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Speaker 1: too easy, I get it. Welcome Malcolm Butler to the

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. As the team adds a number one corner

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Speaker 1: and crosses off another item on Steve Kime's shopping list

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two, episode four oh eight, and it starts now.

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Speaker 1: just when you think there's a little bit of a lull,

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Speaker 1: if you will in free agency, MJ Boom, We've got news.

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Speaker 1: And it's some pretty significant news because I know, well

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Speaker 1: it was a question mark heading into free agency. It

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Speaker 1: remained a question mark after the first week of free agency,

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Speaker 1: and we have an answer. Malcolm Butler and the Arizona

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Speaker 1: Cardinals have agreed to terms on a one year deal.

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Speaker 1: Now I would still like to see this team add

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Speaker 1: another corner, but hey, you need multiple corners, and why

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Speaker 1: not start with a former Pro bowler and a two

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Speaker 1: time Super Bowl champion whom everyone knows loves State Farm Stadium,

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Speaker 1: Malcolm Butler. Yeah, I'm sure when Russell Wilson sees him

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Speaker 1: this year, it's going to be Okay, that's the guy.

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Speaker 1: And a lot of guys are gone, you know. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: he's five eleven, one ninety, He's appeared in a hundred

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Speaker 1: regular season games, eighty four starts. He's coming off of

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Speaker 1: a you know, he played thirty six starts with the

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Speaker 1: least now you've got a guy that's got experience, he

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Speaker 1: add thirty some scenes to this roster. But seven seasons,

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Speaker 1: whatever reason, MJ and I don't really know why because

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Speaker 1: but you can't do that in the National Football League,

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Speaker 1: So they saw something that they had to have liked. Now,

429
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Speaker 1: whether that changed when they got him in the building,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't answer that question. But he

431
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Speaker 1: certainly fits a skill set what he did at ASU

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Speaker 1: to come and play for the Cardinals. So I would

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Speaker 1: like to see him get an opportunity. I think he

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Speaker 1: will get that opportunity. And nobody's told me this. I

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Speaker 1: just think based on numbers. But we asked about Iano

436
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Speaker 1: Benjamin because between there's always somebody. A couple of years

437
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Speaker 1: ago was Robert Oliford. And then you know they're asking,

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Speaker 1: you know, where Zeno Benjamin and they say he doesn't

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Speaker 1: play on teams, so that's something he has to work on.

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Speaker 1: And you know, ball security and in fairness to you know,

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Speaker 1: he's playing with the freshman quarterback, a freshman center, a

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Speaker 1: freshman left tackle. He was a better of the year before.

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Speaker 1: You know, he did put the ball in the carpet.

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Speaker 1: But I think there's a there's a spot for those

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Speaker 1: small guys like that. And again, just Cardinals don't have

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Speaker 1: a third down back. You know, usually you're based I'm

447
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Speaker 1: personnel down in distance. Let me throw a curveball at you. Okay,

448
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Speaker 1: I'm ready. I'm standing at the plate. I got my

449
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Speaker 1: arms ready. All right, what do you gotta give me

450
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Speaker 1: your best pitch? Okay, Cardinals are picking a sixteen. Two

451
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Speaker 1: of the top running backs are on the board. Now,

452
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Speaker 1: you got to be in love with this guy. You

453
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Speaker 1: got to make sure because we know we sat here

454
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Speaker 1: all run Kenyan Drake in the ground and the next

455
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Speaker 1: thing you know, he's making eight million um. You know. Yeah,

456
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Speaker 1: but we're talking about difference makers here. So and now

457
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Speaker 1: now it comes down to who do you like of

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Speaker 1: the two backs. I know that there is a sentiment

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Speaker 1: that Naji Harris is very, very good, and I do

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Speaker 1: like with what he did. Yet, the idea and the

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Speaker 1: history of drafting running backs in the first round is

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Speaker 1: not a good one, especially if you hope to get

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Speaker 1: a second contract out of that running act. So I'm

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Speaker 1: more leary of drafting a running back at number sixteen unless,

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Speaker 1: as you said, this scouting department and the front office,

