1 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: From the Toyota Patio here at SOFI Stadium, site of 2 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: Sunday Night football, the Rams and the Eagles. Welcome to 3 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: a new edition of Between the Horns, presented by your 4 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: Southern California Toyota Dealers. 5 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 2: I'm JB. 6 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: Long with my friends and colleagues DeMarco Farr and Maurice 7 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: Jones Drew. The band is back together to be back 8 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: at the stadium. It's a chili fall morning here as 9 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: we record. 10 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,480 Speaker 3: Is that why you're rocking a hat. I've never seen 11 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 3: you rock a hat before. That's new. 12 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:36,959 Speaker 1: I just ran out of time getting the kids out 13 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: the door to school. 14 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 3: So what we said. 15 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: Our last show before Thanksgiving? I guess how the holiday's 16 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 1: treating you? 17 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 2: So far? 18 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 3: Good, so far. Everybody's coming to my house this year, 19 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 3: so I'm making turkey. I'm more scared of that than 20 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 3: the Philadelphia Eagles right now. 21 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 2: Huh oh oh. I mean that's tough. You know. I 22 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 2: got lucky. My grandmother taught my wife how to cook. 23 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 2: And she's kind of you know, she's getting up there 24 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 2: in a so she doesn't remember everybody, and she was 25 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 2: eating the last Thanksgiving, was like, uh, who made this? 26 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 2: And I make this? I said, oh, then we know 27 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 2: what we're doing. So thanksgivings at my house, but not 28 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 2: with everybody nice, just grandma and uncle. 29 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 1: We're gonna get to takeaways from the win of the 30 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: Patriots in just a second. But one of mine is 31 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: food related, which is man, That New England clam chowder 32 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: was good. We might need to build that into our 33 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: own repertoire. 34 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 2: And it was. It was right on time too, because 35 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 2: though temper just started to drop at the end, and 36 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 2: it was right on time. 37 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 3: You didn't have any This is why I started to 38 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 3: hate you guys. Oh I didn't have a single bite 39 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 3: of clam chowder. I heard you guys eating though. Would 40 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 3: you have partaken? 41 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 2: Though? 42 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:35,839 Speaker 1: Is that your deal? 43 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 3: There's some things I cannot resist in good clam chowder 44 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 3: on the East Coast. There I gotta have. That was 45 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 3: on the money. What about the football part of it? 46 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 3: What do you four days later, still thinking about good, bad, 47 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 3: and otherwise from that win over New England? Well, you 48 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 3: know me, I think we all feel the same way. 49 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 3: A win is a win is a win. I could 50 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 3: care less how it looks one point a thousand points 51 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 3: as long as you got the W. So there were 52 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 3: some good things, there's some bad things. I think you 53 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 3: could have made that game a whole lot easier than 54 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 3: you made it. So this is still a work in progress, 55 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 3: but is when you're working to try to get better. 56 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 3: As long as you keep coming up with w's, then 57 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 3: so be it. So they always say winning is great deodorant, 58 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 3: and man did that smell good? And that six hour 59 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 3: flight on the way back, they did check a lot 60 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 3: of boxes. 61 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: Some of the things that we were asking for, you 62 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: might say, begging for them to do, they were more 63 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: explosive that Cooper Cup touched down the longest offensive play 64 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: of the season. And then MJD, I hope you get 65 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: your commission for solving some of the red zone issues. 66 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 2: I mean, you just throw a little bit out there 67 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 2: to see what happens. 68 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:31,519 Speaker 1: Well, if you were watching the show last week, I 69 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: thought MJD did a great job kind of breaking down 70 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: the philosophy. 71 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 3: Say yeah, oh. 72 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 2: I told him. I said, look, there's there's six windows 73 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 2: that you do. You attack in the red zone, and 74 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 2: really you want to attack the outside, the front pilon, 75 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 2: the back pilon, the ones you want to attack, and 76 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 2: then every now and then, if you're going to attack 77 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 2: the middle of the field behind the goal post. You 78 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 2: have to have crossers coming. Well, the Rams decided to 79 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 2: attack the front pylon on the Puka Nakoua play and 80 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 2: the Cooper Cup touchdown, and then the back pylon on 81 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 2: the Kobe Parkinson, which was nice. 82 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, that won the cup that little when he rolled 83 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 3: out and then and just throw it to them. I mean, 84 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:02,959 Speaker 3: how do you you can't cover that. That's one where 85 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 3: you just tip your cap and say, coach, I don't 86 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 3: know what to do on defense. 87 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: And we've been begging for that. Well, moving the pocket, 88 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: moving the launch point. They did it on two of 89 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: the touchdowns using some other personnel. Like great to have 90 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: Cooper Cup and pukin Akua go over one hundred yards each. Yes, 91 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: collectively three touchdowns combined. But Colby Parkinson gets his first 92 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: and it feels like, oh okay, you're starting to unlock 93 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: some things. You're forcing the defense to respect all of 94 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: your eligibles. 95 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:25,399 Speaker 2: Now, I think you're exactly right. We kind of talked 96 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: about the tight ends too. DeMarco, just where have they been? 97 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 2: What's been going on? You haven't seen that much production 98 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 2: out of them. Is it a Tyler Higbee situation? Or 99 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 2: is it just guys aren't showing up. And it seemed 100 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 2: like a lot of those questions were answered on Sunday. 101 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 3: I can't wait to get Higgs back. But that was 102 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 3: the best tight end day they've had all season long, 103 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 3: blocking and Parkinson finally getting in the end zone. So look, 104 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 3: when you talk about what you're about to face with Philly, 105 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 3: all these weapons they have, if you have a good 106 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 3: group of tight ends, that little gray area in between 107 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 3: that's making Hey, you can slow them down some Yeah. 108 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: How about defensive The Rams have already matched their takeaway 109 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: total from last season through ten games this year. 110 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 3: Well, look, it's to me, it's all about the front, 111 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 3: and it's all about the entire defense all eleven. But 112 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 3: what's driving this thing, what's driving this football team really 113 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 3: is that young front. Jared Verse should be Rookie of 114 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 3: the Year, Defensive Rookie of the year. I think Braden 115 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 3: Fist is as good as advertised Kobe Turner is. He's 116 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 3: on a heater. I think six seven tackles a game 117 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 3: for four straight weeks and he's been just an absolute force. 