1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: I'm Matt Miller, I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is Hot Pursuit. 2 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 2: All right, we have a very special guest today, very special. 3 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 2: I'm really looking forward to talking to Gunter Steiner of 4 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:27,319 Speaker 2: Formula one fame. He just left the host team in 5 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 2: I think what was shocking to a lot of F 6 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 2: one fans. 7 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: Is that fair to say he's beloved? Yes, I mean 8 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 1: he really is a beloved figure on Drive to Survive 9 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: and I think we all were surprised when he left Hawes. 10 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: But he's got something new that he's going to tell 11 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: us about, a new endeavor. 12 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 2: Exactly. 13 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: Very excited to talk. 14 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. I'm pumped to talk to him, and 15 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 2: I've just binge Drive to Survive, so it's extra special 16 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 2: for me. We're also going to talk a little bit 17 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 2: about some cars that we're driving, just a little because 18 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 2: you have a story that's come out on a supercar. 19 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 2: Plus you're driving a new class. Yeah are you? How 20 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 2: would you just? Is it a luxury sedan a family car? Yes, 21 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 2: it's not. 22 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: I would I would say it's the it's the mid 23 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 1: size luxury Sadan from Mercedes, right above the C class 24 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: and below the S class. 25 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 2: Right Well, that's exactly what it is. I was just like, 26 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 2: compared to the McLaren that you drove, which is really 27 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 2: a supercar, right, and this is like, this. 28 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: Is afore mass. This is a bit more mass. Let's 29 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: put it that way. This one does not cost three 30 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: hundred and forty five thousand dollars, right. 31 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 2: And I was. I had an EV last week, which 32 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 2: I'm not I mean, I'm not too excited about it. 33 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: I want to dive into it because your impressions only 34 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: support my impressions that I had of the same EV. 35 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 2: All right, so we'll we'll get to all that after 36 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 2: our interview with Gunter Steiner. And I just want to 37 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 2: remind you before we go to Gunter, please email us 38 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 2: with any thoughts or questions. Our email address. 39 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: Is hot Pursuit at Bloomberg dot net. That's hot Pursuit 40 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: at Bloomberg dot net. 41 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 2: We got a great email last week. Somebody said, hey, 42 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 2: where's the love for Audi? We need to be talking 43 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 2: more about unis. Did you see that? 44 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: Yes, we're we are equal opportunity of course, and you know, 45 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: Audi reach out to us. I was in touch with 46 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: Mark last week. Great guy, great company. You know, give 47 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: us something to talk about Yeah. 48 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 2: Well, I mean I have They have a special place 49 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 2: in my heart because the first car I ever bought, 50 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 2: the first new car I ever bought with my own money, 51 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 2: the first any car I ever bought with my own money, 52 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,839 Speaker 2: wasn't Audi A four Evant the two point five td 53 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 2: I in two thousand. Yeah, it was awesome. I loved 54 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: it so much. But anyway, let's get to h gunter 55 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 2: Steiner first, uh, and then we're going to talk cars 56 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 2: after that. Without further ado, this is our interview. 57 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: I guess really what I want to ask first is 58 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: how is life post Formula one? And how is life 59 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: post being filmed all the day time for you know, 60 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: Drive to Survive. 61 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 3: First of all, it's not both because I was backing 62 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 3: brain already in the paddock, you know, doing some TV work. 63 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 3: So people said it's nice to have you back. I said, 64 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:16,119 Speaker 3: I was never gone because you know, it's I'm back 65 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 3: here now and did some work for that, and then 66 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 3: I didn't go to Saudi. I was in Australia. I 67 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 3: just came back two days ago. And then my next 68 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 3: race is Miami, where I'm an ambassador for So I'm 69 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 3: still keeping busy in F one and no I'm joining 70 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 3: it this. It's actually pretty good to do something different. 71 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 2: Let's get your take on a little bit on the races, like, 72 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 2: how do you think it's gone so far? What are 73 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 2: your expectations for the Miami GP. 74 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 3: I think so far it has gone good. I think 75 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 3: Formal one is in a good place in general. You know, 76 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 3: so obviously the first after the first two raysort of 77 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 3: people said it's this Max dominating everything, and it was 78 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 3: difficult to say, no, he's not, because he was clearly 79 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 3: dominating the first two. But then in Melbourne last weekend, 80 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 3: I wouldn't say he was dominating. He had bold position 81 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 3: obviously in the race he stopped, but the Ferraris were 82 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 3: very good on Friday and Saturday. I looked at his 83 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 3: lab in car camera, at his Quali lap. It was 84 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 3: the perfect club. I mean, the guy did a fantastic job. 85 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 3: I mean, he was obviously the best car in a moment, 86 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 3: but the base of the Ferraris in the long run 87 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 3: was actually very good already on Friday, so him dropping 88 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 3: out took that thing away. But I think Signs would 89 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 3: have won even if Max would have stayed there. We 90 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 3: will never know if if and would don't do anything, 91 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 3: but he didn't win. So I think form LA one 92 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 3: is a good place and now we have to see 93 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 3: the next races. If I can keep the pressure onto 94 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 3: the red bullett, for sure would make it a lot 95 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 3: better racing. And I look really forward to Miami. I 96 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 3: think Miami is doing a very good job. The short 97 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 3: time they are on the calendar is this year is 98 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 3: the third year they started off as the new venue, 99 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 3: and they just raised the bar of everything in that one, 100 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 3: you know, with the entertainment factor, good racing. There is 101 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 3: a lot going on this year. There will be the 102 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 3: F one Academy, which is female driving, Girls driving, which 103 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 3: is very good. That is supposed a super Cup and 104 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 3: it is a sprint weekend as well, so lots of 105 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 3: racing there and all the other stuff you can get 106 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 3: in the Mammi Race, you know Mark Anthony for the 107 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 3: National Anthem. I mean, I hope I can enjoy this 108 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 3: year a little bit more what is going on there 109 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 3: than before, because before I always had to work really hard, 110 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 3: Not that I don't work hard now, you know, I 111 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 3: don't want to say that, but anyway, it's for sure 112 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 3: it will be a fun weekend for the people which 113 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 3: go there. 