WEBVTT - 5 Good Minutes with Lawrence Holmes

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to the Hottest the Hottest. It be a

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<v Speaker 1>podcast out here. I said what I said, it's the

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<v Speaker 1>Heat Check Check.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Welcome to the Heat Checks. Five good minutes, your

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<v Speaker 2>weekly NBA debate and discussion podcast, and a bite sized portion.

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<v Speaker 2>I am elated to welcome my guy from shy Town,

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<v Speaker 2>Lawrence Holmes, to the show. Lawrence is a co host

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<v Speaker 2>alongside Dan Bernstein of the best dance sports radio show

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<v Speaker 2>in Chicago. They continue to be top dogs no matter

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<v Speaker 2>what on Odyssey's WSCR The Score from ten am till

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<v Speaker 2>two pm Central Time. Welcome to the show, Lawrence.

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<v Speaker 1>I am so honored that you even asked me to

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<v Speaker 1>do this, like, you're absolutely one of my favorites, so

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad that we get this opportunity to hang

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<v Speaker 1>out me too.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's how it works. I'm gonna throw a topic at you,

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<v Speaker 2>a slightly localized, controversial one, and then I'm gonna hit

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<v Speaker 2>the clock. You have to think fast. We only got

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<v Speaker 2>five minutes. Okay, are you ready?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm ready.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna give you the topic and then i'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>hit the start button. Are the Chicago Bulls, the NBA's

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<v Speaker 2>version of the New York Yankees historically great, sort of

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<v Speaker 2>living off of that fumes unwilling to suck slash tank

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<v Speaker 2>slash rebuild to win long term because they are terrified

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<v Speaker 2>of the fan base turning on them.

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<v Speaker 1>Go No, they're not the Yankees because the winning has

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<v Speaker 1>not been sustained decade to decade to decade to decade.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a very specific time frame with which the Bulls

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<v Speaker 1>have won championships or even been championship contenders. So I

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<v Speaker 1>can't give them that. I'm trying to think of the

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<v Speaker 1>best baseball comp Maybe they're the Red Sox, but even

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<v Speaker 1>the Red Sox had a window. You know what, the

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<v Speaker 1>Red Sox is actually not bad. They're more Red Sox

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<v Speaker 1>than they are the Yankees. For sure, a lot of history,

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<v Speaker 1>people love the building, they have historic players, but they're

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<v Speaker 1>not really in contention for anything special.

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<v Speaker 2>So here's the thing that I'm concerned about for the

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<v Speaker 2>Chicago Bulls. So I spoke with someone sort of close

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<v Speaker 2>to the organization and their opinion was very similar, which

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<v Speaker 2>is that they will not rebuild because it's more important

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<v Speaker 2>to sell out Yankee Stadium aka UC and be competitive

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<v Speaker 2>on a night to night basis than it is to

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<v Speaker 2>rip it all down and start afresh, like the Oklahoma

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<v Speaker 2>City Thunder, like the Spurs, like these small market teams

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<v Speaker 2>like the Nuggets. They know that they need to burn

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<v Speaker 2>it all down to build it all back up, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's just not a possibility. And that is what I

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<v Speaker 2>am fearing is happening with the Chicago Bulls.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think that we're actually at an inflection point

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<v Speaker 1>for the Bulls. It's funny, like before we were talking,

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<v Speaker 1>I was texting with people. There's been all sorts of

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<v Speaker 1>reports out there that the Bulls are now thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>moving zach Levine. To me, a trade of zach Levine

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<v Speaker 1>after you maxed him is a signal that you are

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<v Speaker 1>getting ready to burn it down. I know that they

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<v Speaker 1>have said that they want to keep Damar, but Damar's

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<v Speaker 1>thirty forty years old, He's at the end of his contract.

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<v Speaker 1>He's probably not going to be here for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you're starting over with Voots as your centerpiece

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<v Speaker 1>for the near future, you're definitely rebuilding. I agree with you.

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<v Speaker 1>I think in the past they have not wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>rip it way down to the studs, but now I

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<v Speaker 1>think that they don't see any other way out.

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<v Speaker 2>Of it.

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<v Speaker 1>They thought Levine was going to be the centerpiece of

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<v Speaker 1>a championship team, and now they kind of know that

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<v Speaker 1>if he's on a team where he can be the

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<v Speaker 1>two or the three, I think that he's gonna be fine.

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<v Speaker 1>But him is your lead dog. You don't want that.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe for the first time in a very long time,

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<v Speaker 1>the Bulls are actually thinking about rebuilding.

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<v Speaker 2>God, it's gonna be incredible because you look at this team.

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<v Speaker 2>Four and seven, twenty second in defensive rating, twentieth in

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<v Speaker 2>offensive rating, twenty first in net rating, no first round

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<v Speaker 2>picks until twenty twenty six, one hundred and sixty five

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars on the books, thirty million over the cap,

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<v Speaker 2>Patrick Williams looking like Bustville twenty seventh and assist the

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<v Speaker 2>turnover ratio twenty ninth and rebound percentage. If the Acme

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<v Speaker 2>brothers don't know that it's time now, my man, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know when they will.

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<v Speaker 1>You're one hundred percent right. We had them in the

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<v Speaker 1>studio before the season began. It was great. It's really

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<v Speaker 1>the first time that Bulls fans got an opportunity to

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<v Speaker 1>talk with our tourist. Karnashovis and Mark Eversley. I think

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<v Speaker 1>they get it, honestly, but this ain't it. Like this

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<v Speaker 1>thing that they're putting out there is not it. You

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<v Speaker 1>can't make this whole thing work, and they're stuck in

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<v Speaker 1>like NBA hell, they're stuck in the place of they're

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<v Speaker 1>not bad enough to really get to the top of

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<v Speaker 1>the draft. They're not good enough to really be a contender.

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<v Speaker 1>So you end up trying to make some of these

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<v Speaker 1>fits fit and they just don't. Whether it's injuries to

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<v Speaker 1>Alex Carusso the Lonzo ball thing. When we write the

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<v Speaker 1>epitaph for this group of people that are running the bulls,

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<v Speaker 1>that'll be the thing that they will point to and say, Man,

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<v Speaker 1>if we just had Lonzo, we had a point guard

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<v Speaker 1>that hits three pointers, we could have made this thing work.

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<v Speaker 1>We'd had a point guard that can be the tip

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<v Speaker 1>of the spear defensively, if we had a point guard

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<v Speaker 1>that could be a transition guy and get our guys

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<v Speaker 1>on the move, we would have been able to win.

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<v Speaker 1>They can't do that, and it's all because a Lonzo

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<v Speaker 1>is not available and maybe he never even plays again.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where the franchises at and they've got to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out a way to move on.

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<v Speaker 2>Whooa, we got thirty seconds to spare. I think the

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<v Speaker 2>only thing we really debated was about, is this the

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<v Speaker 2>technicality of what a baseball team stuck in purgatory they're

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<v Speaker 2>closest to. But I tell you what, it's not good.

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<v Speaker 2>If you live, you're in the red sofice.

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<v Speaker 1>Even if you're the eight, you're away.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not a great comparison. That is all it is

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<v Speaker 2>for the Heat Checks. Five good minutes with four seconds

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<v Speaker 2>to spare. Thank you to Lawrence for joining us. There

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<v Speaker 2>it is. There's the baby.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Catch him ten to two Central Time on six seventy

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<v Speaker 2>will be back tomorrow with the full blown episode of

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