1 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: Thanks, and welcome back to the Carol Markut Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 2: My guest today is Ben Dominich. 3 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: Ben is a Fox contributor and the host of The 4 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: Big Ben Show, editor at large at The Spectator, and 5 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: writes for the trans Some sub Stack. 6 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 2: Hi, Ben, so nice to have you on, Carol. 7 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:23,479 Speaker 3: It's great to be with you. You're one of my 8 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 3: favorite people in this industry. Thank you a real part. 9 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 3: You're visual invited to talk to you today. 10 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: I have been a long time, Ben, and I actually 11 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 1: was thinking this, like I feel like I've been reading 12 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: you and watching you for so long, like longer than 13 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,279 Speaker 1: you know, most people in our world, in this thing 14 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: of ours. But I don't know the origin story. How 15 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:45,279 Speaker 1: did you get into this business? 16 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 3: So I have kind of a weird life. And I'll 17 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 3: just put that. I'll just put that in front and centers. 18 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 3: I was born in Jackson, Mississippi. I grew up in 19 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 3: the South in Charleston, South Carolina, North Charleston near Park 20 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 3: Circle for the listeners who are from South Carolina, Nancy 21 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 3: Mace's district now and it is. And I grew up 22 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 3: in a family that was not particularly interested in politics 23 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 3: other than the pro life issue. There was actually a 24 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,559 Speaker 3: picture of me when I was a kid that ran 25 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 3: in New York Times of me holding a sign at 26 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,839 Speaker 3: the March for Life in DC because my family would 27 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 3: make the track up there every year to March. I 28 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 3: was born to two Christian hippie foresters, which is, I 29 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 3: know sounds a little odd, but I'm not really. I 30 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 3: don't think they're very crunchy, and they were, I mean, 31 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 3: I think you would have considered them kind of conservationist 32 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 3: environmentalist types, you know, within that space. 33 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, do you remember Roger had that whole crunchy conservative movement. 34 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 3: God was talking about my people basically so interesting, and 35 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 3: they got into the homeschooling thing very early before it 36 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 3: really kind of took off. And so I and my 37 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 3: younger siblings. I have a younger sister brother and another 38 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 3: sister who came later because she was adopted, and we 39 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 3: which is ended up being actually it's the same lineup 40 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,399 Speaker 3: as my as my wife. But in terms of that, 41 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 3: but the thing, wow, yeah, but the thing that's that 42 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 3: was really president in our lives from me, gig Go 43 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:24,959 Speaker 3: was that we were part of the homeschooling movement, and 44 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 3: it really was not for some people. It was like 45 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 3: a religious thing for my parents. It was more of 46 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 3: a we think our kids are very smart and we 47 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 3: want them to be able to push ahead. It was 48 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 3: a real royal ten and bombs kind of situation. And 49 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 3: to be quite honest, the three of us older ones, 50 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 3: I'm probably number one. I'm the least accomplished academically. I'm 51 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 3: a I'm a college shop out and they all of 52 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:49,119 Speaker 3: course got have multiple. 53 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 2: Who cares about college? It's like a gas job out 54 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 2: of college. 55 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 3: Exactly exactly do you have the best kind of degree honor. 56 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 3: So the thing that is the thing that really happened 57 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 3: was that within the homes movement there was a guy 58 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 3: who came up who will be familiar to people, Mike Ferris, 59 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 3: who ran for lieutenant governor in Virginia. We moved to 60 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 3: Virginia when I was I guess eleven ten, and my 61 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 3: dad happened we happened to go to the same church 62 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 3: as this fellow who was a homeschooling leader, and he 63 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 3: asked my dad to run his campaign. And it was 64 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 3: an upstart campaign like you would have thought of it 65 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 3: as a kind of a proto tea party thing. Yeah, 66 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,239 Speaker 3: and it was our first real experience in elected politics, 67 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 3: and how did you. 68 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 2: Pick your dad for this? Your dad is, like I know, a. 69 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 3: Minute ago, very odd and it was a big deal 70 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 3: that my dad kind of made like rolled the dice on, 71 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 3: like leaving. He was working for like a literally like 72 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 3: a paper company, and it was something that we did. 73 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 3: And then it put us into this whole new sphere 74 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 3: of this like homeschooling kind of quasi libertarian, crunchy activist community. 