Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily or we're not waiting till November
Speaker 1: to make some big trades.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 1: I'm here in the Chris Westling podcast studio with my
Speaker 1: friends Colleen Wolf and Jordan Rodrigue of The Athletic and uh,
Speaker 1: I'm just rolling around here. I'm losing my mind. Are
Speaker 1: you on jet lag? I'm doing great? But uh I
Speaker 1: told the NFL offices, I was like, give me, give
Speaker 1: me a shot of adrenaline coming into this show. I
Speaker 1: need the energy. So they made some big time trades happen.
Speaker 3: Oh I did this? This was Greg? Greg. Can we
Speaker 3: just talk about like how oppress of your schedule has
Speaker 3: been over the last kind of the details?
Speaker 4: Why you going?
Speaker 3: We have Adams being traded, Shane, Greg, We.
Speaker 5: Have Amari Cooper being traded functioning right now.
Speaker 1: We have a TNF preview with Sean Payton.
Speaker 5: But answer this, when did you when did you land?
Speaker 5: When did you get back from London?
Speaker 1: Like five o'clock or so. I was watching the first
Speaker 1: quarter of the game on the on the way home.
Speaker 1: We did the recap show last night.
Speaker 2: You did the recap show.
Speaker 4: We did the recap show. You haven't listened.
Speaker 1: It's great analysis me and Nick Schuck. Yeah, we're back
Speaker 1: with London. That's old news. That was that was what
Speaker 1: forty eight hours.
Speaker 5: A dangerous precedent for everyone else coming back from Internet.
Speaker 4: I no, that was not the play.
Speaker 3: I don't care. You're not gonna like that. I say this,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, and close your ears if you need to.
Speaker 3: But like watching you work over this last week because
Speaker 3: you're also consuming other podcasts, you're also prepping for every
Speaker 3: single daily show. I know you're He's like, he's shriveling
Speaker 3: in embarrassment right now because he hates this, But like,
Speaker 3: I am so amazed by what you just accomplished. Oh, Greg,
Speaker 3: so thank you for like making the bar so high
Speaker 3: for the rest of us that.
Speaker 2: We can never I'm not really the world a belot.
Speaker 3: No, But in all earnestness, Greg like, hell, yeah, dude,
Speaker 3: you're great.
Speaker 4: I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: And yeah, coming back this side it, if I could
Speaker 1: have scheduled the days differently, that would be.
Speaker 3: That would be perfect hindsight. I hated the no.
Speaker 1: No no, I loved it, but the sun the Sunday schedule,
Speaker 1: doing the game at Tottenham to the Sky studios and
Speaker 1: then doing this this show.
Speaker 4: The NFL Daily Show, Deep into the Night.
Speaker 1: That's one of the most fun days that that I'll
Speaker 1: ever have working getting on a motorcycle you.
Speaker 3: Go for next time one of our picture.
Speaker 1: One of our one of our Shadowy League figures. Actually
Speaker 1: I saw and you know, a couple of them have
Speaker 1: come to me like we wouldn't have been bold enough
Speaker 1: to get on get on that motorcycle, flying through traffic
Speaker 1: to get the sky by the kickoff.
Speaker 4: It was fun.
Speaker 2: It's fun.
Speaker 4: It was fun. I love that Colleen would have Definitely.
Speaker 5: You're like Jason Bourne out Hire.
Speaker 3: Colleen would have jumped off a building, parachuted into we're talking.
Speaker 2: I totally would have. I wish I could someone bring
Speaker 2: me that opportunity.
Speaker 4: I I'm like Jason Bourne.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if Jason Bourne was like five six and one
Speaker 1: hundred and forty pounds. Nothing will get you more conscious
Speaker 1: of your size as a small man than watching Love
Speaker 1: is Blind on your downloads on the way back from London.
Speaker 1: It's just like everyone when they're about to see them,
Speaker 1: he just says, I hope he's not small.
Speaker 4: We got to have Love is Blind. But it's just
Speaker 4: like a bunch of.
Speaker 1: Small guys scoring like statue esque women and see what happens.
Speaker 1: Let's go and talk about some news. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I would kill it on Love is Blind by the way.
Speaker 1: I would like win them over. And then then they'd
Speaker 1: be like, what the hell? You know?
Speaker 4: Who is happy with?
Speaker 1: What was behind the door when they opened it up
Speaker 1: this morning, Jets fans like, behind that Love Is Blind
Speaker 1: door was a silhouette of Davante Adams. He arrived in
Speaker 1: New York, New Jersey Monday night, maybe before the Monday
Speaker 1: night football game even happened. And then we learned on
Speaker 1: month Tuesday rather that the Raiders are trading Deavante Adams
Speaker 1: to the Jets for a conditional third round pick in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. I want to let you know the
Speaker 1: conditions because it makes it pretty obvious that it's likely
Speaker 1: to stay a third round pick. The Jets have to
Speaker 1: either make the AFC Title Game or Super Bowl, or
Speaker 1: DeVante Adams has to be a first or second team
Speaker 1: All Pro, both of which are very unlikely. The Jets
Speaker 1: making it that far would be more likely because we're
Speaker 1: in week seven here, we're entering and Devanta Adams hasn't
Speaker 1: played alf the weeks and his numbers weren't good. So
Speaker 1: you're probably not getting the second team All Pro. That
Speaker 1: means they picked up a great receiver for the a
Speaker 1: mid third round pick, Colleen, And yet like no one
Speaker 1: seems happy about it. People say, oh, this is all
Speaker 1: the Jets doing Jets things again.
Speaker 4: I'm like, what am I missing? I think it's good.
Speaker 4: I think it's smart.
Speaker 5: It's great for us just from a sheer entertainment value.
Speaker 5: I mean, him going to the Jets, there's no better
Speaker 5: place he could have gone. This is amazing, going with
Speaker 5: Aaron Rodgers in New York, with that media scene and
Speaker 5: a team that's two and four.
Speaker 2: The only thing that.
Speaker 5: They're really winning right now is all of our attention,
Speaker 5: and it seems to happen every single Tuesday.
Speaker 2: It's very see you next Tuesday.
Speaker 5: Of them the name of our text chain and yeah.
Speaker 2: It's there's winners and losers on both sides.
Speaker 5: And I feel like Garrett Wilson is both a winner
Speaker 5: and a losing interesting in this trade because he's the
Speaker 5: most targeted man in football and this will now sort
Speaker 5: of things will ease up on him, but that will
Speaker 5: maybe allow more opportunities for him to have positive plays.
Speaker 5: But obviously he's not going to be the number one guy,
Speaker 5: and how does that chemistry work in a locker room
Speaker 5: that's filled with big personality.
Speaker 1: He was complaining about what was going on in the
Speaker 1: offense before any of this happened. Now he's got a
Speaker 1: guy who has like a mind lock with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4: But I think it's ultimately positive.
Speaker 1: Good point about the winners of this trade being see
Speaker 1: you next Tuesday.
Speaker 4: You know NFL Daylight.
Speaker 1: I didn't even think about that the Robert Salad trade
Speaker 1: was the last time that Robert salary. You're just gonna
Speaker 1: have to be on this show.
Speaker 4: But you're You're absolutely right that we were here for
Speaker 4: that one.
Speaker 1: And it is funny how after every crushing Jets loss,
Speaker 1: they just completely flip the narrative, like before twenty four
Speaker 1: hours or even up, so that everyone can be like, well,
Speaker 1: now it's a fresh start, we're starting all over. It's
Speaker 1: like that loss never even God.
Speaker 5: It's like, you can get bangs, you can get a
Speaker 5: revenge body, but you're still going to be two and four.
Speaker 1: Right, But if they lose to the Steelers this week,
Speaker 1: it's like, what more can they do? I don't think
Speaker 1: they can do many more things, but I thought it
Speaker 1: was a I think it is a smart gambit by
Speaker 1: the Jets.
Speaker 3: What do you think I can help thinking that not
Speaker 3: only was this first of all the move that needed
Speaker 3: to happen, It's been in the works even before this
Speaker 3: last loss. You could tell with the timeline of everything
Speaker 3: that this was something that was a priority for this
Speaker 3: team to get done, regardless of whether they were going
Speaker 3: to win or lose on Monday Night football, after especially
Speaker 3: after firing Robert Sala, like, you have to do something
Speaker 3: like this, You're basically pushing everything in on saying we
Speaker 3: are going to rebuild or not rebuild, but give the
Speaker 3: quarterback the things that he wants, the things that he needs,
Speaker 3: DeVante Adams being a huge one of those things. I
Speaker 3: also think that it's a chips are on the table
Speaker 3: we're going to try to push. Woody Johnson is saying
Speaker 3: such things at the league meetings this week, and we'll
Speaker 3: tee up the sound in a second. But it's also
Speaker 3: this makes the job vacancy look better. It makes this
Speaker 3: job in general, job all year for next year look better.
Speaker 3: And I do want to point out too, because well,
Speaker 3: I mean, if you can keep some of this intact,
Speaker 3: let's say you don't get as far as you want
Speaker 3: because you have had this chaos right in the middle
Speaker 3: of the season, but you believe you're now on the
Speaker 3: right track and the right structure. You're extending some timelines here.
Speaker 3: It does having weapons on this offense and promising somebody,
Speaker 3: especially an offensive minded coach. And I love Old Rich,
Speaker 3: I think he's a great coach, but saying hey, you
Speaker 3: can come in and we already have this here for
Speaker 3: you if you can basically be amenable to work with
Speaker 3: with the quarterback, if he decides that's going to be
Speaker 3: in the equation for him too. This does make this
Speaker 3: job look a little bit better than it did three
Speaker 3: days ago, or even you know, last week when we
Speaker 3: first got the news of the Robert solid firing. And
Speaker 3: also wanted to point out that Ian Rappaport was supporting
Speaker 3: that he that DeVante Adams and the Jets have agreed
Speaker 3: to a restructure. Even so, not only are you getting
Speaker 3: him for this amount, which is way better than probably
Speaker 3: what the Raiders would have wanted, we're kind of putting
Speaker 3: out there that they would be agreeable to.