118 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 3: And he's calling the front. Yeah, he's getting everybody lined up, 119 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 3: so he's doing double duty and he's bawling his butt off, 120 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 3: so that front is just driving everything. I just hope 121 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 3: the offense gives them a chance to rest and then 122 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 3: go attack and rush the pass. 123 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 2: He has to turn his ears off. 124 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 3: That's all it happens, man. I mean, it's right there. 125 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 3: I mean, look, you know what you're trying to do. 126 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 3: They know what you're trying to do. You're gonna have 127 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 3: to play the hard count a little bit better. But 128 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 3: I'd rather have guys that are aggressive than the opposite. 129 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 3: I think that's the part of being young. You don't 130 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 3: have kids. Right. 131 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 2: When you have kids and there's all craziness, dads know 132 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 2: how to turn their ears off and let the craziness 133 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 2: go without even still focus on the things. When you're young, 134 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 2: those ears are still active and you're listening to me. 135 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 2: I thought the defense, the good part is what you 136 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 2: talked about, the young front. The bad part was a 137 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 2: young front right, making mistakes when you should have ended 138 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 2: the game, the penalties towards the end, the face mask obviously, 139 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 2: the personal foul. Those are things that you can have 140 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 2: and that's those are young issues, right, and that's what's 141 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 2: you know. You have to love it and then understand 142 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 2: it too, right. You can't be like, hey, you can't 143 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 2: do this with that energy that they bring. So I 144 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 2: just think that is they mature, which they've done an 145 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 2: awesome job of just playing. But when they mature, I 146 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 2: think you're gonna really see this defense explode. And I also 147 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 2: say this, I mean, as much as we talk about 148 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 2: Jared Verse, Brandon fixed Fisk has done him also he 149 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 2: should be up for Rookie of the Year too. I 150 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 2: don't know how many sacks he has, but he's up there. 151 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 2: I mean, he's getting just as much pressure or causing 152 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 2: as much havoc as versus as well. 153 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 3: I love it, just not off the bench. When you're 154 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 3: an off the bench guy, Rookie of the year, that's 155 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 3: not you. It's a Jared Verse thing. I'm sorry, yeah, 156 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 3: what you're saying. But like spot duty guy, that's great. 157 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 3: He's got a motor. I love him. And I've been 158 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 3: saying this since camp that dude is one of the 159 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 3: best stunt runners the Rams have. But Jared Verse from 160 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 3: start to finished, handing the dirt from play one to 161 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 3: play ninety nine, and he has been that guy. So 162 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 3: I hope he gets the nut and. 163 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,239 Speaker 1: They are one two rookie sacks by the way, Fist 164 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: taking over with his handful by a half a sack. 165 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: We'll see a Verse can get back this week. They've 166 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: gone back to back with forrest fumbles. Byron Young has 167 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: sacks in four straight games. He was a big part 168 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: of that closing effort. Look, he'd love to see the 169 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: Rams be better on third down, Stafford. You know, pitching 170 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: and catching on third down in particular is probably an 171 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: area for growth in the back half of this schedule. 172 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: But if you pun in play defense, to have b 173 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: why do his thing, and to have cam Kinchins, who's 174 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 1: the NFC Defensive Player of the Week again for the 175 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 1: second time in three games, close that thing with a 176 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: pick and take a seat. 177 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wish he would have scored. I know, I 178 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 2: know you're against it, but I'm on the block. Extra 179 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 2: point a takeaway. We want to put points on the board, man. 180 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 2: This is points come in different ways. The miscellaneous points 181 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 2: are the best ones, the ones that you're not you're 182 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 2: not accounting for. 183 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 3: It's the end of the game. Take that thing to 184 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 3: the house. Do they teach takeaways at Miami? Is that 185 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 3: a It must be? 186 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 2: No? 187 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 3: I mean, like, is that a class, the professor. The 188 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 3: guy that comes out of there is a ballhawk. But 189 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 3: it's it's all about opportunity. It's all about pressure and 190 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 3: closing games is a mindset. And this is so funny. 191 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 3: Our guys are here, the ninety nine team, the defense. 192 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 3: I can't wait to see Todd Lite. He's the one 193 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 3: that hit me up to this. It's just three perfect 194 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 3: plays to end the football. That's it on defense. And 195 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 3: it starts with the first You get that one, you 196 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 3: get the second and third play you get that when 197 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 3: you're off the field game over. So it's all just 198 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 3: a mindset. Most young guys when they get to the 199 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 3: end of game mode, I need to make the play. 200 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 3: I need to make the play. Sometimes that works against you. 201 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 3: Breathe make a play, disrupt, get off the field, and 202 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 3: win the ball game. So it's all a mindset. The 203 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 3: three perfect plays they put together should have ended the 204 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 3: game a quarter earlier, though, because they did it and 205 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 3: punched that out and it was fourth down and Verse 206 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 3: pulls a guy off the pile and it cost him. 207 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 3: It's it's hard. I don't want to coach that out 208 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 3: of him because he was helping his teammate. But you 209 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 3: have to be smarter about those end of game situations, 210 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 3: especially with and no knock. With an officiating crew like that, 211 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 3: that's a little helter skelter that anything that they think 212 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 3: is a foul, they're gonna bang you for. So just 213 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 3: be smart. Let it go, Yell at the reft to 214 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 3: pull him off, don't touch the guy, get off the field. 