75 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 3: And I really got the political bug. I would watch 76 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 3: the McLaughlin grew with my family. We would, you know, 77 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 3: sort of, which was very surreal when it ended up 78 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 3: being able to be on it with most of the 79 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 3: same original folks eventually, and I was I was interested 80 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 3: in that, but I always thought I was going to 81 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 3: be I always wanted to be a magazine writer. I 82 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 3: wanted to work for National Geographic or something like that. 83 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 3: I wanted to go travel the world and write like 84 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 3: four articles in a year, and you know that are 85 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 3: kind of books or novellas. I love that land in 86 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 3: a place and understand every time, to understand everything about it. 87 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 3: And then I went to Willem and Mary while I 88 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 3: was in college nine to eleven happened and I completely 89 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 3: changed my plans because of it. It changed plans for 90 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 3: both my sister and my brother as well, who both 91 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 3: ended up and you know, going into the military side 92 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 3: of things, my sister working at the Pentagon under multiple 93 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 3: administrations and my brother going into the army, and we 94 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 3: I went into the writing side of things. I went 95 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 3: and was an intern at the White House speech Writing 96 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 3: Office under W. Bush and then stayed on a little 97 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 3: bit there as a speechwriter, and then went over to 98 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,359 Speaker 3: jess where I wrote for Tommy Thompson while he was 99 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 3: the secretary there, and then went to Capitol Hill where 100 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 3: it was a speech writer for John Corny. And really 101 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 3: I just went on a completely different path than I 102 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 3: thought I would. I thought I would end I would 103 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 3: be like in the magazine world. The irony of it is, 104 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 3: I'm now kind of, yeah, I'm I'm now kind of 105 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 3: in the job that I like. I literally, you know, 106 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 3: just my last report was, you know, a thing where 107 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 3: I went to Madrid to cover a bunch of stuff, 108 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 3: and it's like I ended up in the thing that 109 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 3: I thought I would, but I took this circuitous route 110 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 3: to it, and you know, along the way, I co 111 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 3: founded Red State, which a bunch of people and with 112 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 3: a bunch of people and sold it. You know. I 113 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 3: got to edit a bunch of controversial books in the 114 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 3: course of like a year when I worked at Regnery, 115 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 3: including for like Ben Shapiro and people like that, and 116 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 3: then co founded The Federalist ran that for ten years 117 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 3: as publisher. And now I'm at a largest spectator and 118 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 3: I ended up at Fox, which, to be quite honest, 119 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 3: I always thought I was going to be somebody who 120 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 3: just communicated with written word. And it just seems a 121 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 3: little surreal to me still to be even on television. 122 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: Really, you have such a great voice, Like I feel 123 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: like your your voice lulls me into like wanting to 124 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: listen to you more. 125 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate it. It's due to my vices. The 126 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 3: thing that I would just say is I feel very 127 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 3: fortunate to be where I am. I am so lucky 128 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 3: and in so blessed in life. I got divorced when 129 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 3: I was younger, never thought I would have kids. Then 130 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 3: I meet this woman who happens to be the daughter 131 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 3: of a famous senator, but is someone who I actually 132 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 3: fell in love with and have had two kids now 133 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 3: with two daughters, and in the way right third on 134 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 3: the way, a son on the way, and the quickening 135 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 3: in her roomb is it is the so exciting. The 136 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 3: hour is late, so it's I think it's going to 137 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 3: be here before Christmas, but she thinks that earlier after 138 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 3: we have to be But I guess the thing I 139 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 3: would just say is there's some people who kind of 140 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 3: start out and they just go gung ho, guns blazing 141 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 3: to try to get into the industry and to make 142 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 3: their mark and to be able to, you know, have 143 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 3: a column that they're writing somewhere, to get on TV, 144 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 3: to do this kind of commentary thing. And for me, 145 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 3: I kind of feel like I ended up there by accident, 146 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 3: and I still kind of have to pinch myself. I 147 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 3: still have a little bit of that mister Smith attitude. 