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Speaker 1: talk about it. This is the Late Kick Extra podcast.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not diving into a pool that I want

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Speaker 1: it without further Ado Colin, of all people, not Director Colin,

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Speaker 1: where the sport's headed. I look at it and say,

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Speaker 1: I don't prefer that route, but I think it'll be okay.

431
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Speaker 1: But there are certain aspects of the sport we're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to give up to get that thing. We don't

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Speaker 1: live in a perfect world. That's kind of where I

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Speaker 1: land on that. With college conference realignment, I don't look

435
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Speaker 1: at that and say, oh, burn it to the ground.

436
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Speaker 1: It's over as we know it. USC is going to

437
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Speaker 1: play in the Big Ten. We're done. But I do

438
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Speaker 1: look at it and say I don't prefer it that way.

439
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Speaker 1: I look at new media rights deals, I look at

440
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Speaker 1: the Big Ten in the SEC expanding and pulling away

441
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Speaker 1: from the rest of the pack, and I say to myself,

442
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Speaker 1: not that it's gonna burn the sport to the ground,

443
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Speaker 1: but man, I really wish, I really wish things were

444
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Speaker 1: distributed to leave it a little more evenly. I wish

445
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Speaker 1: the regionality aspect was maintained in college football. But it

446
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Speaker 1: doesn't mean I hate where things are going. I don't

447
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Speaker 1: know of much that I truly look at and just

448
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 1: like absolutely hate, right now, but there are things that

449
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Speaker 1: I don't prefer. But Chris, the way I choose to

450
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Speaker 1: look at it is I choose to for every negative

451
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Speaker 1: I point out, I choose to take one positive that

452
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,199
Speaker 1: I see from the sport. And there are tons of

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Speaker 1: them still leaving today. And I always go back to

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Speaker 1: just Saturday in the fall. It's such an old talking

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Speaker 1: point for me, but that's what I always go back to.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna eventually get to Saturdays in the fall this year,

457
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Speaker 1: like we always do, and we're going to get to

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Speaker 1: week three or Week six or Week eight, and they're

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Speaker 1: gonna be big games, and in the middle of the

460
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 1: third quarter, you're gonna be just as wrapped up in

461
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Speaker 1: it as you always have been, and I'll be just

462
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Speaker 1: as wrapped up in it as I always have been,

463
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Speaker 1: and no one will be thinking about these things that

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Speaker 1: we claim to hate in that moment. And my point

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Speaker 1: has been and will continue to be as long as

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Speaker 1: you're giving me those moments. As long as those moments

467
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Speaker 1: still exist, I don't have to love everything that's happening

468
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Speaker 1: around the sport, but I'll still be able to tolerate it. Now,

469
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Speaker 1: if you were to, don't know how you would do this.

470
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Speaker 1: But if you somehow rip that away from me, well

471
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Speaker 1: then I would leave the sport. The reason I say

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Speaker 1: that so defiantly is because I think I'm safe. I

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Speaker 1: don't think you can take fallse Saturdays from me. I

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Speaker 1: don't think so. Knock on fake wood here, really fake wow.

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Speaker 1: Listen to that rattle, Bradley. Okay, we're good. So I

476
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Speaker 1: don't hate it, Chris, I guess is my answer. I

477
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Speaker 1: don't hate it. I think that it also behooves me

478
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Speaker 1: in my line of work to be kind of eternally

479
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Speaker 1: optimistic about things. I talked a couple of weeks ago.

480
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Speaker 1: I think it was about anytime I talk to Shannon Terry,

481
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Speaker 1: who runs on three now, anytime I talk to him,

482
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Speaker 1: he's like gung ho head over heels, really confident about

483
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Speaker 1: the direction of the sport. And I don't share that

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Speaker 1: enthusiasm that all the moves that are happening right now

485
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Speaker 1: is leading us to this big future, golden age of

486
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Speaker 1: college football. Clatt Joel Clatt talks the same way. I

487
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Speaker 1: don't share their enthusiasm. However, I hope they're right about

488
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Speaker 1: it because I don't disagree with them. I'm just kind

489
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Speaker 1: of I'm kind of holding back a little bit saying, eh,

490
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Speaker 1: I don't necessarily know if that's the case. And then

491
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Speaker 1: you also have to define your value system, so you

492
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: have to define what you love. You may not love

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Speaker 1: what I love. So you know, if you don't just

494
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Speaker 1: love fall Saturdays, if you look at them as a

495
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Speaker 1: precursor to getting to the postseason, and you don't really

496
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Speaker 1: care about the roster integrity of a team, therefore you

497
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: don't mind that half the sport tends to move around

498
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 1: in the transfer portal. That's an exaggerated number, but you

499
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Speaker 1: get what I'm saying. Well, then you don't even view

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Speaker 1: those things as bad period. You view them as really

501
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: really good. You don't care whatsoever. In fact, you may

502
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Speaker 1: think it's a positive. The bigger the playoff gets and

503
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 1: it removing value from regular season games. Not mattering to

504
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: you is irrelevant. So you may totally be seeing a

505
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Speaker 1: different tune than I am. But even if you do

506
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Speaker 1: agree with me, I don't think that we look at

507
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Speaker 1: it and say, oh man, we hate where it's going.

508
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Speaker 1: And also, Chris, remember this, if this is any kind

509
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Speaker 1: of solace for you, if things were to go from

510
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 1: bad to worse to worse to worse to worse, we

511
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: do have the kind of trapdoor in twenty twenty six

512
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Speaker 1: that they have not renewed or they have not defined

513
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 1: the new playoff deal. They have not gotten to that

514
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: point where they've mapped out what the playoff will look

515
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 1: like from twenty twenty six and beyond. So who knows.

