1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: P I Magazine is the most respected magazine of the 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: professional investigator, featuring stories and articles on current topics, equipment reviews, 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: investigative tips, and practical advice for the professional investigator. Don't 4 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: miss a single issue of PI Magazine. Subscribe today at 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: PI magazine dot com. Use this show's promotional code for 6 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 1: your special discount at p I magazine dot com. Subscribe today, 7 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: use promo code Nancy for your special discount. That's promo 8 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: code Nancy. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius x 9 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: Him Triumph Channel one. Thirty two five year old Lucas 10 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: Hernandez seemingly disappears into thin air, his dad out working 11 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 1: with an oil rig. The stepmother, Emily Glass with him 12 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: at home at the time, while she is taking in 13 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: that pie apparently slips out the back door. Well that's 14 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: certainly raised eyebrows with in the police department in the 15 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 1: last hours. A stunning turn of events. That stepmother Emily Glass, 16 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: who leads a private investigator after three months to little 17 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: Lucas's dead body under a bridge, has apparently been shot. 18 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: I mean, sy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you 19 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: for being with us, and a bizarre turn of events 20 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: we learned that Emily Glass is found early early in 21 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: the morning in a home near Kellogg and Edgemore. This 22 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: is Lucas Hernandez is so called step mother. Officers respond 23 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: to the home around to a m to find a 24 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: woman with a gunshot wound, which taught police on the 25 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: scene right now joining me a very dear friend of 26 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: Emily Glasses. It's Shelley eber Heart. Shelley, thank you for 27 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: being with us, and I'm stunned by this turn of events. Shelley, 28 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: what happened? We really don't know. We just was at 29 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: home Shaney and I was at Shaney's house. She's my 30 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: best friend of over thirty years, and we've been on 31 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: the Emily Glass case Lucas Hernandez case since day one 32 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: and had our doubts in the beginning, but after seeing 33 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: more and more of the evidence and things that weren't 34 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: lining up, I started our own group on Facebook and 35 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 1: added Shaney as a co administrator. Very much. Our main 36 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: objective was finding Lucius, of course, and also supporting Annily 37 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:46,839 Speaker 1: because a lot of her rights, her constitutional rights were 38 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: being violated, and then dealing with different things throughout the 39 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: legal system the past sixteen years and knowing different things. 40 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: I've never heard of a person being hell in gael 41 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: on a child in dangeroum a charge on a fifty 42 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: dollar bond, or that taste being publicized such as hers was. 43 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: She was basically tried and convicted. Just well, hold on, Shelley, 44 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,399 Speaker 1: I thought that she was actually acquitted and walked through. 45 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: Now she did. But okay, because when you said she 46 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 1: was tried and convicted, I thought maybe I had my 47 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: facts wrong. So she was acquitted, tried and convicted in 48 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: the public side. Well, when you say that she was 49 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: had so much let me say publicity. Well, but wouldn't 50 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: you agree, Shelley. Everybody with me as a dear friend 51 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: of the stepmother Emily Glass, who was home alone the 52 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: only adult with Lucas Hernandez when he goes missing and 53 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: then leads a private investigator three months later to his 54 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: dead body in an obscure, obscure area under a bridge. 55 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: When you say her case got so much scrutiny, I 56 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: don't think it really had to do with her driving 57 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: after three bowls apart. I think the scrutiny was because 58 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: Lucas at the time was still missing and everyone felt 59 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: she had the maybe the missing answers to what happened 60 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: to him? Tell me why you think Do you think 61 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,359 Speaker 1: Emily Glass was involved in Lucas's death? No, we don't 62 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: believe that she harmed Lucas. Yes, we have always felt 63 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: that she had information as to what happened to him 64 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: and about his disappearance, even from her first Gelhouse interview, 65 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: her video taped interview with k w H Channel twelve 66 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: here on which Tall, Kansas, she did state herself that 67 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: there was a story to tell, but that it was 68 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: not her story to tell. There was a story to tell, 69 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: but it's not her story to tell. Wasn't she the 70 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 1: only adult in the home when he went missing? Um? 71 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 1: There was also a homeles man there at the time 72 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: that Lucas went missing. Okay, and who was that? By 73 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: the name of Christian Route right, let me ask you, um, 74 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: what evidence supports the theory that there was a homeless 75 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: man in the home when Lucas goes missing. Um, it's 76 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: actually been reported and verified by the police officers. They 77 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: did bring him in for questioning and did have him 78 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,359 Speaker 1: talk to Emily, trying to get her to talk. Um. 79 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: But unfortunately, just two weeks after he spoke to the 80 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: police and talked about his involvement in the Lucas Hernandez 81 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 1: case and his disappearance. He coincidentally wound up dad and 82 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 1: a hint and run accident. Well, my question is if 83 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: he first of all, what was a homeless man doing 84 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 1: in their home? If that's true, Emily is a very 85 00:05:55,920 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: empathetic person. It was called outside. It was just the 86 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 1: type of person she is, as far as somebody being 87 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: outside cold. Um. But we have since learned that this 88 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: Christian Riles has connections with bile mom Jamie Orr and 89 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: also has connections with Misty Cox, who has appointed herself 90 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: as the spokesperson now for the Hernandez Well for Lucas 91 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 1: Hernandez is um mom and Dad. Well, this is starting 92 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: to sound like a very vast conspiracy that a homeless 93 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: man was in the home at the time Lucas goes missing, 94 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: and he, according to you, has connections with Lucas's biological 95 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 1: mom who lived in a different city. Actually Jamie lived here. 96 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: Jamie lives in which talk Kansas ap getting a jump 97 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: from Emily and Jonathan's home and where to Emily and 98 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: Jonathan is their home in Wichita? Yes, it is. When 99 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: you say a hop skipping a jump. That that's interesting. 