148 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 2: Honey, you're very natural at it. 149 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: That's why, like I could see have imposter synt. All right, Well, 150 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: I guess my question always is what would a Plan 151 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: B have been for you? What if this hadn't worked out? 152 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: What if you, you know, start trying to be a 153 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: writer and it just doesn't happen. What would have what 154 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: would have different road you might have taken have been? 155 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 3: Well, I think they're kind of I think the actual 156 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 3: way that I would have ended up having my mark 157 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 3: is I think I would have just gone into sports. 158 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 3: I love sports, I love sports radio, I love talk. 159 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 3: I think that it's work quality than it should be. 160 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 3: I just interviewed Seth Wickersham on my show a couple 161 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 3: of weeks ago. She just wrote this great book about quarterbacks. 162 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 2: I thought you were going to tell me that was 163 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 2: a quarterback or something. 164 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 3: No, No, that's fine. Seth writes for Yet he was 165 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 3: a writer for The Athletic and ESPN, the magazine and 166 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 3: that kind of thing. He's a writer for ESPN and 167 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 3: he has this great book about quarterbacks where he interviewed 168 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 3: all these famous quarterbacks and like did these deep dive 169 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 3: profiles and it's like dramatic and moving. That's totally the 170 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 3: dream job. I would love to do something like that. 171 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 2: I also love I'm doing that. You have your own podcast. 172 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: You could do whatever you want. You could have an 173 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: episode a week on you know, whatever sports topic. 174 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 3: Ben once, whenever I talk about sports. What I'm told 175 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 3: is from my producers is that is that people are 176 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 3: less interested in your collectors they are in politics. And 177 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 3: they don't show me the numbers. 178 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 4: But I believe my view of them because I feel 179 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 4: like people love when we are off of our you know, 180 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 4: typical thing, when we're not just talking about the issues 181 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 4: of the day. 182 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 2: I think they like when we, you know, get into 183 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 2: an interest or maybe maybe they don't, maybe they hate 184 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 2: it anywhere. 185 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 3: Here's what I truly think, Carol. I somehow I ended 186 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 3: up into like in this like young serious guy Lane 187 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 3: because I do Special Report and I do some of 188 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 3: these serious shows, and I really envy the fact that, 189 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 3: like other people get to be funny, I think to 190 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 3: be I get to be I try to inject the 191 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 3: humor when. 192 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:31,959 Speaker 1: I can, but like, but you are funny, and you're 193 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 1: writing you are funny. 194 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 3: Well, thank you. I appreciate that. I wish that I 195 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 3: could put more of that into like the TV side 196 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 3: of things. And for whatever reason, I'm in this young 197 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 3: serious Guy Lane. 198 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 2: It's hard on Special Report. What are you going to 199 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 2: crack jokes with? Brett? You know? 200 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 3: I will say the I don't know what you have 201 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 3: as like an icebreaker when you meet new people or 202 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 3: when you have, you know, kind of I always. 203 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:56,719 Speaker 2: Look look at them awkwardly. I don't know. I don't 204 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 2: really have when. 205 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 3: I when I whenever I meet somebody who I'm going 206 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:01,839 Speaker 3: to do something with, or you know, it's it's like 207 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 3: a new thing, or there are two questions that I 208 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 3: typically ask if I'm interviewing you for a job, which 209 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 3: is not something that I do now but used to 210 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 3: do quite a lot. Usually I ask people what their 211 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 3: favorite conspiracy theory is. It doesn't have to be one 212 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 3: that very tough right now, but I want to hear 213 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 3: what their favorite conspiracy theory is. And then and then 214 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 3: for people who especially if it's a situation where I 215 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 3: was paired recently with this great a Christian guy who 216 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 3: runs a major pro life group for an event in 217 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 3: Dallas promoting the Dallas Dallas's major pro life group, and 218 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 3: I always ask of them, what's your favorite dark joke? 219 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 3: Because that's a good measure of like, good, yeah, how 220 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 3: dark someone is willing to go? And also like it 221 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 3: tells me something about their sense of humor and what 222 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 3: you're going to be able to, like, you know, break 223 00:10:57,760 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 3: their balls about. 