215 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: Penalties we'll talk about a little bit later. As it 216 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: relates to the Philadelphia Eagles. It's actually been one of 217 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: the strengths of the Rams, one of the least penalized 218 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: teams in the National Football League. Want to touch on 219 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: special teams briefly, because the Rams have taken several steps 220 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: forward in that phase. It felt like a couple steps back. 221 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: Shout out to Mike Hoit for his blocked extra point 222 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: that was huge, But a couple of short early kickoffs 223 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 1: costs the Rams. Obviously, the miss twenty six yarder. I 224 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: will say this in defense of Joshuacarty. There's something in 225 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: the water going around, because it's not just him, across 226 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 1: the league, future Hall of famers, including the guy you're 227 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: gonna face this week in Philadelphia. Everybody's missing kick. 228 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a you know Richard Sherman one 229 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 2: of his podcasts, he was like, you can find a 230 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 2: kicker selling bricks, Like, no question, you can. 231 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 3: You can pick. 232 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 2: You don't know how. You don't know how hard kicking 233 00:08:57,960 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 2: is until you actually go out there and try it. 234 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 2: And the one thing about it is, I think one 235 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 2: of my good college buddies is the special teams coach 236 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 2: for the Baltimore Race. You're talking about Tucker, who's missed 237 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 2: a couple of them, right, and he's like, people go 238 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 2: through slumps and they really hit me. It resonated with 239 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:15,839 Speaker 2: me because in two thousand and seven I went to 240 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 2: a crazy slump, like an eight game slum where I 241 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 2: couldn't score, like I was right there that fumble or 242 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 2: whatever it may be, and I understand that you have 243 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 2: to allow kickers to kind of work through those things 244 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 2: and as they get going, I think they'll be find 245 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 2: CARDI I thought did an awesome job like bouncing back 246 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 2: after missing that that twenty six yard came back and 247 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 2: he buried the next one. My heart was racing. I 248 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 2: know yours was as well. I could feel it as 249 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 2: we were calling the game. But to go ahead and 250 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 2: make that kick and to have that same nice swing 251 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 2: is what you're looking for. And again, you have a 252 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 2: young team, Like just because your quarterback is old, doesn't 253 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 2: mean in your receiver, your Cooper cut those are your 254 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 2: two old guys. Everybody else is pretty much under twenty five, 255 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 2: under twenty six. So you have a young team that 256 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 2: you have to coach through some of these mistakes. 257 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 3: Did you call Stafford old? 258 00:09:57,679 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 2: Just now? Hey only a couple of years younger than me. 259 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 2: That's foot bold. 260 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 3: And when you're talking about place I get it. Everybody 261 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 3: goes through it, and I'm trying to. Some of my 262 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,839 Speaker 3: best friends in life are placekickers, and I try to 263 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 3: have as much patience as possible. But when you're out there, 264 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 3: when it's on the line, you've got to make your kicks, period, 265 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 3: end of story. You've got to hit those extra points. 266 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 3: And I like the guy. I love the guy. I 267 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 3: even like the kickers that stink I do. They're good people. 268 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,599 Speaker 3: But in those situations, you have got to hit your kicks. 269 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: Because otherwise your coach isn't gonna run you out there. 270 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: In an end of game situation where three wins it, 271 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: that's it. 272 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 3: I mean I thought they were I thought Sean McVay 273 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 3: was setting up Cardi to be the hero, and then 274 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 3: when he punted, I'm like, okay, well that tells me 275 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 3: a lot there. There might be an issue there, but 276 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 3: the last thing you want is for him to go 277 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 3: out there and miss that. Then his confidence is down here. 278 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 3: So I get both sides of it, but as placekickers 279 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 3: or as teammates of placekickers, when you're out there, just 280 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 3: like I expect Mo to do his job. I got 281 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 3: to do my job, You got to do yours. 282 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: Put it through the upright, He's been better here at 283 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: so far, and so maybe getting back in his home 284 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,319 Speaker 1: stadium on Sunday night on the primetime life will be 285 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: good for joshuaccarty and the Special Teams unit. We'll certainly 286 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: have our eye on every fourth down decision right as 287 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: you're prepared to face the Philadelphia Eagles, because how lethal 288 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: and persistent persistent they are on that down, and also 289 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: the fact that Jake Elliott is having kicking troubles himself. 290 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: All right, where do we start with this preview? I 291 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: thought we might focus on the defensive Rookie of the 292 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: Year battle because of the leading candidates here in Los 293 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: Angeles and the two defensive backs that Philadelphia brings to town. 294 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: They are resurgent. They are part of what could be 295 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: the best defense in the NFL. 296 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 2: Now, yeah, well, I'll say I'll start with our defense first. 297 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 2: I think third down is going to be so important 298 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 2: to not allow to get the fourth and one. Yeah, 299 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 2: fourth and two, fourth and three, because they're gonna go 300 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 2: for that every day of the week. So third down 301 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 2: you're gonna have a more sense of urgency to try 302 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 2: to keep them in fourth and five. Because of the 303 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 2: way that touch push works and how aggressive the Eagles are, 304 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 2: this is gonna be your toughest challenge today. That's probably 305 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 2: the most talented team in the NFL, the Philadelphia Eagles, 306 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 2: if you look at it from top to bottom on paper, right, 307 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 2: offensive lines all really good. Uh, tight ends can play 308 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 2: running back obviously Saquon Barkley hurling the guy backwards. Yeah 309 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 2: that was that was embarrassing for US Jack fans wow 310 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 2: as well. But then you have a J. Brown, who 311 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 2: we've seen multiple times, right, and what he brings to 312 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 2: the table. And if you're a corner, if you're Darius Williams, 313 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 2: like covering a J. Brown, that's like that that's gonna 314 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 2: be tough because again, aj six three two hundred and 315 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 2: thirty five pounds and Darris is what five nine what 316 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty. 317 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 1: And he's got to come fit that edge and the 318 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: running game exactly exactly. 319 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 2: So you're gonna you're gonna be up for a task 320 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 2: and it's gonna be important that this defensive line get pressure, 321 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 2: that these linebackers find a way to fit. And you 322 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 2: know that they're gonna try to attack your linebackers in 323 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 2: the in the passing game. That's what they've done in 324 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,559 Speaker 2: the past with Saquon, so you have to it's it's 325 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 2: gonna be a group effort to do that. But at 326 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 2: the end the with saying all that third down is 327 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 2: gonna be the most important down and it's not gonna 328 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 2: be getting to fourth down. It's gonna be keeping it 329 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 2: fourth and long instead of fourth and short. 330 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 1: On third you need zero's TFLs takeaways. Yes, And speaking 331 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 1: to your point about the offensive line, maybe the best 332 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 1: tackle tandem in the National Football League. If it's not 333 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: the best offensive line in the National Football League, it's 334 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 1: at least the best ince the Rams have scene since 335 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: Week one in Detroit. Yeah, but they had some success 336 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: against that Detroit lines offensive line. So think how far 337 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: they've come since then. 338 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's a lot of pride there with those 339 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 3: two tackles. There's a lot they think they can do, 340 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 3: which is great. They may leave those edges open on 341 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 3: third down and say your guys can't get to my 342 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 3: guys because of my tackles. And if you win, there's 343 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts. But that's half the problem. Is he can scramble. 