466
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Speaker 1: Steve Kime, they love this player and they're gonna make

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Speaker 1: him quote unquote the bell count and then all of

468
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Speaker 1: a sudden, Chase Edmonds becomes your number two. I don't

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Speaker 1: quite see that though. I am triggued, especially by what

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Speaker 1: Harris was able to do in college. I just again,

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Speaker 1: I'm looking back at some of these first round draft

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Speaker 1: picks last year, there's only one running back taken that

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Speaker 1: with Clyde Edwards Hilaire at number thirty two. The year

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Speaker 1: before Josh Jacobs at number twenty four. You don't see

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Speaker 1: a lot of running backs picked in the top ten. Yes,

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Speaker 1: there was Sae Kwon Barkley and Leonard Fournette and Christian McCaffrey,

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Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott Well. Fournette's currently on the market, so we

478
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Speaker 1: know the history there, and then you give these guys

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Speaker 1: a second contracts and is it deserved, yes, but it's

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Speaker 1: a lot of wear and tear on a running back

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Speaker 1: that I just don't know you get the return after

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Speaker 1: signing to him to a long term second contract. I

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Speaker 1: think that's well put and I wouldn't do it, but

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Speaker 1: I just I just think, you know, the Cardinals are

485
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Speaker 1: going into the season, they made it very clear that

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Speaker 1: Chase Evans is they're featured back, and I believe they

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Speaker 1: would like to extend him. He's an unreprostricted free agent

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Speaker 1: and the comp I uses Tarik Cohen. Cohen was Iarnor

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Speaker 1: this year with the Bears. They have other running backs

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Speaker 1: in the system there. He's a little bit faster, so

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Speaker 1: when so, I don't think you want to invest a

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Speaker 1: first round pick. And even though it's sixteen, not top five,

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Speaker 1: top ten, there's and depending on what happens routine now

494
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Speaker 1: in the draft, I think there's more needs. If you

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Speaker 1: have to get a corner for the future. We talked

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Speaker 1: about Malcolm Butler and all for just on one year deals.

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Speaker 1: Do you look at possibly getting an interior alignment for

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Speaker 1: the future, meaning pughs under contract for a couple more years.

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Speaker 1: Winners is Garcia. I think they're good at tackles. I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't take a running back at sixteen, and that's just

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Speaker 1: based on where their needs are and what they do

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Speaker 1: in the next couple of months. Now, if you've paid

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Speaker 1: attention to mock drafts, which we do here just a

504
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Speaker 1: handful of those out there, and one that we do

505
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Speaker 1: pay attention to, Todd McShay his first mock draft on

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Speaker 1: January seventh, did have the Cardinals taking a running back,

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Speaker 1: Travis etn At, a Clemson twenty two years old, five

508
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Speaker 1: foot ten, two hundred and five pounds. The ACC's all

509
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Speaker 1: time career rushing yard, rushing touchdown, and total touchdown in

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Speaker 1: yards from scrimmage leader. So there's another name that could

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Speaker 1: be in the mix at number sixteen. But even if

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Speaker 1: it's at n or nag Harris, I just don't I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I would be more surprised than anything, just

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Speaker 1: based off what this team has shown so far in

515
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Speaker 1: free agency, because it does seem like this is a

516
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Speaker 1: window this year, next year, maybe the year after with

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray unders rookie contract, especially if you pick up

518
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Speaker 1: that fifth year option that's back to me, would not

519
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Speaker 1: be a huge priority. And here is where we go

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Speaker 1: with need versus best player available. The coach looking for

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Speaker 1: someone that can be utilized now, the general manager looking

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Speaker 1: at a three, four or five year window. So I

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Speaker 1: don't know if we're running back satisfies the criteria. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it might be best player available, but does it feel

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Speaker 1: a need especially in the first round. You know, you

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Speaker 1: listen to, you know, some of the media and I sampling,

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Speaker 1: you know, you hear different opinions and makes you think

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Speaker 1: about different things. But I think the perception is because

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Speaker 1: they went out and got what and they went out

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Speaker 1: and got a j Green, and they went out and

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Speaker 1: traded for Rodney Hudson that they're going all in, and

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Speaker 1: Steve Kim said no. Now as a general manager, and

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Speaker 1: we know this is a big year for this team

534
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Speaker 1: to go from eight wins to possibly ten or eleven

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Speaker 1: and get in the playoffs. I mean, there's a lot

536
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Speaker 1: at stake, but a lot of people on the outside

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Speaker 1: I think they're going all in as a general manager.

