1 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to Post Run High. I feel like I'm on 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: the podcast and I want to spill all the tea. 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 2: What did you think of our walk? I loved that 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 2: it wasn't to run. Yeah, that was my favorite part 5 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:12,239 Speaker 2: of the walk. I like that. 6 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: I like that. 7 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 3: Are you do you like to run? 8 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: No, like to walk. 9 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 2: I don't like to work out, Okay, I need to 10 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 2: be better at yeah, because like I'm starting to get 11 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 2: older and your body starts to fall apart. 12 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 1: It's like I should be working out. I just don't 13 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:24,959 Speaker 1: want to. 14 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 3: When you were a model, were you working out a lot? 15 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 2: Yes, because I've had to or my agency would literally 16 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 2: drop scary. Yeah. So I was like, well, I either 17 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 2: keep my job and have to work out, or I'm 18 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 2: jobless and I don't have to work out. So I 19 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 2: decided I should probably keep my jobs that I can 20 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 2: afford life. 21 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 3: Let's start with the fact that I was just so 22 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 3: excited to meet you because I was so curious. I 23 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 3: was like, what is her personality like? And I feel 24 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 3: like I knew from your social media that you were 25 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 3: going to be amazing, But tell us by yourself, Like, 26 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 3: how would you describe yourself? 27 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 2: Well, I am a huge nerd, like major nerd. I've 28 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 2: always been a nerd. I'm a weirdo. I love just 29 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 2: like making crazy things and like not caring what other 30 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 2: people think because I spent so many years caring what 31 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 2: other people think in modeling that It's like I eventually 32 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 2: kind of became myself when I was like, you know what, 33 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 2: New York is a playground and like everyone's just living. 34 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 2: We're all just people, So yeah, you can't take it 35 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 2: too seriously exactly, Like the one thing my mom taught 36 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 2: me in life is like it's just not that serious, right, 37 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 2: Like it's just not that serious, so you might as 38 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 2: well have some fun. 39 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 3: Speaking of your mom, yes, can you tell me a 40 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 3: little bit about your childhood? Where did you grow up? 41 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 3: What was it like? 42 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: Minnesota? 43 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: Okay, my parents are divorced now but wonderful, amazing human beings. 44 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 2: My dad is remarried to or teacher, so she's. 45 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: Very like free love. 46 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 2: And then my mom is like opposite ends of the spectrum. 47 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 2: My mom is like mother Teresa. Like I've seen my 48 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 2: mom do no r I've never seen or swear. I'm 49 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 2: not like she is the perfect specimen, and so I 50 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 2: have like her leading me like morally and like my 51 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 2: stepmom leading me like follow your passions and your dreams. 52 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 3: Wait, I'm obsessed with this. Yeah that makes so much sense. 53 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 3: Are you close with your stepmom? 54 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: Close with everyone in my family? Family is like huge 55 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: for me. 56 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 3: I feel like you see that through your content too, 57 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 3: Like you go home a decent bit you and make 58 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 3: content there and a lot of people that you work 59 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 3: with now in the city they're family or friends. 60 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 2: To you, right, Yes, Like I keep my circle small 61 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 2: just because like smart, I love people, but I love 62 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 2: investing my time and people in the right way. So 63 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: it's like if I don't have the time, I feel 64 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 2: bad investing. And so yeah, I have like the same 65 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 2: three best friends I've had my best friends ince Kindergarten. 66 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: I love that. It's still my best friend today. 67 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 68 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, I love my people. 69 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,119 Speaker 3: No, that makes so much sense. I'm honestly the same way. 70 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 3: Like my best friends are just people that I've been 71 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 3: friends with forever, or it's a new friend that I 72 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 3: go super deep with. 73 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah. 74 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 3: Are you a one on one person or a group person? 75 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 1: I like both? 76 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 2: Okay, I think both are. Like so devonn is one 77 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 2: of my best friends. He draws people on the subway 78 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 2: and Devon. I met him when he drew me on 79 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 2: the subway, and it's like, from that. 80 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: Moment, I just knew he was a real one. 81 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 2: I was like, okay, yeah, you don't care about numbers, 82 00:02:58,440 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 2: you don't care about any of that, Like you're just 83 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 2: a person. And we became really close friends. We hung 84 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 2: out a couple times by ourselves, and then I was like, 85 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 2: come meet all my friends. And now he's just like 86 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 2: a big part of my friend group. 87 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: So he's part of the crew. He's part of the crew. 88 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: He holds down the fort. Do you have any siblings. 