344 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 3: And when you talk about guys like Brown at receiver, 345 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 3: it's not the call player that scares me. It's the 346 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 3: jazz session. It's when he breaks contained because he is 347 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 3: so big and he plays the rules letter tight or 348 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 3: really tight, and he plays bullyball like Debo will just 349 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 3: you know, force his way into the end zone. So yeah, 350 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 3: it's gonna be tough. You're gonna have to keep him 351 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 3: in the pocket. Third down is, like you said, is 352 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 3: gonna be an adventure for both sides. You got to 353 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 3: get off the field and you got to stay on 354 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 3: it if you're Matthew Stafford, because if you give them 355 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 3: the football again, more often than not, they're gonna drive 356 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 3: that thing right down your throat. 357 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think this battle could be decided 358 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: as soon as Sunday night. It first has a big 359 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 1: game and the Rams win, Like that's it right there 360 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: in week twelve for me, If not, then maybe Quinon 361 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: Mitchell or Cooper Dejeen, like the top two picks in 362 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: their draft class. Again, you've been talking trying. 363 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 2: To tell people. Ever, I was trying to tell people 364 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 2: in the draft like that was the best player that 365 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 2: I had seen. And I know, yeah, they thought the 366 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 2: Rams were gonna take it, right, and then the Rams 367 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 2: go with Bradon Fisk and then he go, he gets there. 368 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 2: They they've done a great job of really identifying their issues, right, 369 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 2: They've they've had secondary issues for the last couple of years. 370 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 2: They go out and draft two guys first and second round. 371 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 2: They've kind of solidified that Cooper Dejene in the slot 372 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 2: terrific tackler, right, And so you're gonna be paired up 373 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 2: against Cooper cup and who breaks a ton of tackles. 374 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 2: So that's gonna be a big issue. And then I'm 375 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 2: excited to see how Quinya Mitchell handles the physicality of 376 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 2: Pookina Kua. That's what I'm interested to see because he's 377 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 2: done a great job against like Terry McLaurin and other 378 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 2: guys that are more finesse, right, They're not as like 379 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go through you like we saw Pookakup catch 380 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 2: that third down slant. I'm gonna go through you to 381 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 2: catch this slant. He hasn't really seen that type of physicality, 382 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 2: So let's see how he matches up with that when 383 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 2: they get massed up. If he can handle the size 384 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 2: and the brute ability of Puka. 385 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: Let's go to the other side of the trenches. And 386 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: that is the Rams offensive line reconstituted as it was 387 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: in New England, with Bolimber the rookie center stepping back 388 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: in war McClendon held his own at right tackle. We'll 389 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: see if Rob Hagnstein is able to make it back 390 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: for this week or if it's McLendon again. But just 391 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: like you kind of go from the one oh one 392 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: class in New England to the graduate level test on 393 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: the other side of the ball, kind of the same 394 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: thing here. When you're looking at the menacing front of 395 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: the Philadelphia. 396 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 3: Eagles sweat is when you draw up pass rushing outside linebacker, 397 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 3: it looks like him tall, lean the guy makes moves inside. 398 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 3: Davison carter I mean, it's less get your hands down 399 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 3: kung fu style. This is clubs and take you out 400 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 3: of your shoes. So this will be a full time job. 401 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 3: And I love Brandon Graham fifteen years in. Oh dude, 402 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 3: He's an absolute technician and just a dog out there 403 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 3: talk trash the whole. 404 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 2: The whole game. 405 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 3: So this is gonna be for This will be the 406 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 3: stiffest test of the year for this rams O line. 407 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 2: It's funny you talk about the clubs and stuff with Carter. 408 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 2: I've also seen Carter's whip with win with straight finesse, 409 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 2: like don't touch me, get at like hands and get there. 410 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 2: So you're gonna whoever's going against him mass They're gonna 411 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 2: have their hands full. Now Davis is just a bigger body. 412 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 2: He's gonna try to like bull rush you. But Carter's 413 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 2: been playing unreal. 414 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: Yes, I mark something he said this week that last 415 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: year when the Philadelphia Eagles are here, he keyed in 416 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: on the fact that, oh, we're playing in a silent 417 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: count environment. And so they started studying the hand signal 418 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: and they got get off and they got to Matthew Stafford. 419 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: He's banking on that again. Sunday Night Football Philly travels. 420 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 3: You know what big guys hate though, tempo, oh, no huddle, 421 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 3: wear them out. 422 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the one thing I've always I played with 423 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 2: the tule. I played with a couple guys. You're your 424 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 2: head coach at Washington was with me and Jacksonville. That 425 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 2: was one of his things. We played bigger defensive lineman. 426 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 2: Throw the ball to the outside, get those guys running sideline, 427 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 2: the sideline, and keep them on the ball right, and 428 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 2: then take your shots like the old time. When he 429 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 2: comes out, then you have your chance to run your 430 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 2: offense and take your shots. I remember Sean used to 431 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 2: do that a lot with that metal huddle, keeping guys 432 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 2: on the field and locking them in and doing all 433 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 2: the different things. It may be time to do that 434 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 2: again this week and right and use it to your advantage. 435 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: Interesting though, because he's been shuffling personnel at his skill 436 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 1: group more than ever before right this year at tight 437 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: end and receiver, So that prevents you from kind of 438 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 1: using some of that tempo to your advantage. 439 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 3: And wise you can, like you said, make them go 440 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 3: side to side and a lot of motions, make them talk, 441 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:33,959 Speaker 3: make them have to reset a lot. Maybe you get 442 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:34,640 Speaker 3: keys on him. 443 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: I will say this, unlike last week where New England 444 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 1: just blitz the daylights out of Matthew Stafford and he 445 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: torched them a couple of times. That's not what Vic 446 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: van Jo and Philly do. It's not their identity, it's 447 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: not their philosophy. And they don't have to because the 448 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: game records they have upfront. So you'll have to beat 449 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: them a different way. 450 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 2: Most like, oh, yeah, they're gonna sit back and play coverage. 