1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 2: Welcome in Friday edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. 4 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 3: Buck has the day off, which. 5 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 2: Means you'll be rolling with me headed into the weekend 6 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 2: over the next three hours. Right now, we are scheduled 7 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 2: to be joined by my friend from the Great State 8 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 2: of Texas, Representative Chip Roy, to talk about the house 9 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 2: speaker debate and the ensuing fallout at one we will 10 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:34,919 Speaker 2: probably also talk a little bit about his longhorns and 11 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 2: his wives Texas A and m Aggie's as that is 12 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 2: a big rivalry for those of you in the Lone 13 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 2: Star State. That's soon what we'll return next year when 14 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 2: both are going to be in the SEC. But I'm 15 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 2: headed down to the Great State of Texas tomorrow for 16 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: the Alabama against Texas A and M game. There'll also 17 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 2: be a big game going on up in Dallas between 18 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 2: Texas and Oklahoma. As many of you get ready for 19 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 2: what should be a fun fall weekend, We've got a 20 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 2: lot to hit you with During the course of the program, 21 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 2: will continue to update you on the fight for who 22 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 2: should be the house speaker. As we predicted on this show, 23 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 2: I think two days ago, certainly yesterday, Donald Trump has 24 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 2: endorsed Representative Jim Jordan from Ohio. You have heard Jim 25 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:25,199 Speaker 2: Jordan on this show for years now. He's a friend 26 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 2: to both Buck and myself. I think he would do 27 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,119 Speaker 2: a fabulous job as Speaker of the House. I said 28 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 2: that I think he's the right choice because I think 29 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 2: he can bring together the MAGA element and the more 30 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 2: moderate elements of this Republican Party and help to fight 31 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 2: for the things that matter against the Biden administration. 32 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 3: And so we may even hear from Jim today. I 33 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 3: don't know. 34 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 2: He's been obviously busy, as you can imagine, trying to 35 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: corral votes, but I was texting with him earlier his staff. 36 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 2: We may hear from him today. If we don't, I'm 37 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 2: confident we'll hear from. 38 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 3: Him next week. 39 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 2: But we'll talk with Chip Roy about the latest in 40 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 2: the battle there in the primary. Ron DeSantis has finally 41 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 2: taken off the gloves and he is throwing haymaker punches 42 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 2: at Donald Trump right now. 43 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 3: Are they going to land? Will they matter? 44 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 2: We will discuss that in a conjunction with what I 45 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:21,519 Speaker 2: think is a really fascinating motion that was filed by 46 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 2: Trump in Washington, d c. That I think has some 47 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 2: legitimate basis in the law to potentially knock out the 48 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 2: criminal charges against him related to what he did while 49 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:38,119 Speaker 2: he was president of the United States based on past precedent. 50 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 2: We will discuss that as well, but I want to 51 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 2: start with a story that I believe goes to the 52 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 2: heart of incentives and how when you make bad incentives, 53 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 2: you create bad outcomes. And you've heard Bucket me both 54 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 2: talk about the issue at the United States Southern border 55 00:02:57,639 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 2: and the reason why so many people are crossing the 56 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 2: southern and border ultimately boils down to two incentives that 57 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 2: exist that, so long as they exist, are going to 58 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 2: continue to drive people to leave their. 59 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 3: Countries and try to come here. One. 60 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 2: You can make twenty thirty forty times as much money 61 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 2: if you leave the country that you are in right 62 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 2: now and make it to the United States. There are 63 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 2: a lot of you listening to me right now that 64 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 2: like your jobs. If you could make twenty five percent 65 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 2: more money doing a similar job, many of you would say, yeah, 66 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 2: I'm leaving. An extra ten thousand dollars a year would 67 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 2: make a tremendous difference for you and your family. You 68 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 2: would go to a new job. The reason you would 69 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 2: go is the incentive of more money. Almost every single 70 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 2: person listening to me right now, if I told you 71 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 2: that you could make twenty times as much money as 72 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 2: you make now if you would go