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Speaker 1: place ship. It is a real thing. But God kept us.

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Speaker 1: You know, our faith, our history, our love, and our

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to d O G. S. A Playmaker originally

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Speaker 2: presented by Draft Kings. We have a very special guest

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Speaker 2: here today. Florida legend. Were a little light right now.

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Speaker 2: We ain't gonna mike here because we have some stories

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Speaker 2: to tell about South, but a Florida legend, a personal

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Speaker 2: childhood friend of mine. So this is the person that

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Speaker 2: showed me keon dueling in the house. Man, my brother,

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Speaker 2: my brother, Man, appreciate your coming through. Man, Yes, sir,

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Speaker 2: first and foremost man, we'll give you your flowers.

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Speaker 3: Thank you giving you your flowers.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 2: You know obviously, uh you know, we understand the history

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Speaker 2: of everything you go through. But it's not the measure

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Speaker 2: of a man is when they down. It's how they

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Speaker 2: get up, get on their feet, how they recover. So

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Speaker 2: giving you your flowers, my brother.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. You look, we go way back to

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Speaker 1: the Florida flash days. Yes, you know, back when you

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Speaker 1: was at Jacksonville Wilson.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, so you know we we.

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Speaker 1: I know you're now, Yes, I know you're not. We

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Speaker 1: go way back, man, But hey, man, to see what

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Speaker 1: you have not only done, the impact that you had

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Speaker 1: and what you're doing now in your transition, Man, it's motivation,

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Speaker 1: it's inspiration, and I'm just so proud of your whome team.

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Speaker 2: Well you you gotta, I gotta give you some credit

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Speaker 2: because you and you should introduce me to somebody who's

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Speaker 2: been very instrumental and very important to my success and

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Speaker 1: And that's that's right, Big Slo, Big Sly can intro,

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Speaker 1: that's right.

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Speaker 2: I remember that when I was a young pup came

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: You have been in the league a while, and I

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Speaker 2: asked some questions. So one thing I was always able

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Speaker 2: to do, I was able to be vulnerable ask questions.

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Speaker 2: You have and I asked some questions and you point

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Speaker 1: Well, look, man, if you want to go quit, you

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Speaker 1: go alone. If we want to go far, we got

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Speaker 1: to all go together. And I think it's it's a

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Speaker 1: forward sometimes, you know what I mean, You got to

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Speaker 1: reach back and be able to receive. You know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, help, information, connections, guidance, love, respect, accountability, all

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Speaker 1: being said. Bro, it's all love. I love you to

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Speaker 1: the core. You my brother forever. Whether we talk every

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Speaker 1: what I mean, That love doesn't change because we just

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's real, that's real, So talk about it. I

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Speaker 2: we talked about the players we had on that team, myself,

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Speaker 1: But br br right Teddy, we had Admron Anthony Basketball.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember that night that all us we was

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Speaker 2: So after that, Missouri, yes, sir, what was what what

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Speaker 1: Well, Missouri, it was a couple of different things. It

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Speaker 3: We were a great backcourt.

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Speaker 1: Even though we couldn't beat Miami High, we couldn't do

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Speaker 3: Florida could afford you.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so either at that time.

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Speaker 3: I because I ain't got ship. They ain't gave me nothing.

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Speaker 1: Well you still got you know you can, you got

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Speaker 2: I had the best four years of my life there.

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Speaker 2: you gave me nothing.

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Speaker 2: that's right. I gave you four fucking years, that's right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I ain't giving your ship back now. I ain't

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 2: Because I know you. I watched you, I watched you

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Speaker 1: Early in the game. I would do two things I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, you would think that it was

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Speaker 1: You know. I used to go to sleep on you know,

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Speaker 2: You know, so many times oftentimes you have adults that

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Speaker 2: It was no confusion at all. So now I see

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Speaker 1: And things like that, right, and so on top of

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Speaker 3: I know you. Now you sound like you're still salty

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, you want the full experience, you know. I

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Speaker 1: But I got to share that moment with my family,

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Speaker 3: I know you did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we turned up that I know you.

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439
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Speaker 1: was looked at as the bread winner in the family.

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Speaker 1: And it's a lot of responsibility when you're seventeen years old, man,

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443
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Speaker 1: else in the family, because everybody held it down as

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Speaker 1: best as they could. But it was a unique situation.

445
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Speaker 1: I had a unique talent. But yeah, we had a

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, talk about that Earl Boykins, Cortmugatti,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like it was a vibe.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a vibe man, the Clippers. Man. It

455
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Speaker 1: was a lot of fun being in la It's a

456
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457
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Speaker 1: we were all doing things for the first time together.

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Speaker 1: lot of hanging out. We vibe right, but the infrastructure

461
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Speaker 1: was not there for us to develop as players.

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Speaker 2: You couldn't got you got Chicago, you got East Saint Louis,

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Speaker 1: And we brought it, brought, We brought all them elements.

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Speaker 1: We brought all them elements to l a bro We

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: We had a good time. Out there. We really did,

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472
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473
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Speaker 1: was still a lot of internal competition. But man, you're

474
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's the right mind. I mean, internal competition

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Speaker 2: You know, as much as you know we talked ship

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485
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Speaker 2: Ain't nobody fit the fuck with me.

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Speaker 3: But we believe in that iron shopping iron shit. Yeah,

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00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: It was tough, but like what we had with the

657
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: heat Man is something that served me, you know, my

658
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: entire career. You know, like the work ethic that they

659
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: indoctrinate you with, the infrastructure, you know what I mean,

660
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: just the customs and the rituals and the routines that

661
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: you learn in Miami. It's if you can play in Miami,

662
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: you can play anyway. At the end of the day,

663
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: like you will push your body to the to the

664
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: maximum and learn how to like be comfortable at that space.

665
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: And that's that's a testament to you know, just the

666
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: heat culture.

667
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 2: I mean, you said you said something earlier about Spoe

668
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 2: and you talked about you know, Spoe Quinn even through

669
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 2: standing there, of how they slow the game down for you.

670
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

671
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 2: And it's not about going a thousand miles an hour,

672
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 2: but it's about seeing it slow in your line and

673
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 2: visualizing it slow but actually moving fast. Yeah, but just

674
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 2: talk about how they helped you with that, because you

675
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 2: would think that. You know a lot of these coaches

676
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 2: when people get to the league that the player development

677
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 2: part they throw out the window. They just wanted to

678
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 2: drop the ex's and those get it done. But talk

679
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 2: about the player development part that you continue to develop

680
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 2: even though you got the NBA. Yeah, and with these

681
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 2: coaches and through this process. Because a lot of people

682
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 2: see the Eric sposture now, but they don't know the

683
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 2: pedigree where he came from and that he was putting

684
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 2: in before he got to this point.

685
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, man, listen the way that Spoe would break

686
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: the game down. He would break it down in different phases.