89 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 2: I do. 90 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, older sister, okay, younger brother, troubled middle child. 91 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 2: Makes sense that I'm in social media, but yeah, younger 92 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 2: brother he's uh, she's what twenty four now, Okay, he'll 93 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 2: always be like five to me in my brain. And 94 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 2: then my older sister, she's got two little girls married. 95 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 3: Oh my god, you're an aunt You're an auntie. 96 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: Oh wait, that is so cute, Auntie Hayley. 97 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 3: So what is it like being in the part of 98 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 3: your life where your sister's having kids. 99 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: It's so cool. 100 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 2: It's like, my sister used to kick my butt, like 101 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 2: all the time when I was growing up, she was 102 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 2: the aggressor. She called herself alpha. She's like, you want 103 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 2: to challenge the alpha? When challenged the alpha, and I 104 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 2: was like, I don't. 105 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: Because you're scary. 106 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 2: And so now watching her like be so kind and 107 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 2: so mother leads to these two girls and I'm like, 108 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 2: but you kicked my ass. 109 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: Yes, what is happening here? 110 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 3: It's so funny, like how it changes as we get older. 111 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 3: And I also love how like relationships get. I mean, 112 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 3: I'm sure you've gotten so close with your sister as 113 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 3: you've gotten older, like I mean always close, but like 114 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 3: the relationship on just gets so good. It's like the 115 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 3: best friend. When you were in school. I know you 116 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 3: were an academic, but you like lived a little bit 117 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 3: of a double life. You're kind of like a little 118 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 3: Hannah Montana but science in math and beauty, right, yeah, 119 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 3: so talk to me about that. 120 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 2: So growing up, I am the daughter of two engineers. 121 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 2: So my parents are mechanical engineers. They met in engineering school. 122 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 2: So academics were always like the number one factor for 123 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 2: me because my parents made sure they were the number 124 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 2: one factor for me. So I always knew i'd go 125 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 2: into something in science. I used to want to be 126 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 2: in meteorology, and then when I realized it's not just 127 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 2: tornadoes and cool stuff, it's like predicting if it's seventy 128 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 2: one or seventy two, I was like, I'm out. And 129 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 2: I did medicine, and so I went to school for 130 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 2: biomedical sciences, psych and a minor and com So. 131 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: You were pre med I was pre mad. 132 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 3: That is so impressive. 133 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, my best friend's a doctor, so she was on 134 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 2: the same path as me. 135 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 1: It's just she actually did it. 136 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 2: And I, obviously, you know, had my path interrupted by 137 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 2: other things in life. But graduated from there, worked in 138 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 2: an immunology lab, worked in the hospital, and then when 139 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 2: I got married to my ex husband, that's where like 140 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 2: my whole life kind of changed. 141 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 3: During high school and in the beginning of college, you 142 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 3: were in pageants a little bit, right, So you were 143 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 3: kind of experimenting with like pageantry a little bit of 144 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 3: the modeling world, right. 145 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 2: Well, so my mom would have never let me become 146 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 2: a model, and I was not cute enough. Like if 147 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 2: y'all have seen my middle school and high school photos, 148 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 2: I was not that cute. 149 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: I wanted to be a model. 150 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 3: But at what point did you become because I know 151 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 3: at eighteen you wont Miss Minnesota was Miss teen Minnesota 152 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 3: without Minnesota, teen USA, Miss Minnesota teen uside okay yep. 153 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 2: So the one thing my mom would let me do 154 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 2: because there was a scholarship element to it, academics were 155 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:47,919 Speaker 2: back to it was pageantry and so it was the 156 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 2: closest thing to modeling for me, where I was, yes, 157 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 2: I can like try something I really want to do, 158 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 2: but I also could win scholarship money so that I 159 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 2: could help pay for school. So my mom was like, okay, 160 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 2: as long as you enter it with like your own 161 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 2: money and you pay the entrance. 162 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,039 Speaker 1: Fee, like, I'll let you do it. 163 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 2: And so I did it one year, actually got in 164 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 2: the top five, which I didn't know what I was doing. 165 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 2: All these girls were like trained from like the moment 166 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 2: they're born, and I was just like, hey, well. 167 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 3: It makes sense because you have like beauty and brains 168 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 3: and a big part of pageantry is asking, like answering 169 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 3: their questions. 170 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: Right, what was the talent that you did on stage? 171 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 3: Girl? 172 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:17,919 Speaker 1: I was in the Miss USA one, I was in 173 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: the No Talent one. I was in the Donald Try 174 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: want to. 175 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 3: Do a performance? 