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Speaker 3: who will be speaking exclusively with Nvidio CEO Jenson Wong.

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Speaker 3: time right here on Bloomberg TV and Radio. Hey, Ed,

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Speaker 3: investors seem to be pretty happy. It's up about two

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Speaker 3: percent here. What's your immediate takeaway from these results?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, in the fiscal third quarter that they just reported,

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Speaker 4: you know, it's a beat and a good one, and

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Speaker 4: this was a high bar going into it. And in

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Speaker 4: the outlook for the fourth quarter, you know, it's a

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Speaker 4: it's a good three billion dollars above consensus sixty five

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Speaker 4: always the case. There were some very bullish forecasts on

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Speaker 4: the street. I think some analysts were saying that in

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Speaker 4: Vidio could even surprise us with a seventy five billion

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Speaker 4: is the numbers that they've just posted, how do they

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Speaker 4: see five hundred billion dollars of demand. But in video

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Speaker 2: Okay, So Jentsen, if you're watching just a little preview

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Speaker 2: Ed Ludlow at six thirty Wall Street time Bloomberg Television

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Speaker 2: and Radio for that exclusive conversation in video shares off

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Speaker 2: about as of today's close, roughly ten percent from those

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Speaker 2: Where I know you spoke with Jensen and Justin Hotard

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, in Nvidia is down sharp piece since

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Speaker 4: because historically what Jensen Wang's argument has been is when

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Speaker 3: So, you know, one of the things we were talking

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Speaker 3: But you talked about China remaining effectively online.

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Speaker 5: How much of it that is a problem? And I

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Speaker 4: So you know, China is potentially the biggest end market

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Speaker 4: it's kind of all stripped out. But as Jensen Wong

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Speaker 3: As you are going through the press release, anything that's

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Speaker 6: I came the same conclusion, there's nothing. There's no mention

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Speaker 6: Jensen is probably the most persuasive, charismatic CEO in semiconductors

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the circular financing question is one that

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Speaker 6: Well, I think there is this dynamic taking place where

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, so Ed, I want you to kind of

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Speaker 1: that bubble burst and they had to shut down. But hey,

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Speaker 1: we still use the internet via the net is still a.

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Speaker 5: Thing, so so I think.

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Speaker 1: No, I think I think we might. We're not necessary Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: we're not necessarily talking about, you know, a bubble burst.

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Speaker 1: And that means that AI wasn't the thing, and we

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Speaker 1: shouldn't have we shouldn't have thought that it was going

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Speaker 1: to be so big. It could be that, you know,

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Speaker 1: there there is still potential for a large financial correction

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Speaker 1: down the road, but AI remains a force that changes

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Speaker 1: how we do business and how we live our lives.

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Speaker 1: So I think to put it in that stock of

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Speaker 1: a either or is missing the larger trend.

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Speaker 5: This is why we come to you.

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Speaker 3: Because it's really yeah, and it's very balanced and thoughtful.

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Speaker 5: Sarah, thanks so much.

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Speaker 3: I really appreciate Bloomberg News Big Tech team leader Sarah Fryer.

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Speaker 3: She's also the author of No Filter, The Inside Store

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Speaker 3: of Instagram, and she is, of course there from our

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Speaker 3: Bloomberg San Francisco bureau