687
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: So if it was picking rolls, he would tell you

688
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: what you should be looking for, where to attack, where

689
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: you should be going fast, and then he would show

690
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: it to you in film, right, and then he would

691
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: do drills and train you to be able to make

692
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: the reads. And so it wasn't just like a one

693
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: part of it. It was like a holistic experience. And then

694
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: you had coach Keith ask you, and Keith asking and

695
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: Bimbo Boy talking nothing but down to you. Pick up

696
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: like pick up full court like like like first thing

697
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: he said to me, man, I heard you soffer than

698
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: ship Okay.

699
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 6: Like damn coach, Like what you know, I'm just telling

700
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 6: you what I heard, but I you know, we got

701
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 6: to see so like they just like would push you,

702
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 6: like to pick up full court every time, to push

703
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 6: the ball every time.

704
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: They wouldn't let you make mistakes. They would let you

705
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: make mistakes, but they would coach you through those.

706
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 3: Just gonna turn a blind eye that like that ain't happening.

707
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 3: You're accountable.

708
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: And then and then Bill to get you in the

709
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: weight room, are on the track at the University of

710
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: Miami and test you know your will to see if

711
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: like you in the right field, are you really built

712
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: for that?

713
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 2: He come out smiling, take that there, whistle and choke

714
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 2: his ass.

715
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: Like man like Bill. But man, you know when you

716
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: get out there and you come from a culture like

717
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: the Clippers, and then you go to the heat, it's like, whoa,

718
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: what have we been doing? So to see Rasue Lord

719
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: rest his soul on the track, man, see you out

720
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: on the track, See d Wade out on the track,

721
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: See little young Thundercat the real right. And then og

722
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: Eddie Jones out there on the track in the summertime

723
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: at seven am with the humidity and the temperature, It's

724
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: like whoa, Okay, but man, it meant so much. And man,

725
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: I just at that time in Miami. I know it

726
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: was short for me, it was one season, but I

727
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: literally took those principles everywhere will everywhere I went, and

728
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: I brought a different level of professionalism, work, ethic, grit,

729
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: grind and accountability because of my time with the heat man.

730
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 2: When we talk about Eddie man, and I don't think

731
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 2: people understand the impact that Eddie had on us in

732
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 2: South Florida. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, being able

733
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 2: to watch somebody make it and then being able to

734
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 2: have the opportunity to share the locker room. Yeah, and

735
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 2: continue to be close to Eddie.

736
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

737
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 2: But I mean obviously you know Eddie a little bit

738
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 2: better than me and before obviously, So just talk about

739
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: Eddie man, because I don't think people get Eddie's flowers.

740
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 3: I don't think Eddie get his man. I don't think

741
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 3: Eddie Jones get his flowers.

742
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 2: Man.

743
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: It's not like probably outside of my pops, man, it's

744
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: really not too many men who had an impact on

745
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: me like Eddie Jones's. He showed me how to tie

746
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: my tie. He showed me how to order my steak.

747
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: He showed me how to deal with the media. He

748
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: showed me how to deal when you're at a team event.

749
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: He showed you how to navigate that. He showed me

750
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: how to travel with my family. He showed me how

751
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: we can go out to fights and go see Floyd

752
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: Mayweather and have a good time and get the whole experience.

753
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: He showed me how to put meat on the grill

754
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: as far as far as cooking for your family and

755
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: being present with your family. So Eddie Jones to me

756
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: is one of my goals. He's one of my favorite

757
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: people of all time. I love him, I respect him,

758
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: I appreciate him. And uh man, he put he put

759
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: he put on for us. I used to go see

760
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: Eddie play when he was in high school at Elie

761
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: High School. Man, I got to see you know, we

762
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: called them iceman because he would take off from the

763
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: free throw line. He a butter roll or he'll turn

764
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: it over and dunke it. He would shoot threes. But Eddie,

765
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: Eddie really trailblaze man. And he said a good tone

766
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: for us. And you know, I remember like getting close

767
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: to Eddie was like Eddie was like all right, young fella,

768
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: show up at show up to the gym at like

769
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,439
Speaker 1: eight o'clock, like big homie, we don't practice till till noon.

770
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, I see you at I see

771
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: you at eight.

772
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 3: Yeah.

773
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 1: So because I showed up, he showed me all those

774
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: other things that had I not shown up, I probably

775
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: still wouldn't know how to tie my tie or still

776
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: be ordering a well done steak or you know, all

777
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 1: those little things. So ed it was a man of respect,

778
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: is a man of respect, and he's definitely undervalued and

779
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: underappreciated for what he's done to the game.

780
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 3: He no nonsense either.

781
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 2: Oh listen, he gonna tell you but one time, Oh

782
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 2: he'll cut you all quick.

783
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 3: He cut you all quick.

784
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: HEJ got time, bro, he got he got, he got time.

785
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 1: He's the you know, if you don't know him, he

786
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: could possibly be like the ultimate asshole to you.

787
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 3: Man.

788
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 2: Listen, I tell you we got we got bonus checks

789
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 2: one day, one year, we got bonus checks. It was

790
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 2: about twenty thousand, and I took care of e J.

791
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 2: I got his coffee all year, I got I did

792
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 2: everything he J said. So when we got the bonus check,

793
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 2: he J signed a bonus check over to me. So

794
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 2: that year we had two rookies. We had me who

795
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 2: was undrafted, and we and we drafted another young kid

796
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 2: in the second round, drafted Gero Bes. The shout out Bees,

797
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 2: that was my dog. We both had a break. He

798
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 2: was kicking it. So we walk in the locker room

799
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 2: edit outside this check over to me. B say, damn, Eddie,

800
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 2: you sign your check over there here. You ain't gonna

801
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 2: give me nothing. Eddie looked at Bes and say, man,

802
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 2: you know with yousparent up that. I said, man, you know,

803
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 2: with you like that?

804
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: But he ain't care who he was like. He was

805
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 1: an equal opportunist, ship talker, you know, and standing on

806
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: business like he was gonna stand on business at all times,

807
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 1: at all calls. So big shout out to Edite Joe

808
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: Man big, we love you bro, We love yo.

809
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 2: G I was it with Pat Man? Did you haven't

810
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 2: you haven't any experiences with Pack? Because I take my

811
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 2: first two years and people know this, I didn't speak

812
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 2: to Pat my first thing. I ain't never been afraid

813
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 2: of the intimidated by no man. But I ain't even

814
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 2: know how to deal with Pat my first two years past,

815
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 2: that dog fathership was real he's gonna carry itself.

816
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 3: He got that aura he does. I ain't.

817
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 2: That's differently. We've been around a bunch of street motherfuckers.

818
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 2: We ain't never really been around.

819
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 3: No mobs like that ship really carried. Yeah, that shit carried.

820
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:15,919
Speaker 1: Wait it does, man. Pat was tough.

821
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 3: Man.

822
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,959
Speaker 1: Pat was all that in the bag of chips. Two things.

823
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: I got called up to the office when I wasn't playing.

