1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: to you by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants. 3 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: I am John Schmelt. Thanks so much for being with 4 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: us today our standard Friday Fair. We have Bob Papa 5 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: with hey coach of the Giants, Mike Kafka. We're going 6 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: to be joined by Tim twenty many covers Detroit Lions 7 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 1: Fordetroit Lions dot Com to give us a little scatting 8 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,159 Speaker 1: report on the Giants opponent this week. But first we 9 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: are going to lead off with our Giants Spotlight interview. 10 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: And in this week's interview, we're going to talk to 11 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: a new member of the Giants that is an older 12 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: member of the Giants. I'll explain. Here's Isaiah Hodgins. We 13 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,919 Speaker 1: welcome back to the Giants family wide receiver Isaiah Hodgins. Hey, 14 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:36,599 Speaker 1: it's good to see man. 15 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 2: How are you. Yeah, I'm good man. I'm excited to 16 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 2: be back. 17 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 3: So. 18 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: I know you've told the story before, maybe some of 19 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: the fans listening and watching haven't heard it. How did 20 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: this go down for you last week? Take us to 21 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: the play by play? 22 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 4: Yeah, so it was wednesday. I just got done with 23 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 4: practice with the Steelers. I was in my receiver meet 24 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 4: and heard my phone kind of vibrating and buzzing, and 25 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 4: I just did a quick peek to see who was 26 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 4: and it was my agent, which is either a good 27 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,319 Speaker 4: thing or a bathroom, you know. So I didn't really 28 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 4: know what to expect, but obviously I couldn't answer or 29 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 4: do anything. And then after I saw that he had 30 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 4: text me and he was like, hey, between me and you, 31 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 4: I think the giants are going to bring you over 32 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 4: to the active And I was like, oh, like, you 33 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 4: know that Dan was crazy, and I called him just 34 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 4: to kind of relign of everything, and then he was like, yeah, 35 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 4: they should be in contact with you. Soon I started 36 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 4: getting the phone calls and you know, they talked to 37 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:26,759 Speaker 4: me and they were like, hey, like we're gonna try 38 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 4: to get you out on the flight tonight, but there 39 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 4: was no flights at night, and then so I had 40 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 4: to wake up at like four am to make sure 41 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 4: I caught like my five something flight, you know, like 42 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 4: in the morning, hopped straight over like packed my bags 43 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 4: real quick, and then got straight rolling to practice on Thursday, 44 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 4: and they kind of let me know like, oh, yeah, 45 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 4: you're gonna play. So I was trying to prep myself 46 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 4: to play, but I was thinking it was kind of 47 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 4: going to be like like twenty to thirty plays maybe, 48 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 4: and then yeah, the longer the week went on and 49 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 4: started being like, okay, I'm kind of in a lot 50 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 4: of personnels and stuff, and ended up being whatever, almost 51 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 4: sixty plays. 52 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 2: So yeah, that was kind of crazy. 53 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: What was the emotions like from you knowing that it 54 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: was the Giants, right, because you here for a while, 55 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: you played a very prominent role, and then your last 56 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: year you didn't play quite a prominent role, and I'm 57 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: sure that was frustrating for you. You didn't come back, 58 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: you tried somewhere else, it didn't work out, and then 59 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: you came back. What was kind of like that emotional 60 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: roller coaster with you reuniting. 61 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, I honestly was excited. You know, I always wanted 62 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 4: to come back, but you know, it kind of had 63 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 4: to work out business wise and roster wise and everything. 64 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 4: But like I said before, like I love it here. 65 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 4: You know, I think at this place as my home. 66 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 4: My family does too. My wife loves it, my sons 67 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 4: in love with New York City and football and loves 68 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 4: going to the game. So you know, we were all 69 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 4: super excited for it. 70 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: So how quickly did you feel like, all right, I 71 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: know this playbook, I'm back, this is normal. Or was 72 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 1: it very different from what you would last see when 73 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:47,839 Speaker 1: you were here. 74 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was definitely different from when I last seen. 75 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 4: There was obviously some stuff that overlaid that was like, Okay, 76 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 4: I remember this formation or this call, but you know, 77 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 4: this is obviously my third offense being a part of 78 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 4: this year. So I feel like I put so much 79 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 4: effort in the off season trying to unforget this offense, 80 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 4: because you know, when I was in San Francisco, it 81 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 4: was like, oh, like there's some of the same words 82 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 4: that overlap, but they mean different things. So I had 83 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 4: to like try to forget the old and put in 84 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 4: the new. Then I went to Pittsburgh and there was 85 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 4: like a whole new thing, and now I'm coming back here, 86 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 4: and I was like, okay, I still remember some stuff, 87 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 4: but then there was some different stuff that you know, 88 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 4: I had to like try to my best and memorize. 89 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 4: But the coaches and players did a real good job 90 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 4: of kind of helping me out and everyone you know, 91 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 4: rallying around me. 92 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,519 Speaker 1: Now fans could tell he's right off the field, a 93 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: little out of breath because he was doing a bunch 94 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: of extra routes and throwing with the quarterbacks. Yeah, you know, 95 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: this wasn't the quarterback that was here when you left, 96 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: so whole new set of quarterbacks that they used to 97 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: catch them from. So what was that process like And 98 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: it's kind of still continuing. 