Speaker 1: Well, they not paying any money, so that was the
Speaker 1: part of it. I guess the Jets somewhat comfort, but.
Speaker 3: Then the Jets get a restructure out.
Speaker 1: Of it too, right, But the restructure is just this year,
Speaker 1: like kind of spreading in around, and he wasn't making
Speaker 1: that much money anyways. He's making seventeen million dollars this year,
Speaker 1: so they just owe that salary essentially for the rest
Speaker 1: of the season, and they shuffled it around the next
Speaker 1: two years, he is on the books for thirty five
Speaker 1: point six million dollars in each season. I've yes, he
Speaker 1: probably will want more guaranteed money coming into it, but
Speaker 1: I kind of look at that. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: that's about right. That's about what a DeVante Adams would cost.
Speaker 1: So I think it's a good point that it's not
Speaker 1: necessarily just the rental. If Aaron Rodgers is going going
Speaker 1: to keep playing football next year, it is probably gonna
Speaker 1: be with DeVante Adams as his teammate. And I keep
Speaker 1: going back to a mid third round pick. So let's
Speaker 1: listen to the sound that you very professionally.
Speaker 3: Teased getting better every week.
Speaker 1: Woody Johnson at the league meetings, explaining why he did
Speaker 1: it's salvageable.
Speaker 6: We're gonna kick you know, you're gonna have the words
Speaker 6: after that, No, we're gonna We're gonna.
Speaker 1: Do really well.
Speaker 7: We're gonna do well.
Speaker 6: Salvage is at the end, but this is the beginning.
Speaker 6: You know, thinking is overrated. You have to look forward.
Speaker 6: We have to look forward to the games we're gonna
Speaker 6: play at each and every week and uh and try
Speaker 6: to win all of them. Man, that's basic stuff, right.
Speaker 6: I was saying, tell it, Tell Telladega Knights, you've heard
Speaker 6: of that from that one stage he said, you're not
Speaker 6: a thinker, You're a driver.
Speaker 4: Right, Well, that's what you want to hear about about
Speaker 4: the person.
Speaker 3: That love seeing and Talladega Knights. Ricky Bobby is.
Speaker 4: Not a thinker. I love that.
Speaker 1: I Well, I think that was prefaced by a question
Speaker 1: that said, well, the thinking is that you're gonna do this,
Speaker 1: and so he's pushing back.
Speaker 4: He's going with instincts. He's extremely confident.
Speaker 1: Now, that's one of the reasons why Robert Salad doesn't
Speaker 1: have a job is the expectations were so high because
Speaker 1: there's so much confidence and everyone's buying it. Rogers, well,
Speaker 1: he was in a great mood on the McAfee show
Speaker 1: and everyone's talking up Brick, Jeff Ulbrick and you almost
Speaker 1: wouldn't know that this team is two and four.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 1: I don't think Woody Johnson is on the DVOA Future
Speaker 1: Schedule rankings like I am, but the Jets do have
Speaker 1: the easiest schedule in the entire NFL according to DVOA
Speaker 1: for the rest of the season, and they've had the
Speaker 1: sixth hardest so far. So when you do look at
Speaker 1: the schedule, especially once you get past this week at Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: there is some reason to believe, and you saw the
Speaker 1: offense play pretty well on Monday night, that this team
Speaker 1: hurts yeat. This team has some has some winning left to.
Speaker 5: Sure, for sure, but I mean they also need to
Speaker 5: figure out the Hassan Reddick of it all too. And
Speaker 5: I guess Drew Rosenhaus was at the game last night.
Speaker 2: There's just so much that.
Speaker 5: Is happening with this team, and they had the primetime game.
Speaker 5: It was a game that was super frustrating, obviously, DeVante
Speaker 5: Adams today, the mid season firing last week, and now
Speaker 5: Hassan Reddick changing agents and being given a forty eight
Speaker 5: hour window for a trade to be figured out. There's
Speaker 5: just so much happening in New York at once.
Speaker 1: Maybe they get a deal done with Reddick soon, and
Speaker 1: Woody Johnson alluded to it in that press conference saying
Speaker 1: that this was our week to make big moves like
Speaker 1: and he essentially said more big moves are coming.
Speaker 4: What other big moves could there be?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 1: Now, right, so you can maybe get you can maybe
Speaker 1: get the pickback that you sent for Devanta Adams. And
Speaker 1: let's just talk about Davanta Adams for a second, because
Speaker 1: I've seen some commentary that, well, you know, he's in
Speaker 1: the decline phase of his career. You're not going to
Speaker 1: get better trading for older players. And so I went
Speaker 1: back and I watched a lot of his targets and
Speaker 1: his snaps from this year, and DeVante Adams is excellent.
Speaker 1: DeVante Adams is still a top ten receiver. Devanta Adams
Speaker 1: is possibly when he's on the field, still a top
Speaker 1: five receiver. So I thought this was a great move
Speaker 1: for the price that they sent, which again, you're not
Speaker 1: going to get that conditional to move it up from
Speaker 1: a third to a second. We can assume that Jets
Speaker 1: are somewhere in the middle of the third round. This
Speaker 1: is a mid third round pick for either half a
Speaker 1: season or a season, and a half of a top
Speaker 1: ten receiver that is more than fair. You should see
Speaker 1: the third round picks that they've made in the Joe
Speaker 1: Douglas era. In the third round picks, just the average
Speaker 1: third round pick that is out there. People get so
Speaker 1: worked up about, Oh, you can't trade him for a second,
Speaker 1: you can't trade him for a third half. Those picks
Speaker 1: just don't work. And I know there's value in controlling
Speaker 1: costs and you just don't want to give it away,
Speaker 1: But those picks are being given away willy nilly. Once
Speaker 1: you get into the draft, it's like, hey, we want
Speaker 1: to move up ten spots in the third, we'll give
Speaker 1: up a third Like that's what's happening there. And so
Speaker 1: to me, I think it makes sense for what I
Speaker 1: believe is a known commodity, which is DeVante Adams playing
Speaker 1: with Aaron Rodgers. We know Aaron Rodgers is at his
Speaker 1: best with guys who understand how he's thinking. That's why
Speaker 1: Alan Lazard in twenty twenty four is a completely different
Speaker 1: and better player than Alan Lazard was in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 5: James is one of the best route runners in the
Speaker 5: entire league. So this is going to make Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 5: so much happier.
Speaker 3: The one thing I still worry about with this team
Speaker 3: is the offensive line. They make mistakes in singular spurts,
Speaker 3: like they just don't feel like they're playing together as
Speaker 3: a full unit. When they make a mistake, it is
Speaker 3: one guy compounding mistakes, or it is penalties one guy
Speaker 3: or two guys at any given time compounding errors. I
Speaker 3: did like though, Todd Downing as the play caller. He
Speaker 3: puts together a nice little pressure mitigation script to open
Speaker 3: up a couple of those series include running the ball more,
Speaker 3: including looking more balanced. I just think that not only
Speaker 3: does DeVante Adams adding back into the mix give you
Speaker 3: more options with some of those pressure beater route concepts
Speaker 3: that they including some of those quick slants, in breakers
Speaker 3: and outbreakers they're using in the beginning of the game,
Speaker 3: but also it just spreads everyone out a little bit wider,
Speaker 3: so you're not feeling so clenched and compressed as an offense.
Speaker 3: In general, you have some breathing room. And I think
Speaker 3: that to your point Greg earlier, it is usually generally
Speaker 3: with the mean of teams, it is not generally sound
Speaker 3: practice to over invest in veterans on the other side
Speaker 3: of a certain number of years. However, this is not
Speaker 3: a team that believes it is functioning in the mean.
Speaker 3: This is a team that quite literally gathered pieces in
Speaker 3: order to make a push. And so now if you
Speaker 3: commit to that, you can't sit in the gray area,
Speaker 3: can't sit in the halfway zone. You know, there's a
Speaker 3: lot of chaos around the Jets right now. But one
Speaker 3: thing that I do think is the correct thing to
Speaker 3: do is to continue to push along the commitments that
Speaker 3: you've already yeah, and the ethos that you've already decided
Speaker 3: you're gonna have, not change your entire build structure just
Speaker 3: because you fired the head coach.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 1: So, I again I saw like getting put some pushback
Speaker 1: on Twitter that this wasn't a good trade. It's like
Speaker 1: they're not gonna go anywhere, They're not gonna win. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I actually agree with that. I don't think they're gonna
Speaker 1: get the second round pick because I don't think they're
Speaker 1: gonna make the conference title game. Trading for Devontae Adams
Speaker 1: does not change it enough for me. But I'm looking
Speaker 1: at this trade in a vacuum. They've already decided this
Speaker 1: is the strategy. And after deciding this is the strategy
Speaker 1: for this year. Everyone's all in that the GM could
Speaker 1: be gone. It's an older team. You only have Rogers
Speaker 1: for this year and maybe next year.
Speaker 4: Whatever.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be in that vacuum. I think it makes
Speaker 1: total sense because you mentioned it like they're a receiver group.
Speaker 1: Now that with Lazard as a three and Garrett Wilson
Speaker 1: as a two, it's a fun group.
Speaker 4: I think they have issues on their offensive line. I
Speaker 4: didn't have the big question.
Speaker 5: That's the offensive line, and I feel like you brought
Speaker 5: that up like five minutes ago and I've been thinking
Speaker 5: about it ever since. So with this offensive line, because
Speaker 5: obviously last night with Todd Downing, they mixed it up
Speaker 5: a little bit more and ran the ball, which was
Speaker 5: something that we haven't seen this season. But the week
Speaker 5: before when they were playing the Vikings in London, Aaron
Speaker 5: Rodgers dropped back fifty four times in that game. For
Speaker 5: the offensive line, at some point, aren't they fatigued because
Speaker 5: they're they're going backwards. It's way easier to play going forwards,
Speaker 5: like when you're run blocking. Just from that standpoint, I
Speaker 5: would think being mixing things up with the run game
Speaker 5: that might help the offensive line just a little bit
Speaker 5: because of that fatigue factor.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you were. What they were doing was allowing pretty
Speaker 3: much any defense to stay in their A plus pass
Speaker 3: rush plan, which just means because of what you said
Speaker 3: and then a bunch of other circumstances of what that
Speaker 3: looks like structurally, you are basically facing the most arduous
Speaker 3: and extraneous amount of pressure that you possibly can because
Speaker 3: if you don't have dimension, because you're not running the
Speaker 3: ball the way that they were able to a little.