451 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 2: I mean, they're gonna rush for They're gonna play coverage 452 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 2: every now and then. They're gonna get the manna man. 453 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 2: And you know, Nakobe Dean is playing really well and 454 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 2: normally you say, okay, I think that we have a 455 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 2: matchup with Kyron against the linebacker. N Kobe Dean has 456 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 2: kind of showed up and a guy that hasn't played 457 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 2: in a little bit had to work his way into playing. 458 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 2: He's he's really getting this. He's kind of the center 459 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 2: point to this defense, right him and Zach Bond. Yeah, 460 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 2: I mean they're both they're both doing a great job 461 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 2: of covering the. 462 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 3: Back out of the backfield. That's Fangio to me, those 463 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 3: two linebackers. That's basically him on the field. How they 464 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 3: get you covered up and aligned to whatever you're doing 465 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 3: just so they can get after you. With that front, 466 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 3: they don't make a ton of mistakes. You're gonna have 467 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:31,360 Speaker 3: to earn every single yard. 468 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: Am I the only one who's fascinated by like Vic Fangio, 469 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: the specter of his defense and what it's meant to 470 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: every stage of the Sean McVay rams era like he 471 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: was the one who put the blueprint down in Chicago 472 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 1: on another son in night yead six to one. Then 473 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick borrowed from and led to their downfall in 474 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. I think it's led to several evolutions 475 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 1: of the Rams, whether it's hiring Brandon Staley and adopting 476 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: some of that with Aaron Donald and Jalen Ramsey, or 477 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: even evolving your running game the way that they have 478 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: in these last couple of years. And that's kind of 479 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 1: where I'm going next, because I think, with you here 480 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: in the seats next to me in this game coming, 481 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: it's the perfect time to dig into the running games 482 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 1: because Philadelphia is elite with their quarterback, offensive line and 483 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: running back and the Rams aren't getting enough. And when 484 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: you look at the key to their stretch run last season. 485 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: It started in Week twelve, a trip to Arizona, the 486 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: return of Kiraing Williams, and they were a runaway freight 487 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 1: train from there. Is that within their reach, let's start 488 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: on the Rams running game. Is that within their possibility 489 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 1: right now in this moment. 490 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 2: I think it is. I personally believe it is. I 491 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 2: just think there's been a lot of issues. Right You've 492 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 2: had the offensive line woes, You've had some schematic issues, 493 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 2: guys trying to block with not the right leverage, and 494 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 2: then you've had runners miss holes. I was gonna say 495 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 2: against the Patriots, they had ran the counter trade to 496 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 2: the right, Kirroen breaks it for like, you know, twenty 497 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 2: yards thirty yards. Then they go back and run the 498 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 2: same play to the left and he dives inside instead 499 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 2: of following that that pulling tight end around. And so again, 500 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 2: it's been a little bit of both. When you have 501 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 2: great schematics, you have to hit it, and it sucks 502 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 2: as a run because when you're in a situation where 503 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 2: you have to be almost be perfect in the run game, 504 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 2: it's hard for you. Now you're like laser focus, like 505 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 2: I got to make the right read. I have to 506 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 2: do this instead of just reacting to things, and so 507 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 2: I think that's kind of what they're working through right now. 508 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 2: I thought making the change that the offensive line helped 509 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 2: a ton last week, Like I love I love Limber 510 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 2: back in that spot. I think Limber has done an 511 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 2: awesome job. And we talked about the blessing in disguise 512 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 2: over over the last couple between the horns. But that 513 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 2: that is right, all those reps. Now I feel more 514 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 2: comfortable with him being the center, and now I have 515 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 2: extra guys that can play other positions. And then the 516 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 2: last light least. It's it's the schematics, right. Last year, 517 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 2: everyone thought the Rams were a down outside zone team. 518 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 2: They became a downhill team, right and Kyron was breaking 519 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 2: off runs, he was manipulating the linebacker doing all those things. Well, 520 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 2: you have a whole offste now to study what they 521 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 2: were doing. So now you have to zig when they're zagging, 522 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 2: which means, okay, we need to get back to the 523 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 2: outside zone a little bit. We've seen the Rams have 524 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 2: a ton of success with their outside zone, so maybe 525 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 2: that's something you have to look for. Hooking guys and 526 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 2: getting around the outside and trying to get bigger plays. 527 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: Any perspective on that, do you want to flip to 528 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 1: the other side. 529 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 3: I was just putting myself on the other side of 530 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 3: what he was saying as a defense, and I just 531 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 3: remember I could you could tell when a running back 532 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 3: has zero confidence in his line. And it was almost 533 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 3: laughable the stuff they would try to do when we're 534 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 3: just kicking the guys butt in front of us. All 535 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 3: these tricks and all this stuff. It ain't working, bro, 536 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 3: I mean, why stop? And even when he's got a lane, 537 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 3: he's chasing ghosts because we're kicking his butt so bad. 538 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 3: But to me, to fix a good running game, you 539 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 3: just have to keep going through it. And you tell me. 540 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 3: I think Kyron is a good back, a better than 541 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 3: average running back in the National Football League, But I 542 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 3: do expect guys like him and your lead back to 543 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 3: be able to break tackles every now and then, even 544 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 3: if I get it, sometimes the design of the play 545 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 3: is to get you one on one and then I 546 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 3: expect you to win. That's what Philly does. Can I 547 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 3: expect Kyron the same out of Kyron? I think I should. 548 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 3: Don't have a question. 549 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 2: He did it last year. 550 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,679 Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying so at some point it's not 551 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 3: about scheme or it's not about whatever. Sometimes it's about 552 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 3: that guy deciding he's just not going down. 553 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 1: Before we talk about stopping Philadelphia's run, I just want 554 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: to tack on that. When we say running game, at 555 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: least speaking for myself, I don't always mean a traditional handoff. 556 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 2: Right. 557 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: There's all sorts of extensions of the running game, your 558 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: quick game, you're now stuff like what game was it Minnesota? 559 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: Or they motioned away from Puka, like they motioned the 560 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: quads away from Pookin, just threw him now route and 561 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: let him go get his Like that's an extension of 562 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 1: the running game. To me, your screen game, which has 563 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: not clicked, is part of that. Because what's Fick Fangio 564 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: gonna do. Like there's a reason why mel Kaier this 565 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: offseason was like we got to ban two high safety shelves, 566 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: Like this is the guy. He's gonna tack down your explosives. 