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Speaker 2: This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowhert

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Speaker 3: Hello, and welcome to the Herd. It's me Jason McIntyre

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Speaker 3: in for Colin Cowherd, who is yet sitting once again, Boy,

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Speaker 3: nobody travels like Colin Cowherd. I'm joined today by Alex Curry. Alex,

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Speaker 3: how are you feeling. We're on the eve of July

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Speaker 3: fourth here. I love this week. I mean, for growing

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Speaker 3: up for the.

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Speaker 4: July was like my favorite holiday in Manhattan. Beach vibes

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Speaker 4: are immaculate down on the strand and on the beach.

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Speaker 3: Obviously a little different for me this year.

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Speaker 4: Because I'm in the red zone, like anything can happen

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Speaker 4: on but I'm.

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Speaker 3: So so excited for it. I love her Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: we got great sports. Obviously a lot of soccer tonight.

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Speaker 3: We're talking soccer on the show. One of my favorite

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Speaker 3: soccer players of all time, Landon Donovan, joining the show

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Speaker 3: in about forty minutes. Very excited. We have a Lakers

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Speaker 3: insider coming on to talk. I know it hasn't been

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Speaker 3: a great start to free agency. Laker fans, take a

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Speaker 3: deep breath. It's gonna be fine. We're actually gonna start

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Speaker 3: the show ladies and gentlemen with the Lakers. And you know, listen,

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Speaker 3: we are in a hot take society right now. Everybody

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Speaker 3: knows that it's really difficult to cut through. There's so

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Speaker 3: many outlets and medium's TV radio, you got the web,

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Speaker 3: you got social media, YouTube, TikTok. To cut through, you

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Speaker 3: increasingly have to turn up the volume and get a

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Speaker 3: little hot. And folks, I've been seeing some stuff. You know,

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Speaker 3: I love a good hot take, hot take happy hour,

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Speaker 3: but I've been seeing some stuff lately about my main man,

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Speaker 3: Luka Doncic. Then I got to step in. It's time

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Speaker 3: for Jmac to jump in and be like, guys, can

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Speaker 3: we take a deep breath? Can we get some perspective?

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Speaker 3: I know, nuance isn't a thing a lot of people

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Speaker 3: like to do in July. It's either black or white.

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Speaker 3: You love him? You hate him, right, But let's just

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Speaker 3: pump the brakes on the Luka Doncic bashing. And yes,

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Speaker 3: I get it. He's coming off a season where he

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Speaker 3: was injured and he got traded and hey, if the

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Speaker 3: Dallas Mavericks can move off Luca, how good is he?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 3: I mean the guy doesn't play defense, he can't jump,

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Speaker 3: he only had one dunk last season. I mean, Luca,

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Speaker 3: what are we doing? Is he that good? J man?

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Speaker 3: He couldn't get out of the first round with Lebron James.

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Speaker 3: How good is Luca? And you start hearing all this

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Speaker 3: and I'm like, wait a minute, hold on, are we

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Speaker 3: talking about the same Luka Doncic that just thirteen months

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Speaker 3: ago put the Mavericks on his back and led them

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Speaker 3: to the finals. And now we've got hot takes like

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Speaker 3: this not just coming from dopey fans and not just

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Speaker 3: the media, but we're talking about former players and folks.

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Speaker 3: Avery Johnson, a point guard who knows a lot about basketball,

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Speaker 3: was asked who we'd rather have, Cooper Flag or Luka Doncic.

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Speaker 3: Take a listen, man.

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Speaker 5: Give me Cooper Flag. Really Cooper Flag in this team? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Give me Cooper flagg Man you're talking about a team

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Speaker 5: when they're healthy. Got three future Hall of Famers with

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Speaker 5: exciting the Mavericks. Their future is bright, but they have

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Speaker 5: a window when they're healthy if the next two to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't totally disagree with Dallas being good, but

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Speaker 3: Cooper Flag over Luka Doncic. And this is what I'm

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Speaker 3: talking about with society. It's becomes so hot taky that

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Speaker 3: a guy has a down year and we're just writing

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Speaker 3: him off, like I like Cooper Flagg. Do you guys

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Speaker 3: remember I don't know two months ago on the show,

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Speaker 3: one and a half MVPs for Cooper Flag and he

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Speaker 3: way on earth am I taking him over Luka Doncic.

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Speaker 3: Have we forgotten I'm not going to try it out

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Speaker 3: the resume, but have we forgotten that in the last

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Speaker 3: forty years, no player has started their NBA career as

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Speaker 3: good as Luka johnsch not Michael Jordan, not Lebron James,

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Speaker 3: then was First Team All NBA five straight years, First

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Speaker 3: five straight years in starting a year two. Like, that's

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Speaker 3: the kind of talent we're dealing with here. Nobody makes

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Speaker 3: their teammates better in the NBA better than Luka Doncics. Now,

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Speaker 3: that out there. But Luca raises the level of all this. Guys.

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Speaker 3: You remember two years ago Dallas, they had been fighting

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Speaker 3: Jalen Brunson and crew that up. Let's try Porzingis and

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Speaker 3: Kyrie Irving. Oh okay, Okay, so they bring in Kyrie Irving.

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Speaker 3: I remember being I think Live on the Herd when

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Speaker 3: it happened, I was like, oh my gosh, MAVs they're set.

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Speaker 3: They're going to the finals. They missed the playoffs that year. Okay,

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Speaker 3: do you remember how Luka Doncic responded The following year

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Speaker 3: to write off Luca at twenty six and say, well

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Speaker 3: he's not Duncan anymore, he's become a step back artist,

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Speaker 3: that's fine. Do you do you, But here's the reality.

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Speaker 3: Luca went to the finals last year, exhausted, then played

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Speaker 3: in the Olympics, and oh, by the way, then comes

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Speaker 3: the calf injury. Remember on Christmas suffers the calf injury

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Speaker 3: and Luca, wisely, I might add, did not want to

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Speaker 3: in hindsight. You remember when guy on the Pacers had

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Speaker 3: whoaoa Haliburton, sit out, my guy. You don't want them

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Speaker 3: game six. Oh, he's fine, it's fine. Let's not even

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Speaker 3: rehash what happened in game seven. You don't rush back

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Speaker 3: from calf injuries. Nico Harrison wanted to rush Luca back.