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Speaker 1: Whether he's here or not, you have to look ahead.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yes, they know what's at stake, and they

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Speaker 1: got to win the division or at least compete in

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Speaker 1: the division. Can't go two and four in the division.

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Speaker 1: So I think the outside says, well, they're going all

543
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Speaker 1: in as a general manager, and as the cap guy,

544
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Speaker 1: you have to look at the next few years. Whether

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Speaker 1: Steve's here or not. I'm just saying in general. So

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Speaker 1: they're trying to win like any other team. And they've

547
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Speaker 1: gone out and got veteran players who they can plug

548
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Speaker 1: and play and we don't have to worry about are

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Speaker 1: they going to be a you know, a guy that's

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Speaker 1: a rotation player. They went out and they got better

551
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Speaker 1: on paper, and so they're looking at the future. But

552
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: we're all focusing on this next season and to see

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Speaker 1: what the Cardinals have done so far in free agency

554
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Speaker 1: acy cardinals dot com slash free agency. All the players

555
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Speaker 1: that have been acquired, resigned, signed, or agreed to terms.

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Speaker 1: The most recent Malcolm Butler, the veteran corner from the Titans,

557
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Speaker 1: agreeing to terms on a one year contract. What we

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Speaker 1: have not seen in free agency, which I'll point out

559
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Speaker 1: once again and maybe I'm out on an island like

560
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Speaker 1: I was with Patrick Peterson, but that is a backup quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Let me say this, and once again, a backup quarterback,

562
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Speaker 1: not someone to play and start ten twelve games, because

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Speaker 1: if that happens, then you know what, twenty twenty one

564
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: might be a lost season if Kyle Murray has hurt

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Speaker 1: for any extended period of time. Looking for a veteran

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Speaker 1: who can come in a pinch for a couple of

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Speaker 1: plays during the course of a game or for maybe

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Speaker 1: a three or four week stretch. And I'm not comfortable

569
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Speaker 1: right now with a Chris Streveler Cole McDonald. That's just me,

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Speaker 1: and I want to put words in your mouth, MJ.

571
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Speaker 1: So I'm hoping that this team, like we have seen

572
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Speaker 1: with a lot of other teams across the league. About

573
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: a dozen different teams out there have really gone heavy

574
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Speaker 1: into a backup quarterback role, and some yes, they might

575
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Speaker 1: be a starter. Andy Dalton goes from backup and the

576
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Speaker 1: Cowboys to at least right now a starter for the Bears,

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Speaker 1: that might change. They send out a pixel s QB one. Yes,

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Speaker 1: And of course we know that Drew Stanton once upon

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Speaker 1: a time was QB one as well, and then Carson

580
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Speaker 1: Palmer was acquired in the later weeks, so things change

581
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Speaker 1: in a snap of a finger. But I do want

582
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Speaker 1: to see this team address a veteran, not so much

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Speaker 1: that Kyler Murray has to look over his shoulder, but

584
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Speaker 1: someone who will push Murray, teach Murray and be that

585
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Speaker 1: sounding board that maybe he doesn't have with a head

586
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Speaker 1: coach or a position coach, because well, you want someone

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Speaker 1: in that locker room in the trenches with you outside

588
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Speaker 1: of someone that is on a different floor or you're

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Speaker 1: not seen consistently every single day. All right, There's two

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Speaker 1: things that come to mind. Do you want a veteran quarterback? See,

591
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Speaker 1: he wants somebody that has some experience where when he

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Speaker 1: comes into the game it's not going to be too

593
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Speaker 1: big for him, even though if we get into week seven, sixteen,

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Speaker 1: and seventeen, Libo are on the line. But some of

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00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: that has starts. You know, I saw a report on

596
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Speaker 1: Monday or Tuesday that the Niners had interest in Garden Minshew.