Speaker 4: Bit lessing game of the season.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like and he looked and he looked more
Speaker 3: like himself than he has and certainly produced like that,
Speaker 3: But and there was more balance and again, getting some
Speaker 3: of the quick screens going, getting some of the quick
Speaker 3: slants in the passing game going widens out the defense
Speaker 3: a little bit more. You're accounting for those areas of
Speaker 3: space on the field for the defenders. And then now
Speaker 3: you're able to because you have a little bit wider
Speaker 3: space upfront, you're able to run the ball through that space,
Speaker 3: and it's the blocking becomes easier. So it all fits
Speaker 3: together when you have just like that one extra layer,
Speaker 3: but knowing what to do with it, Colleen, which is
Speaker 3: the point you're making knowing what to do with that
Speaker 3: extra piece in order to alleviate some of the stress
Speaker 3: and like tightness that you're feeling, some of the errors,
Speaker 3: some of the completely whiffed blocks because you're not letting
Speaker 3: a team stay in their aplus pressure plan against you.
Speaker 3: It's a ripple effect having him on the field but
Speaker 3: using him in the right way.
Speaker 1: Playing the easiest schedule to the league. If everything is amazing,
Speaker 1: like everything looks, it looks amazing when you just suddenly
Speaker 1: start playing bad teams like the Bears are amazing now
Speaker 1: because they have four wins over like one win teams
Speaker 1: and play a bunch of bad defenses. The schedule really
Speaker 1: does explain a lot.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm just saying, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Though like it.
Speaker 1: It helps a lot, and I think they need to
Speaker 1: make the playoffs.
Speaker 4: We'll see if they do.
Speaker 1: Poor Mike Williams, who was thrown under the bus a
Speaker 1: little bit by Aaron Rodgers in that postgame press conference
Speaker 1: and then also on McAfee today Wally was on McAfee
Speaker 1: or a little bit after like sometime in the same area.
Speaker 1: Jordan Schultz of Fox Sports reported that Mike Williams could
Speaker 1: be available in a trade, which just unfortunate.
Speaker 4: I wonder. I know it's a different scheme, but the
Speaker 4: Chargers like just give up, like a conditional sixth for Mike.
Speaker 3: Williams toward your h Well.
Speaker 4: That's good.
Speaker 1: I haven't even mentioned the segment that's coming up because
Speaker 1: we have so much news to get to.
Speaker 4: The segment is stuff that will change.
Speaker 1: Like we're in one mode of the season, but the
Speaker 1: whole league is going to be so different by the
Speaker 1: time we chopped get to December, and these teams that
Speaker 1: made moves today, they're so different already than they were
Speaker 1: what twenty four hours ago. I just want to before
Speaker 1: we wrap up this part of the show, the Jets part,
Speaker 1: I just want to say, the last two seasons that
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers and Davante Adams played together, granted they were
Speaker 1: younger men, were they were different men. They DeVante Adams
Speaker 1: average one hundred and fifty nine targets, over fourteen hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty yards and fourteen touchdowns in those two seasons,
Speaker 1: and yeah, the I think he's just going to feel
Speaker 1: so much more comfortable knowing what DeVante Adams is going
Speaker 1: to do. But then again, Davante Adams thought it was
Speaker 1: going to be great to play with Derek Carr and
Speaker 1: that didn't work.
Speaker 3: O Rodgers is stacking friends. Sorry, yeah, you know he is.
Speaker 2: He totally is. It's fine.
Speaker 5: It's not even a great point, but it was just
Speaker 5: going to be them in their subprime is an improvement,
Speaker 5: that is, That is.
Speaker 3: A good point.
Speaker 1: And right I mentioned the third round picks that Joe
Speaker 1: Douglas has made that everyone's such an up and arms
Speaker 1: that they would dare to give away Umu Chuma Adogo
Speaker 1: who's now with the Cowboys, Ashton Davis, Jabari Zuniga, Jeremy
Speaker 1: Rucker halfway decent tight end for them, and Malachi Corley.
Speaker 4: Those are their third round picks. And the Joe Douglas
Speaker 4: just just saying people don't need to go too crazy
Speaker 4: about that.
Speaker 1: Let's go crazy about the other big time trade on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper is a member of the Buffalo Bills. He
Speaker 1: is going there essentially for a third round pick. The Browns,
Speaker 1: you know, those dirty dogs, they somehow got they somehow
Speaker 1: got the Bills to give them back a pick, swap
Speaker 1: a sixth or a seventh on the way in return,
Speaker 1: so like they actually are moved the Bills are moving
Speaker 1: up from the seventh to the sixth round and getting
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper here, and so I just imagine when I
Speaker 1: say those dirty dogs, I mean I can just imagine
Speaker 1: the trade was essentially done and they're like, it'll really
Speaker 1: be done if you give us more than that, and
Speaker 1: the Browns are just like, God, I guess we really
Speaker 1: really don't want Amari Cooper on our team. I think
Speaker 1: it makes sense for both parties. Amari Cooper in a
Speaker 1: different situation than DeVante Adams because he is in a
Speaker 1: contract year. So that's an interesting element that on paper
Speaker 1: it looks like a rental, but once you have him
Speaker 1: in the building, you have more control. You could always
Speaker 1: franchise tag him next year. You certainly could resign him early.
Speaker 1: We saw the Bills last night not really get their
Speaker 1: wide receivers involved too much, certainly on the outside, and
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper would certainly seem to help out a group
Speaker 1: that's given some concern for Bills fans.
Speaker 4: What do you think, Connie, I mean, I just.
Speaker 2: Love the answer from the Bills to the Jets.
Speaker 4: Hmmm.
Speaker 5: With first it's DeVante Adams, now it's Amari Cooper, And
Speaker 5: I just wish that I was privy to all of
Speaker 5: the behind the scenes workings, all of the phone calls
Speaker 5: that were going between the gms and the agents and
Speaker 5: the players. But in terms of this addition to Buffalo,
Speaker 5: I guess everybody doesn't have to eat now because that
Speaker 5: was their mantra. Everybody eats spreading the ball around. I mean,
Speaker 5: Kean Coleman, He's not a number one wide receiver, but
Speaker 5: he's a great compliment to have. So this is going
Speaker 5: to add so much another layer, like Jordan was saying,
Speaker 5: to the offense in general.
Speaker 2: But I think it was smart.
Speaker 5: Of them because they obviously had.
Speaker 2: A very little cap space.
Speaker 5: This deal worked perfectly because Cleveland converted the majority of
Speaker 5: Cooper's twenty million dollar base into a signing bonus, so
Speaker 5: that was why the Bills were able to afford this.
Speaker 5: And yeah, Greg, they had to give up that third
Speaker 5: round pick, but also they still have the pick that
Speaker 5: they acquired from the Stuff on Digs trade an extra
Speaker 5: twenty twenty five second rounder, so they really do win
Speaker 5: out in this right.
Speaker 3: And the contracts lists in a million. I love this move.
Speaker 3: This was in part because selfishly, this was going to
Speaker 3: be a part of my entrance to this oh way. Yeah,
Speaker 3: where I thought I said this could change would be
Speaker 3: the Bill's roster because I felt like they really learned
Speaker 3: and faced some hard truths about themselves over the last
Speaker 3: couple of weeks. And I think some of it was
Speaker 3: figuring out if things could work with that receiver and
Speaker 3: how they were going to deploy everybody, but then just
Speaker 3: seeing that it just wasn't gonna work. I love when
Speaker 3: a team is honest with itself about itself and then
Speaker 3: moves to activate those changes and sort of like fix itself,
Speaker 3: you know, and the I can fix some era of
Speaker 3: the Bills. And I think that you could see this
Speaker 3: in the last couple of weeks. In these games, defenses
Speaker 3: had no fear of their receivers. They were playing man
Speaker 3: so much against these receivers. Again last excuse me Monday night,
Speaker 3: even the rotational corners on the Jets were in man
Speaker 3: against this receiver corp over fifty percent of their coverage stafts. No,
Speaker 3: there was not a huge sample size because Josh Allen
Speaker 3: only threw the ball twenty five times, but still there
Speaker 3: was no fear about this. They weren't threatening defense. They
Speaker 3: were having difficulty layering concepts in order to spring each
Speaker 3: other open in different ways, and so I love this.
Speaker 3: This opens up so much again. It spreads the field
Speaker 3: a little bit wider. It adds an actual threat that
Speaker 3: will dictate certain coverages towards a number one, a bona
Speaker 3: fide number one receiver. Once he gets his feet under him,
Speaker 3: he gets his rhythm. And I also love that the
Speaker 3: Bills are starting to lean more into an identity that
Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily have to depend on the passing game. They're
Speaker 3: loading up in heavier personnel sets. Ray Davis, Welcome Ray
Speaker 3: Davis to the freaking NFL. Love to have you here, man.
Speaker 3: Like what a brilliant debut from him. I loved watching
Speaker 3: him at the Senior Bowl this past year. And they
Speaker 3: are using these north this north to south running, They're
Speaker 3: using him in the passing game. They're using twelve thirteen,
Speaker 3: twenty two personnel, extra tight ends, even a full back,
Speaker 3: And they're leaning on this to where they can now
Speaker 3: make this their identity and still have the multiplicity to
Speaker 3: pop out in the passing game because they can now
Speaker 3: actually with Amari, they can actually rely on this once
Speaker 3: he gets his feet up right.
Speaker 5: That switched to Joe Brady last year mid season was
Speaker 5: one of the best things that they ever did.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, they are a run first team.
Speaker 1: Josh Allen running the ball, I've pointed out on the
Speaker 1: show a number times, is the most effective playing football
Speaker 1: on like a statistical basis success rate, Like when he
Speaker 1: runs the football is always successful and he helps the
Speaker 1: running game. They have a great offensive ene. I think
Speaker 1: they could have won the Super Bowl before this trade.
