1 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Good morning. It's Friday, the fifteenth of September here in London. 2 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 1: This is the BlueBag Day Recurate podcast. I'm Caroline Hepka. 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 2: And I'm Stephen Carroll. Coming up today, a union representing 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty thousand US auto workers goes on strike, 5 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 2: hitting three of the country's biggest car makers. 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:22,080 Speaker 1: Arms shehes jumped by twenty five percent as this year's 7 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: biggest IPO takes off. 8 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 2: And we take a closer look at However, wilder weather 9 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 2: swings have forced a complete redesign of some of the 10 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 2: world's busiest airports. 11 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: Let's start with a round up of our top stories. 12 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 2: Workers at America's biggest auto union have gone on strike 13 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 2: after a deadline to agree a deal with three major 14 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 2: car makers. Past, GM, Ford and Stillantis are currently offering 15 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 2: pay rises of up to twenty percent over four and 16 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 2: a half years, but the United Auto Workers once thirty 17 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 2: six percent union represents one hundred and fifty thousand workers. 18 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 2: Speaking before the deadline passed, its president Sean Fain, made 19 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: clear they would not be backing down. 20 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 3: If we need to go all out, we will. 21 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 2: Everything is on the table. One study suggests that even 22 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 2: a ten day strike by Sean Fain's UAW Union could 23 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 2: cast the US economy five point six billion dollars in 24 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 2: last output and push the state of Michigan into recession. 25 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: Shares in the UK based chip designer ARM have climbed 26 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: twenty five percent after the year's biggest stock listing. Though 27 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: ARM isn't well known amongst consumers, its technology is almost 28 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 1: in every smartphone. The UK government failed in its bid 29 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: to convince the firm, though to list in London, but 30 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: the company's CEO Rene Haas has told Bloomberger that he 31 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 1: is open to the idea of a secondary listing in Britain. 32 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, so today obviously we're in New York, but we're 33 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 4: incredibly proud of our UK heritage and we are opening 34 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 4: to considering that down the road. 35 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: Has added that he's confident that the company's growth will 36 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: be sustained. The IPO raised close to five billion dollars 37 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: for investment firm soft Bank, which still owns ninety percent 38 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: of ARM. 39 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 2: China's economy is picking up steam as a summer travel 40 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 2: boom and Beijing stimulus measures have helped to boost consumer 41 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 2: spending and factory output. Industrial and realist retail sales growth 42 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 2: jumped in August from a year earlier, far exceeding expectations. 43 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 2: PBOC left its key policy rate on changed while injecting 44 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 2: cash into the market for the tenth consecutive month. Still, 45 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 2: weakness in the property market remains as prices continue to decline. 46 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: The European Central Bank has raised interest rates for the 47 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 1: tenth time in a row, announcing the move to four percent. 48 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 1: ECB President Christine the God signaled a shift in gear 49 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: that could mean the peak has been reached. 50 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 5: The focus is probably going to move a bit more 51 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 5: to the duration, but it is not to say, because 52 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 5: we can't say that now that we are at peak. 53 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 1: Many economists and investors has thought that a four percent 54 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: base rate would be the high water mark. The central 55 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: bank new outlook for economic growth shows markedly softer expansion 56 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: and inflation staying above two percent until the end of 57 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. For Europe. Markets have also brought forward 58 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 1: pricing now the first twenty five basis point ECB rate 59 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: cut to dune next year. In the wake of Legard's comments. 60 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 2: The US President's son has been charged with unlawfully purchasing 61 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 2: of firearm as a legal issues muddy his father's bid 62 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 2: for re election. After Hunter Biden's plea deal imploded earlier 63 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 2: this year, prosecutors have begun to file a case against him. 64 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 2: Democratic Congressman Jamie Raskin says backing the courts should be 65 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 2: a bipartisan issue. 66 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 4: We can all applaud the fact when the system in 67 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 4: the courts is working and the justice system is working. 68 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 4: And you know, I don't think people should applaud the 69 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 4: system when it works for Hunter Biden, but then try 70 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 4: to tear the system down when it works for Donald Trump. 71 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 2: Maryland Representative and law professor Jamie Raskin reacting there to 72 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 2: Republicans who are calling for more charges to be brought 73 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 2: against Hunter Biden. The team investigating his Biden's son have 74 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 2: signaled that they are considering bringing more serious charges for 75 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 2: alleged failures to report millions of dollars in income, including 76 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 2: from China and Ukraine. 