516
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Speaker 1: There's going to have to be a lot of agreement

517
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Speaker 1: in the room from a lot of parties that aren't

518
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Speaker 1: prone to agreeing with each other before that happens. Now,

519
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: do I think they're going to maintain it? Of course, absolutely,

520
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 1: I think they are. What's the structure going to look like?

521
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Speaker 1: Million different things. I'm not going down that road today.

522
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Speaker 1: Million different things. We need to keep our eyes on there.

523
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Speaker 1: You need to keep your eye on what the next

524
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Speaker 1: question is. Certainly not a random ad toss. I wouldn't

525
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 1: worry about that if I were you. Uh, and this

526
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: is a good question. Let me take a sip of coffee.

527
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you partially the reason I have to load

528
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Speaker 1: up on the coffee between questions because I try and

529
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Speaker 1: time my days out. I don't know how how many

530
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: of you work out in the middle of the day,

531
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 1: and may take some pre workout supplement, But you're not

532
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 1: supposed to be taking that stuff like an hour after

533
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: you drink coffee. And I do plan on going to

534
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 1: the gym right after I record here. So I mean,

535
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: do we want to be slamming two hundred and eighty

536
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Speaker 1: milligrams of caffeine right after we slammed a cup of

537
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Speaker 1: coffee with only a bowl of sugar free oatmeal separating us.

538
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,959
Speaker 1: I don't think that that's ideal. So I'm trying to

539
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: get it all chugged right here and then burn about

540
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Speaker 1: an hour and a half or two hours all right.

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Speaker 1: From Pittsburgh, PA. Mark asks why does James Franklin continuously

542
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Speaker 1: get dragged by internet trolls? Mark? I think you just

543
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: answered your question. Why does he get dragged by internet

544
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: trolls who say he is holding Penn State back despite

545
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: the upward trajectory of the program. Jim Harbaugh fell under

546
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: the same scrutiny two years ago, Mark, you just answered

547
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: your question. Two times. You answered your question. Internet trolls

548
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 1: is the answer for why anyone is getting dragged at

549
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: any given point. And number two, you said it better

550
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 1: than I even was going to. You said Jim Harbaugh

551
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: was dealing with the same thing a couple of years ago,

552
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: so now he's not dealing with it anymore. No one's

553
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: saying Jim Harball can't beat Ohio State because he has.

554
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: No one is saying Harbball can't win the Big Ten

555
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: cause he has. No one's saying he can't make the

556
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: playoff cause he has. I guess there is a small

557
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: little island of trolls that say, oh, harbar soits because

558
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 1: he can't win a playoff game. And enjoy your island

559
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 1: if you are amongst those trolls. But notice where the

560
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 1: rest of them went? Mark, Do you see where the

561
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: rest of them went? No, you don't see where they went,

562
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: because they disappeared. This is how a troll operates. Trolls

563
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: are like trying to nail jello to the wall. They

564
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: just move on to the next cause djure. They move

565
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: on to the next nonsensical talking point. They never have

566
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: to answer for anything because their profile picture is some

567
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: character from an animated movie. It's never their face. They

568
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: never give you their real name. Again, this is the

569
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: life of a troll. And in between eating the second

570
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Speaker 1: and third plate of hot pockets that their mom walks

571
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: down the stairs and gives them in the afternoon. This

572
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: is what they do, and so with Harbaugh they did

573
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: it for a long time. None of them ever walked

574
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: back to the table and said I was wrong about

575
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: Jim Harbam because accuracy is really not at the forefront

576
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: of their overall game plan, nor is it with James Franklin.

577
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Speaker 1: So my take on James Franklin has been for a

578
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: few years now the same as my take was with

579
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Speaker 1: Kirby Smart for a while. No, he hasn't won the

580
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: national title. No he hasn't done this or done that.

581
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: In Kirby's case, it was no, he hasn't beaten Nick Saban.

582
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: No they haven't beaten Alabama. That doesn't mean they can't.

583
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: And people would come back at me and said, well,

584
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: that's stupid. If they could beat them, they would have.

585
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: That's not true. That's not true at all. If I

586
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: have a three point thirty two batting average, it means

587
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: I'm capable of getting a base hit if I happen

588
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: to go, oh for twelve at some point in the season.

589
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: Are you gonna come at me and saying, oh, how

590
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: about this, here's a better example. If I'm a three

591
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: thirty two lifetime hitter. But I start a season zero

592
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Speaker 1: for twelve. Therefore, I haven't shown you any evidence technically

593
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna get a hit that year. It would

594
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: be stupid for you to say you can't get a

595
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: hit if you were serious and not just being insulting.

596
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: You can't get a hit, Well, yeah I can, I

597
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: just haven't. I mean I've got a three thirty two

598
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: lifetime average. Certainly I can get a hit. Uh uh. Well,

599
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: with Kirby Smart, there were all kind of indicators around

600
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Speaker 1: him to lead you to believe he was always capable

601
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: of building to where they are now, But until he

602
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: had it was like he never could. Well, James Franklin

603
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: hadn't made a playoff game yet, and so that means

604
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: he can't, right, No, it just means he hasn't hardball

605
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: same way for a long time. He can't do this,

606
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: he can't do that. It was never can't with him,

607
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: it was always hasn't. If you've got even a five

608
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: percent chance of doing something, that doesn't mean you can't.

609
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: It just means you haven't. It may be unlikely, but

610
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,959
Speaker 1: it just means you haven't. And with Franklin, I think

611
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: he's got a lot better than five percent odds of

612
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: doing some good things up there. Now here's the other part.