224 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 1: I don't ask this on your show, Oh you if 225 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: you have people, I'm not. 226 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 3: Always I'm not sure. I'm not sure how you know. 227 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 3: Mark Wayne Mullen would respond to that question but I'm sure. 228 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 2: He has a given exactly the right kind of people. Yes, So. 229 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 3: The thing is that I think that kind of you know, 230 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 3: it opens things up. And you know, look, I love 231 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 3: I love comedy, I love Hollywood. I don't think I 232 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 3: would really want to write about them because they'm not 233 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 3: as passionate about it as I maybe I am about sports. 234 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 3: But but I think that's the alternate kind of route. 235 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 3: And you know, my let me just put it this way. 236 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 3: My dream, even though I was never somebody who could 237 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 3: who could play sports all that well, my dream job 238 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 3: would be like I would like to slide into that 239 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 3: chair next to Al Michaels and make him more interested 240 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 3: in the game. Yeah, and I'm not I'm not saying 241 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 3: that just because you know, I think that, you know, 242 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 3: there's a lot of boring pairings frankly in the sports 243 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 3: commentary world right now. Yeah, but you know, just to 244 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 3: be able to talk about Jerry Jones for like an hour, 245 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 3: it's like dream for me. 246 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: You could, you know, you could come on here and 247 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 1: talk Jerry anytime you want. 248 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,959 Speaker 2: You know, I'm a big Cowboys fan. Yes, that definitely 249 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 2: discussed Jerry's world. 250 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 3: When congratulations on having a quarterback with two working arms. 251 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 3: I'm told that's helpful. 252 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 2: Who's your team? 253 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 3: Oh, I am a diehard Washington fan. I have been. Yes. 254 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 3: So my mom is actually from the DC area and 255 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 3: she's the sports fan in the family. She gets she 256 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 3: has national tickets that we get for her every year 257 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 3: and is a passionate sports fan. My dad grew up 258 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 3: in the Caribbean and so because of that, he doesn't 259 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 3: really care about like American domestic sports as much. He 260 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 3: goes along for the ride. But like, it was always 261 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,559 Speaker 3: my mom who was really passionate and gets really sad 262 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 3: when like a player gets traded or injured or something 263 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 3: like that. 264 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:46,839 Speaker 2: I love that. I actually love a mom being super 265 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 2: into it. That's cool. 266 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, she scores all the games when she goes to 267 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 3: the Nats park. And it's funny because she sits next 268 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,959 Speaker 3: to these two like these two older black guys in 269 00:12:56,040 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 3: their like probably late seventies, early eighties, and they're all 270 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 3: friends and they all score the games together. End. 271 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 2: Why do people do that? I've always kind of wondered, 272 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 2: why did you? 273 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 3: It's like making it's like almost like scrap booking or 274 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 3: something like that. 275 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: Do they think that actual scorers are making a mistake 276 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: or they're just keeping. 277 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 3: It for their own No, it's more than I think. 278 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 3: It helps them remember every game and they can look 279 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 3: back at them and sort of say at the end, oh, 280 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 3: you know, I was there for that, and I'm a 281 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 3: big I mean this year I got the Nationals offer 282 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 3: a I'm a bigger football pam in baseball, but the 283 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,559 Speaker 3: Nationals offer like a walk up plan where you can 284 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 3: basically walk into any game and it's standing room. But 285 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 3: then there's the seas are never full, so you can say, 286 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 3: you know if you want to. And I got to 287 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 3: see so many interesting moments that I never would have 288 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 3: seen otherwise. I went to all the Dodgers games that 289 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 3: they had this season, and there was there was a 290 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,959 Speaker 3: pitcher for the Nationals and he was a reliever who 291 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 3: had to start because of an injury. Like it was 292 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 3: not it was not an ideal situation against the Dodgers, 293 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 3: and reading up on him, it was before the game, 294 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 3: it turned out that he had been working at home 295 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 3: Depot the previous like literally months earlier, Like he was 296 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 3: working at home depot over Christmas, like he was in 297 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 3: charge of the Christmas tree lot. 298 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 2: That's amazing. 