567 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: He's not gonna give you zero blitz sixty nine to 568 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: the house. He's gonna make you earn it one step 569 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: at a time. 570 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I also put play action pass in your 571 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 2: running game, right, and. 572 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: That's effort's been incredible at it. 573 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 2: And that's why I've when the red zone, I was like, 574 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 2: the play action passed the fake stretch. When you run stretch, 575 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 2: you have success with it. They all start to overcommit 576 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 2: and then you're able to boot away. And that's a 577 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 2: part of your running game as well, because again it's 578 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 2: off of a run action. To me, I think, again, 579 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 2: whatever you figure out success And I said it on 580 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 2: the broadcast when Kiren broke that counter run and then 581 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 2: Sean came right back to it. We've never seen Sean 582 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 2: do that. Go same play the other side. 583 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 1: I will say this to you, reminded me of something 584 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: and to Mark and I have discussed this recently. I 585 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: think Sean's best ability as a play caller is stacking blocks, 586 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: like forming his own patterns, his own tendencies, making sure 587 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: that you know what he's going to do, showing you 588 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: that same look and then giving you an answer to it, 589 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: flipping the script, using your rules and your principles against you. Well, 590 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: here's the problem. It's been under construction so much of 591 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: trying to assemble this plane at thirty thousand feet after 592 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: takeoff that he hasn't been able for multiple weeks to 593 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 1: put those tendencies down on tape, do them well, has 594 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: success with them, and then say, oh, you think I'm 595 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: going to give you this here it is out the back. 596 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 2: Well, I thought he did that against the Patriots in 597 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 2: the first play where he threw the ball to pukin Nakua. Right, 598 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,679 Speaker 2: he gives you a heavy run action, then he runs 599 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 2: like he's going left and he comes back and he's 600 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 2: wide open. Yeah, and how many times we've seen him 601 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 2: fit in on the linebackers and safeties. They're getting to that, 602 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,360 Speaker 2: and that's why I said it's it's taking a little 603 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 2: bit of time because of all the missing pieces. But 604 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 2: I think again, as long as they continue to work out, 605 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 2: it's like the old adage is chopping wood, right, you 606 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 2: just got to keep chopping the venture of the tree falls. 607 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 2: That's what they're at right now because they started so 608 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,360 Speaker 2: late with all the injury. Or your axe breaks on 609 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 2: or the axe hits off the wood and it goes 610 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 2: right into a guy's leg in your locker room. 611 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 3: But that's never first pass to Puka was so awesome motion. 612 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 3: Then you go back through the line of stag like 613 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 3: that's that's just pure design. You gotta love it. 614 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: And again if they hit a few more of those 615 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: third downs, maybe you start to build off of that 616 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 1: sooner in the game and you run away with that victory. Again, 617 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: the Patriots last week, good effort. Definitely not the Eagles 618 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: you're contending with here, in part because Philadelphia has the 619 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: best running game in the National Football League. Running back, quarterback, 620 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: you name it, they do at all. About The only 621 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: bad thing you can say about Sequon is he keeps 622 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,919 Speaker 1: getting tackled inside the two yard line and letting his 623 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: quarterback hawk his touchdowns. 624 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 2: Right first and foremost, we need to is this my 625 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 2: single uh to the Giants? Why why would you do this? 626 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 2: Why would you allow this man to hit Freecy nor 627 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 2: where he was going? So the whole world has to 628 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 2: deal with this. 629 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: I think you know the answer, and do it with 630 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 1: a behind the scenes show tracking your every decision out 631 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: there for everyone. 632 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 3: What are we doing? 633 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 2: You knew he was going to Philly. Everyone knew he 634 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 2: was going to Philly. If he didn't, if he left 635 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 2: the Giants, I mean that's if you're a running back, 636 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 2: why wouldn't you want to go to Philly? They have 637 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 2: everything you have a running quarterback. So now the defense 638 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 2: has to play eleven on eleven football, so I don't 639 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 2: have to see two guys, only have one guy to beat. 640 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 2: Then they have an offensive line that can create seams. 641 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 2: And guess what. On top of all that, they have 642 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 2: two first round two first round wide receivers on the 643 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 2: outside that can go and a tight end that can 644 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 2: make plays. I'm just a piece of thing. 645 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 3: I'm just a piece of the puzzle. Winning isn't complicated. 646 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 3: People complicated. 647 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,239 Speaker 1: I do like this opportunity, opportunity for the Rams defense though, 648 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 1: and Chris Shult because a little bit, like we said before, Miami, 649 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 1: they've developed this reputation for being like pocket puncturers, like 650 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 1: takeaway artists, disruptors, but they have other muscles to flex, 651 00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 1: and they have stopped some pretty good running games. It's 652 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 1: not been as consistent or as persistent as we like 653 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 1: to see, but I like the chance they have ahead 654 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 1: of them Sunday. 655 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 3: Night, the Rams stopping this this rushing attack against Look, 656 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 3: if here's the thing, and you can tell me, facing 657 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 3: guys like Maurice when it gets cold and you're outdoors, 658 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 3: that stinks. Facing Saquon Barkley outdoors when he's got a 659 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 3: lead or he can pound on you that stinks. So 660 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 3: you're here, you're in so far. I think the same applies. 661 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 3: The last thing you want to do is let Philly 662 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 3: have a lead going into the fourth. You'll see Saquon 663 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 3: a lot. You may see him hurtle two guys going backwards. 664 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: He's this game, but at historical levels after halftime in 665 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: terms of yards per carry. 666 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 3: But if you're doing the job offensively, if you're staying 667 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 3: on the field, if you're running the football effectively, if 668 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 3: you're keeping Saquon and company off the field, you've got 669 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 3: a better chance to beat him. The more points you score, 670 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 3: the less you see Saquon. The less you score, the 671 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 3: more you're gonna see him. I'll say this too, Stopping 672 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 3: stopping the run is going to be tough. Let's let's 673 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 3: just put it's going to be hard to do that. 674 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 3: But you have to beat your one on one blocks, right. 