613
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: This year, they probably have as high an expectation level

614
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: as they've had since the year after twenty sixteen or

615
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: going into twenty sixteen. Even they may not win it

616
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: this year even with those expectations, even with an over

617
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: underwin total of nine and a half. Remember, Michigan is

618
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: still expected to finish better. Ohio State is still expected

619
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Speaker 1: to finish better if the odds were to just hold.

620
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: You know, we had a question earlier in the pod

621
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Speaker 1: that was, what if Ohio State and Michigan play for

622
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: the national title. Well, that would mean they're the two

623
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: best teams in the country. Right, so in theory, and

624
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: this is unlikely to happen, But in theory, if Ohio

625
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: State and Michigan were the number one and number two

626
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: teams in the country this year, it's technically possible for

627
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: Penn State to be the third best team in the country,

628
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: which means it would be the best season Franklin's had

629
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Speaker 1: up there. And yet they don't make the playoff and

630
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: they finish ten and two. Because technically, if you're the

631
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: third best team in the country and you play number

632
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: one and number two. You should lose to them. That's

633
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: just what the book says. And if you lose to

634
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: the two teams in your division, you don't even play

635
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: for the Big Ten title. And that's one of the

636
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: many reasons why you aren't always what your record says

637
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: you are in college football, because it would be kind

638
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: of short sighted to look at Penn State in that

639
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: scenario slash scenario and say, oh, they're just another ten

640
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: and two team. No, they're not. Louisville and Penn State

641
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: could go ten and two this year and be totally

642
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: different teams because Louisville avoids Clemson, they avoid Florida State,

643
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: they avoid North Carolina, they play pretty much every one

644
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: of the bottom teams in terms of odds in the ACC.

645
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: This year, they could go ten and two this year.

646
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: Penn State could play the top two teams in the country.

647
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: You go ten and two this year, are those the

648
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: same ten and two? I know there are going to

649
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: be some holdouts out there that say, yeah, a win's

650
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: a win, a loss is a loss. It's just not

651
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: I don't know what else to tell you. If you're

652
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: trying to define caliber of team, it's just not the

653
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: same it's not the way you should live your life.

654
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: Next up Bama Hype from Birmingham, Alabama. It's not about

655
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: Bama though. Bama Hype asked, with the new changes coming

656
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: all around college football in the twenty twenty four season,

657
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: what are you looking forward to the most and what

658
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: are you looking forward to the least. Well, I'll tell

659
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: you one thing I'm looking forward to the most is

660
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: experiencing what home playoff games are like. I'll admit to

661
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: you I'm not a big expansionist, but since you're giving

662
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: it to me, there are some aspects that I'm looking

663
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: forward to. And one of them is if you just

664
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: watch Wisconsin go to LSU for a Round one game,

665
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: or you can watch LSU go to Wisconsin for a

666
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: Round one game, if you watch Clemson go to Oregon

667
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: for a Round one game. You talk that stuff out

668
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: loud and it is really, really tantalizing. And I don't

669
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: think I've ever used the word on the show in

670
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: any form, but I'm tantalized by it. Don't like what

671
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: it's going to take for us to get there, But

672
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: I can admit to you I would look forward to

673
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: those particular games in those particular weeks leading up, So

674
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: that's one thing to look forward to. The Other thing

675
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: I look forward to, just from my own viewpoint, is

676
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: how differently are we talking about teams not we How

677
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 1: different are some people talking about teams that finish as

678
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: the ninth best in the country when all of a sudden,

679
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: being number nine means you're a playoff team, because the

680
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: reality is they're the same caliber of team they would

681
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: have been in two thousand and three or thirteen. But

682
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, in twenty twenty four, if you're

683
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: the ninth best team in the country, you get that

684
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:42,439
Speaker 1: little playoff designation next to your name. Your Wikipedia page

685
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: says you made the playoff that year, and all of

686
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 1: a sudden, it'll be this magical talking points, like this

687
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: different bullet in the chamber. You're not any more armed

688
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: than you always were, but it's going to feel that way.

689
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: It's like if I continually just miss the corner and

690
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 1: they widen home plate and I throw the same pitches,

691
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Steve Ryde, I'm not any different

692
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: a pitcher. They widen the plate for me, so they

693
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: acquiesced to my shortcomings, not the other way around. A

694
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: lot of baseball metaphors in the pod today. The thing

695
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: I don't look forward to though, has nothing to do

696
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: with twenty twenty four. It does, but it doesn't. Twenty

697
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: twenty four has me already dreading one thing about twenty

698
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: twenty three, and that is that every single week of

699
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: this season, media outlets, probably including my own, are going

700
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: to put out hypothetical here's the top twelve currently, Here's

701
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: how the twenty twenty four Expanded Playoff would project if

702
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: we had it in twenty twenty three. And you're also

703
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: going to have people this is really going to drive

704
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: me up a wall in November. You're going to have

705
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: some games that casuals are going to tell you are

706
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: meaningless that would all of a sudden have meaning if

707
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: we had the Expanded Playoff. And it's going to be

708
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: a morally bankrupt and intellectually bankrupt argument because their starting

709
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: point will be chapter two of the book. Their starting

710
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: point will be this game's meaningless. Here's how it would

711
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: have meaning. But chapter one, which they conveniently leave out,

712
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: is hey, fool, you don't have to have playoff implications

713
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: on the game for it to have meaning. I know

714
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: you all tuned into the sport within the last five minutes.