299 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 3: He is pitching in a game that's so good against 300 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 3: the Dodgers, and the first pitch, the first hitter that 301 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 3: he faces is sho Heo Tani. Okay, you know the 302 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 3: best most talent my. 303 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 2: Name I could probably name in baseball. 304 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, and and he strikes him out. 305 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 2: And it's just like, that's awesome. 306 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 3: How can you not love sports. That's something that's just like, 307 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 3: you know, it's it's amazing. 308 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: So I love the whole get them off the couch, 309 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: you know sports phenomenon. 310 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 2: That's always a good time and fun to watch. Yeah, 311 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 2: So I. 312 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: Don't know, I think you can definitely work more sports 313 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: into your repertoire. 314 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 2: I think you're you're ben dominant. You could do whatever 315 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 2: you want. 316 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 3: Really, I appreciate. I wish I always. When I was 317 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 3: in in like twenty and eleven, twenty twelve, I was 318 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 3: on the Blaze when they were having their New York show. 319 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 3: I don't know if you ever did that show where 320 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 3: it was a panel and it's so funny. 321 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, my first time on TV was that. 322 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 4: Yeah. 323 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 3: Oh really, Okay, So people who don't know the show 324 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 3: it had on it s E Cup, Yeah. 325 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 2: Oh, Will Kine, Will Kane Sexton. 326 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 3: UK Sexton, heg seth, Well I was not with him, 327 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 3: but yeah, yeah, and usually there was a rotating chair 328 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 3: and I was in the rotating chair sometimes it's funny 329 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 3: and uh. And did like the coverage of like the 330 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 3: the twenty twelve, the Romney Convention with them and everything 331 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 3: like that, And it's just so funny to see where 332 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 3: everybody I know, right, I love that. 333 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, And whenever I'm on with Buck and Will, I 334 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: was like, you guys were both there the first time 335 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: I was ever you know, on TV. 336 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 2: It was exciting times. 337 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, very cool. 338 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 2: We're going to take a quick break and be ready 339 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 2: back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. What are you most 340 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 2: proud of in your life? 341 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 3: I think the thing that I'm probably most proud of 342 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 3: is that, you know I've made I think I've made 343 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 3: some bad decisions in my life. I've made mistakes like 344 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 3: everybody does. But right now I would say I'm probably 345 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 3: the happiest I've ever been in life because of making 346 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 3: the decision to, you know, ask my wife to marry me, 347 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 3: and to have these two beautiful little girls, and to 348 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 3: be raising them in an environment and with a job 349 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 3: or multiple jobs where thankfully I have enough time to 350 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 3: just spend time with them all the time and be 351 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 3: present in their lives and seeing them grow and seeing 352 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 3: them push ahead. I mean, I am someone who really 353 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 3: believes in pushing ahead. Thanks to homeschooling, you know, I 354 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 3: was someone who was always like a a year ahead 355 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 3: of where my age would dictate when it came to 356 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. And so I'm always pushing them 357 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 3: to try things that are new. And we have, you know, 358 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 3: a son who's going to arrive soon. I'm just most 359 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 3: proud I think of my family and the fact that 360 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 3: I was able to do that after screwing up a bunch, 361 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 3: you know, when I was younger and not being able 362 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 3: to have a family and really coming to kind of 363 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 3: think that I was never going to be able to 364 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 3: have one. And it required a lot of tough times. 365 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 3: I mean, going through the death of my wife's father 366 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 3: so public, and you know, I mean this literally being public, 367 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 3: but I mean, I you know, I had to go 368 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 3: to the White House and tell Jared and Ivoka that 369 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 3: they didn't want their you know, their dad to come 370 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 3: to the funeral and that kind of thing, and it 371 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 3: was it was just a very tough time all around. 