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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily or we're not waiting till November

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Speaker 1: to make some big trades.

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Speaker 2: Huh.

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Speaker 1: I'm here in the Chris Westling podcast studio with my

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Speaker 1: friends Colleen Wolf and Jordan Rodrigue of The Athletic and uh,

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Speaker 1: I'm just rolling around here. I'm losing my mind. Are

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Speaker 1: you on jet lag? I'm doing great? But uh I

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Speaker 1: told the NFL offices, I was like, give me, give

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Speaker 1: me a shot of adrenaline coming into this show. I

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Speaker 1: need the energy. So they made some big time trades happen.

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Speaker 3: Oh I did this? This was Greg? Greg. Can we

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Speaker 3: just talk about like how oppress of your schedule has

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Speaker 3: been over the last kind of the details?

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Speaker 4: Why you going?

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Speaker 3: We have Adams being traded, Shane, Greg, We.

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Speaker 5: Have Amari Cooper being traded functioning right now.

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Speaker 1: We have a TNF preview with Sean Payton.

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Speaker 5: But answer this, when did you when did you land?

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Speaker 5: When did you get back from London?

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Speaker 1: Like five o'clock or so. I was watching the first

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Speaker 1: quarter of the game on the on the way home.

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Speaker 1: We did the recap show last night.

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Speaker 2: You did the recap show.

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Speaker 4: We did the recap show. You haven't listened.

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Speaker 1: It's great analysis me and Nick Schuck. Yeah, we're back

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Speaker 1: with London. That's old news. That was that was what

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Speaker 1: forty eight hours.

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Speaker 5: A dangerous precedent for everyone else coming back from Internet.

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Speaker 4: I no, that was not the play.

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Speaker 3: I don't care. You're not gonna like that. I say this,

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, and close your ears if you need to.

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Speaker 3: But like watching you work over this last week because

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Speaker 3: you're also consuming other podcasts, you're also prepping for every

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Speaker 3: single daily show. I know you're He's like, he's shriveling

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Speaker 3: in embarrassment right now because he hates this, But like,

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Speaker 3: I am so amazed by what you just accomplished. Oh, Greg,

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Speaker 3: so thank you for like making the bar so high

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Speaker 3: for the rest of us that.

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Speaker 2: We can never I'm not really the world a belot.

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Speaker 3: No, But in all earnestness, Greg like, hell, yeah, dude,

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Speaker 3: you're great.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, coming back this side it, if I could

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Speaker 1: have scheduled the days differently, that would be.

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Speaker 3: That would be perfect hindsight. I hated the no.

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Speaker 1: No no, I loved it, but the sun the Sunday schedule,

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Speaker 1: doing the game at Tottenham to the Sky studios and

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Speaker 1: then doing this this show.

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Speaker 4: The NFL Daily Show, Deep into the Night.

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Speaker 1: That's one of the most fun days that that I'll

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Speaker 1: ever have working getting on a motorcycle you.

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Speaker 3: Go for next time one of our picture.

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Speaker 1: One of our one of our Shadowy League figures. Actually

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Speaker 1: I saw and you know, a couple of them have

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Speaker 1: come to me like we wouldn't have been bold enough

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Speaker 1: to get on get on that motorcycle, flying through traffic

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Speaker 1: to get the sky by the kickoff.

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Speaker 4: It was fun.

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Speaker 2: It's fun.

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Speaker 4: It was fun. I love that Colleen would have Definitely.

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Speaker 5: You're like Jason Bourne out Hire.

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Speaker 3: Colleen would have jumped off a building, parachuted into we're talking.

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Speaker 2: I totally would have. I wish I could someone bring

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Speaker 4: I I'm like Jason Bourne.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if Jason Bourne was like five six and one

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Speaker 1: hundred and forty pounds. Nothing will get you more conscious

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Speaker 1: of your size as a small man than watching Love

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Speaker 1: is Blind on your downloads on the way back from London.

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Speaker 1: It's just like everyone when they're about to see them,

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Speaker 4: We got to have Love is Blind. But it's just

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Speaker 4: like a bunch of.

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Speaker 1: Small guys scoring like statue esque women and see what happens.

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Speaker 1: Let's go and talk about some news. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I would kill it on Love is Blind by the way.

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Speaker 1: I would like win them over. And then then they'd

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Speaker 1: be like, what the hell? You know?

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Speaker 4: Who is happy with?

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Speaker 1: What was behind the door when they opened it up

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Speaker 1: this morning, Jets fans like, behind that Love Is Blind

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Speaker 1: door was a silhouette of Davante Adams. He arrived in

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Speaker 1: New York, New Jersey Monday night, maybe before the Monday

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Speaker 1: DeVante Adams has to be a first or second team

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Speaker 1: All Pro, both of which are very unlikely. The Jets

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Speaker 1: in week seven here, we're entering and Devanta Adams hasn't

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Speaker 1: you're probably not getting the second team All Pro. That

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Speaker 1: means they picked up a great receiver for the a

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Speaker 1: mid third round pick, Colleen, And yet like no one

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Speaker 1: seems happy about it. People say, oh, this is all

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Speaker 1: the Jets doing Jets things again.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, what am I missing? I think it's good.

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Speaker 4: I think it's smart.

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Speaker 5: It's great for us just from a sheer entertainment value.

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Speaker 5: I mean, him going to the Jets, there's no better

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Speaker 5: place he could have gone. This is amazing, going with

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Speaker 5: Aaron Rodgers in New York, with that media scene and

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Speaker 5: a team that's two and four.

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Speaker 2: The only thing that.

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Speaker 5: They're really winning right now is all of our attention,

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Speaker 5: and it seems to happen every single Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: It's very see you next Tuesday.

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Speaker 5: Of them the name of our text chain and yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's there's winners and losers on both sides.

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Speaker 5: And I feel like Garrett Wilson is both a winner

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Speaker 5: most targeted man in football and this will now sort

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Speaker 5: of things will ease up on him, but that will

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Speaker 5: maybe allow more opportunities for him to have positive plays.

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Speaker 5: But obviously he's not going to be the number one guy,

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Speaker 5: and how does that chemistry work in a locker room

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Speaker 5: that's filled with big personality.

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Speaker 1: He was complaining about what was going on in the

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Speaker 4: But I think it's ultimately positive.

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Speaker 1: Good point about the winners of this trade being see

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Speaker 1: you next Tuesday.

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Speaker 4: You know NFL Daylight.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even think about that the Robert Salad trade

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Speaker 1: was the last time that Robert salary. You're just gonna

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Speaker 4: But you're You're absolutely right that we were here for

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Speaker 1: And it is funny how after every crushing Jets loss,

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Speaker 1: now it's a fresh start, we're starting all over. It's

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Speaker 1: like that loss never even God.

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Speaker 5: It's like, you can get bangs, you can get a

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Speaker 5: revenge body, but you're still going to be two and four.

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Speaker 1: Right, But if they lose to the Steelers this week,

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Speaker 1: it's like, what more can they do? I don't think

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Speaker 1: they can do many more things, but I thought it

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Speaker 1: was a I think it is a smart gambit by

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Speaker 3: What do you think I can help thinking that not

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Speaker 3: only was this first of all the move that needed

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Speaker 3: to win or lose on Monday Night football, after especially

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Speaker 3: after firing Robert Sala, like, you have to do something

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Speaker 3: like this, You're basically pushing everything in on saying we

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Speaker 3: DeVante Adams being a huge one of those things. I

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Speaker 3: we're going to try to push. Woody Johnson is saying

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Speaker 3: such things at the league meetings this week, and we'll

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Speaker 3: tee up the sound in a second. But it's also

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Speaker 3: this makes the job vacancy look better. It makes this

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Speaker 3: And I do want to point out too, because well,

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Speaker 3: let's say you don't get as far as you want

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Speaker 3: because you have had this chaos right in the middle

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Speaker 3: right track and the right structure. You're extending some timelines here.

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Speaker 3: It does having weapons on this offense and promising somebody,

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Speaker 3: especially an offensive minded coach. And I love Old Rich,

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Speaker 3: I think he's a great coach, but saying hey, you

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Speaker 3: you if you can basically be amenable to work with

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Speaker 3: also wanted to point out that Ian Rappaport was supporting

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Speaker 3: that he that DeVante Adams and the Jets have agreed

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Speaker 3: to a restructure. Even so, not only are you getting

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Speaker 1: Well, they not paying any money, so that was the

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Speaker 3: Then the Jets get a restructure out.