99 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, Yeah, it was. 100 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 4: It was kind of really different obviously, just knowing how 101 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 4: different quarterbacks you know, put the zip on the ball, 102 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 4: and as we were talking about earlier, you know, Jamis's 103 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 4: very like time and quarterback rhythm quarterback, and like he 104 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 4: has some zip behind every throw. So it was you know, 105 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 4: kind of being adjusting to that and you know, being 106 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 4: ready for that and getting those extra and obviously you know, 107 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 4: got to throw a little bit with dirt too. And 108 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 4: he's like a great quarterback and he's mobile and he's 109 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 4: able to extend plays and do that. So you know, 110 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 4: I've been able to see a little bit of both. 111 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 4: So it's been fun out there. 112 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: What has it been like working with Jackson this week 113 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: as he tries to return for this concussion and did 114 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: you go back and watch some of his stuff to 115 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: kind of have a feel for him and how he plays. 116 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I've been watching him really all year, 117 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 4: you know, I'm always tuning into the Giants game and stuff, 118 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 4: so I've been able to see just how he can 119 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 4: extend to play, like how he can sit here and 120 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 4: be looking at one to read, get back to his 121 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 4: last read, or you know, make some crazy like out 122 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 4: of the pocket plays. I think his pocket presence is awesome. 123 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 4: So it's really, you know, fun for a receiver because 124 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 4: you can be on a whole different route and then 125 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 4: it's a scrambled drill. Now you're running a go ball 126 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 4: or a different comeback or something like that, and you 127 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 4: know he's extending that play. So it's an awesome opportunity 128 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 4: for receivers. 129 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: I think you talk about scramble rules, but are they 130 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 1: really rules or is there a feel to it? Like 131 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: how specific are the rules. 132 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 4: It's kind of both, you know, like there's definitely like 133 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 4: some I guess you could say standard rules that like 134 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 4: every team would be like, hey, the quarterback rolls this way, 135 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 4: this person does this that, you know whatever. But at 136 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 4: the end of the day, as you said, like it's 137 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 4: kind of a feel too, and you got to base 138 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 4: it off of, oh, the corner was here, or I 139 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 4: didn't feel anybody over here. 140 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 2: So it's it's a mixture of both. 141 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: So when you talk about the offense being different having 142 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: to relearn it, was it just a matter of you 143 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: reclicking the right language, or were a lot of the 144 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: different types of plays and schematics different Because of the 145 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: changes to quarterbacks, you know Daves before now Mike Kafka, 146 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: they're very focused on trying to specify the offense of 147 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: the quarterback. Is that where you think a lot of 148 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 1: the differences came in? 149 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 4: There definitely was some differences there. There was also some 150 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 4: differences for the words obviously, and like when I was here, 151 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 4: you know, we called certain concepts or whatever something different. 152 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 4: So kind of trying to memorize that of being in 153 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 4: the game and hearing this word and understanding okay, and 154 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 4: now I'm mean something different. You know, that's another hunt 155 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 4: that I had to get over. But you know, I'm 156 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 4: continuing to do that. And again it's all credit to 157 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 4: the coaches and the players for helping me out during that. 158 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: When you will look back and I had had a 159 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 1: game to go where you're happy. Fact, I think you've 160 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: had to play so many snaps right away and you 161 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: were obviously very productive. 162 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it was a blessing, man, I was. 163 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 4: I was so just excited to be out there, you know, 164 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 4: to think that I was literally not playing any snaps 165 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 4: to go into play almost sixty snaps, you know, was 166 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 4: you know, I was so thankful to be out there 167 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 4: and have that fun, to be able to make some 168 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 4: catches and make an impact on the game. 169 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 2: And I'm hoping to do it again. 170 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,559 Speaker 1: Obviously, you're very familiar with Mike Kafka. He was YOURROC 171 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 1: when you're here, you get back and you're kind of 172 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 1: in the middle of a lot of change here right 173 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: when you show up and Mike Kafka's first game as 174 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: head coach, what was it like kind of thing him 175 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 1: is in the big chair for the first time. 176 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 4: You know, I liked it, and I liked it when 177 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 4: he was Ocie obviously when I was here. You know, 178 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 4: I think he has a good feel for the game, 179 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 4: for the offense and knowing, you know, how to put 180 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 4: certain players in a certain position to succeed. I obviously 181 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 4: have good chemistry with him, and I respect him a 182 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 4: live as a man and as a coach. So I 183 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 4: think he does a good job of bringing energy staying 184 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 4: on top of the details and holding people accountable. 185 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 2: So you know, I really liked that out of him. 186 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 1: How about Tim Kelly was like working with him as. 187 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 4: He's awesome, man, He's smart, Like I've always thought that 188 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 4: of him, you know, even when he do see obviously, 189 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 4: but you know when he gets up in those meetings 190 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 4: and he's detailing certain stuff. You know, he could be 191 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 4: talking about something random like some screens or some block 192 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 4: and stuff, but like he's so detailed and has a 193 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 4: lot of like logic behind what he's talking about. So 194 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 4: it's always interesting, like learning from those coaches. 