results. So she's using it

0:35:16.719 --> 0:35:18.960
<v Speaker 2>as vacine, using it as chapstick.

0:35:19.040 --> 0:35:24.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, taking out the ear wax, put it on your cuts. Literally,

0:35:24.239 --> 0:35:26.319
<v Speaker 1>I have like an aqua force stick that I do

0:35:26.400 --> 0:35:30.879
<v Speaker 1>that with, not earwax. Okay, yeah, uh huh yeah, ear

0:35:30.880 --> 0:35:33.440
<v Speaker 1>wax on your lips. I don't know if I'm going

0:35:33.480 --> 0:35:34.040
<v Speaker 1>to try that.

0:35:34.239 --> 0:35:35.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't. I mean, you can.

0:35:35.840 --> 0:35:39.280
<v Speaker 1>You're certainly entitled to got enough earwax, that's for sure.

0:35:39.480 --> 0:35:41.960
<v Speaker 2>I feel like I'm a super producer as well. Me too.

0:35:42.040 --> 0:35:45.160
<v Speaker 1>I've always felt that way, saying what are you gonna

0:35:45.160 --> 0:35:45.600
<v Speaker 1>do about it?

0:35:45.600 --> 0:35:47.239
<v Speaker 2>It's just it's life. It's life.

0:35:47.480 --> 0:35:50.720
<v Speaker 1>Like you know, we probably make a very typical amount

0:35:50.719 --> 0:35:51.200
<v Speaker 1>of ear wax.

0:35:51.360 --> 0:35:53.120
<v Speaker 2>We probably do. We probably do.

0:35:54.600 --> 0:35:58.080
<v Speaker 1>They're probably not special in any way. No wear earwax.

0:35:58.239 --> 0:36:02.600
<v Speaker 2>No, we'll see. I mean, maybe somebody will do a

0:36:02.640 --> 0:36:09.160
<v Speaker 2>paper and we'll revisit this topic and discover our specialness. Okay,

0:36:09.200 --> 0:36:12.279
<v Speaker 2>So I didn't see it mentioned in The American Frugal Housewife,

0:36:12.320 --> 0:36:14.759
<v Speaker 2>but the author may have also been familiar with the

0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:19.120
<v Speaker 2>common practice of using earwax while stitching and sewing. It's

0:36:19.200 --> 0:36:22.640
<v Speaker 2>really great at keeping the ends of cut thread from unraveling.

0:36:22.719 --> 0:36:23.880
<v Speaker 1>I could see that, actually.

0:36:24.200 --> 0:36:27.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And so in fact, there are some bodkins which

0:36:27.840 --> 0:36:31.040
<v Speaker 2>are these like large blunted needles with a big eye

0:36:31.040 --> 0:36:33.399
<v Speaker 2>to hold ribbon, kind of like a tapestry needle you'd

0:36:33.480 --> 0:36:37.040
<v Speaker 2>use to sew to weaven ends, but like bigger. Yeah,

0:36:37.080 --> 0:36:39.720
<v Speaker 2>some of these have ear scoops on the end of them.

0:36:39.840 --> 0:36:41.839
<v Speaker 1>So that you can scoop and then use it for

0:36:41.920 --> 0:36:44.720
<v Speaker 1>your best is so interesting.

0:36:44.360 --> 0:36:48.480
<v Speaker 2>Right wow. Ear wax was also favored by many artists,

0:36:48.520 --> 0:36:51.080
<v Speaker 2>who used it to help bind pigment to the paper

0:36:51.280 --> 0:36:54.120
<v Speaker 2>or other surfaces they were working on. So I asked

0:36:54.120 --> 0:36:56.680
<v Speaker 2>you to find a paper for me because I couldn't

0:36:56.719 --> 0:37:00.759
<v Speaker 2>find it. And this is what this is what was

0:37:00.800 --> 0:37:03.400
<v Speaker 2>inside that paper. Okay, I didn't read it, Okay, okay,

0:37:03.440 --> 0:37:08.080
<v Speaker 2>good spoilers. Yeah. So you know illuminated manuscripts, those beautiful

0:37:08.120 --> 0:37:12.319
<v Speaker 2>books with intricate color, colorful decorations or illustrations around the side,

0:37:12.480 --> 0:37:15.759
<v Speaker 2>and they were like all hand drawn and everything. The

0:37:15.760 --> 0:37:17.640
<v Speaker 2>Book of Kel's is a famous one if you want

0:37:17.680 --> 0:37:20.840
<v Speaker 2>to look up, like a really exceptionally beautiful example. But

0:37:20.920 --> 0:37:25.440
<v Speaker 2>apparently many illustrators of these manuscripts were regular users of

0:37:25.520 --> 0:37:29.960
<v Speaker 2>earwax to prevent bubbles from forming in their metallic paint mixtures.