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Speaker 1: And the Jacksonville Jaguars signed C. J. Bethar and they

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Speaker 1: have another young quarterback on the roster. Clearly they're gonna

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Speaker 1: go with Trevor Lawrence, you would assume. And Kyle Shanahan

600
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Speaker 1: coached Garden Minshew at the Senior Bowl. Garden Minshew to

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Speaker 1: me when he got the starts, his numbers very similar

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Speaker 1: to Kyla Murray's. So are you looking for somebody that's

603
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Speaker 1: similar to Kyla Murray? So you don't have to change

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Speaker 1: your offense? Even though we don't we know that Kyler

605
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: is more dynamic in the running game. I like Garden Minshew. Now,

606
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,959
Speaker 1: you know, I was intrigued with Tyrod Taylor, but right

607
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: now he could be the backup or starting quarterback in Houston.

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Speaker 1: You know, Matt Barkley got released because Mitch Drobiski went

609
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Speaker 1: to Buffalo. But I look at RG three, I mean,

610
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Speaker 1: I he's he was in the Baltimore system and Greg

611
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Speaker 1: Romans are really good quarter coordinator. They got good quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: coaches there. Obviously, I think, you know, Lamar Jackson still

613
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Speaker 1: got a ways to go, but he's improved. So RG

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Speaker 1: three to me again, you know, we talked about this

615
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Speaker 1: probably a few weeks ago, and you know, you hear, well,

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Speaker 1: you got to get somebody somewhere to Carl Well, we

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Speaker 1: go to Kansas City and Chad Henney doesn't. He's not

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. I mean, the Seahawks value the backup quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I guess the point is, if your starting quarterback goes down,

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Speaker 1: you probably there's going to be a downfall, but you

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Speaker 1: need someone to come in for a week or two

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Speaker 1: to kind of man the ship in game manager. That's

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Speaker 1: important if you want to have ten or eleven wins.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know what they're looking for, but there

625
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Speaker 1: are a few guys out there, And again I wasn't

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Speaker 1: I know, the Cardinals had some insters a few years

627
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Speaker 1: ago with Tyrod Taylor as a backup quarterback, but he's

628
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Speaker 1: not on the market right now. So depending on what

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Speaker 1: they're looking for, but there are some guys out there

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Speaker 1: that NFL experience. Yeah, Taylor now with the Texans you

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Speaker 1: brought up RG three, Matt Barkley, There's Alex Smith, Chase

632
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Speaker 1: Daniel who was recently released, AJ McCarn, Colt McCoy. There

633
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Speaker 1: are a number of guys out there, and I don't

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Speaker 1: think any of those players that are still on the

635
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Speaker 1: market today as we speak would expect to come in

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Speaker 1: and compete to be the starter, or even have the

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Speaker 1: inkling of being a starter. And that's not what the Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: That's anywhere across the league at this point. If you're

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Speaker 1: a team still searching for a quarterback and you don't

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Speaker 1: have a high draft pick to where you grab that

641
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Speaker 1: guy in the draft, I think you're really swimming upstream,

642
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Speaker 1: so to speak. But I would like to see a

643
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Speaker 1: veteran added because if they don't, I'll say it today

644
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Speaker 1: and i'll say it then. I think it will be

645
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Speaker 1: a mistake. If they do not address backup quarterback and

646
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Speaker 1: they go in with Chris Streveler and Cole McDonald who

647
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: they currently have on the roster and say these are

648
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: three quarterbacks, this is our depth at that position. I

649
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: don't think that is good enough. Just look at the

650
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: Arias Santa Clara. You know, Jimmy Garoppolo, he's got a

651
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: good win loss record when he's healthy. Now they invested

652
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: in draft picks and CJ. Bethard and also Nick Mullins.