176 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: No? Okay? So what does it walk me through a pagens? 177 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 2: Okay, so pageants are so funny. I was just like, 178 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 2: this is like modeling, it's not like mine. 179 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 3: And at what point did you like come out of 180 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 3: your awkward stage because everybody has an awkward stage okay. 181 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: Called it my geeky goffy stage. 182 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:37,919 Speaker 3: It was it like seventeen, and then eighteen it was 183 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 3: like beautiful pagen. 184 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 2: Seventeen ish Okay, eighteen was like that transition year of 185 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 2: like still one foot in the geeky goky one foot 186 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 2: in the. 187 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: Like trying to be cool. Okay, so cute. It's like 188 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 1: you go. 189 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 2: In, you do preliminaries, you like walk in a gown, 190 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 2: so you basically get to like dress up as a Barbie. Yeah, 191 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 2: that's what I loved. Then you interview, and then you 192 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 2: go to finals. You walk in like a gown. They 193 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 2: used to have sued I think they've changed everything around 194 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 2: now now I think it's athletic where obviously because feminism, 195 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 2: let's freaking go, like thank god, but yeah, it's really 196 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 2: it's cool. And then I got to pay for my 197 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 2: entire college with pageantry. 198 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: I mean that's insane. 199 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 3: And were you doing pagans like, did you continue them 200 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 3: through college? No? 201 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 2: So I just did Miss minnesot Ten USA. Went to 202 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 2: Miss TENUSA, lost so terribly because I didn't know what 203 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 2: I was doing, but won scholarship money. Then wanted to 204 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 2: go back and do Miss USA because you went a 205 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 2: lot bigger of a chunk of scholarship money. So at 206 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 2: twenty one, my sophomore year of college, I did Miss USA. 207 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: It became Miss Minnesota USA. That is so cool. 208 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 3: The crowd, it's so crazy And what was that like? 209 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: Like, what was it like? Winning wild? 210 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 2: It was like I never thought I would win, So 211 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 2: when I did, I treated it like a job. 212 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: It was cool. 213 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 2: It's like you get to volunteer a lot. The volunteer 214 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 2: ament's really cool, right, And you also get to meet 215 00:07:58,920 --> 00:07:59,679 Speaker 2: a lot of women. 216 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: I think that's where it's funny. 217 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 2: When I was younger, it's you're like scared of beautiful 218 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 2: women almost like when I was younger, I was like, oh, 219 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 2: they're cool and I'm not, and like gosh, And I 220 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 2: think pageants made me realize that, Like I love women 221 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 2: so much and I love having women as friends. And 222 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 2: I would have never, I think, done that had I 223 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 2: not been in pageants. I remember going there thinking like 224 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 2: these women are all competing for one thing, right, and 225 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 2: like they're all so pretty and they're all gonna beat me, 226 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 2: and like they're all and so then you meet them 227 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 2: and they're like thinking the exact same thing about you, 228 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 2: and you're like, oh wow, we are all just like 229 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 2: our own worst enemies, right, truly, Like if I didn't 230 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 2: do pageantry and then which then led me to modeling, yeah, 231 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 2: and all like the constructive criticism all that that's involved there, 232 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 2: I don't think I could have ever done social media 233 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 2: like it prepared me so well. 234 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 3: Right, It gave you a taste of what it's like 235 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 3: to have a lot of eyeballs on you. Yeah, in 236 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 3: like a very critical way. Sometimes was your first modeling 237 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 3: gig Sports Illustrated it was. 238 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: That's not my first photo shoot ever. 239 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 2: Besides, like I would do it with my friends you 240 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 2: know that weren't photographers yet, but we're wanting to be 241 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 2: photograph or like obviously for the pageant we had official 242 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 2: photo shoot and we had like but it was still 243 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 2: very pageanty, you know, like a lot of up big hair, 244 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 2: the whole like hair you. 245 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 3: Wear like the teeth things. Oh god, no, yeah, isn't 246 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 3: that a big thing. We showed that used to there 247 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 3: used to be a show on TV that Oh my god, yes, 248 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 3: I was so cute. 249 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 2: I was like, I wanted to do that when I 250 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 2: was a little kid, Like I was the kid that 251 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 2: actually wanted to do that. 252 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: My mom was like, there's no way, no, yeah, I 253 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: get that. My mom wouldn't. 254 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 3: Probably we were like sports like. My mom was like, right, 255 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 3: just like go outside, play with your friends, kind of 256 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 3: like childhood. My mom was like, do your homework right, 257 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 3: So how did you apply? 258 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 2: So it's funny after after I did pageants in college, 259 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 2: then I graduated from college. 260 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 3: I then met my she did be a college graduate. 