0:37:30.200 --> 0:37:33.400
<v Speaker 2>What and so the author of a paper that I

0:37:33.440 --> 0:37:36.600
<v Speaker 2>read about this actually tried it out himself. He made

0:37:36.600 --> 0:37:42.040
<v Speaker 2>a couple of bronze pigment egg white mixtures, one that

0:37:42.160 --> 0:37:45.080
<v Speaker 2>had earwax added to it and one without. You mix

0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:47.400
<v Speaker 2>them together. Of course egg white's going to create bubbles

0:37:47.920 --> 0:37:50.000
<v Speaker 2>and it's and he was like, yeah, there were fewer

0:37:50.040 --> 0:37:52.480
<v Speaker 2>bubbles in the earwax one. And then he used it

0:37:52.520 --> 0:37:57.040
<v Speaker 2>to like paint. I think UCSF it was the example.

0:37:57.800 --> 0:38:00.480
<v Speaker 2>It must have been, that must have been where he was. Yeah,

0:38:00.520 --> 0:38:03.120
<v Speaker 2>but one that so he compared the one that had

0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:05.520
<v Speaker 2>ear wax and the one that didn't, and you can

0:38:05.719 --> 0:38:08.319
<v Speaker 2>kind of see that the one with ear wax is

0:38:08.440 --> 0:38:12.760
<v Speaker 2>smoother and the color seems more consistent. So any artists

0:38:12.760 --> 0:38:15.560
<v Speaker 2>who are out there listening who've been struggling blending ear

0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:18.719
<v Speaker 2>or egg whites into paints, try it to have a

0:38:18.760 --> 0:38:21.360
<v Speaker 2>ear wax, let us know, let us know how it goes.

0:38:21.800 --> 0:38:24.920
<v Speaker 1>They probably use like artificial things now that are just

0:38:25.280 --> 0:38:27.000
<v Speaker 1>that have waxes in them or whatever.

0:38:27.080 --> 0:38:29.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you might not eat ear wax, like get purpose.

0:38:29.840 --> 0:38:32.840
<v Speaker 1>Did that guy use his own ear wax or someone else's.

0:38:32.400 --> 0:38:33.560
<v Speaker 2>I believe he used his own.

0:38:33.960 --> 0:38:36.560
<v Speaker 1>Interesting. I wonder if it depends, like if it got

0:38:36.640 --> 0:38:39.200
<v Speaker 1>to be wet ear wax or is dry ear wax okay?

0:38:39.360 --> 0:38:42.960
<v Speaker 2>Right? Which I mean? So that's a great question. I

0:38:43.000 --> 0:38:46.120
<v Speaker 2>think he I think, I mean he said he had

0:38:46.120 --> 0:38:50.120
<v Speaker 2>wet earwax, okay, But I don't know if he experimented.

0:38:50.880 --> 0:38:53.440
<v Speaker 2>That could be another Bat'll be another paper, other paper,

0:38:53.600 --> 0:38:56.839
<v Speaker 2>someone someone get a master's thesis at the very least, right.

0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:04.680
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's a more powerful resource than I expected. Rich,

0:39:04.800 --> 0:39:07.600
<v Speaker 2>not just in the application of the stuff itself, but

0:39:07.640 --> 0:39:11.520
<v Speaker 2>also what it can tell us about ourselves. So Aarin,

0:39:11.560 --> 0:39:14.240
<v Speaker 2>you mentioned that there are basically two types of earwax

0:39:14.280 --> 0:39:17.200
<v Speaker 2>and humans, dry and wet, and there might be some

0:39:17.480 --> 0:39:19.799
<v Speaker 2>that fall in between, but for the most part, the

0:39:19.840 --> 0:39:23.560
<v Speaker 2>distinction seems to be pretty clear, like pretty night and day,

0:39:23.920 --> 0:39:26.720
<v Speaker 2>and it is strongly associated with ancestry, like you mentioned,

0:39:26.760 --> 0:39:30.160
<v Speaker 2>So people with East Asian ancestry tend to have dry earwax,

0:39:30.200 --> 0:39:33.719
<v Speaker 2>those of European and African ancestry have wet earwax, and

0:39:33.760 --> 0:39:38.600
<v Speaker 2>those who have Southern Asian Pacific Islands, Central Asian, Native

0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:42.520
<v Speaker 2>North American, and Inuit have intermediate proportions of wet and dry.