653
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 1: Now they Bethard, I want to say it was a

654
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: third on Mullins may have been a fifth rund and

655
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan said, we have to address it now. I

656
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: thought Mitch Trubiski would go there. Instead he goes to Buffalo,

657
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: which you know he he's just trying to recreate his

658
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 1: career and maybe next year I'll get an opportunity. So

659
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan, that's why Gardner Minshew. Now he doesn't have

660
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: the experience. But the Niners and John Lynch, they want

661
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: to make sure they have a guy because of Garoppolo

662
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: being hurt. They don't want to do what they did

663
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: last year. Okay, and give him credit. They played hard

664
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Speaker 1: against the Cardinals and all that. I think they played

665
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: for the quarterback. But they're they're going on their way

666
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: to say we need a quarterback. If something happens to Garoppolo,

667
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: that should be the same feeling for the Cardinals, or

668
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,479
Speaker 1: something happens to Kylin Murray. Let's be honest, the last

669
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: two years he's been in Week sixteen and seventeen. Yes,

670
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: and Brett Huntley helped win a ballgame in Seattle late

671
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: in the season, and we had the discussion when we

672
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: were doing our position by a position breakdown when we

673
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: talked about the quarterback position week seventeen, if you do

674
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Speaker 1: have a veteran to come in when Kyler Murray went down,

675
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: would the Cardinals have had a better opportunity of beating

676
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: a Rams team that themselves were playing a second string

677
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: quarterback at the time and they had kind of moved

678
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: on from Jared Goff, It just seemed like if it

679
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 1: was anyone else. And I don't want to discount Chris Strevel,

680
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: I don't know him. I haven't seen enough of him.

681
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: And I think that's the thing that's maybe sticking in

682
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: my head is that when we did see him, it

683
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: was for a snap or two on offense, Kyler Murray

684
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 1: was off the field or on the sidelines, and that

685
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 1: just does nothing anyone wants to see. That was earlier

686
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: in the season, and then we didn't see him again

687
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: until I think it was week eleven or week twelve,

688
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: and that was on special teams, So I don't know

689
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 1: what kind of RUPs he was getting during the week,

690
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: but he did not look like he was prepared. Outside

691
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: of that touchdown toss to Jonathan Ward. He was not

692
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: ready for a game of that magnitude and a lot

693
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: was at stake. MJ. You win, you're in, you'll lose,

694
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: you go home, And unfortunately the Cardinals went home. Well,

695
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: I mean, if I'm not mistaken, if my memory recalls

696
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,720
Speaker 1: David Have, Michael Brocker's right, they didn't have Cooper Cup.

697
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,720
Speaker 1: It was certainly a less than one hundred percent full

698
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: strength Rams team because of COVID nineteen, and there was

699
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: a sense that, well, they're going to be in the playoffs,

700
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: so we can rest some guys and maybe not need

701
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:43,479
Speaker 1: as many guys against this Cardinal. Yes, yeah, and again

702
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: they lose to Walford, you know, and again, like I said,

703
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: some teams value more than others. But I just think,

704
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: you know, I know, if you know, like, who's the

705
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: backup quarterback in Green Bay? Well it was Tim Boyle.

706
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: Now he's signed with another team as a backup, maybe Detroit.

707
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 1: So who's Jordan loved the backup? So I get it.

708
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: Um Chase Daniels intriguing me. He's made a ton of money,

709
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what the going rate is.

710
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 1: He's a guy that can, you know, come in and

711
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: he's had a lot of experience. I just hope they

712
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: valued a little bit more because when Kyler runs like

713
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: he does, you're gonna put yourselves in harm way. Now

714
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: he hasn't taken that big hit. And also, Craig, when

715
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: we start talking about the running back position, we also

716
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: have to include Murray in there. I mean, I know

717
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: that it's a it's a luxury and it's but it's

718
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: he's a weapon. So yes, we want to see Jonathan Ward.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to see maybe you know, clearly the Cardinals

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00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: probably should bring in a veteran. It's deep at running

721
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: back in the draft, so plud the position. But clearly,

722
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Speaker 1: if you look at the top three quarterbacks for the Cardinals,

723
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: you have to put Murray as the wild card. He

724
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: would be number three behind Chase Emmans and whoever they

725
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: draft or sign as a free agent. Let me throw

726
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: this out of here as we having this conversation about

727
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: backup quarterback. And yes, the salary cap I think plays

728
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: a factor in here because you don't have as much money.