114 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: Guntha, I'm so curious to know. Do you think that 115 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: there could ever be too many F one races in 116 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 1: North America? I mean, now we're at five, is there 117 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 1: ever a point where it kind of dilutes what F 118 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: one is trying to do in the US, which has 119 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: really built a strong fan base. 120 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 3: I think what they're doing now is stabilize the fan base, 121 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 3: not putting more events in North America, especially not in 122 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 3: the USA. I think the FM knows that that they 123 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 3: have to be pacing themselves, you know, because if you 124 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 3: put too much on the plate, people choke on it, 125 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 3: you know. So but I think in the moment, three 126 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 3: races is a good number, but it needs to be stabilized. 127 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 3: And obviously the last years it was a rapid rice 128 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 3: in viewership and attendance, and if too much is put on, 129 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 3: then all of a sudden you put some in jeopardy 130 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 3: some of the events, you know, because you cannot get 131 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 3: enough people. But FM knows that Formula one management, so 132 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 3: they're controlling it. But I think within three or five years, 133 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 3: I think we could have even more races, especially in 134 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 3: the US. I think because the US, we never have 135 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 3: to forget this three or fifty billion people here? 136 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 2: What do we have now? I know we have Miami obviously, 137 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 2: and Coda right in asas Vegas of course yes, and then. 138 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: Of course Montreal and Mexico City too in Canada and Mexico. 139 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 2: So where else could we have a race? 140 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 3: I think where we are sitting, Yeah, in the East. 141 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 3: I think you know these's before? 142 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean are we going to see it finally. 143 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 2: Like around New Jersey? Right? 144 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: You know something we don't because we've they've tried it 145 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: for so long hun there. 146 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, But I think it's just the right people need 147 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 3: to come along and do it. I mean it's the 148 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 3: same like like they did in Miami. Who would have vote? 149 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm in fuma one A long time five 150 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 3: six years ago you said the race in Miami will 151 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 3: not happen. Then an entrepreneur comes along in Steven Ross 152 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 3: and gets his team together with Tom Garfink and put 153 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 3: a fantastic event on. It's just like to be the 154 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 3: right people which want to do it, you know, with 155 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 3: a vision, because I think he couldn't be successful. Obviously, 156 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 3: as I said before, we need to wait a little 157 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 3: bit because otherwise it gets too much. But then I 158 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 3: always compare Europe. It's like when you say we've got 159 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 3: a race in Silverstone and one in Barcelona, one in Monza. 160 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 3: They are a lot closer together than Miami to Las Vegas. 161 00:07:58,360 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 2: You know the rest. 162 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 3: So there is there is space for more races here. 163 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 2: Just but we I mean, we also have very good 164 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 2: British drivers, very good Spanish drivers, and very good Italian drivers. 165 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 2: And there hasn't been a good American driver since like 166 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 2: Mario and ready, right, I mean at least no one 167 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 2: who's won many races, You're. 168 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 3: Right, And I think that comes a little bit because 169 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 3: it was neglected Formula One in the States for a 170 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 3: long time. So what did young aspiring race car drivers do. 171 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 3: They tried to make a career here in NASCAR or 172 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 3: in IndyCar, which I always say it's actually a good 173 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 3: way of making a living racing in the US because 174 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 3: it's a lost less stressful than racing in Formula one, 175 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 3: or I call it in Europe. I know it's a 176 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 3: global sport, but you need to go through the feedo 177 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 3: seriess in Europe, which is very tough. And you know, 178 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 3: I live in America since eighteen years because it's a 179 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 3: good life here to be honest, Otherwise I wouldn't stay here. 180 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 3: You know, I can make a choice. 181 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 2: But it's sue g Row's not bad. 182 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 3: It's not pat at all. But life is pretty good here, 183 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 3: you know. 184 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 2: I mean I would rather live in you know, suit 185 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 2: year old than probably anyway. 186 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 1: Grass is always greener, but. 187 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 2: Exactly is always greater. That's an issue. Why do you 188 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 2: think they're Why do you think there aren't any successful. 189 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: I was just going to ask that, I know what 190 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: you're asking. 191 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 2: American teams, Yeah, I mean has has been fairly successful, 192 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 2: but not you know, on the pod and I mean 193 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 2: ADRETTI was nineteen seventy eight, right was when Mario was racing, 194 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 2: and they have now said no to a new and 195 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 2: ready team with Cadillac, Like it seems like they don't 196 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 2: even want American involvement. 197 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 3: No, I don't think it's about wanting or not wanting. 