715
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: But believe it or not, once upon a Saturday, we

716
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 1: could just play these games with five and three teams

717
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 1: and people watched because those five and three teams had

718
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: history with each other. You didn't have to have this

719
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: little playoff sticker. You didn't have to have someone at

720
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: ESPN sitting in front of a board of hypothetical saying,

721
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 1: if twenty twenty four were here, this is the value

722
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: this game would have. It didn't always have to be

723
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: that way, and then it all of a sudden was

724
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: that way. I'm not looking forward to that part at all,

725
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 1: and I know that's coming. I know we can't just

726
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: value college football games for what they are on the

727
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: service anymore. We got to have storylines with the playoffs attached,

728
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be all about, well, Wake Forest is

729
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: playing in c State this week. If it were twenty

730
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: twenty four, here's what this would mean. How about just

731
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: enjoying twenty twenty three. How about just enjoying it for

732
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: what it is, because I'll tell you what it is.

733
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: It's a full wall to wall college football season. That's

734
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: what it is. Just like twenty twenty one was just

735
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: like twenty eighteen was it's a full season of college football.

736
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: Don't be so foolish as to hit the fast forward

737
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 1: button on it, especially because half of you are rushing

738
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: to it an era you're going to grow to regret anyway.

739
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: So let's just enjoy it. How about that? Just ah,

740
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: just enjoy it, ad break and we're back. How did

741
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: you like that? Immunity? Next up, Nico? Nico hit us

742
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: up and said, what was it like when Miami was

743
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: on top? Nico, it was an entirely different world when

744
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: Miami ruled college football. I'm telling you right now, it

745
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: was a different vibe than when any other program has

746
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: dominated college football. George's dominating right now, Bama has dominate.

747
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: When Miami dominated, it was with an entire different energy.

748
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: Folks hated them not just because they were winning, but

749
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: because of the attitude they won with. It was so

750
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: uniquely Miami. Like. If you were to cut Miami open,

751
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 1: what bled out of Miami would have been those Miami

752
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 1: Hurricane teams, and the rest of the country hated it

753
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: because they hadn't seen it before. There was a way

754
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: that you were supposed to carry yourself if you were

755
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: a winning college football team, and those dudes at Miami

756
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: looked at it and said, cool, we're gonna do it

757
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 1: our way. We're gonna do it to you way. And

758
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: they threw that you up in your face, and if

759
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: you didn't like it, it just made them smile even bigger.

760
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: That was what it was like when Miami ruled college football,

761
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 1: and also people legitimately feared them because they didn't mind

762
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 1: embarrassing you. Miami did not let their foot off the

763
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 1: gas and run the clock out. They wanted to make

764
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: you regret ever taking the field having the audacity to

765
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: take the field against Miami, and that era was enough

766
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 1: to get those dudes to run through a brick wall

767
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 1: and try and take your head off. They really wanted

768
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: you to tell your kids, twenty years down the road, kids,

769
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,240
Speaker 1: don't turn on that game tape where Daddy played Miami.

770
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: I don't want you to see what they did to me.

771
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,919
Speaker 1: That was, in a nutshell, what it was like when

772
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: Miami ruled the world. Now, if you're younger, if you're

773
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: a high school or college age, I'm not gonna call

774
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: you a kid a person adult. You don't know about that.

775
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: You've heard about it. You may have watched documentaries, but

776
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: you don't. The last title they won was two thousand

777
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 1: and one, so you don't really know about that. Well,

778
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: little JP does. Little JP was born to hate Miami

779
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: because Little JP was born in the South. And you

780
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: may think Miami's in the South. Miami's not in the South.

781
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: Miami's in Miami, totally different world. And so in the South,

782
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: there was a certain level of decor. There was a

783
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: certain level of what's the right word like, there was

784
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: a certain way that you were supposed to carry yourself.

785
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: There was a certain way a winning college football team

786
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 1: was supposed to look, and Miami did not fit that.

787
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: And so the souther fan bases they looked with disdain

788
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: at Miami, and the Midwestern fan bases even more so,

789
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: looked at disdain. It was so bad. When they had

790
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: games against Notre Dame, they had nicknames for the game.

791
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 1: It was Catholics Versus Convicts. They sold T shirts and

792
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: the person that came up with that idea made a

793
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: mint off of that T shirt idea. That's just like

794
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: a different era in college football. I don't know why

795
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: this is its own side subject. I don't feel like

796
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: we do that anymore. I don't feel like there are

797
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: things that happen in the sport now that just take

798
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: on these lives of their own that will live thirty

799
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: years down the road. I feel like there's so much

800
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: that comes at you now that your mind doesn't have

801
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: time to process at all. It may just be that

802
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: the world moves faster because you have access to more

803
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: information and you're exposed to more things that no one

804
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 1: thing get gets heavily baked down into your psyche like

805
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: it used to. Like I'm convinced, and this gets a

806
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: little morbid. I'm convinced the jfk assassination. People still talk

807
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: about it now. I mean there's still literature on it,

808
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: there's still specials done on it. If something of that

809
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: nature were to happen in twenty twenty three, twenty four

810
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: to twenty five, it would be massive. But if you

811
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: fast forwarded fifty years, would we talk about that in

812
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: two thousand and sixty three like we talk about the

813
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: JFK assassination now? I don't know that we would, because

814
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: I just think when things used to happen, it was

815
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: the thing that happened. Nowadays now we draw it back

816
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 1: to much less consequential things like college football. Nowadays, when

817
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: things happen, it happens, and then it seems like three

818
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: and a half minutes later, something else happens, and you

819
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: bring up down the road that thing, and people go, oh,

820
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 1: I forgot about that. So if Miami were to ascend

821
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: back to what they once were, I don't know if

822
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: it would get treated the same way. I don't know.