261 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: I do be a college graduate with that crem that 262 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: four point oh? 263 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 3: Are you kidding me? Yeah? 264 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: That was my one goal graduating. 265 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 2: I love this, to graduate with four point oh, to 266 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 2: prove to my parents that I can do it, and 267 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 2: to prove to my future kids. 268 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 1: One day they didn't like, nobody gets a four point 269 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: oo in college, and I did. 270 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 2: I graduated college and then was planning on medical school. 271 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 2: But I met my ex husband, got married, and then 272 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 2: I entered We decided that I would take a gap 273 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 2: year because he was playing football and so he was 274 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 2: traveling around a lot, and he. 275 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: Was like a professional football player. 276 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 2: Professional football player. I didn't even know that at the 277 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 2: time of meeting. 278 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: Was so cool. 279 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 2: My dad pulled up his Wikipedia page when he came 280 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 2: to picking up for a date for the first date, 281 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 2: and my dad's like, dude, you know who this is. 282 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 1: And I'm like no, and he's like, I'm like, how 283 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: did you guys meet? 284 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 2: We met when I was on a date with one 285 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 2: of his friends, just like an it nerdy guy, one 286 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 2: of my fellow nerds. And the date was going awful 287 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 2: and I didn't want to ditch this man. And then 288 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 2: he was like, my best friend lives down the street. 289 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 2: I'm like, can bite him? So I have somebody else 290 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 2: to talk to? 291 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: And how long were you guys? 292 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 3: Married? 293 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: For seven years? That's a while. 294 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's still one of my closest friends. I love 295 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 2: him to death, one of the best men. He's married 296 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 2: now has a baby. Happy be for him. 297 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: Like, and you guys got married? How old were you twenty? 298 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: Like just turned twenty two? 299 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:05,439 Speaker 2: Wow? 300 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: And how long? Like what was the trae doctor of 301 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: your relationship? You guys? Maybe did you get married right away? Away? 302 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 3: Wow? 303 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: So housed after three months. 304 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. So you were just like, this is my. 305 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 2: Person I'm such a personality person like, and he just 306 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 2: felt like home. I think we both felt like home 307 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,839 Speaker 2: because we were both very similar. We're like very chill, 308 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 2: very like a goofy weird, like we just like understood 309 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 2: each other and so it was easy. And when we 310 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 2: got married, he asked, hey, like, I don't know what 311 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 2: the process of applying to med school is. Like I 312 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 2: was applying to out of state schools and I didn't 313 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 2: know where it would take me. But he was playing 314 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 2: for the Minnesota Vikings, so he was like, you can 315 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 2: we take a gap year? 316 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: Like is that okay? 317 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 2: Even though he very much wanted me to follow my dream, 318 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 2: it's a huge supporter of that. Yeah, And so I agreed. 319 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 2: I was like absolutely. And during that gap year is 320 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 2: when I submitted to Sports Illustrated swimsuit held an open 321 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 2: casting call on Instagram. 322 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 1: It all comes back to meta, I swear to God, 323 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: thank you God. 324 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 3: I was the first of its kind. 325 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 1: Right, first of its kind. They'd never done one. 326 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 2: Sports Illustrated was always something I looked up to, obviously, 327 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 2: just like legendary women that like own their bodies and 328 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 2: love who they are, and so I submitted a video 329 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 2: of me like in pajamas, sitting on a bed, just 330 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 2: like this is why I want to be a part 331 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 2: of Sports Illustrated And I had like fifty Instagram followers 332 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 2: and they found the video and they invited me to 333 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 2: the casting That's amazing. And that started a journey of 334 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 2: like a year long of going to the runway shown Miami, 335 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 2: of shooting for them in Miami, like their swimmer line, 336 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 2: and then eventually making it to the top six and 337 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 2: shooting my spread in Belize and then winning. 338 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,079 Speaker 1: With Camille Costek. 339 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 2: We were co winners of the first ever Sports Illustrated 340 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 2: swimsuit open casting call, and that changed my entire life. 341 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 3: How does it work being a Sports Illustrated model? Like 342 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 3: were you doing other shoots too for other brands as 343 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 3: well or was it maybe you do Sports Illustrated. 344 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: Well know how it all works. 345 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 2: So it's funny because I didn't have an agency, like 346 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 2: I went into an agency. I remember going into an 347 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 2: agency when I was seventeen in Minnesota and brought in 348 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 2: like glamour shots from like Malla America that I took 349 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 2: when I was twelve, and they were like, oh, and 350 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,319 Speaker 2: I specifically remember it's a few nine. I like it's 351 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 2: burnt into my memory because I left that place like crying, 352 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 2: just dream shattered. 