198 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 3: It's a very difficult sport which and I know Formala 199 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 3: won very well. There wasn't attempt at yesf won in 200 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 3: when was that two thousand and nine, I think, which 201 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 3: failed completely And because it's it's a very difficult, very 202 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 3: difficult sport. And it's like now the sports has called 203 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 3: so much so the value of the teams is very high. 204 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 3: Five ten years ago, no American went in to Formula 205 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 3: one because it was a loss making sport. Now, I 206 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 3: mean you still make class as a team, or a 207 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 3: few make profit, a few make laws. But the value 208 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 3: of the team is high, so you can, you know, 209 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 3: you balance it out with increase in value of the team. 210 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 3: But sometimes I think in the States is underestimated how 211 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 3: difficult that one is, you know, and it's difficult to 212 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 3: explain that as well to people. So it cannot be 213 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 3: this difficult. Other people do it. Yeah, but if you 214 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 3: look at the history, it's the same. When if I 215 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 3: would say I'm gonna replicate Apple, I mean, it cannot 216 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 3: be difficult, uh, just making cell phones, but try to 217 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 3: do it. It's a different story. I mean, it's the 218 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 3: same with I mean, there is one entrepreneur which in 219 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 3: the United States we have to give respect is Elo Musk. 220 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 3: He said I'm going to make my own car, and 221 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:56,199 Speaker 3: he did. But for anybody going into an industry, a 222 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:00,199 Speaker 3: very well developed industry out of nowhere, especially now, it's 223 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 3: very difficult to be successful and you need a lot 224 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 3: of money to do it, you know, and a lot 225 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 3: of people run either out of enthusiasm of money doing it. 226 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: Speaking of money, I'm really curious how has the influx 227 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:16,479 Speaker 1: of money from the Middle East really changed the dynamic, 228 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 1: you know, just in your experience and in your history, 229 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: because we've seen so much involvement and having just been 230 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 1: in Saudi Arabia for that Grand Prix, which was fantastic, 231 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: has that created a market difference just in the dynamic 232 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: of the series. 233 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 3: No, not really. I mean they've got the title sponsorship 234 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 3: of one of the teams, and they're sponsoring some Grand Prix, 235 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 3: and obviously in the Middle East now I think we 236 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 3: have got five Grand Prix, which is for a relatively 237 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 3: small area a lot of races. But if FM would 238 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 3: give them more, they would take more. But obviously we 239 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 3: need to stop because otherwise it's a Middle East on 240 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 3: championship in F one, so that does not really want 241 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 3: But then you have to see also the Middle East 242 00:11:55,280 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 3: investing golf soccre is like it exactly. They do everything 243 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 3: down there because they have the finances to do it. 244 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 3: So it's something which is normal. But I don't think 245 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 3: it has changed the sport in itself. You know, they 246 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 3: didn't take control of the sport it's just like, yeah, 247 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 3: you know, always money is wellcome everywhere. 248 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: You know. 249 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 2: One of the things I wonder is what is Formula 250 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 2: one right now? I've heard you say numerous times that 251 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 2: it's a completely different race than it was five years ago, 252 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 2: and obviously it's very different than what we do in 253 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 2: IndyCar right What is Formula one right now? How do 254 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 2: you see it? 255 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 3: I see it it. Since Liberty Media to Cobo, they 256 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 3: put the sport where it should be my opinion, because 257 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 3: before it was a racing series with you know, the 258 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 3: highest high end racing series with participation, but they didn't 259 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 3: give it to the masses, you know. And now Liberty 260 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 3: Media understood what they need to do with social media, 261 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 3: just bringing it to the people. I mean Liberty Media 262 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 3: both the business, not because they love the sport, because 263 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 3: they're an investment company and they want to make it 264 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 3: work and they had a good vision for it, like 265 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 3: and that's what it is all about. But now it's 266 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 3: entertainment because these days you cannot ask somebody to go 267 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 3: to a car race, watch do hours a cargo around 268 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 3: and then go home. People want more. People want entertainment, 269 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 3: and that was Miami brought into Formula one three years ago. 270 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 3: They raised the bar by bringing entertainment to racing, so 271 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 3: it's just like expanding it that people have more. And 272 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:33,839 Speaker 3: Formala one on the other side is as well. If 273 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 3: you go any other racing you raise on Sunday. On Monday, 274 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 3: you get the news who won, who didn't win, and 275 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 3: then you wait until next race comes. In Formula one, 276 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 3: in between races, there's always something going on, you know, 277 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 3: and a lot of people are interested in that and 278 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 3: that it just feeds us with information and new stuff 279 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 3: and content exactly content, and that is what people like. 280 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 3: And I think it's not only about racing. Racing is 281 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 3: the pinnacle of it when you go racing, but then 282 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 3: the rest of it is filled with all stuff obs 283 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 3: which is a good counsel lot. 284 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 1: I'm really curious, you know, Matt Mad's asking like, can 285 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: you put F one in context now versus five or 286 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: ten years ago. I'm just curious, you know. It also 287 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: seems like there's a lot of I don't know, volatility 288 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: is the word, but there's been a lot of uh, 289 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: significant rule changes, well no significant things in the news. 290 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: I'm thinking of Christian Horner, I'm thinking of drama. Yeah, 291 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: I don't want to call it drama. But for you guys, 292 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: people who are in the industry, you're in the paddic 293 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: you're in the pit lane. How much of a distraction 294 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: is that? Or are the media? Are we blowing a 295 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: way out of proportion? 296 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 3: It's all you people just blowing it up. Everything is 297 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 3: so right right? No, Well, I think corporation, the teams, 298 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 3: they don't suffer. They are so well structured that something 299 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 3: like this on the on the day your operation of 300 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 3: running a race team, it has I wouldn't say no 301 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 3: inference because it's always in the back of your head. 302 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 3: But for example, the bitstop of Red Bull will not 303 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 3: be slower because Christian Horner is in the in the news. 304 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 3: You know, nobody really cares at that at that moment 305 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 3: in time, obviously is it. It would be much better 306 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 3: if it would be good news then news like we had, 307 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 3: you know, I mean we all can say that then, 308 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 3: but in the moment they are not normal this news. 309 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 3: It's it's one in you know, in one hundred news 310 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 3: or thousand us this one. Because it's not that it's 311 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 3: not a nice thing which is said and I always 312 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 3: said that the last four weeks. They just need to 313 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 3: get an end to with with with that drama, with 314 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 3: that soap opera, because it doesn't help anybody, even the 315 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 3: people involved. They must be die off of it because 316 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 3: it cannot be nice to make a living. And in 317 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 3: the morning you wake up and you look on the 318 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 3: on the internet and see what they're right about you, 319 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 3: and for sure it's nothing good, you know. So I 320 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 3: think you need to put an end to it also 321 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 3: for the sake of the sport, because the sports should 322 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 3: not focus on that stuff but focus on more nice 323 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 3: and positive things. 