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Speaker 3: Lucas said, no, oh, slow your role, man. He took

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Speaker 3: his time, they thought he'd gained weight. They shipped him

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Speaker 3: out of town. I am calling it now. Revenge season

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Speaker 3: is coming for Luka Doncic next year with the Lakers.

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Speaker 3: I don't know who the hell they're gonna have. We

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Speaker 3: let's get to the big soccer matchup tonight USA Guatemala. Yes,

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Speaker 3: will reserve from making any Guatemalan jokes. I don't know

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Speaker 3: all smoke them. I'm calling it now, just like I

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Speaker 3: told Colin three weeks ago, We're gonna be fine in

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Speaker 3: the Gold Cup. And now do you guys remember three

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Speaker 3: weeks ago in the Gold Cup USA, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: isn't getting their stars to play poolisic? I need some rest?

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Speaker 3: Oh no, what does that say? And then so one

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Speaker 3: know about Poachattino, laughing like, well, we don't know about

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Speaker 3: this guy. Everything's been fine now. The bigger issue is

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Speaker 3: con vibe with you In NFL and NBA, right, you

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Speaker 3: They know who's like on the bubble to make the roster.

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Speaker 3: their salary cap situation in the next two years. That

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Speaker 3: bust when it comes to USA Soccer for casuals. Now,

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Speaker 3: you could argue, Hey, it's great that the casuals are

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Speaker 3: Jason to start the show gassing up Luka doncic glazing

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Speaker 3: I'll go three to one, and then that'll lead us

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Speaker 3: into the game against likely Mexico Sunday, what will be

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Speaker 3: a heated game. Mexico has their a team, we don't,

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Speaker 3: excited about Gold Cup is because we're seeing like the backups,

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Speaker 3: Colin likes to make this point, we just don't have depth.

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Speaker 3: We're building depth at the Gold Cup. They've got guys

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Speaker 3: the incumbent, he hasn't looked great internationally because he's not playing.

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Speaker 3: in peak. So, folks, we're seeing depth. We're seeing the

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Speaker 3: get a new coach, you got a new leader. Well

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Speaker 3: there's a new guy to impress. And guess who's got

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Speaker 3: a chance up close and personal to impress him. All

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Speaker 3: the guys playing in the Gold Cup. So you know,

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Speaker 3: Landon Donovan will come on and hopefully echo my sentiments here.

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Speaker 3: But I think this is a good thing. You know,

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Speaker 3: those are fine results, but it's more about the process

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Speaker 3: process can apply to your favorite NFL, your favorite NBA

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Speaker 3: team locally, it's tougher to apply the process to the

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Speaker 3: that's all it comes down to. There's no process. I

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Speaker 3: feel like we're seeing a tremendous process at the Gold Cup.

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Speaker 3: Poachactino is exerting his thoughts and beliefs and his value

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Speaker 3: system on the team and that will then trickle down

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Speaker 3: to the other guys. It's a good thing. Tyler Adams

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Speaker 3: Here's Alexi LALs earlier in the week, also saying very

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Speaker 3: He's still moving, obviously. Everybody very excited. Uh, USA Guatemala

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Speaker 8: You know, a guy Diego Luna young Man broke his

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Speaker 8: So you can pull me off the field, you can

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Speaker 8: carry me off, but I'm not coming out of the game.

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Speaker 8: Next thing, you know, he started every game in the

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Speaker 8: Gold Cup. If there, if the roster was announced tomorrow

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Speaker 8: for the World Cup, he is one hundred percent on

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Speaker 8: it and he came out of nowhere. And so that's

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Speaker 8: what it means to play for your national team. Malik

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Speaker 8: Tilman got kicked all over the field the other night

435
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Speaker 8: and he got up again, and got up again and

436
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Speaker 8: got up again. He missed a penalty in the game,

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Speaker 8: came back and made a penalty in the penalty kick shootout.

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Speaker 8: So they are showing Mauricio Pochettino what it means to

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Speaker 8: play for a national team. And there's no reason why

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Speaker 8: a lot lot of these guys one won't be on

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Speaker 8: the roster and two some of them would start. Now

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Speaker 8: are they all going to be starters? I don't think so,

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Speaker 8: but hopefully it sends a message to the rest of

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Speaker 8: the group that this is what's expected and if you

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Speaker 8: don't do it, you're.

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Speaker 3: Not going to be here. Yeah, all right, I got

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Speaker 3: to ask it. And obviously you know the drama with

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Speaker 3: Polisic and Pochettino. A have you heard from anybody in

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Speaker 3: either camp since the Gold Cup privately? If it's private

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Speaker 3: stuff and you don't want to talk about it, that's fine.

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Speaker 3: But have you heard from anyone in politics camp or Pochattinos? No?

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Speaker 8: No, no, And I've I talked to many people behind

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Speaker 8: the scenes all week. J Mack in US Soccer And

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Speaker 8: the reality right now is.

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Speaker 3: What I just said about Pochettino.

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Speaker 8: He does not have he does not feel any obligation

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Speaker 8: to any player. Now, is Christian polistic more talented than

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Speaker 8: anybody on the current Gold Cup roster. Yes, by a

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Speaker 8: gazillion miles. But when you see when you play for

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Speaker 8: a national team, it doesn't always mean that. If you

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Speaker 8: watch do yourself a favor, go watch Argentina play Columbia

462
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Speaker 8: or Argentina played Brazil. When you watch that game, you

463
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Speaker 8: go there's a lot of soccer being played here. This

464
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Speaker 8: is just a battle, and these are some of the

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Speaker 8: best players in the world, and all the skill and

466
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Speaker 8: all the stuff gets thrown out the window for ninety

467
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Speaker 8: percent of the game and they just battle because that's

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Speaker 8: what it means to play for your country. So I

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Speaker 8: think the message is loud and clear. And I took

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Speaker 8: Christian's credit. I think when he shows up and plays,

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Speaker 8: he does play that way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Now some of the other guys on the roster haven't,

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Speaker 8: and I think the message is becoming clear from Poachatino

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Speaker 8: you either do this or you're not playing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like that was a shot at gill Reno.

