WEBVTT - Mets Beat Pirates, Zac Thornton & Sean Manaea Shove, 2027 Mets Look Good? | 601 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.000 What is up? Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode 0:00:02.000 --> 0:00:04.960 of the Mets Up Podcast. A series win against the 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:07.680 Pittsburgh Pirates. I said we were gonna have to do it. 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:10.520 I mentioned to sweep two of three. Not gonna get greedy, 0:00:10.560 --> 0:00:13.560 but the Mets are playing unbelievably good baseball, coming out 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:16.040 of the trade deadline where they actively made their team 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:19.200 worse by getting rid of Major League Baseball players. And 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:21.919 here we are, we're playing good baseball. Looking forward to 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:23.919 the twenty twenty seven Mets. That's gonna be a big 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:27.120 theme of today's episode, talking about the future, cause the 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:29.840 young guns are just absolutely dominating right now. Before we 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:31.840 get going into it, make sure you guys subscribe to 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:34.320 the Mets Up podcast over here on YouTube, and if 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:35.880 you're listening to us in the car, shout out to 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:38.840 you guys, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google drops the rain Drops 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:41.920 a review, download and subscribe, And also big shout to 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:44.479 all the members who get access to this episode early. 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:47.600 We got an early ender. James, it's fantastic. We're recording 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:49.519 at five forty one. I'm gonna be done with this 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:50.320 by eight o'clock. 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:52.600 I know for us this is this is a miracle, 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:55.720 and again this Mets team continues to play good baseball. 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:59.000 It's do these six games out of the break. Let 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:01.000 us side the the blowout on Saturday. 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:01.280 Whatever. 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:03.600 Neither here nor there, but it's fun to watch this 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:06.720 team play. The lineup was rolling on Friday and Sunday. 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:09.360 Great starting pitching on Friday and Sunday. 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:10.920 I almost want to lead with Sean Manyax. 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:13.080 I think he's especially if we're going to focus the 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:16.120 conversation on what's going to happen twenty twenty seven, who's 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:17.680 going to be here, who's not going to be here, 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:21.640 what's the path to competitive? Being competitive baseball? Team A 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:24.520 Shawn and I has a high three Zra or like 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:26.080 he's had for the last three months now. 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:27.400 A low three is a high two. 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:30.319 Zra is a starting pitcher who's throwing ninety four miles 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:33.680 per hour, who's striking out eleven bathers, a Mets season high. 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:35.840 No Mets pitcher struck out more batters in the game 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:38.039 this year than Sean and I did on Sunday. This 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:40.920 is a wonderful development and one that I wish was 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:42.600 happening as this team was trying to keep their head 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:45.760 above water rather than just again looking towards the next season. 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:48.240 Yes, but again building towards twenty twenty seven. We know 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:51.360 that Scott McClain and Thornton are definitely going to be 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:52.920 a part of this rotation right now, which is a 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:55.800 hilarious sentences say out loud. And Mania is too, but 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:58.120 he's kind of the guy that everyone's going under the 0:01:58.160 --> 0:02:00.760 radar with because it's always more exciting to talk about 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:02.320 the great young arms that the Mets have right now 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:04.800 in the rotation. But we're going on what almost two 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:06.800 months now with Shawn and I being not just a 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:10.640 Cape three pitcher, yeah, being a solid, solid pitcher. And 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:12.160 for him, like you said, to have an era that 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:15.000 could float in the low fours, high threes, you have 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:16.919 that as your four or five starter. All of a sudden, 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:19.080 this Mets team feels so much different. And what do 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:21.280 you know, the Mets have been winning more baseball games 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:23.919 when they get actual capable starting pitching on a day 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:27.079 and day basis. I can't believe that some way, somehow, 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:28.960 Sham and I is making more of an impact for 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:31.440 the twenty twenty six Mets than Freddy Peralta ever. Did 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:31.840 I mean? 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:33.720 Yeah, it's not even a question. It does suck now 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:35.440 when you look back that it took Sean and Ia 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:37.799 six weeks to get himself totally back together, when there's 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:40.120 all the nonsense about his ramp up coming. 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:41.480 Through himself seat of spring training. 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:43.960 Really frustrating how this all has gone down. But again, 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:45.560 the fact that he's here I pack. Now. Do you 0:02:45.639 --> 0:02:48.160 want to hear some other pitchers in Major League Baseball 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:50.320 who Shaan and I and even after all the nonsense 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:52.880 early in the season, with at least one hundred innings pitched, 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:55.519 who have a higher than Shamanaia's four point one to 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:56.120 three er. 0:02:56.800 --> 0:02:58.320 Yes, give me, give me some names. 