to Canada, almost 73 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 2: all of you would go. I think there are very 74 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 2: few of you that would say, you know what, I'm 75 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 2: so happy where I am right now in my job 76 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 2: that I will turn down twenty times as much money 77 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 2: to go to Canada and do a similar potential job. 78 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 2: So jobs is one incentive. The other, as we have 79 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 2: talked about, is birthright citizenship. If you lived in a 80 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 2: country without basic human rights and you wanted to have 81 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 2: a family, and you knew that if you had a 82 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 2: son or daughter in the United States, that son or 83 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 2: daughter would immediately become an American, you would be very 84 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 2: incentivized also to try to come to the United States. 85 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 2: Both of those incentives create the seven million plus illegals 86 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 2: that have then continued across our southern border, and certainly 87 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 2: failure to stop anyone from coming into the country. Removing barriers, 88 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 2: not building walls, all of that provides even more of 89 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 2: an incentive for people to come because the risk of 90 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 2: not getting in is comparatively low. 91 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 3: Okay, we know that goes on at the border. 92 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 2: I want to talk about this other story that I 93 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 2: have been discussing that I bet a lot of you 94 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 2: have not paid much attention to. There's a head football 95 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 2: coach was a head football coach at Michigan State University. 96 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 2: It's a guy by the name of mel Tucker, and 97 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 2: I think his story is emblematic of the incentive structure 98 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 2: that was created in the wake of the Brett Kavanaugh 99 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 2: hearings and the me too movement. 100 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 3: And it is the hashtag Believe All Women. 101 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 2: I didn't really hear much about that hashtag until Brett 102 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 2: Kavanaugh was framed as he attempted to rise to become 103 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 2: a Supreme Court justice. All of the allegations, and I 104 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,799 Speaker 2: say this as a lawyer who has done criminal law, 105 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 2: I dove into I analyzed. I know Buck felt the 106 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 2: same way. They were all complete and total crap, and 107 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 2: they wore a political hit job on Brett Cavanaugh. You 108 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 2: can say even that was a natural outgrowth of the 109 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 2: political hit job that was put in place that they 110 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 2: went after Clarence Thomas on. But it really went to 111 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 2: the next level because I don't remember during the Anita 112 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 2: Hill hearings, anybody trying to argue hashtag believe all women. 113 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 2: In fact, Joe Biden, who was then the chairman of 114 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 2: the Senate Judiciary Committee, to my best recollection, actually gave 115 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 2: a somewhat supportive as Democrats go version of that hearing 116 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 2: for Clarence Thomas. That was in a different time. Now, 117 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 2: Joe Biden, of course, would say that Clarence Thomas. 118 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,799 Speaker 3: Was guilty the moment he was accused. 119 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 2: Despite the fact that Joe Biden himself is credibly accused 120 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 2: of sexual assault to a far greater degree than almost 121 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 2: anyone in the world of politics, and certainly anyone who's 122 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 2: sitting on the Supreme Court today. Yes, I'm talking about 123 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 2: Tara Reid. But what happened when you say believe all women? 124 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 2: The argument is, well, there's lots of women out there 125 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 2: who are sexually assaulted and they don't come forward. And 126 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 2: certainly I believe if you've been a victim of violent 127 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 2: crime you should always come forward. But when you say 128 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 2: believe all women, you are by default saying don't believe men, 129 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 2: and you are therefore telling larger segments of the American public, 130 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 2: many of whom are honest, but also many of whom 131 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 2: are dishonest, that if you tell a story, the media 132 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 2: is going to be predisposed to believe you and disbelieve 133 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 2: the other person solely based on your gender. And that's 134 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 2: I believe what's happened at Michigan State University yesterday. You 135 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 2: might have heard me mention this on this show, but 136 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 2: let me give you a rough synopsis of what happened. 137 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 2: Michigan State then head football coach Mel Tucker, who has 138 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 2: a massive nine and a half million dollar contract, got 139 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 2: a ninety five million dollar I believe it was ten 140 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 2: year contract to coach football at Michigan State Universe, one 141 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 2: of the elite Big ten football institutions and the country. 