0:39:42.760 --> 0:39:43.160
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

0:39:43.160 --> 0:39:47.160
<v Speaker 2>Interesting, Yeah, And this observation first started to garner attention

0:39:47.280 --> 0:39:50.880
<v Speaker 2>around the mid twentieth century, and researchers made note of

0:39:50.920 --> 0:39:54.560
<v Speaker 2>a couple of things. It was also associated with armpit odor,

0:39:55.120 --> 0:39:59.959
<v Speaker 2>So those who have wet earwax have much more odoriferous pits,

0:40:00.320 --> 0:40:04.319
<v Speaker 2>we have stinkyr armpit have stinky pits, agreed, And it

0:40:04.400 --> 0:40:08.759
<v Speaker 2>seemed to follow a pretty straightforward pattern of inheritance. And

0:40:09.040 --> 0:40:11.959
<v Speaker 2>just how straightforward was determined in two thousand and six,

0:40:12.280 --> 0:40:14.640
<v Speaker 2>and this is when researchers publish their results that the

0:40:14.719 --> 0:40:19.120
<v Speaker 2>difference between dry and wet earwax was down to one

0:40:19.400 --> 0:40:23.759
<v Speaker 2>letter change in one gene of our DNA, one single

0:40:23.880 --> 0:40:25.720
<v Speaker 2>nucleotide polymorphism.

0:40:26.160 --> 0:40:27.040
<v Speaker 1>That's so weird.

0:40:27.360 --> 0:40:32.760
<v Speaker 2>Yes, just one nucleotide changes earwax composition and has strong

0:40:32.800 --> 0:40:34.640
<v Speaker 2>associations with armput odor.

0:40:38.120 --> 0:40:40.680
<v Speaker 1>And the drier earwax is well, and that makes sense

0:40:40.680 --> 0:40:43.759
<v Speaker 1>because it's all apricrine gland secretions, right, which is like

0:40:43.800 --> 0:40:47.279
<v Speaker 1>what your armpit odor is, why that is there and

0:40:47.480 --> 0:40:49.000
<v Speaker 1>your earwax your earwax.

0:40:49.640 --> 0:40:53.560
<v Speaker 2>And it follows this dominant recessive Mendelian inheritance, which is

0:40:53.560 --> 0:40:56.520
<v Speaker 2>the thing that you learn about in school and it's basic,

0:40:57.480 --> 0:41:00.360
<v Speaker 2>basic jicks. But you so, if you have two copies

0:41:00.640 --> 0:41:04.000
<v Speaker 2>of the G version, which is the wet earwax version

0:41:04.160 --> 0:41:06.480
<v Speaker 2>or one G in one a wet earwax. But if

0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:08.880
<v Speaker 2>you have two copies of the A version that's the

0:41:09.560 --> 0:41:13.000
<v Speaker 2>nucleotide substitution, then you have dry.

0:41:13.120 --> 0:41:15.000
<v Speaker 1>Earwax and you're less stinky, and you're.

0:41:14.880 --> 0:41:17.200
<v Speaker 2>Less stinky, and so for context, I feel like eye

0:41:17.200 --> 0:41:20.680
<v Speaker 2>color is often taught as a simple Mendelian trait involves

0:41:20.719 --> 0:41:24.799
<v Speaker 2>at least sixteen genes, if not more. Yeah, yeah, but

0:41:25.160 --> 0:41:27.600
<v Speaker 2>this is very interesting and I didn't go down this

0:41:27.719 --> 0:41:31.120
<v Speaker 2>rabbit hole. But in addition to being associated with earwax

0:41:31.160 --> 0:41:34.360
<v Speaker 2>type and armpit odor, this same letter swap might be

0:41:34.400 --> 0:41:38.279
<v Speaker 2>associated with the amount of colostrum produced, with people with

0:41:38.400 --> 0:41:40.960
<v Speaker 2>dry earwax producing less colostrum.

0:41:41.440 --> 0:41:45.400
<v Speaker 1>Fascinating. Yeah, also apricin glands.