100 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: Let me rephrase. So according to you, and this is 101 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: according to Emily at the time the five year old 102 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: little boy goes missing under her care, she has invited 103 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: an unknown homeless man into the home. We now know 104 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: his name, and you are stating that he had connections. 105 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: Whatever that means to the biological mother who lived elsewhere? 106 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: Is that correct to Lucas's bio mom? Now, why would 107 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: anybody take a nap with a homeless man in the 108 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: home with your child? That I can't answer. Um, I'm 109 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: a mother of seven children, and I do know that 110 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: if my children were napping, I would try a nap 111 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: with them any time. I can take a nap your 112 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: own doctor, with a homeless man, with a homeless man, 113 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: a homeless man in my home. I've never done that, 114 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: but yeah, okay, So another thing. During these three months 115 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: that Lucas was missing, the homeless man was never taken 116 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: into custody. He was questioned after Glass pointing a finger 117 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: at him, but he was never taken into custody. Interested 118 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: for any reason? Why is that? Actually Emily Glass never 119 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 1: named him. The police actually found that found Well, that's 120 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, let me write this down. So 121 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: Lucas goes missing a five year old todd boy and 122 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: this is emily story. There's a homeless man in the home. Yeah, 123 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,319 Speaker 1: when police come to find and look for the boy, 124 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 1: she never mentions a homeless man in the home. Okay, 125 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: you don't see a problem with that. She had told 126 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: Jonathan about it and he was fine with it. And um, 127 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: the police are actually the ones who found out about 128 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: the homeless man or Christian Ryles being there and they located. 129 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: I know, but that Jonathan may be fine with it, 130 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: which I frankly don't believe that any man, any father, 131 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: or any parent out of town will be okay with 132 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: a homeless guy in your home. You want to help 133 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: a homeless person, give them some money, take them to 134 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,719 Speaker 1: a shelter, give them something to eat. Don't bring him 135 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: in with your own baby. Girl, and you're taught Stepson. 136 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: I find that really hard to believe, And that she 137 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: would take a nap with a homeless guy there with 138 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: a child, and that when that child goes missing, she 139 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: never tells police, Hey, I had a guy here giving 140 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: him shelter from the cold. Obviously he's involved. Now if 141 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: even in this scenario, which I do not believe. But 142 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: even in this scenario, if it were true, I'm more 143 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: about finding out the truth. Then why did she know? 144 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:11,119 Speaker 1: Why did Emily Glass know where the body was? Okay, 145 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: where the top boy had been hidden? Okay, Um, Nancy, 146 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: this is Shaney. And from what we're understanding from Emily, 147 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: she was not sure where the body was. And she 148 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: kept telling this man, I think it's in Keascha I 149 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: I think it's in Keaschai. He drove her out to 150 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: Harvey County over this bridge of at least thirty times. 151 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: He said, I think he's out here, and he stops 152 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: the bridges and just happens to be the first bridge 153 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: just to fans off that and Lucas is under that bridge. 154 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,839 Speaker 1: But if you listen to this, okay, well why why 155 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: why if you listen to the podcast audio that, yeah, 156 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: that's not what I hear. I don't hear him telling 157 00:10:56,200 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: her where to go. How would I mean, that's not 158 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: what happened. And when you look over the bridge, you 159 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 1: can't even tell, because I've seen it myself. When you 160 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: look into that gully, you can't even tell that that 161 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: is Lucas. You can't. And she told him that she 162 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: actually told him, I believe it's key Chi. I believe 163 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 1: it's key Chi. And she kept saying, I let Lucas down. 164 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:26,839 Speaker 1: She let Lucas down because she could not defend him. 165 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: And what all is going on around her? If you 166 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 1: you mean because she led a homeless man in the 167 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 1: home that killed him and then concealed it from police, 168 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: I'm saying this homeless man did not just show up 169 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: on her doorstep by accident. I believe that. I'm saying 170 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: this homeless man did not show up on her doorstep 171 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: at all. But it's because it doesn't make sense to me. 172 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 1: How would she know where the Todds dead body was. 173 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: She led him there out of everywhere in the area. 174 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: She led him to this obscure location. The homeless man 175 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: show up at a doorstep because that was that was 176 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: private by which talked the police department and they took 177 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: him in and for a question. He was also arrested, 178 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:13,559 Speaker 1: but all the other cases and they took a hand 179 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: over to the jail to talk to Emily. But she's like, 180 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: I don't know you. She was playing kind of crazy, 181 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: like I don't know you. Um, it was a it 182 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: was a situation that I don't think you're clear of 183 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 1: or any of us are really clear of. There was 184 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: drug usage going on at that time. There was things 185 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:33,719 Speaker 1: going on in the home and the home that none 186 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: of us knew what was really going on. We've got 187 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 1: an innocent boy there, We've got an innocent baby girl. 188 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: But the day that Emily was taken into custody, the 189 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: woman had looked like she had been beaten, two black eyes, 190 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: her hands were all tore up. That was a woman fighting. 