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:02.480 Okay, Franbervaldez, Will Warren and Davis Martin who were world 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:05.160 beaters for the first two months of the season. Trevor Rodgers, 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:07.120 who people thought should have been considered the top twenty 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:08.720 pitcher coming into the season. He's been really good for 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:13.280 two months now. Nathan Yuvaldi, Kevin Gosman, Dustin May who 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:16.320 just traded for two top hundred prospects, Brian Wu. People 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:19.040 can say the top five pitcher in baseball coming here, guys, 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:21.239 So let's still think it's all good there. But it's 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:25.079 just it's kind of amazing, how really Freddy Pearl to 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:27.200 David Peterson, two other ones, two old friends over there 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:28.840 all the way with the back of the era leaderboard 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:31.040 is just it's really nice to see and the most 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:33.519 encouraging I think about Manaya, as Gary and Ron talked 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:35.520 about today, as they have for his last few starts. 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:38.120 This fastball is just on another level right now. Yeah, 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:40.560 his confidence to beat hitters with it in the zone, 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:43.480 his confidence to elevate that thing at the leathers, to 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:45.560 throw the pitch sixty percent of the time. We're going 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:47.640 on like four starts in a row now, to get 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:49.680 that thing up to ninety five a few times, to 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:52.840 sit ninety three harder than he's even sad any of 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:54.920 the last few starts, and then bust the sweepers off 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:56.760 that showing two different kinds of sweepers too. 0:03:56.840 --> 0:03:58.600 You saw today there was a faster one, a slower one. 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:00.360 He broke off one that was like really for one 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:02.320 of the strikeouts, and like the fifth or sixth ending, 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:05.160 he's just he very comfortably looks like a mid rotation. 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:06.600 Guys, we had to next year, which is all we 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:07.360 ever could have asked. 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:09.960 Yeah, again, like we are looking forward to twenty twenty 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:12.480 seven because this season is over. I do see some 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:14.720 Mets fans doing like the hopium right now of like, 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:17.279 if we just play like the Red Sox did for 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:19.480 the last month and a half, we could make the playoffs. 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:21.560 I'm like, think about what you just said. Could. It's 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:23.719 still not even a guarantee. The season's over. They're not 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:25.920 doing anything in twenty twenty six. But it is super 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:29.200 encouraging to see because a lot of who is doing 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:32.000 the good play are guys who are very much gonna 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:34.680 be here in twenty twenty seven and are expected to 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:37.040 be a part of the core past the twenty twenty 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:38.880 seven season. Even even just. 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:40.320 Give a sense of like what actually I hope you 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:41.640 and Mets have to do they get in for the 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:43.880 Mets to end the season, five hundred will not happen, 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:47.040 no chance whatsoever. They have to go thirty and fifteen, 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:49.680 which they have to play. They have to play six 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:52.360 six sixty seven ball. The rest this season of course 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:55.039 not going to happen. And the other part of this 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:56.840 conversation is kind of funny, is there are a lot 0:04:56.839 --> 0:04:59.080 of Mets fans and this isn't even like logically speaking, 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:01.760 that I won't like Chastis someone for this, but that 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:03.480 are really upset that the Mets are blowing their tank 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:06.640 because the Mets have so much more to gain than 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:08.920 every single other and at least not every most other 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:12.040 baseball teams. Just by finishing the season with a bottom 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:14.680 six or even a bottom four record, because of our 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:18.039 draft pick doesn't fall within the top six, it gets 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:18.839 pushed back ten. 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:20.080 Spots, as it has every other year. 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:23.520 Really really negatively impacted our draft pool and our MLB 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:24.359 draft strategy. 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:26.240 And for odds wise. 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:29.360 You have an eighty eight percent chance if to get 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:30.599 a top six pick if you have one of the 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:32.680 three worst records, eighty two if you have one of 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:35.000 the four worst records, then sixty three. One of the 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:36.720 five worst, which is where the Mets are right now, 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:40.479 then six tors fifty one, seven thirty nine, eight twenty nine. 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:43.159 It's very flat odds, not like the NBA where they 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:44.520 right now, it is like the new NBA. 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:47.480 Actually yeah, it is where they're a new NBA where 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:48.320 they're reflattening the odds. 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:50.320 But there's it would have been really beneficial for the 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:52.880 Mets draft next year to have a bottom three record. 