372 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 3: And I think helping you know, everyone in my life 373 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 3: through that was really a challenge. And so I'm I'm 374 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 3: proud of that. I'm proud of the of my family 375 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 3: and of my kids, and you know, I've started a 376 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 3: bunch of companies. Some of them have been successful, some 377 00:17:56,280 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 3: of them haven't, but I'm more proud of them of course. 378 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like you guys are. I mean, it's 379 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 2: such a beautiful family. 380 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 1: I love want to hear Megan talk about the kids, 381 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: and I just love watching you guys. But yeah, I 382 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: think that that's what we should derive pride from, right, 383 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: I mean, everything else is so secondary, and you are 384 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: in a very golden time. 385 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 2: I have my kids are a little older. You know, 386 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 2: I know everybody tells. 387 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: You enjoy every minute, and it's very, very hard to 388 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: actually enjoy every minute. But you know, you're in such 389 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: a good time, and the fact that you recognize that 390 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: you're already a step ahead, it's really wonderful. 391 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 3: And the thing that I also would encourage people about 392 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 3: is that, you know, I know that there's this whole 393 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 3: thing about you know, you need to start earlier or like, 394 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 3: you know, people are worried about delaying things wrong, especially 395 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 3: in the DC area. You know, there's so many examples 396 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 3: of women who are struggling to get pregnant when they're 397 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 3: you know, well past the age where you would have 398 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 3: recommended it for medical reasons and things like that. And 399 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 3: so I think that there's a natural hesitancy for people 400 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 3: where they say, you know, isn't that risky or isn't 401 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 3: it hard? You know, especially if you are, you know, 402 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 3: maybe in a position where you're worried about finances or 403 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 3: things like that, and it costs a lot, especially if 404 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 3: you live in a city, to you know, just do 405 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 3: the basic things to kind of keep up with the joneses. 406 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 3: But the thing that I would just encourage people with 407 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 3: is pulling the trigger on it is something you will 408 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 3: not regret. You will not regret it. Ever, it will 409 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 3: always be you know, My wife's only regret, what she 410 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 3: expresses to me, is like, I wish we could have 411 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 3: started sooner, and she knows that we couldn't, but you know, 412 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 3: it's just because of timing and not even knowing each 413 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 3: other and that kind of thing. But it's also just 414 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 3: like a this is the most fulfilling aspect of it. 415 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 3: And I don't mean to denigrate anybody who's who's single, 416 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 3: or who can have kids or anything like that. It's 417 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 3: just more that like, for me, this is what gives 418 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 3: my life purpose and everything else is just secondary. 419 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: There's no words, there's no words to describe it to 420 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: people that don't don't have it. About the starting early, 421 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: my husband and I were best friends for a decade 422 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,959 Speaker 1: so before we started dating, so we could have started 423 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 1: early had we been smarter. 424 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 2: But it goes the way it goes. 425 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 1: And what are you going to do? Give us a 426 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: five year out prediction, and it could be about anything, 427 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 1: anything at all. 428 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 3: So I'm going to stick to sports a little bit. 429 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 3: Uh yeah, do it by I predict that by twenty thirty, 430 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 3: the NFL will have announced that it is going to 431 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 3: expand in a global way with multiple teams in Europe 432 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 3: and perhaps one in Mexico City, and that what's really 433 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,199 Speaker 3: going to fuel this is the fact that we're going 434 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 3: to have a reintroduction of supersonic travel across the Atlantic, 435 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 3: and that that technological barrier coming down, which essentially cuts 436 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 3: in half the time that you know, teams need to travel, 437 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 3: is going to be the thing that allows teams to 438 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 3: be able to you know, not have kind of some 439 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 3: of these weird London experiences that people have had or 440 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 3: something like that of you know, not being able to 441 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 3: travel quickly enough across and that I think is going 442 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 3: to be a huge American footprint placed on the world. 