191 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: Her knuckles were completely bruised, like she was fighting to 192 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: protect somebody. That's why she says, Well, then why did 193 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: she ever tell any of that to police? Wouldn't it 194 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: be more important to find Lucas? And how would she 195 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: know that Lucas's body is in Key Chai? How would 196 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: she know that it wasn't even in Key Chai, that's 197 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: just that part. It was in Harvey County. Well, you 198 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: just said that. She continued to say, I think Lucas's 199 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: body is in Kee Chai. So well, then how did 200 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: she end up at an obscure bridge in the middle 201 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: of nowhere to tell the private eye where the body was. 202 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: He drove over that bridge over and over and he said, okay, 203 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you I think you know, or 204 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: Lucas is that isn't one of these bridges, so we'll 205 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: just stop at all of them. Nancy. I've listened to 206 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 1: all the audio, you know. David Marshburn, the p I 207 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 1: provided us every second of audio that Emily was with him, 208 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: and painstakingly we've all listened to six and a half 209 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: hours of it as they're driving around. And that's not 210 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: what I heard. So question to Emily's friend, where are 211 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: you getting the information as to what Marshburn said to her? 212 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: Where did that? Well? On one of the edited edit 213 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: party podcasts that you had, where it says right there 214 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 1: that he asked Emily which bridge and she's like, I 215 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: can't tell you. I don't know, and he says, then 216 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: a little this drive over all these bridges and we'll 217 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: get out and start looking. You know. I don't hear 218 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: him saying that. I don't ever recall that. But to 219 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: the point that's happening right now, Emily Glass has been shot. 220 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: Do you believe she shot herself? Ma'am, I've got and 221 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: I showed the police. I took my phone to night. 222 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: Jonathan Hernandez actually said last Winester Thursday, night if he's 223 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: seen Emily, he didn't know that he could keep himself 224 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: from killing her, because she asked, Jonathan, will you meet 225 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: up with me? No tape recorders, no cameras, no videos, 226 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: no metha, no phones. I want to talk to you 227 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: about everything that happened at night, And Jonathan told do 228 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: a friend, I can't I meet up with her because 229 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: if I do, I'm not sure I won't kill her. 230 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: Are you suggesting that the father of Lucas Hernandez shot 231 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: Emily Glass the stepmother? Yes, I am. Let me just 232 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: stay here that while Jonathan Hernandez, the father, was in 233 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: the home where Emily is shot and did call nine 234 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: one one. To my understanding, there is no evidence at 235 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: all that he shot Emily Glass. Right now, it is 236 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: undetermined as to the shooting. Go ahead, Dear Emily didn't 237 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: call anyone. He gets what the officers told him when 238 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: they got there. She he said she was code blue 239 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: by the time the officers she already deceased. Did you 240 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: know about a recent law that could leave your personal 241 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: data exposed online for anybody to find? If you've turned 242 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: on the news lately, you know the internet has created 243 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: a dangerous new world data breaches, exposed private information. There's 244 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: a new cybersecurity threat every other day, and criminals can 245 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: sell the identity of you and your family on the 246 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: dart web. It's time you take the power back by 247 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: using a new website called truth Finder. Truth Finder allows 248 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: you to find out exactly what information exists about you online. 249 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: Have you gotten a speeding ticket, received a lean from 250 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: the i R S, forgotten about an embarrassing social media profile. 251 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: Truth Finder searches through millions of public records, puts all 252 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: that data together and one easy to read report. Members 253 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: get unlimited searches, so you can also look up those 254 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: close to you and make sure they're not hiding something 255 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: from their past. You also get free dart web monitoring 256 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: to make truth Finder the ultimate tool in identity protection. 257 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: If your personal info appears for sale in the dark web, 258 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: you'll be the first to know. Visit truth finder dot 259 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 1: com slash Nancy enter your own name yet. Started throughout June, 260 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: Hallmark Movies and Mysteries presents a three part limited series 261 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: of Hailey Dean mysteries based on characters from the New 262 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: York Times best selling books by Nancy Grace. The series 263 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: continues this Sunday, June tenth with Hailey Dean Mysteries, A 264 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: Marriage Made for Murder. It all starts at nine pm 265 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: Eastern this Sunday. Grab your popcorn and join Nancy Grace 266 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: for Hailey Dean Mysteries, A Marriage Made for Murder on 267 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: Hallmark Movies and Mysteries with Me Now. Susan Constantine, psychologist 268 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: and author of The Complete Idiot's Guide to Reading Body Language. 269 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: You can find her at Susan Constantine dot com, her 270 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: book on Amazon. Forensics expert renowned Joseph Scott, Morgan, Ashley Willcott, 271 00:17:56,840 --> 00:18:00,479 Speaker 1: juvenile judge, founder of child crime watch dot com, and 272 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 1: crime online investigative reporter Lee Egan um Lee Egan When 273 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: where police called to the home? As we know right now, 274 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: the stepmother under suspicion and the mistreatment of a boy 275 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: found dead under a bridge. Lucas Hernandez has been shot? Who, what, where? When? 276 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: And widely give it to me in a nutshell, Nancy. 277 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: What happened was Jonathan Lucas's father called around a little 278 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: after one thirty am. He said he walked into the 279 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: home off of South Edgemore and found a woman unresponsive 280 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: with a gunshot. When police arrived a short time later 281 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: and pronounced her dead. At this time, they're saying there's 282 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: no evidence of homicide, but they're all they're not calling 283 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: it suicide either. They're still investigating. It's still very early 284 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 1: in the investigation. Very early in a developing story. Emily 285 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: Glass has been shot. The person that finds her body 286 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: is Lucas Hernandez, his father Jonathan, who spoke with in depth, 287 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: joining me Emily's friends Shelley ever Heart. Uh, and you 288 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: are convinced that she did not shoot herself? Yes, we are. 289 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: I'm Shaaney how and she's showing ever heart. We're we're 290 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: both her, both Emily's friends and um, we're both convinced 291 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:25,239 Speaker 1: you'd not shoot herself. After reading several text messages and 292 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: things of Jonathan and the last week, saying when Emily 293 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: was released from jail last week and the baby was found, 294 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,400 Speaker 1: baby Lucas was found that he would not he could 295 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: not refrain himself from possibly killing her, and all she 296 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 1: wanted to do was talk to him and explain things 297 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: to him. He would not beat up with her. And 298 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: I asked Jonathan, I said, Jonathan, do don't you think 299 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: that there's enough killings going on? And he had this, um, 300 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,959 Speaker 1: he's it's been enough. People have died through all this 301 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: and he put the loji sign. That's like hmm, let's 302 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: see and now Emily did tonight Take a listen to 303 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: what Emily Glass says from her jail cell before