353 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: And this man takes a look. 354 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:14,959 Speaker 2: He's like, you know, the agent in Minnesota, and he's 355 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 2: taking a look and he's like, so, what else do 356 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 2: you want to do? 357 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:18,319 Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, I. 358 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 2: Really want to be a doctor, Like I really want 359 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 2: to do medicine. And he goes, he closes the book 360 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 2: and he's like, you should probably stick with that, and 361 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:24,079 Speaker 2: I was. 362 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 3: Like, okay, oh my god, scary. 363 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 2: Never went back into a modeling agency until after I 364 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 2: did my Sports Illustrated swimsuit shoot. Yeah, and they actually, 365 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 2: like modeling agencies reach out to Sports Illustrated because they 366 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 2: knew I didn't have an agency, I love to sign 367 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 2: me and so Wilhelmina was my first modeling agency. 368 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: As Sports Illustrates when it was my first modeling shoot, is. 369 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 3: It like nerve wracking being yes, yeah, like oh, terrifying 370 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 3: around you. 371 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: You're like just in your fifty people. 372 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 2: I'm so glad that I did it though, because like 373 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 2: a lot of people don't even realize there are like 374 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 2: fifty people on that set, Like there's a person holding 375 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 2: a fan. There's a person just to like spray you 376 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 2: with water, like just like sprinkle her here, sprinkle her here, 377 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 2: and like it feels so intimate, but there's like fifty 378 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 2: people just like standing there like, oh the light is weird, 379 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 2: let's move. And you're like, you have to be like sexy. 380 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. 381 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: Do they like direct you with your poses? 382 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 2: Yes, they're great, Like I'm the first year I shot 383 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 2: with you say, he's an amazing photographer and he's very vocal, 384 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 2: which is awesome because I did not know what I 385 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 2: was doing. 386 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: Also, also, opening your eyes. 387 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 2: Is impossible, impossible, it's so and they have It's like 388 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 2: you're in the water. You're wearing some shiny bathing suits, 389 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 2: so that's already reflecting. Then they put a reflector in 390 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 2: your face and you're like and then you're trying to 391 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 2: look sexy and then the waves are hitting you. Yeah, 392 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 2: I'm very glad I did it because now I feel 393 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 2: like I can do anything. 394 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 3: I mean actually, like I feel like it gives you 395 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 3: so much confidence to be like I can literally I 396 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 3: can light up. 397 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: Any room, I can do my thing. I'm good. Yeah, 398 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: you're good. Influence or event, no problem. 399 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was half naked on a beach with like 400 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 2: a scrim in my face and fifty people watching. Yes. 401 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 3: Okay, so your modeling crew starts taking off. You're still married? Yes? 402 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 3: And then what ended up happening? You're just your careers 403 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 3: are kind of going in different directions. Yes. 404 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 2: So normally he was playing for the Minnesota Vikings and 405 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 2: then he got to a gap year where he was 406 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 2: a free agent in Minnesota. 407 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: Vikings wanted him, but Carolina Panthers wanted him. 408 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 2: His brother was also a football player playing on the 409 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 2: Carolina Panthers. 410 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: Well, and who am I? 411 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 3: It's giving the Kelsey brothers. It is giving Kelsey brothers. 412 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 2: They played offensive line one position away from each other. 413 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 2: He was a center and my ex husband was a 414 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 2: left tackle. So who was I toever. I never wanted 415 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 2: to move out of Minnesota, but I'm really glad that 416 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 2: Matt was the catalyst for it, because I never would 417 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 2: have left it if it wasn't for him. We moved 418 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 2: to Charlotte, and so I did the back and forth thing. 419 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 2: But then my ex husband really wanted kids. That was 420 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 2: a really important thing to him. He's a little old, 421 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 2: only a few years older than me, but wanted kids. Young, 422 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 2: and so there was always that kind of pull of 423 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 2: like I always wanted to be a doctor, but then 424 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 2: I had this new career and I wanted to explore 425 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 2: it and not yet to have kids because I wanted 426 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 2: to give, Like when I have kids, I want to 427 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 2: make sure that I'm there for them the way that 428 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 2: my mom was for like yeah, us growing up. 429 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: So I wasn't ready yet, but he was. 430 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 2: And so eventually we got to the point where it 431 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 2: was like we have so much love and respect for 432 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 2: each other that we know we weren't the right fit 433 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 2: for like what we wanted. But man, if he needed 434 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 2: me tomorrow to drive out to help him his wife 435 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 2: with anything, I'm there, like the best man in the world. 