195 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: Two things I want to ask you about As a receiver, 196 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: John's US a lot more twelve personnel now than when 197 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: you left. How does that change things for you if 198 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: you're one of two wide receivers instead of one three 199 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: wide receivers, which you guys were mostly in eleven when 200 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: you were here. 201 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean just understanding what the offense is trying 202 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 4: to do and how we could sit there and do that. 203 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 4: So you know, if they're in twelve personnel, and you know, 204 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 4: there might be certain packages where you know, we're more 205 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 4: run dominant, there might be certain packages where we're more 206 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 4: past dominant, you know, and just understanding what the offense 207 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 4: is asking of me, you know, and trying to do 208 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 4: a good job of helping offense out in any way, 209 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 4: shape or form. 210 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: Do you also notice that the quarterbacks seem to have 211 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: a little bit more time to throw now then maybe 212 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: when you were here previously. 213 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you know, when you're in twelve personnel, 214 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 4: I think you see that just across the league. 215 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 2: You know. 216 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 4: I was able to be part of some offenses like 217 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 4: San Francisco and Pittsburgh where they do a lot of 218 00:07:58,240 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 4: the same, a lot of twelve personnel, and it's a 219 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 4: lot of move from the quarterback around and different rollout stuff, 220 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 4: different play action stuff. So you know, it's interesting to 221 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 4: see just how every offense kind of handles it a 222 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 4: little bit differently, but you know, it's it's definitely fun 223 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 4: seeing the different route concepts and seeing how, you know, 224 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 4: the offensive coordinators kind of scheme stuff up. 225 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: It helps. In Pittsburgh you have a three hundred pound 226 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: tight end that can run like total watching. It's a 227 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: crazy weapon, all right, tal what the lines Defensively, they're 228 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: gonna press, They're gonna play a lot of man. What 229 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: does that mean for you as a receiver in the offense, 230 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: trying to defeat what they're good at. 231 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, we gotta gotta be ready. You gotta be ready 232 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 4: to set that tone. Understand that they're gonna be at 233 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 4: home and they're going to want to set that tone. 234 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 4: You know, their physical group, physical defense, whole physical team, 235 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 4: just in general. We've had some joint practices against them 236 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 4: in the past, so you know, we know what to 237 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 4: expect them. We're going to be ready, you know, to 238 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 4: come ready for that challenge. So you know we know 239 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 4: what to expect. 240 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: Is that like extra work on releases and stuff like 241 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:52,359 Speaker 1: that to make sure the timing stats. 242 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 2: Is right, releases, handwork. 243 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 4: You know, I think there's always a vocal point in 244 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 4: the NFL as a receiver, but especially when you play 245 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 4: teams like this, you know you got to be ready 246 00:08:58,679 --> 00:08:58,959 Speaker 4: for that. 247 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: And contest to catches too, right, because they aren't going 248 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: to give you a lot of space. There's no sitting 249 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: down and a d spaces in the so and like 250 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 1: when you catch the ball, there's going to be a 251 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: guy theyre probably chopping your arms to catch. 252 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 253 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 4: And they do a real good job of ball searching 254 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 4: and trying to sit there and punch the ball out 255 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 4: at all times. And I was able to experience that 256 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 4: at both the teams I was at San Francisco and Pittsburgh. 257 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 4: You know, they're real good at literally emphasizing that all 258 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 4: the time at practicing games or whatever, of just punching 259 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 4: at that ball NonStop. So you know, I think I've 260 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 4: been prepped for it. 261 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: So dude, it's good to have you back there. 262 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 2: I appreciate that. 263 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: Isaiah Hodgens John's Little Podcast brought to you by Citizens, 264 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: Official Bank of the Giants. Censure being with us. 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How are you good? 285 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 5: John? 286 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 3: How you doing man? 287 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:23,439 Speaker 1: It's good to talk to you all right, Lions have 288 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: a lot of guys in an injury report, and almost 289 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: those like one of those old Bill Belichick Patriots injury 290 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: reports from like twenty and thirteen. You got a million 291 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: guys that are limited. Who are the guys that Giant 292 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: fans to be keeping an eye out that might not 293 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: play that could really impact the game. 294 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, it looks much worse than it actually is what 295 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 5: I figured. Yeah, a lot of those guys, you know, 296 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 5: you know how it is when you get into November, 297 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 5: late November, December. A lot of guys are dealing with 298 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 5: a lot of different things, but not all of them 299 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 5: are going to keep guys out Sunday. 300 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 3: The two you have to worry about is Terry and Arnold. 301 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 5: He hasn't cleared the concussion protocol yet he hasn't practiced 302 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 5: yet this week as of you know us talking Friday, 303 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:08,719 Speaker 5: so he's probably out. And then Kirby Joseph, they're all 304 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 5: pro safety. He's missed four games. It looks like he's 305 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 5: probably gonna miss a fifth game with that knee injury. 306 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 3: So those are the two of concern in Detroit. 307 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 5: Everybody else on that list has a pretty good shot 308 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 5: of playing, so they should be relatively healthy from where 309 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 5: they've been over the last two three weeks. 310 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 1: Okay, so let's start there in the secondary. What does 311 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: that look like then? Without Joseph, without Arnold. I know 312 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: the Lions love to play press man. They like to 313 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: be very aggressive up there. Has that changed at all 314 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 1: with two of their best guys in the secondary not playing. 315 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 5: Not at all? You know, they've had some guys really 316 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 5: step in and play well. There was a you know, 317 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 5: a kind of nickname going around a few weeks ago, 318 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 5: the Legion of Whom When you know, Detroit had all 319 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 5: four of their starters out against Tampa Bay and played 320 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 5: probably their best football of the entire year in that game, 321 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 5: at least in the secondary. So you know, mik Robertson 322 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 5: has has stepped in their slot, you know, corner, he's 323 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 5: stepped outside for Terrian. He's gonna continue to do that. 324 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 5: They got Rok Yassin out there too, who's played pretty well. 325 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 5: So they've weathered that storm of having dj Reid and 326 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 5: and Arran Arnold out their top two corners. But the 327 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 5: good news is it looks like the Lions are gonna 328 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 5: get dj Reid back. He hasn't played since Week four 329 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 5: in Cleveland when he heard a hamstring did an ir stint. 