0:41:45.239 --> 0:41:50.760
<v Speaker 2>Exactly, So like what yeah, yeah, how interesting. So does

0:41:51.000 --> 0:41:54.239
<v Speaker 2>earwax type matter or was it just like a random

0:41:54.320 --> 0:41:58.760
<v Speaker 2>mutation that's spread And it seems like it might actually matter,

0:41:59.200 --> 0:42:02.080
<v Speaker 2>although it's unclear why. So. Some researchers suggest that it

0:42:02.120 --> 0:42:05.000
<v Speaker 2>could be because of the cold. As humans migrated out

0:42:05.000 --> 0:42:08.239
<v Speaker 2>of Africa and spread across Eurasia, cold temperatures would have

0:42:08.280 --> 0:42:11.680
<v Speaker 2>had would have been a strong selection pressure and So

0:42:11.719 --> 0:42:16.319
<v Speaker 2>the dry earwax phoenotype emerged around forty five thousand years

0:42:16.360 --> 0:42:19.759
<v Speaker 2>ago in North and east North or East Asia, where

0:42:19.800 --> 0:42:22.920
<v Speaker 2>it was colder, and it's thought that maybe the reduced

0:42:22.920 --> 0:42:26.160
<v Speaker 2>sweating could have been an advantage or the reduced stinking.

0:42:26.800 --> 0:42:29.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't yeah, I don't know. But in any case,

0:42:29.719 --> 0:42:33.160
<v Speaker 2>like what these researchers have proposed is that because it's

0:42:33.160 --> 0:42:36.840
<v Speaker 2>so widespread, it seems like there is some positive selection.

0:42:37.120 --> 0:42:39.480
<v Speaker 2>It seems like it was like this is selected for it,

0:42:39.640 --> 0:42:41.440
<v Speaker 2>not just like it happened to spread.

0:42:41.480 --> 0:42:44.880
<v Speaker 1>Right, not just random, because it's too too prevalent for that.

0:42:45.080 --> 0:42:49.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, that's that's the idea. How interesting, Okay, So

0:42:50.160 --> 0:42:53.200
<v Speaker 2>earwax can tell us about human migration, it can be

0:42:53.280 --> 0:42:57.640
<v Speaker 2>used as a lip bomb. It's great if you're illustrating

0:42:57.680 --> 0:43:01.880
<v Speaker 2>a medieval illuminated manuscript, and it can be analyzed to

0:43:01.880 --> 0:43:04.839
<v Speaker 2>tell us about the individual that produced it. So there's

0:43:04.920 --> 0:43:09.080
<v Speaker 2>some interest, and I don't know how much interest in

0:43:09.080 --> 0:43:15.000
<v Speaker 2>in the forensic applications of earwax analysis, things like tobacco exposure,

0:43:15.320 --> 0:43:20.000
<v Speaker 2>cortisol levels, et cetera, stuff like that in your earwax.

0:43:20.640 --> 0:43:23.640
<v Speaker 2>And so there's there's more. I mean, because your ear

0:43:23.640 --> 0:43:24.560
<v Speaker 2>wax is also like.

0:43:25.120 --> 0:43:28.000
<v Speaker 1>It's being exposed, just like you no right to the

0:43:28.000 --> 0:43:30.839
<v Speaker 1>outside world. Yes, you're getting other junk stuck in your

0:43:30.960 --> 0:43:35.960
<v Speaker 1>That's why I say junk erin defending myself.

0:43:37.040 --> 0:43:42.120
<v Speaker 2>Debris. You didn't know about chapstick and right idea. Now

0:43:42.160 --> 0:43:47.160
<v Speaker 2>that you know, you won't make that same mistake. But

0:43:47.280 --> 0:43:53.799
<v Speaker 2>that's just the uses of human earwax. Oh oh yeah,

0:43:53.920 --> 0:43:57.960
<v Speaker 2>because humans are not the only producers of this glorious stuff.

0:43:58.719 --> 0:44:08.320
<v Speaker 2>Seruminous glands the glass that produce earwax are widespread among mammals, dogs, raccoons, pigs, goats, foxes, cats, whales, whales.

0:44:08.960 --> 0:44:16.200
<v Speaker 2>Whales have ears. Oh yeah, okay, there are some fascinating

0:44:16.239 --> 0:44:24.120
<v Speaker 2>papers on whale cetacean hearing that I really enjoyed. Okay, yeah, okay, whales.

0:44:24.640 --> 0:44:28.840
<v Speaker 2>So this is now we've arrived at the last and

0:44:28.960 --> 0:44:31.680
<v Speaker 2>my personal favorite chapter in the air wax story.