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:54.800 It doesn't seem like that's going to happen anymore. 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:57.520 No, especially because like you look at the A's, you 0:05:57.560 --> 0:05:59.880 look at the Angels, you look at the Rockies, even 0:05:59.880 --> 0:06:03.000 the Giants, those teams are just yeah, the Royals, those 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:05.440 what I name four or five teams right there, theres 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:07.839 are better than us. Still, I don't think that's even true. 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:09.719 What are you talking The Giants have less than fifty wins? 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:10.560 What are you talking about? 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:13.440 Giants are Oh wait this this Tecathon is very very 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:13.919 far behind. 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:14.040 Then. 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:15.760 Yeah, I was like, what are you saying the Giants? 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:16.920 The Giants are done? 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:19.560 Yeah, you're correct on that that we do not have 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:20.560 the fifth worst record in the league. 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:23.280 Still, No, we definitely don't. And the Mets are gonna 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:25.400 get cold again. This team is still not good. I 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:27.719 want that to be very very clear. But again, the 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:30.960 players that are making the impacts right now. I love 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:32.880 that we can look for guys, even like when we're 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:35.200 talking about the chaos bullpen right now, I love that 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:37.640 we're finding dudes that feel like not just gonna stick 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:39.320 around this year, but like will be part of this 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:42.040 bullpen next year too. Yeah, definitely, And I do wonder 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:44.000 everyone wants to hear about Joan. I can't believe you've 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:45.880 got seven minutes say without talking about Jeffrey. I can 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:50.880 great moment on Friday Night one coming into a game 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:52.840 in big time trouble. For some reason, it was the 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:54.960 ghost of Carls. Mendoza returns to the Mets, stuck out 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:55.640 and after. 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:58.039 Daniel Nunis got through with clean six sitting, it'll be like, nice, 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:00.760 get Danielle out here, head held high. Now comes back 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:03.000 out for the seventh, doesn't get a single out. Jeffrey 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:05.279 Yon enters the game as a left handed pitcher, making 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:08.240 his second major league appearance with I think three ridies 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:10.920 do up the bases, loaded, nobody out, and he kept 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:13.280 it to one run on a sack fly. Really good 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:15.440 work Byon and the biggest play of which the one 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:17.400 that closed the inning a ball in the dirt because 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:19.240 he was throwing some dirt balls. That's right, Oh yeah, 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:21.000 and Terrence was really doing well to block a lot 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:23.400 of those. It got like seven feet away, ten feet away, 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:26.680 Terrentz slid down Yon like a lightning ballt covers home 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:28.360 plate the second the ball was in the dirt and 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:29.080 it makes a tag. 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:29.960 Was Alon Reynolds? 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:32.960 Was it Triolo might been Triolo. Honestly, I think might 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:35.520 have been Triolo Triolos. They mentioned something, you know, realized 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:38.280 Triolo and Baty same high school, did not know that. 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:40.160 I think Trio might be a bit older. But that's 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:43.480 both both Lake Travis guys. But Jared Triolo also a 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:44.920 generational Mets killer. 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:47.360 Like they were in high school, same time, two year difference. 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:48.960 Oh wow, that's pretty good man. They were the same 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:51.760 baseball team, pretty talented. But like we always joke about 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:54.600 how like Jared Triollo was, like he was so pesky, 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:56.440 and then like last year he kind of became my 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:58.360 guy a little bit, like I started buying into it. 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:00.400 And he's not played well this year, but he still 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:02.320 shows up every single time against the Mets. 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:03.760 And he's still good defense. Yeah, he loves playing this 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:04.240 Mets team. 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:06.600 But again, y'all on to enter a game like that 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:08.960 in a situation where it was not not a good 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:11.240 situation at all, but to get himself out of it 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:13.200 in that situation and to make the big play and 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:15.760 then to keep showing his emotion after it, like it's 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:17.960 I don't know, I truthfully don't know if he's going 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:20.040 to be in this bullpen next year. But yes, he 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:21.880 has six years of team controlling three options, so I'm 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:23.520 assuming he'll still be in the organization no matter. Watch, 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:25.080 we're gonna have a lot more jeffani in the future. 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:26.960 But he's I really like watching. 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:29.080 The pitch and company. Yeah, how many left handed pitchers 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:30.760 throw one hundred and one miles an hour? 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:32.800 Why didn't he have a job yet then? Guy? 