729
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: But if this team here in twenty twenty one, does

730
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Speaker 1: not value a backup quarterback as much as we would

731
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: hope that they would. Is that an indication? And you

732
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: bring up Kyler Murray as a running back based off

733
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Speaker 1: what this team has done as far as fortifying the

734
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: offensive line with Rodney Huntson, resigning Kelvin Beecham and most

735
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: recently getting Brian Winters to compete for right guard. Do

736
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: we see Kyler Murray not go out and run the

737
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: ball or escape the pockets and less in case of

738
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: an emergency? Might there be less designed runs called? Or

739
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 1: an edict to Murray and say, no, you're staying in

740
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: that pocket, step up in the pocket, throw the ball away.

741
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: We don't want you scrambling in the events that you

742
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: might get hurt, because let's be honest, we don't know

743
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: about plan B or C behind you. That's just me

744
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: off the top of my head as we speak here

745
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: on March twenty fifth, that perhaps if it is those

746
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: three quarterbacks and you don't sign one, then okay, maybe

747
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: you have to adjust. If you're Kyle the Murray and say,

748
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm so important, I need to stay

749
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Speaker 1: on the football field. I got confidence in the five

750
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: guys in front of me. This team obviously believes in

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00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: me and my health and my ability. All right, So

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00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: maybe I am more of a drop back pastor in

753
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. Well, he's coming out and he's maintained

754
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: that for two years, and we still want to see it.

755
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: I know there are times when you know, he drifts

756
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: and they want to roll them out. Guy's got to

757
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: get separation, Guys got to get off the line of scrimmage.

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00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 1: I'm intrigued with that. The thing is, though, it's I

759
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: don't think you can put him in a bubble. Now.

760
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: We look at Patrick Mahomes, he was hurting going into

761
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl because he tried to run. Look at

762
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, he missed time in a playoff game. I

763
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: think the difference is in, you know, Josh Allen's a

764
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: bigger guy where he when he runs, you know, he

765
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: can kind of bounce off of guys where some of

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00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 1: these other guys are a little bit more smaller. But yeah,

767
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Kyler does a rade job protecting himself.

768
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 1: I really do so. I just don't want them to

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00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: take away that dynamic. Now we get you know, three

770
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 1: or four years later, maybe he doesn't have to run

771
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: as much, but he can roll out and still you

772
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: know again, you want you know, I want to see

773
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: him make mutter throws on the run where he doesn't

774
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: have to sit in the pocket because he could obviously

775
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: make every throw, But I don't want him stop him

776
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: when he's starting. I want him to throw on the run.

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Speaker 1: Cover two, MJ, we had a chance to hear most

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Speaker 1: recently from Offensive Alignment, specifically the guard Brian Winters, a

796
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: third round pick in twenty thirteen, the most recent addition

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00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 1: before the agreeing to terms the Cardinals had with Malcolm

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00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 1: Butler earlier today. But someone who is once again turns

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Speaker 1: thirty in July, entering his ninth season, and someone that

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Speaker 1: when we listened to him, did not sound like he

801
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: was quote unquote the starter at right guard, but someone

802
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 1: to come in and compete with either at Justin Murray,

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00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,760
Speaker 1: at Josh Jones, maybe even a Mason Cole, but someone

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00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: that was coming in an anxious one to be with

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals, and two to be a part of what

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00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: the Cardinals are doing this season in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: You know, and based on his conversation with us, he

808
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 1: does have a relationship with a few Cardinal players. Of course,

809
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,720
Speaker 1: he came out with Justin Pugh, he played with Calvin

810
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: Beacham with the Jets. He spent some time in Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: He's strictly a guard now he can play both left

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Speaker 1: and right guard. That doesn't mean he you know, Cardinal's

813
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: normally dress eight guys on game day. I think it's

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00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,919
Speaker 1: safe to say Craig. When they line up, I gotta

815
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: think Justin Murray is going to be the right guard. Now.