824
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: Pat you know kind of you know, put down on

825
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: me a little bit. But he also gave me. He

826
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: built me up as well. He gave me a book

827
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: John Maxwell, a book on leaderships, and so, like, you know,

828
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 1: it wasn't that he was just you know, coming down

829
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,439
Speaker 1: with the iron fist. It was that he was gonna

830
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 1: give me the tools to be able to be successful

831
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: as well. So I always appreciate that. And then he

832
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: sat us all down and you remember when he was like, chack,

833
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: I ain't no chicken shit. It's like, is this nigga?

834
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: Is he the job?

835
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 3: Was like, what the fuck is going on right now?

836
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 3: No chicken shit?

837
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: Mother like man. But Pat staying on business at all times. Man.

838
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: And he's so cerebral, he's so smart. He can he

839
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: can just pick up and sense things and so yeah, man,

840
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: just being around Pat. You know, some people you learn

841
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: from directly, some people you learn from just by observing them.

842
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: That's one of those guys.

843
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,240
Speaker 3: And Shack Man, Shack.

844
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: Big fellow. I told the story when Shaq called me

845
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: the thousand there, and you were like, hey man, big fellow.

846
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 2: Man, he we ain't made no money like that, like

847
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 2: that ship. I was like that, damn big dog, I

848
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 2: remember that. Why did he call you a thousand? He

849
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 2: was like a thousand man?

850
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:31,879
Speaker 1: You know what Shot came?

851
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 3: That was about? Man.

852
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 1: You know, Shaq used to have on some bullshit sometimes,

853
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: so he had on a big, big gass outfit, some

854
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 1: Donald planers and ship like that. So I'm looking, you know,

855
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: because you know, you know how it used to be

856
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: u D. I'm living that ship, mn, big fellow you

857
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: coming in there? Did he look in the mirror for.

858
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 3: You addressing the dog?

859
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: So you know, I had something to say, and Shot

860
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 1: just didn't want to hear that ship. I can't take

861
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: this ship no more. Sick of this ship. Shut the

862
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: fuck up, you fucking thousand there. You know what I

863
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 1: was like, You know what, big fella, you got it.

864
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 1: I ain't like you you know.

865
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 3: What you got that he got that.

866
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 2: It took a little while for me to understand what

867
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 2: he was calling us. Yeah, I said, Okay, this motherfucker.

868
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 2: We don't make millionships, we in the thousands.

869
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: I was on the minimum that.

870
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I ain't like that shit. I ain't been feeling.

871
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 3: I don't like that ship. Ain't made no money yet.

872
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 3: Don't do us like.

873
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, but but but you know what, you know, that's

874
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: one part of the story. Like I don't want it

875
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: to be like it was negative with because like every

876
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: day was a breath of fresh air. Playing with him.

877
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,959
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, you got more exposure. Shaq

878
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: was mean and tough, and he wanted to win. And

879
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: so I just remember, like, you know, having Team Dinners

880
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,240
Speaker 1: before the playoffs, Shaq bringing out his rings and letting

881
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 1: all us, you know, see his rings. Jamie Fox had

882
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: came in and all these different things. You know, Shat

883
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 1: would throw a party in every city. You know, Shaq

884
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: would take his glasses off sometimes and take theseches like

885
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: he you know, he would invite us over to his

886
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: crib and things like that. Man, So Shaq man, playing

887
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,439
Speaker 1: with him made life better, It made life bigger. And

888
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: you know, like sometimes you know we're gonna go back

889
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: and forth, and you know, sometimes you know you're gonna

890
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: have to get your pride wounded. Yeah, he got me

891
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:13,439
Speaker 1: that day.

892
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 2: He was like, hey, listen, people would have been instead

893
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 2: as great as a player as he was. And we

894
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 2: always talk about his greatness as a basketball player. I

895
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 2: don't know if we talk about Shack's leadership as much.

896
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And I think people don't really give him

897
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 2: credit for being a leader because they think that he

898
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 2: didn't work hard or whatever. He was so naturally gifted,

899
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 2: but Shaq that the confidence that Shaq would infuse in

900
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 2: his teammates in his locker room. You know what I'm saying,

901
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 2: a young undrafted kid like myself.

902
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: Knock his eyeballs out.

903
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 3: Shoot it.

904
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 2: If you pass up a shot, here on your ass

905
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 2: like Huggies, shoot it.

906
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 3: Every time.

907
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 2: D Way he gave d Way the name Flash, the

908
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 2: confidence to step into that role, to be Flash. I

909
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 2: saw d Way talk about that the other day, Like

910
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 2: he told me he called me Flash. So every time

911
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 2: I stepped on the court, I had to play that role.

912
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: I had to go into character to be in Flash Shacked.

913
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,439
Speaker 2: So people don't understand what Shaq, if the big fellow

914
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 2: give you the pas, I believe in you.

915
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't know how that shit could take you.

916
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 1: It meant a lot. Man, And Shaq loved his teammates. Yes,

917
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: he cared for us. He was concerned about us. You know,

918
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: he knew about us, Like he wasn't an elitist. Yes,

919
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: as far as the way that he interact with his teammates,

920
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: like we went to his house, he's gonna show you

921
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 1: that shit. He's gonna inspire you. You know, he'll come through,

922
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: he'll pull up on you. So you know, big shout

923
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: out the big fella man, big fella, Our lives are

924
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: better because you were in it. That's for sure.

925
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 3: You had the opportunity to play with another big fellow.

926
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 2: Man.

927
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 3: You go to the magic Yeah, young d White.

928
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't talk about that because that ship that

929
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 2: was intimidate Yeah by that ship was intimidating early and

930
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 2: that ship, well you know you got you.

931
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 3: Know, you gotta be ready.

932
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, dunkey, twenty five rebounds, don't break the goddamn rim.

933
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying. D White wanted it. Man,

934
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: he was he was man. D White was so talented

935
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: and so athletic. I don't think people know how like

936
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 1: fast and athletic and how much agility that D White had.

937
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: I don't think people understood the kind of skill set

938
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: that he had and the mobility that he that he

939
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: really had. But he was young, he was he was

940
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 1: definitely young, talented, he was hungry, he wanted it. Very

941
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: very very funny, big personality, you know what I mean,

942
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: Like super charismatic, you know what I mean, and full

943
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: of foolishness all at the same time. So D White

944
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: was a lot of fun to play with, and him

945
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: and Jamir with just oh many were they were so

946
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: much fun. Man, my days. I enjoyed all my NBA experiences,

947
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: but I man, that time in Orlando was pretty special.

948
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 2: Man.

949
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: It was some really good people there. And then we

950
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,720
Speaker 1: got staying Van to come over and he like you know, tape,

951
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: shoot arounds, knee pads, all that. But like we developed

952
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: under him, and so that was one of the places

953
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: that when I didn't re sign there, man, it really

954
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: did hurt me, you know what I mean, because I

955
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: just couldn't understand like them like like like I want

956
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,439
Speaker 1: to be here, you know. So, but it's a part

957
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: of the game. It's a part of the business. But yeah,

958
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: a big shout out to the white man because Thunder

959
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: is doing his thing and always has done this.