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Speaker 1: Of it too, right, But the restructure is just this year,

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Speaker 1: like kind of spreading in around, and he wasn't making

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Speaker 1: two years, he is on the books for thirty five

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Speaker 1: I kind of look at that. I was like, well,

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Speaker 1: that's about right. That's about what a DeVante Adams would cost.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's a good point that it's not

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Speaker 1: necessarily just the rental. If Aaron Rodgers is going going

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Speaker 1: be with DeVante Adams as his teammate. And I keep

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Speaker 1: going back to a mid third round pick. So let's

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Speaker 1: listen to the sound that you very professionally.

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Speaker 3: Teased getting better every week.

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Speaker 1: Woody Johnson at the league meetings, explaining why he did

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Speaker 1: it's salvageable.

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Speaker 6: We're gonna kick you know, you're gonna have the words

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Speaker 6: after that, No, we're gonna We're gonna.

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Speaker 1: Do really well.

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Speaker 7: We're gonna do well.

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Speaker 6: Salvage is at the end, but this is the beginning.

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Speaker 6: You know, thinking is overrated. You have to look forward.

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Speaker 6: We have to look forward to the games we're gonna

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Speaker 6: play at each and every week and uh and try

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Speaker 6: to win all of them. Man, that's basic stuff, right.

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Speaker 6: I was saying, tell it, Tell Telladega Knights, you've heard

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Speaker 6: of that from that one stage he said, you're not

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Speaker 6: a thinker, You're a driver.

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Speaker 4: Right, Well, that's what you want to hear about about

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Speaker 4: the person.

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Speaker 1: So, I again I saw like getting put some pushback

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be in that vacuum. I think it makes

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you were. What they were doing was allowing pretty

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Speaker 1: Playing the easiest schedule to the league. If everything is amazing,

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Speaker 2: He totally is. It's fine.

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Speaker 5: It's not even a great point, but it was just

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Speaker 1: who's now with the Cowboys, Ashton Davis, Jabari Zuniga, Jeremy

442
00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:06,879
Speaker 1: Rucker halfway decent tight end for them, and Malachi Corley.

443
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Speaker 4: Those are their third round picks. And the Joe Douglas

444
00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,960
Speaker 4: just just saying people don't need to go too crazy

445
00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:12,359
Speaker 4: about that.

446
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Speaker 1: Let's go crazy about the other big time trade on Tuesday.

447
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:21,000
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper is a member of the Buffalo Bills. He

448
00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:26,920
Speaker 1: is going there essentially for a third round pick. The Browns,

449
00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,680
Speaker 1: you know, those dirty dogs, they somehow got they somehow

450
00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:34,320
Speaker 1: got the Bills to give them back a pick, swap

451
00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,159
Speaker 1: a sixth or a seventh on the way in return,

452
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,399
Speaker 1: so like they actually are moved the Bills are moving

453
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Speaker 1: up from the seventh to the sixth round and getting

454
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Speaker 1: Amari Cooper here, and so I just imagine when I

455
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Speaker 1: say those dirty dogs, I mean I can just imagine

456
00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,640
Speaker 1: the trade was essentially done and they're like, it'll really

457
00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:51,840
Speaker 1: be done if you give us more than that, and

458
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,520
Speaker 1: the Browns are just like, God, I guess we really

459
00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,480
Speaker 1: really don't want Amari Cooper on our team. I think

460
00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:01,159
Speaker 1: it makes sense for both parties. Amari Cooper in a

461
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,879
Speaker 1: different situation than DeVante Adams because he is in a

462
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 1: contract year. So that's an interesting element that on paper

463
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:10,920
Speaker 1: it looks like a rental, but once you have him

464
00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,440
Speaker 1: in the building, you have more control. You could always

465
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:17,320
Speaker 1: franchise tag him next year. You certainly could resign him early.

466
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 1: We saw the Bills last night not really get their

467
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,639
Speaker 1: wide receivers involved too much, certainly on the outside, and

468
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Speaker 1: Amari Cooper would certainly seem to help out a group

469
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Speaker 1: that's given some concern for Bills fans.

470
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Speaker 4: What do you think, Connie, I mean, I just.

471
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Speaker 2: Love the answer from the Bills to the Jets.

472
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Speaker 4: Hmmm.

473
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Speaker 5: With first it's DeVante Adams, now it's Amari Cooper, And

474
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Speaker 5: I just wish that I was privy to all of

475
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Speaker 5: the behind the scenes workings, all of the phone calls

476
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Speaker 5: that were going between the gms and the agents and

477
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:53,200
Speaker 5: the players. But in terms of this addition to Buffalo,

478
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,439
Speaker 5: I guess everybody doesn't have to eat now because that

479
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,440
Speaker 5: was their mantra. Everybody eats spreading the ball around. I mean,

480
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 5: Kean Coleman, He's not a number one wide receiver, but

481
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,640
Speaker 5: he's a great compliment to have. So this is going

482
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,639
Speaker 5: to add so much another layer, like Jordan was saying,

483
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Speaker 5: to the offense in general.

484
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Speaker 2: But I think it was smart.

485
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Speaker 5: Of them because they obviously had.

486
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 2: A very little cap space.

487
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 5: This deal worked perfectly because Cleveland converted the majority of

488
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 5: Cooper's twenty million dollar base into a signing bonus, so

489
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,359
Speaker 5: that was why the Bills were able to afford this.

490
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Speaker 5: And yeah, Greg, they had to give up that third

491
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Speaker 5: round pick, but also they still have the pick that

492
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Speaker 5: they acquired from the Stuff on Digs trade an extra

493
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 5: twenty twenty five second rounder, so they really do win

494
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 5: out in this right.

495
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Speaker 3: And the contracts lists in a million. I love this move.

496
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Speaker 3: This was in part because selfishly, this was going to

497
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Speaker 3: be a part of my entrance to this oh way. Yeah,

498
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 3: where I thought I said this could change would be

499
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Speaker 3: the Bill's roster because I felt like they really learned

500
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Speaker 3: and faced some hard truths about themselves over the last

501
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,119
Speaker 3: couple of weeks. And I think some of it was

502
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Speaker 3: figuring out if things could work with that receiver and

503
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 3: how they were going to deploy everybody, but then just

504
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 3: seeing that it just wasn't gonna work. I love when

505
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 3: a team is honest with itself about itself and then

506
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 3: moves to activate those changes and sort of like fix itself,

507
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 3: you know, and the I can fix some era of

508
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 3: the Bills. And I think that you could see this

509
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,919
Speaker 3: in the last couple of weeks. In these games, defenses

510
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 3: had no fear of their receivers. They were playing man

511
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 3: so much against these receivers. Again last excuse me Monday night,

512
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 3: even the rotational corners on the Jets were in man

513
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 3: against this receiver corp over fifty percent of their coverage stafts. No,

514
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 3: there was not a huge sample size because Josh Allen

515
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 3: only threw the ball twenty five times, but still there

516
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,679
Speaker 3: was no fear about this. They weren't threatening defense. They

517
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 3: were having difficulty layering concepts in order to spring each

518
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 3: other open in different ways, and so I love this.

519
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 3: This opens up so much again. It spreads the field

520
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 3: a little bit wider. It adds an actual threat that

521
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 3: will dictate certain coverages towards a number one, a bona

522
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 3: fide number one receiver. Once he gets his feet under him,

523
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 3: he gets his rhythm. And I also love that the

524
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 3: Bills are starting to lean more into an identity that

525
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily have to depend on the passing game. They're

526
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 3: loading up in heavier personnel sets. Ray Davis, Welcome Ray

527
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 3: Davis to the freaking NFL. Love to have you here, man.

528
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 3: Like what a brilliant debut from him. I loved watching

529
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 3: him at the Senior Bowl this past year. And they

530
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 3: are using these north this north to south running, They're

531
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Speaker 3: using him in the passing game. They're using twelve thirteen,

532
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 3: twenty two personnel, extra tight ends, even a full back,

533
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 3: And they're leaning on this to where they can now

534
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,679
Speaker 3: make this their identity and still have the multiplicity to

535
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 3: pop out in the passing game because they can now

536
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 3: actually with Amari, they can actually rely on this once

537
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:49,360
Speaker 3: he gets his feet up right.

538
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Speaker 5: That switched to Joe Brady last year mid season was

539
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,120
Speaker 5: one of the best things that they ever did.

540
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 4: Absolutely, they are a run first team.

541
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen running the ball, I've pointed out on the

542
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: show a number times, is the most effective playing football

543
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 1: on like a statistical basis success rate, Like when he

544
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 1: runs the football is always successful and he helps the

545
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 1: running game. They have a great offensive ene. I think

546
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: they could have won the Super Bowl before this trade.