823
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 1: It would definitely take on that tenor. But my point

824
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 1: to you was going to be if you were younger

825
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 1: and you look at older sports writers when they talk

826
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 1: about Mia and they talk about him in a certain way,

827
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: it's cause they experienced it. Like they would go down

828
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: there in that Orange Bowl, which I missed greatly because

829
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 1: I never got to go to a game there, and

830
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: they would be a witness to those games, and they

831
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: would cover those teams, and it had to be unlike

832
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: covering any other program in the history of their existence.

833
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: When Miami ruled college football, it was a different time,

834
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: different time. Some people would lead you to believe it

835
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 1: can't happen again. I am not one of those people.

836
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: I believe it could happen again. Grayson from Loving Texas.

837
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: Why are recruits rankings changing so much in the past week, Grayson,

838
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that, and then we're gonna have another

839
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: question in just a second. So, Grayson, this is a

840
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: question that we get from time to time. I don't

841
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: run recruiting rankings. I have nothing to do with him

842
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,439
Speaker 1: at twenty four to seven, but I know everyone who does.

843
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: So think about this. This is what I call bumper

844
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: sticker logic. I'm not accusing you of it, because all

845
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: you did was ask a question, But the bumper sticker

846
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: logic would sound like this, how can a recruit ranking

847
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: change from April if no football games have happened? Bumper

848
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: sticker logic means on the surface, that makes sense. You go, yeah,

849
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: that makes good sense. But then when I explain the

850
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: process to you and we drill it down a little

851
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: bit further in detail, it's not that simple. So here's

852
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: what happens. For example, in spring, a lot of kids

853
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 1: go to camps. In spring, a lot of our guys

854
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: get out on the road and they get to put

855
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 1: eyeballs on those players that otherwise they've only seen on film. Also,

856
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: in the camp setting, unlike their high school film, they're

857
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: normally going against an equal caliber athlete and it's a

858
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: controlled environment. So like if you want to look at

859
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: an edge rusher. You can put them in specific drills

860
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: one on one with a high four star offensive tackle,

861
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: and you can see how they fare instead of watching

862
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: them in grainy footage from their Friday Night film where

863
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 1: they're playing a left tackle that's two hundred and thirty

864
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: pounds and he's only playing there because he didn't have

865
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: good hands and he fumbled as a right that's high

866
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: school football. And so let me ask you, now, if

867
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: you were tasked with grading these kids, you had a

868
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: kid's high school film, you had him graded as a

869
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 1: high three star caliber player. Then you look at him

870
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: in the camp circuit and he's dominating in the camp circuit,

871
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: and your eyeballs tell you definitively, and you're getting feedback

872
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 1: from other coaches, and you're looking at his offer list

873
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,760
Speaker 1: grow whatever you value, and definitively you're of the opinion

874
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: this guy's not a high three star. He's a high

875
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: four star bordering on five star. Would you wait until

876
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: October just so another football game could happen? Of course not.

877
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: And then you add on to that the fact that

878
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: we're in a competitive industry. There isn't like a government

879
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 1: run recruiting site and there's no competition. There are many

880
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: different sites out there, so you get left behind if

881
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: you have that ideology. Now that's my take on that,

882
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: and it's also in December and January the same thing.

883
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: I say. When we get all the way to the

884
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 1: end of a kid's senior year and then they go

885
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,479
Speaker 1: to the Army All American Game or the Under Armour

886
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: All American Game, or the Shrine East West Shrine Game

887
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: or whatever. The Mississippi and Alabama All Star Game is

888
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: a really big one for most kids that are from

889
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: that area. They'll go and they'll be a low four

890
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:20,720
Speaker 1: star and then they'll go and they'll participate in those events,

891
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 1: and our guys will get their eyes on them, and

892
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, their grade will get bumped up

893
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: right before signing day, and people will cry foul. In fact, Bradley, Goahadan,

894
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: throw the next question up because it has to do

895
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: a lot with this. You know, we'll get to the

896
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: latter portion of a kid's senior year and all of

897
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 1: a sudden his grade gets bumped up and people will say, oh, oh, look,

898
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: his grade got bumped up because of this or because

899
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 1: of that. It's really just because you got a final

900
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: set of eyes on a kid who had another year

901
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: to develop physically, because, believe it or not, not, every

902
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: adult male is physically developed at sixteen years old. Crazy

903
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,439
Speaker 1: things happen in your senior year sometimes for your height

904
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: and your weight and your speed, et cetera. So you

905
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: get eyeball on them again in a controlled setting in

906
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 1: December or January. It's not crazy at all to think

907
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: that you may bump a guy up or bump a

908
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: guy down. Chris asked what is your honest and yet

909
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 1: humble opinion about recruiting rankings and how when an individual

910
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: signs with a top program, depending on the team, they

911
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: can go from a low four star to a top

912
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 1: elite five star. It's all anecdotal, is my opinion on

913
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: that there are conspiracy theories for every program in the

914
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 1: top tier of college football Bama, Florida, Georgia. Everybody thinks

915
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: in the opposing fan base is that when a kid

916
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: commits to a certain school, they're disproportionately more likely to

917
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 1: get a bump from the recruiting services because they committed

918
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: to that school. Correlation and causation are two different things here.

919
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: You could I'll never tracked this. You could go back

920
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: and track it, and you could take Alabama, for example,

921
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: and you could show me evidence over the past ten

922
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 1: years that when a kid committed to Alabama, his grade

923
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: was likely to rise three hundred percent more than it

924
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: was likely to fall. And you could present me that evidence,

925
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: and then you could say that's evidence that the recruiting

926
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 1: industry favors kids who commit to Alabama. Well, what if

927
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: I were to come back to you and say, I

928
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: actually have a counterpoint. Maybe that's evidence that Nick Saban

929
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: was ahead of the recruiting industry on his evaluations. Like,

930
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: what if that's the case, And since you're arguing over

931
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: the past ten years, ultimately the goals to get the

932
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: grade right on the kid right. So if we're arguing that,

933
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: all we have to do is go back and look

934
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: at how they did in college. And there's that stat

935
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: out there that's just insane. Every NFL draft, every signing day,

936
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: there's that stat that a five star was x percentage

937
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: more likely to be drafted if he went to Alabama.