960
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 2: Thame, and you had the chance to play with Shaq

961
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 2: and the white Shaq Dwhite think they and big so

962
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 2: think they Shack and the White gonna clean it up.

963
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 3: Man, They're gonna be all right.

964
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I mean I think

965
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: they should be at some point. I don't think they

966
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: need to run the fade. I don't think they I

967
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: just think they they're similar. So sometimes when you have

968
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: similar energy, you know what I mean, It's not it's

969
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:26,959
Speaker 1: not that game.

970
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 3: Don't both dominant guys. They're both big personality.

971
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think you know, it's a sense too

972
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: though that like you know, Shaq is the o g Yes,

973
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And at the end of

974
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: the day, you know what I mean, like you have

975
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: to humble yourselves if you want to get certain access

976
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: and certain respect from the people who paved the way,

977
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: the way that he paid homage to, you know, Wilt

978
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 1: Chamberlain and people like that. He paid homage to those guys.

979
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: You know. So I just think that like maybe the

980
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 1: white gotta try new tactic with Shaq and you know,

981
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: just come off a little bit more humble, because I

982
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: still think there's an opportunity, you know, for them to

983
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: you know, like we're losing the American big man. It's

984
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: like the last of the dam Breede. So imagine you know,

985
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 1: them getting getting together and working with you know, American

986
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: centers and things like that. I just think it's an

987
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: opportunity for them to reconcile and figure that shit out.

988
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 2: I'm happy you brought that up because I was on

989
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 2: First Take the other day and this conversation came up.

990
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 2: Do you think a European player can ever be the

991
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:24,959
Speaker 2: face of the NBA?

992
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 3: Yeah?

993
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: I think so.

994
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 2: I think so too. I think it's a new NBA.

995
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I had a couple of people disagree with

996
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 2: me that day, but I think it's a completely different

997
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 2: NBA than what we saw growing up. It's absolutely different

998
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 2: league now. I don't see why, you know, a Luca

999
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,439
Speaker 2: can't be the face of the NBA. I don't see

1000
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 2: why Sga can't be the face of the NBA.

1001
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 3: I don't.

1002
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 2: I mean, even though you know, Canada is not Europe,

1003
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 2: I just it doesn't have to be a I don't

1004
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 2: feel like it has to be an American born player anymore.

1005
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:48,479
Speaker 1: I don't.

1006
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 2: I mean, we're at the point where the sixth man

1007
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 2: is getting one hundred million. Yeah, we never thought that.

1008
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 2: We see that. We thought that the six man was

1009
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 2: always gonna make six man money. And you can come

1010
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 2: off the bench and make a hundred million right now.

1011
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 1: And why because our game has grown globally. Yes, Like

1012
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: this game is not unique to just us anymore. Right,

1013
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: It's a global game. It's really our superpower. Right, the

1014
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: NFL dominates here in the United States. But like, as

1015
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 1: far as our appeal and kind of what separates us

1016
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: is bringing all these different countries together, you know, for

1017
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: this one common goal. So I don't think it's a

1018
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: problem with a guy. You know, if they have enough

1019
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: charisma and they have enough character and they got the

1020
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: game that matches it, you know, I think they should.

1021
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: I think Luca being in LA I think at some

1022
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:35,479
Speaker 1: point he will.

1023
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 3: That's why I picked Luca.

1024
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,240
Speaker 2: You know, obviously, you know, one of the most historical

1025
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 2: franchises in the game of basketball, right, you know, they're

1026
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 2: still selling you know, selling out. You know, the jerseys,

1027
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 2: the Laker jersey still makes a statement no matter where

1028
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 2: it is, right, and now you're talking about a twenty.

1029
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 3: Five year old superstar.

1030
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, Luca has the Yeah, what how you feel about

1031
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 2: the trade?

1032
00:44:58,160 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: I like it.

1033
00:44:58,880 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 3: I like it.

1034
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: I like it for the game, you know, to get

1035
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: your superstars in the big markets, you know, I know,

1036
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: smaller markets probably don't want to hear that shit, but

1037
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: to get your superstars in big markets really helped.

1038
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 2: Yes.

1039
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing that Luca will benefit from

1040
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: is being around Lebron and his professionalism and his you know,

1041
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: dedication to the game and how he handles the media

1042
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 1: and how he carries himself because he can that's an

1043
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: area where he can grow. Yes, that's really where all

1044
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: his criticism comes basically, you know, in his habits and

1045
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:31,720
Speaker 1: his defense. Yes, And I think those are fair, you know, observations.

1046
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: He gotta get, he gotta get in better shape. If

1047
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: you're gonna play thirty minutes a night, thirty five minutes

1048
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: a night and have to you know, score rebound pass

1049
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: and if you want to win championships, you're gonna have

1050
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 1: to have some resistance on the defensive end. So I

1051
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 1: think like being able to see Lebron in that space,

1052
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 1: being in La is definitely gonna heighten the experience for

1053
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: Luca in the NBA.

1054
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 3: I mean right now, they moved up to number two

1055
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 3: in the West. You know what I'm saying.

1056
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 2: I still think that even they won the other night

1057
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 2: against Denver, I still think of a seven game series,

1058
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 2: they'll struggle just because they have nothing for Joker. There's

1059
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 2: no answer for Joker. But I do think in a

1060
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 2: seven game series they can compete against anybody in the West.

1061
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 2: I agree they can compete against and they got a chance.

1062
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 3: They got it.

1063
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 2: It's not one of those games where we were picking

1064
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 2: the other team. Immediately you looking at these Laker team

1065
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 2: and you looking at the other teams in the West,

1066
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 2: and you're saying, they match up pretty good with everybody.

1067
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 3: The only team.

1068
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 2: Like I said, I worry about Denver and I worry

1069
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:35,240
Speaker 2: about OKC because the size, the Chets, the Hartenstein's, the Jokers,

1070
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,760
Speaker 2: that Mark Williams trade that didn't go through for the Lakers.

1071
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 2: Bringing in that big body that could go vertical and

1072
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 2: give look at that vertical space and then also can

1073
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 2: guard the rim on the other side, I think that's

1074
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 2: what will hurt them.

1075
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:47,439
Speaker 3: But I like what they're doing.

1076
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 2: I was one of those guys that was wondering, could

1077
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 2: JJ Reddick quiet the noise in the locker room and

1078
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 2: just get guys to focus on the main thing. To

1079
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 2: his credit, he's been able to do that. He's been

1080
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 2: able to get guys to focus on the main thing.

1081
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 2: He's been able to quiet and know it, and he's

1082
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 2: been able to get those guys to connect. Yeah, so

1083
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 2: I see that, you know what I'm saying. So the

1084
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 2: question is will they have enough this year? And I

1085
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,399
Speaker 2: just don't know if they will have enough this year.