436 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 2: So we shared a lawyer. When we got divorced, separated 437 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 2: like completely, like. 438 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: The easiest, your worst in the world. 439 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 3: I mean, it makes sense, Like you're so young, and 440 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 3: I feel like people just changed so much in their twenties, 441 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 3: Like I don't know, like I am not the same 442 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 3: person I was at twenty, you know, not the same 443 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 3: person at twenty one, twenty two. As soon as you 444 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 3: hit twenty five, like things just change thirty and it 445 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 3: all gets better than there really different. 446 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: It's like you've got a whole new brains. 447 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 2: So it's really cool though to see him live the 448 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 2: life he always wanted. And I think it's cool on 449 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 2: the flip side for him to see me kind of 450 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 2: live the life I wanted. 451 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: And we both like nod with respect to each other, 452 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: like us see you. Yeah, you're both popping off. I 453 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: love it. 454 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, And Okay, so what are your thoughts on marriage now? 455 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 3: Having been married at such a young age. 456 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 2: I'm really grateful for the experience and I'm so open 457 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 2: to being married one day again. 458 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: Obviously. 459 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 2: I mean, I see my ex husband and he's so 460 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 2: happily married and him and his wife are beautiful and 461 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 2: they have a baby coming, and like. 462 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 1: I want that one day. Right now, I want my career. 463 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: I'm married to my career. 464 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 3: But one day, it's all about divine timing when it's 465 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 3: time for you. 466 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 2: You'll be ready to when I meet the person. Yeah it, 467 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 2: you know, we'll see, we'll see. But I'm very open 468 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 2: to it. 469 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good advice for women out there, because I 470 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 3: feel like in your twenties, everybody at least like I'm 471 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 3: at the age now where it feels like a lot 472 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 3: of my friends feel the pressure to get married and 473 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 3: we'll find your person and settle down. You know who 474 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 3: I love online Bethany Frankel. Yeah, because she keeps it 475 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 3: so real about divorce and like finding your person. 476 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 2: So and it's funny because there's just when you get married, 477 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 2: they're going to pressure you to have kids. And then 478 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 2: when you get to have your first kid, guess what 479 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 2: the next question is when you having your second, And 480 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 2: it's almost like you feel like your life is rushed 481 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 2: along by different people and it's like, no, I want 482 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 2: it to be on like me and my part eirst 483 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 2: timing and ye. 484 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 3: You'd become a huge comedy creator. Talk to me about 485 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 3: how you made the transition and what it's been like. 486 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: Man. 487 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 2: So it's so crazy because I don't talk a lot 488 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 2: about it because I like to keep my page very light. 489 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 2: But I'm trying to talk more about it because I 490 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 2: feel like a lot of people maybe haven't gotten the 491 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 2: chance to get to know me or like my journey 492 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,199 Speaker 2: or whatever you want to call it. But when I 493 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 2: was getting divorced from my ex, it was a tough time, 494 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 2: Like it was really hard. So we in like two thousand, Man, 495 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 2: it's I don't even know dates. Like a few years ago, 496 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 2: right before I started in comedy, we had already planned 497 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,880 Speaker 2: on getting divorced, but then we kind of made one 498 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 2: last ditch effort to see if he could make it work. 499 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 2: And so he was like, I'm going to move. He quit, 500 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 2: he was done playing. He was like, I'm going to 501 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 2: move to New York. I'm gonna come be with you. 502 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 2: He rented the apartment that I currently have that I 503 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 2: could have never afforded on my modeling salary. And he 504 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,719 Speaker 2: was like, let's see if we can start a life 505 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 2: in New York. And I was like, I'm down, Like 506 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 2: I love you, let's see. And so we had three dogs, 507 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 2: and on the way to New York, one of my 508 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 2: dogs died unexpectedly, which is like so awful, and so 509 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 2: that kind of like threw both of us into just 510 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 2: a really bad place in life because she was my 511 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 2: first dog. She's my only dog, yeah, that I grew 512 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 2: up with, like in college. 513 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: Like her name was pooh Bear. Shout out poo bear. 514 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 1: What kind of dog? She's a Miniazzie, little redheaded Miniazzie. 515 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 2: And so when she died unexpectedly, it was kind of 516 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 2: like we just knew. We were like, okay, this is 517 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 2: almost life telling us like we need to go different ways. 518 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 2: And so after that happened, he was like, you can 519 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 2: keep the apartment for the remainder of the lease. 