938
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: A four star was x percentage more likely to be

939
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: drafted if you went to Alabama, which means ultimately the

940
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: grades on the kids were right. So what are we

941
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: really arguing here, it would be one thing. In other words,

942
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: if kids kept getting arbitrarily bumped up when they commit

943
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: to Bama and then they went there and they crashed

944
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: and burned, that would be a scandal. You would have

945
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: a legit gripe on your hands. They don't. They go

946
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: there and they shine. So my argument is kids committing

947
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: to Bama and then getting a bump on their grade

948
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: is not evidence that the recruiting industry favors Alabama nearly

949
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 1: as much as the recruiting industry realizes after Nick Saban

950
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,879
Speaker 1: does how good some kids are. That's the way I've

951
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 1: always looked at that, and it's gonna happen with other programs.

952
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: But there's also the accusation. I hear it from Florida constantly.

953
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 1: There's the accusation that kids get bumped down after they

954
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: commit to a team. I don't know what else to

955
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: tell you other than it doesn't happen. I don't know

956
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: what else to tell you other than there is zero

957
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: motivation to do that. It would be the dumbest thing

958
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 1: in the world. The dumbest business plan on the face

959
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 1: of the earth is to run a recruiting site. Take

960
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 1: one of the biggest markets in college football, one of

961
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: the biggest fan bases, especially if you're covering recruiting and say, yeah,

962
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: I think we'll screw them. Who would do that? Nobody

963
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,760
Speaker 1: does that. And I can also assure you your greatest

964
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: fears are not realized because I have been where you are.

965
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: I've been a fan, I've been a subscriber of these websites,

966
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,280
Speaker 1: and now I'm on the other side and I'm behind

967
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: the curtain. No one cares. When I say no one cares,

968
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,439
Speaker 1: I mean no one targets any program. That's never part

969
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:40,720
Speaker 1: of the conversation. There is no conversation where Andrew Ivans goes,

970
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: we got to stick it to Florida. Okay, how are

971
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: we going to do it? And there's no conversation where

972
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 1: Wolfong goes, Amen, brother, let's bump down that linebacker, that

973
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: corner and that safety. And then Protegna walks in and

974
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: says why, and they in unison say, because it's Florida,

975
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen. It just doesn't happen. I know that

976
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: you can pull up examples. I know you guys, not

977
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 1: all you guys, and it's not just Florida. I'm just

978
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: using them as an example, Miami. It's like the state

979
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: of Florida, but Miami also is a fan base that

980
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: I'll have folks in my dms. They'll put together a

981
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: list of like five or six kids who committed and

982
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: then their grades dropped, and they'll say, how do you

983
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: explain this? This goes beyond coincidence. No, it doesn't. It

984
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: doesn't go beyond coincidence. You just took the right kind

985
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: of snapshot. I could counter with a snapshot of kids

986
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 1: whose grades went up after they committed. So my final

987
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: question is if that's really the conspiracy, If they're really

988
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: just knocking kids a star rating just because of the

989
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 1: school they committed to, why wouldn't they just do it

990
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:45,760
Speaker 1: across the board? Were they just trying to hide themselves

991
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: When they occasionally give the token bump up? How do

992
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: they decide which kid gets pumped down and which kid

993
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: gets pumped up? People overthink the room on this. The

994
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: reason I speak so fervently is because I used to

995
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: think this. I'm being real with you. Back once upon

996
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: a time, I used to think all that stuff was true.

997
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: I thought that they're behind the curtain in the recruiting industry.

998
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: Was this cabal of people, and they had their favorites,

999
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: and they had the teams they didn't like, and they

1000
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: just conspired to, you know, engineer the rankings the way

1001
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: they wanted them to it. I hate to be the

1002
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: bearer of bad news because I actually wanted it to

1003
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: be the case. It's not the case. You'll either believe

1004
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: me or you won't. It's not the case. We move on.

1005
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: I'm not on the council guys. I'm not on. It

1006
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. I will throw these guys under the bus

1007
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: and a heartbeat if I need to, and maybe I

1008
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: will one day. It just won't be because of that

1009
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: big twelve Officionado said, what is your favorite stadium food?

1010
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: Which stadium has the best food? I love funnel cake. Personally,

1011
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:48,919
Speaker 1: it's not good for you, but I love funnel cake.

1012
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: Which stadium has the best food? This is gonna take

1013
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: a little while, so I got a lot to say. I,

1014
00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 1: as you know, have the best job on the planet.

1015
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: Get to pick any game I go to, and I

1016
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: get to stand on the field and watch it, and

1017
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 1: I get to get there before you're there and stay

1018
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: there after you're there, and I get fed very well.

1019
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: I have been to most of the premier venues in

1020
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: college football. Not all of them have not been to

1021
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 1: an Oklahoma game, for example, But I'm steadily making my

1022
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: way around the country. LSU amazing. Now there's a difference,

1023
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 1: I should tell you. There's a difference in what you

1024
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: get fed in the press box versus what you get

1025
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: fed in the field media suite. The field media suites

1026
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: normally just for like field photographers and stuff, and then

1027
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: the broadcast that's there. If it's a CBS game, if

1028
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: it's an ESPN game, you have your own separate little

1029
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 1: compound you can go in. So like when I'm in

1030
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: a CBS game, I'll sometimes just make sure I stay

1031
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: right behind Jenny Dell and I'll follow her into the

1032
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: CBS compound and will be good, and you get your

1033
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: own personalized assortment in that room. But if I'm at

1034
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 1: an ESPN game, I can't and just follow Tom Louganbill

1035
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: into the ESPN compound. So you got the field media suite,

1036
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: and that's normally like ham and cheese, sandwich and chips.