1086
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 2: But I like what the future looks like. I like

1087
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 2: what Bron is doing. We're talking about MVPs, we talking

1088
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,720
Speaker 2: about SGA, is we talking about Joker? And Bron slid

1089
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 2: into that conversation with the sh he doing right now.

1090
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: He's right there. Yeah, I think they got their contender.

1091
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: Anytime you got Lebron on your team, you got an

1092
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 1: opportunity to win. Yes, I don't think we've seen him

1093
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: play with somebody like Luca since maybe Wade. Yes, Kyrie

1094
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 1: obviously was a great, you know, second option as well,

1095
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 1: But I think this is the most talented player Lebron

1096
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: has played with as far as on the offensive end,

1097
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,240
Speaker 1: being able to you know, score the ball and get assists.

1098
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: Luca is probably one of one of the greatest already

1099
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: at being able to do that. But you're right, man,

1100
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 1: I just think that Joker is a matchup problem for them,

1101
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: and styles make fights, and I don't think that they

1102
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: would beat Denver. Now, what could happen is they can

1103
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 1: avoid Denver depending on where they place. Yes, yes, and

1104
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 1: they might not you know, they might not have to

1105
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: you know, run through that, uh, you know, match up

1106
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: with Joker. But yeah, they're contender. I don't think they'll

1107
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: win at all. I just don't think that they have enough. Yeah,

1108
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: I don't think their love threats are really, you know,

1109
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: good enough. I don't think they have enough size. I

1110
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: don't think they have enough depth. But they have two

1111
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: superstar players that can't really get it going on a

1112
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: on a in a major way.

1113
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 2: So they got to strength. They got strength on that

1114
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 2: wing they do that wing. They got Rudy and they

1115
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 2: go you know, Finley Smith, you know the Van, They

1116
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 2: got Reve, they got you know, d k Back, they

1117
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 2: got strength on that wing. They do you know what

1118
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 2: I'm saying, which which is a very important position in

1119
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 2: the league because you want a lot of switchable matchups.

1120
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 2: But enough about them. We're gonna go back to your story.

1121
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 2: You got the Nets, you got Boston. You know what

1122
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Oh.

1123
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: Ship, you good? We're talking about Boston.

1124
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 3: Talk about Boston. Boy.

1125
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, can't know me when I played for the Celtics.

1126
00:48:58,160 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 3: You still remember that?

1127
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: Man, you have slim. I'm gonna say what's up to

1128
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: you tonight because you know we ain't gonna talk during

1129
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 1: the uh you know, while we see you this summer.

1130
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 3: Bro, It's all no listen.

1131
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 2: I told you and I tell people this all the time, dog,

1132
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 2: and I said this on the other podcast.

1133
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 3: Man, I wasn't good enough to do both.

1134
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 2: It wasn't good enough to be your friend and still

1135
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 2: play play hard like I had to. I had to

1136
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 2: separate the two. Yeah, because I needed that edge. I

1137
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 2: needed that chip on my shoulder. That's when I thrived,

1138
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:24,479
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.

1139
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 1: So between the Miami Heat culture and the Miami High

1140
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: shaky rod Rigus Frank Martin culture then doctrinated you to

1141
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, like, play with that.

1142
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 3: I did the same thing. We played against Dallas and

1143
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 3: I played against my keys. Yeah, my keys.

1144
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 2: We go back to and I ain't speak to my

1145
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 2: keys and that in that playoff series.

1146
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: I talked to you this summer.

1147
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 2: I wasn't I ain't had that talent. I wasn't drafted.

1148
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 2: He I remember, like y'all, So I kept I kept

1149
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 2: a chip on my shoulder. Man, That's how I got

1150
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:50,720
Speaker 2: through the league.

1151
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: I feel you, you know what I'm saying. I feel you

1152
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: look for me too. It was it was a bit

1153
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: like that, because like once you go through the heat system,

1154
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 1: like you play the game a certain way and you

1155
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: basically willing to die out there. Yeah you know what

1156
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 1: I mean, if you really buy into it, like you

1157
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: really like, I don't care about getting elbowed. I don't

1158
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: care about nothing out here. At the end of the day,

1159
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: I got a job to do, and I'm gonna do

1160
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: it to the best and the hardest I can do it.

1161
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 1: So I definitely understand that. But man, that was some

1162
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:20,240
Speaker 1: fun matchups.

1163
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 3: Bro.

1164
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: I came from playing playing in those series, Bro and

1165
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 1: playing with Ticket. You know, change my life Ticket talking

1166
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: about that, man.

1167
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,399
Speaker 2: Because regardless of you know, the back and forth shit

1168
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 2: that we have, Man, I got the ultimate respect for

1169
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 2: his game leadership, you know, coming down the basketball court

1170
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,760
Speaker 2: and this motherfucker calling out every pin down, every cross screen,

1171
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 2: just policing the defense. Yeah, you know what I'm saying,

1172
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 2: being being that leader, you know, vocally, Yeah, you know

1173
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. And by example, Yeah, you know what

1174
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 2: I'm saying. So you know, just talk about the opportunity

1175
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 2: to play with with KG and and what you know,

1176
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 2: what he brought to the game, what she was able

1177
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 2: to learn from him.

1178
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: Ticket will unlock you. He'll unlock you in a way

1179
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 1: like he'll unlock the beast in you. He'll make like shack.

1180
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 1: He would make you feel appreciated. You know, he'll speak

1181
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: life into you, tell you how cold you literally told

1182
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: you what you need like you know, he just he

1183
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: did the same thing the same way every time, every day.

1184
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: And I don't think he gets enough credit because like

1185
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: he was getting in hyperbaric chambers, getting sades, you know

1186
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: what I mean, doing all these different things with his

1187
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: body before it was the norm. And so now it's

1188
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: the norm to have normal texts and game ready and

1189
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 1: have all this stuff on the road, ice baths and

1190
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,479
Speaker 1: things like that. Ticket was doing this stuff years ago,

1191
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 1: you know, putting us up on it. Come get in

1192
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 1: the hyperbaric chamber, that it's gonna help you with recovery. He'll

1193
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: come take some of this coconut water and put some

1194
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: chea seeds in it, so you know, they expand, so

1195
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: the you know, everything he did it was with passion

1196
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: and things like that. But man, playing with those great

1197
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: players like that, man, they enhanced the NBA experience. So

1198
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: I'm thankful I got the opportunity to play with all

1199
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: those guys.

1200
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 3: Man.

1201
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 2: And I'm thankful too because it's playing against people like

1202
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 2: Ticket and being in series like that that bring the

1203
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 2: best at you, absolutely and let you know what you

1204
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 2: really made of.

1205
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: Absolutely.

1206
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 3: You don't really know what you made until you throw

1207
00:51:58,680 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 3: it in that five.

1208
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: Until you took them out piece and say you can't

1209
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: go under this year. I feel you.