547
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: I think they have a better chance to win the

548
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: Super Bowl after this trade. I don't think Amari Cooper

549
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,120
Speaker 1: is a number one receiver. I don't think he's probably

550
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: been the prototype of a guy who, throughout his career

551
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 1: is in that gray area, like, yes, he's a top

552
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: thirty two receiver. Is he a top ten receiver? Almost never.

553
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: But he's so streaky. He kind of reminds me of

554
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: the poor Man's Too in that there's always a honeymoon period.

555
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 3: But when you say number one receiver, yes, When I

556
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 3: say that, I'm not saying he's going to have the

557
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 3: entirety of the target share. I'm saying this is a

558
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 3: coverage dictate type player.

559
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I don't even know if he

560
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,719
Speaker 1: was doing that in Cleveland this year. He's looked awful,

561
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: like he's been open, but he just hasn't executed like

562
00:25:59,359 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: his drop.

563
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 3: Well, the drops are really bad. Context there is not great.

564
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: No, it's not, but some of it when you watch

565
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 1: I did want to go watch these two guys's targets

566
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 1: him and Adams and the contested catches like uncatchable balls.

567
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 4: He's just been out of it.

568
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 3: And after a career year two right, So that's the.

569
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Speaker 1: Thing is he's had a really interesting career. He seems moody.

570
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: I think now he's not like Tea.

571
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 3: Yes, there's some Instagram stories about when he was coming

572
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 3: up in trade conversations. Yeah, some posts about like I'd

573
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 3: go there whatever, that kind of thing. I think, you know,

574
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 3: that might be what you're referring to here.

575
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 4: I'm referring to his entire career.

576
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Speaker 1: His career in Oakland, he was very moody, very streaky,

577
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:44,360
Speaker 1: very up and down.

578
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 4: When he was into it.

579
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 1: He was into it until he wasn't into it, and

580
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 1: then he got out of it and he went to

581
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 1: Dallas and he immediately started playing better. He immediately started

582
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: being more focused. Everything was awesome. And then after a

583
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: little while in Dallas a few years, he was very

584
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 1: much not into it, and he was almost not unplayable

585
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: at points in his last year in Dallas, but he

586
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: was not into it, and they were sick of him,

587
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: and they got rid of it. And then he gets

588
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 1: to Cleveland and he's he's back into it. It's awesome,

589
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: it's honeymoon, it's working. And then this season it was

590
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: again kind of the Amari Cooper isn't happy season.

591
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 4: So you would think they get.

592
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 3: They get the are we talking we're talking about the bills?

593
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 3: They are they of any there? They know how to

594
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 3: capitalize on a honeymoon period. I mean they thought they

595
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 3: have precedent with this. I mean that's that's what I think.

596
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 3: We're talking about this contextually of what they believe their

597
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 3: ceiling is, and that is Super Bowl. So yeah, they're

598
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 3: making this move and they're probably depending on the honeymoon.

599
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 4: Hell, they even had a nice honeymoon period with t

600
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 4: O back in the day. Now that was really old

601
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Speaker 4: t O.

602
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: But if I'm just connecting it, but people forget how

603
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: freaking good Teo was that when he was thirty six

604
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 1: and thirty seven in Buffalo and Cincinnati for those one years,

605
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: it was like he was still sneaky kind of awesome.

606
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 2: I just remember how good he was on Jerry Rice Day.

607
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and like jillly Off, he was a perfect

608
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: so to me, he seems like the more low key,

609
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: maybe passive aggressive too Amari Cooper. But I'll say that

610
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: all to the point that I think it'll work.

611
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very passive aggressive.

612
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he was just aggressive aggressive occasionally.

613
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 3: But yes, I love how you're existing in multiple time

614
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 3: zones at one time as you're sitting there still connecting

615
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 3: these dots like that's incredibly impressive.

616
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: Now, if we trust next gen stats average separation as

617
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: a meaningful stat which I'm.

618
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 2: Not sure you not trust it.

619
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 4: What's happened that's that I'm not sure.

620
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 1: I think it really is dependent on scheme, team season.

621
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: There's a lot that I think goes into it. But

622
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: for what it's worth, Marik Cooper average separation this year

623
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: is higher than it's been since twenty eighteen.

624
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 3: He's certainly separated from the Browns.

625
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 4: There you go.

626
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: Twenty two million dollars in dead money on the Browns

627
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,719
Speaker 1: books for next year for a Mari Cooper. So everyone

628
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: who's saying, hey, they did a great job, they gave

629
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: up a fifth for a mari Cooper, you got so

630
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: much value out of him, Absolutely true. Like the the

631
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: analytical way to look at this was they they did

632
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: a great job with this quote unquote asset and they

633
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: got a third round pick back here and that that's solid.

634
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: But they still do have Deshaun Watson and a Marii

635
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: Cooper on the books next year for one hundred million

636
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: dollars and I don't think either of them are going

637
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: to be helping that team. So that's like, from a

638
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: Brown's perspective, it did make me think, oh, where are

639
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: Like they're in a They're in a weird spot right now,

640
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: They're one in five? Are they going to go into

641
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: full tank mode? If you were going into full tank mode?

642
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: Is that a reason to keep playing Deshaun Watson. I'm

643
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: just saying, like, would you not want Jameis Winston to

644
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: go in there and get wins.

645
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 2: I would start jams Winston And.

646
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: It's craven and it's like calculated and it's cynical, like

647
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: if they would make Deshaun Watson keep playing in order

648
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: to lose. But this is the team that ignored everything

649
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: about Deshaun Watson to sign Deshaun Watson so I don't know.

650
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: I wouldn't put anything bast to this organization.

651
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 3: Two more quick, very quick points I want to make

652
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 3: on the bills too. Still, one of the biggest concerns

653
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 3: I have with them is something that's popped up all year,

654
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 3: And I love that they made this move, even though

655
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 3: it quietly wasn't necessarily their biggest need, which was a

656
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 3: getting some defensive backs back healthy. Tarron Johnson really settled

657
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 3: in and made that huge play and Monday Night at

658
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,719
Speaker 3: the end of the game. But then also they allowed

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Speaker 3: fifteen non penalty plays of ten plus yards. A lot

660
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Speaker 3: of that is struggling to tackle in the defensive backfield.

661
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Speaker 3: A lot of that is just these holes that are

662
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Speaker 3: happening against this Bobby Babitch Sean McDermott defense. And so

663
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Speaker 3: but what I love on the counter, what I love

664
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Speaker 3: about this team is that they were like, all right, well,

665
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 3: we're just going to not play close games anymore. We're

666
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Speaker 3: going to try to do whatever we can to lean

667
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Speaker 3: into this identity with and be a running team with multiplicity,

668
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Speaker 3: but also find a player. Go go out and get

669
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Speaker 3: a player, not necessarily one of our larger needs, but

670
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Speaker 3: a player who we know is going to shift coverage

671
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 3: after we've faced this difficult reality about our current receiver Gore,

672
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Speaker 3: We're just not going to play close games anymore. Solves

673
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Speaker 3: a lot of problems at once because they can play

674
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Speaker 3: ball control with their run game. They also won't necessarily

675
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Speaker 3: need to depend on their kicker as much.

676
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Speaker 1: They need to get a new kicker. Tyler Bass is

677
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: missing kicks for a while. He's had a nice run

678
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: in Buffalo, but sometimes the run is just over. It's interesting.

679
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Speaker 1: You don't think it's one of their bigger needs.

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Speaker 4: I love it.

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Speaker 3: No, No, I do think it was one of their

682
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Speaker 3: bigger needs. I'm just saying my greater concern watching this

683
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 3: defense can just be overly porous at the back seven

684
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 3: step other teams in games. I do think receive. Like

685
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Speaker 3: I said at the very top of this, I do

686
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 3: think facing that truth about how teams were playing their receiver,

687
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Speaker 3: going out and giving a getting a coverage dictation guy,

688
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Speaker 3: that was really crucial.

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Speaker 1: They are the number three offense according to d VA

690
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: after six weeks, so it's not like they've been struggling offensively,

691
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Speaker 1: but I think the hides of the first three weeks. Yeah,

692
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Speaker 1: they bills are something that will change. They will change

693
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Speaker 1: in Amari Cooper. Yeah, Amari Cooper is going to help

694
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: them out a lot. It all makes a little more sense.