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Speaker 3: But I'm just going to side Sam. It's we'll wrap

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Speaker 3: up with this.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 3: Freeze obviously was the hero in the PKS. Turner's kind

481
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Speaker 3: of been buried on the bench with his club team.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, do you think Freeze past them or

483
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Speaker 3: is it too early to tell? I want to separate.

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Speaker 8: You know, people get excited in moments, right, Yes, you

485
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Speaker 8: know it'd be like if a guy gets fouled for

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Speaker 8: a three pointer and makes three free throws to win

487
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Speaker 8: the game. You wouldn't necessarily then say, oh, well, he's

488
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Speaker 8: the best player throughout the game, right because he made

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Speaker 8: those free three free throws. Matt Freeze is excellent clearly

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Speaker 8: at penalty kicks, and I will just say, let's say

491
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Speaker 8: he's not one of the best three goalkeepers. Generally, you

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Speaker 8: take three goalkeepers to the World Cup, there is every

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Speaker 8: opportunity that Poachatino says, you know what, I'm gonna take

494
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Speaker 8: him even as my third, even though he's not the best,

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Speaker 8: because we might get into a situation in a knockout

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Speaker 8: stage where we need to take penalty kicks, and I

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Speaker 8: could absolutely see that happen. Now, aside from that, I

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Speaker 8: think he's been okay. I don't think he is a

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Speaker 8: better goalkeeper than Matt Turner. But I talked earlier, you

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Speaker 8: leave that door open. You're Matt Turner and you didn't

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Speaker 8: play a lot of club soccer. The last year you

502
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Speaker 8: left the door open and someone said, bang, I'm kicking

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Speaker 8: that thing down and I'm coming in.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he has Landed Donovan, Fox Sports soccer analyst,

505
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Speaker 3: a legend on the pitch and off of it. Great stuff. Landon,

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Speaker 3: thanks a lot, and I appreciate you guys. Yeah, thank you,

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Speaker 3: all right, Landed Donovan really want listen. He's saying a

508
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Speaker 3: lot of stuff and you need to listen because I'm

509
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Speaker 3: sure he talks to everybody in USA soccer. He's probably

510
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Speaker 3: not saying everything. Alex you know soccer. Well, I think

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Speaker 3: based on some of the stuff Landon Donovan saying, uh,

512
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Speaker 3: you know, if you passed on this Gold Cup, you

513
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Speaker 3: may have not Polisic, but some of the other guys.

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Speaker 3: You want to be here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what this new coaching regime is about.

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Speaker 3: Show me that you want to be here. Yeah, oh boy, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's exciting.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noon Easter not a Empacific.

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Speaker 3: Our number two here on the Herd, Jason McIntyre in

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Speaker 3: for Colin Cowherd Jet setting. I don't worry Ebisa, is

522
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Speaker 3: that where he is right now?

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Speaker 4: I have no idea. You tell me, I love Abisa.

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Speaker 4: I haven't been a wee honeymoon in Aviisa.

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Speaker 3: What a late Alex Curry joining me. We got Jovon

526
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Speaker 3: Bouja coming up in I don't know five minutes. Listen,

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Speaker 3: Lakers fans are like on the edge, Alex, right now,

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Speaker 3: they're on.

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Speaker 4: We're okay, okay. I'm not as concerned, I think as

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Speaker 4: everybody else.

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Speaker 3: As we talked about last hour.

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Speaker 4: Lebron knows how to get the conversation going.

533
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Speaker 3: This is what he does. What does his hat say?

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Speaker 3: Welcome home? Welcome home. Yeah, it's a message, but he

535
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Speaker 3: is back home. I thought he's might be in Ohio

536
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Speaker 3: with Lebron, like hanging around seeing what the hell's going on,

537
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Speaker 3: But he's out here anyways. All right, real quick, before

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Speaker 3: we get to Yovon, I just got to talk about it,

539
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Speaker 3: like I like Lamar Jackson. I know people think you

540
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 3: don't like him, Jay, you're critical. That's what we do.

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Speaker 3: We're critical of everybody. Patrick Mahomes, Jalen hurts, Lebron, everybody.

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Speaker 3: And Lamar Jackson is a two time MVP. He's a

543
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Speaker 3: dynamic player. When he's on, you're watching. He came out

544
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Speaker 3: here so far to play. I think it was a

545
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Speaker 3: Chargers even last year, two years ago. I was at

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Speaker 3: the game. He's electrifying. You can't take your eyes off him.

547
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Speaker 3: He's unbelievable. And he keeps coming up empty in the playoffs,

548
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Speaker 3: which is fine, you know, not everybody wins right out

549
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Speaker 3: of the gate. But Lamar went on some digital show

550
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 3: with Kevin Hart and need to take a quick time out.

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Speaker 3: Kevin Hart, for my money, is the funniest guy going.

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Speaker 3: I know people like Theo Vaughn and then all these

553
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Speaker 3: other comics. Kevin Hart's the man. I'm a huge fan

554
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 3: of movies, his stand up. I've seen him live. He's great.

555
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 3: Kevin Hart also does like an ice tub thing where

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Speaker 3: he invites people on and talks to him. And here's

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Speaker 3: what Lamar Jackson said to Kevin Hart about the one thing, okay,

558
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Speaker 3: one thing he needs to improve on to get the

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Speaker 3: Ravens over the hump just being a leader.

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Speaker 10: Okay, I'm gonna say being a leader because I'm I

561
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 10: really don't. I'm really not outspoken, like being vocal with

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Speaker 10: my guys like oh let's do this, and that got

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Speaker 10: a great motivation of speech. I don't have that. You know,

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Speaker 10: I just pretty much lead by example. I go out there,

565
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Speaker 10: I'm gonna work hard. I expect that out of you.