520 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: We'll finish out our divorce. 521 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 2: All live in California, and so then during that time, 522 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 2: I was still modeling but planning a move home to Minnesota. 523 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: I was like budgeting to like rent an apartment. 524 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 2: Near my parents and like, you know, leave this whole 525 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,040 Speaker 2: life behind and start new and go back to medicine. 526 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: And then a month before the lease ended. 527 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 2: Caleb Simpson asked if he could do an apartment to her, 528 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 2: and did an apartment to her and it went massively viral, 529 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 2: and I remember sitting there going, oh, my god, I 530 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 2: have always wanted, like my dream was SNL outside of 531 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 2: being a doctor. 532 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: My god, I can't wait to see you on sl 533 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 1: like hopefully one day I would love. That would be 534 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 1: like the coolest thing ever. 535 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 2: So I was like, I've always wanted to post comedy content. 536 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 2: I know like a lot of people looking at my 537 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 2: page right now, I'm going to just start posting it. 538 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 2: And so I started posting the Billionaire Boyfriend. So I 539 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 2: started posting thank you. I started posting like William Different, 540 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 2: my Dearest William other different, like comedy shorts, and they 541 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 2: did really well. 542 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: And I remember when my lease came up. 543 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 2: I thankfully had some money saved from when I was 544 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 2: a model because my ex husband, God bless him, was like, 545 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 2: I got you. 546 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: I'm not going to put it away. Great guy, well 547 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: an amazing man. 548 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 3: I love your ex husband it truly, I see his 549 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 3: prey and so I was. 550 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 2: I remember being on the phone with my mom, like crying, 551 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 2: freaking out, being like do I do it? Do I 552 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,719 Speaker 2: release this apartment and risk basically my financial security as 553 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,919 Speaker 2: a newly independent woman. And I was like I feel like, 554 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 2: I feel like maybe I can do this. I had 555 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 2: like a gut feeling, and I signed the lease and 556 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 2: Matt thankfully was willing to stay on as like the 557 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 2: sub whatever. 558 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: Amazing. He was like, I'm not bailing you out, but 559 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: like right, I gotta do this. 560 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 561 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 2: And then I started posting every single day, five times 562 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 2: a day on every platform. 563 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 3: And five times a day is so impressive because your 564 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 3: content is so creative, Like how are you coming up 565 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 3: with all of these bits? 566 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: Usually in the uh in the comments section there really 567 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: a lot of ideas. 568 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 2: Okay, oh smart, Yes, if you see a funny video, 569 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 2: go to the comments because they're gonna be even funnier 570 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 2: than the video. Like, all of my videos are nowhere 571 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 2: near as funny as the comments. 572 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 3: And what's an example of like what a comment will say? 573 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 2: People Like there could be a comedy video about like 574 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,479 Speaker 2: you know, spilling sister lore or something late at night 575 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 2: with your older sister, and then you go to the 576 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 2: comments and it's like, this reminds me of the time 577 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 2: that blah blah blah blah blah. Eight more videos. Wait's 578 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 2: people will give you like your followers, Yeah, got your back. 579 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: They really did the best ideas. 580 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 3: They really do. Okay, five times today, so impressive. That's 581 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 3: really good advice for anybody that wants to be a 582 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 3: content creator, right, Like, is that what you would tell 583 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 3: people to do every single day? 584 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: Post multiple times? 585 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 2: Well yeah, or just do what feels right. Like for me, 586 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 2: I was used to working normal jobs, like when I 587 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 2: was married to Matt, before I was a model. 588 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 1: When we were taking that gap. 589 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 2: Year, I worked a wedding shop as a wedding consultant 590 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 2: in Minnesota, so I like helped girls find their wedding dresses. 591 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 2: So I was used to working like normal jobs, like 592 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 2: normal hours. And so when I started to do this 593 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 2: and I quit modeling, and I was like, I'm done 594 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 2: with modeling. I committed eight hours a day a day 595 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 2: to this because it is a job that I wanted 596 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 2: it to be my job. So yeah, I would say, 597 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,719 Speaker 2: just like, don't overthink it. Overthinking kills. 598 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 3: Was comedy always a part of your life? 599 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 2: Yes, Because I was a huge nerd, and so the 600 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 2: only way people would like me or talk to me 601 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 2: was a most funny okay, So that was like my 602 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 2: one thing that I was like, oh, people might want 603 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 2: to be my friend if I'm funny, because I was 604 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 2: kind of like not the coolest kid in the world. 