695
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: Shakir and Kincaid as a two and a three, and

696
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Speaker 1: then the other receivers now just kind of helping out

697
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: his role players, Kean Coleman a little less Mac Collins.

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Speaker 1: That play by Mac Collins might have been just like

699
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Speaker 1: the Mic Williams play was like the one you remember

700
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: that played by Mike Collins where he didn't flatten out

701
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: and couldn't get the touchdown. It was like, Okay, we

702
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: need to bring in Amark Cooper. And it was a

703
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Speaker 1: great response because I don't think there's any wide receivers

704
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Speaker 1: else available. That might have been why they responded so quickly.

705
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: It was like DeVante and Cooper. I went and tried

706
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Speaker 1: to look to come up with who could be available

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Speaker 1: at wide receiver. Christian Kirk maybe huh, he's doue a

708
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: lot of money. But Christian Kirk maybe Tyreek Hill in

709
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: a different world where he things get wild. Yeah, he

710
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Speaker 1: doesn't think so. He likes Miami Deontay Johnson. The band

711
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: Panthers say they're not going to trade Deontay Johnson and

712
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Speaker 1: they want to sign him long term, which makes sense

713
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Speaker 1: to me, but he could be someone not many people available.

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Speaker 1: All right, one more big item today were was the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: Now it's not official. Mike Tomlin is not saying that

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Speaker 1: he's going to start Russell Wilson on Sunday against the Jets.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's almost like when people come up with

718
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Speaker 1: conspiracies the fact that this game is the Sunday night

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Speaker 1: football game, like.

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Speaker 4: NBC did it again.

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Speaker 1: You're getting Russell Wilson versus Davante Adams Steelers Jets.

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Speaker 4: That is awesome.

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Speaker 1: Let's listen to Mike Tomlin basically justifying a quarterback change,

724
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Speaker 1: even though for now he won't announce a quarterback change.

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Speaker 1: R Ian Rappaport says Russell Wilson will be getting first

726
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Speaker 1: team reps and that the change is coming.

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Speaker 4: Let's listen to Tomlin.

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Speaker 9: Justin has been really good, and we've been really good

729
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 9: at times, but not to be confused with great man.

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Speaker 9: This is a competitive league, man. We're trying to position

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Speaker 9: ourselves to be that team, and we got a player

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Speaker 9: with talent we hadn't had an opportunity to play, so

733
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Speaker 9: we're going to potentially explore those things. Sometimes it doesn't

734
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Speaker 9: necessarily have anything to do with what Justin has done

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Speaker 9: or has not done.

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Speaker 4: I don't like this move.

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Speaker 1: No, I think Justin Fields has played better this season

738
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Speaker 1: than Russell Wilson has played since twenty twenty. Now you

739
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Speaker 1: can look at Russell Wilson stats in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: In that six season, though, I remember that he was

741
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Speaker 1: not playing that well despite the stats, So at the worst,

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Speaker 1: it's better than he's played in a couple of years.

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Speaker 1: I think he's made the surroundings look better than they

744
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Speaker 1: really are. Justin Fields, that is, so I'm really surprised

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Speaker 1: by this news.

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Speaker 4: Jordan, what do you think.

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Speaker 3: I'm surprised by it as well, because I thought that

748
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Speaker 3: Justin Fields, even though it's not always pretty and sometimes

749
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 3: he takes a step back and then a couple steps forward,

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Speaker 3: and you know, he still to me, feels like he's

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00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 3: able to play the style of football that Art Smith

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Speaker 3: wants to play. And it was interesting. I'm looking for

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00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 3: it right now. I'm scrolling on my laptop here. I'm looking.

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Speaker 3: There was some things that came out a couple weeks

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Speaker 3: ago and even last week in the building, not just

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Speaker 3: from comments that Art Smith made enthusiastic about coaching Justin Fields,

757
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 3: but also players talking about have they liked playing with him?

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Speaker 3: So there seems to be there's a subtext here that

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Speaker 3: I'm not quite understanding. I'm certainly not understand why this

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00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 3: is happening. Now, Ye're not alone.

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00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 2: I must be missing something not understanding. It's so curious

762
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 2: to me.

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Speaker 5: At first, I just thought it was kind of almost

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00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 5: like a bit that Tomlin was doing.

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Speaker 1: I did too, to be honest. I thought, there's no

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Speaker 1: way he's going to make this move.

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Speaker 5: The Steelers are foreign too with fields and fields has

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Speaker 5: I mean even the X factor of his legs. And

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Speaker 5: I know Russell Wilson is known for that as well,

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Speaker 5: but Justin Fields is different with it. And Mike Tomlin

771
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Speaker 5: was even asked about it, uh, and he said, like,

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Speaker 5: you know, if Wilson has the same capability to use

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Speaker 5: his legs as Fields and Tomlin said, no, Justin's legs

774
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Speaker 5: are the X factor and it remains to be seen

775
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 5: how the offense would change with Wilson. And then he said,

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Speaker 5: I think that's one of the cute things about this discussion.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know, Mike Tomlin is just messing.

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Speaker 1: With all of us or what well, Plus he had

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Speaker 1: that press conference after Ian had put that report out,

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Speaker 1: and then he did you know, Tomlin did not say

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00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: that Russell Wilson's the stuff, that they'll both, they'll look

782
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: at them both, and that he could use them.

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Speaker 2: They will play both.

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Speaker 1: I think they could use a package of Justin Fields

785
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: potentially in the red zone. Would not surprise me. It

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00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: would kind of make sense if both quarterbacks were on

787
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: board with that, and that would make this move less annoying,

788
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 1: But it would still be annoying to me.

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Speaker 3: This is Brian Botko, who covers the team for PG

790
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 3: Sports Now. So if the Post Gazette out there in Pittsburgh,

791
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 3: I found the quote, so Steeleer. This is his verbatim

792
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 3: from his post on social media. Steelers OC Arthur Smith

793
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 3: says he's really enjoyed working with Justin Fields.

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Speaker 4: Quote.

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Speaker 3: There's no drama to him. He doesn't try to live

796
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 3: through his avatar or create a perception. That's probably why

797
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 3: he was so endearing to his teammates in Chicago. Extremely coachable,

798
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 3: extremely bright. Brian Botco goes on to say Arthur Smith

799
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Speaker 3: also praised Justin Fields when it comes to his work ethic.

800
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 3: Same thing as a play caller. You get in this business,

801
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 3: people start making excuses, rationalizing, put whatever they want on

802
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 3: social media or makes sure narratives get leaked out. He's

803
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 3: old school.

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00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 2: Well, so was that first one just a veiled shot? Yes,

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00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 2: I am.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but I'm double checking, ma sure that

807
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 3: this account is real. I know, Brian, but like that

808
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 3: because when I saw that, that's a good one and

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00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 3: that was from October tenth.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Justin Fields is coming off what I would

811
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 1: say is his worst game as a starter, So it's

812
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: it's funny. I did see some Steelers accounts on Sunday

813
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 1: saying I wonder if this performance might make Mike Tomlin

814
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: think about it, because Mike Tomlin seems like he's had

815
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Speaker 1: a loyalty to Russell Wilson that hasn't been earned by

816
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 1: playing experience with him, but more by their relationship. There's

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Speaker 1: been some reporting alluding to almost that when he met

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00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: with Russell Wilson, it was almost like a promise like

819
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Speaker 1: I'm going to give you a chance to restart your career,

820
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,720
Speaker 1: and that they had a connection there on a personal

821
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: level and almost that Tomlin, I don't know if he

822
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: feels bad that just hasn't.

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Speaker 4: Worked out for Russell Wilson. I'm not saying in his career.

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Speaker 1: I mean that he got injured and he felt like

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00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: he almost owed it to Russell Wilson to give him

826
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: a chance. Because a lot of the Beat reporters, not

827
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: the national guys, were saying all along that this was

828
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: going to happen, and they've been proven right.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't get it. I don't understand it.

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Speaker 5: I mean, maybe we will get the answer, yeah, and

831
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 5: Russell Wilson will look great in this offense, and then

832
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 5: we'll understand what Tomlin has been talking about this whole time.

833
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 4: But I just.

834
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Speaker 2: Don't know why we're doing it here now.

835
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Speaker 1: It is very surprising. We wrap up the news just

836
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Speaker 1: telling you where we will all hopefully be in twenty

837
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Speaker 1: twenty eight, which is Atlanta at the Super Bowl, Atlanta

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Speaker 1: hosting Super Bowl sixty two. Now I think I can

839
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Speaker 1: read Roman numerals sixty two. We're going back to Atlanta hopefully. Again,

840
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: no one knows if we're going to be on this

841
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: earth by that point of course, Like as Kyle Shanahan

842
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: likes to say, or more, how I was thinking, if

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00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: we're going to still have the opportunity. You can't take

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00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: these things for granted. But I hope to be there Atlanta.