77 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: And lastly, Apple is facing a controversy in France over 78 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 1: the iPhone twelve's radiation levels. Bluemoker has learned that it 79 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 1: has advised its tech support staff not to volunteer any 80 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: information to customers if they raise the issue. It comes 81 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: as the French government asks Apple earlier this week to 82 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: see sales of the iPhone twelve because tests showed that 83 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: the device emits electromagnetic waves that are too strong. Apple 84 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: rebutted the claims and said that it would engage with 85 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: France to show that the iPhone twelve is compliant. Seems 86 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:46,799 Speaker 1: that we have a theme this week of the most 87 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: weird and wonderful jobs that there might be out there 88 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: for you. NASA has named a new person who's going 89 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: to be in charge of UFOs, basically trying to find 90 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: a sign scientific evidence based approach to understanding unexplained events 91 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: in the sky. We all know that it's a US obsession, 92 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: it seems to perhaps a global one, but now there's 93 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: going to be one person sort of solely in charge 94 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: of looking at it at NASA. 95 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 2: Interestingly, they won't name the person, which is perhaps other 96 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 2: email inbox isn't filled with their reports from people around 97 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 2: the world. But it is someoney who has worked in 98 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 2: the position for a while, according to NASA, and then 99 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 2: they went on to name him after that, after saying 100 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 2: they wouldn't originally. And Mark McInerney is the man. So 101 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 2: I mean, this is going to be a very interesting 102 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 2: position to watch to see what I wonder. 103 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: Why, because for decades NASA has tried to ignore some 104 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: perhaps sometimes unexplained, at least pubjects publicly unexplained objects in 105 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: the sky. But then they started asking, you know, sourcing 106 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: the public for information about it, and they want to 107 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: have apparently a conversation that is less sensational and more 108 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: about science. So yeah, there you go, strange and interesting 109 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:03,239 Speaker 1: jobs in the world. 110 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, in our basket of strange interesting jobs of this week. 111 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 2: Let's turn next to get the latest on that move, 112 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 2: the thousands of members of the United Auto Workers who've 113 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 2: gone on strike at selected General Motors, Ford and Stillantis 114 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 2: plants in the United States. This comes after the union 115 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 2: and automakers fail to reach a deal on a new 116 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 2: labor contract. We've got Bloomberg, Crity Goop too with us 117 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 2: in studio for more on this story. CREATI great to 118 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 2: have you with us. What exactly has happened? The deadline 119 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 2: has passed. 120 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 3: The deadline has passed. Look, there's picketing happening right now 121 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 3: in Detroit, Michigan and Missouri, and a lot of these 122 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 3: carmaker plants across the United States. But mind you, it 123 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 3: is the middle of the night and basically plants. Workers 124 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 3: have quite literally walked off of the property and started picketing, 125 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 3: including the president of the United Auto Workers Union, Sean 126 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 3: Fain himself. Now he's the one who declared the strike, 127 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 3: he's the one who's been in the bargaining table with 128 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 3: gm Ford Stalantis. But he's representing about one hundred and 129 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 3: fifty thousand people, mostly concentrated in Detroit, Michigan. But let 130 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 3: me just kind of emphasize the scale of how big 131 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 3: of a deal this is if the strike goes on 132 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 3: long enough, because we're in the what early hours of it, 133 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 3: It's been about two hours since that declaration has been made. 134 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 3: If the strike goes on long enough, economists has said, 135 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 3: not only will Detroit perhaps face the recession, the city 136 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 3: of Detroit, but the entire state of Michigan that is 137 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 3: in the top ten GDP contributors to the entire American economy. 138 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 3: That's how big of a deal this is. But look, 139 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 3: it affects people right here at home as well, in 140 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 3: Europe and in London as well, and arguably in China. 141 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 3: And the CEO of Mercedes Benz made a really great point. 142 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 3: This changes the cost of labor because when you take 143 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty thousand people out of the supply 144 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 3: of labor. You are suddenly not only paying higher wages, 145 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 3: you're looking for more people. And that's going to ultimately 146 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 3: show up in how much a consumer pays for a vehicle. 147 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: How the company is then reacting and responding to this, 148 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: it's obviously after a series of negotiations. 