142 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 2: Football is a big deal there. If you're not a 143 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 2: football fan, understand that. So Mel Tucker hires a woman 144 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 2: named Brenda Tracy to come talk to his football team 145 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 2: about the importance of not committing sexual assault and not 146 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 2: putting yourself in positions where you could be accused of 147 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 2: committing sexual assault. Basically, he teaches his team wants to 148 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 2: teach his team how young men should conduct themselves to 149 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 2: make sure that they are avoiding of trouble with women 150 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 2: while they are members of the Michigan State football team. 151 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 2: This woman, Brenda Tracy, comes and speaks. I believe once 152 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 2: spring game at Michigan State, then they develop a relationship. 153 00:08:56,000 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 2: Mel Tucker, by his own descriptions, has is man married 154 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 2: but is basically staying with his wife until the kids 155 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 2: are old enough to graduate from high school. 156 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 3: That's public, that's out there. 157 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 2: I don't like to dive into anybody's own marriage, but 158 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 2: it's known that he and his wife are basically partners 159 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 2: in raising their kids until they become graduate from high school, 160 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 2: and then they're going to go in their own own way. 161 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 2: My understanding is they sleep in different bedrooms, they have 162 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 2: limited interaction, but they want to raise their kids to 163 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 2: go to adulthood and then potentially they're going to go 164 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 2: in different directions. Again, I don't like to get into marriages, 165 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 2: but everybody wants to dive into this marriage because of 166 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 2: the situation that is ensued. Both he and Brenda Tracy 167 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 2: seem to be interested in each other. They had, according 168 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 2: to established record, twenty seven phone calls that lasted more 169 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:54,199 Speaker 2: than thirty minutes, twenty seven of them. I don't know 170 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 2: how many of you out there have engaged in twenty 171 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 2: seven phone calls of over thirty minutes with anyone in 172 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 2: the country. I would submit that that's fairly rare. The 173 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 2: younger you are, the less likely it is. I actually 174 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 2: think I have not had twenty seven to thirty minute 175 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 2: plus phone calls with anyone in the last year. Certainly 176 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 2: not my wife, certainly not my mom, not even the 177 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 2: people who are closest to me. I communicate primarily by text, 178 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 2: uh and you know, short phone calls. They were interested 179 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 2: in each other. One particular phone call lasted thirty six minutes, 180 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 2: Brenda Tracy. Brenda Tracy came out and said, after that 181 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 2: thirty six well, let me tell you what happened on 182 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 2: the thirty six minute phone call. Both parties acknowledge that 183 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 2: phone sex occurred. Thirty six minute phone call. Phone sex 184 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 2: occurs After that phone call. At some point in time, 185 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 2: mel Tucker decided, you know what, this relationship has gone 186 00:10:58,720 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 2: too far. 187 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 3: It's gotten personal. 188 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 2: I'm going to cut this relationship off, and he decided 189 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 2: not to have this woman come talk to his team again. 190 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 2: He canceled the speaking engagement. When that happened, Brenda Tracy 191 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 2: decided that the phone sex months after it happened had 192 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 2: actually been non consensual. This thirty six minute phone call 193 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 2: that happened. She said she froze and she couldn't hang up, 194 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:37,359 Speaker 2: and she turned mel Tucker in to Michigan State University, 195 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 2: and Michigan State University fired him, and they said, we're 196 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 2: not going to pay you the eighty million dollars remaining 197 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 2: on your contract. Now, I said, you might have heard 198 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 2: me talk about it on the show because I thought 199 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 2: it was so emblematic. I said, this is this, This 200 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 2: story on its face doesn't make sense. You can't have 201 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 2: a thirty six minute phone call, claim that you frozen 202 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 2: couldn't hang up, and then retroactively months later say you 203 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 2: didn't consent to phone sex and demand that the head 204 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 2: football coach get fired. What really happened, I think is 205 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 2: she was I told you all this. I think she 206 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 2: wanted a serious relationship with him, he decided to cut 207 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 2: it off. She went fatal attraction, turned him in and 208 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 2: tried to make him pay. 209 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:28,839 Speaker 3: Michigan State fired him. 210 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 2: When we come back, the text messages came out yesterday. 