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:37.199 Because because major League Baseball is being the old man 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:41.360 crankiness of the celebrations, the antics. When you shove one 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:44.040 on one, I think every team in baseball probably when 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:45.920 they saw that, even though they had this data, probably 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:49.880 went shit one oh one with options, he'll never play 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:52.040 for another team. The Mets never have to get rid 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:52.400 of him. 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:53.880 I think it's also the fact that he does not 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:54.679 know where the ball's going. 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:56.240 Hundred and one is great, but it's when he was 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:58.080 throwing those dirtballs and he threw three of them in 0:08:58.080 --> 0:08:58.800 a row, all right. 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:01.000 That's just him being juice up. There were curve balls. 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:02.640 He was trying to make him nasty. He had the 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:04.360 adrenaline going. He's got to get that a little more 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:07.280 under control. But I actually I don't think the control 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:10.120 has been as bad as it's being let on. 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:11.280 I think it's been really bad. 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:14.360 No stop. I think he's missing spots by feet. But again, 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:18.200 it doesn't matter. He's getting Chatman treatment. Just throw it 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:18.720 down the middle. 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:20.440 He's getting a lot of ground balls too. I also 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:22.640 like that Mets social media's leaning into the Yon stuff. 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:24.440 I think I think he either saw you like it 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:26.920 you sent me inster Graham Rail because we're both unks 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:29.959 of mister match is doing things and just yawning afterwards, 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:33.079 Oh and trash. Yeah, like this is something that as 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:34.880 we're doing right now. It's not a lot of excitement 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:36.400 going on with this Mets team right now, which is 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:38.680 funny because they're actually paying well winning baseball games. But 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:41.280 he's he's kind of worth the price of admission. 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:43.360 No, I can't wait to get into city Field and 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:45.720 watch that guy pitch for the Mets, because I mean 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:47.840 I bought a Jeffrey on Jersey. Once I saw that 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:49.960 he had the options and the years of control, I 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:52.320 was like, David CERTs is never letting this guy go. 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:55.360 He will be on this Mets roster, forty man roster, 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:57.640 as long as David Sterns still has this job. So 0:09:57.640 --> 0:09:59.960 if you hate Jeffrey on. That means you're rooting again 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:03.080 the Mets, which means we'll actually rooting against David Stearns, 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:06.040 which then means you're rooting against the Mets success. 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I have thrown thirteen pitch at least ninety 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:20.440 four miles per hour since joining the rotation in mid June. 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:21.560 All thirteen have come in the. 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:22.320 Last two starts. 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:23.880 Hell, yeah, let's go Shaan Mania. 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:25.880 If n I did this a month earlier, do you 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:28.720 think I think that with trade the one hundred, I 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:30.560 think if Sean and Iyah pitched like he has the 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:32.840 last two starts or I guess last three because in 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:34.160 between one of them he kind of gave. 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:34.640 Up some runs. 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:35.679 But I still look nice. 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:37.920 Yeah, he still look nice. I how could you not 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:40.440 be going after him. It's like, if you get this 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:42.640 version of him, that price really isn't insane at all. 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:45.160 No next year him being twenty mil fine, great, yeah, 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:47.400 and it seems will be like cool, done something. We're 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:48.920 really just going to be happy not to have to 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:51.199 think about other things that we want to pull as 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:53.560 we get to the next year's version of the Mets. 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:55.920 Zach Thorton's going to be a big hot button issue 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:57.880 as we get down the stretch this year, because. 0:11:57.640 --> 0:11:59.680 This was another start where I thought he was good. 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:01.840 And the way that he fought through that rain delay, 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:04.080 calling raindelay like right in the middle of an inning 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:05.160 was like, I think, in the middle of an a 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:07.760 bad technically too, was annoying. And on the other side 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:10.400 of this game, carbon Leginski did not handle it well. 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:11.800 Maginsky Maginsky. 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:15.080 Damn, Yeah, there's no donn't the l's useless. I'm ignoring 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:19.480 the L silon L Maginsky. Car He's also someone that 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:21.760 he hadn't actually started the game in about three months. 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:23.760 He made a big stink about when he got pushed 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:26.320 to the bullpen for Jared Jones, who we also live 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:28.040 up on Sunday, which is kind of funny here he's 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:30.880 got an affinity for lighting up the really really talented 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:32.079 Pirates pitchers. 