Speaker 1: I think they have a better chance to win the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl after this trade. I don't think Amari Cooper
Speaker 1: is a number one receiver. I don't think he's probably
Speaker 1: been the prototype of a guy who, throughout his career
Speaker 1: is in that gray area, like, yes, he's a top
Speaker 1: thirty two receiver. Is he a top ten receiver? Almost never.
Speaker 1: But he's so streaky. He kind of reminds me of
Speaker 1: the poor Man's Too in that there's always a honeymoon period.
Speaker 3: But when you say number one receiver, yes, When I
Speaker 3: say that, I'm not saying he's going to have the
Speaker 3: entirety of the target share. I'm saying this is a
Speaker 3: coverage dictate type player.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I don't even know if he
Speaker 1: was doing that in Cleveland this year. He's looked awful,
Speaker 1: like he's been open, but he just hasn't executed like
Speaker 1: his drop.
Speaker 3: Well, the drops are really bad. Context there is not great.
Speaker 1: No, it's not, but some of it when you watch
Speaker 1: I did want to go watch these two guys's targets
Speaker 1: him and Adams and the contested catches like uncatchable balls.
Speaker 4: He's just been out of it.
Speaker 3: And after a career year two right, So that's the.
Speaker 1: Thing is he's had a really interesting career. He seems moody.
Speaker 1: I think now he's not like Tea.
Speaker 3: Yes, there's some Instagram stories about when he was coming
Speaker 3: up in trade conversations. Yeah, some posts about like I'd
Speaker 3: go there whatever, that kind of thing. I think, you know,
Speaker 3: that might be what you're referring to here.
Speaker 4: I'm referring to his entire career.
Speaker 1: His career in Oakland, he was very moody, very streaky,
Speaker 1: very up and down.
Speaker 4: When he was into it.
Speaker 1: He was into it until he wasn't into it, and
Speaker 1: then he got out of it and he went to
Speaker 1: Dallas and he immediately started playing better. He immediately started
Speaker 1: being more focused. Everything was awesome. And then after a
Speaker 1: little while in Dallas a few years, he was very
Speaker 1: much not into it, and he was almost not unplayable
Speaker 1: at points in his last year in Dallas, but he
Speaker 1: was not into it, and they were sick of him,
Speaker 1: and they got rid of it. And then he gets
Speaker 1: to Cleveland and he's he's back into it. It's awesome,
Speaker 1: it's honeymoon, it's working. And then this season it was
Speaker 1: again kind of the Amari Cooper isn't happy season.
Speaker 4: So you would think they get.
Speaker 3: They get the are we talking we're talking about the bills?
Speaker 3: They are they of any there? They know how to
Speaker 3: capitalize on a honeymoon period. I mean they thought they
Speaker 3: have precedent with this. I mean that's that's what I think.
Speaker 3: We're talking about this contextually of what they believe their
Speaker 3: ceiling is, and that is Super Bowl. So yeah, they're
Speaker 3: making this move and they're probably depending on the honeymoon.
Speaker 4: Hell, they even had a nice honeymoon period with t
Speaker 4: O back in the day. Now that was really old
Speaker 4: t O.
Speaker 1: But if I'm just connecting it, but people forget how
Speaker 1: freaking good Teo was that when he was thirty six
Speaker 1: and thirty seven in Buffalo and Cincinnati for those one years,
Speaker 1: it was like he was still sneaky kind of awesome.
Speaker 2: I just remember how good he was on Jerry Rice Day.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and like jillly Off, he was a perfect
Speaker 1: so to me, he seems like the more low key,
Speaker 1: maybe passive aggressive too Amari Cooper. But I'll say that
Speaker 1: all to the point that I think it'll work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very passive aggressive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he was just aggressive aggressive occasionally.
Speaker 3: But yes, I love how you're existing in multiple time
Speaker 3: zones at one time as you're sitting there still connecting
Speaker 3: these dots like that's incredibly impressive.
Speaker 1: Now, if we trust next gen stats average separation as
Speaker 1: a meaningful stat which I'm.
Speaker 2: Not sure you not trust it.
Speaker 4: What's happened that's that I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: I think it really is dependent on scheme, team season.
Speaker 1: There's a lot that I think goes into it. But
Speaker 1: for what it's worth, Marik Cooper average separation this year
Speaker 1: is higher than it's been since twenty eighteen.
Speaker 3: He's certainly separated from the Browns.
Speaker 4: There you go.
Speaker 1: Twenty two million dollars in dead money on the Browns
Speaker 1: books for next year for a Mari Cooper. So everyone
Speaker 1: who's saying, hey, they did a great job, they gave
Speaker 1: up a fifth for a mari Cooper, you got so
Speaker 1: much value out of him, Absolutely true. Like the the
Speaker 1: analytical way to look at this was they they did
Speaker 1: a great job with this quote unquote asset and they
Speaker 1: got a third round pick back here and that that's solid.
Speaker 1: But they still do have Deshaun Watson and a Marii
Speaker 1: Cooper on the books next year for one hundred million
Speaker 1: dollars and I don't think either of them are going
Speaker 1: to be helping that team. So that's like, from a
Speaker 1: Brown's perspective, it did make me think, oh, where are
Speaker 1: Like they're in a They're in a weird spot right now,
Speaker 1: They're one in five? Are they going to go into
Speaker 1: full tank mode? If you were going into full tank mode?
Speaker 1: Is that a reason to keep playing Deshaun Watson. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, like, would you not want Jameis Winston to
Speaker 1: go in there and get wins.
Speaker 2: I would start jams Winston And.
Speaker 1: It's craven and it's like calculated and it's cynical, like
Speaker 1: if they would make Deshaun Watson keep playing in order
Speaker 1: to lose. But this is the team that ignored everything
Speaker 1: about Deshaun Watson to sign Deshaun Watson so I don't know.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't put anything bast to this organization.
Speaker 3: Two more quick, very quick points I want to make
Speaker 3: on the bills too. Still, one of the biggest concerns
Speaker 3: I have with them is something that's popped up all year,
Speaker 3: And I love that they made this move, even though
Speaker 3: it quietly wasn't necessarily their biggest need, which was a
Speaker 3: getting some defensive backs back healthy. Tarron Johnson really settled
Speaker 3: in and made that huge play and Monday Night at
Speaker 3: the end of the game. But then also they allowed
Speaker 3: fifteen non penalty plays of ten plus yards. A lot
Speaker 3: of that is struggling to tackle in the defensive backfield.
Speaker 3: A lot of that is just these holes that are
Speaker 3: happening against this Bobby Babitch Sean McDermott defense. And so
Speaker 3: but what I love on the counter, what I love
Speaker 3: about this team is that they were like, all right, well,
Speaker 3: we're just going to not play close games anymore. We're
Speaker 3: going to try to do whatever we can to lean
Speaker 3: into this identity with and be a running team with multiplicity,
Speaker 3: but also find a player. Go go out and get
Speaker 3: a player, not necessarily one of our larger needs, but
Speaker 3: a player who we know is going to shift coverage
Speaker 3: after we've faced this difficult reality about our current receiver Gore,
Speaker 3: We're just not going to play close games anymore. Solves
Speaker 3: a lot of problems at once because they can play
Speaker 3: ball control with their run game. They also won't necessarily
Speaker 3: need to depend on their kicker as much.
Speaker 1: They need to get a new kicker. Tyler Bass is
Speaker 1: missing kicks for a while. He's had a nice run
Speaker 1: in Buffalo, but sometimes the run is just over. It's interesting.
Speaker 1: You don't think it's one of their bigger needs.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 3: No, No, I do think it was one of their
Speaker 3: bigger needs. I'm just saying my greater concern watching this
Speaker 3: defense can just be overly porous at the back seven
Speaker 3: step other teams in games. I do think receive. Like
Speaker 3: I said at the very top of this, I do
Speaker 3: think facing that truth about how teams were playing their receiver,
Speaker 3: going out and giving a getting a coverage dictation guy,
Speaker 3: that was really crucial.
Speaker 1: They are the number three offense according to d VA
Speaker 1: after six weeks, so it's not like they've been struggling offensively,
Speaker 1: but I think the hides of the first three weeks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they bills are something that will change. They will change
Speaker 1: in Amari Cooper. Yeah, Amari Cooper is going to help
Speaker 1: them out a lot. It all makes a little more sense.
Speaker 1: Shakir and Kincaid as a two and a three, and
Speaker 1: then the other receivers now just kind of helping out
Speaker 1: his role players, Kean Coleman a little less Mac Collins.
Speaker 1: That play by Mac Collins might have been just like
Speaker 1: the Mic Williams play was like the one you remember
Speaker 1: that played by Mike Collins where he didn't flatten out
Speaker 1: and couldn't get the touchdown. It was like, Okay, we
Speaker 1: need to bring in Amark Cooper. And it was a
Speaker 1: great response because I don't think there's any wide receivers
Speaker 1: else available. That might have been why they responded so quickly.
Speaker 1: It was like DeVante and Cooper. I went and tried
Speaker 1: to look to come up with who could be available
Speaker 1: at wide receiver. Christian Kirk maybe huh, he's doue a
Speaker 1: lot of money. But Christian Kirk maybe Tyreek Hill in
Speaker 1: a different world where he things get wild. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: doesn't think so. He likes Miami Deontay Johnson. The band
Speaker 1: Panthers say they're not going to trade Deontay Johnson and
Speaker 1: they want to sign him long term, which makes sense
Speaker 1: to me, but he could be someone not many people available.
Speaker 1: All right, one more big item today were was the Steelers.
Speaker 1: Now it's not official. Mike Tomlin is not saying that
Speaker 1: he's going to start Russell Wilson on Sunday against the Jets.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's almost like when people come up with
Speaker 1: conspiracies the fact that this game is the Sunday night
Speaker 1: football game, like.
Speaker 4: NBC did it again.
Speaker 1: You're getting Russell Wilson versus Davante Adams Steelers Jets.
Speaker 4: That is awesome.