149 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Stalantis was the first to respond. And look, 150 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 3: Stalantis is a really interesting component here because it's the one, 151 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 3: only one company of the three that is not actually 152 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 3: American in Detroit, right, this is a European company. And 153 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 3: we've had CEO Carlos Tavaz on the network multiple times 154 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 3: and one of the criticisms of that was that he 155 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 3: wasn't as involved in the negotiations with the union. So 156 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 3: his very first commentary was that he was disappointed that 157 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 3: the UAW wasn't willing to engage. But again, the UAW 158 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 3: has made the point that Carlos Tavaraz wasn't willing to 159 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 3: engage by making the trip to Detroit. So there are 160 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 3: two sides to the story here. The commentary Stalanta's made 161 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 3: as they are in contingency mode, they are preparing for 162 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 3: the worst. They're expecting this to go much much longer, 163 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 3: and and it very well could. 164 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 2: What what could be the impact of this down the 165 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 2: line obviously say we're in the early hours of this 166 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 2: as well, but disruption to these lie these lines of 167 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 2: production could be huge. 168 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 3: Massive, absolutely massive. And FOURD and GM are really going 169 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 3: to take the brunt of it here simply because of 170 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 3: the presence that they have in the United States as well. 171 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 3: I think the timeline really matters here because look at 172 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 3: what the negotiating terms actually were. The union came out 173 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 3: and said came out was swinging really and said over 174 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 3: the next four and a half year contract, a forty 175 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 3: six percent pay raise. 176 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: That is a staggering that's a lot. 177 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, that is a. 178 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 3: Lot for even the highest of achievers. But that has 179 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 3: still been negotiated down to about thirty six percent. And 180 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,839 Speaker 3: GM ford have come out and said, look, we'll give 181 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 3: you twenty percent over four and a half years, which 182 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 3: again is not a number of scoff app but is 183 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 3: still significantly lower than what they're asking for at thirty 184 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 3: six percent. So seeing a lot of pain there. 185 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, But I suppose you know, low unemployment, high 186 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: inflation means really quiet eyewatering numbers. I mean, I suppose 187 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: the other thing is the impact on electric vehicle makers. 188 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: This is the great change that the US is making 189 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: the rest of the world is meant to be making. 190 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I remember back in the day when I 191 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: was living in the US and we had the Great 192 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:46,439 Speaker 1: Financial Crisis, and you know, Obama bailing out Detroit effectively 193 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: having to help out those those huge names because there 194 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: was so many difficulties for them. Massively important industry for 195 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: the US. 196 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 3: Oh massively. And you know, these blue collar workers really 197 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 3: take it as a point of pride. So it's not 198 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,079 Speaker 3: just about the money here or or the working conditions. 199 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 3: It really is about this kind of industry that they've 200 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 3: built with their hands. And I would argue, I mean, 201 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 3: let's take a quick case study here, Tesla. For example, 202 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 3: when you think of electric vehicles, a lot of that 203 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 3: process is automated, a lot of that process has to 204 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:17,839 Speaker 3: do with engineering with batteries, not necessarily physical manual labor 205 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 3: or design, for example, And that's really where you start 206 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 3: to see the structural shift in the auto industry really 207 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 3: take hold. And that's of course one of the concerns 208 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 3: on top of pay as well. But look, you're seeing 209 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 3: that happen across the country in Hollywood, you're seeing that 210 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 3: in shipping, You're seeing that in Wall Street, You're even 211 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 3: seeing that in Silicon Valley. 212 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 6: So this is a. 213 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 3: True labor movement that really couldn't have this large of 214 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 3: an effect if you weren't seeing it in every industry 215 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 3: in every part of the country. 216 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 2: What about the political ramifications of this as well, because 217 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 2: for obviously this is something that's going to be brought 218 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 2: up both in election campaigns but also democratic prisments in 219 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 2: the white How important is that in this background. 220 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 3: It's really interesting actually because the UAW, when you think 221 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 3: of Democrats versus Republicans, Democrats traditionally favor unions. Republicans traditionally 222 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 3: favorite kind of corporations and fewer regulations and things like that. 223 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 3: A lot of union workers had actually voted for President Biden. 