675 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 3: That's how you stop the Eagles. It's when you get 676 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 3: one on one because they double team a ton. When 677 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 3: you get that one on one, if it's on the edge, 678 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 3: if it's over the guard, if it's over the center, 679 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 3: you have to win your one on one. And the 680 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 3: other part is this all you talked about offensively. If 681 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 3: you get up and you were able to force Jalen 682 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 3: Hurts to have to throw the ball, that's where you're 683 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 3: at your best. Because Jalen Hurts drop back game, that's 684 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 3: where the Eagles aren't like the top of the league. 685 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 3: They're they're kind of in the middle, towards the bottom. 686 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 3: So getting him to have this drop back a ton, 687 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 3: that's where you win this game. When he could do 688 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 3: the play action pass and the. 689 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 2: Quarterback run and all that in the red zone and 690 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 2: the potition push, then the year in the world of trouble. 691 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 2: So forcing him to be play left handed is gonna 692 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 2: be what you want to do. 693 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: Two things on that, I'm encouraged by the progress that 694 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,919 Speaker 1: Tyler Davis has made it as a defensive tackle. That 695 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 1: Bobby Brown is put together maybe his best month as 696 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: a pro. Like those are the times of early down 697 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: run stuffers. You're gonna need to have big nights against 698 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: these Eagles. 699 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 2: No question. 700 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 3: This is what you're here for. I mean, this is 701 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 3: if you're Bobby Brown, this is how you're gonna make 702 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 3: your money. If you want to make some money in 703 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,159 Speaker 3: the NFL, this is it here. You were the biggest 704 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 3: body they have the whitest guy by far. I mean, 705 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 3: like you said, the first guy that gets off the 706 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 3: bus is him. So if you want to make a 707 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 3: name for yourself, go nose to nose with Philly and 708 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 3: turn them back. 709 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,959 Speaker 2: Well, he gets in TFLs on. He's he's done that. 710 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 2: Like he's dominated Miami. He dominated the line of scrimmage 711 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 2: against Miami. He's dominated the line of scrimmage against Minnesota. 712 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 2: He's done some really good things. This is gonna be 713 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 2: your tough test. And you're right if you want to, 714 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 2: if you want to get paid, go out here and 715 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 2: start moving guys out the way. 716 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 3: He walks like he's carrying luggage. So beat that guy. 717 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 2: So I gotta tell you this that we're in the 718 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 2: elevator getting on the go on the bus, and like 719 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 2: you know, I kind of get in the back corner 720 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,239 Speaker 2: of the elevator and he got in. He took like 721 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 2: the whole thing up. It was just me and him. 722 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 2: I was like, bro, like this thing is big enough 723 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 2: for the bus? Stare said. It's like, and it's big 724 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 2: enough for all Like we asked three more people. He 725 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 2: was just walking around. I was like, I get it now. 726 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 2: Ice was through a metal detector that's how big he is. Yes, 727 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 2: So that was before the game. 728 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: After the game, were flying home from New England, and 729 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: before the plane takes off. Well MJD didn't see it. 730 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: He was already sleeping because that's what he does. But 731 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: DeMarco and I were watching the Seattle Seahawks go to 732 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: Santa Clara and get that win over the San Francisco 733 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: forty nine ers, kind of reframe the division, put it 734 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: back within comfortable striking distance. Let's turn the playoff picture now, 735 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: the six and four Cardinals and the five and five 736 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: Seahawks this week. We said it last week. You better 737 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: be accustomed to rooting for the Seahawks, as awkward as 738 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: that feels, because the Rams need them right now. 739 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 3: We are Seahawks fans right now. Oh yeah, we the 740 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 3: Rams have the toughest assignment this weekend of anybody, right 741 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 3: I got Philly. 742 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: San Francisco and banged up going to the Snow and Lambeau. 743 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 3: You could argue, but yeah, but I mean, so we're 744 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 3: all Seahawks fans. I don't know what to make of Seattle. 745 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 3: I don't know what to make of Arizona right now. 746 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 3: Are they really the best team in this division? 747 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: They're nuxt three at Seattle at Minnesota, home to Seattle. 748 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 2: It's tough. 749 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,959 Speaker 3: They had a tough stretch, it's cold, and this is 750 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 3: you know, Kyler Murray is a run around type guy. 751 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 3: Will he still be that guy when it turns cold 752 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 3: and you got to go play outdoors? I don't know. 753 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: So I'll say this. I don't think this is a 754 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: gotta have it must win Sunday for the Los Angeles 755 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: Rams because of what happened in the division. But I 756 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: will say, if you want to keep your wildcard hopes alive, 757 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: you gotta win this one. Because I'm looking at Minnesota. 758 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: If they win this week, that's nine for them, Gonna 759 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: be tough to catch them. If Green Bay wins this week, 760 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: and that's what the Rams want to happen, beat the 761 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: forty nine ers, that's eight plus the head to head, 762 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: they're getting a bit out of reaching the wildcard. And 763 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: if Washington wins this week, that's eight for them, and 764 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: they've got a clear path to eleven or maybe twelve 765 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: with the schedule that I've seen. So again we return 766 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: our focus to the division. I think that's the best 767 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: and hopefully not the only, but definitely the most direct 768 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: path to the postseason be better than those other three teams. 769 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 3: I want to turn the league Auden's head because I 770 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 3: don't know that many people that's picking the Rams to 771 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 3: beat Philadelphia because they think Philadelphia is this unstoppable juggernaut. 772 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 3: So what happens if we get to Monday and the 773 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 3: opposite happens? So how do you start reconfiguring who goes 774 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 3: where and whatever? But I agree with you, I think 775 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 3: the easiest path to make the playoffs is to win 776 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 3: the NFC West. Some of these teams are just gonna 777 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 3: run by you by by their schedule. But I think 778 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 3: if you beat Philadelphia, you change a lot of opinions. 779 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 3: You changed perception like that. 780 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 2: It reminds me of a time I was in Jacksonville 781 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 2: and we were playing and we were kind of either 782 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 2: going we were going against the Colts for the division, 783 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 2: and Jack Darrell said this, and it resonates right now, 784 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 2: like we can only worry, Like we can worry about 785 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 2: what they're doing, but we have to control. We can control, 786 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 2: We have to handle our business. If you do what 787 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 2: you're supposed to do, everything else all fall into place. 