605 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 3: Okay, let's kind of start wrapping it up. I want 606 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 3: to finish by talking about what you're excited about, what 607 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 3: you're working on, what's to come. 608 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: Tell me, well, I love what I do. 609 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 2: Like so many people, I think you, social media is 610 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 2: like a jumping off point into getting into other things 611 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 2: than theater and film and starting businesses. I love social media. 612 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 2: I love it so much. I love everything about it. 613 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 2: It's like mental gymnastics too. 614 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: I love it. 615 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 2: It's truly I could do this for the rest of 616 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 2: my life and love it so much. So really, I 617 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 2: just want to keep getting better learning, like figuring out 618 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 2: what my audience wants for me, like what they want 619 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 2: to see, who they want to see, and like I 620 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 2: just want to. 621 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 1: Be a really freaking good content creator. 622 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 3: You are okay, and you're like the best content You're 623 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,360 Speaker 3: one of the best content creators. 624 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: So I love that social media. It's so fun. Thank 625 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 1: you anything for the nerd Herd. 626 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 2: Yes, So I am starting a So the nerd Herd 627 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 2: is going to be my lounge rear line or my 628 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 2: merch line, I guess, but it's going to be and 629 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 2: we're setting it up as a nonprofit. So I want 630 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 2: all the money going to girls in STEM. So there's 631 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 2: a lot of programs that help inner city schools get 632 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 2: access to STEM equipment and people who know how to 633 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 2: code and engineers and they come in and they teach 634 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 2: school programs after school for girls. 635 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: So I love that. 636 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 3: I was curious what it was going to be, Like yeah, 637 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 3: I was, Yeah, I didn't know what it was. 638 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 2: It was like my pandemic baby, and then unfortunately, during 639 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 2: the pandemic, like a lot of businesses closed and manufacturing 640 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 2: got a little wonky, and so we took a pause, 641 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 2: and then of course every you know, of course everything happened, 642 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 2: and so now we're finally coming back to it. And 643 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 2: it's great because now I have an audience of women, 644 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 2: and so I just want to make it whatever they 645 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 2: want it to be, you know, like I work for them, 646 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 2: so whatever they want, like hopefully though, Like. 647 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 3: I mean, that's the best when your audience can give 648 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 3: you suggestions on what to because I know exactly what 649 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 3: they want perfect. 650 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: It's like, no, it's not a guessing game. Yes, Okay, 651 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: well Hailey, So that's coming out soon, so it's hopefully. 652 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 2: And then I have a skincare thing coming out soon 653 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 2: that I'm really excited about. 654 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 655 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 3: Okay Nerd Herd Lounge rear Line Skincare. You also just 656 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 3: launched a bikini swimsuit panted. 657 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: Yes, it was with Peaky's Swims. 658 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 2: So they're a really great company that sources their fabrics 659 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 2: from like really great places they use like sustainable. 660 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 1: It's all I background check that thing. 661 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 3: Like I love that. Also, it must have been so 662 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 3: cool to do a swimsuit show because it's. 663 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 2: Kind of like it was sick and Okay, I'm a 664 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 2: one piece girl because my mom is like very cool. 665 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: One pieces are so sexy. I love them. 666 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 2: So I wanted to design some like strong one pieces 667 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 2: because it's really hard for me to find them. And 668 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,199 Speaker 2: so I started that line by designing the one pieces 669 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 2: and then of course they were like, Haley, we need 670 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 2: bikinis too, and I was like, okay, fine, and then 671 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 2: I made the bikinis. But it was fun to test 672 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 2: my hand at design. I don't know if I'm good 673 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 2: at you guys tell me. 674 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 3: I think she's good at it so bad. I love 675 00:25:59,400 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 3: one piece. 676 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: We are doing what do you want to be a 677 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 1: part of it? Can you please? We are doing part 678 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: of anything you asked me to be a part of you. 679 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 3: Love you. 680 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 2: Yes, we're doing a photo shoot, no makeup, no retouching. 681 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: I kind of love that. 682 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 2: Whatever your favorite suit is, and it's going to be 683 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 2: all women, women from different walks of life, different ages, 684 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 2: different like my best friend who's a pediatrician is going 685 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 2: to be in it, and then when my friends from Minnesota, 686 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 2: and then we have some content creators. 687 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 1: We have like all walks of life. 688 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 2: So I'd love if you could tell me are story 689 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 2: of like body journey and. 690 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 3: Everything I would I would love that. Thank you so much, 691 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 3: Oh my God. Caribbean on post run high with me, 692 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 3: post walk high b.