211 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 2: There is now one hundred percent evidence that Brenda Tracy 212 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 2: made up this entire story because she wanted to get 213 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 2: paid her own text messages. Make this case, Mel Tucker 214 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 2: has still lost his job. We've also got the Trevor 215 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 2: Bauer situation. I think this is all directly connected to 216 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 2: Brett Kavanaugh and the incentives that we build when we 217 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 2: say believe all women men are liars. I'm going to 218 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 2: open up phone lines because I would like to hear 219 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 2: from people. Eight hundred two eight two two eight eight two. 220 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 2: I think this is a big story because it's your nephews. 221 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 2: They are being accused of sexual assault and they're having 222 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 2: kangaroo courts on college campuses everywhere. They get no opportunity 223 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 2: to defend themselves, and they are being roundly condemned, oftentimes 224 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 2: when they are, as is the case with mel Tucker 225 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 2: one hundred percent innocent. What happens when incentives are broken? 226 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,839 Speaker 2: What can we learn from our failures? And why are 227 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 2: so few people willing to speak out and tell the truth. 228 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 2: This is a big story I want to dive into 229 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 2: here right off the top of the show today, Buck. 230 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 3: We'll be back on Monday. 231 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 2: Contrary to rumor, he's not playing hooky by spending the 232 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 2: day at the gun range. He's got a mantis X, 233 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 2: so he doesn't need to go there to practice. Mantiss 234 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 2: a firearms training system no amo, all electronic way to 235 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 2: improve your shooting accuracy without leaving the house. 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Get yours at mantisex 245 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 2: dot com. That's m A n tisx dot com. 246 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: Clay Travis at buck Sexton Making Sense in an Insane World. 247 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. I'm going 248 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 2: to read these text messages now for all of you. 249 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 2: A lot of you are gonna want a way in. 250 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 2: But during the commercial break, got good news. I want 251 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 2: to congratulate my wife Laura, who passed the bar exam. 252 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 2: So we're talking about legal related issues. We met in 253 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 2: two thousand and one at Vanderbilt Law School. She left 254 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 2: finished the first year, left had three kids, decided she 255 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 2: wanted to go back and finish the bar exam, and 256 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 2: so she finished law school this past May and now 257 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 2: has passed the Tennessee Bar. So I think, again, I 258 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 2: don't have any problem bragging on myself, but she doesn't 259 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 2: like when I brag on her. I think, I don't 260 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 2: think there's any moms out there. I know, certainly not 261 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 2: at the history of Vanderbilt Law School that have ever 262 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 2: started law school had three kids and then gone back 263 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 2: and finished the final two years of law school and 264 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 2: become a lawyer. 265 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 3: So I would say, just in general. 266 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 2: Whatever Hope's dreams aspirations you have, whether your dad or 267 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 2: a mom, it's never too late to go back and 268 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 2: be able to get them done. She had to do 269 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 2: all sorts of work to even get in. Vanderbilt had 270 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 2: never had a student request to do this before, and 271 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 2: so I'm super proud of her. I didn't even want 272 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 2: to talk about it much on the air because I 273 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 2: didn't want her to be targeted because she happens to 274 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 2: be my wife. But now she's passed the bar. She's 275 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 2: good to go, and I am super proud of her. 276 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 2: So again, twenty was the math. I'm doing the math here. 277 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 2: Twenty two years after she first entered law school, she 278 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 2: is now a graduate of vanderbil Law School and a 279 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 2: licensed attorney in the state of Tennessee. And I'm going 280 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 2: to lose even more arguments in the Travis household than 281 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 2: I have been losing before because now she is a 282 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 2: bonafide JD. I said that I was going to read 283 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 2: these text messages. I am, but I want to give 284 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 2: them time to