324 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 2: Well, I imagine you want to also try and bring 325 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 2: more women in terms of the teams. You mentioned that 326 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 2: they're testing women driving in a series, But do you 327 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 2: think more women can get involved? Surely liberty must want 328 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 2: that because you bring in one hundred percent more consumers. 329 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 3: I think women watching it. It's a lot more than 330 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 3: it was five years ago. That is the biggest demographics 331 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 3: which gained on it. I would say, young people and women. 332 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 3: But what is done with the one Academy which again 333 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 3: is racing in Miami in beginning in a month's time roughly. 334 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, not just testing, it's an actual race wolf. 335 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, leading it. Yeah, it's actually it's a great job. 336 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 3: But I also there we need to be patient because 337 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 3: you cannot expect that you put the racing series on 338 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 3: and in two years we've got a Formula one champion. 339 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 3: If you look at that male, how many boys are 340 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 3: going cart and when there are six seven years old, 341 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 3: you know there are thousands, one hundred thousands, millions, And 342 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 3: how many girls are going you know, very few. So 343 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 3: to pick out one in a million and to pick 344 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 3: out one in one thousand, the chance to find the 345 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 3: talent is much bigger in the one million, so and 346 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 3: it takes time to go that. Then with the one academy, 347 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 3: now there is young females striving. I mean I think 348 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 3: the youngest ones are seventeen years old. But can they 349 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 3: make it to have one if nothing special, if nothing 350 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 3: specially happens, maybe not, But at least gives the young 351 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 3: girls which are now four or five six years old 352 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 3: something to look at it and maybe they start go karting, 353 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 3: or at least the moms which look at it and 354 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,360 Speaker 3: have a daughter home, they can say, hey, you want 355 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 3: to go motor racing. And then we increase the talent 356 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 3: pool and at some stage it will come up there. 357 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 3: But at least there is an infrastructure put in place 358 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 3: that women can succeed, and I think over time it 359 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 3: will happen, but we cannot. The only thing you cannot 360 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 3: buy is time, you know, we need to be patient 361 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 3: until it happens. And I think there is a lot 362 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 3: of I mean, Susie's pushing really half with the seers 363 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 3: to make it the best it can. But it's not 364 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 3: easy to start the racing series, never mind the raising 365 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 3: series for women only in the moment, so it will 366 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 3: take some time, but I think we'll get there because 367 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 3: I don't think physically there is an issue a woman 368 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 3: driving in a phone car because they've got bower steering. 369 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 3: You know, obviously it's physically the g forces, but you 370 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 3: can train them, you know, normally it shouldn't be a 371 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 3: problem for a woman. 372 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 2: To drive, of course, And I mean that's something that 373 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 2: I think a lot of people are excited about a 374 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 2: female future. In Formula one. 375 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 1: I need to ask Gunther, is your daughter involved in 376 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 1: cars at all? Is she does she like cars? Or 377 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: has she totally rejected that world? 378 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 3: Not totally rejected, but she's she's doing her driving license 379 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 3: in the moment, and when I see her driving, I 380 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 3: don't want to see in a racing car, you know, 381 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 3: because she's gonna hurt herself. No, she's not into drive 382 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 3: a racing cars. So but you know, I never push 383 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 3: that because one in the family. 384 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 2: I'm sure it's like if you're if your father is 385 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 2: a priest, then you're not likely to go to church 386 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 2: very much. 387 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: I can speak from an experience on that. 388 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 2: Yes, true, true, Yes, So it'll be cool if we 389 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 2: can get more women involved in the I think in 390 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 2: the garage and then eventually hopefully on the circuit. One 391 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 2: thing I'm not literally looking forward to is an electric future. 392 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 2: When I go to the races or when I watch 393 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 2: you know, F one or Moto GP, it's the sound 394 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 2: that gives me a lot of the feeling and the 395 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 2: electric driving experience. I just had an EV at my 396 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 2: house for a week to test out as a journalist, 397 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 2: and I opted for I'd rather drive my wife's. 398 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,959 Speaker 1: Name names, name names. What GV was it? 399 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 2: I had? Look, I had the Cadillac Lyric at my house, 400 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 2: which is a cool looking design and it's obviously it's 401 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 2: fast because it's an EV A lot of tour you know, 402 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,880 Speaker 2: but doesn't move me in my soul, no, thank you. 403 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 3: The car has no soul. 404 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 2: Yeah so, and I mean I was interviewing Nico Rosberg 405 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 2: a couple of years ago. I went to see the 406 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 2: Formula Ian Berlin and just not that much fun. Is 407 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 2: there a future there? 