Speaker 1: Let's listen to Mike Tomlin basically justifying a quarterback change,
Speaker 1: even though for now he won't announce a quarterback change.
Speaker 1: R Ian Rappaport says Russell Wilson will be getting first
Speaker 1: team reps and that the change is coming.
Speaker 4: Let's listen to Tomlin.
Speaker 9: Justin has been really good, and we've been really good
Speaker 9: at times, but not to be confused with great man.
Speaker 9: This is a competitive league, man. We're trying to position
Speaker 9: ourselves to be that team, and we got a player
Speaker 9: with talent we hadn't had an opportunity to play, so
Speaker 9: we're going to potentially explore those things. Sometimes it doesn't
Speaker 9: necessarily have anything to do with what Justin has done
Speaker 9: or has not done.
Speaker 4: I don't like this move.
Speaker 1: No, I think Justin Fields has played better this season
Speaker 1: than Russell Wilson has played since twenty twenty. Now you
Speaker 1: can look at Russell Wilson stats in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: In that six season, though, I remember that he was
Speaker 1: not playing that well despite the stats, So at the worst,
Speaker 1: it's better than he's played in a couple of years.
Speaker 1: I think he's made the surroundings look better than they
Speaker 1: really are. Justin Fields, that is, so I'm really surprised
Speaker 1: by this news.
Speaker 4: Jordan, what do you think.
Speaker 3: I'm surprised by it as well, because I thought that
Speaker 3: Justin Fields, even though it's not always pretty and sometimes
Speaker 3: he takes a step back and then a couple steps forward,
Speaker 3: and you know, he still to me, feels like he's
Speaker 3: able to play the style of football that Art Smith
Speaker 3: wants to play. And it was interesting. I'm looking for
Speaker 3: it right now. I'm scrolling on my laptop here. I'm looking.
Speaker 3: There was some things that came out a couple weeks
Speaker 3: ago and even last week in the building, not just
Speaker 3: from comments that Art Smith made enthusiastic about coaching Justin Fields,
Speaker 3: but also players talking about have they liked playing with him?
Speaker 3: So there seems to be there's a subtext here that
Speaker 3: I'm not quite understanding. I'm certainly not understand why this
Speaker 3: is happening. Now, Ye're not alone.
Speaker 2: I must be missing something not understanding. It's so curious
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 5: At first, I just thought it was kind of almost
Speaker 5: like a bit that Tomlin was doing.
Speaker 1: I did too, to be honest. I thought, there's no
Speaker 1: way he's going to make this move.
Speaker 5: The Steelers are foreign too with fields and fields has
Speaker 5: I mean even the X factor of his legs. And
Speaker 5: I know Russell Wilson is known for that as well,
Speaker 5: but Justin Fields is different with it. And Mike Tomlin
Speaker 5: was even asked about it, uh, and he said, like,
Speaker 5: you know, if Wilson has the same capability to use
Speaker 5: his legs as Fields and Tomlin said, no, Justin's legs
Speaker 5: are the X factor and it remains to be seen
Speaker 5: how the offense would change with Wilson. And then he said,
Speaker 5: I think that's one of the cute things about this discussion.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, Mike Tomlin is just messing.
Speaker 1: With all of us or what well, Plus he had
Speaker 1: that press conference after Ian had put that report out,
Speaker 1: and then he did you know, Tomlin did not say
Speaker 1: that Russell Wilson's the stuff, that they'll both, they'll look
Speaker 1: at them both, and that he could use them.
Speaker 2: They will play both.
Speaker 1: I think they could use a package of Justin Fields
Speaker 1: potentially in the red zone. Would not surprise me. It
Speaker 1: would kind of make sense if both quarterbacks were on
Speaker 1: board with that, and that would make this move less annoying,
Speaker 1: But it would still be annoying to me.
Speaker 3: This is Brian Botko, who covers the team for PG
Speaker 3: Sports Now. So if the Post Gazette out there in Pittsburgh,
Speaker 3: I found the quote, so Steeleer. This is his verbatim
Speaker 3: from his post on social media. Steelers OC Arthur Smith
Speaker 3: says he's really enjoyed working with Justin Fields.
Speaker 4: Quote.
Speaker 3: There's no drama to him. He doesn't try to live
Speaker 3: through his avatar or create a perception. That's probably why
Speaker 3: he was so endearing to his teammates in Chicago. Extremely coachable,
Speaker 3: extremely bright. Brian Botco goes on to say Arthur Smith
Speaker 3: also praised Justin Fields when it comes to his work ethic.
Speaker 3: Same thing as a play caller. You get in this business,
Speaker 3: people start making excuses, rationalizing, put whatever they want on
Speaker 3: social media or makes sure narratives get leaked out. He's
Speaker 3: old school.
Speaker 2: Well, so was that first one just a veiled shot? Yes,
Speaker 2: I am.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I'm double checking, ma sure that
Speaker 3: this account is real. I know, Brian, but like that
Speaker 3: because when I saw that, that's a good one and
Speaker 3: that was from October tenth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Justin Fields is coming off what I would
Speaker 1: say is his worst game as a starter, So it's
Speaker 1: it's funny. I did see some Steelers accounts on Sunday
Speaker 1: saying I wonder if this performance might make Mike Tomlin
Speaker 1: think about it, because Mike Tomlin seems like he's had
Speaker 1: a loyalty to Russell Wilson that hasn't been earned by
Speaker 1: playing experience with him, but more by their relationship. There's
Speaker 1: been some reporting alluding to almost that when he met
Speaker 1: with Russell Wilson, it was almost like a promise like
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you a chance to restart your career,
Speaker 1: and that they had a connection there on a personal
Speaker 1: level and almost that Tomlin, I don't know if he
Speaker 1: feels bad that just hasn't.
Speaker 4: Worked out for Russell Wilson. I'm not saying in his career.
Speaker 1: I mean that he got injured and he felt like
Speaker 1: he almost owed it to Russell Wilson to give him
Speaker 1: a chance. Because a lot of the Beat reporters, not
Speaker 1: the national guys, were saying all along that this was
Speaker 1: going to happen, and they've been proven right.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't get it. I don't understand it.
Speaker 5: I mean, maybe we will get the answer, yeah, and
Speaker 5: Russell Wilson will look great in this offense, and then
Speaker 5: we'll understand what Tomlin has been talking about this whole time.
Speaker 4: But I just.
Speaker 2: Don't know why we're doing it here now.
Speaker 1: It is very surprising. We wrap up the news just
Speaker 1: telling you where we will all hopefully be in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty eight, which is Atlanta at the Super Bowl, Atlanta
Speaker 1: hosting Super Bowl sixty two. Now I think I can
Speaker 1: read Roman numerals sixty two. We're going back to Atlanta hopefully. Again,
Speaker 1: no one knows if we're going to be on this
Speaker 1: earth by that point of course, Like as Kyle Shanahan
Speaker 1: likes to say, or more, how I was thinking, if
Speaker 1: we're going to still have the opportunity. You can't take
Speaker 1: these things for granted. But I hope to be there Atlanta.
Speaker 1: The first time round was fun.
Speaker 2: I loved it.
Speaker 8: I liked it.
Speaker 5: The music scene is great. It was a great stadium
Speaker 5: to be in. But I mean, we don't even know
Speaker 5: if we'll be here tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Greg, that is absolutely right, which is a reminder why
Speaker 1: we should go to break so we can make sure
Speaker 1: we get this stuff that will change.
Speaker 4: Segment is swaffle House thang in a second, Oh Waffles,
Speaker 4: that'll be there, that never goes.
Speaker 1: Away back on NFL daily. And in the time that
Speaker 1: we went on break, we all survived.
Speaker 3: We're still hereted.
Speaker 1: But unfortunately Marcus Valdez Scantley's employment with the Buffalo Bills
Speaker 1: did not survive, so that the news which would have
Speaker 1: been part of that whole Bills conversation, that we learned
Speaker 1: a free agent pickup that did.
Speaker 4: Not work out.
Speaker 2: Things that will change.
Speaker 4: Yes, for the Bills.
Speaker 3: Market still was right. The Bills roster still did change.
Speaker 1: From you were so right, you were you were presciate.
Speaker 1: Were you annoyed actually that they stepped on you? Looking
Speaker 1: very smart because if we had done this show yesterday
Speaker 1: that the Bill's roster would change and Amari Cooper was
Speaker 1: traded the day after to the Bills.
Speaker 4: That's a win. As a podcaster, that's a win.
Speaker 3: I am not you, Greg, but I think you're projecting
Speaker 3: just yi.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on with you guys.
Speaker 4: That was the news. There a little bit of a
Speaker 4: other housekeeping. Tom Brady's officially a limited partner of the
Speaker 4: Oh good for him, we expected that.
Speaker 2: And Richard finally a win for Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: Tom Brady owns five percent of the team, Richard Seymour
Speaker 1: owns point five percent of the team, and then one
Speaker 1: of Brady's business partners owns another five percent, so that
Speaker 1: actually adds up to a lot ten and a half percent.
Speaker 1: That's not that's not nothing. That's not like when they
Speaker 1: gave Serena and Venus Williams like pointo one percent of
Speaker 1: the Dolphins along with Gloria Estefan.
Speaker 4: I don't know if that is still a thing.
Speaker 1: That if you go to the Dolphins WinSite and you
Speaker 1: looked at the owner web page, it always had a
Speaker 1: picture of Gloria Estefan.
Speaker 2: I always thought it was as a Estefan or a.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I always thought it was estefan.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I don't know. I'm not the person
Speaker 1: to ask about correct pronunciations. Let's talk about stuff that
Speaker 1: will change. Okay, it was in my head because we
Speaker 1: just get to this point in the season. We think
Speaker 1: we know something about the NFL, and I just look
Speaker 1: at the NFL as a seasonal sport where November is
Speaker 1: going to be totally different than October.
Speaker 4: December is going to be totally different.
Speaker 1: You want to be peaking at the right time, but
Speaker 1: some of the things that we believe to be true
Speaker 1: now will no longer be true as we get further
Speaker 1: into the season.
Speaker 4: What is something that will change? Colleen Wolf, the.