330 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 5: He's this is his second week back at practice and 331 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 5: the lines are pretty optimistic that he'll play, and then 332 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 5: Thomas Harper will probably step in for Kirby. Joseph he's 333 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 5: played the last four games for Kirby, has played pretty well. 334 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 5: So it's next man up mentality in Detroit. You know 335 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 5: how that goes. And and they've weathered that storm pretty 336 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 5: well and they're gonna continue to do so. And Calvin 337 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 5: Jeppard's done a great job. Look, he's gonna play press man. 338 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 5: They're gonna play base defense more than any other team 339 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 5: in the league. Play those three linebackers. They love that 340 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 5: look and how it helps them stop the run. And 341 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 5: you know, they can disguise some blitzes and disguise some 342 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 5: coverages with that. So they're going to continue to play 343 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 5: that way and just plug and play. 344 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: Yeah to two follow ups, I think you hit on 345 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:13,839 Speaker 1: two things that I didn't want to ask you about. 346 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 1: One is Calvin Sheppard, former Giant linebacker. Great dude, loved 347 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: them when he was here. Look, whatever you change a coordinator, 348 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: and you guys did it on offense. On defense, you 349 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: worry about what the IMPACT's going to be. It really 350 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: doesn't seem like your defense has missed a beat with 351 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 1: Sheppard stepping in there. If anything, I think they might 352 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: even be better. 353 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's the latter they're better. 354 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 5: You look at this Lions defense and look, you know, 355 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 5: so much of the conversation has about been about this 356 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 5: Lion's offense and how explosive it is and well deserved, 357 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 5: you know, with all the weapons they have on that 358 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 5: side of the football. But you look at Detroit's defense, 359 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 5: their top ten and scoring defense, top ten and overall defense, 360 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,839 Speaker 5: top ten against the run, top ten against the past, 361 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 5: top ten in the red zone, you know, top ten 362 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 5: and takeaways. So Calvin stepped in and done a really, 363 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 5: really nice job, and you know, I think he's one 364 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,199 Speaker 5: of these up and coming coordinators that is going to 365 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 5: get some interviews and he's going to get some attention 366 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 5: with what he's done with this Detroit Lions defense. They're 367 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 5: playing some of their best football that I've seen in 368 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 5: the fourteen years that I've been with the team. And 369 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 5: that's a credit to Shep and certainly guys that have 370 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 5: stepped in and filled roles. 371 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: And you brought up what are the unique aspects of 372 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: this Lion's defense, and that's the fact they play so 373 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: much base personnel. No one plays more base personnel with 374 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: a seven man front, three stand up linebackers in the 375 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: game than the Detroit Lions. How has that worked against 376 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: some of these high flying aerial attacks where a lot 377 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: of what offense are trying to do these days is 378 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: trying to get teams into base to take advantage of it. 379 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: How are these three linebackers surviving in past coverage playing 380 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: so much base. 381 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, versatility. You know, Derek Barnes is a guy that was, 382 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 5: you know, a defensive end at Purdue and you know 383 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 5: the Lions, you saw some versatility in his game, So 384 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 5: he can play on the ball, he can play off 385 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 5: Jack Campbell in the middle has done a really nice 386 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 5: job of improving his pass coverage. He wasn't asked to 387 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 5: do that at Iowa a lot, but a credit to him, 388 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 5: he's really kind of stepped up and and taken on 389 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 5: more of that role and it has really improved over 390 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 5: over the last three years. And then Alex Azeloni is 391 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 5: one of the most versatile linebackers in the game, probably 392 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 5: one of the best covered linebackers in the game. And 393 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 5: so the Lions love that base just because what teams 394 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 5: want to do, obviously in the past game is is 395 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 5: you know, get teams in base. But what they want 396 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 5: to do when they want to run the football, and 397 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 5: you guys know all about running the football, is they 398 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 5: want to get teams in the nickel so that you know, 399 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 5: you can have those advantages with that nickel cornback and 400 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 5: the five defensive backs. And so Detroit plays it the 401 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 5: other way. They say, look, we're going to stop your 402 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 5: run and we're going to make you pass against us. 403 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 5: We've got a lot of confidence in our secondary and 404 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 5: those guys, and we think we got linebackers that can 405 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 5: cover your tight ends, linebackers that can cover in the slot, 406 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 5: and your running backs. And so it's really love this 407 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 5: Detroit Lions team to be really good against the run, 408 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 5: and that's where it all starts with Calvin Shepard in 409 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 5: this defense, they think that if they can stop the run, 410 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 5: make teams have to throw on them. That's advantage Detroit 411 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 5: and it's been that way for most of the season. 