408 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 3: I would say the future of moving around is not 409 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 3: only EV's and Formula one. I think in my future 410 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 3: will not be going electric completely. I mean in twenty 411 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 3: six there is a bigger element of electric involvement. Yeah 412 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 3: it's hybrid like now, but a bigger element of electric 413 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 3: involved from now on. But it will never be completely 414 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 3: like it will have a combustion engine in it or 415 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 3: some kind of combustion because, as you say, the sound 416 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 3: is a is a third dimension. I mean, it's it's 417 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 3: the smell, the sound, it's it's a lot of it 418 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 3: and a lot of people like it. I think EV's 419 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 3: have got their place in society and on the road 420 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 3: in my opinion, but I don't think it will be 421 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 3: totally ev in five or ten years. I mean, we 422 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 3: will have alternative vehicles, hybrids, alternative fuels which are developed, 423 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 3: you know, renewable fuels, zero mission fuels. There will be 424 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 3: a lot of stuff out there which is being developed 425 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 3: by now and Formala one. What is done in formal 426 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 3: one because there is so much money for R and D, 427 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 3: like developing a synthetic fuel or something which doesn't pollute. 428 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 3: It's on the way and it will be there. It's 429 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 3: just an from formula one. We need to get it 430 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 3: in to industrialize that you can have a combustion engine 431 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 3: car but with a fuel which doesn't pollute. You know, 432 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 3: that would be because I think there's a lot of 433 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 3: people like I think we all reagree on that a 434 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 3: combustion engine is still a cool thing, you know, even 435 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 3: if an electric engine, as you say, has got lots 436 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 3: of dog and it's also nice to drive, You're just 437 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 3: missing out on some of the feeling when you drive 438 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 3: the car. It's like I don't know what it is, 439 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 3: but I'm the same. I mean, I can drive an 440 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 3: EV but it doesn't excite me. 441 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 1: Gunter, what are you? What do you drive in your 442 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: personal life? And do you collect cars at all? 443 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 2: Or I've only seen you driving a jet ski and like. 444 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 3: I've got what you drive in North Carolina? What do 445 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 3: you think? Tickup truck? You got that one right at 446 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 3: Toyota Tambra. 447 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 2: Oh okay, interesting, so interesting. 448 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 3: Toyota tub always at Toyota is a good car and 449 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 3: I like it, you know. Yeah when in Rome, behave back. 450 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 2: What about other I mean you must have grown up 451 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 2: loving cars. I've seen you driving around Matia in like 452 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 2: a Fiat five hundred. What rings your bell in terms 453 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 2: of automobiles? What are you into? 454 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 3: I mean, I like, I like nice cars, but you know, 455 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 3: I didn't have a lot of time. 456 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: You know. 457 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,959 Speaker 3: When you've got a nice car, you need to enjoy it, 458 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 3: and having a car just backed in the garage, it's 459 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,360 Speaker 3: no point to have it, you know. But I had 460 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 3: I had borches, you know before when I lived in England. 461 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 3: But when I when I live here, I quite like 462 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 3: my pickup truck. You know, it takes me everywhere. It 463 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 3: has got good power. What more you I mean, the 464 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 3: cabin is as big as my living room back in Italy, 465 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 3: you know. So it's like it's that's what I want here. 466 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 3: So I don't have a big car or a sports 467 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 3: carrier or anything. If I would live in Europe, maybe 468 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 3: it we'd have a little bit a sport your car. 469 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 3: But I'm perfectly happy with my pickup luck. 470 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 1: I want to take it back to Formula one and 471 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,199 Speaker 1: specifically drive to survive gun through because I think that 472 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 1: is how a lot of us, you know, really got 473 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: to know you and really come to like you. And 474 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: I'm just curious. Can you give us a sense of 475 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: what that was like. Was it annoying to be filmed 476 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 1: doing your job when you have very real stakes on 477 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 1: the line, or was it fun? How did it affect 478 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: you on you know, a daily and weekly basis. 479 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 3: It didn't affect me at all, because, obviously, men, we 480 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,959 Speaker 3: started this thing off, nobody knew what we were going 481 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 3: to do. I didn't know what came out at the end, 482 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 3: you know, so you were just filmed doing your job. 483 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 3: That's how I felt that. They put the mic on 484 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 3: and then the job was on from the other one. 485 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 3: I didn't have to behave for or I didn't behave 486 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 3: for anything different. I didn't stage anything. The only thing 487 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 3: we had to do to sit down interviews and that 488 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,719 Speaker 3: was it. And then in then and that is one 489 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 3: of the reasons why I didn't watch it, or I 490 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 3: didn't watch any of it afterwards, because I didn't want 491 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 3: to see myself and maybe I wouldn't say critique myself 492 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 3: or try to do better, because I'm not an actor, 493 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,959 Speaker 3: you know, that's not my job. You know so, but 494 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 3: if you see yourself, you say, oh, I could do 495 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 3: this better, And then all of a sudden, every time 496 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,640 Speaker 3: you see a camera, I would feel pressure to do 497 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 3: not be me, but to start acting. And I didn't 498 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 3: want to get in that position, so I decided not 499 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 3: to watch it. 500 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 2: I'll tell you, I just I just finished all of it, 501 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 2: and I must prefer to see you then total Chris, 502 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 2: no offense to them, but let me finally ask about it. 503 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: I'm really curious. I have a follow up on that. 504 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 1: I just want to say. You know, a lot of 505 00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: people when they heard I was going to be talking 506 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 1: with you, they said, ask Gunter if he has advice 507 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: for people who are going through challenges at work. 508 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 2: How do you stay positive because you're always like it 509 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 2: has to turn out well. 510 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I always say positive. I mean in life, 511 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 3: you've got always elements of negativity and you have to 512 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 3: deal with them. Deal with them, but try to do 513 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 3: things you think you do right and you enjoy it 514 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 3: to do, and sometimes things don't work out like you 515 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 3: want to be, but you have to live it that 516 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,959 Speaker 3: at some stage you need to see if you cannot 517 