Speaker 5: Bear's hype, the Bears, y will will It's at a
Speaker 5: boil right now. It's going to come down to a simmer.
Speaker 5: The Caleb Williams hysteria that's probably never going to subside.
Speaker 2: Because I was.
Speaker 1: Going to make the second one. I'm not buying it,
Speaker 1: like stuff that has hypened. But I didn't want everyone
Speaker 1: to have to go negative all the time. But then
Speaker 1: you just came hard negative.
Speaker 4: Well I just like that.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, okay, it's not negative in I have a
Speaker 5: reason for this, because.
Speaker 4: I say, you don't like hype them are.
Speaker 5: No, no, because of their remaining schedule. They still have
Speaker 5: to play all of their division games. They have to
Speaker 5: play the Vikings twice, who are first in defensive DVA.
Speaker 5: They have to play the Lions twice, who are fourth
Speaker 5: in defensive DVA, the Niners who are fifth in defensive DVOA,
Speaker 5: obviously the Packers, They have the Commanders, the Seahawks, and
Speaker 5: then like the Patriots and Cardinals. But this schedule is
Speaker 5: an absolute gauntlet the NFC North in general. It's the
Speaker 5: first division since the merger to have every team with
Speaker 5: at least four wins through Week six.
Speaker 2: It's a killer.
Speaker 5: So yes, I think that Caleb Williams deserves all all
Speaker 5: of the accolades and all of the love that he's
Speaker 5: getting right now because he played a great game and
Speaker 5: he threw some absolutely beautiful balls and placed them where
Speaker 5: only he could for his receivers to get them and score,
Speaker 5: especially that one to Keenan Allen the second touchdown. Maybe
Speaker 5: that was his best pass of the entire season. But
Speaker 5: the hype is going to diminish a bit because the
Speaker 5: schedule's really, really difficult.
Speaker 4: Okay, so it's just more about the schedule.
Speaker 1: I think that's true of this, so we can kind
Speaker 1: of combine ours, because yeah, mine was the NFC North
Speaker 1: in general being this good. And part of the reason
Speaker 1: that they have the top four teams in terms of
Speaker 1: point differential for the first time ever through six weeks
Speaker 1: is they haven't played each other at all. So that's
Speaker 1: just like a quirk in the schedule. But you're right,
Speaker 1: other than the Vikings, who have somehow gone undefeated despite
Speaker 1: playing like a brutally different.
Speaker 2: I mean, Donald didn't really look that great.
Speaker 7: No, No, I mean it is funny part back Island.
Speaker 7: We're gonna have to have another country, right. It is
Speaker 7: funny that they have the number one defense in all stats.
Speaker 7: They have the number one like running game in a
Speaker 7: lot of difference stats like their passing games like solid
Speaker 7: and Sam Darnold still gets all the credit.
Speaker 2: But I can't wait until they go to the Bowl.
Speaker 2: We're like, I still am not buying the Vikings loved.
Speaker 3: I have loved how a steady and consistent Brian Flores's
Speaker 3: defense has looked. I think that defense, unlike probably some
Speaker 3: like for example, the Bears defense, gives me a little
Speaker 3: bit of pause when you talk about being built to
Speaker 3: play when it gets way colder, when teams are running
Speaker 3: them all more when they're running heavier against you. But
Speaker 3: I think that Brian Flores and that defense has showed
Speaker 3: even though we are we talk so much about the
Speaker 3: crazy pressures and those types of things. I think that
Speaker 3: he is malleable enough and flexible enough. And Jeff Hafley's
Speaker 3: defense is starting to look pretty good as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that was actually part of my.
Speaker 1: Reasoning that the NFC North can't stay this good this long,
Speaker 1: is that they have seventeen turnovers this year. They forced
Speaker 1: seventeen turnovers, and that was an idea that they talked
Speaker 1: about in the offseason, So maybe you can really coach
Speaker 1: up turnovers, but that feels unsustainable. They actually have some
Speaker 1: pretty big holes, I would say in their defense. Their
Speaker 1: pass rus really hasn't worked. They're starting to play more
Speaker 1: rookies on their defense, and I think that could help
Speaker 1: them long term. But secondary line dogger. I think they
Speaker 1: have holes on every level, but it's been covered up
Speaker 1: by just this crazy turnover rate. And so that's part
Speaker 1: of the NFC North equation. The schedule was a big
Speaker 1: part of it. Though, So the Bears have had the
Speaker 1: thirty first the second easiest scheduled league so far, and
Speaker 1: they go to the hardest schedule in the league moving forward.
Speaker 5: That's kind of great though for k Lys to kind
Speaker 5: of ease him in because it is unfair to him.
Speaker 5: It's not like he can control all of the attention
Speaker 5: that he's getting, and he needs time to grow and develop.
Speaker 4: No, and he's going to be the next three weeks.
Speaker 1: They have the Commanders, which you know for an offense,
Speaker 1: is not a hard matchup, and then the Patriots and
Speaker 1: the Cardinals, so two like three of the worst defenses
Speaker 1: in the league in a row, so they could really
Speaker 1: keep getting fat and then it gets brutal. But they're
Speaker 1: not the only team where it's similar to that. The
Speaker 1: Lions have had the twentieth schedule in the league, like
Speaker 1: you know, easy, they're gonna have the second hardest moving forward.
Speaker 1: The Packers have been right in the middle of the
Speaker 1: pack so far, the third hardest moving forward. Now part
Speaker 1: of that is just like everyone's got to play the Vikings,
Speaker 1: and the Vikings are alowede. I think the Lions can
Speaker 1: withstand and hold up. I think the Packers need to
Speaker 1: keep getting better, and they are a team that you
Speaker 1: would believe will but I do think their defense might
Speaker 1: be a little unsustainable and it's hard. How can four
Speaker 1: Can we really have four good teams in the same division?
Speaker 1: Maybe we can maybe have four teams over five hundred.
Speaker 1: It's pretty excited.
Speaker 2: Lions are the best team in the NFC.
Speaker 5: And then I mean when they the Packers, as long
Speaker 5: as they have a healthy Jordan Love, they're going to
Speaker 5: be relevant. And obviously Sam Darnold and those Vikings are
Speaker 5: five and zero.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is such a good division. It's more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: A big part of it is just they're gonna have
Speaker 1: to start facing each other. And they lucked out in
Speaker 1: the scheduling just what divisions they had to play. We
Speaker 1: thought the AFC South is going to be improved this
Speaker 1: year and it's it's not. And so that's really helped
Speaker 1: them as an out of division schedule. What do you
Speaker 1: got next, Jordan, You give me something that'll change.
Speaker 3: One thing that I think will change is Jerry Jones's
Speaker 3: general demeanor and vibe with a certain Dallas radio station,
Speaker 3: his regular one oh five three the Fan, So he
Speaker 3: does this regularly all throughout the season and offseason. That
Speaker 3: interview got extremely heated, and we do have the audio
Speaker 3: of that.
Speaker 8: Your job and to let me go over all the
Speaker 8: reasons that I did something and I'm sorry that I
Speaker 8: did it. That's not your job. Well, my job is
Speaker 8: to ask one job, or I'll get another. I'll get
Speaker 8: somebody else to ask these questions.
Speaker 5: Man, Arry Jones will fire you even if he doesn't
Speaker 5: work for the company.
Speaker 2: Does he own the company?
Speaker 1: Well, your partners, if you're if they're your radio partner.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like does NBC work for the NFL.
Speaker 1: Not exactly, but you know, there's it's a symbiotic relationship
Speaker 1: where they have influenced certainly on who's you know, hired
Speaker 1: and who is Yeah.
Speaker 3: And let's not forget how open and amenable he is
Speaker 3: generally to doing any interview anything.
Speaker 2: He loves the spotlightk Yeah.
Speaker 3: And even at league meetings today, a couple of the
Speaker 3: national reporters who were there, we're talking about how he
Speaker 3: walked in way later than he normally does and then
Speaker 3: politely declined to speak with media because he was going
Speaker 3: to be late for the meeting, even though he's always
Speaker 3: early and he always holds court for you know, even
Speaker 3: at times multiple hours. It's it's tough. He's going through
Speaker 3: it right now. It's not just that it was the
Speaker 3: lost to the Lions that we were just talking about
Speaker 3: on his eighty second birthday. It's not that they got
Speaker 3: blown out. It's that they lost to a team that
Speaker 3: has no issues shape shifting into a variety of different forms,
Speaker 3: who are essentially like comfortable just playing with their food
Speaker 3: at the end of the game as he sat there
Speaker 3: and watched. And it's also that the Cowboys feel like
Speaker 3: they're helmed by coaches and have structured their team who
Speaker 3: feel like the foundation and future. That the lines are
Speaker 3: helmed by coaches who feel like the foundation and future
Speaker 3: of a franchise, while the Cowboys sort of feel like
Speaker 3: lame ducks from a bygone era and they're struggling, the
Speaker 3: best players injured. The game's iced by your quarterback. You're
Speaker 3: asking to do everything at the line of scrimmage. You're
Speaker 3: still making throw blind into the sun because you can't
Speaker 3: put a curtain over the ceilings. It is, it is.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of things that are there's that are making.
Speaker 4: People there the side of the stadium.
Speaker 3: No, No, that's an option. There is one that exists
Speaker 3: that can be burts there.
Speaker 2: Very good.
Speaker 3: But I'm just saying there's a reason for him feeling
Speaker 3: like this right now, for bristling when people I think
Speaker 3: are fairly and rightfully questioning him for all of the
Speaker 3: either decisions they did make or the decisions they didn't make,
Speaker 3: including the lame duck situation that it feels like in
Speaker 3: so many areas of this franchise, inclusive to the coaching staff.
Speaker 2: I would be angry too.
Speaker 5: If my team couldn't run the ball, couldn't stop the run,
Speaker 5: I had no home field advantage, when before that was
Speaker 5: the main thing. There's no real identity. There's so many injuries.
Speaker 1: At every week. They're always like, we just got to
Speaker 1: practice better. Our practices haven't been great, and like mccarthiel
Speaker 1: say that too, and ooh and like those are your practices, bro?