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00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: The first time round was fun.

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Speaker 2: I loved it.

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00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 8: I liked it.

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Speaker 5: The music scene is great. It was a great stadium

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00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 5: to be in. But I mean, we don't even know

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Speaker 5: if we'll be here tomorrow.

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00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: Greg, that is absolutely right, which is a reminder why

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00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: we should go to break so we can make sure

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Speaker 1: we get this stuff that will change.

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Speaker 4: Segment is swaffle House thang in a second, Oh Waffles,

855
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 4: that'll be there, that never goes.

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00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: Away back on NFL daily. And in the time that

857
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: we went on break, we all survived.

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00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 3: We're still hereted.

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00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,439
Speaker 1: But unfortunately Marcus Valdez Scantley's employment with the Buffalo Bills

860
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: did not survive, so that the news which would have

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00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: been part of that whole Bills conversation, that we learned

862
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: a free agent pickup that did.

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Speaker 4: Not work out.

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Speaker 2: Things that will change.

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Speaker 4: Yes, for the Bills.

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00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 3: Market still was right. The Bills roster still did change.

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Speaker 1: From you were so right, you were you were presciate.

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00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 1: Were you annoyed actually that they stepped on you? Looking

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00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: very smart because if we had done this show yesterday

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Speaker 1: that the Bill's roster would change and Amari Cooper was

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00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: traded the day after to the Bills.

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Speaker 4: That's a win. As a podcaster, that's a win.

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Speaker 3: I am not you, Greg, but I think you're projecting

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Speaker 3: just yi.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on with you guys.

877
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 4: That was the news. There a little bit of a

878
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 4: other housekeeping. Tom Brady's officially a limited partner of the

879
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 4: Oh good for him, we expected that.

880
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 2: And Richard finally a win for Tom Brady.

881
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: Tom Brady owns five percent of the team, Richard Seymour

882
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: owns point five percent of the team, and then one

883
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: of Brady's business partners owns another five percent, so that

884
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: actually adds up to a lot ten and a half percent.

885
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: That's not that's not nothing. That's not like when they

886
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: gave Serena and Venus Williams like pointo one percent of

887
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 1: the Dolphins along with Gloria Estefan.

888
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 4: I don't know if that is still a thing.

889
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: That if you go to the Dolphins WinSite and you

890
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: looked at the owner web page, it always had a

891
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,240
Speaker 1: picture of Gloria Estefan.

892
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 2: I always thought it was as a Estefan or a.

893
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 3: I don't know.

894
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 2: I always thought it was estefan.

895
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I don't know. I'm not the person

896
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 1: to ask about correct pronunciations. Let's talk about stuff that

897
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: will change. Okay, it was in my head because we

898
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: just get to this point in the season. We think

899
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: we know something about the NFL, and I just look

900
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: at the NFL as a seasonal sport where November is

901
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: going to be totally different than October.

902
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 4: December is going to be totally different.

903
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: You want to be peaking at the right time, but

904
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,439
Speaker 1: some of the things that we believe to be true

905
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: now will no longer be true as we get further

906
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: into the season.

907
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 4: What is something that will change? Colleen Wolf, the.

908
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 5: Bear's hype, the Bears, y will will It's at a

909
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 5: boil right now. It's going to come down to a simmer.

910
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 5: The Caleb Williams hysteria that's probably never going to subside.

911
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 2: Because I was.

912
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: Going to make the second one. I'm not buying it,

913
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 1: like stuff that has hypened. But I didn't want everyone

914
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: to have to go negative all the time. But then

915
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: you just came hard negative.

916
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 4: Well I just like that.

917
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 5: No, no, no, okay, it's not negative in I have a

918
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 5: reason for this, because.

919
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 4: I say, you don't like hype them are.

920
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 5: No, no, because of their remaining schedule. They still have

921
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 5: to play all of their division games. They have to

922
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 5: play the Vikings twice, who are first in defensive DVA.

923
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 5: They have to play the Lions twice, who are fourth

924
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 5: in defensive DVA, the Niners who are fifth in defensive DVOA,

925
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 5: obviously the Packers, They have the Commanders, the Seahawks, and

926
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 5: then like the Patriots and Cardinals. But this schedule is

927
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 5: an absolute gauntlet the NFC North in general. It's the

928
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 5: first division since the merger to have every team with

929
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,280
Speaker 5: at least four wins through Week six.

930
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:44,280
Speaker 2: It's a killer.

931
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:49,919
Speaker 5: So yes, I think that Caleb Williams deserves all all

932
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 5: of the accolades and all of the love that he's

933
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 5: getting right now because he played a great game and

934
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 5: he threw some absolutely beautiful balls and placed them where

935
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,720
Speaker 5: only he could for his receivers to get them and score,

936
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 5: especially that one to Keenan Allen the second touchdown. Maybe

937
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 5: that was his best pass of the entire season. But

938
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 5: the hype is going to diminish a bit because the

939
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 5: schedule's really, really difficult.

940
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 4: Okay, so it's just more about the schedule.

941
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: I think that's true of this, so we can kind

942
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: of combine ours, because yeah, mine was the NFC North

943
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: in general being this good. And part of the reason

944
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: that they have the top four teams in terms of

945
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 1: point differential for the first time ever through six weeks

946
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: is they haven't played each other at all. So that's

947
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: just like a quirk in the schedule. But you're right,

948
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: other than the Vikings, who have somehow gone undefeated despite

949
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: playing like a brutally different.

950
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 2: I mean, Donald didn't really look that great.

951
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 7: No, No, I mean it is funny part back Island.

952
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 7: We're gonna have to have another country, right. It is

953
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 7: funny that they have the number one defense in all stats.

954
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 7: They have the number one like running game in a

955
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 7: lot of difference stats like their passing games like solid

956
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 7: and Sam Darnold still gets all the credit.

957
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 2: But I can't wait until they go to the Bowl.

958
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 2: We're like, I still am not buying the Vikings loved.

959
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 3: I have loved how a steady and consistent Brian Flores's

960
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 3: defense has looked. I think that defense, unlike probably some

961
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 3: like for example, the Bears defense, gives me a little

962
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 3: bit of pause when you talk about being built to

963
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 3: play when it gets way colder, when teams are running

964
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 3: them all more when they're running heavier against you. But

965
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 3: I think that Brian Flores and that defense has showed

966
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 3: even though we are we talk so much about the

967
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 3: crazy pressures and those types of things. I think that

968
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 3: he is malleable enough and flexible enough. And Jeff Hafley's

969
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 3: defense is starting to look pretty good as well.

970
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that was actually part of my.

971
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: Reasoning that the NFC North can't stay this good this long,

972
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: is that they have seventeen turnovers this year. They forced

973
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: seventeen turnovers, and that was an idea that they talked

974
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: about in the offseason, So maybe you can really coach

975
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: up turnovers, but that feels unsustainable. They actually have some

976
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: pretty big holes, I would say in their defense. Their

977
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: pass rus really hasn't worked. They're starting to play more

978
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: rookies on their defense, and I think that could help

979
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: them long term. But secondary line dogger. I think they

980
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: have holes on every level, but it's been covered up

981
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 1: by just this crazy turnover rate. And so that's part

982
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: of the NFC North equation. The schedule was a big

983
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: part of it. Though, So the Bears have had the

984
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: thirty first the second easiest scheduled league so far, and

985
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: they go to the hardest schedule in the league moving forward.

986
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 5: That's kind of great though for k Lys to kind

987
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 5: of ease him in because it is unfair to him.

988
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 5: It's not like he can control all of the attention

989
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 5: that he's getting, and he needs time to grow and develop.

990
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 4: No, and he's going to be the next three weeks.

991
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: They have the Commanders, which you know for an offense,

992
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 1: is not a hard matchup, and then the Patriots and

993
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: the Cardinals, so two like three of the worst defenses

994
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: in the league in a row, so they could really

995
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: keep getting fat and then it gets brutal. But they're

996
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: not the only team where it's similar to that. The

997
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: Lions have had the twentieth schedule in the league, like

998
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: you know, easy, they're gonna have the second hardest moving forward.