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,199 Speaker 3: be happy what you do at work, you need to 518 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 3: start to consider to change work or something. You know 519 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,959 Speaker 3: you need to make the tough decision. But normally for me, 520 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 3: it's like in the morning, you get up, you've got 521 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 3: maybe five things to do you don't really want to do, 522 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 3: and they take you down. They are negative, but there's 523 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 3: always some silver lining somewhere. But don't what I never do. 524 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 3: I never procrastinate anything. If it is good or bad, 525 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 3: just get it done. Because the worst thing for me 526 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 3: is something what you don't like to do, or something 527 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 3: which is negative. Procrastinate because it doesn't go away, it 528 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 3: will stay there. I learned that one. For me, I 529 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 3: hate to do it, but I'm still gonna do it, 530 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 3: and that makes me happy then because I did it. 531 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,239 Speaker 3: And you know, you do your best, and sometimes your 532 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 3: best is not enough. That can happen to anybody, and 533 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 3: I think anybody can live with that. That doesn't need 534 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 3: to be getting concerned about that. It happens to anybody. 535 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 3: But for me, it's like good or but just deal 536 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 3: with it, you know, get get done, be proactive to 537 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 3: solve your problems out because if you just let them 538 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 3: lay there, they take over your life. And I think 539 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 3: then you're in above place. So just try to make 540 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 3: the best out of it and deal with it and 541 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 3: take it off the table, and if something doesn't work, 542 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 3: just do something different. 543 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 2: All right. I just want to ask, finally, what's ahead 544 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 2: for you? I mean you, I know you have your company, 545 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 2: but it seems like other people run that for you. 546 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 2: And then you've got the Miami GP. But that's only 547 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 2: once a year. So what are you What are you 548 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 2: going to treat. 549 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 3: An exactly you said? Just enjoy life, you know, drink 550 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 3: a lot of wine. Now. No, this year, it was 551 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 3: very strange when it was announced that I'm not at 552 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 3: us anymore. I got a lot of interesting for me 553 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 3: doing things and I was like, I'm not saying yes 554 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 3: or no, I just see what happens here. And it 555 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,959 Speaker 3: kept on coming. So I'm fortunate to do things I 556 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 3: like to do because I know I can be let's 557 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 3: call it good at least what I think is good 558 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 3: at that I don't need to do something tomorrow. So 559 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 3: I picked a few things which I want to do, 560 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 3: Like I do some TV work for German TV, for Artel, 561 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 3: I did something in Australia. I do the Miami Ambassador 562 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 3: Ale because I believe in what is done there, you know, 563 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 3: that they have got a vision and they won't come 564 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 3: to the end of it. But for the rest the 565 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,239 Speaker 3: bigger picture, I wait a little. I'm pretty happy. And 566 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 3: if I don't work for a year, I wasn't worried 567 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 3: before this. I just picked the things I want to 568 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 3: do in the moment. Is something coming up with a 569 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 3: team or something? Can I take a job again? Yes, 570 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 3: but I'm not saying I'm not desperately into running a team. 571 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 3: If I don't run a team again, I would like 572 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 3: I want. It needs to be with a vision that 573 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 3: I can achieve what I couldn't achieve. It has, which 574 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 3: is going forward because I always had one album behind 575 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 3: my back. You know, I tried to fight with the 576 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 3: big boys, but never was giving the tools to fight 577 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 3: with them. So how should I do it? I'm no genius. 578 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,360 Speaker 3: I can work with and do my best, but if 579 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 3: you don't have, if you don't have the basis of it, 580 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 3: you cannot do it. So if something comes along which 581 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 3: interests me and is challenging, and with division, the biggest 582 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 3: thing is division must be vodium. Nothing else excellent. 583 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 2: Well, we really appreciate your time. Thank you so much 584 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 2: for coming. 585 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Really a pleasure gun Through, and 586 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: we wish you the best in your next endeavors and 587 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: in Miami. 588 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 3: Thank you very much, guys, thanks for having me. 589 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: I love how positive he is. I think he can 590 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: inspire us all, and we're sort of facing challenges at 591 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: work thinking what am I doing? Nothing's going right? I 592 00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: mean we all watched it in real time as he 593 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: dealt with adversity to say the least, and he kind 594 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: of did it with a bit of a joy de vivra. Yeah, 595 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: so I think we can support that for sure, absolutely. 596 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 2: I mean, in terms of the series, right, Toto and 597 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 2: Christian are always like at war and they both seem 598 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 2: like a little bit evil, whereas Gunter, even though he's 599 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 2: dropping an F bomb like literally every twenty six seconds. 600 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: I can't believe he didn't on our podcast. I think 601 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: he's ever gone. 602 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 2: But he seems so positive. And there's one scene in 603 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 2: like I don't know series season three or season four 604 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 2: where he's sitting on like a lounge share with his 605 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 2: wife and he's like, but it's going to turn out well, 606 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 2: and she's like, yeah, of course it's going to turn 607 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 2: out well. Like there's no other option for them other 608 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 2: than it working out. 609 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: In the end, right, Well, you know what, they have 610 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: each other, they have their daughter, they have their beautiful 611 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: life in North Carolina. Gunter, of course has other businesses 612 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: completely separate from Formula One. So yeah, he's going to 613 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: be fine. And I do have to say just a no. 614 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: There are plenty of fans that I know that will 615 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,959 Speaker 1: really be disappointed to hear Toto Wolf described as evil 616 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: because a lot of my girlfriends have major crushes on him. 617 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: So I will defend him because I have interviewed him. 618 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: He's a nice person. I'm a big fan of Susie, 619 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: his wife, and I've got a couple of girlfriends who 620 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: no disrespect to Susie. But if Toto were a single man, 621 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: they would be interested. 