412 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: All Right, let's talk about the pass rush. A lot 413 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: of times guys need a year plus to look like 414 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: themselves after an acl well I get apparently not for 415 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: aid to Hutchinson, who just has been unbelievable this year. 416 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: What does this pass rush look like? Do they blitz 417 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: a lot to supplement? Do they try to get home 418 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: with four? What's your give? Fans be keeping an eye 419 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: up in terms of that front four. 420 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a broken leg with Aiden, so it's 421 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 5: a little bit yeah, yeah, a little bit different with Aiden, 422 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 5: so you're not dealing with ligaments and stuff like that. 423 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 5: You know, he's got a rod in there, and he 424 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 5: says that the leg is stronger than it was, and 425 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 5: so he's got Superman leg in there is how is 426 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 5: how he describes it. But he's played like Superman certainly. 427 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 5: You know, he's right up there again with in the 428 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 5: conversation for defensive player in the year. You know, he's 429 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 5: a guy that you have to account for. You've got 430 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 5: a chip he sees double teams and chips among the 431 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 5: top five of defensive ends. And then they get mcneilback 432 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 5: and they think they've got some really good depth in 433 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 5: the middle, and so, you know, the worst pressure quarterback 434 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 5: can feel is right up the middle. You guys got 435 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 5: a great one in Dexter Lawrence that can do that too, 436 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 5: and then it allows those edge guys just more room 437 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 5: to operate more direct lines to the quarterback when he 438 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 5: can't step up. And so that's been the recipe for 439 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 5: success for this Detroit Lions run game. And look, Calvin 440 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 5: will be aggressive, they'll blitz. Jack Campbell has a career 441 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 5: high four sacks, so they'll they'll get after it. Alex 442 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 5: Angeloni is a great blitzer. And then you've got Brian 443 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 5: Branch who's really one of the most versatile safeties around. 444 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 3: You know, he can come in. 445 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 5: He's a great blitzer too, And like we talked about earlier, 446 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 5: when they're playing that bass, it's really hard for an 447 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 5: office to identify where that blitz is coming from because 448 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 5: you can play it both ways. And so that's why 449 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 5: they love that versatility at the linebacker spot. The versatility 450 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 5: they got some safety spots is they can bring that 451 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 5: blitz from a lot of different areas. It's hard to identify, 452 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 5: and so look, they'll bring it and New York's got 453 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 5: to be really good about identifying it pre snap and 454 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 5: getting it blocked up. 455 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 1: All right, let's jump over to the offensive side of 456 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: the ball. How have things look different since Dan Campbell 457 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: has taken over his play caller. 458 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 5: You know, they've gotten Jamo Jamison Williams involved a lot more. 459 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,719 Speaker 5: You know, that's kind of unlocked the big play of 460 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 5: this offense. But really, John, when you look at this offense, 461 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 5: it comes down to the offensive line. You know, they 462 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 5: lost Frank Ragnow and you know he wasn't just one 463 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 5: of the best centers in the league. 464 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 3: He was one of the best. 465 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,719 Speaker 5: Players in the league. And when you lose that centerpiece 466 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 5: to your offensive line, it's just gonna be a little 467 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 5: bit different. And here's the crazy stat with Detroit. In 468 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 5: theirs six wins, they've allowed just eight sacks and they've 469 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 5: rushed on average for about one hundred and sixty nine 470 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 5: yards on the ground. In their four losses, they've allowed 471 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 5: twelve sacks, and they've rushed for only seventy yards per 472 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 5: game on average. So it's a huge difference. If they 473 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 5: can protect Jared Goff and they can run the football, 474 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 5: this is as explosive of an offense that we've seen 475 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 5: in years, especially now with what Jamison Williams is doing. 476 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 5: He's not just that deep threat anymore that can take 477 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 5: the top off the defense. They're using him in the 478 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 5: short and intermediate those crossers. Yeah, I can you know, 479 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 5: maybe put on one hand the guys in this league 480 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 5: that are as fast as Jamison Williams, and they've done 481 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 5: a great job of getting him the football. I think 482 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 5: they're still trying to adjust to Sam Laporta being out. 483 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 5: You know, he's not gonna play in this game. He's 484 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 5: on ir This will be the second game he's missed, 485 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 5: and they missed him in Philadelphia. You know him and 486 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 5: him and Jared, you know, really have a comfort level. 487 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 5: He's been really key on third down and that's been 488 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 5: one of the big issues for this offense, one of 489 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 5: the big differences this year versus last Last year, they 490 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 5: were fourth in the league in third down conversions just 491 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 5: about fifty percent. This year they're at thirty six percent. 492 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 5: They're ranked twenty seventh in the NFL, and a lot 493 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 5: of those issues have been kind of up front when 494 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 5: they can't block it up right, and so it's a 495 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 5: little bit different offense. You still have all the explosive elements, 496 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 5: but they just haven't been as strong up front. And 497 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 5: this has been one of the best offensive lines in 498 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 5: football for so many years now, and they haven't played 499 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 5: to that level consistently. We've seen it in games, but 500 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 5: that's going to be the thing they try to really 501 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,479 Speaker 5: figure out going down the stretches that if they can 502 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 5: get more consistency from those guys up front. 503 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: You mentioned the loss of the Porta and the result 504 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: was that I didn't I think there was the highest 505 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: percentage of plays in eleven personnel the Lions had all year. 506 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: Last year they're up around eighty percent. They're usually a 507 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: heavy twelve personnel team. How did that affect what they do? 508 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: Was it Raymond? Was it Tesla? Was it love It? 509 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: How'd they kind of work in that third wide receiver 510 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 1: and how did that change kind of the character and 511 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: nature of the offense not going as heavy with those 512 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: two tight ends. 513 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it affects the run game certainly, because 514 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 5: that's one of the things Sam Laport has really done 515 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 5: a nice job with is improving his blocking. You know 516 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 5: those Iowa tight ends the pride and that, you know, 517 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 5: and he's one of them, and then he's really good 518 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 5: at it. And so you know last week they weren't 519 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 5: able to run the ball as effectively. They like to 520 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 5: do that out of the twelve personnel, like you talked about. 