breathe, so I will read them when 285 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 2: I come back. We're talking about the importance of incentives 286 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 2: and how hashtag Believe All Women is now leaving one 287 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 2: hundred percent innocent men who have done nothing illegal, nothing improper. Again, 288 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 2: melt Tucker is not accused of any crime at all. 289 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 2: All he did was engage in one instance of phone sex. 290 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 2: He lost an eighty million dollar job because this woman 291 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 2: decided it was the best way for her to get 292 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 2: paid by claiming that it was non consensual, and almost 293 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 2: nobody in the media is even willing to talk about it, 294 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 2: which is another part of this story because they're afraid 295 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 2: they're going to end up the target. The truth matters, 296 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 2: Honesty matters. 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I said on this show some time ago 333 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 2: because I find it so patently absurd. How do you 334 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 2: have non consensual phone sex? How is it possible that 335 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 2: you aren't able to hang up if someone is saying 336 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 2: something to you on the phone that you don't like. 337 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 2: From the moment this story started, I felt like I 338 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 2: was taking crazy pills because I look at all the evidence. 339 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 2: I look at the undisputed facts, and I analyze them. 340 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 3: I say, are you is this real? I'm not saying 341 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 3: mel Tucker's a saint. 342 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 2: Certainly it doesn't sound like he has a perfect marriage, 343 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 2: or an ideal marriage, or a marriage necessarily that you 344 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 2: would want to be involved in yourself. But it's a 345 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 2: huge percentage of you out there listening right now who 346 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 2: have been in difficult marriages, who may be divorced. 347 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 3: Again. He got fired. 348 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 2: This is how far the expansive the idea of consent 349 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:17,719 Speaker 2: has now moved to. There's no argument that he touched her, 350 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 2: that he behaved inappropriately, that there's any criminal allegation at all. 351 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 2: He got fired for what was claimed to be non 352 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 2: consensual phone sex, and I just said, I don't believe 353 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 2: that's possible, right, Like, does your phone not have a 354 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 2: hangout button? We know that that phone call in question 355 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 2: lasted thirty six minutes. I don't think I've been on 356 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:42,479 Speaker 2: a thirty six minute phone call this year. So here 357 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 2: are the text messages that I want to read to you, 358 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 2: and this was put out in the hearing yesterday. She 359 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 2: tried them to lead all of her text messages. Brinda 360 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 2: Tracy did. Her assistant died in a car accident and 361 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,160 Speaker 2: she tried to rush at the hospital. She was asking 362 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 2: whether she could get access to her assistants text messages, 363 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 2: and the family thought it was super weird and now 364 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 2: we know why she lobbied for She said, First of all, 365 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 2: she talked all about how much money Meltucker had. Talk 366 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 2: about how he got ninety five million dollar contract. That's 367 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 2: seven hundred thousand dollars a month. Can you imagine what 368 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 2: it would be like to have that kind of wealth. 369 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 2: She then texted, I'm filing a formal complaint with Michigan State. 370 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,719 Speaker 2: My lawyer said after that, we can let him know 371 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 2: we want to come to an agreement that it doesn't 372 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 2: have to go to a hearing or anything unless he 373 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 2: wants it to. 374 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 3: So she's looking for money literally. 375 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 2: In her own text message to her assistant and assistant's 376 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 2: text message, she claimed she deleted all of her text message. 377 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 2: The only reason we have access to this is because 378 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 2: her assistant who died. They weren't cleansed off of her devices. Evidently, 379 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 2: she told her assistant her attorney was reaching out to 380 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 2: Michigan State regarding a settlement, and that money is my 381 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:08,360 Speaker 2: only recourse to make him feel like there is a 382 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 2: punishment when they do the money. I should make him 383 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:17,360 Speaker 2: pay me ten grand directly. She's been tweeting, sorry, texting 384 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 2: her assistant. Tucker signed his contract. I can't even. 385 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 3: Wrap my brain around ninety five. 386 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 2: Million, she's Can you imagine around seven hundred thousand going 387 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 2: into your bank account every month? Every month. We're gonna 388 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 2: make it happen. I'm gonna ask him to finance the 389 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 2: doc she was evidently making a movie. 