622 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't mean to say that he and 623 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 2: Toto were like in real life evil. I'm just saying 624 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 2: in the series, they're kind of like the bad guys, right, 625 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 2: because they're at each other's throats all the time. They're 626 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 2: pulling like dirty tricks to try and win, and they're 627 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 2: on top. So if you have Mercedes and Lewis Hamilton 628 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 2: and you've won like I don't know how many seven 629 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 2: World Championships, as Lewis have right, so then people can 630 00:30:51,960 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 2: lead against you. So you're the bad guy. Let's talk 631 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 2: a little bit about the cars that you've been driving. 632 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 2: You just had a story come out on McLaren. Even 633 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 2: though they're not good at Formula one racing, they make. 634 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: But Zach Brown is well liked speaking of team principally. 635 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 2: True, he's a cool principle. And Mattie Vanodo is it cool? 636 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 2: It was a cool principle. And yeah, there are other 637 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 2: like good guys there. Anyone who doesn't win all the 638 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 2: time is the good guy. 639 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: Right. 640 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 2: But they make but they make kind of like these 641 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 2: precision instruments. 642 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: Clinical clinical vehicles, very clinical but. 643 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 2: Amazing still, right, I mean you, what were you in 644 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 2: the McLaren seven fifty s. 645 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I was actually in the seven fifty s Spider, which, 646 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: to be fair, I myself didn't even realize it was 647 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: the Spider version until I got inside. It's really difficult 648 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: to tell the Spider separate from just the seven to 649 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: fifty s if the roof is up, and the day 650 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: that I drove this car was really ranged the entire day, 651 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: So in all disclosure, I didn't take the roof down. 652 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: There's hardly any difference but at least a Spider does 653 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 1: have this hard top that you can take down in 654 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: eleven seconds at speeds up to thirty one miles an hour. 655 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: And we should say the seven fifty s family is 656 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,959 Speaker 1: the successor to the seven twenty s and this is 657 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: the most powerful, lightest series production McLaren available right now. 658 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: If you want something, it starts the Spider starts at 659 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: three hundred and forty five thousand dollars. If you want 660 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: something that looks like a supercar, that just screams to everyone, 661 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: I've bought a supercar. This could be the car for you. 662 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think I would if I had that 663 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 2: much money. There's so many other cars I would buy 664 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 2: it first. And I'm not saying that it's a bad car. 665 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 2: I'm sure it's probably one of the best cars. But 666 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 2: it just doesn't it like we were talking about in 667 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 2: terms of electric cars, right, It just doesn't seem to 668 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 2: have as much of a soul. 669 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, McLaren does have a type of person 670 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 1: who really loves it because it is very analytical, very clinical, 671 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: very unadorned in a way. It's pure speed. Everything about 672 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: the car is oriented toward adding lightness. As they say, 673 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 1: so it's kind of perfect on paper, but you're right. 674 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: It typically it just there's something left. There's not a 675 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,959 Speaker 1: lot of drama behind the steering wheel, there's not a 676 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: lot of there's not a lot of soul. And when 677 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: you talk about price, you know, considering that you could 678 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: probably get a Ferrari to ninety six gts for almost 679 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 1: the same price, then it starts to make you question, well, 680 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 1: do you want to McLaren or do you want a Ferrari. 681 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: Those are two pretty different propositions. They're pretty competitive. The Ferrari, uh, 682 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 1: you know, is a little more expensive, has more horsepower, 683 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: is a hybrid, but you know, speed wise their neck 684 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: and neck. 685 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I would either save my money for 686 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 2: something else or buy many of something else. But just 687 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 2: to people of two things, I want to rhyme people 688 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 2: of two things. Number one, you can email us your 689 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 2: thoughts on McLaren. What would you buy us four hundred 690 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 2: thousand dollars and you know, or would you not buy 691 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 2: any of those supercars McLaren, Ferrari, a Lamborghini and just 692 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 2: look for something that's like fifty grand on bat our. 693 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 2: Email is hot pursuit at Bloomberg dot net and we 694 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 2: do really appreciate your thoughts, and we'll share your thoughts 695 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 2: also with the rest of our listeners. On that note, right, 696 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 2: we were talking about the guy who said no love 697 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 2: for Audi, and I was saying that my first car 698 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 2: purchase ever that I made was an Audi A four 699 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 2: and two thousand. It was the TDI, which I loved. 700 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 2: One hundred and eighty horse power, which doesn't sound like 701 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 2: a lot, but it was enough to get to two 702 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,919 Speaker 2: hundred kilometers on the Auto Bonn pretty much anytime. Plus 703 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:54,320 Speaker 2: it was a stick shift wagon really perfectly. But they're 704 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,280 Speaker 2: making some awesome cars that we really need to drive. 705 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,320 Speaker 2: I recently drove the SQ seven, which I all also 706 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 2: really loved. Even though it looks like a blob of 707 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,800 Speaker 2: an suv like there's no styling involved from the exterior, 708 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,800 Speaker 2: the interior is an amazing place to be and the motor, 709 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 2: the power plan is just awesome. 710 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: So yeah, and I like the Etron range. Actually, I 711 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 1: thought they what they are doing with the Etrons. The 712 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: electric range is competitive absolutely and looks way better than 713 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,399 Speaker 1: Tesla Lucid Rivian, and. 714 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 2: They're gonna be coming out with more, right, there's gonna 715 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 2: be a Q six that I'm excited to see. There's 716 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 2: gonna be a Q nine that I'm really excited to see. 717 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,879 Speaker 2: And you know, in terms of EV's, I think they 718 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 2: make some of the most exciting EV's out there so far. 719 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,360 Speaker 2: Agree so far, I'm loving the BMW EV's, but I 720 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 2: did love the Etron as well, and I'm excited to 721 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 2: get more into deeper into AUDI and I think they're 722 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 2: gonna be coming out with more exciting stuff. The other 723 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 2: thing I wanted to remind people about is where they 724 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,839 Speaker 2: can read your McLaren story. Where can people Where's what's 725 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 2: the easiest place to get your content, Hannah. 