Speaker 1: There are Their offensive line, though, is the beginning of
Speaker 1: It's why I don't think they have a very like
Speaker 1: even if everything went right the rest of the year, Zimmer,
Speaker 1: I think their defense begin things that could change. Like
Speaker 1: if you told me that their defense is average or
Speaker 1: better in December, I wouldn't be shocked.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're missing so many.
Speaker 1: They're missing so many people, and it's a new system,
Speaker 1: and it's a coaching stat a coach that hasn't been
Speaker 1: in the league for a minute his system. I could
Speaker 1: see that that there's a room for improvement. I think
Speaker 1: the offensive line might be cooked. Zach Martin is a
Speaker 1: is a problem for them right now. He's a future
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer coming off the worst game I think
Speaker 1: of his career. Some people are wondering if he's fully healthy.
Speaker 1: But whatever it is, they've probably got four week spots
Speaker 1: right now on an offensive line that used to be
Speaker 1: what they were all about, and now they've got Tyler Smith.
Speaker 1: He's a really good player, and four problem areas and
Speaker 1: that's something I don't know if there's a solution.
Speaker 3: Don't you think the optics of this though? Are what
Speaker 3: I was texting you a little bit about this over
Speaker 3: the weekend with in reference to another another coach is
Speaker 3: like in another building, It's like, don't you think the
Speaker 3: optics here? This is you lose to this team, not
Speaker 3: just that you're that you lose lose, but you lose
Speaker 3: to this team that they are doing whatever they want
Speaker 3: to do against you from a variety of different and ideas.
Speaker 3: And then there's all these cuts to the sideline of
Speaker 3: this young, younger, energetic and galvanizing head coach who clearly
Speaker 3: has his entire team just like a good call everything
Speaker 3: or not, and then cuts to the the hot shot
Speaker 3: offensive coordinator on the side of the screen who's basically
Speaker 3: like one of my plays off this play card and
Speaker 3: try to just get a touchdown to an offensive lineman
Speaker 3: and literally play with this food. And there's camera shots
Speaker 3: to this guy who is the future of this league
Speaker 3: on the sideline, and you're sitting there in your box
Speaker 3: looking freaking miserable, like I think the optics have to
Speaker 3: be bothering him.
Speaker 2: What a terrible birthday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that that it was the most
Speaker 1: embarrassing loss you could have. I mean, I don't think
Speaker 1: it helps if we're going that far that a long
Speaker 1: time Dallas Cowboys captain is coaching the Lions. Not only that,
Speaker 1: but he was the protege of the guy that you
Speaker 1: supposedly have been pining over forever, Sean Payton, and you
Speaker 1: miss me.
Speaker 3: Yes, there's a layers anyway, that's the reason for the town.
Speaker 1: Okay, I love that. All right, let's go around one
Speaker 1: more time quickly. Stuff that will.
Speaker 5: Okay, change the Bengals will rise from the dead like that.
Speaker 5: They are sub five hundred right now. But they are
Speaker 5: just too good. Joe Burrow's too good. They're eighth in
Speaker 5: offensive DVOA. I mean, the offense is tenth and scoring
Speaker 5: twelve and yards per game, and that's doing it without
Speaker 5: t Higgins for every single game.
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe the defense, maybe this was a turning point.
Speaker 5: I know that they were playing the Giants, but maybe
Speaker 5: this is just good for an ego boost at this point.
Speaker 2: Even marginally better.
Speaker 5: For the Bengals defense would be an improvement. And their
Speaker 5: schedule they have some softballs coming up. I mean, they
Speaker 5: have the Raiders, they have the Browns twice, the Titans,
Speaker 5: who are a good defense though, the Cowboys, the Eagles,
Speaker 5: which we just don't know what those.
Speaker 4: Teams are now look like food.
Speaker 2: It's so weird.
Speaker 5: So you know, if the Steelers start messing around with
Speaker 5: Russell Wilson and then losing games, then the Bengals could
Speaker 5: probably chase them at the end of the season.
Speaker 8: Love.
Speaker 1: That makes total sense to me. The Westling brothers and
Speaker 1: I were texting over the weekend. Everyone is getting more
Speaker 1: optimistic about the Bengals already.
Speaker 4: I think it's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna find a glimmer of hope here in what
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert did over the weekend to the Broncos and
Speaker 1: say Justin Herbert is not going to be playing conservative
Speaker 1: ball for the rest of the year. That the real
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert is gonna come out. He's going to be
Speaker 1: allowed to come out from Jim Harbaugh. What a celebration
Speaker 1: in this game. Yes, he's just like a beautiful little butterfly.
Speaker 1: He's ready to come out of his cocoon.
Speaker 4: Ooh. I like that.
Speaker 1: He could be a candidate in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: So they've had him under lock and key part of
Speaker 1: it is the mindset of how they want to play offense.
Speaker 1: But I think the bigger part of it is he
Speaker 1: was just so injured that bye week was really important
Speaker 1: for him.
Speaker 4: And I think it really showed up on film.
Speaker 1: This last week not only that he was a different player,
Speaker 1: but that they treated him like a different player. So
Speaker 1: more dropbacks, more yards, more plays outside the pocket, more
Speaker 1: planting his feet and going down the field, more mid
Speaker 1: range throws, more deep throws.
Speaker 4: It just looked like Justin Herbert again.
Speaker 1: So I think people maybe attributed so much of the
Speaker 1: beginning of the year to all the Chargers are just
Speaker 1: going to play this really boring style.
Speaker 4: That was part of it.
Speaker 1: But I think it was just he was so banged
Speaker 1: up and now we're going to see the real Justine
Speaker 1: for him.
Speaker 2: But I really love it for you, Greg, Yes, I
Speaker 2: didn't need much.
Speaker 3: It's bringing you back to life after your travels. I
Speaker 3: think it's lovely.
Speaker 2: It's re animating Greg, all right, wrap us up.
Speaker 4: Jordan, yeah quickly.
Speaker 3: I do think so. I don't want to undermine or
Speaker 3: under sell like how brutal this aiden Hutchinson losses. First
Speaker 3: of all, horrific to watch, hate it for that young man,
Speaker 3: for the entire team, for the organization, for his long
Speaker 3: journey ahead. But actually, after they sort of emotionally recover
Speaker 3: from this situation, I still think this defense will ultimately
Speaker 3: keep ascending. And so the initial panic that everyone's feeling
Speaker 3: right now because of the severity of that situation, and
Speaker 3: of course you're losing the top pass rusher in the
Speaker 3: league right now, but after that subsides. I think that
Speaker 3: then you'll start to feel some hope and optimism about
Speaker 3: this defense, because every single week they're growing. I think
Speaker 3: they have the ability on the interior of their defensive
Speaker 3: line to sort of change around the identity one of
Speaker 3: their guys. A couple of their players actually have some
Speaker 3: position flex where you could pop them out a little
Speaker 3: bit wider. And they're also getting good pressure. They are,
Speaker 3: you know, seventeen and sixteen pressures between on Uzourique and
Speaker 3: Alim McNeil and respectively, which is eleventh and fourteenth amongth
Speaker 3: interior defensive line. And you can actually manufacture a little
Speaker 3: bit more pressure coming from that area. And as you
Speaker 3: see this secondary start to come to life, start to
Speaker 3: settle in, I think Brian Branch in an age right
Speaker 3: now that we're in that is becoming truly golden for
Speaker 3: safety play where these safeties can do everything. They are
Speaker 3: letting Brian Branch do everything, and he is showing up.
Speaker 3: I really have faith in Aaron Glenn as a defensive coordinator,
Speaker 3: and I think he'll keep this group on track and
Speaker 3: ascending into what is gonna is about to be a
Speaker 3: very difficult backstretch for the entire NFC North.
Speaker 1: It's a good call because he's very creative at making
Speaker 1: up for what they're missing. And yeah, I don't want
Speaker 1: to hear that they're under talented because they've poured a
Speaker 1: lot of resources, a lot of draft picks, a lot
Speaker 1: of money into that defense. Such a good job, right,
Speaker 1: and so they can scheme around it. I also think
Speaker 1: they might add someone, you know, the next couple.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could so well they did. They picked something
Speaker 3: fun pass Rusher, Yeah, they picked.
Speaker 4: I think that would make a lot of sense.
Speaker 3: No, yeah, I do think so as well. And they
Speaker 3: also picked up I'm gonna have to go back and
Speaker 3: look at it. They're they're scouring practice squads for depth
Speaker 3: for rotational outside linebackers.
Speaker 1: So maybe like a bigger name like a Reddick, they
Speaker 1: would make sense for I did look for some potential
Speaker 1: trade cans. We might do a whole show on this
Speaker 1: later in the month, but just for now.
Speaker 3: Just do it now, I see, Yeah, what time are
Speaker 3: we at?
Speaker 1: I think is Jeffrey Simmons ever going to be available?
Speaker 1: Harold Landry, Jadevian Clowney, Chase Young maybe from the Saints
Speaker 1: if they bought him out. That The trick is, you
Speaker 1: got to find a team that's bottom. Now, Zadaria Smith
Speaker 1: I think would make a lot of sense from the
Speaker 1: Brown So just someone. I think the Lions will probably
Speaker 1: add someone at some point. All Right, we're gonna take
Speaker 1: one quick break and then we will wrap up talking
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Speaker 1: I was so excited about Broncos Saints a few weeks ago.
Speaker 1: I'm still really excited, but in a different way. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: it's a little ghoulish. It's it's just wondering what could
Speaker 1: happen if the Saints don't win this Gameronco's coming in
Speaker 1: after a humbling performance of their own where they were
Speaker 1: down twenty three to nothing. They made it look a
Speaker 1: little better at the end against the Chargers, but that
Speaker 1: was a little bit of a comeback to earth game
Speaker 1: for them after a week in Denver where I was
Speaker 1: following a lot of these Broncos beat writers and they're like,
Speaker 1: here's why the Broncos are going to make the playoffs
Speaker 1: out I was thinking, oh, hold on, then again, Colleen,
Speaker 1: they could very easily be four and three after this
Speaker 1: week because they are playing a Saints team that has
Speaker 1: injuries just everywhere, not just three offensive linemen, not just
Speaker 1: Chris o'lovey, which I mentioned on the Monday night recap
Speaker 1: show with Nick Schook. Rashid Shad is very possibly missing
Speaker 1: this game with a knee injury. So we're talking about
Speaker 1: Spencer Rattler throwing to bub Means and Cedric Wilson as
Speaker 1: his top wideouts against a great defense.