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00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: Competition is what they want. I think it's more for

817
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: the second unit, so where there's not a drop off

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00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,720
Speaker 1: they want to be at to go ten d Usually

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00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,479
Speaker 1: they address eight on game day, so I could be wrong.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Justin Murray is a guy that

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Speaker 1: you know has been under contract the game an extension.

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00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: As Steve said, and we've Steve headed on it. Coogle

823
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: is going to play the best five guys. But if

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Speaker 1: I look at it right now, Humphreys, Hugh's definitely going

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00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 1: to start, Hudson, you know, you can you can go Murphy,

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Speaker 1: you can go Winters there, and then at right tackle

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00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: Calvin Beacham and then we'll see what Max Garcy looks like.

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Speaker 1: He's going to be the interior guards center. He does

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00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 1: have experience there. So yeah, and right now they got

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00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: sixteen guys on there. And I know people are asking

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00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: about Marcus Gilbert. He opted out last year. He is

832
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 1: under contract. You know, I Cardinals said they haven't heard

833
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: from him. At some point they're going to have to

834
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: make a decision, and he's gonna have to make a decision.

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Speaker 1: You recently told me he got married. Now, if he

836
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: doesn't come back, the Cardinals would own his rights because

837
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: he is under contract. So if he wants to play

838
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: somewhere else, obviously you have to work that out. But

839
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: you know more of the marrier. But at this point

840
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: in time, I think to Cardinals realized that they got

841
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: to make sure who's going to be the right tackle,

842
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: and I would say, right now, it's Colvin Deeja. So

843
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: let me get this straight for you. MJ. Here, if

844
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: you're Sean Kugler and you're putting your five up on

845
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: the grease board right now before we get out onto

846
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Speaker 1: the field, and I know things can change, but when

847
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: that first unit goes out, whether we see it or not,

848
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: but that first unit, you have Murray not Winters as

849
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: you're starting right guard. Initially, Yeah, and are you basing

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Speaker 1: that off of how Murray finished last season as the starter,

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Speaker 1: because and not that it's interesting that they would go

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Speaker 1: out and sign a Brian Winters. You're looking for depth

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Speaker 1: and I get it, and you want competition, it would

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Speaker 1: just seem, at least on the surface. You know, from

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Speaker 1: my perspective, based off of experience, Brian Winters has a

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00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,760
Speaker 1: lot more of it than Justin Murray. Yet you're looking

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Speaker 1: for someone that meshes with four other guys, not to

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Speaker 1: be the best individual. We talked about the offensive line

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00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: is five guys working in Tanam, not five individuals. And yes,

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00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,720
Speaker 1: Winters does have a relationship with Pugh and Kelvin Beacham

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Speaker 1: for Beacham on and off the field. And I don't know,

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Speaker 1: not that I'm pushing back on it. I just just

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Speaker 1: curious to get your take why Murray versus Winters at

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Speaker 1: least as we sit here in the month of March.

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Speaker 1: The way I look at it, Craig is there was

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Speaker 1: talk about, you know, the Cardinals could have two or

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Speaker 1: three new offensive linemen, and honestly, I think eighty percent

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00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 1: is in concrete and bowering some injury. So again, left tackle,

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Speaker 1: left guard, center, and right tackle. I just think Justin

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00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,919
Speaker 1: Murray has been in the system. Listen, when they put

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Speaker 1: the pads on, that's when guys will separate themselves up.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that Winters can't be the starter, but

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Speaker 1: I think eighty percent of the starters. We can talk

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Speaker 1: about the other it's going to be the right guard

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00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: is going to be that because Pugh is restructured. I

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Speaker 1: don't see him unless you know it's llees and they

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Speaker 1: make changes. But I think they won't really want competition

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Speaker 1: at that second group. But we'll see if they get

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00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: a couple of preseason games and now they're saying possibly three,

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00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 1: but I think going in just the offseason workouts the

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00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: temple of the game and that winners is going to be. Now,

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00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: they do run a little bit of a hurry up

883
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: offensive Buffalo, just based on Josh Allen, so I'm not

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00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: saying he can't adapt to that, but playing in Arizona's

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00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: a little bit different. But I think when I line

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Speaker 1: up Murray, Murray will be in there. But they're going