224 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 3: That's not surprising. The UAW specifically has not endorsed President 225 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 3: Biden in the reelection for twenty twenty four, which is 226 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 3: really interesting because most unions do they lean Democrat. So 227 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 3: you've actually seen President Traumas some of the other Republican 228 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 3: candidates go after the UAW and say, hey, will you 229 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 3: endorse us instead? In one hundred and fifty thousand votes 230 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,439 Speaker 3: in Detroit in Michigan. That's not something to scoff at 231 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 3: and could really change the entire game of how the 232 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 3: election works out in a year. 233 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely so interesting, CHRITTI, thank you so much for 234 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: being with us on Bloomberg BAJ this morning. Bloeberg's Pretty 235 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: so to a story about airports across the world. They 236 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: are making changes to their runways and other infrastructure in 237 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: order to adapt to increasingly extreme weather conditions as climate 238 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: change takes its toll. Bloomberg's Aerospace with Paul To Kate 239 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: Duffy joins us for more on this story. Now, good morning, Kate, 240 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: thanks for your time. How is climate change then having 241 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: an impact on airports? 242 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 6: So, what we're seeing is that climate change is having 243 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 6: a profound impact on airports, so much so that it 244 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 6: can sometimes disrupt air travel by causing delays and cancelations. 245 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 6: And the extreme weather conditions derived from climate change include 246 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 6: higher precipitation levels, storm surges, higher temperatures, and this could 247 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 6: all destroy airport infrastructure over time. So, for example, the 248 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 6: London looton Airport's runway last year during the heat wave 249 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 6: suffered a surface defect, and more recently, sudden rainfall in 250 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 6: Frankfurt's airport caused the airfield to flood, making it almost 251 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:50,839 Speaker 6: making it look like planes were parked in a lake. 252 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 6: And meanwhile, over in Alaska, underlying permafrost is thawing due 253 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 6: to higher temperatures, drawing runways and roads as well. So 254 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 6: this isn't just specified to airports in one corner of 255 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 6: the world. This is all over. 256 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:12,439 Speaker 2: How urgent is this issue? And I suppose how widespread 257 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 2: are we talking? You mentioned some of the diverse locations there, 258 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 2: but I suppose how many airports are really looking at this? 259 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, so those are some of the airports that I 260 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 6: spoke to. But there's no doubt that the aviation industry 261 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 6: is taking the matter extremely seriously. So eurice Control, for example, 262 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 6: that's the European Airspace Coordinator, has called on airports as 263 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 6: well as airlines to adapt to the more frequent weather 264 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 6: conditions that we are seeing. While the Portable Authority of 265 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 6: New York and New Jersey they said that they're on 266 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:48,839 Speaker 6: very high alert because of the threats of climate change, 267 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 6: and from the airports I've spoken to, it's clear that 268 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 6: that the issue affects different latitudes, which is why it's 269 00:13:56,360 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 6: so prevalent, and it's obviously important to keep global air 270 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 6: traffic flowing, keep it smooth. And if airports don't adapt 271 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 6: to the weather extremes in their climate, this could leave 272 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 6: them exposed to damage and disruption and obviously forcing delays 273 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 6: and cancelations. 274 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: What are airports doing about it then, and also obviously 275 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: the costs must be significant. 276 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 6: Yeah, So different airports are making different adaptations according to 277 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 6: the climatic changes that they're experiencing. So in Alaska, one 278 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 6: of the measures that they've been implemented is slotting insulation 279 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 6: into the ground to thermally protect the permafrost because when 280 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 6: it thaws, as I said, this can destroy runways and roads. 281 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 6: And in New York, the port is looking to elevate 282 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 6: or relocate buildings to other areas of the airport which 283 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 6: are less flood like prone. And that's because a lot 284 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 6: of New York airports are low lying and near bodies 285 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 6: of water, so whenever there's increased precipitation or storm surges, 286 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 6: this can increase the risk of flooding. And in fact, 287 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 6: JFK is undergoing a nineteen billion dollar transformation and part 288 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 6: of that includes adaptations to climate change, such as flood doors, 289 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 6: whereas closer to home we're having different issues. So in France, 290 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 6: Nice Airport has cut back on the amount of industrial 291 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 6: water that it uses for cleaning because of a lack 292 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 6: of water and higher temperatures, and ship Or Airport in 293 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 6: Amsterdam is tackling the blazing heat by creating shadowed areas 294 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 6: and also tackling the high precipitation by redesigning runways so 295 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 6: they're elevated slightly in the center and then slope down 296 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 6: towards the sides. 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