Speaker 3: Which combination. Yeah, Spencer Ratler to Bob me Yeah, I
Speaker 3: love that.
Speaker 4: And it kind of worked on Sunday.
Speaker 1: Actually there was bub Means his first real action as
Speaker 1: a and it was one of those things where those
Speaker 1: two guys are throwing to each other a lot in
Speaker 1: training camp as like the third stringers, and now they're
Speaker 1: starting and Rattler overall looked good in the first Interesting, Now,
Speaker 1: this is a Broncos defense that will probably not have
Speaker 1: Patrick certain who also suffered a concussion on Sunday, so
Speaker 1: that's unfortunate. But they're gonna throw a lot of blitzes
Speaker 1: at a bad Saints offensive line in a rookie quarterback.
Speaker 4: That's a tough recipe for the Saints.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I was just looking at the fact that you have
Speaker 5: two rookie quarterbacks starting, and then two key players in
Speaker 5: concussion protocol, one on each team in Certain and Chris Alave.
Speaker 5: The Broncos offense has been tough to watch. They are
Speaker 5: really struggling, almost shut out at home. But Bonick's intercepted
Speaker 5: on his first attempt in that game just really set
Speaker 5: the tone for the rest of the day.
Speaker 3: They nixed the play really truly.
Speaker 5: Now they have no run game, no pop whatsoever. So
Speaker 5: it's either going to be a really good day for
Speaker 5: the Saints defen who just gave up fifty one points
Speaker 5: minus the one fumble return to the Bucks, or a
Speaker 5: really bad day for the Saints at home in a
Speaker 5: game that Sean Sean Payton Invitational.
Speaker 2: So it's it's gonna be tough.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't know if obviously on a short week with
Speaker 5: concussion protocol, I don't think that these guys will be
Speaker 5: available for the game.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't expect them to be.
Speaker 8: No.
Speaker 3: And yeah, Sean Payton, you know, and meeting New Orleans again,
Speaker 3: and he said earlier this week, you know, he's not
Speaker 3: expecting warm fuzzies, and but to be put you know,
Speaker 3: in the sense that he's expecting the Saints fan base
Speaker 3: to rise to the occasion like they so often do.
Speaker 3: And it's it's interesting because this could be a chaos
Speaker 3: game in oh. I love a game just great, sloppy
Speaker 3: but interesting ways. I mean, you're gonna see two young
Speaker 3: quarterbacks I think, really work through some stuff in real time.
Speaker 2: Right now.
Speaker 3: Spencer Ratler is dealing with an offensive line and particularly
Speaker 3: a center combination. They've had four different lineman play at
Speaker 3: least fifty snaps at center this season, which is the
Speaker 3: most of the NFL. In the NFL, they're rolling him
Speaker 3: out a lot where actually he's throwing the ball pretty
Speaker 3: well on these designed rollouts in order to sort of
Speaker 3: mitigate some of the extra pressure that he's seeing. Which
Speaker 3: you know that the Broncos, even minus Pat certain locking
Speaker 3: down so much area of the field, so you are
Speaker 3: able to send all these extra players and was playing
Speaker 3: at a defensive player of the Year candidcy candidacy profile
Speaker 3: to me, even without him, I think they're going to
Speaker 3: try to get after Spencer Ratler as much as they can.
Speaker 3: On the other side, I think the Saints are going
Speaker 3: to have to try to manufacture some stuff against Bonix
Speaker 3: as well. And the Saints defense is especially if Bonix
Speaker 3: goes on the move, they're kind of missing tackles in
Speaker 3: sketchy big spots right now.
Speaker 1: Their linebackers were terrible. That was a humbling loss for
Speaker 1: Dennis Allen and the Saints. Yeah, he's supposed to be
Speaker 1: a defense He is a defensive coach. He's been building
Speaker 1: this up. This was the whole vision of keeping Dennis Allen,
Speaker 1: who was the coordinator under Sean Payton for such a
Speaker 1: long time. At the end of Peyton's run, the vision was,
Speaker 1: we're going to keep this side of the ball as
Speaker 1: our steadying force and we'll figure it out.
Speaker 4: On offense, they obviously haven't.
Speaker 1: That's why they hired Clint Kubiak this offseason to run
Speaker 1: the offense. But now you're seeing some real decay on
Speaker 1: their defense. The secondary's very talented Marshawn Latimore is having
Speaker 1: a fantastic year. Overall, the secondary hasn't been their issue,
Speaker 1: but their linebacker play to Mario Davis is one of
Speaker 1: their best players. But it's almost like it got contagious.
Speaker 1: All their linebackers aren't making tackles. Cameron Jordan isn't as
Speaker 1: involved as he used to be in terms of playing
Speaker 1: and yeah, I mean this Bronco's The offensive line for
Speaker 1: the most part has been good this year, and if
Speaker 1: Dennis Allen gets embarrassed by like a rookie quarterback at
Speaker 1: home Sean Payton. It's an interesting organization in that I
Speaker 1: think Mickey Loomis has more power than just about any
Speaker 1: non owner in the NFL. Now that Pete Carroll and
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick are out of the league, I think something
Speaker 1: really drastic and dramatic would have to happen for him
Speaker 1: to really get the attention of his boss ownership.
Speaker 4: Losing to Sean Payton and I'll do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, losing to Sean Payton, and I don't think it
Speaker 1: would be something where it would ever be in the
Speaker 1: middle of the season. That just doesn't strike me as
Speaker 1: something the Saints would do, But it would be maybe
Speaker 1: the start of something of like, wow, this is not
Speaker 1: going well because frankly, I think they have the more
Speaker 1: talented rookie quarterback. I'm taking Spencer Radler long term over
Speaker 1: bow Nicks.
Speaker 4: Come at me.
Speaker 2: Are you taking the Saints this week?
Speaker 1: I think I will. I haven't thought about that yet.
Speaker 1: I guess we should part of this well. My official
Speaker 1: picks come on on game.
Speaker 4: Debut later in the week.
Speaker 1: By the way, ripped off a perfect record last week
Speaker 1: while I was over in No.
Speaker 4: Fourteen and oh, let's go, let's go.
Speaker 2: Good job.
Speaker 1: It was kind of a chalky week where some of
Speaker 1: a favorites rained. I'm still Cynthia still beating me, you know, overall,
Speaker 1: but good week.
Speaker 4: I think I would take them, just because I want
Speaker 4: to root for it.
Speaker 1: We're having the guys from the Saints Block Party podcast
Speaker 1: on live on YouTube after this game book that months ago,
Speaker 1: you know, thinking this is the game to have them.
Speaker 1: It's going to be crazy and I think it will
Speaker 1: be fun. So it's either going to be like a
Speaker 1: funeral for the Saints team because I think they become
Speaker 1: sellers at the trade deadline if they go to two
Speaker 1: and five here, But if they win their three and
Speaker 1: four and the division's not amazing, at least you're like
Speaker 1: still in the mix and you could hope that you
Speaker 1: get some players back healthy and get better as the
Speaker 1: course of the season goes on.
Speaker 3: I am going to pick the Broncos here. I am
Speaker 3: really looking forward to that live recap because win or lose.
Speaker 3: First of all, those guys have predicted so much of
Speaker 3: what's actually happened this season for the Saints. But also
Speaker 3: I loved when you had them on earlier because they
Speaker 3: just are so plugged into their team and they're also hilarious,
Speaker 3: and even if it's a chaos game like I'm personally
Speaker 3: hoping for, I can't wait to hear their thoughts about
Speaker 3: that and what the future of this team is looking
Speaker 3: moving forward. But yeah, I'm going to pick the Broncos
Speaker 3: in this. I think that Sean Payton, it's like, you know,
Speaker 3: just enough juice, you know, the old cyclist, you know
Speaker 3: who's in the Tour de France or whatever, and like
Speaker 3: you got just enough juice to do the one giant mountain,
Speaker 3: you know, and then you're then you're out.
Speaker 1: Like illegal substances that you're injecting into your body through
Speaker 1: like a complicated formula and whatnot.
Speaker 4: Or no, that's not what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: I don't mean that.
Speaker 4: No, I mean you say juice and you say cycling.
Speaker 2: That's what I think I'm taking the Saints.
Speaker 4: Okay, oh look at that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was what the face was for.
Speaker 4: Greg.
Speaker 3: I was not figuring out why you're making that face
Speaker 3: of me, And now I understand, got it.
Speaker 1: Saints and Broncos on Thursday night, I'm wondering, like, what
Speaker 1: is the points in this game. The Broncos are favored
Speaker 1: by two points on the road. I thought it might
Speaker 1: be by more.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but when you can't really throw the ball too
Speaker 4: well and.
Speaker 2: Your defense can't get off the field, I think.
Speaker 1: They will on Sunday, I mean on Thursday night rather
Speaker 1: they have a good defensive line. My heart is saying Saints,
Speaker 1: my head is saying Broncos. It's more important to lead
Speaker 1: with your heart, so I'll stick with them. That was
Speaker 1: this week's TNF preview, presented by Prime Video. Be sure
Speaker 1: to watch the Denver Broncos take on the New Orleans
Speaker 1: Saints this Thursday on Prime Video. Thanks for watching NFL Daily.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys to forgiving me that juice today.
Speaker 3: Oh you're welcome.
Speaker 4: Not cycling, not the nothing illegal about it.
Speaker 1: We will be back on Thursday with our preview show
Speaker 1: special guests this week. Stete Weis is still over in London,
Speaker 1: so joining Patrick Clayban and I will be none other
Speaker 1: than Brian Baldinger's on the show.
Speaker 2: That's great. That's gonna be so good.
Speaker 1: When you're talking about a tennis Allen team collapsing, you
Speaker 1: know football was backh