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00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 1: to rotate winners. And then you got to get some

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00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: reps for Garcia if he's going to be your backup

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00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: center or Mason Cole. Murray started the final four games

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Speaker 1: at right guard last season, and to your point, MJ

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00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: it might just be because he won, is familiar with

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00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: the offense and knows what is being asked of him

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00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: to where he goes in and pencil as your first

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00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: string right guard and then over time does that become

895
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Speaker 1: a Brian Winters? Does that become a Josh Jones? And

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00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: certainly that sounds like Kogler is very intrigued by the

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00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 1: young rookie a year ago that maybe he's not just

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Speaker 1: a tackle that he could play also interior that I

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Speaker 1: think might be a little bit harder for him to

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Speaker 1: do in twenty twenty one, now that Winters is in

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Speaker 1: the building. But I think that's going to be something

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00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: to pay attention to. You know, everyone wants to see

903
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks and the running backs and the wide receivers

904
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Speaker 1: and all that. But you know, as we've talked about

905
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 1: and betray and has hammered in our heads on the

906
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: Cardinals Red Sea report, you have to win at the

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00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, offensive line and defensive line, and those

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00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: two positions certainly a priority, and certainly on the offensive

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00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: end addressed this offseason. You know, I mean, I can

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Speaker 1: see them again, four of the five guys we know

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Speaker 1: who's going to be there, I could see them rotating him.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're right, based on experience, and I mean

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Speaker 1: winners has got a ton of starts. I mean, he

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Speaker 1: started in two different you know teams, and he got

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Speaker 1: a chance to play in nine games last year. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so from that standpoint, I mean, they could rotate those

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Speaker 1: guys and just kind of find out. But when the

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Speaker 1: GM says we're going to have competition, that probably tells

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00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: me there's one position or for grabs, and then who's

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00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,760
Speaker 1: going to win the backup jobs? You know, where's Mason

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Speaker 1: Colet he end a training camp, where's Lamont and Gilliard?

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Speaker 1: At the at the end of training camp, they got

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Speaker 1: sixteen offensive linement on the roster. They're probably going to

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Speaker 1: keep eight to ten or probably nine to ten and

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Speaker 1: then a couple possibly on the practice squad. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: listen when they went out and got winners. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think it was the only reason why we didn't

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Speaker 1: put p in that categories because they maintained that he's

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Speaker 1: coming off a good year and he was going to

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Speaker 1: be on the roster and then we find out, you know,

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Speaker 1: twenty four hours later he took a pay cut. So

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Speaker 1: I do think they want to have competition or right guard,

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Speaker 1: and I guess that we're just you know, when the

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Speaker 1: first depth chart comes out. We'll read into it, but

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Speaker 1: you know, I think you've got to find out what

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Speaker 1: you have in winners to see how he can fit

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00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: in with these guys. So I just think when a

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Speaker 1: line up, I think Murray will line up just because

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Speaker 1: he knows the offense well. Bottom line is is that

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00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: this team one needs depth on the offensive line, and

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Speaker 1: I think has it here in March. Now, we just

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Speaker 1: got to make sure that everyone stays healthy and is

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Speaker 1: available as we get closer and closer to the start

944
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Speaker 1: of the regular season. So it's certainly been busy week

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Speaker 1: one and so far here in week two. Yes, some

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Speaker 1: more questions being answered as far as what we think

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00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: our holes on this roster. Yet we know that the

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Speaker 1: job is not finished. Maybe it's never finished. You're always

949
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,240
Speaker 1: looking to upgrade and improve. But certainly as we continue

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Speaker 1: to follow along here on free agency and then start

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Speaker 1: to look at the NFL Draft, certainly some positions of

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Speaker 1: notes for the Cardinals to consider, and on that notes

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Speaker 1: we will put a lid on. This edition of Cardinals

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Speaker 1: Cover two presented by Hyundai, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: As always, special thanks to our executive producer Jim Almahandro

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Speaker 1: for Mike Jarecki. I'm Craig Riel lou We'll talk to

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Speaker 1: you next time here on Cardinals Cover two.