0:44:32.040 --> 0:44:32.399
<v Speaker 1>Me too.

0:44:33.400 --> 0:44:37.840
<v Speaker 2>All cetaceans, whales, dolphins, porpoises evolved from a land dwelling,

0:44:37.920 --> 0:44:42.040
<v Speaker 2>carnivorous cat like creature that began its aquatic journey around

0:44:42.040 --> 0:44:45.600
<v Speaker 2>fifty million years ago. Going from land to water is

0:44:45.640 --> 0:44:48.800
<v Speaker 2>a heck of a transition, and so many different aspects

0:44:48.800 --> 0:44:51.960
<v Speaker 2>of anatomy and physiology had to change to allow for

0:44:52.000 --> 0:44:56.080
<v Speaker 2>that to happen. Like hearing, which in land dwellers is

0:44:56.120 --> 0:45:00.600
<v Speaker 2>done using air adapted ears, when whales evolve of those

0:45:00.640 --> 0:45:05.160
<v Speaker 2>ears and they're hearing more generally adapted to an aquatic environment,

0:45:05.560 --> 0:45:08.279
<v Speaker 2>but the canals and the wax that they produced did

0:45:08.320 --> 0:45:15.200
<v Speaker 2>not simply disappear. Instead, bayleen whales keep producing ear wax

0:45:15.480 --> 0:45:20.560
<v Speaker 2>that accumulates over their entire life, rather than getting continuously

0:45:20.600 --> 0:45:21.800
<v Speaker 2>expelled like ours.

0:45:22.160 --> 0:45:25.759
<v Speaker 1>What yeah, what does that do?

0:45:26.000 --> 0:45:30.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay? Over time, these waxy layers form an earplug that

0:45:31.040 --> 0:45:34.440
<v Speaker 2>is centimeters long, like twenty five centimeters in one adult

0:45:34.480 --> 0:45:40.839
<v Speaker 2>male blue whale. A long whale earplug. You can look

0:45:40.920 --> 0:45:44.719
<v Speaker 2>up pictures of these. I will, yes, okay, but that's

0:45:44.719 --> 0:45:47.040
<v Speaker 2>not even the coolest part, Like it just keeps getting cooler.

0:45:47.760 --> 0:45:50.719
<v Speaker 2>What is amazing about these layers is that they're distinct,

0:45:51.120 --> 0:45:54.239
<v Speaker 2>about two formed every year, so they're predictable in their

0:45:54.400 --> 0:45:59.279
<v Speaker 2>deposition stop it, and their color corresponds to times of

0:45:59.360 --> 0:46:04.120
<v Speaker 2>like feeding migration. People have used these ear plugs to

0:46:04.280 --> 0:46:08.040
<v Speaker 2>estimate the age of whales like tree rings, tree rings,

0:46:08.080 --> 0:46:11.000
<v Speaker 2>and that's they've used this for a while. But what

0:46:11.040 --> 0:46:15.359
<v Speaker 2>they're doing now is even cooler than that. Researchers are

0:46:15.440 --> 0:46:21.320
<v Speaker 2>using these ear plugs to detect layer specific levels of hormones, contaminants,

0:46:21.360 --> 0:46:24.319
<v Speaker 2>and other compounds, and so you end up getting a

0:46:24.400 --> 0:46:28.600
<v Speaker 2>more detailed picture of what a whale's entire life was. Like,

0:46:29.960 --> 0:46:33.520
<v Speaker 2>what time is this where you thought this would go?

0:46:33.960 --> 0:46:34.040
<v Speaker 1>No?

0:46:34.800 --> 0:46:38.319
<v Speaker 2>No, I know, I was so excited when I was

0:46:38.360 --> 0:46:42.600
<v Speaker 2>reading these papers. So, for instance, there was a blue,

0:46:42.600 --> 0:46:44.480
<v Speaker 2>a male blue whale that was killed in a boat

0:46:44.480 --> 0:46:48.279
<v Speaker 2>collision and was found to be around twelve years old.

0:46:48.400 --> 0:46:53.480
<v Speaker 2>Based on these the earplug, his testosterone spiked enormously a

0:46:53.520 --> 0:46:56.360
<v Speaker 2>couple years prior, which is when he reached sexual maturity,

0:46:57.080 --> 0:47:01.239
<v Speaker 2>and his corticol increased over his lifetime, and most of

0:47:01.280 --> 0:47:04.520
<v Speaker 2>the contaminants that he was exposed to occurred in the

0:47:04.560 --> 0:47:08.919
<v Speaker 2>first six months of his life, which suggested transfer through

0:47:09.080 --> 0:47:12.160
<v Speaker 2>gestation and lactation, which is really depressing.