521 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 5: And so look when you put that extra receiver in there. 522 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 5: And now, look, Detroit's wide receivers are really good blockers 523 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 5: and they they have the want to and that's not 524 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 5: always the case, as you know in this league with 525 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 5: wide receiver position, and so Tesla and Isaac Isaac Tesla 526 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 5: and Khalif Raymond fit into that mix too. And look, 527 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 5: they're gonna have to get one of those guys to 528 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 5: step up. You know what you're gonna get with Jamison Williams. 529 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 5: You obviously know what you're gonna get with i'man Ross 530 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,199 Speaker 5: Saint Brown. I think last week was was kind of 531 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 5: a one off with that when they threw him twelve times, 532 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 5: he only caught two. I've never seen something like that, 533 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 5: and they weren't worried about it. In Allen Park this week. 534 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 5: But they they certainly know that they need an Isaac Tesla, 535 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,919 Speaker 5: a brock right that the second tight end, a Khalif Raymond. 536 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 5: They need somebody to step up and kind to fill 537 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 5: that third role because they last week they certainly missed 538 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 5: Sam Laporta. 539 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: Look, we don't know the lines want to run the ball, 540 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: but they're also one of the best play action teams 541 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: in the league. So are we going to see a 542 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 1: lot of play action on early downs. We're going to 543 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: see them giving the Giants struggles stopping the run this year. 544 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: A lot of straight ahead down there, let's try to 545 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: you know, get in the second and third or reasonable here, 546 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 1: and a lot of runs on early downs. 547 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:22,439 Speaker 5: Yeah, you're going to see a lot of run. You know, 548 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 5: that's what the Lions want to get back to doing that. 549 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 5: This week you mentioned the struggles the Giants have had. 550 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 5: I think it's about on average one hundred and fifty 551 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 5: a game. And look, when you allow the Lions to 552 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 5: run the football with David Montgomery and Jamier Gibbs arguably 553 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,199 Speaker 5: the best running back duel in the NFL, now that 554 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 5: opens up the play action. Now you get Jamo going 555 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 5: deep doing crossers. You've got that connection with aman Ross 556 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 5: Saint Brown. It really unlocks this entire Lions offense, but 557 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 5: it starts with running the football. That's what they want 558 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 5: to do. They want Jared Goff under center, they want 559 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 5: that threat of the run. They want to push those 560 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 5: linebackers up, and Jared Goff is one of the best 561 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 5: kind of intermediate in route throwers. He's one of the 562 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 5: more accurate quarterbacks. 563 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 3: In the league. 564 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 5: And if they can get those linebackers to step up 565 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 5: just a little bit, they love to work that middle 566 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 5: of the field. And then when you got the safeties 567 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 5: trying to stop that, that's when you take that shot 568 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,959 Speaker 5: to Jamo over the top, and that's when this Lion's 569 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 5: offense is really at its best. But they have to 570 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 5: establish that run first and foremost to kind of unlock 571 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 5: everything else. And that's certainly gonna be the game plan 572 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 5: going into Sunday. 573 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,479 Speaker 1: And you kind of answered this in final question on 574 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: my first question on the offense, But it seems to 575 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: me is Jared Goff has time, he's gonna play like 576 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: one of the best quarterbacks in the league. But when 577 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: you disturb him a little bit, you get his timing off, 578 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: you have him even start thinking about pressure. You know, 579 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 1: you saw that if on the second half against Philly 580 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 1: last week, where a lot of times they weren't even 581 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 1: getting pressure, but he thought they were gonna get pressure 582 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: and it kind of messed them up a little bit. 583 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: Is that really the only way you can slow down 584 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: this line's passing attack by making Gough uncomfortable in the pocket. 585 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, if you let GoF sit there, he'll he'll pick 586 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 5: you apart. You know, Look, this is his tenth There's 587 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 5: nothing a defense can do that's going to confuse Jared Golf. 588 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 5: There's not a coverage he hasn't seen. He's really good 589 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 5: pre snap but identifying you know what a defense is 590 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 5: trying to do. But you know, if you come after him, 591 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 5: if you pressure him, Look, Jared Golf's a pocket passer. 592 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 5: He's not like Jackson Dark. You know, He's not going 593 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 5: to get out of the pocket, extend plays, make plays 594 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 5: with his legs. That's not his game. He's very much 595 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 5: a timing and accuracy quarterback. And that's got to be 596 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 5: the goal for the Giants defenses is to disrupt that 597 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 5: a little bit, because if you don't, especially at home 598 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 5: on that fast track at Ford Field, when it's gonna 599 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 5: be quiet and he can operate everything pre snap. It's 600 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,120 Speaker 5: really hard to stop this Lion's offense. So for the Giants, 601 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 5: it's really got to be about collapsing that pocket, pressuring 602 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 5: Jared Goff, you know, messing with his timing. When that's 603 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 5: happened this year, that's when this Detroit Lions offense has 604 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 5: struggled a little bit. 605 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: Tim awesome stuff. My friend, tell the folks when you 606 00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,159 Speaker 1: find the way you're great work and everything you have 607 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: going on this weekend. 