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Speaker 10: But as I've been going, like growing in the league,

567
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Speaker 10: it's like, nah, you gotta talk to the guys coaches

568
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Speaker 10: and stuff. Like to talk to the guy right now.

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Speaker 10: I talked to him one on one, but certain things

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Speaker 10: I'm saying, I gotta voice it more. It's my opinion

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Speaker 10: more to those guys.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. It's like when you're in a

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Speaker 3: job interview and you know, they ask you one of

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Speaker 3: these quess like what's your biggest weakness, and you give

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Speaker 3: one of these answers that says like, I don't have

576
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Speaker 3: a weakness, you know, not having a weakness, that's my weakness,

577
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Speaker 3: like something like that, and I'm like, really, leadership, you

578
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Speaker 3: either have that or you don't. I don't think like

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Speaker 3: five years in the league something snaps and you're a leader.

580
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Speaker 3: Like Justin Herbert is quiet and just doesn't say much.

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Speaker 3: That's who he is. He's not changing.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes is a fiery dude. He was that way

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Speaker 3: at Texas Tech, He's that way in the NFL. He's

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Speaker 3: not changing. Lamar Jackson is a quiet guy. He doesn't

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Speaker 3: say a lot. Tom Brady, you remember him on the

587
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Speaker 3: sideline with the Patriots. He would f bomb people and

588
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Speaker 3: dog cuss him. That's who he was. Fiery. Everybody's different

589
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Speaker 3: when it comes to leadership. If Lamar was given truth

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Speaker 3: serum before the Kevin Hard interview, what's the biggest way,

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Speaker 3: Hey man, I've had some rotten playoff games going to Buffalo.

592
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 3: I couldn't do anything this past year in Buffalo. I

593
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 3: started slow, fumble interception, I got us in the hole.

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Speaker 3: I can't play like that on the road. I haven't

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Speaker 3: delivered in the playoffs. And it's like, yeah, I get it,

596
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 3: Mark Andrews. If he catches that, it's a different discussion.

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Speaker 3: But look at the game log of Lamar Jackson. He

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Speaker 3: has not been great in the playoffs, and yeah, I

599
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 3: see the drops on the screen and that's not always

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Speaker 3: on him. Obviously, what's his name? Against Kansas City when

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Speaker 3: they were at home, had to fumble the young receiver

602
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 3: Za Flowers had a brutal game, but right out of

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Speaker 3: the gate, like Lamar Jackson wasn't awesome. Teams have seen him,

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Speaker 3: they know how to game plan for him. He needs

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Speaker 3: to become a different quarterback in the postseason. And that's

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Speaker 3: not a knock, it's just a reality. Right now, that's

607
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Speaker 3: the only Kryptonite has. The calendar turns to January and

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, Lamar Jackson, Oh shoot, what are

609
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Speaker 3: we getting here? Are we in trouble? I mean, look

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Speaker 3: at the numbers three and five in the playoffs. Completion

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00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 3: percentage down, passer rating down. It hasn't been great. Now

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Speaker 3: you're playing the best of the best. But for a

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Speaker 3: two time MVP, that to me is his weakness. I

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Speaker 3: don't want to hear this as leader ship nonsense.

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Speaker 2: All right, be sure to catch live editions of The

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Speaker 2: Herd weekdays in neonon Eastern nine am Pacific on Fox

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Speaker 2: Sports Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 3: Let's go back to the NBA and bring in Jovon Buha,

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Speaker 3: who covers the league. He covers the Lakers closely. Let's

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Speaker 3: welcome in Jovon, who's listen. The last time he was

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Speaker 3: her absolute fire. And now the pressure's on Yovann obviously,

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Speaker 3: not just because you're a free agent, but also there's

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Speaker 3: some free agent stuff swirling around and the Lakers fans

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Speaker 3: want to know right now what is the status with

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Speaker 3: DeAndre Ayton and Los Angeles.

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Speaker 11: MI understanding is he's likely going to make his decision

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Speaker 11: today he clears waivers at five pm Eastern time. There's

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Speaker 11: a bit of a DeAndre eight and sweepstakes going on

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Speaker 11: right now for a guy who's on a thirty five

630
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Speaker 11: million dollar contract gets bought out and now is going

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Speaker 11: to be in that probably eight to eight to fourteen

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Speaker 11: million dollar range. So you got a couple of options

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Speaker 11: with the full non taxpayer mL Golden State in Indiana

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Speaker 11: both need starting centers.

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Speaker 9: Indiana just lost Miles Turner.

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Speaker 11: They also have a relationship with eight and they offered

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Speaker 11: him a max contract offer sheet back in twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 11: which he signed, So there was a second there where

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Speaker 11: it looked like he was going to be their center

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Speaker 11: of the future. Then you got the Lakers, who only

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Speaker 11: have eight point two five million dollars because they split

642
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 11: part of that mL on Jake Laavia. So I think

643
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 11: the Lakers probably provide the best opportunity. You're going to

644
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 11: be in the spotlight. You're going to be starting playing

645
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 11: with Luca, potentially playing with Lebron and theoretically being on

646
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 11: a team with some you know, contending odds, So I

647
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 11: think that's the best opportunity for him. But also like

648
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 11: money talks and other teams can offer him more money.

649
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 3: I mean, he got number one pick money, he got

650
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 3: a second contract, which is huge. Yeah, I mean fourteen

651
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 3: million versus eight. If it just comes out to that,

652
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 3: Lakers are going to lose out on that, and.

653
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 11: He's still getting the twenty five million from Portland, So

654
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 11: he would be taking like I guess, a one point

655
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,719
Speaker 11: seventy five million shaving off of that thirty five if

656
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 11: he goes to the Lakers, whereas actually if he goes

657
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 11: to the other team, so he could technically make more

658
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 11: money on top of the thirty five because it would

659
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 11: be an offset of like four.

660
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 9: Extra million dollars.

661
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 11: But I think right now that they're weighing their options

662
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,959
Speaker 11: is my understanding him and his camp. But it sounds

663
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 11: like around the time of him clearing waivers, we should

664
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 11: have a better ide Yeah, from.