she 304 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: was let Scott free. Can you tell me any more 305 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: about what happened that Saturday when he disappeared? Just the 306 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: fact that it took a shower and since we took 307 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: it up like we always do, I'm putting down for 308 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: a movie and it's cool because you know, yeah, back 309 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 1: to this, please sleep. So that was why he had 310 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: a qualrified oh when he had fallen a sleep after 311 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: my shower, which is why I went down. Mm hmm, 312 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: now I gotta go. You are hearing Emily Glass as 313 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 1: she is speaking with Kate W. C H. Devin Fastbender, 314 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: and at no time does she mention anyone else in 315 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: the home as a matter of fact, through out uh 316 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 1: questions um explanations. The homeless man she now points to 317 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: being there emerged later. For ninety days plus search teams, 318 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: a t v S, dogs, helicopters, volunteers look for the boy. 319 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 1: It's only when private investigator Marshburn gets the stepmother in 320 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 1: the car. They drive for four to five hours until 321 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 1: she leads him to Lucas's dead body. In the last hours, 322 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: Emily Glass found shot Lucas's father, discovers her body and 323 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 1: calls nine one one with me. Two of Emily's dear friends, 324 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 1: Jamie Howell and Sherry Eberhart to Susan Constantine, author of 325 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: Idiot's Guide to Reading Body Language on Amazon. Susan, you 326 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 1: have carefully combed over every single statement given by Emily Glass. 327 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 1: Explain Yeah, when I did, Nancy is I conducted statement 328 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:06,199 Speaker 1: analysis on every single one of the statements and looking 329 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: for areas that we're connecting or disconnecting. And overall, when 330 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: I reading through there, there are several areas that just 331 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: didn't make sense. They were incongruent to what she was saying. 332 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 1: There's lots of filler words, additional words that were not there. 333 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: And you have to understand that with statement analysis, the 334 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: writer or the speaker chooses subconsciously every single word that 335 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: they put down and what they say, So every word 336 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: is examined on its own and then why is it there? 337 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: For example, when we're looking at the one you were 338 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: just talking about that they took a shower, um like 339 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: he always dust, making it sound as if this is 340 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: something that's routine. I put him down for a movie. 341 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: Now here's the other information in his pull up. Now 342 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: that part really doesn't really fit, does it. But there's 343 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: a reason why Emily put that in there. And then 344 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 1: she says, you know he has accident, all right, So 345 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: no one asked her that question. She put that in there, 346 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 1: so that's why we had pull up on him. So 347 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 1: when I'm reading that, that's clear to me that saying 348 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: that somewhat reason why he ended up abused is somewhere 349 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: around the reason why he had accidents, And I see 350 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,959 Speaker 1: what you mean. Let me ask to the friends Jamie 351 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: Howell and Shelley Ever heard people had noticed that Lucas 352 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 1: was covered in bruises in the past. What do you, 353 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: if anything, do you know about that. Did Emily ever 354 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: explain that the bruises? Okay, this is what we've been told, 355 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: and not just by Emily but by family, because Emily 356 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: was pretty much the provider, and um not financially because 357 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: she didn't work. Jonathan did. But as far as taking 358 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 1: care of Emily, my own mom wasn't, which was Jamie 359 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,360 Speaker 1: was now in the pictures, not allowed to see him 360 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 1: unless it was supervised. So Jamie or Emily had him 361 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: all the time him. She took him to school, she 362 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 1: got him home from school, she took him to the 363 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: doctor's appointment, she got him home, she dressed him very well. Um, 364 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: there was several times that we were told that Jonathan 365 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: went on the attacked mode of hurting his own child 366 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: and Jamie or Emily would have to pull him off, 367 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: and then Jamie or than Emily would get beat But 368 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:32,679 Speaker 1: there's lots though. There's also a situation going on right 369 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: now where Jonathan attacked one of James or one of 370 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: Emily's biological sons and he's being charged for it right 371 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: now in Sedgwick County Court. Fancy this is Ashley. Could 372 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: I jump in because there's something really important I think 373 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: that all listeners need to understand about one of the 374 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 1: statements just made when when she stated that Emily took 375 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: him to the doctor a dressed him. Well, here's the 376 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 1: problem in our society as a whole. People tend to 377 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,400 Speaker 1: leave that. That means those people that dressed their children well, 378 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: take him to the doctor, take care of them, take 379 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: them out to dinner, feed them, don't abuse or neglect 380 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,239 Speaker 1: their children, And that's absolutely false statistically, and I do 381 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 1: not want people to continue to have a perception and 382 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 1: belief that just because a parent or a person who's 383 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: a caretaker takes the child to the doctor and dresses 384 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: him well necessarily means they're not capable of abuse or neglect, 385 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 1: because it does not mean that. I want to follow 386 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 1: up as she Willcott with child crime watch dot Com 387 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: and juvenile Judge Lee Egan with me, investigative reporter with 388 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com. Lee, when Lucas's aunt was so 389 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: upset about Lucas being covered in bruises? Didn't those occur 390 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: while the dad, who I think worked with the oil 391 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 1: companies was gone? Yes, they did. I believe what happened 392 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: was he was back in town and he was with 393 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: Emily when they were visiting the aunt and she noticed 394 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: the this then. But supposedly they happened when he was working. 395 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 1: That's why I'm hearing, but there's no confirmation of that. 396 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 1: I want to go back to emily glasses friends, Jamie 397 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 1: Howell and Shelley Eberhart here with us. They say there's 398 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 1: no way the gunshot wound on Emily Glass was self inflicted, 399 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: that she would never have shot herself. Question to you, guys, 400 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: I'm having a hard time understanding. Um. Emily Glass, as 401 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,360 Speaker 1: you say, and I think you're correct, had Lucas all 402 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: the time, as you say, all the time, she did. 403 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: So if she has him all the time, she's not 404 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: responsible for all those bruises if she's got him all 405 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: the time. And did she report the abuse? Did she 406 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 1: take him to the doctor about the abuse? She apparently 407 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: kept her own child in the home with the father 408 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: even after she sees him according to her beating the child. 