608 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, we got lots of stuff going on. The twenty 609 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 5: Uddle podcast is coming out. I've got one of your compatriots, 610 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 5: they're on the podcast this week. I got Toms Harper, 611 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 5: who we talked about, so we got that and then 612 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 5: we got all the pregame stuff on Sunday on Detroit 613 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 5: lines dot com. So it should be a fun matchup. Look, 614 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 5: I know the Giants are two and nine, but the 615 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 5: Detroit doesn't view them as representative of that record. They 616 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 5: know they've been in a lot of close games, They've 617 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 5: lost a lot of close games and leads against good teams. 618 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 3: In the fourth quarter. 619 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 5: So the Detroit Lions are expecting a good game Sunday, 620 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 5: and hopefully we get one. 621 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 1: Tim good stuff, my friend. I'll talk to you on Sunday. 622 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 3: All right, man, anytime, John. 623 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 2: If you want to know how to manage two minutes 624 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 2: of crunch time football, I'm your match. 625 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 4: But if you're wondering about a long term financial plan, 626 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 4: you should talk to Citizens. 627 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 2: Hey, I can also talk long care. 628 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,479 Speaker 4: I'd like to learn about a million routine. 629 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,479 Speaker 1: Yes, I knew I could help make sense of your 630 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: money with Citizens. Awesome stuff from Tim, really good insight. 631 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 1: Should be a fun game against a very talent Detroit 632 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: Lions team on Sunday in Detroit. All right, Now we 633 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 1: head over to Mike Kafka. He will be a coaching 634 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 1: his second game for the New York Football Giants as 635 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: their head coach. Bob Papa talk to him. 636 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,199 Speaker 7: As always, We're joined by the head coach of the 637 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 7: New York Giants, Mike Kafka, and coach, you're going into 638 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,919 Speaker 7: this game against the Lions. They're six and four on 639 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,439 Speaker 7: the season. Let's talk a little bit about some of 640 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 7: the challenges of playing on the road in what will 641 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 7: be a hostile environment. They're three and one playing in 642 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 7: their buildings so far this year and they have this 643 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 7: fast break offense. What has been the messaging to your 644 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 7: team this week about this road game and having to 645 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 7: play one of the better teams in the NFC. 646 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's gonna be a great challenge and one that 647 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 6: we're looking forward to. You know, the emphasis has been 648 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 6: this week, you know, just making sure we're on the 649 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 6: same page in terms of communication, making sure we're getting 650 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 6: lined up, understanding where these players are. They have some 651 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 6: explosive players, just like you mentioned. You know, Jamison Williams 652 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 6: obviously the running back fourteen, He's all over the field 653 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 6: with Saint Brown. So it's a really really talented group. 654 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 6: So we got to be on the same page and 655 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 6: communicating it. Has been doing a great job this week. 656 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 7: Coach Gibbs obviously is super explosive. He's got eight rushing 657 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 7: touchdowns this year. The combination with he and Montgomery just 658 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 7: talk about the ways that they try to get to 659 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 7: the run game, because sometimes it's not just traditionally handing 660 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 7: it off. They'll use a lot of motion and stuff, 661 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 7: won't They to kind of just get the defense for 662 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 7: a false step and then they just want to hit 663 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 7: you them with kind of a basic run. 664 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 6: Absolutely, they use motions, shifts. They do a good job of, 665 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 6: you know, influencing the front and moving them and getting 666 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 6: them off their mark. And then they have some explosive 667 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 6: players that can get on the perimeter. So they have 668 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 6: a wide variety of run schemes. They have a wide 669 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 6: variety of I wouldn't call them gadgets, but they have 670 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 6: ability to kind of attack different parts of the field. 671 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 6: So you know, you've got to account for that, and 672 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 6: you've got to make sure that we're we're all disciplined 673 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 6: and see it through the same set of eyes. 674 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 7: Coach, some of those outside runs this year have hurt 675 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 7: the team. You know, what's been the point of emphasis 676 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 7: to try to make sure that things get funneled to 677 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 7: where they need to be, where guys have help. 678 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 6: It's understanding your leverage, playing your leverage, and then making 679 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 6: sure you're you're again that communication part is so key 680 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 6: because when teams start shifting and motioning, now all of 681 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 6: a sudden, there's different people that are in these run fits, 682 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 6: so it may be emotion and now all of a sudden, 683 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 6: you know, the nickels in the run fit or the 684 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 6: safety has to roll down to the run fit, and 685 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 6: so really just again the communication. Being on the same page. 686 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 6: That's super important. And that's one thing our coach have 687 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 6: been doing a great job this week of is just 688 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 6: communicating that, making sure we're on the same page, having 689 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 6: the right calls so that we can't have other people 690 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 6: and multiple people in on the play. 691 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,719 Speaker 7: Jared Gosspin in the league a long time. You've been 692 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 7: in the league a long time. What are some of 693 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 7: the things that as you watch him as he's matured 694 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 7: now in his tenth year, that really make him difficult 695 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 7: for defenses to deal with? 696 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 6: I think, I mean, I remember, you know, playing him 697 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 6: when he was in in Los Angeles with the Rams 698 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 6: when they were doing the no huddle stuff, and just 699 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 6: watching him operate. Washington play on time, Washington play on rhythm. Obviously, 700 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 6: he does a great job with the ball handling aspect 701 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 6: of it. You can see him getting in and out 702 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 6: of alerts, making protection calls at the line of scrimmage. 703 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 6: So he's a well rounded quarterback, does it all, and 704 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 6: and I think he's gonna he he knows where where 705 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 6: to get the ball that is playmaker's hands, and he 706 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 6: knows how to get to him quickly and accurately. 