390 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 3: He'll do it. 391 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 2: One week before she filed her complaint against Tucker, demanding money, 392 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 2: she admitted she was down to the final five dollars 393 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 2: in her checking account. After having filed the complaint, she 394 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 2: texted again. These are her text messages. Imagine the victim 395 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 2: is taking on a ninety five million dollar coach. She 396 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 2: often referred to herself and the third person as the 397 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 2: victim as well as a good victim in many of 398 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 2: her text messages. In connection, I'm reading from the Meltucker letter. 399 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 2: In connection with realizing that quote, she was supposed to 400 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 2: be paying down twenty eighteen taxes. She was owed money 401 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 2: to the irs not caught up in other years. She 402 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 2: said to her assistant, quote having the irs after me 403 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 2: in a way that it's known publicly, surely won't help 404 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 2: my lawsuit. She admitted in writing that she engages in 405 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 2: quote professional crying when I share my story. She claims 406 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,360 Speaker 2: to be a victim of sexual assault. That is her business. 407 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 2: She goes and talks about her life as the sexual 408 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 2: assault victim. She then said that she was in dire 409 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 2: straits financially and said that her priority is a facelift 410 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 2: and filming myself so we can make this money. These 411 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 2: are again from a letter that mel Tucker put forward 412 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 2: to Michigan State. I'm reading some more details from the 413 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 2: text messages. She also again according to according to this 414 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 2: statement as detailed in a witnesses sworn statement, while this 415 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 2: woman's friend lay dying in a hospital, this is her assistant, 416 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 2: and even after her death, missus Tracy sought to sleep 417 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 2: over at this woman's house and repeatedly asked family for 418 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 2: access to her assistant's phone and computers. According to a 419 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 2: sworn statement, it really struck me odd that she would 420 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 2: want her things and would be asking for them as 421 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 2: her assistant lay dying in her hospital bed. After the 422 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,199 Speaker 2: doctor told us that that the woman was not her 423 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 2: assistant was not going to make it. Brenda Tracy stated, 424 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 2: according to this affidavit, I need to call my therapist 425 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 2: because I don't feel supported right now. Can you imagine 426 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 2: being in the hospital with someone dying. Your assistant is 427 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 2: dying and you say in front of her family, I 428 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 2: need to call my therapist because I don't feel supported 429 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 2: right now. You know who probably doesn't feel very supported, 430 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 2: the dead lady. This chick is crazy, and yet her 431 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 2: story was accepted as one hundred percent truth. She said 432 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 2: that she never engaged in personal relationships with anybody that 433 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 2: she worked with, because mel Tucker's defense is we were 434 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 2: engaged in a personal relationship. They've uncovered that she was 435 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 2: sleeping with at least one other married head coach in 436 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 2: college that she was working with. I'm not gonna name 437 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 2: him because I'm sure he's having a rough day right now. 438 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 3: But this is wild. 439 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 2: She also, in text messages reached claims she claims she 440 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 2: was a victim because her name came out. Professional victim 441 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 2: claims she's a professional victim. Her own text messages show 442 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 2: that she was regularly texting reporters at USA Today and ESPN, 443 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 2: tipping them off and asking them to write favorable stories 444 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 2: about her being a victim of non consensual phone sex. 445 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 2: I mean, I can't believe this story is real. Again, 446 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 2: these are her own text messages. I am reading from 447 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 2: the filing of mel Tucker's attorneys. Mel Tucker, the fire 448 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 2: coach at Michigan State. 449 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:08,239 Speaker 3: What is going on here? How is this not a 450 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 3: story that is everywhere? 