665
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 3: Just a fit perspective, I got to ask, like, culturally,

666
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 3: did you read the article about him where it's like

667
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 3: he was late to flights. In practice, he couldn't make

668
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 3: it to a game because of icy roads, Like there

669
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 3: was a lot of stuff that apparently trickled out in Portland.

670
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 3: They were like, we got to get this guy out

671
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 3: of here, and now the Lakers want to bring him in.

672
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean that's certainly concerning.

673
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 11: But if you look at the center options right now

674
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 11: in free agency, the alternative is a thirty nine year old.

675
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 9: Al Horford, who I think I would go out Horford.

676
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 9: I like Al Horford.

677
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 11: I just think, you know, in comparison to like rebounding

678
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,239
Speaker 11: rim protection, I think Deandreyton as a twenty six year

679
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 11: old is just at a different level than Al Horford

680
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 11: right now, like that they were load managing Al Horford

681
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 11: and Boston right and I don't think he's a guy

682
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 11: you can hold up over the course of an eighty

683
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 11: two game season. So I think the Lakers need a

684
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 11: legit starting center, and eight in is one. Now that

685
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 11: there are some flaws and there are some drawbacks, I

686
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 11: think he's very talented.

687
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 9: He's very skilled.

688
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 11: Of course, there have been times where it seems like

689
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 11: the motor or the motivation have not always been there,

690
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 11: and I think that's something that you know, he's in

691
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 11: a contract year effectively, so he's going to have to

692
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 11: prove himself.

693
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 3: He doesn't really stretch the floor. He doesn't get to

694
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 3: the foul line. He's not I mean, I saw the

695
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 3: true catching some lobs, but he's not like the lively

696
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 3: Gafford type. He's more of a throwback back to the

697
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 3: basket guy.

698
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 11: All seven years he's averaged a double double, So, like

699
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 11: you are getting a baseline level of rebounding with him.

700
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 11: Shot eighty percent at the rim last year, which I think,

701
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 11: you know that's not all dunks. But he's got a

702
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 11: soft touch with hook shots floaters. Like, I think the

703
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 11: offensive skill is there. I think he's arguably the best

704
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 11: like realistic offensive option they could get. It's the defensive

705
00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 11: end that I'm interested to see.

706
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 9: But some of his rent protection numbers are good.

707
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 11: Good defensive rebounder like you could certainly do worst, which

708
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 11: I would argue the Lakers did last year with their senate.

709
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, okay, so so Ayton, Let's say Ayton picks

710
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 3: the Warriors or whoever. Oh wow, they're just sending me

711
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 3: some breaking news. Are you ready for this? Sure it's

712
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 3: not Lakers related. The Knicks are expected to land Mike

713
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 3: Brown as the next head coach of the franchise. Wow,

714
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 3: So not a huge surprise and we'll come back to

715
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 3: the Nix.

716
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Speaker 9: It's a favorite.

717
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was a favorite. So if the Lakers don't

718
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 3: get Ayton and then Al Horford, is there anyone else

719
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 3: out there? I mean Luke Cornett got way too much money.

720
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 3: He would have been the starting center of the Lakers.

721
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean Jackson Hayes is still out there.

722
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 11: Alex Laddin can I can I sell you there's precious

723
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 11: Achua from New York who him?

724
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 2: Yeah?

725
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 11: So, but but I think at that point they have to.

726
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 9: Pivot and make a trade.

727
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 3: Really at that Like, but then who do they have

728
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 3: to trade Ruey or Austin Reeves.

729
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 11: Depends on the salary for the player, like a guy

730
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 11: like Walker Kessler, who is like they're not get I

731
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 11: don't think they're getting Walker Kessler, but like that he's

732
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 11: on a rookie scale contract.

733
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 9: So you could do something like.

734
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 11: The Mark Williams package of Dalton connect a first a

735
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 11: swap something like that where you're not really giving up

736
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 11: much in salary and you're trading a bench player for

737
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 11: a starter. So like that's probably the optimal trade.

738
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 3: Oh, if they could get Walker Kesler for adulta cake.

739
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 11: I don't think they're getting Walker Kessler. But could they

740
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 11: get a Nick Claxton from Brooklyn? Could they get a

741
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 11: Gafford from Dallas? Circle the block talk.

742
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 3: About Dallas so and there's a Lebron There's so much

743
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 3: stuff I don't want to Actually, I'm sorry. Let me

744
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 3: go back to Jake Laurravia. A lot of Laker fans

745
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,439
Speaker 3: are outraged, and there's these memes around what the hell

746
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 3: is it Jake Laurravia. But you told me something that

747
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 3: I hadn't seen online about Jake Laaravia. What's the connection

748
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 3: to the Lakers?

749
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 11: Shares an agency with Austin Reeves, and he actually did

750
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 11: an interview this summer and at the end of the

751
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 11: interview he pans and he's in the car with Austin Reeves,

752
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 11: so that they were spending some time together this offseason.

753
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 11: So assuming Austin put on his recruiting hat and told

754
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 11: him about his experience in la and what it's like

755
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 11: to be a Laker, and that was a selling point

756
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 11: for sure. But I will say I've been in the

757
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 11: lab diving into the j Laaravia film, okay, and it's

758
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 11: it's impressive for.

759
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 3: A twenty three year old. There we go, here we

760
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 3: go like, look.

761
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 11: This is the guy is a former first round pick

762
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 11: from you know, he's played three years and he played

763
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 11: a Memphis and Sacramento, so though like he's not a

764
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 11: household name, he's playing in two small markets that don't

765
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 11: get a lot of attention. He was a bench player,

766
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 11: but they're counting on him to in some ways be

767
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 11: the Dorian Finney Smith replacement.

768
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 9: And like watching his film.

769
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 11: I have a film breakdown coming out on my YouTube

770
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 11: channel later, and like he's guarding Jokic and he's doing

771
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 11: the Caruso of fronting him, deflecting entry passes. He's switching

772
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 11: on to Tatum and Kawhi like he's I think people

773
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 11: look at him and they don't expect him to be

774
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 11: good defensively, but he is actually pretty good against wings

775
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 11: and then forty three percent three point shooter last year,

776
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 11: so I think he can actually do some things for them.