707 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 7: All right, let's go to the other side of the 708 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 7: ball where uh yeah, you gotta deal with Aiden Hutchinson 709 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 7: who's having a fantastic year seven and a half sacks, 710 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 7: the kid from New Jersey, don Bosco Muhammad, He's got 711 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 7: six sacks this season. And then you know between the 712 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 7: linebacking corps and then what they have on the back end. 713 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 7: This is a defense that's I mean, it's ranked fifth 714 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 7: in the league for a reason. When you look at them, 715 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 7: what are some of the things as you get ready 716 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 7: to play them in this game today that everybody has 717 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 7: to be on high alert for. 718 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:08,959 Speaker 6: These guys just play with their hair on fire. And 719 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 6: you know it starts. It starts with their their defensive coordinator, 720 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 6: Calvin Shepard. These guys are well coached. You know, they 721 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 6: have some multiple schemes in terms of their fronts, in 722 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 6: terms of their coverages. You know they're going to put 723 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 6: you in a bind that way on an offense, and 724 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 6: so you've got to have you know, your your second 725 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 6: and third elements of your scheme righty to roll, and 726 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 6: so really being prepared for our guys and making sure 727 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 6: that we're all on the same page. We're making sure 728 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 6: that we have our guys in the right spots and 729 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 6: you know, giving our guys a chance to make some 730 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 6: plays downfield, get some you know, catching runs underneath, and 731 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 6: then getting our run game going, and you know, being 732 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 6: efficient with the run game. 733 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 7: Coach, we saw it in Chicago, and we saw it 734 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 7: again a little bit last week in the game against 735 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 7: the Packers, where you know, the run game seems a 736 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 7: little bit stagnant and then all of a sudden, it 737 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 7: feels like you guys start to get in a rhythm. 738 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,719 Speaker 7: Is some of it probing and is some of it 739 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 7: just we got to get a little faster start with it. 740 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 6: I just think that's the National Football League. You know, 741 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 6: you're not You don't just roll out of bed and 742 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 6: just go start getting six and sevens in the run game. 743 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 6: I think you got to stick with it and let 744 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 6: our guys get into the groove and then you you know, 745 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 6: you you adjust along the way, like sometimes you prepare 746 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 6: for a certain front or for a certain look and 747 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 6: you don't get it, or they they have their adjustments right, 748 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 6: because these these coaches they do a good job on 749 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 6: the other side of the ball too, and they're self scouting. 750 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 6: So I think it's just the adjustment part of it. 751 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 6: And making sure our guys are fitting it the right 752 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 6: way and communication it. But yeah, I mean, I think 753 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 6: that's just the National Football League. You know, you start off. 754 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 6: If you start off hot, good, you can stay with 755 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 6: it and continue to mix in your other runs. But 756 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 6: sometimes if it doesn't, if it doesn't start great early 757 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 6: in terms of the run game, you're sticking with it 758 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 6: and you're making sure you know it's eventually it'll it'll 759 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 6: come together for you, and you know you keep you 760 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 6: keep checking away at it. 761 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 2: Coach. 762 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 7: Last week, James Winston got the start at home. Now 763 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 7: he starts on the road. Obviously, the guy has started 764 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 7: a lot of games in the National Football How important 765 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 7: is it to have that sort of veteran experience where 766 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 7: you're going to be dealing with a pretty revd up 767 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 7: crowd in a hostile environment. 768 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, James, James has certainly played in environments like this 769 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 6: in the past, and you know his conference confidence and 770 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 6: leadership that he brings to the huddle, to the room 771 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 6: is miss huge, is important, especially when you're going into 772 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 6: an environment like this. So you know, we'll bank on 773 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 6: his experience and his ability to continue to lead the 774 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 6: team and be aggressive downfield. I think Jamis do a 775 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 6: great job for us. 776 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 7: Final question. We all know about Dan Campbell and his 777 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 7: ability or willingness to roll the dice. You were aggressive 778 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 7: last week in your own right. How do you manage 779 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 7: that as a as a head coach? I mean, you 780 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 7: did it last week and your first game as a 781 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 7: head coach. Understanding when and where right? I mean, do 782 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 7: you do you have to take in sort of the 783 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 7: profile of the game, like, hey, this is kind of 784 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 7: a slug fest. Maybe a punt's not the worst thing, 785 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 7: or if it's up and down, it's like, hey, we 786 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 7: got a score, so we're going for it all the time. 787 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I think there's an element of understanding 788 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 6: the flow of the game, Understand where your players are at, 789 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 6: Understand what's going on across the field. And then there's 790 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 6: there's advantages that you can that you can use in 791 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 6: terms of win percentage with with within our analytics department, 792 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 6: our guys upstairs, you know, having having an aggressive mindset 793 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 6: on fourth down, or an opportunity for us to take 794 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 6: advantage of the game and take control of the game. 795 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 6: So all those things kind of come into play. We 796 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 6: talk about it throughout the week, we study it, we 797 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 6: prep for it, and then on game day it's just 798 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 6: really about pull the trigger and and making sure we 799 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 6: feel really confident about it and being convicted about the 800 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 6: decision we make. 801 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 7: Coach, we appreciate a couple of minutes. We'll do it 802 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 7: again next week. Best of luck today against the Lions 803 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 7: in Detroit. 804 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 2: Awesome. 805 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:46,239 Speaker 3: Thank you. 806 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: We thank Bob Papa, We thank Mike Kafka, we think 807 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: thanked him twenty minute. 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