999
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: The Packers have been right in the middle of the

1000
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: pack so far, the third hardest moving forward. Now part

1001
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: of that is just like everyone's got to play the Vikings,

1002
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 1: and the Vikings are alowede. I think the Lions can

1003
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: withstand and hold up. I think the Packers need to

1004
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: keep getting better, and they are a team that you

1005
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: would believe will but I do think their defense might

1006
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: be a little unsustainable and it's hard. How can four

1007
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: Can we really have four good teams in the same division?

1008
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: Maybe we can maybe have four teams over five hundred.

1009
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: It's pretty excited.

1010
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 2: Lions are the best team in the NFC.

1011
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 5: And then I mean when they the Packers, as long

1012
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 5: as they have a healthy Jordan Love, they're going to

1013
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 5: be relevant. And obviously Sam Darnold and those Vikings are

1014
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 5: five and zero.

1015
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is such a good division. It's more. Yeah,

1016
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: A big part of it is just they're gonna have

1017
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: to start facing each other. And they lucked out in

1018
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 1: the scheduling just what divisions they had to play. We

1019
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: thought the AFC South is going to be improved this

1020
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: year and it's it's not. And so that's really helped

1021
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: them as an out of division schedule. What do you

1022
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: got next, Jordan, You give me something that'll change.

1023
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 3: One thing that I think will change is Jerry Jones's

1024
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 3: general demeanor and vibe with a certain Dallas radio station,

1025
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 3: his regular one oh five three the Fan, So he

1026
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 3: does this regularly all throughout the season and offseason. That

1027
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 3: interview got extremely heated, and we do have the audio

1028
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 3: of that.

1029
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 8: Your job and to let me go over all the

1030
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 8: reasons that I did something and I'm sorry that I

1031
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 8: did it. That's not your job. Well, my job is

1032
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 8: to ask one job, or I'll get another. I'll get

1033
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 8: somebody else to ask these questions.

1034
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 5: Man, Arry Jones will fire you even if he doesn't

1035
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 5: work for the company.

1036
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 2: Does he own the company?

1037
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: Well, your partners, if you're if they're your radio partner.

1038
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,760
Speaker 1: It's kind of like does NBC work for the NFL.

1039
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 1: Not exactly, but you know, there's it's a symbiotic relationship

1040
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: where they have influenced certainly on who's you know, hired

1041
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: and who is Yeah.

1042
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 3: And let's not forget how open and amenable he is

1043
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 3: generally to doing any interview anything.

1044
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 2: He loves the spotlightk Yeah.

1045
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 3: And even at league meetings today, a couple of the

1046
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 3: national reporters who were there, we're talking about how he

1047
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 3: walked in way later than he normally does and then

1048
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 3: politely declined to speak with media because he was going

1049
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 3: to be late for the meeting, even though he's always

1050
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,919
Speaker 3: early and he always holds court for you know, even

1051
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 3: at times multiple hours. It's it's tough. He's going through

1052
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 3: it right now. It's not just that it was the

1053
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 3: lost to the Lions that we were just talking about

1054
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 3: on his eighty second birthday. It's not that they got

1055
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 3: blown out. It's that they lost to a team that

1056
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 3: has no issues shape shifting into a variety of different forms,

1057
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 3: who are essentially like comfortable just playing with their food

1058
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 3: at the end of the game as he sat there

1059
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 3: and watched. And it's also that the Cowboys feel like

1060
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 3: they're helmed by coaches and have structured their team who

1061
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 3: feel like the foundation and future. That the lines are

1062
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 3: helmed by coaches who feel like the foundation and future

1063
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 3: of a franchise, while the Cowboys sort of feel like

1064
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 3: lame ducks from a bygone era and they're struggling, the

1065
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 3: best players injured. The game's iced by your quarterback. You're

1066
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 3: asking to do everything at the line of scrimmage. You're

1067
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 3: still making throw blind into the sun because you can't

1068
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 3: put a curtain over the ceilings. It is, it is.

1069
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 3: It's a lot of things that are there's that are making.

1070
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 4: People there the side of the stadium.

1071
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 3: No, No, that's an option. There is one that exists

1072
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 3: that can be burts there.

1073
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 2: Very good.

1074
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 3: But I'm just saying there's a reason for him feeling

1075
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 3: like this right now, for bristling when people I think

1076
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 3: are fairly and rightfully questioning him for all of the

1077
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,399
Speaker 3: either decisions they did make or the decisions they didn't make,

1078
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 3: including the lame duck situation that it feels like in

1079
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 3: so many areas of this franchise, inclusive to the coaching staff.

1080
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 2: I would be angry too.

1081
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 5: If my team couldn't run the ball, couldn't stop the run,

1082
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 5: I had no home field advantage, when before that was

1083
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 5: the main thing. There's no real identity. There's so many injuries.

1084
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: At every week. They're always like, we just got to

1085
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: practice better. Our practices haven't been great, and like mccarthiel

1086
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: say that too, and ooh and like those are your practices, bro?

1087
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: There are Their offensive line, though, is the beginning of

1088
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: It's why I don't think they have a very like

1089
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: even if everything went right the rest of the year, Zimmer,

1090
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 1: I think their defense begin things that could change. Like

1091
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: if you told me that their defense is average or

1092
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Speaker 1: better in December, I wouldn't be shocked.

1093
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're missing so many.

1094
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 1: They're missing so many people, and it's a new system,

1095
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: and it's a coaching stat a coach that hasn't been

1096
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: in the league for a minute his system. I could

1097
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: see that that there's a room for improvement. I think

1098
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 1: the offensive line might be cooked. Zach Martin is a

1099
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: is a problem for them right now. He's a future

1100
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer coming off the worst game I think

1101
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,240
Speaker 1: of his career. Some people are wondering if he's fully healthy.

1102
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: But whatever it is, they've probably got four week spots

1103
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 1: right now on an offensive line that used to be

1104
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: what they were all about, and now they've got Tyler Smith.

1105
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: He's a really good player, and four problem areas and

1106
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: that's something I don't know if there's a solution.

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Speaker 3: Don't you think the optics of this though? Are what

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00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 3: I was texting you a little bit about this over

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00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 3: the weekend with in reference to another another coach is

1110
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 3: like in another building, It's like, don't you think the

1111
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 3: optics here? This is you lose to this team, not

1112
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 3: just that you're that you lose lose, but you lose

1113
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 3: to this team that they are doing whatever they want

1114
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 3: to do against you from a variety of different and ideas.

1115
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 3: And then there's all these cuts to the sideline of

1116
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 3: this young, younger, energetic and galvanizing head coach who clearly

1117
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 3: has his entire team just like a good call everything

1118
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 3: or not, and then cuts to the the hot shot

1119
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 3: offensive coordinator on the side of the screen who's basically

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Speaker 3: like one of my plays off this play card and

1121
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 3: try to just get a touchdown to an offensive lineman

1122
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 3: and literally play with this food. And there's camera shots

1123
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 3: to this guy who is the future of this league

1124
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 3: on the sideline, and you're sitting there in your box

1125
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 3: looking freaking miserable, like I think the optics have to

1126
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 3: be bothering him.

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00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 2: What a terrible birthday.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that that it was the most

1129
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: embarrassing loss you could have. I mean, I don't think

1130
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 1: it helps if we're going that far that a long

1131
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: time Dallas Cowboys captain is coaching the Lions. Not only that,

1132
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 1: but he was the protege of the guy that you

1133
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: supposedly have been pining over forever, Sean Payton, and you

1134
00:51:59,360 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: miss me.

1135
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 3: Yes, there's a layers anyway, that's the reason for the town.

1136
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Speaker 1: Okay, I love that. All right, let's go around one

1137
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 1: more time quickly. Stuff that will.

1138
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Speaker 5: Okay, change the Bengals will rise from the dead like that.

1139
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 5: They are sub five hundred right now. But they are

1140
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 5: just too good. Joe Burrow's too good. They're eighth in

1141
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 5: offensive DVOA. I mean, the offense is tenth and scoring

1142
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 5: twelve and yards per game, and that's doing it without

1143
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 5: t Higgins for every single game.

1144
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Speaker 2: I mean, maybe the defense, maybe this was a turning point.

1145
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 5: I know that they were playing the Giants, but maybe

1146
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,439
Speaker 5: this is just good for an ego boost at this point.

1147
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 2: Even marginally better.

1148
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 5: For the Bengals defense would be an improvement. And their

1149
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 5: schedule they have some softballs coming up. I mean, they

1150
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,240
Speaker 5: have the Raiders, they have the Browns twice, the Titans,

1151
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 5: who are a good defense though, the Cowboys, the Eagles,

1152
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 5: which we just don't know what those.

1153
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 4: Teams are now look like food.