777
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 11: And six million dollars, like we're talking about, you know,

778
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 11: not even half the mid level, Like I think it's

779
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 11: pretty good value.

780
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 3: It. So when you said Laaravia shares an agent with Reeve,

781
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,720
Speaker 3: I instantly you don't going next step. They're not trading

782
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 3: Austin Reefs he's sticking around. You don't do that move

783
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 3: with Reeves's agent. You clearly like the agent and you

784
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 3: trust him, and you like Reeves and the work ethic

785
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 3: for Laavia. So they're not moving off Austin Reefs. Can

786
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 3: we just put that to.

787
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 9: Bed or no?

788
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 11: I think so for this summer. Of course, we'll see

789
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 11: how next season goes. And now there's this talk of

790
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 11: them having this twenty twenty seven plan and trying to

791
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 11: keep the cap sheet flexibility to go get a second

792
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 11: superstar in the summer of twenty twenty seven or maybe

793
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 11: trade for one going into that summer. So I think

794
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 11: depending on how this next season goes with him, how

795
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 11: he fares in the playoffs, and then also what type

796
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 11: of contract he gets, I think all those are factors

797
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 11: that could determine whether he ultimately gets traded at some

798
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 11: point in the future. But for this summer, they've been

799
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 11: telegraphing it like they've called him a pillar of the franchise.

800
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 9: They offered him.

801
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 11: The max contract, the extension that they could. It was

802
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 11: below market value, so he didn't take it. But I

803
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 11: think he is someone who is going to be a

804
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 11: part of the Lakers for at least next season and

805
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 11: then we'll see ultimately with the next contract.

806
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 3: Okay, so let's go to the breaking news here. So

807
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 3: the Knicks move off Tibbs last month and now bring

808
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 3: in Mike Brown. I'll bring it to Lebron in a second.

809
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 3: First of all, I'm curious, do you think Mike Brown

810
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 3: is an upgrade over Tibodau.

811
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 11: I think it's close. I think from a personality perspective,

812
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 11: he is. And that's always the variable here that it

813
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 11: is hard to quantify of just TIBs can be grading

814
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 11: on people like we have enough of sample size of

815
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 11: that of some players just don't mesh well with that.

816
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 11: And I think that old school style of coaching has

817
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,879
Speaker 11: kind of gone away in the NBA, So I think

818
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 11: from a personality perspective, So actually going to feels like

819
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 11: Golden State is the place as a retread head coach

820
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 11: you want to go to join that assistant coaching staff

821
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 11: and learn from Steve Kerr kind of the modern way

822
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 11: of coaching, which I think is a more player friendly

823
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 11: appro So I think from that perspective he will be

824
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 11: in terms of x's and o's defense, like Tip's pretty

825
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 11: good in that regard. I think he'll play a deeper rotation,

826
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 11: so I think that's.

827
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 3: Probably up grade.

828
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 9: But so sometimes you just need a new voice.

829
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 11: Tims was there for five years and does feel like

830
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 11: with the coaching cycle now, guys get three to five

831
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 11: years and you got to try to maximize that.

832
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 3: So I'll ask you about Mike Brown, dating back to

833
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 3: his early Lebron days, can you really judge Mike Brown

834
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 3: from coaching? Lebron won fifty games, one fifty, lost in

835
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 3: the conference finals, won sixth, like I don't really count that.

836
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 3: So then you got one year with the Lakers and

837
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 3: then he got fired the next year like five games in,

838
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 3: and then he was pretty good in Sacramento. I don't

839
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 3: really know. But what some of my Knixt friends are saying, Jay,

840
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 3: there's one potential landing spot for Lebron, and that could

841
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 3: be the New York next the Calves would probably have

842
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 3: to give up too much. Mike Brown knows Lebron. What

843
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 3: about Lebron getting traded to the Knicks for an og

844
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 3: Mitchell Robinson? Whatever. Do you think there's any the world

845
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 3: where Lebron gets traded.

846
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 11: I think there's a world, but I think it's I

847
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 11: would put the odds very low right now.

848
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 9: I mean, he has not asked for a trade.

849
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 11: There's been no discussion between Rich Paul and the Lakers

850
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 11: about a potential trade. It's hard to look at that

851
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 11: statement and not read into it and then see these

852
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 11: subsequent actions by the Lakers of not retaining Dori and

853
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 11: Finney Smith and then signing a twenty three year old

854
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 11: in Jake Lauravia, then having the support come out that

855
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 11: they're looking at twenty twenty seven as the summer to

856
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 11: really get that second.

857
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 9: Star build around Luca.

858
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 11: So the moves they're making are trending in a younger,

859
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 11: short term window and not necessarily win now, maximize Lebron's

860
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 11: twenty third season, maximize Lebron's potential twenty fourth season. So

861
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 11: if I'm Lebron, and I think they kind of put

862
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 11: it out in statement like it's been a good partnership

863
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 11: that they've had seven years together. He won a championship,

864
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 11: he benefited from the Lakers brand, They've benefited from him

865
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 11: coming there, bringing Ad there, winning a championship, so like

866
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 11: it's been a mutually beneficial partnership. I just think at

867
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 11: this point, if you're Lebron, it's hard to like I

868
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 11: think right now, they're probably the fifth best team in

869
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 11: the West, and that's not a spot that lebre the top.

870
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 3: Let me guess, Houston, Denver, Oka, See who's the other one?

871
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 11: Minnesota back to back conference finals. I mean they lost, nah,

872
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 11: but that's a big It is a big loss. But

873
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 11: I mean I think that they just meet the Lakers

874
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 11: in five, and you could argue that Lakers are currently

875
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 11: worse than they were. I mean, Golden State's in the mix,

876
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 11: the Clippers in the mix. I really like the Brook

877
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 11: Lopez signing for them.

878
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 9: So the West is tough. And then you got Dallas

879
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 9: just looming.