451 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 2: Sometimes I feel fortunate to run out kick and to 452 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 2: have this platform, to be able to talk to all 453 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 2: of you every single day, because very often, and I'm 454 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 2: sure a lot of you feel like this too. I 455 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 2: feel like I'm taking crazy pills because I see stories 456 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 2: and I'm like, how is this not the number one 457 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 2: story in America? Mel Tucker got railroaded by what appears 458 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 2: to be a lying woman who was seeking his money. 459 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 2: By her own words, from her own text messages, how 460 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 2: does this happen? It's the incentive structure we have created. 461 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 2: And some of you might be saying, well, I don't 462 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 2: care about Michigan State, I don't care about mel Tucker. 463 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 2: Do you care about Brett Kavanaugh. Do you care about 464 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 2: Trevor Bauer? Do you care about who knows Russell Brand? 465 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 3: Maybe? Now, I want to be clear, sexual assault is real. 466 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,439 Speaker 2: Just because some women are lying doesn't mean all women 467 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 2: are lying. 468 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 3: But women should be furious about this. 469 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 2: And sexual assault survivors should be the most angry, because 470 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 2: when a woman lies for money, as has happened this 471 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 2: week with Trevor Bauer, former star pitcher of the Cincinnati 472 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 2: Reds and the Dodgers, and Mel Tucker just this week alone, 473 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 2: two different sexual assault accusers have been proven to be 474 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 2: one hundred percent liars. If you believe that sexual assault 475 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 2: is a serious problem, and I do, you should be 476 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 2: furious at these women because they actually make it harder 477 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 2: for true victims to come forward. And So, if you 478 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 2: don't care about Trevor Bauer, and you don't care about 479 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 2: Mel Tucker, and you don't care about Kavanaugh, do you 480 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 2: care about your sons? Do you care about your fathers, 481 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 2: your grandfathers, your uncles, your cousins, your nephews. When you 482 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:24,719 Speaker 2: say believe all women by default, you say all men lie. 483 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 2: And when you say that, you create an incentive for 484 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 2: dishonest women to have cash registers going off in their 485 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 2: head as it's clear Brenda Tracy did. And what's crazy 486 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 2: here is no one's even talking about this. A lot 487 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 2: of you are listening to me in Michigan right now. 488 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 2: We got a monster new affiliate in the Detroit area, 489 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 2: a lot of Michigan State fans up there. Is this 490 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 2: the number one story in Michigan? I bet it's not. 491 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,959 Speaker 2: How could it not be objectively? How could this not 492 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 2: be the number one story by itself in Michigan. 493 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 3: I think it should be the number one story to America. 494 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 3: I don't know. 495 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 2: I think you should go on Foxnews dot com right now. 496 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 2: It should be the top of the page. I think 497 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 2: you should go on CNN dot com. I think it 498 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 2: should be at the top of the page. I think 499 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 2: you should be the top of the page of New York Times. 500 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 2: I think it should be the top of the page 501 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 2: of Washington Post. Mel Tucker is getting fired by a 502 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 2: woman who is lying about their relationship and was doing 503 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,959 Speaker 2: all of this to try to get him fired solely 504 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 2: for money. Why is this not the number one story 505 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 2: in America? Because there's a lot of cowards out there, 506 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 2: This is my answer. I think there's a lot of 507 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 2: people who when the narrative doesn't fit what they want 508 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 2: the narrative to be. They want the man to be 509 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 2: the powerful, rich man. They want him to be the villain. 510 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 2: White man, black man, Asian man, hispananman, doesn't matter. They 511 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 2: want the man to be the villain here and the 512 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 2: woman to be the victim. That's the narrative arc, and 513 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 2: they're afraid to one upset the narrative arc. 514 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,959 Speaker 3: Two. There's a lot of men in media. 515 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 2: They're afraid that they'll be a target if they speak 516 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 2: out on this story and point out how dishonest it is. 517 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 2: I sometimes again feel like I take crazy pills because 518 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 2: I look around and I think to myself, how is 519 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 2: nobody else covering this? And the answer is because the 520 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 2: truth doesn't matter very much. 521 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 3: In media today. 