409 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:07,120 Speaker 1: I mean, if my husband beat my children one time, 410 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: it would be a miracle if he walked out of 411 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:11,880 Speaker 1: this house a lot. But I tell you another thing, 412 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 1: he would never have a second chance. There would never 413 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: be another chance to beat the children. That would not happen. 414 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 1: So you're telling me that she brought a homeless man 415 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: into the home, that she then takes a shower and 416 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: a nap and leaves the children with a homeless man, 417 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: wakes up, the boy is gone, does not tell police 418 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 1: about the homeless man, lets a search go on for 419 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: all this time, leads the investigator to the body. But 420 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,199 Speaker 1: you don't think she had anything to do with his death. No, 421 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: I do not. What do you think happened to him? Uh? 422 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 1: I don't even know how to really go into sustaining 423 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: what I think happened to him, because I think that 424 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: there's a lot more people involved in this than just 425 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 1: two or three people involved in the little boy's death. 426 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 1: How could that be? She was the only one that 427 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: we know of in the home that she wasn't That's 428 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: that's what That's what you're okay, So let's just led 429 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: to believe by Jonathan or whatever. But Jonathan, them all 430 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: knew this homeless man. They all knew this homeless sin. 431 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: They've all set up, They've all set up for him, 432 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: Alan Duke, we have combed over the police reports and 433 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: the investigative reports, so we've been able to get is 434 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: there any indication that police believe anyone was in the 435 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: home other than Emily Glass when Lucas disappears. I'm not 436 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: aware of any and maybe Lee Egan can verify that. 437 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: You are you have been on the scene at the jailhouse. 438 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: What are you learning was there the police believe somebody 439 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: was in the home other than Emily Glass, who has 440 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: now been shot at the time Lucas goes missing. No, 441 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: they do not, at least from what they're telling us. 442 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: The only person of interest from what law enforcement has said, 443 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: is Emily Glass. But according to Shamie Howell and Shelley Eberhart, 444 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: there was a homeless guy in the home that she 445 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: Emily felt so comfortable with that she went to sleep 446 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: for three hours, leaving the children with a homeless guy. Well, 447 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: the homeless man was in the house. The problem is, 448 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: we're not sure what day he was in the house. 449 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: He did he spoke to detectives, We're not sure what 450 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: he said because they're not telling us, and shortly after 451 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: he was killed, So we're not sure when or why 452 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: he was in the home. Is there any indication he 453 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: was there when Luce Lucas went missing? Do you think 454 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 1: it had anything to do with Emily Glass's use of 455 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: metha and fhetamine? Yes? In other words, was that her 456 00:29:55,040 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: dope body? Probably? The plot seemingly thickens and now the 457 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: culmination of the search and discovery Lucas's body, as Emily 458 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: Glass has been found shot found by Lucas's father, Jonathan Hernandez, 459 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: who calls nine one one. Maybe the people that have 460 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,959 Speaker 1: more insight than any of us. Are Emily's friends, Shelley 461 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 1: Eberhard and Shane Howell. Guys, thank you for being with us. 462 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: You say that so many people were involved with Lucas's death, 463 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: It's really hard for me to believe. And I'll tell 464 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: you why. And I'm not saying I'm not wrong. People 465 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: cannot keep their yapp shut when there's a conspiracy or 466 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: there are several people involved in wrongdoing, somebody always blabs. 467 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: It's just you know, even in Watergate with the Okay, 468 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: who do you believe are the people involved? And why 469 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: would they cover up the death of a little boy? Okay, 470 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: I believe that um uh Jenny was in something called wick. 471 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: They're in something called wick. Have you ever heard of it? Yes? 472 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: I have heard of wicka the a name for witchcraft. 473 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: You now think that this is part of a witchcraft plot? 474 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: I sure do, Yes, I do. And I believe that's 475 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 1: why everybody else that's telling their story is coming up dead. 476 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: I have been shot at, I have been ran off 477 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: the road, and that's a warning to me. That's just 478 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 1: a warning. I have been I have Facebook messages that 479 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,479 Speaker 1: are warning me to back off. That's just a warning, 480 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: They say, why would you believe this has anything to 481 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: do with wicker because that's what they were into. Who 482 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: is they, Jonathan Jamie? Jamie's got the lens on the 483 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: back of her car, which is a bio. Mom, is 484 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: to you sacrifice your firstborn child, your birth firstborn son? Well, 485 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 1: you were close friends with Emily Did she try to 486 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: recruit you to Wicka? Oh? No, no, no, no, I wouldn't. 487 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm a very I believe in God. I 488 00:31:54,400 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: don't believe in anybody else but God. But then did 489 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: Emily Glass discussed Wicka with you? No, she discussed it 490 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: with a friend of ours. But but you were close 491 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: to her. If she was in Wicka? Whatever what? I 492 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: freaked out? I don't want to hear anything about it. Okay, 493 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: right now, this is what we know. Emily Glass has 494 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: been shot. The father of Lucas Hernandez. Call nine one one. 495 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 1: I'm just sorry. I'm so sorry for everyone's to fucking Hill's. Okay, 496 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: don't think you can do if her hair is moving forward? 497 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: And where's them? I didn't get so wrong. I didn't wrong, 498 00:32:55,720 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: got honest. That is Emily Glass telling private I David 499 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: Marshburn that she quote did Lucas wrong? This is as 500 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 1: they are finding the child's dead body, and that's what 501 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: we're losing sight of right now with all the discussion 502 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: of a conspiracy and a homeless guy on WICKA bottom line, 503 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: Emily Glass was in the home at the time the 504 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: talk goes missing. Emily Glass led police, excuse me, lad 505 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: a private eye to the body in an obscure location. 