1154
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 2: It's so weird.

1155
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 5: So you know, if the Steelers start messing around with

1156
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 5: Russell Wilson and then losing games, then the Bengals could

1157
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 5: probably chase them at the end of the season.

1158
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Speaker 8: Love.

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00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: That makes total sense to me. The Westling brothers and

1160
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: I were texting over the weekend. Everyone is getting more

1161
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: optimistic about the Bengals already.

1162
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 4: I think it's gonna happen.

1163
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna find a glimmer of hope here in what

1164
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert did over the weekend to the Broncos and

1165
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: say Justin Herbert is not going to be playing conservative

1166
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: ball for the rest of the year. That the real

1167
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert is gonna come out. He's going to be

1168
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: allowed to come out from Jim Harbaugh. What a celebration

1169
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: in this game. Yes, he's just like a beautiful little butterfly.

1170
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: He's ready to come out of his cocoon.

1171
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Speaker 4: Ooh. I like that.

1172
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: He could be a candidate in a couple of weeks.

1173
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: So they've had him under lock and key part of

1174
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: it is the mindset of how they want to play offense.

1175
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: But I think the bigger part of it is he

1176
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: was just so injured that bye week was really important

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Speaker 1: for him.

1178
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 4: And I think it really showed up on film.

1179
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 1: This last week not only that he was a different player,

1180
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: but that they treated him like a different player. So

1181
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:09,879
Speaker 1: more dropbacks, more yards, more plays outside the pocket, more

1182
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: planting his feet and going down the field, more mid

1183
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: range throws, more deep throws.

1184
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 4: It just looked like Justin Herbert again.

1185
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: So I think people maybe attributed so much of the

1186
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: beginning of the year to all the Chargers are just

1187
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: going to play this really boring style.

1188
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 4: That was part of it.

1189
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Speaker 1: But I think it was just he was so banged

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00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: up and now we're going to see the real Justine

1191
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:28,879
Speaker 1: for him.

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Speaker 2: But I really love it for you, Greg, Yes, I

1193
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:31,879
Speaker 2: didn't need much.

1194
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 3: It's bringing you back to life after your travels. I

1195
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 3: think it's lovely.

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00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 2: It's re animating Greg, all right, wrap us up.

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Speaker 4: Jordan, yeah quickly.

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Speaker 3: I do think so. I don't want to undermine or

1199
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Speaker 3: under sell like how brutal this aiden Hutchinson losses. First

1200
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 3: of all, horrific to watch, hate it for that young man,

1201
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 3: for the entire team, for the organization, for his long

1202
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 3: journey ahead. But actually, after they sort of emotionally recover

1203
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 3: from this situation, I still think this defense will ultimately

1204
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 3: keep ascending. And so the initial panic that everyone's feeling

1205
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 3: right now because of the severity of that situation, and

1206
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 3: of course you're losing the top pass rusher in the

1207
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 3: league right now, but after that subsides. I think that

1208
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,720
Speaker 3: then you'll start to feel some hope and optimism about

1209
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 3: this defense, because every single week they're growing. I think

1210
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 3: they have the ability on the interior of their defensive

1211
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 3: line to sort of change around the identity one of

1212
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 3: their guys. A couple of their players actually have some

1213
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,399
Speaker 3: position flex where you could pop them out a little

1214
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 3: bit wider. And they're also getting good pressure. They are,

1215
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 3: you know, seventeen and sixteen pressures between on Uzourique and

1216
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:43,879
Speaker 3: Alim McNeil and respectively, which is eleventh and fourteenth amongth

1217
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 3: interior defensive line. And you can actually manufacture a little

1218
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 3: bit more pressure coming from that area. And as you

1219
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 3: see this secondary start to come to life, start to

1220
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 3: settle in, I think Brian Branch in an age right

1221
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 3: now that we're in that is becoming truly golden for

1222
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 3: safety play where these safeties can do everything. They are

1223
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 3: letting Brian Branch do everything, and he is showing up.

1224
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 3: I really have faith in Aaron Glenn as a defensive coordinator,

1225
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 3: and I think he'll keep this group on track and

1226
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 3: ascending into what is gonna is about to be a

1227
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,479
Speaker 3: very difficult backstretch for the entire NFC North.

1228
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Speaker 1: It's a good call because he's very creative at making

1229
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: up for what they're missing. And yeah, I don't want

1230
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: to hear that they're under talented because they've poured a

1231
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: lot of resources, a lot of draft picks, a lot

1232
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: of money into that defense. Such a good job, right,

1233
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: and so they can scheme around it. I also think

1234
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 1: they might add someone, you know, the next couple.

1235
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could so well they did. They picked something

1236
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 3: fun pass Rusher, Yeah, they picked.

1237
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 4: I think that would make a lot of sense.

1238
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 3: No, yeah, I do think so as well. And they

1239
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 3: also picked up I'm gonna have to go back and

1240
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 3: look at it. They're they're scouring practice squads for depth

1241
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 3: for rotational outside linebackers.

1242
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: So maybe like a bigger name like a Reddick, they

1243
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: would make sense for I did look for some potential

1244
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: trade cans. We might do a whole show on this

1245
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: later in the month, but just for now.

1246
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 3: Just do it now, I see, Yeah, what time are

1247
00:56:59,120 --> 00:56:59,439
Speaker 3: we at?

1248
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 1: I think is Jeffrey Simmons ever going to be available?

1249
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: Harold Landry, Jadevian Clowney, Chase Young maybe from the Saints

1250
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 1: if they bought him out. That The trick is, you

1251
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: got to find a team that's bottom. Now, Zadaria Smith

1252
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: I think would make a lot of sense from the

1253
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: Brown So just someone. I think the Lions will probably

1254
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: add someone at some point. All Right, we're gonna take

1255
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: one quick break and then we will wrap up talking

1256
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:38,439
Speaker 1: T NF. All Right, it's the time of the show

1257
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: for our T and F preview presented by Amazon Prime Video.

1258
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: I was so excited about Broncos Saints a few weeks ago.

1259
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: I'm still really excited, but in a different way. Unfortunately,

1260
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: it's a little ghoulish. It's it's just wondering what could

1261
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 1: happen if the Saints don't win this Gameronco's coming in

1262
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: after a humbling performance of their own where they were

1263
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: down twenty three to nothing. They made it look a

1264
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: little better at the end against the Chargers, but that

1265
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: was a little bit of a comeback to earth game

1266
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: for them after a week in Denver where I was

1267
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: following a lot of these Broncos beat writers and they're like,

1268
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: here's why the Broncos are going to make the playoffs

1269
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: out I was thinking, oh, hold on, then again, Colleen,

1270
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 1: they could very easily be four and three after this

1271
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: week because they are playing a Saints team that has

1272
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: injuries just everywhere, not just three offensive linemen, not just

1273
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: Chris o'lovey, which I mentioned on the Monday night recap

1274
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: show with Nick Schook. Rashid Shad is very possibly missing

1275
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: this game with a knee injury. So we're talking about

1276
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: Spencer Rattler throwing to bub Means and Cedric Wilson as

1277
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: his top wideouts against a great defense.

1278
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 3: Which combination. Yeah, Spencer Ratler to Bob me Yeah, I

1279
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 3: love that.

1280
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 4: And it kind of worked on Sunday.

1281
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 1: Actually there was bub Means his first real action as

1282
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: a and it was one of those things where those

1283
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: two guys are throwing to each other a lot in

1284
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 1: training camp as like the third stringers, and now they're

1285
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: starting and Rattler overall looked good in the first Interesting, Now,

1286
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: this is a Broncos defense that will probably not have

1287
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: Patrick certain who also suffered a concussion on Sunday, so

1288
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: that's unfortunate. But they're gonna throw a lot of blitzes

1289
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: at a bad Saints offensive line in a rookie quarterback.

1290
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 4: That's a tough recipe for the Saints.

1291
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:24,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1292
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 5: I was just looking at the fact that you have

1293
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 5: two rookie quarterbacks starting, and then two key players in

1294
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 5: concussion protocol, one on each team in Certain and Chris Alave.

1295
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 5: The Broncos offense has been tough to watch. They are

1296
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 5: really struggling, almost shut out at home. But Bonick's intercepted

1297
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 5: on his first attempt in that game just really set

1298
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 5: the tone for the rest of the day.

1299
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 3: They nixed the play really truly.