0:47:12.600 --> 0:47:13.360
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:47:13.480 --> 0:47:17.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Okay, that's just one whale.

0:47:17.280 --> 0:47:19.200
<v Speaker 1>One whale, one ear plug.

0:47:19.040 --> 0:47:21.680
<v Speaker 2>One ear plug, And as it turns out, people have

0:47:21.800 --> 0:47:25.800
<v Speaker 2>been collecting and preserving whale ear plugs for decades.

0:47:26.040 --> 0:47:27.400
<v Speaker 1>Just should surprise me, I know.

0:47:27.480 --> 0:47:31.279
<v Speaker 2>Shout out to natural history museums, to collections like we

0:47:31.320 --> 0:47:34.759
<v Speaker 2>can learn so much it's been unbelievable. And so that

0:47:34.880 --> 0:47:37.160
<v Speaker 2>same research group who did this study on this single

0:47:37.239 --> 0:47:41.360
<v Speaker 2>male blue whale looked at cortisol levels in twenty preserved

0:47:41.360 --> 0:47:47.040
<v Speaker 2>whale ear plugs collected from eighteen seventy to twenty sixteen. Wow,

0:47:47.440 --> 0:47:52.200
<v Speaker 2>And they found that cortisol was which is associated with stress. Yeah,

0:47:52.239 --> 0:47:54.200
<v Speaker 2>it's one of our stress hormones, one of our stress hormones.

0:47:54.280 --> 0:47:56.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. They found so essential for life functioning, like it

0:47:56.760 --> 0:47:59.440
<v Speaker 1>is essentral life to be alive, right, yeah, right, yeah.

0:48:00.000 --> 0:48:03.640
<v Speaker 2>And what they found was that cortisol was pretty closely

0:48:03.719 --> 0:48:08.040
<v Speaker 2>tied to whaling counts, as in years where more whales

0:48:08.080 --> 0:48:11.400
<v Speaker 2>were hunted were more stressful for whales. So the higher

0:48:11.440 --> 0:48:13.799
<v Speaker 2>the whaling count, the higher and above whales killed, the

0:48:13.920 --> 0:48:17.000
<v Speaker 2>higher the cortisol level and the whale in the whale

0:48:17.000 --> 0:48:20.560
<v Speaker 2>earplugs they collected. The exception is World War Two, when

0:48:20.600 --> 0:48:24.000
<v Speaker 2>whaling counts were low but stress was high, no doubt

0:48:24.239 --> 0:48:27.560
<v Speaker 2>due to the war also being explosions and submuntins and

0:48:27.600 --> 0:48:32.440
<v Speaker 2>all that. And this relationship was especially pronounced in the

0:48:32.560 --> 0:48:36.160
<v Speaker 2>years following nineteen seventy two, when the Marine Mammal Protection

0:48:36.239 --> 0:48:39.200
<v Speaker 2>Act was passed just a big drop in cortisol levels.

0:48:39.719 --> 0:48:44.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow. And that drop remained fairly low until you

0:48:44.680 --> 0:48:48.880
<v Speaker 2>get to the past few decades where courtisol increases again

0:48:49.239 --> 0:48:55.800
<v Speaker 2>in certain years. Why abnormally warm sea surface temperatures.

0:48:55.200 --> 0:48:58.360
<v Speaker 1>In those years to global warming? Yeah, yep.

0:48:59.040 --> 0:49:02.400
<v Speaker 2>And the relationship between this is just like it is

0:49:03.719 --> 0:49:08.560
<v Speaker 2>it's very grim, right, Like this research is so grim,

0:49:08.640 --> 0:49:10.080
<v Speaker 2>but it is vital.