1210
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 2: You need that, You need those moments so you know,

1211
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 2: you go and you get towards the end and injuries

1212
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:13,879
Speaker 2: injury bug. If I'm not mistaken, it's the hip.

1213
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, Both of my hips are the genitor. Both

1214
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:20,280
Speaker 1: of them are degenerative, degenitive. They started happening like around

1215
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: my last year in Orlando. That was one of the

1216
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: reasons I didn't re sign with them, So I had

1217
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: to get surgery. I still have a tear in my labor.

1218
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 1: You know, had to take a lot of quarters on

1219
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: shots and things like that, you know, just to be

1220
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: able to go out there and perform. So yeah, I

1221
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: got bit by the injury bug a little bit, and

1222
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: then I also got burnt out. At the end of

1223
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: my career, I got worn down, you know, had some

1224
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 1: incidents that happened that, like, you know, put me in

1225
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: a situation where I had to address some of my

1226
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: mental health and you know what I mean, Like it

1227
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 1: didn't end the way that I wanted to end, but

1228
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 1: you know, when one door closes, another open. So I

1229
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: got an opportunity to work in the front office with

1230
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 1: the Celtics, and got to work for the Players Association

1231
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 1: and got the coach with the Utah Jazz. And so

1232
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: the game has been good to me, even though I

1233
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,760
Speaker 1: made mistakes, had my shortcomings, and I had my failures

1234
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: that I you know, take full responsibility for. You know,

1235
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:12,720
Speaker 1: this game is still a game that keeps on giving.

1236
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 1: And I'm still able to talk because I was in

1237
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 1: this particular game.

1238
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 2: And I'm happy you brought that up because mental health.

1239
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 2: He was one of the first people I know that

1240
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 2: was vulnerable enough to speak about it, you know what

1241
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 2: I'm saying as black men. Yeah, and as much as

1242
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 2: our fathers taught us, they didn't teach us to speak

1243
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 2: openly about our pain and our mental health and our suffering.

1244
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:30,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1245
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 2: I was that was that was supposed to be internalized. Yeah,

1246
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 2: I was supposed to push through that was to suck

1247
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 2: that up. But you was one of the first people

1248
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 2: that I saw that was open to talk about their

1249
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 2: mental health. And I always admired that about you because

1250
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 2: behind the closed doors, I struggled with that. And now

1251
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 2: I do therapy, yeah, and I have a therapist, and

1252
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 2: I'm very open about that.

1253
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 3: But you spoke. You spoke.

1254
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 2: You a was ahead of the game speaking about that

1255
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 2: as a black man. So I'm to give you a flowers,

1256
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 2: but just talk about how important mental health has been.

1257
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 1: You know, for you, it means everything you know, holistic health,

1258
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: you know, to physical, spiritual, and emotional. And if you

1259
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: don't deal with it, you'll be out of alignment in

1260
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: other areas in your life. And it'll show up, whether

1261
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,720
Speaker 1: it's in anger, whether it's in you know, over drinking

1262
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: or smoking or being promiscuous, whether it's in you know,

1263
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: all these different you know, side effects can come through it,

1264
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: whether it's anxiety, depression, suicidal thoughts, all these different things.

1265
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: And so look, it's only so much that you can carry,

1266
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: you know, before it weighs you down. What therapy does.

1267
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: It gives you the opportunity to, you know, process it,

1268
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: what you experienced, get some tools to be able to

1269
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: deal with it, and then speak about it so you

1270
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: can get that load off of you, so you don't

1271
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: find yourself in a constant state of being triggered, you know,

1272
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,879
Speaker 1: and then you learn about your triggers, and you learn

1273
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 1: about your traumas, and then once you embrace those different things,

1274
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 1: you might find a different piece of yourself, a different calling,

1275
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 1: a different skill set, a different talent. So I just

1276
00:54:57,920 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: think mental health as well.

1277
00:54:59,520 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 3: It's her.

1278
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 2: So we talked about some of the mistakes, you know

1279
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, And obviously we all made mistakes. Yeah,

1280
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 2: for sure, you know what I'm saying. So the ain't

1281
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 2: no judgment, you know what I mean. I definitely made

1282
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 2: some mistakes.

1283
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean.

1284
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 2: So we all we talk about the mistakes, and not

1285
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 2: only just the mistakes, but the bounce back. Yeah, the

1286
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,439
Speaker 2: next phase after that you know what I'm saying, getting

1287
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 2: back up and everything you're doing now. I was when

1288
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 2: I walked in the gym, I had the biggest smile

1289
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 2: on my faces. I walked in the gym one day

1290
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 2: to pick up my son, and I see you were

1291
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:27,320
Speaker 2: there working.

1292
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 3: With the kids.

1293
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 2: Let's go getting getting So, you know, just talking about

1294
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 2: the recovery process, man, and just you know, everything you

1295
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 2: went through and and you know where you're at now mentally, physically,

1296
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 2: emotionally and how it helped.

1297
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1298
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: So so it's been a rough two year period, you know,

1299
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: kind of you know, dealing with you know, coming from

1300
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:48,280
Speaker 1: the apex being you know, coaching at the highest level

1301
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: to being indicted. Hey man, that's a that's a long

1302
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 1: fall from great, right, and then the fallout that comes

1303
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: along with it, So the silence, the isolation, you know,

1304
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: you have to kind of reform you'late who you are.

1305
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: You gotta find new ways of earning and and and

1306
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,280
Speaker 1: job opportunities and things like that. And then you're dealing

1307
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: with the system as well, because I was facing a

1308
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 1: lot of time and I had a lot of guys

1309
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: cooperate against me. So to be able to stand in

1310
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: the face of that like a man and accept responsibility

1311
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: and not implicate or include anybody. I like the way

1312
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: that I handled that.

1313
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 2: For y'all at home. He's saying there was a lot

1314
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 2: of people that snitched on him. He ain't snitch on nod.

1315
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 2: If you can't understand this.

1316
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I appreciate the translation. Yeah, you articulated, because

1317
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 1: it's not it's not it's not necessarily to me. It's

1318
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 1: not about that, you know what I mean? Because like

1319
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: as a man, you know, you you do something, you

1320
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: have to deal with the consequences. So I'm big on

1321
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: consequences because how can you, you know, get to the

1322
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 1: next level if you don't embrace.

1323
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 2: What the way the court systems works. That you had

1324
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 2: the opportunity to give up information and lessen your senates.

1325
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: Probably, yeah, I could possibly know, because you know, but

1326
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: you never that that wasn't the route that I chose

1327
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: to go. You know, we lot of deal go.

1328
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 3: First to tell get the deal.

1329
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, part of the game. But for me, U D.

1330
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: It's like life is full of chapters, you know what

1331
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: I mean. And there's gonna be some triumphs, there's gonna

1332
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: be some tribulations, there's gonna be some fun and some

1333
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: good times, and there's gonna be some adversity. You have

1334
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: to embrace them all because you learn a lot about yourself,

1335
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: you learn a lot about people in the face of adversity.