506 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: Emily Glass in the last hours has been shot. I 507 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 1: want to go to Joseph Scott Morgan forensics expert, Professor 508 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: of forensics at Jacksonville State University, Joe Scott Right now, 509 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 1: it's all going to Hinge on a post mortem. What 510 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: will they be looking forward to determine was this a 511 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: suicide or a homicide? Well, she's been shot, Nancy. They're 512 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: gonna be the first thing they're gonna be looking for 513 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: is evidence on the body relative to range of fire. 514 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: If this was, say, for instance, a shooting at a 515 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: distance that would lean or list more towards, for instance, 516 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 1: a homicide that some money was facing her or back 517 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: of her, whatever the attitude was, and fired into her 518 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 1: one thing at a time, one thing at a time. Distance. 519 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: You're right, they're gonna look to see if this if 520 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 1: the bullet wound was at close range. If it were 521 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,800 Speaker 1: at close range, that could suggest suicide. Not necessarily. A 522 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 1: perp can hold a gun to her head or her 523 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,399 Speaker 1: body and shoot her a close range. But if it's 524 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,719 Speaker 1: not at close range, i e. Further than thirty six 525 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: inches away, you will not get any gunshot residue. Right 526 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 1: But within that, uh well, I like to I like 527 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: to pare it down to about twenty two inches out, 528 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 1: and in that you're going to get some kind of disposition, 529 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 1: that is the distribution of unburned gunpowder on the body 530 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,879 Speaker 1: at that distance. Now one of the things they're gonna 531 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: be looking for. Slow down, slow down, got me drinking 532 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,800 Speaker 1: out of fire? Hydright here, I've got u. Joseph Scott Morgan, 533 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 1: renowned forensics expert jose Scott The point, and that is, 534 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,320 Speaker 1: if it is close range, maybe she shot herself. Maybe 535 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 1: somebody else shot her. If it's not close range, then 536 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,320 Speaker 1: somebody else definitely shot her, because you can only hold 537 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,720 Speaker 1: a gun x inches away from yourself and shoot yourself. 538 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: So if it's beyond say two ft, somebody else shot her. 539 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 1: How do we know if it's beyond two ft you 540 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 1: don't have gunshot residue invisible to the naked eye. When 541 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: the gun is discharged, residue comes out of the gun 542 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:35,319 Speaker 1: and sprays to about thirty six inches max. So if 543 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: there's no gunshot residue on her body, then she did 544 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: not shoot herself. Next, yeah, and uh, we have to 545 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: think about you know, one of the things they're gonna 546 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: look at obviously is her arm length. You know, how 547 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,839 Speaker 1: how far away is she capable of holding this? This 548 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: way my experience, in my experience, the line's share of 549 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: cases involving suicides are going to involve what we refer 550 00:35:56,080 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: to as hard contact or press contact gunshot wounds. The 551 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: most common area is going to be to the head, 552 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 1: and that means that the weapon would be tightly pressed 553 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 1: to the head some locational head, more than likely the 554 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,280 Speaker 1: temple that's generally where people do it, or in the mouth. 555 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 1: And then okay, now to me, we're rehashing. I'll tell 556 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: you why. If it's a contact when you're not only 557 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 1: gonna have gunshot residue, you're gonna have searing, in other words, 558 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 1: a little bit of a burn around the bullet entry, 559 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 1: around the gun barrel itself, on the head it's hard 560 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 1: to find, but it's easy to find if you're trained professional. 561 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 1: Long story short, if there's burning or searing, it could 562 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 1: be a suicide. It could still be a homicide. I'm 563 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: beyond that. I'm to the next thing, Joe Scott. What 564 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,760 Speaker 1: I'm saying is, if the shot was beyond thirty six inches, 565 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 1: she did not kill herself. So if there's no residue 566 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 1: on her body, then it was not thirty six inches. 567 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 1: I'm past the contact wound. I'm past. Now we're gonna 568 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:09,880 Speaker 1: be looking at angle, angle entry, angle exit and entry. Explain, 569 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 1: what you're gonna be talking about is if say, for instance, 570 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,760 Speaker 1: a perpetrator withstanding above her or at her same level, 571 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,319 Speaker 1: the angle of entry what and that gives you an 572 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,800 Speaker 1: idea of attitude and relationship between the victim and the shooter. 573 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,439 Speaker 1: And so we moved beyond distance. We're talking about angle 574 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,720 Speaker 1: of deflection. Now, let's say, for instance, you've got somebody 575 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,279 Speaker 1: down on the floor, all right, and they're begging for 576 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 1: their life. That angle is going to be completely different. 577 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 1: If we're standing at eye level and you pull a 578 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,440 Speaker 1: weapon and you shoot them in the chest or the 579 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 1: face or wherever it is that you shoot them So 580 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: that's gonna give you an idea. Remember, we can't go 581 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 1: back to the scene in question the victim. It's gonna 582 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 1: give you an idea of the dynamic that was going 583 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,799 Speaker 1: on in that environment. You know, what was going on 584 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,319 Speaker 1: at that particular time and where were they relative to 585 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,400 Speaker 1: position in the in the dwelling in this particular case, 586 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 1: if she is in the dwelling, I still don't know completely. Well, 587 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: let's go to her friends joining me. Uh, Miss Howell 588 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 1: and Miss ever Heart. What are you learning about the 589 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:12,360 Speaker 1: circumstances surrounding Emily's gunshot wound? What room was she and 590 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,920 Speaker 1: was she on the floor? Was she in the bedroom 591 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 1: on the bed? What do we know? We were not 592 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 1: told we were not allowed to get close to the house. 593 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,320 Speaker 1: You think the front rooms? I believe it from room. 594 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 1: I believe there might have been some kind of struggle 595 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:30,399 Speaker 1: between the front room and maybe the back door. What's 596 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 1: the front room? Is that a living room or a bedroom? 