443 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 3: And I think I think it's going to be a success. 444 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 3: I think the amount of interests and appeal of that 445 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 3: in an era when so much else in terms of 446 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 3: entertainment is going downhill. The numbers for the NFL are incredible, 447 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 3: and I think that you're going to just see that 448 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 3: expansion happen and make a lot of people a lot 449 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 3: of money. 450 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 2: Wow, this is the most interesting prediction I have gotten 451 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 2: on this show. 452 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 1: Like I have to tell you because a lot of 453 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: people the very standard answer right now is AI. 454 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 2: AI is going to be good. AI is going to 455 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 2: be bad. There's a lot of that. But this supersonic 456 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 2: travel is coming back in the NFL, is going to 457 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 2: expand to other countries. This is this is some good stuff. 458 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, you you heard it. You heard it here first, 459 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 3: or you've heard it here. And the Wall Street Journal 460 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 3: has profiled this supersonic company a bit, and it's it's 461 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 3: really fast, it's fascinating stuff. But I think you know, look, 462 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 3: this is America. Is is producing sports content in a 463 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 3: way that the world really wants to get into in 464 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,199 Speaker 3: a huge way, and that this is this is going 465 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 3: to be I think a major part of that and 466 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 3: seeing it firsthand during the Madrid game was it was 467 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 3: just impressive. And the and the way that they've established 468 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 3: a footprint there in Europe as an alternative to to 469 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 3: foot their football is something that I think is very real. 470 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 2: I love it. 471 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 3: Roder Goodell believes in manifest destiny for the NFL. 472 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. 473 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: I mean and Jerry Jones on the supersonic plane on 474 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 1: the way to play in Europe. 475 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 2: I love to see it. 476 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 3: Oh man, he's gonna have some fun on that trip, 477 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 3: that's forr sure. 478 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 2: It really is, Ben. I have loved this conversation. 479 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: I again, you've always been one of my favorites, but 480 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: really getting to know you has been fantastic. Leave us 481 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: here with your best tip for my listeners on how 482 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: they can improve their lives. 483 00:22:53,840 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 3: So this is probably an uncomfortable tip, but for yourself 484 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 3: to become a morning person, it's really you can do it, 485 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 3: because I was not and I forced myself into it. 486 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 3: Kind of how do you do it? 487 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 2: Because I'm like a mid afternoon person. 488 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 3: You have to start giving yourself early morning obligations that 489 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 3: you have to fulfill in order to do various things. 490 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 3: I now do most of my writing before seven o'clock 491 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 3: in the morning, and it's just one of these things 492 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 3: where the adjustment time will take time. But once you 493 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 3: do that, the other thing is it gives you an 494 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 3: easy out or an easy excuse I would say, for 495 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 3: being the first to leave when it comes to the 496 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 3: evening events. 497 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 2: Really what this is all about, isn't it. 498 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 3: And to me, that is something that is actually critical. 499 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 3: Like if you have the excuse of saying, oh no, 500 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 3: I have to do this in the morning, and it 501 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 3: means that you're not the person shutting down the bar, 502 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,439 Speaker 3: you will feel better. You really will, trust me. Too 503 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 3: many late nights is bad for you, and I know 504 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 3: that from experience, and nothing good to happen after a 505 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 3: certain hour at night. Bad decisions are made. And so 506 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 3: I'm just telling you it's a much better to become 507 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 3: a morning person, even if it makes you boring, and 508 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 3: even if it means you're doing irish goodbyes at parties 509 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 3: that are well away from being over, but you will 510 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 3: feel better for it, and it'll make you more tolerant 511 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 3: once you have to interact people around seven and eight 512 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 3: o'clock in the morning. 513 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 2: I love it. He is Ben Dominic. 514 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: Check out the Big Ben Show, read him at the 515 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: Spectator and sign up for the Transom on sub sac. 516 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for coming on, Ben, it's great 517 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 2: to be with you.