1037
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: So your boy here normally dips off the field with

1038
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: like three or four minutes to go until halftime, and

1039
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,240
Speaker 1: I scoop my way up to either the press box

1040
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 1: or and I hate to admit this suite because I'll

1041
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: inevitably know someone there that's got a suite, and at

1042
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 1: that point you're eating an entirely different palette. But the

1043
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:34,720
Speaker 1: press boxes alone feed you very well. LSU all kinds

1044
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 1: of different casun related dishes. They change it by the week.

1045
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 1: It is wonderful, it is spectacular. There is enough there where.

1046
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: Even though they technically don't tell you take a to

1047
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: go box, LSU has always let me take food home.

1048
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: And it does not matter how much money I make

1049
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 1: in my life, I will always take extras in a

1050
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 1: to go box home from a college football stadium's press

1051
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: box if you let me. LSU is great. Bama's great,

1052
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 1: although I have not been in the press box in

1053
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: a little while because I just tend to stay down

1054
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 1: on the field at Bama. But I'll let you know.

1055
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 1: One time, I think it was twenty nineteen actually, when

1056
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 1: LSU came in there, I go to Bama. The height

1057
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: of Bama cuisine was for one of those big games,

1058
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 1: they had I go in the press box before the

1059
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: game and they have, I kid you not, an ice

1060
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: sculpture of an elephant in the middle of the dining line,

1061
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 1: and it's separating two totally different courses of meal. So

1062
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:34,399
Speaker 1: not only are they feeding you pretty well best meal

1063
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: I had that week, they're like multiple selections. Hey, if

1064
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: you want this option, no, okay, take this option. And

1065
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: in the middle a frozen elephant thing didn't melt the

1066
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: whole day. I don't know how they pulled it off. Baylor,

1067
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 1: surprisingly was really good. But when I went to Baylor,

1068
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:52,399
Speaker 1: remember this was a couple of years ago, that's when

1069
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: they played Oklahoma. I'm getting so hungry right now. This

1070
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: is like watching that Ronco infomercial after midnight, that grill commercial.

1071
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: I went to Baylor and it was an eleven am

1072
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 1: local kickoff, which means I got there at like eight am,

1073
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,879
Speaker 1: which means they served breakfast. And they had an all

1074
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 1: you can eat Hash Brown station. Again, I know that

1075
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: this is poverty food to some of you, Some of

1076
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 1: the more managerial uppercrusted amongst us, are not impressed by this.

1077
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: You think hash Browns, you think ooh, grease on your hands. Well,

1078
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 1: some of us grew up with grease on our hands. Sorry,

1079
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 1: and so when you give me a hash Brown station,

1080
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: it's all I need in life, really, and They also

1081
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: they had a waffle station. They had I think sausage

1082
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: eag and cheese biscuits. I can't remember everything they had

1083
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 1: that day, but it was it was great. It was

1084
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 1: like if you pulled up and there's no crowd around

1085
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: and all your favorite breakfast foods were in front of you.

1086
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: Oh and by the way, someone says, yeah, I just

1087
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 1: eat as much as you want. It was a great

1088
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: day in terms of caloric intake. It took me about

1089
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: a week to burn that off, but that was a

1090
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 1: great day. I would be if I didn't tell you

1091
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,280
Speaker 1: about at and T Stadium. I am opposed to neutral

1092
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: site games, but I'm not opposed to the way they

1093
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: feed you at the neutral site games. So at Jerry

1094
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: World out there in Texas. I go to amm Arkansas

1095
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, I think. And the thing

1096
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: about texts or the thing about the thing about Jerry

1097
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: Jones is he does not do anything halfway. So anything

1098
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: in his venue is gonna be big. It's gonna be

1099
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: done the right way. So if you go to a

1100
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: game at AT and T Stadium and you go to the

1101
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 1: press box, not only do they have a lot of

1102
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: really good food, and not only does every cup that

1103
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 1: you get your fountain drinks with have the Dallas Cowboys

1104
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: star on it. It's like a cup you can take home.

1105
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: It's a souvie cup instead of the old styrofoam throwaways.

1106
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: They have a carving station up there, so there is

1107
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: a chef. It's like a Golden Corral on steroids. It's wonderful.

1108
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: They have a chef up there and he's carving whatever

1109
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: kind of meat you want. This is press box food,

1110
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: mind you. They got a carving station. It always stood

1111
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: out to me. I don't walk in any other press

1112
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: box where there's a dude in a chef hat and

1113
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,919
Speaker 1: about a foot long knife in his hand saying, sir sir,

1114
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 1: which kind of meat option would you like today? Normally

1115
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 1: that's an immunity, but it's not. At at and C Stadium,

1116
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: and my favorite dining experience that I've ever had when

1117
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: going to a college football game, we're going right back

1118
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: to the state of Texas. Ironically, it's also a neutral site.

1119
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 1: It's also in Dallas. It's the Cotton Bowl, but this

1120
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 1: one you cannot get unless you're in my role, and

1121
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 1: no one else in my role even did this. I've

1122
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: told the story before, but it bears repeating. So I

1123
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: go to owe you Texas. That alone was an experience

1124
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: of a lifetime highest scoring game in the history of

1125
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: that rivalry. But also it's the Cotton Bowl. It's on

1126
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 1: the premises of the Texas State Fair. The Fair is

1127
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: literally going on around the game, and it's not a

1128
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: multi layered stadium, it's just one bowl, thus the Cotton Bowl.