597 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,799 Speaker 1: What is it living room? But there is question is 598 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,840 Speaker 1: this the same home you're talking about where Lucas was 599 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:45,359 Speaker 1: last seen alive? Yes, And I do know that since 600 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 1: Lucas has passed or have been cameras hid in the home. 601 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,880 Speaker 1: So I don't know if Jonathan is aware of these cameras, 602 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,239 Speaker 1: but I think the witch Shot police department should be 603 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 1: made aware of them. And you know what's interesting, We 604 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,279 Speaker 1: were told that for about a week before Lucas was 605 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:07,279 Speaker 1: reported missing, nobody had seen him. He was absent from 606 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 1: school on no one called. He was sick with the flu. 607 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,799 Speaker 1: Did you see him? Um, No, I didn't. But his 608 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 1: aunt which I spoke to from you at all, she 609 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: said he was sick with the flu and he was 610 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:27,840 Speaker 1: put on bo friends to the kept hugan. So did 611 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:32,520 Speaker 1: anybody see Lucas because the school was apparently never called, 612 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 1: and they did not. They were trying to call Emily Glass, 613 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,120 Speaker 1: but she would never call back. Why Lucas had been 614 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,799 Speaker 1: out of school for over a week. I believe the 615 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:47,880 Speaker 1: one that did see him on the fourteenth February was 616 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 1: his bio mom, and she picked him up for Valentine's 617 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,360 Speaker 1: Day and went and got him a gift and brought 618 00:39:54,440 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 1: him back February. Yes, suppose she supposedly she brought him 619 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 1: back the fourteen is where are you learning this? Because 620 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,920 Speaker 1: there is a theory that he was dead by the eleventh. No, 621 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,759 Speaker 1: we were told by Emily had told her grandmother and 622 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,919 Speaker 1: her aunt that she was going to be introled by 623 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,920 Speaker 1: Jonathan because she let Emily or she let Jamie know 624 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,080 Speaker 1: where she lives, and she was not supposed to do 625 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 1: that because they had already moved away from one place 626 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,920 Speaker 1: because Jamie was badgering them. So they had moved away, 627 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 1: and they moved into this new house. And okay, wait 628 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 1: a minute, well hold on, let me understand what you're saying. 629 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,520 Speaker 1: If they had moved away to a secret location away 630 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,919 Speaker 1: from the bio mom, then how could the bio mom 631 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,959 Speaker 1: have left all those bruises on the boy. The bio didn't. 632 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,799 Speaker 1: Maybe the bruises on them on him, the bio dad did. 633 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 1: The real father he was abusive with her, and he 634 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:57,920 Speaker 1: was also abusive with Emily. All Right, she advocate and 635 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,440 Speaker 1: she's been called that they're out called to work with 636 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,279 Speaker 1: them before. Lee Egan, Crime Online dot Com reporter, Late, 637 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,840 Speaker 1: what are you learning about the shooting? What room was 638 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,920 Speaker 1: she and while she clothed? What time? Anything you can 639 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 1: tell us at this point. Nothing. I'm looking at a 640 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,120 Speaker 1: live feed from k w c H and it appears 641 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 1: that Jonathan's truck is no longer at the house um 642 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,440 Speaker 1: from the angle I'm seeing, and I did see it 643 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 1: there previously, and I did want to touch on something 644 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,520 Speaker 1: with what one of the ladies just said about the 645 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:31,719 Speaker 1: fourteenth UH. Law enforcement did speak with Jamie and she 646 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,759 Speaker 1: told them that the last time she saw Lucas was 647 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,799 Speaker 1: in December celebrating his birthday, and she had not seen 648 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 1: him in mutts mm hmm. That's an untrue statement because 649 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,800 Speaker 1: just two or three weeks prior to that, she showed 650 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,080 Speaker 1: up the beet Dolementary and tried to physically have a 651 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,840 Speaker 1: fight with it with Emily. She showed up at the 652 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,879 Speaker 1: boys school. I think that she's correct. I think that 653 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,440 Speaker 1: that did happen. What either shouldn't miss Howard and Shelley 654 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,880 Speaker 1: Amber Harder saying, I think that confrontation did happen, but 655 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,799 Speaker 1: still she was not with the boy. She was not 656 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:10,440 Speaker 1: with Lucas. The bio mom had an altercation with Emily Glass, 657 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,759 Speaker 1: but she did not get Lucas. To my understanding, the 658 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 1: last time, according to police, the bio mom had Lucas 659 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:23,120 Speaker 1: was back in December at his birthday. Ashley Walcott joining 660 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:27,120 Speaker 1: in Juvenile Judge found her child Crime watch dot Com. 661 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:31,520 Speaker 1: Ashley in a scenario like this, nobody's a suspect. Everybody's 662 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,640 Speaker 1: a suspect because there's so many high emotions. But I 663 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,000 Speaker 1: always go back to what we know as to who 664 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 1: was in the home at the time the boy goes 665 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:44,800 Speaker 1: missing and who led Marshburn to the body. Absolutely so, 666 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,600 Speaker 1: and Nancy. One of the things I've always said in 667 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 1: this case is she either did it, Emily, either killed 668 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,080 Speaker 1: this child or she knows exactly what happened to this child, 669 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,200 Speaker 1: and who is in the home goes directly to that point. 670 00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,239 Speaker 1: The other thing I want to say is it's really 671 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,520 Speaker 1: splitting hairs to say she didn't kill this child, but 672 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,920 Speaker 1: she wasn't comfortable, she was afraid, she didn't tell anybody 673 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,239 Speaker 1: what happened or who was involved. That's the same thing. 674 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:14,920 Speaker 1: If you know that a child is a victim of abuse, neglect, murder, 675 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:19,120 Speaker 1: and you choose not to report it and tell everything 676 00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,000 Speaker 1: that happened and the truth around what happened, it's just 677 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,759 Speaker 1: as bad as if you killed the child yourself. And 678 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,359 Speaker 1: in this particular case, I think that's what's happened. Well, 679 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,680 Speaker 1: what the friends are doing here is they are struggling 680 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,600 Speaker 1: with the evidence, and they're struggling about what happened to 681 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:42,400 Speaker 1: Emily Glass. They're her friends. They are defending her because 682 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,080 Speaker 1: they know her in a way that we don't, and 683 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,319 Speaker 1: it's very hard to believe for them. I'm sure that 684 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,840 Speaker 1: she may have had something to do with Lucas's death 685 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,240 Speaker 1: or disappearance, And for all I know, they have evidence 686 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,960 Speaker 1: that I don't have. So I'm very intrigued about what 687 00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,759 Speaker 1: they're say. Agree with you, and I think there's a 688 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,080 Speaker 1: lot of evidence to be there that needs to be 689 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,160 Speaker 1: shared with law enforcement and Price so it can be investigated. 