788 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 2: You can't like, we can't be playing Philadelphia and rooting 789 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 2: for Seattle right like we can. But as a player, 790 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 2: you have to be locked in on making sure you're 791 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 2: doing the best you can to beat Philly, because that's 792 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 2: the only path that matters, is that the one that 793 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 2: you create. Now when you get into a situation where 794 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 2: you have to like we're over here holding hands and 795 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 2: hoping and watching TV and hoping. So that's the worst 796 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 2: feeling in the world because it's out of your control. 797 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 2: And as a competitor, you want to have control everything, right, 798 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 2: you want to be able to control your own destiny. 799 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 2: So if I'm the Rams, I'm focusing on on on Philly, 800 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 2: we beat Philly, then hey, Seattle, hope you do your thing. 801 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 2: Green Bay, hope you do your thing. If you don't, 802 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 2: we still took care of what we need to do. 803 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: I hear you by not listening to you, like, because 804 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: at four point thirty on Sunday, I'm be doing this. 805 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not talking about I'm not talking about us. 806 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 2: I'm talking about the players, yeah, and the fans. We 807 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 2: all should be looking roodent. 808 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: Because I've got the I've got the magic number ten 809 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: in my head, right, ten wins. I hope that's enough. 810 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: Maybe it'll be eleven. But if I'm thinking, how do 811 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: the Rams get from five to ten between now and 812 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: the end of the season, I think the last two 813 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: are gotta habits, Right, you get to host Arizona and 814 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: Seattle to finish. Given what we're talking about winning the division, 815 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: you got a bank those, right, So then that means 816 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: can you get three of these next five between now 817 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: and then? I think they can? 818 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 2: Yeah? 819 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 3: Why not? Same as you? It just being I heard 820 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 3: nothing of what you said. Beat Philadelphia, that's it. 821 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 2: Beat Philly. 822 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 1: Huh, All right, then fine, give us the game and 823 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: that's that's all you're gonna talk. Okay, you get to 824 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: start keys of victory then. 825 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 3: Okay, we we We've said it. I mean it's it's 826 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 3: a retread. I mean, you've got to stop Saquon Barkley. 827 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 3: That's going to be number one. They're gonna lead with that. 828 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 3: That's the tip of the spear. When you get in 829 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 3: the red zone. I think it's a mathematical certainty they 830 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 3: score because they have so many weapons, even ones we 831 00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 3: haven't mentioned. We didn't even talk about their tight ends 832 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 3: and they're good. Yeah, so there's a lot of issues there. 833 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 3: So I think this game It comes back to what 834 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 3: the Rams do. Offensively, Ken Matthew Stafford and companies stay 835 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 3: on the field long enough, pick up first downs, score 836 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 3: when you get down the field, and put the pressure 837 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 3: on Jalen Hurts to have to throw the ball to win. 838 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 3: If it's the opposite way, I wouldn't say you have 839 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 3: no chance, but your chances are slim to beat them 840 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 3: if they're running the football. 841 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I'm gonna go something completely 842 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 2: different than I normally go, like running game or third down. 843 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 2: Like to me is put pressure on Kellen Moore, put 844 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 2: pressure on their oc force him to have to call 845 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 2: it the perfect game with meaning that offensively, your scoring points, 846 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 2: you're holding the ball. Defensively, you're creating some issues for 847 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 2: him where he can't just turn around and be like, 848 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 2: oh here handed off to Saquon, oh here. He has 849 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 2: to start dialing up plays. When he dials up plays. 850 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 2: We saw it in LA when he was with the Chargers. 851 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 2: We saw with the Cowboys he tends to get a 852 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 2: little nervous. And what I mean by nervous is like 853 00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 2: he'll call a play and it just it just doesn't 854 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 2: flow the same. When he gets out of his flow. 855 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 2: That the Eagles don't look as good. And I think 856 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 2: early in the year they the Packers did a great 857 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 2: job of getting them out of the flow, and the 858 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 2: Saquon saved them right this the Saints got them out 859 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 2: of their flow. Saquon saved them right. So if you 860 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:15,759 Speaker 2: can find a way to get him out of their flow, 861 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 2: get him out of his flow, I think you have 862 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 2: a great chance of really putting up some points and 863 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:20,359 Speaker 2: doing some good things. 864 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: Something you said earlier reminded me. You know, we've been 865 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: harping on the slow starts for the Rams. In seven 866 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: of their ten games, they haven't scored so much as 867 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: a point in the first quarter. You know, he's been 868 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 1: even worse. Philadelphia has put up eight zeros in the 869 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 1: first quarter. So maybe there's an opportunity to jump them 870 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 1: and kind of dictate some of those terms like you're 871 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,360 Speaker 1: talking about. Hey, one other thing in the backdrop that 872 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: I want to mention here before we go on between 873 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,839 Speaker 1: the Horns, DeMarco and all his buddies from the championship team, 874 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: fifth anniversary to be here and. 875 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 3: We still look good? Is everybody coming? Every most of 876 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 3: the guys are coming. That was the cool thing about winning. 877 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,919 Speaker 3: When we did, we were all roughly the same age. 878 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 3: So yeah, we get to all come back and do 879 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 3: this again. So special. So we're gonna mission for a 880 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 3: little bit. We'll bet I'll be doing that halftime stuff. 881 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 3: I'll be doing the m scene. I'll get to announced 882 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 3: Tory and Isaac, and it's gonna be so much. I 883 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 3: cannot wait to get to game day. Tory, who's going 884 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 3: into the Hall of Fame? Some Yes, this is the year. 885 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 3: You tell me we were both teammates at Tory Hole. Listen, Tory, 886 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 3: I learned a lot from Tori. I actually have two 887 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,359 Speaker 3: teammates going in. Hopefully this year it's gonna be Fred 888 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 3: Taylor and Tory. Yeah, that'd be awesome. Look, Tory does 889 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 3: if if the other guys are already in, then Tory 890 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 3: Holt is definitely he should be. And let's get this done. 891 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 2: All right. 892 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 1: Let me see if I can check all the Toyota 893 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: boxes here. It's Sunday Night Football, presented by Toyota, the 894 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 1: Rams hosting the Philadelphia Eagles, trying to snap that six 895 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 1: game winning streak. We say so long and have a 896 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 1: good rest of your week. From the Toyota patio. Here 897 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: at gorgeous Sofi Stadium, and as always, between the horns 898 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 1: is presented by your Southern California Toyota dealers. 899 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:47,319 Speaker 3: That was nice. 900 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 2: Wow you did that. 901 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: Let's check, get behind the wheel of our Toyota and 902 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 1: drive home Ago. 903 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:52,359 Speaker 2: I'm sure