1129
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: So the smells on wind direction from the fair can

1130
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: waft their way into the stadium. And you know what

1131
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: a fair smells like. It's corn dog's and funnel cake,

1132
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 1: just some of the greatest achievements culinarily in the history

1133
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: of our country. And so you smell that stuff the

1134
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 1: entire first half. Then halftime gets there. Now, if you're

1135
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: in your seat, can't really do much. You go to

1136
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 1: the bathroom, you know, you try and go get yourself

1137
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: a drink. Well, I have smelled that for two quarters,

1138
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at the tunnel. I can see the

1139
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 1: fair because I'm standing on the field, I can see

1140
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: the State Fair. So I said, what stops me from

1141
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: just going to the fair at halftime? And the answer

1142
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 1: was nothing. So I went out there at halftime and

1143
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: I got myself all the funnel cake I could have.

1144
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: I probably had powdered sugar on my face even when

1145
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: I got to the airport later that afternoon. But I

1146
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: went out there and had myself a little time about

1147
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 1: twenty minutes, and then I come back in the stadium

1148
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: right as Texas and OU were coming out of their

1149
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 1: locker rooms. So I walk on the field with the

1150
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: teams and I'm just like pat in my stomach, I'm

1151
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: so full, and they kick off the third quarter and

1152
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: it was seamless. It was like there was not more

1153
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: than thirty seconds of downtime for me the entire halftime.

1154
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 1: I don't know how it gets any better. I really

1155
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: challenge you to tell me, how does it get any

1156
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: better than that? And they paid me money to make

1157
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: that trip, that it gets no better. Little JP would

1158
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: be so proud of bigger JP that he got to

1159
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 1: that point in life. All right, let's roll on, Elijah,

1160
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 1: not Eli. If you type Elijah, I'm calling you Elijah.

1161
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 1: Very very important and pressing question here. Elijah said, what

1162
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna give up? If you have to give up

1163
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 1: one storm chasing or wrestling, Well, this is not a

1164
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: difficult question for me. Elijah, I'd give up wrestling in

1165
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: a heartbeat because I think all the good wrestling I've

1166
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: already gotten now, Producer Jesse, There's some other people in

1167
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 1: the building. They would disagree with me on this. And

1168
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that there's not a good product occasionally

1169
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 1: these days, but I don't watch the current wrestling product.

1170
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: I am in love with storm chasing, and unlike my

1171
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: opinion on wrestling, all the best tornadoes, all the most thrilling,

1172
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: photogenic tornadoes have not happened. I saw three of them

1173
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: this spring in person. As a matter of fact, I

1174
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been able to tell you that in twenty

1175
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: twenty two because they were yet to happen. But if

1176
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: I want to go watch Triple Eh Shawn Michael's SummerSlam

1177
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 1: two thousand and two, one of my favorite matches, by

1178
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:28,439
Speaker 1: the way, unbelievable storytelling. I have that for the rest

1179
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 1: of eternity. If I want to watch Rock Versus Triple

1180
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: HS Ladder Match ninety eight Summer Slam, I can go

1181
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 1: watch it anytime I want to. Taker Shawn Michaels WrestleMania

1182
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 1: twenty five, twenty six, whatever, I can go do that,

1183
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: So I will just happily live off of what's already

1184
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 1: happened in wrestling. I can't do that with storm Chasing,

1185
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 1: and so you got to take something from me, Take

1186
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 1: wrestling from me. Now. Someone did ask us recently, if

1187
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: you had to only choose to do one the rest

1188
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 1: of your life, would it be college football or storm chasing?

1189
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 1: And that was difficult. That was like, I have two

1190
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 1: children here and I am screaming no, no, don't take

1191
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: my child as Social Services exits the premises with little

1192
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 1: Johnny as Little Susie stands by my side. That was

1193
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 1: a tough one for me. This one's not as tough.

1194
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 1: What an exciting way to conclude the pod. Here's all

1195
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 1: I need from you guys before you leave. A couple

1196
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: of things. Actually, now that we're really deep in the pod,

1197
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 1: the Pate State Store is going to reopen in August,

1198
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 1: and I love where we are with it, and we

1199
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 1: got some really good ideas. The tour for this fall

1200
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:33,479
Speaker 1: is going to be announced in early August. I love

1201
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: where we are with it. I know where we're going

1202
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 1: in week one. You will know that in August. And

1203
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 1: in the meantime, what I need you guys to do

1204
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 1: is one thing, and one thing. Only subscribe to this

1205
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 1: podcast and then tell everybody in the free world that

1206
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 1: loves college football, especially the ones and you know this

1207
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 1: guy and girl, the ones who complain that there's not

1208
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 1: any really good college football out there anymore. There's not

1209
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,479
Speaker 1: really any good college football coverage. Yes there is, it's

1210
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,439
Speaker 1: just not in the places you used to look. Tell

1211
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 1: them look here. Oh by the way, it's free. Oh

1212
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: by the way, we do it multiple times per week.

1213
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 1: Oh by the way, there's never any politics. There's never

1214
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 1: any other sport woven in. It's just college football. You

1215
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 1: tell them to come here, and you tell them subscribe

1216
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: right after you do the same thing, and we'll be good.

1217
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 1: And that's all I need from. Thank you guys, for

1218
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: director Column, for producer Jesse, for Bradley the associate, I'm Josh, babe.

1219
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 1: Take care, have a great rest of your day, and

1220
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 1: God bless