1336
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: So for me, you know, now I have new callings

1337
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: and new purposes and new passions that I'm serious about

1338
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: doing preventative things, you know, having these conversations where you

1339
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: know you you know, you tell your story, you know,

1340
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: to maybe you know, help somebody avoid if they're making

1341
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: a decision that could potentially cost them their freedom, you know,

1342
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: doing prison reform and making sure that the rights that

1343
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 1: inmates have are protected because it's rough in there. And

1344
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: then using my voice, like not running away from like

1345
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: I'm a hooper at at the heart, I love sports.

1346
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 1: So being able to you know, talk on my podcasts,

1347
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 1: you know, beyond the narrative, the crossover. I do stuff

1348
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: with Matt on all the smoke, Matt and stat Jack

1349
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 1: over there on all the smoke and so like kind

1350
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: of finding my rhythm and my weight in this space.

1351
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: It has been very therapeutic for me. Yep. So we're

1352
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: just getting started, bro.

1353
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 2: We talking about your podcast, Bro, because I want to

1354
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 2: make sure we put that out there.

1355
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: Absolutely.

1356
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 4: Yep.

1357
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 1: So a couple of things that I do, man, I

1358
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: want is to cross over down on Beyond the Narrative.

1359
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 1: We're just kind of getting started, but we got some

1360
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: big plans. My guy Nail, my guy Andy or the

1361
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: co host on there along with myself, and we're just

1362
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: gonna be building content. Man. We got a good setup

1363
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: down there and we're just growing. I get to go

1364
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,439
Speaker 1: on All the Smoke twice a month right now, two

1365
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 1: to three times. A shout out to Matt Stack Jack Man,

1366
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: Matt Boy, thank you champ. You know what I mean,

1367
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: because like Matt really has helped me, you know, get

1368
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 1: back on this track. Man. He really believes in my

1369
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: talent and things like that, So salute to him and

1370
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: stat Jack. But man, I'm really excited about it. I'm

1371
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: really excited about, like, you know, finding my voice, finding

1372
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 1: my rhythm and finding the right place to be able

1373
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 1: to you know, you know, bring my commentary.

1374
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 2: Okay, I think we got a couple of fan questions

1375
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 2: we're gonna go. We're gonna go to fan questions. Okay,

1376
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 2: but before we go to fan questions, I do have

1377
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 2: one question, and this is what I want to know.

1378
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 2: The everything you went through. How was the process of

1379
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 2: keeping the family, because I know how important family is

1380
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 2: to you. I know you're a family man. Yeah, and

1381
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 2: just tell me about the process of making sure. I'm

1382
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 2: over here, I gotta do this time. Yeah, but we

1383
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 2: still connected, Yeah, I'm still we still were still locked in,

1384
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Just tell me how you

1385
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 2: balance that out because when we talk about therapy, and

1386
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 2: one thing you said is about balance in life and

1387
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 2: having that balance. So just talk about the family dynamic

1388
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 2: and just keeping that structure even though I'm over here

1389
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 2: and you over there, like I'm call you this time.

1390
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,439
Speaker 2: How it went. Yeah, I know you don't play about

1391
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 2: your motherfucker family.

1392
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know that you girls, you.

1393
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 4: Don't play.

1394
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 3: So just talk about that because I'm sure that was

1395
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 3: probably the biggest hole.

1396
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 1: It was the hard you had to cover. It was

1397
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: the hardest part. Man. Like, I got four children, right,

1398
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: you know, and they all looked at me a certain way,

1399
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 1: and I've always been present in their lives, providing provision, leadership, vision, protection,

1400
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 1: you know, all those different things. You know, not only

1401
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: my kids, but my wife and fam my extended family

1402
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: as well. So that was the most difficult part. For me.

1403
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 1: But what I had to recognize is that everybody gets

1404
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 1: to experience it in their own way, right, It's not

1405
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 1: just about me. So I had to remove my feelings

1406
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: and my emotions and how everybody received it. I had

1407
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: to move that out of the equation. And I had

1408
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: to make sure I set up the infrastructure for them

1409
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 1: to be able to live, to be able to eat,

1410
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 1: to be able to survive, and things like that, and

1411
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 1: allow all them to go through the anger, the distance,

1412
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 1: the time, the space, you know, and whatever phase that

1413
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 1: they kind of needed to go through while I was

1414
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: going through that. Because when you're going into that kind

1415
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 1: of environment, you gotta kind of turn the light switch on,

1416
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 1: like it's it is you deep, let me tell you,

1417
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 1: it's real. It's real being locked up. It is not

1418
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 1: no playplace shit. It is a real thing. But God

1419
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 1: kept us, you know, our faith, our our history, our

1420
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: love and our respect for one another allowed us to

1421
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: navigate that situation. Now, there was times where you had

1422
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: to take space beautiful, you know, and be quiet.

1423
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 3: Right.

1424
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 1: There was times where you know, maybe my kids you know,

1425
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 1: were missing me and would cry. So it was a

1426
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 1: whole bunch of different things. But man like if I

1427
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: had to say one thing that kept us through that. Man,

1428
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 1: it was nothing, but you know what I mean, it

1429
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 1: was nothing but the Lord at the end of the day,

1430
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 1: preserving our family.

1431
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 2: And I know, but I know you ain't. You ain't sweet.

1432
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 1: I'm no chicken shot at the air, I bid it good.

1433
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: I did a good shout out to all my homies

1434
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 1: at Coleman who I was locked up with. Man, everybody,

1435
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 1: you know, it's all. It's all. It's too many of

1436
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: you to mention your name. But you know, I hope

1437
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 1: y'all doing well up in there.

1438
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 2: That's love. So let's get to some fan questions. Man,

1439
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 2: We're gonna go with one fan question at GRIZ. I

1440
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 2: n k who started the Celtics bench celebration Duly, Marquise

1441
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 2: Daniels or Ryan Hollins.

1442
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 3: I don't know what bench celebration is.

1443
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 2: Man.

1444
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 1: You used to see us over there?

1445
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I remember that used to see Man, that's

1446
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 2: a Florida ship.

1447
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 1: It had to be you a Mark, you know, it

1448
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 1: was me and whole team.

1449
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 3: It had to be you a b that's a Florida ship.

1450
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 1: And I remember we was on this couch one night,

1451
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Vibing after the game. You

1452
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, You know how man whole team,

1453
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 1: one man show man. Shout out to Marquis Daniels, Bro,

1454
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 1: we love you, Bro. Strong over there man real but me,

1455
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 1: me and Keith was like, all right, what we're gonna

1456
01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 1: name it? And we just said we're gonna name that

1457
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: bit we flexing and that's and then Keys went right

1458
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 1: to the to the Twitter because he was his Twitter

1459
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 1: fingers was mean back then, so like, you know, we

1460
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 1: named it right there, and you know that was that

1461
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 1: was our little rally cry.