880
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 3: So Dallas. So of these you see on the screen,

881
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 3: four teams have required about Lebron. Everybody says it's Dallas

882
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 3: after the Luca trade. I cannot envision a world where

883
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 3: they're doing another deal.

884
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 11: I'm part of the everybody because I put it out there,

885
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 11: like I heard over the last couple of weeks that

886
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 11: if Lebron asked out, which is an if, right, that

887
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 11: Dallas would be among the teams that would be on him.

888
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 3: Shop that trade. Let's just just humor me. Who the

889
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 3: hell are they getting for for Lebron? They're not.

890
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 9: I've been on the trade machine, give it up Cooper.

891
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 11: No, so I think Cooper Flag eighty, Kyrie, Derek Lively,

892
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 11: those four are off the table.

893
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 3: Can't get Lively.

894
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 9: I don't think so.

895
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 11: I mean maybe, but Thompson, Yeah, I think it's Gafford, PJ. Washington,

896
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 11: Klay Thompson, Max Christie that those four work financially.

897
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 9: I don't even you throw from You're throwing a pick?

898
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 3: No, be good.

899
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 9: You could get the Lakers.

900
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,240
Speaker 11: Lakers could get their pick back from the Luca trade potentially.

901
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, can I get super Max Christie back?

902
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 9: No? Yeah, I mean it's it's yeah.

903
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 3: So Dallas is one, Cleveland is another, and it's.

904
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 11: Just their second Apron team. So that's it's good, like tricky.

905
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 3: Did you see the instagram today of Lebron in Ohio

906
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,439
Speaker 3: playing golf wearing a hat that says welcome home.

907
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 9: Yeah, okay, go.

908
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 3: Ahead and give me your thoughts on it, because he

909
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 3: loves to play these games.

910
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:47,919
Speaker 9: He does.

911
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 3: From the statement from Rich Paul, the Lakers seem to

912
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 3: counter with their own twenty twenty seven and now Lebron

913
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 3: countering with his welcome home part for the course, ah

914
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 3: golf analogy or is there something more here?

915
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 9: I think there's a little bit more here, just because

916
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 9: the finish line is in sight. Right.

917
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 11: So, again going back to Lebron, like because Lebron has

918
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 11: done this before, right, He's at various points of his career, health,

919
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 11: his team to their feet, to the fire with the

920
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 11: one plus ones, and some of the cryptic things he'll do,

921
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 11: and he went to the Cleveland playoff game and like,

922
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 11: so there's been a little bit of smoke with that, right,

923
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 11: But it's different to actually ask out right and demand

924
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 11: a trade.

925
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 9: He's never been traded.

926
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 11: I think that's been a point of pride for him

927
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 11: that he, you know, look at even though he's bounced

928
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 11: around a little bit, it's always been him making the decision, him.

929
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,760
Speaker 9: Being the driving force behind it. He's never been traded, which.

930
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 11: Not every star, Yeah, especially stars that have been on

931
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,439
Speaker 11: multiple teams can say so. I think that's the point

932
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 11: of pride. But again, the finish line's in sight. It's

933
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 11: one year left, it's maybe two years, three years. If

934
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 11: he really wanted to stretch it out, and if he

935
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 11: wants to get that fifth ring. You could argue there

936
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 11: are several teams that would make more sense.

937
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 3: You trusted, like Atlanta detro So.

938
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 9: I think it has to be a big market.

939
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 11: I don't see because people have floated Denver, which now

940
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 11: it's a little trickier with Poet like I think MPJ

941
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 11: would have had to have been.

942
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 9: The salary and they just trade for Cam Johnson.

943
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 11: But that one, I'm just like, I don't see Lebron

944
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 11: living in Denver and playing for Denver.

945
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 9: I think.

946
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 11: So that's why the four I mentioned on my show

947
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 11: where Golden State, New York, Cleveland, Dallas.

948
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 9: Cleveland's the one small market.

949
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 11: But that's obviously home and you got the homecoming narrative

950
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 11: for the second time. But then Dallas, Golden State, New

951
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 11: York are all big market teams.

952
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, let's go from Lebron to Luka donchet.

953
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 3: So I opened the show defending Luca. The disrespect is

954
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 3: getting a little out of control. Yeah, have you heard

955
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 3: the Avery Johnson sound about? He was asked, who would

956
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 3: you rather have, Cooper flag or Luka donct And I

957
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 3: think we could play it for you. Here here's Avery Johnson.

958
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 5: Man, give me Cooper flag. Really Cooper flag in this team? Yeah,

959
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,439
Speaker 5: give me Cooper flag. Man.

960
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 3: You're talking about a team when.

961
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 5: They're health He got three future Hall the famous with

962
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 5: Carrie A. D and Klay Thompson. So this is really

963
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 5: exciting the Mavericks. Their future is bright, but they have

964
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 5: a window when they're healthy of the next two to

965
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 5: three years. What does rostass currently constructed?

966
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 3: Okay, listen, Avery Johnson is a smart guy. He probably

967
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 3: knows more basketball than you and I combined. Yeah, this

968
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 3: is just crazy? Is best hoop crazy?

969
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 9: Yes?

970
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 3: Correct?

971
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 9: Correct?

972
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 3: Why are people hadding on Luca like one bad season?

973
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 3: And by the way, hey, if he had rushed back

974
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 3: from his Catholic Nico Harrison wanted, would he beat Tyrese Haliburton? Now,

975
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 3: I don't know.

976
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean maybe it's the jersey he's wearing. Now,

977
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 11: I think that comes with some extra criticism sometimes, I

978
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 11: mean I do think the way like I think some

979
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 11: of the stuff that came out from the Dallas side

980
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 11: has been taken as gospel, right with the conditioning and

981
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 11: their concerns, and it almost was like, we can believe

982
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 11: that this trade is real, so we have to validate

983
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 11: anything that's coming from their side too, to even make

984
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 11: it like plausible that they would consider trading Luca. And now,

985
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 11: of course Nico's still gotten his fair share of jokes,

986
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 11: and he's.

987
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 9: Been roasted, and you know, we'll probably be roasted forever.