0:49:10.440 --> 0:49:10.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:49:10.880 --> 0:49:13.920
<v Speaker 2>These earplugs are able to show us something that has

0:49:13.960 --> 0:49:17.320
<v Speaker 2>been kind of hard to measure in certain populations or

0:49:17.320 --> 0:49:21.280
<v Speaker 2>in certain situations especially, I mean, cetaceans are incredibly difficult,

0:49:21.640 --> 0:49:25.880
<v Speaker 2>so hard to study long term as well, and so

0:49:26.040 --> 0:49:29.840
<v Speaker 2>these ear plugs being able to show us the non

0:49:30.000 --> 0:49:36.839
<v Speaker 2>lethal human impact on organisms is incredibly important and tell

0:49:36.920 --> 0:49:42.560
<v Speaker 2>you so much, yes, like oh wow, yeah, so will

0:49:42.600 --> 0:49:48.200
<v Speaker 2>we do anything with that information that's remaining? But that

0:49:48.360 --> 0:49:52.200
<v Speaker 2>is all that I have on earwas wow.

0:49:51.960 --> 0:49:57.800
<v Speaker 1>And I have not thought about whale ears.

0:49:58.680 --> 0:50:01.839
<v Speaker 2>Okay, there are some papers and there is a researcher.

0:50:02.160 --> 0:50:04.719
<v Speaker 2>I watched a video of hers on I think it

0:50:04.760 --> 0:50:07.040
<v Speaker 2>was like an old PBS video or something like that,

0:50:07.120 --> 0:50:11.960
<v Speaker 2>and she was so engaging and wonderful and I just

0:50:12.040 --> 0:50:14.320
<v Speaker 2>I really liked it. There was one of the papers

0:50:14.320 --> 0:50:15.920
<v Speaker 2>I will shout out at the kind as soon as

0:50:15.960 --> 0:50:16.759
<v Speaker 2>I find the name of it.

0:50:16.840 --> 0:50:19.000
<v Speaker 1>But I love it. Their ears are just like flat,

0:50:19.120 --> 0:50:20.160
<v Speaker 1>just like holes, right.

0:50:20.360 --> 0:50:22.680
<v Speaker 2>They're small, but then they use a lot of like

0:50:22.880 --> 0:50:25.799
<v Speaker 2>jaw fat or something like that that absorbed and I

0:50:25.840 --> 0:50:28.640
<v Speaker 2>didn't I yeah, I should have spent more time learning

0:50:28.680 --> 0:50:30.640
<v Speaker 2>about ear or whale hearing overall.

0:50:30.719 --> 0:50:33.240
<v Speaker 1>But okay, this wasn't an episode about hearing. I didn't

0:50:33.280 --> 0:50:34.319
<v Speaker 1>talk about hearing at all.

0:50:34.480 --> 0:50:35.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:50:35.200 --> 0:50:40.040
<v Speaker 1>How interesting though, Yeah, wow, I want to know so

0:50:40.120 --> 0:50:45.000
<v Speaker 1>much more. People can learn more, which aware can learn more.

0:50:46.600 --> 0:50:49.560
<v Speaker 2>I have a bunch of sources all over the place,

0:50:50.040 --> 0:50:51.799
<v Speaker 2>but I'm going to shout out a few here. If

0:50:51.800 --> 0:50:54.480
<v Speaker 2>you want to learn more about hearing in wales overall,

0:50:54.880 --> 0:50:58.239
<v Speaker 2>there's Darlene Kenton is the researcher that I was thinking of.

0:50:58.320 --> 0:51:00.239
<v Speaker 2>And there's a paper from nineteen ninety seven that I

0:51:00.360 --> 0:51:04.759
<v Speaker 2>liked called Structure and Function in Whale Ears. And then

0:51:04.880 --> 0:51:07.600
<v Speaker 2>if you want to check out that paper on the

0:51:07.640 --> 0:51:11.560
<v Speaker 2>whale cortisol levels over time, there's a paper by trumble

0:51:11.680 --> 0:51:15.720
<v Speaker 2>at All from twenty eighteen called Baleen Whale cortisol levels

0:51:15.760 --> 0:51:20.319
<v Speaker 2>reveal a physiological response to twentieth century whaling and then

0:51:20.440 --> 0:51:23.839
<v Speaker 2>a couple more. So there's that paper about wet versus

0:51:23.920 --> 0:51:27.160
<v Speaker 2>dry earwax and how it's just one snip, and that's

0:51:27.320 --> 0:51:31.480
<v Speaker 2>by Ohashi at All from twenty eleven, and then ear

0:51:31.719 --> 0:51:36.080
<v Speaker 2>Wax and Art History by Petrakis from two thousand called

0:51:36.160 --> 0:51:40.000
<v Speaker 2>Earmarks of Art History, Seruman and Medieval Art, and a

0:51:40.040 --> 0:51:40.479
<v Speaker 2>lot more.