690 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,759 Speaker 1: But I'm still gonna stand by what we all have 691 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,560 Speaker 1: to keep in mind. It's all good evidence, but anything 692 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:16,600 Speaker 1: that Emily has told them happened without some collaboration. Outside 693 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,279 Speaker 1: of that, hold on just one moment. I hear that 694 00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:25,120 Speaker 1: Susan Constantine, psychologist and author, wants in Susan, you have 695 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:30,879 Speaker 1: sifted through everything Emily Glass has said, what are your thoughts? Yeah? 696 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,640 Speaker 1: You know. The last statement is probably the most telling, 697 00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,520 Speaker 1: where she says I did Lucas so wrong. I did 698 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,000 Speaker 1: him wrong. Will you notice that her voice intensifies and 699 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,960 Speaker 1: the word I she's taking ownership. There was not we 700 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,880 Speaker 1: or us, So it shows one person did is the 701 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:53,200 Speaker 1: word of the act I did Lucas was the victim 702 00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,400 Speaker 1: and the words so it's like saying I am so 703 00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,960 Speaker 1: happy to see you or I'm so upset. So is 704 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,239 Speaker 1: a word that is something that happens over time. And 705 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,759 Speaker 1: then she uses the word wrong. Wrong is connected to 706 00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,160 Speaker 1: the abuse. Something happened that created that. So when we 707 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,840 Speaker 1: look at it as I did Lucas so wrong, it 708 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,200 Speaker 1: is she takes ownership of the act. The victim is Lucas. 709 00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,600 Speaker 1: She did it over time, and the act was abused. 710 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,520 Speaker 1: And then she says right after that, I feel so 711 00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,880 Speaker 1: sorry for him. When she says Phil, she's talking about 712 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,200 Speaker 1: in present tense. Her voice and her words show remorse, 713 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,600 Speaker 1: so you can sense that she's feeling remorseful at this 714 00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,480 Speaker 1: point in time. But then she says, Glass said she 715 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,080 Speaker 1: put him through hell or through hell, meaning a long 716 00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,360 Speaker 1: duration of abuse. And then she gives you an affirmation 717 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,080 Speaker 1: this is the God's honest truth. Well, I want to 718 00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:48,040 Speaker 1: just talk common sense for one moment. Common sense, Okay, 719 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,760 Speaker 1: help me out with this. Anybody that wants in alan, 720 00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,799 Speaker 1: if a child you and are both parents, if a 721 00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:00,399 Speaker 1: child is missing and you don't know where they are 722 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,160 Speaker 1: and you don't know what's happened to them, and you 723 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:07,080 Speaker 1: had some stranger in your home, and wouldn't the first 724 00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:11,200 Speaker 1: thing you say, I had that piece of crap, Alan 725 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:15,239 Speaker 1: Duke in my home, and now my baby's missing. Go 726 00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:20,040 Speaker 1: find Alan Duke. We gotta find Lucas, he may know. 727 00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:25,719 Speaker 1: Instead of sitting on your thumb, Alan, I mean, if 728 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:29,239 Speaker 1: you don't know that Lucas is dead unless you know 729 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:33,399 Speaker 1: where he is, why wouldn't you track the homeless guy 730 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:37,839 Speaker 1: down yourself and go lead me to Lucas you were 731 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:42,000 Speaker 1: with my boy? Where is he? Or I will kill you? 732 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,600 Speaker 1: I mean, that never happened, and I can't imagine any 733 00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:49,680 Speaker 1: other response. I can't imagine just being quiet when you 734 00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,520 Speaker 1: know that child is under a bridge. So explained to me. 735 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,800 Speaker 1: Back to Miss Eberhart and Miss Howell. See, I think 736 00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:01,319 Speaker 1: Emily Glass is the key to what happened to Lucas. 737 00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,520 Speaker 1: You disagree. You may know more than me, But why 738 00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:08,279 Speaker 1: would she she didn't already know Lucas was dead. Why 739 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,360 Speaker 1: wouldn't she have police out that night? You said she 740 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,600 Speaker 1: told her husband not police. Why weren't they looking for 741 00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,640 Speaker 1: him to find out where Lucas was? Could have saved 742 00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,120 Speaker 1: his life and the police for contact at first, then 743 00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:23,000 Speaker 1: her husband came in from the Mexico and then I 744 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,760 Speaker 1: know that. But you said she only told her husband 745 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,960 Speaker 1: about an homeless guy in the home that night. Well, 746 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,239 Speaker 1: I don't really know how the police found out, because 747 00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,040 Speaker 1: they did find out because they could be them in 748 00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:39,040 Speaker 1: into custody, So somehow they did know. Was it was 749 00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,279 Speaker 1: the lead that they got or what they what they 750 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,839 Speaker 1: did get, they did get to leave. Why didn't she 751 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:49,800 Speaker 1: tell police that? Not when she reported him missing around 752 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,880 Speaker 1: six o'clock. I told you, I think that she was fighting. 753 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,600 Speaker 1: She had bruises on her fingers, on her knuckles, two 754 00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,799 Speaker 1: black eyes. I do believe there was a going at home. 755 00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:06,080 Speaker 1: Lucas was injured. She was scaring for Mia, sparing for herself. 756 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,960 Speaker 1: She had already seen what whoever these people were did 757 00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:13,600 Speaker 1: to her. She just wanted to wait from so instead 758 00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,520 Speaker 1: of trying to save Lucas's life, I think she never 759 00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,719 Speaker 1: reported any of this. Okay, that's a theory, but this 760 00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,279 Speaker 1: is what I know right now. Emily Glass has been 761 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,000 Speaker 1: shot and we're waiting to find out for the medical 762 00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:29,360 Speaker 1: examiner they cause and manner of death. Nancy Grace Crime 763 00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:37,520 Speaker 1: Stories signing off goodbye, friend. Did you know a recent 764 00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:42,000 Speaker 1: law can leave your personal data exposed online for anybody 765 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,120 Speaker 1: to find. If you've turned on the news lately, you 766 00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,480 Speaker 1: know the Internet has created a dangerous new world. It's 767 00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,160 Speaker 1: time you take back the power by using a new 768 00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:55,160 Speaker 1: website called truth Finder. Have you been issued a speeding ticket, 769 00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,560 Speaker 1: received a lean from the I R S? Did you 770 00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:02,319 Speaker 1: forget about embarrassing social media? A profile? That info may 771 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,839 Speaker 1: already be online. Truth Finder can help you find it. 772 00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:10,320 Speaker 1: Truth Finders searches millions of public records, assembling the data 773 00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,839 Speaker 1: together in one report. Members get unlimited searches, so you 774 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,440 Speaker 1: can also look up those close to you and make 775 00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,200 Speaker 1: sure they're not hiding something. Visit truth finder dot com 776 00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:26,760 Speaker 1: slash Nancy, enter your own name get started. Throughout June, 777 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,200 Speaker 1: Hallmark Movies and Mysteries presents a three part limited series 778 00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,960 Speaker 1: of Hailey Dean Mysteries based on characters from the New 779 00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,000 Speaker 1: York Times best selling books by Nancy Grace. The series 780 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,440 Speaker 1: continues this Sunday, June tenth with Hailey Dean Mysteries, A 781 00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,439 Speaker 1: Marriage Made for Murder. It All starts at nine pm 782 00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,440 Speaker 1: Eastern this Sunday. Grab your popcorn and join Nancy grace 783 00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,680 Speaker 1: for Haley Dean Mysteries, A marriage made for murder on 784 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:50,520 Speaker 1: Hallmark Movies and Mysteries