1462
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I ain't gonna I was a little jealous you

1463
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 3: and Key's got to play together.

1464
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 1: I know, Bro, it was fun playing.

1465
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 2: I was jealous You's got We all grew up together,

1466
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 2: played against each other. I was a little jealous you

1467
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 2: Keys got to play well and home team when we

1468
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 2: had a ball, I was Listen, you don't know how

1469
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 2: happy I was when you came to the Heat. Opportunity

1470
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 2: to play with what ofs that you grew up with,

1471
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 2: That's a big deal.

1472
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 1: It was fun, Bro, for sure.

1473
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 2: Top five favorite teammates and why they are your favorite teammates?

1474
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 2: Starting five using only your teammates Soon You're gonna go

1475
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 2: top five favorite teammates and why they are your favorite teamates.

1476
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 1: Man, that that's so tough, you know, because I played

1477
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 1: with a lot of great guys. So I would say, uh,

1478
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: shack at the five. I would say kg at the four,

1479
01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 1: you know. And it's just when I'm talking about favorites,

1480
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 1: it ain't likes or whatever, it's just, you know, kind

1481
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 1: of my favorites.

1482
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 2: Uh.

1483
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 1: At the three, I say Vince Carter. It was fun

1484
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 1: playing with Vince, you know, being able to play, you know,

1485
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 1: with him in New Jersey, play with all.

1486
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 3: The Florida boys.

1487
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 1: Huh. You gotta play with all the Florida by a

1488
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: handful of us. I know, you gotta play with I

1489
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:21,919
Speaker 1: got to play with a lot of the hometol Yeah.

1490
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 1: And he's probably gonna be two surprise picks because like, man,

1491
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 1: I love playing with you and D Wade and Q

1492
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 1: Rich and d Males and all those guys. But man,

1493
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 1: Eddie House was one of my favorite teammates to play with.

1494
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 2: Bro Goddamn funny boy house Boy. That's my dog, bro

1495
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 2: Eddie House, So god damn Fuddy.

1496
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 1: House and Jamiir Nelson, Jamire Nelson, you know, and Damn.

1497
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 1: I mean that's don't jami got a son that's balling.

1498
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 1: Jamiir got a son who's balling. Yeah, he doing well.

1499
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 1: He's in the G League right now. And you know what, man, Yeah, Jamiir.

1500
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 1: But Trevor a reason too, boy, men Trail kick me

1501
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 1: and me and Traill. But it's so many. You know,

1502
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 1: I enjoyed playing with a lot of my teammates, bro,

1503
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: but those those are probably my top six right there.

1504
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 1: I know that's more than five.

1505
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 2: Give me your start in five. That's that's the favorites.

1506
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 2: Those are the ones. Now give me your talent wise.

1507
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 1: Start talent wise. Yeah, So I'm gonna say uh d Wade.

1508
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:26,919
Speaker 3: Kg.

1509
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 1: Of course, I'm gonna say shack in. These ain't positions

1510
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 1: the White Howard and.

1511
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 3: This was tough for you. This was gonna be tough

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this one is gonna be tough for me. But

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to probably go with Damn. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: have to say Jesus shuttles Worth. I'm gonna have to

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Speaker 1: say Ray, Walter Ray because like his pedigree, you know,

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Speaker 1: and what he did, you know for the game, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna have to say I have to throw a great

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Speaker 1: teammate was real to me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I ain't no problems with I didn't mean to.

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Speaker 2: When I say that that crazy somehow I knew because

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Speaker 2: you don't get mad like that. So I've seen that's

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Speaker 2: just something to make he y'all mad that ship.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you come running out of the tunnel, went

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Speaker 3: back into the tunnel. I was wrong with you that day. Man.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you, man, I appreciate you to you got

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Speaker 2: you got, you know, an unlimited amount of knowledge and

1551
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Speaker 2: experiences though, and anybody working with you moving forward be

1552
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Speaker 2: you know, lucky. Thank you know what I'm saying, whatever level,

1553
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Speaker 2: whether it's basketball, whether it's life, you know what I'm saying.

1554
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Speaker 3: You're all around good dude. Man. You thank you for

1555
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Speaker 3: one dog.

1556
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Speaker 1: So now do you tell my boy from South Dakota

1557
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Speaker 1: Mica Miller, Yeah, I got it. You know what I mean? Like,

1558
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Speaker 1: next time you know I come into the studio, he

1559
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Speaker 1: better have his ass here. I missed my boy. I

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Speaker 1: ain't seem I ain't see a dog in a long time.

1561
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Speaker 1: Man said my love to Mike. I'm real proud of.

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Speaker 3: You, know when you got your own plane. I know

1563
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Speaker 3: sometimes sometime Captain.

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Speaker 1: You know a new Brett barrow.

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Speaker 2: We do this thing called og advice, and I usually

1566
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Speaker 2: do it, but I'm gonna let you do it today

1567
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Speaker 2: because it ain't nobody got to give the gap like

1568
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Speaker 2: slimy Slim Johnson. Ain't nobody got to give the gap

1569
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Speaker 2: like Slim Johnson. Man, give me some o G advice,

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Speaker 2: oh g advice?

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Speaker 1: All right, So a couple of things man Like, leadership

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Speaker 1: is not about your position. It's about your disposition. I

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Speaker 1: believe it's a leader in each and every one of

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Speaker 1: us as right. So find out what you're good at,

1575
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Speaker 1: cultivate that and that talent, develop that talent and lead right.

1576
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Speaker 1: And I also believe in order to be a good leader,

1577
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Speaker 1: you have to at once follow. So get get some mentorship,

1578
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 1: you know, find a mentor somebody you can learn from

1579
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Speaker 1: who can speed up your learning curve. Next thing I'll

1580
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Speaker 1: say is that like the biggest room in it's building,

1581
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Speaker 1: the biggest room in your life is the room for improvement.

1582
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Speaker 1: It's not how you start, it's how you finished. You

1583
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Speaker 1: can get better, you can develop, you can work on

1584
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Speaker 1: those deficiencies. You can become a better human being. You

1585
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Speaker 1: can't get healing, you can't get forgiveness. You can work

1586
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Speaker 1: on anger. You can get better. The last thing I'll

1587
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Speaker 1: say is that man, God is love, and I love you.

1588
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Speaker 1: Learn how to love, learn how to forgive, learn how

1589
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Speaker 1: to heal, learn how to be the best version of yourself.

1590
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Speaker 1: And you are not defined by one mistake. It's not

1591
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Speaker 1: about the mistake, it's how you react to it. So

1592
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Speaker 1: og advice from KD. Thank you for giving me that opportunity.

1593
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Speaker 1: You put me on the spot that boy.

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Speaker 3: I had to But I know you. I know you

1595
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Speaker 3: were gonna come through it.

1596
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Speaker 4: You know what you know?

1597
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Speaker 1: Man, already love you, love you.

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Speaker 6: Tell one