522 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 2: It's a sad reality. And if you ever find yourself 523 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 2: in a media story, you'll understand this. I was driving 524 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 2: in the car with my kids yesterday. I picked them 525 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 2: up at school, my two oldest. They're old enough now 526 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 2: to understand it, fifteen and thirteen. Every now and then 527 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 2: they'll say, Dad, I saw you on YouTube, or they 528 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 2: watch YouTube. They don't watch television other than sports with me, 529 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 2: and they'll say, Dad, I saw you on television or 530 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,080 Speaker 2: I saw you they said I saw you on YouTube, 531 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 2: And I always have the same conversation with him. I say, 532 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 2: you know what, guys, that's fun. That's all great that 533 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 2: people might have opinions of me. It can be positive 534 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 2: or negative. Don't pay attention to what anybody says about 535 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 2: your dad outside of the house. 536 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 3: Like do you think they know me as well as you? 537 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 2: Guys, do judge people based on what you know, not 538 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 2: based on what others say about them who know them 539 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 2: a lot worse than you do. It's a good lesson 540 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 2: for all of life. But my goodness, open phone lines 541 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 2: will take some of your calls. 542 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 3: Here. 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Danielle, let you describe 573 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 2: you are a rape survivor. You have helped to bring 574 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 2: awareness to these issues. Tell us where you work, what 575 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 2: you do and your reaction to this story. 576 00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 4: Yes, sir, thank you for having me on the program. 577 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 4: I really appreciate that. I actually am a rape survivor, 578 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 4: activist and advocate and have been for the last fifteen years. 579 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 4: I stepped forward as a named victim of Richard Gilmour, 580 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 4: who was the Jogger rapist, and since then, that was 581 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 4: two thousand and eight, and since then I pretty much 582 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 4: have dedicated my life to working on issues surrounded around 583 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 4: sexual assault. So in various states, I've changed over a 584 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 4: dozen different laws and have worked on the rape kit backlog, 585 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 4: have worked nationally with the Joyful Heart Foundation and with 586 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 4: RAIN so got quite a resume, and I currently in 587 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,840 Speaker 4: Oklahoma belonged to the Governor's Sexual Assault Kit Task Force 588 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 4: and am still changing laws between Oregon and Oklahoma on 589 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 4: different related issues, you know, surrounding sexual assault and the 590 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 4: sex offender Registry and and things like that that actually 591 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 4: affect me directly. 592 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,320 Speaker 3: Well, thank you for all the work that you're doing. 593 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 2: And certainly the rape kit backlog that exists all over 594 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 2: this country is indefensible and should be rectified. So I 595 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,720 Speaker 2: appreciate all the work you're doing there and the bravery 596 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 2: for speaking. Now do you know Brenda Tracy, what do 597 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 2: you think of this story based on the text messages 598 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 2: and all of the details that have come out. 599 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 4: You know, I do know Brenda Tracy. I actually worked 600 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,399 Speaker 4: with her in Oregon and we both actually served on 601 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,760 Speaker 4: the Governor's Sexual Assault Kit Task Force in Oregon as well, 602 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:40,919 Speaker 4: and we both worked on that legislation. So I don't 603 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:45,800 Speaker 4: have a close relationship with Brenda, but I definitely have 604 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 4: been following the story very closely just because I do 605 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:55,399 Speaker 4: know Brenda. I guess my first question, you know, when 606 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 4: it first broke about what was happening, the text mesthod 607 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,239 Speaker 4: I think was to me was the red flag with 608 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 4: the deleted text messages on both sides. The first thing 609 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 4: that came to my mind is that we really do 610 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,400 Speaker 4: need to know what was in those text messages to 611 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 4: be able to prove one side or the other. And 612 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 4: I think with the release of those I think we're 613 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 4: getting a little bit more of a clear picture as 614 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 4: to the relationship and possible other relationships with others as well. 615 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 2: And in general, your position would be women who lie 616 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 2: are the enemy of true victims, right, women, regardless, this 617 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,799 Speaker 2: is the worst thing that you could do. You want 618 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 2: everybody to speak forward, but people have to be. 619 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 4: Honest, right, And this case I think is by far 620 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 4: still not over and done.