1300
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 5: Now they have no run game, no pop whatsoever. So

1301
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 5: it's either going to be a really good day for

1302
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 5: the Saints defen who just gave up fifty one points

1303
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 5: minus the one fumble return to the Bucks, or a

1304
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 5: really bad day for the Saints at home in a

1305
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 5: game that Sean Sean Payton Invitational.

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01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 2: So it's it's gonna be tough.

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01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 4: I don't know.

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01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 5: I don't know if obviously on a short week with

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01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 5: concussion protocol, I don't think that these guys will be

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01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 5: available for the game.

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01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 2: I wouldn't expect them to be.

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01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 8: No.

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01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 3: And yeah, Sean Payton, you know, and meeting New Orleans again,

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01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 3: and he said earlier this week, you know, he's not

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01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 3: expecting warm fuzzies, and but to be put you know,

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01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 3: in the sense that he's expecting the Saints fan base

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01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 3: to rise to the occasion like they so often do.

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01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 3: And it's it's interesting because this could be a chaos

1319
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 3: game in oh. I love a game just great, sloppy

1320
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 3: but interesting ways. I mean, you're gonna see two young

1321
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 3: quarterbacks I think, really work through some stuff in real time.

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01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 2: Right now.

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01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 3: Spencer Ratler is dealing with an offensive line and particularly

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01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 3: a center combination. They've had four different lineman play at

1325
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 3: least fifty snaps at center this season, which is the

1326
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 3: most of the NFL. In the NFL, they're rolling him

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01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 3: out a lot where actually he's throwing the ball pretty

1328
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 3: well on these designed rollouts in order to sort of

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01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 3: mitigate some of the extra pressure that he's seeing. Which

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01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 3: you know that the Broncos, even minus Pat certain locking

1331
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 3: down so much area of the field, so you are

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01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 3: able to send all these extra players and was playing

1333
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 3: at a defensive player of the Year candidcy candidacy profile

1334
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 3: to me, even without him, I think they're going to

1335
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 3: try to get after Spencer Ratler as much as they can.

1336
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 3: On the other side, I think the Saints are going

1337
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 3: to have to try to manufacture some stuff against Bonix

1338
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 3: as well. And the Saints defense is especially if Bonix

1339
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 3: goes on the move, they're kind of missing tackles in

1340
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 3: sketchy big spots right now.

1341
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 1: Their linebackers were terrible. That was a humbling loss for

1342
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: Dennis Allen and the Saints. Yeah, he's supposed to be

1343
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 1: a defense He is a defensive coach. He's been building

1344
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 1: this up. This was the whole vision of keeping Dennis Allen,

1345
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 1: who was the coordinator under Sean Payton for such a

1346
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: long time. At the end of Peyton's run, the vision was,

1347
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 1: we're going to keep this side of the ball as

1348
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 1: our steadying force and we'll figure it out.

1349
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 4: On offense, they obviously haven't.

1350
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 1: That's why they hired Clint Kubiak this offseason to run

1351
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 1: the offense. But now you're seeing some real decay on

1352
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 1: their defense. The secondary's very talented Marshawn Latimore is having

1353
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 1: a fantastic year. Overall, the secondary hasn't been their issue,

1354
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 1: but their linebacker play to Mario Davis is one of

1355
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 1: their best players. But it's almost like it got contagious.

1356
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: All their linebackers aren't making tackles. Cameron Jordan isn't as

1357
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 1: involved as he used to be in terms of playing

1358
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 1: and yeah, I mean this Bronco's The offensive line for

1359
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 1: the most part has been good this year, and if

1360
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 1: Dennis Allen gets embarrassed by like a rookie quarterback at

1361
01:02:55,280 --> 01:03:00,040
Speaker 1: home Sean Payton. It's an interesting organization in that I

1362
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 1: think Mickey Loomis has more power than just about any

1363
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 1: non owner in the NFL. Now that Pete Carroll and

1364
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick are out of the league, I think something

1365
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 1: really drastic and dramatic would have to happen for him

1366
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 1: to really get the attention of his boss ownership.

1367
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 4: Losing to Sean Payton and I'll do it.

1368
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, losing to Sean Payton, and I don't think it

1369
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 1: would be something where it would ever be in the

1370
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 1: middle of the season. That just doesn't strike me as

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01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 1: something the Saints would do, But it would be maybe

1372
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 1: the start of something of like, wow, this is not

1373
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 1: going well because frankly, I think they have the more

1374
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 1: talented rookie quarterback. I'm taking Spencer Radler long term over

1375
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 1: bow Nicks.

1376
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 4: Come at me.

1377
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 2: Are you taking the Saints this week?

1378
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 1: I think I will. I haven't thought about that yet.

1379
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 1: I guess we should part of this well. My official

1380
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 1: picks come on on game.

1381
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 4: Debut later in the week.

1382
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 1: By the way, ripped off a perfect record last week

1383
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 1: while I was over in No.

1384
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 4: Fourteen and oh, let's go, let's go.

1385
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 2: Good job.

1386
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 1: It was kind of a chalky week where some of

1387
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 1: a favorites rained. I'm still Cynthia still beating me, you know, overall,

1388
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 1: but good week.

1389
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 4: I think I would take them, just because I want

1390
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 4: to root for it.

1391
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 1: We're having the guys from the Saints Block Party podcast

1392
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 1: on live on YouTube after this game book that months ago,

1393
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 1: you know, thinking this is the game to have them.

1394
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 1: It's going to be crazy and I think it will

1395
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 1: be fun. So it's either going to be like a

1396
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 1: funeral for the Saints team because I think they become

1397
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 1: sellers at the trade deadline if they go to two

1398
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 1: and five here, But if they win their three and

1399
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 1: four and the division's not amazing, at least you're like

1400
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 1: still in the mix and you could hope that you

1401
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 1: get some players back healthy and get better as the

1402
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 1: course of the season goes on.

1403
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 3: I am going to pick the Broncos here. I am

1404
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 3: really looking forward to that live recap because win or lose.

1405
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 3: First of all, those guys have predicted so much of

1406
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 3: what's actually happened this season for the Saints. But also

1407
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 3: I loved when you had them on earlier because they

1408
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 3: just are so plugged into their team and they're also hilarious,

1409
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 3: and even if it's a chaos game like I'm personally

1410
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 3: hoping for, I can't wait to hear their thoughts about

1411
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 3: that and what the future of this team is looking

1412
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 3: moving forward. But yeah, I'm going to pick the Broncos

1413
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 3: in this. I think that Sean Payton, it's like, you know,

1414
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 3: just enough juice, you know, the old cyclist, you know

1415
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 3: who's in the Tour de France or whatever, and like

1416
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 3: you got just enough juice to do the one giant mountain,

1417
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 3: you know, and then you're then you're out.

1418
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 1: Like illegal substances that you're injecting into your body through

1419
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 1: like a complicated formula and whatnot.

1420
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 4: Or no, that's not what you're talking about.

1421
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 3: I don't mean that.

1422
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 4: No, I mean you say juice and you say cycling.

1423
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 2: That's what I think I'm taking the Saints.

1424
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 4: Okay, oh look at that.

1425
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was what the face was for.

1426
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 4: Greg.

1427
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 3: I was not figuring out why you're making that face

1428
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 3: of me, And now I understand, got it.

1429
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 1: Saints and Broncos on Thursday night, I'm wondering, like, what

1430
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 1: is the points in this game. The Broncos are favored

1431
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 1: by two points on the road. I thought it might

1432
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: be by more.

1433
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, but when you can't really throw the ball too

1434
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 4: well and.

1435
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 2: Your defense can't get off the field, I think.

1436
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:13,439
Speaker 1: They will on Sunday, I mean on Thursday night rather

1437
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 1: they have a good defensive line. My heart is saying Saints,

1438
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 1: my head is saying Broncos. It's more important to lead

1439
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 1: with your heart, so I'll stick with them. That was

1440
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 1: this week's TNF preview, presented by Prime Video. Be sure

1441
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 1: to watch the Denver Broncos take on the New Orleans

1442
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 1: Saints this Thursday on Prime Video. Thanks for watching NFL Daily.

1443
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 1: Thank you guys to forgiving me that juice today.

1444
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 3: Oh you're welcome.

1445
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 4: Not cycling, not the nothing illegal about it.

1446
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:43,919
Speaker 1: We will be back on Thursday with our preview show

1447
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 1: special guests this week. Stete Weis is still over in London,

1448
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 1: so joining Patrick Clayban and I will be none other

1449
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 1: than Brian Baldinger's on the show.

1450
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 2: That's great. That's gonna be so good.

1451
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 1: When you're talking about a tennis Allen team collapsing, you

1452
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 1: know football was backh