0:51:41.200 --> 0:51:44.600
<v Speaker 1>I also have a number of papers, but the two

0:51:45.000 --> 0:51:49.840
<v Speaker 1>that were cited in every other paper effort that I

0:51:49.880 --> 0:51:54.040
<v Speaker 1>read were one from nineteen ninety seven by Rosa and

0:51:54.200 --> 0:51:59.320
<v Speaker 1>Bala Chanda that was called Physiology, Pathophysiology and Anthropology slash

0:51:59.320 --> 0:52:03.200
<v Speaker 1>Epidemiology of Human earcanal Secretions from the Journal of the

0:52:03.200 --> 0:52:06.800
<v Speaker 1>American Academy of Audiology, and then one from nineteen sixty

0:52:06.880 --> 0:52:12.400
<v Speaker 1>four by Alberti called Epithelial Migration on the tympanic Membrane.

0:52:12.560 --> 0:52:15.680
<v Speaker 1>It was actually really interesting. I don't read a lot

0:52:15.680 --> 0:52:17.440
<v Speaker 1>of papers from the sixties, but I always get a

0:52:17.480 --> 0:52:18.440
<v Speaker 1>kick out of it when I get to.

0:52:18.680 --> 0:52:22.200
<v Speaker 2>I love reading papers from the sixties. Sometimes it's yeah,

0:52:22.280 --> 0:52:25.279
<v Speaker 2>it's just they're so different in vibe, so different, they're

0:52:25.360 --> 0:52:26.480
<v Speaker 2>so different. Yeah.

0:52:26.600 --> 0:52:29.360
<v Speaker 1>And then I have a bunch of papers on like

0:52:29.600 --> 0:52:31.640
<v Speaker 1>Impacted the Room and and s Room and impaction and

0:52:31.680 --> 0:52:33.719
<v Speaker 1>how we deal with it, and then a few as

0:52:33.760 --> 0:52:38.800
<v Speaker 1>well on the ear candling business. You can find all

0:52:39.080 --> 0:52:41.680
<v Speaker 1>of these sources on our website, This podcast will Kill

0:52:41.719 --> 0:52:44.080
<v Speaker 1>You dot com under the episodes tab.

0:52:44.320 --> 0:52:47.600
<v Speaker 2>You certainly can a big thank you to Bloodmobile for

0:52:47.640 --> 0:52:50.440
<v Speaker 2>providing the music for this episode and all of our episodes.

0:52:50.600 --> 0:52:54.160
<v Speaker 1>Thank you. Thank you to Leanna and Tom and Mark

0:52:54.239 --> 0:52:59.120
<v Speaker 1>and Pete and Jessica and everyone. There's like so many

0:52:59.120 --> 0:53:02.200
<v Speaker 1>people to sink exactly right. Network, Thank you all for me.

0:53:02.200 --> 0:53:03.200
<v Speaker 1>Thank you as possible.

0:53:03.400 --> 0:53:07.800
<v Speaker 2>Yes, thank you also to anyone who you know watches

0:53:07.840 --> 0:53:11.120
<v Speaker 2>this podcast listens to this podcast, We appreciate it. Like

0:53:11.120 --> 0:53:13.160
<v Speaker 2>like we said, you have a lot of different ways

0:53:13.200 --> 0:53:15.120
<v Speaker 2>you can spend your time, and we really appreciate you

0:53:15.520 --> 0:53:18.920
<v Speaker 2>spending that time with us. It means everything, It really

0:53:18.960 --> 0:53:19.480
<v Speaker 2>truly does.

0:53:19.520 --> 0:53:22.120
<v Speaker 1>So thank you and a special thank you to our

0:53:22.160 --> 0:53:24.600
<v Speaker 1>patrons for your support over on Patreon. It really does

0:53:24.719 --> 0:53:27.479
<v Speaker 1>mean like we we're not good. I think at using

0:53:27.520 --> 0:53:29.400
<v Speaker 1>words to explain how much it means to us, but

0:53:29.719 --> 0:53:30.719
<v Speaker 1>it really means a lot.

0:53:30.840 --> 0:53:31.239
<v Speaker 2>It does.

0:53:31.360 --> 0:53:31.719
<v Speaker 1>It does.

0:53:32.560 --> 0:53:34.520
<v Speaker 2>Until next time, wash your hands

0:53:34.719 --> 0:53:35.800
<v Speaker 1>You feelthy animals