988
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 11: But I think there has been like a tarnishing of

989
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 11: Luca and his image and just his status in the

990
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 11: league because I think for a lot of people he

991
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 11: was like a top two or top three player pre

992
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 11: Lakers trade. Now he's being talked about in like top five,

993
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 11: top seven, top test.

994
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 3: I slip it, would you take Sga over Luca going forward?

995
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 3: Right now? I think you asked me this last time

996
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 3: I was on again, because he's now finals, I.

997
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 9: Think I would come on. But more so it's more

998
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 9: of the defense.

999
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 11: I think that like that's I think that's the real

1000
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 11: knock on Luca's Like you have to build a particular lineup,

1001
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 11: and now we have the proof of concept with Sga.

1002
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 11: Of like I think previously I had some concerns could

1003
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 11: Sga be the best player? We hadn't seen it yet,

1004
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 11: Like that was one thing we had discussed of, you know,

1005
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,919
Speaker 11: talking about like him versus Harden. It was like, can

1006
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 11: he get over that hump? Can you get to the finals?

1007
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 11: Can you win a championship? He did it and he

1008
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 11: was awesome, and so I think like for now, I

1009
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 11: think Shaye deserves his props.

1010
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 9: MVP Finals, MVP. I think both were deserved.

1011
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 11: But you know, I think I'll say it's close, like

1012
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 11: I think Lucas probably the third or fourth best players.

1013
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 9: It's right there with the honest.

1014
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 3: So I was gonna I was gonna ask you this,

1015
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 3: but now it probably hurts your chances. So your background

1016
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 3: is Eastern European rus because I fall you know in

1017
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,280
Speaker 3: Serbia stuff. Right, what's Luca's background?

1018
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 11: Uh, he's Somnia, but there their close Balkan region former Yugoslavia,

1019
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 11: and then that has some Serbian roots.

1020
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 3: When he's going back this summer, are you headed back

1021
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:43,720
Speaker 3: there to maybe?

1022
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 11: So he is actually going to be in Serbia in August.

1023
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 11: They're playing a friendly against Serbia. And we were actually

1024
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 11: talking about it at the end of the season. Luca

1025
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 11: and I after the Lakers were eliminated, were walking to Was.

1026
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:56,720
Speaker 3: That any different language?

1027
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 5: Uh?

1028
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 11: No, we were talking in English. We have done a

1029
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 11: little talk in Serbia. I speak a little bit. I

1030
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 11: wish I spoke for you walk into the walk into

1031
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 11: the car area, you know, doing the sidling. We were

1032
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 11: chatting and I was saying it might be going this summer,

1033
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 11: and he was saying when he was going to be there,

1034
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 11: so maybe it's it's TVD right now.

1035
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 3: Well, it would have helped. All this is to say,

1036
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 3: of course, Luca over SGA. Yeah, welcome you.

1037
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 9: And I mean I've spoken very highly of Luca.

1038
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 11: Yeah, you know, I think he's again I think Luca

1039
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 11: over Cooper Flag ten out of ten times. Like we'll

1040
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 11: see with Flag, right, he could develop into that type

1041
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 11: of player, but I think Luca is clearly the engine

1042
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 11: of you could win a title with him as your

1043
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 11: best player, number one option. Cooper Flag, I think like

1044
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 11: maybe he's more of a number two, but could be

1045
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 11: because he could do so many other things and he's

1046
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 11: like a defensive Player of the Year type defender like

1047
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,439
Speaker 11: I don't know, more like a Kevin Garnett or something

1048
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 11: like that, where you know, I don't know if he's

1049
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 11: the number one option, but he can do so many

1050
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 11: other things that it makes up for it.

1051
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 9: All right.

1052
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 3: Last one, I thought the Lakers would be in the

1053
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 3: mix to get some not ring chasers, but oh damn,

1054
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 3: I could play with Luca and Lebron and then I

1055
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 3: see like Tim Hardaway's going to the Nuggets. I mean,

1056
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 3: that's got to hurt right, those guys could have been

1057
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 3: huge for the Lakers to get just shooters.

1058
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,919
Speaker 11: Yeah, So with that, I would say, right now, there's

1059
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 11: just to hold up with the Eton situation and what

1060
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 11: they do with their non taxpayer m lee. They have

1061
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 11: the bi annual exception five point one million, So I

1062
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 11: think there are going to be some guys that Chris

1063
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 11: Paul I don't think he's probably one of the Lakers.

1064
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 11: It seems more like the Clippers. But gosh, Chris, what

1065
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 11: the heck? But like d Anthony Melton is a name

1066
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 11: I like who a former was he hurt last year?

1067
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 9: Trojan?

1068
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 11: Yeah, he towards the ACL last year, so that's the

1069
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 11: reason why he's available.

1070
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:37,280
Speaker 9: But is a.

1071
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 11: Defensive energy guard I think, a good guard off the bench.

1072
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 11: Gary Payton second is still out there, a mere coffee

1073
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 11: clipper bench wing who is athletics score. So like that,

1074
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Speaker 11: There's some names that I think Lakers could sign depending

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Speaker 11: on what they have available. But I think you'll see

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Speaker 11: them get like right now is just being held up

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Speaker 11: by once they have the clarity with eight and then

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Speaker 11: they'll move forward.

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Speaker 3: Super hot take just hit me, why the hell not

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Speaker 3: Celtics don't have Tatum next year? It would never happen.

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Speaker 3: But what if there was a Hey, Jalen Brown, let's

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Speaker 3: get him off our books. We'll take Lebron for a year.

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Speaker 3: He could do his victory lap with the Celtics lead

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Speaker 3: us to I don't know what in the East, and

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Speaker 3: you guys can have Jaylen Brown because they're not gonna

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Speaker 3: be able to pay Tatum and Brown sixty five million

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Speaker 3: each and build a team. That's pretty clear any shot

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Speaker 3: the Celtics get involved for Lebron.

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Speaker 11: I think Lebron would rather retire and play for the Celtics.

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Speaker 11: Well said, and he's got the no trade class, so

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Speaker 11: you would block it.

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Speaker 3: He can take sight. I'd to fire up. Why not