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:33.559 Not pupa Chandler Well. 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:38.600 Crushed him wet and Jones Yeah, but then he seemed 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:40.120 to this Rangelay didn't rely hit him well when he 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:42.240 came back out for that third inning. Marcus sent me 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:44.440 hitting missiles off here definitely definitely didn't handle the rain 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:47.000 delay well, but we got all over him, and Thorton 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:48.000 got through that rain delay well. 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:49.480 The reason he only went five innings with. 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:50.959 Sixty pitches because it just felt like they were trying 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:53.120 to be careful with him. But that color, when he's 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:55.360 just using that color and he's barren down the righties 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:57.320 like that. The rest of this stuff I still think 0:12:57.520 --> 0:12:59.040 needs work. I thought it was one of the better 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:01.520 sliders we've seen him so far. I also still want 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:04.280 to see more for seemers. I need to see more changeups. 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:06.880 A few he threw we're just so they were feet 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:10.440 off the plate. But it's good, and I do I 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:12.440 do caution about like what you just said, like breading 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:14.240 him in pen for next year's rotation. I don't even 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:15.880 think the Mets will go into next season doing that, 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:17.960 But I do think he's going to be You go 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:20.280 into next season where he's the first alternate. 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:21.920 I think you go into next season if he's the five. 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:24.840 That's okay. I really do the fact that he just 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:28.319 doesn't walk anybody alone is very much worth a major 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:31.040 league rotation spot. And again, I think there's gonna be 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:32.920 a lot of people in the Mets World and Mets 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:35.400 fans that are gonna think that Zach Thornton is on 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:37.720 the same level as Christian Scott and Olan McLain because 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:40.280 he's a young pitcher and the era is very low 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:42.280 right now. And this is not to talk down about 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:44.560 Zach Thornton. Don't put the h there is the ac 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:48.880 it's more so like we're hoping that he's just Johnnie 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:51.760 David Peterson of the last couple of years. Yeah, Johnnie 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:54.440 dogg because John Nice was a dog. There's no doubt 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:56.920 about that. David Peterson in terms of your the five 0:13:56.960 --> 0:13:59.080 every single year, and you're gonna give us some spurts 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:02.320 where you are pitching at a really high level because like, 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:05.640 that's truthfully what he is. That's what he's probably going 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:08.480 to be expected to be. Don't put like any sort 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:11.599 of frontline starter shine on him just yet. There's a 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:13.520 lot of development still in his game. But I do 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:15.400 love that he's getting these reps right now. This is 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:17.560 a great time for him to learn these things, figure 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:19.840 it out. There's no pressure. This is your spot for 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:20.520 the rest of the season. 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:23.840 Young Blood definitely another big development from this year. If 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:26.880 you guys didn't we did our top ten Prospects on Saturday. 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:29.440 A big thing is that he's jumped basically all the 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:31.240 pitchers that are in the upper miners on that list, 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:33.120 Like he jumped Jonah Toll this year, he jumped Jack 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:36.040 Wenninger this year. Even still John at Santucci just got 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:38.640 started that TRIPLEA. Will Watson just started making rehab starts 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:41.520 back like he is. He's become the guy of the 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:45.000 young controllable pitchers besides Scott and Nolan. McClain is going 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:46.680 to continue to get chances. Again, he's above all of 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:49.080 these guys. For me, just thinking about twenty twenty seven, 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:51.960 I am curious how they how they view him going 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:54.200 into a full regular season rotation. 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:59.040 Yeah, right now, right now, the guaranteed guys it is McLain, Scott, Imaniyah. 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:01.800 I think Thornton will be there just because again with 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:03.480 the amount of money that the Mets are gonna spend 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:05.720 and need to spend next season, like and the free 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:08.040 agent market besides Terrek School, I think is quite weak 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:10.360 in terms of starting pitchers that the Mets will actually 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:13.560 be able to get. I would love for them to 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:16.240 get better. I would love better than Zach Thornton and 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:17.760 that's not because he's bad. I would just want this 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:19.760 rotation to be as good as it can. But this 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:22.160 is something that we've talked about to off air with 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:24.880 a bunch of different people. Every major league team is 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:27.520 going to have spots of weakness. It is pretty much 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:30.440 impossible to build a team that doesn't have that. Especially 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:32.600