726 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 1: So just go to Bloomberg dot com and look under 727 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,360 Speaker 1: pursuits or just google Bloomberg Hannah Elliott and then whatever 728 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:11,880 Speaker 1: you want to read about, whatever car you want to 729 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 1: read about, you can search it online. You can also 730 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 1: follow me on Instagram Hannah Elliott XO. But yeah, you know, 731 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,760 Speaker 1: just google the car and google Bloomberg and Hannah Elliott 732 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 1: and the car, whatever car you want to read about 733 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 1: should pop right up. 734 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 2: All right now. I did want to talk a little 735 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 2: bit about the Cadillac that I. 736 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: Drove, and let's get into it. 737 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 2: It's kind of it's kind of a disappointment to me 738 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 2: because Cadillac makes what is to me one of the 739 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 2: best and most exciting new cars you can buy with 740 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 2: any amount of money today, and that is the CTS 741 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,319 Speaker 2: Wait CTS five Black Wing. Is that it CTV five 742 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:54,359 Speaker 2: Black Wing, I can never remember. 743 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 1: They've already got a big problem. If you love the 744 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,760 Speaker 1: car so much and you can't even remember what it's called, 745 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 1: the black Wing is a huge problem. 746 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 2: The black Wing is I think one of the best 747 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 2: cars out there that any money could buy. I probably 748 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 2: would rather have a CT five V Black Wing than 749 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 2: a McLaren seven to fifty. Yes, if they were the 750 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 2: same money, because it's just an absolute sledgehammer in a 751 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 2: beautifully styled handling sports car. And it's just yes, we've. 752 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: Already established this, we've discussed I want to talk about, Okay, 753 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 1: your opinion of the lyric because this is new ground. 754 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:37,480 Speaker 3: So last week I. 755 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,359 Speaker 2: Had the lyric and I was pretty excited about test 756 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 2: driving it because I like the styling. It's kind of 757 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 2: weird looking, you know, it's got that bread van look 758 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 2: in the back. Could have been like an old Maserati 759 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,920 Speaker 2: in the in the sense that it has that greenhouse 760 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 2: in the in the rear. 761 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,400 Speaker 1: Yes, it's almost a hatchback ish And. 762 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 2: Because I've been so impressed with Cadillac products lately. The 763 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 2: CTV four I also drove recently, and I absolutely loved it. 764 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:14,359 Speaker 2: I don't think they can. Yeah, exactly, the Escalade, even 765 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 2: if it's not the supercharged six point two, Like, it's 766 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 2: just an amazing vehicle. And the the electric version that's 767 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:24,839 Speaker 2: coming out we both saw. 768 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:25,839 Speaker 1: Wait to drive it. 769 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't wait to drive it. It's going to 770 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,959 Speaker 2: be very expensive, but it's awesome, right. I can't say 771 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,760 Speaker 2: that about the Lyric. I drove the Cadillac Lyric Sport 772 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,279 Speaker 2: three with sc whatever that means. I had to dig 773 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,720 Speaker 2: like deep into the menu before I could get into 774 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 2: sport mode. It just had zero soul when I was 775 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,440 Speaker 2: trying to wring it out a little bit on the 776 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 2: sprain Brook Parkway, like, it just didn't excite me and 777 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,719 Speaker 2: in any way possible. Yeah, and it should because I 778 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 2: love station wagons and I love Cadillac products. But you know, 779 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,560 Speaker 2: for seventy seven grand, which is how. 780 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,799 Speaker 1: It's going to ask, Yeah, I think you can get 781 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 1: in cooling furiously to find the price. 782 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,359 Speaker 2: You can get into it for less, but the one 783 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,480 Speaker 2: that I had, the way the way it was equipped 784 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 2: was seventy seven thousand dollars. And let's be honest, you're 785 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 2: not going to get a stripper version of any of 786 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 2: these cars, right, so you're going to put on some options. 787 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:23,840 Speaker 2: It's just a high price to ask for a soulless vehicle. 788 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:28,200 Speaker 1: Still special, not at all. I do agree for that price. 789 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: Whatever the thing is, the thing needs to feel a 790 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,640 Speaker 1: little special or a little bit like it's a treat 791 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,480 Speaker 1: that you've rewarded yourself with, or that you look forward 792 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,759 Speaker 1: to every morning, or that you look back at when 793 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,759 Speaker 1: you get out of at the end of the day. 794 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,600 Speaker 1: And this vehicle doesn't have it. Did you notice the 795 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:46,600 Speaker 1: range at all, Matt? 796 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,720 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't really pay much to that because, okay, 797 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,879 Speaker 2: I only have these cars for a week, so they 798 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 2: all get over two hundred miles. And I always like 799 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 2: to charge them myself as an experiment. I feel like 800 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,319 Speaker 2: it's kind of part of my job to see what 801 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,840 Speaker 2: it's like to charge an ev It isn't very pleasant. 802 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,760 Speaker 2: It's not horrible these days, but that's because I expect 803 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,800 Speaker 2: it to take a half hour to forty five minutes 804 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,440 Speaker 2: it and it does if I get there on time, 805 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,360 Speaker 2: or if you leave it plugged in overnight, it charges 806 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,000 Speaker 2: at your house. I don't pay that much attention. I 807 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,640 Speaker 2: feel like General Motors in general does a much better 808 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 2: job at range than almost anybody else. Like this is 809 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,279 Speaker 2: a place where Audi disappoints me. Right, I remember the 810 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,600 Speaker 2: first time I drove an e tron, I was in 811 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,680 Speaker 2: love with the thing. It was like magic carpet ride 812 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,279 Speaker 2: of Torque. This was back at you know, five six 813 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,279 Speaker 2: years ago, at the beginning of EVS, and I was 814 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 2: so blown away by that. And then I was so 815 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 2: disappointed by the range because I couldn't even get like 816 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:46,799 Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty kilometers out of. 817 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 1: It, which is a big deal. Yeah, that is a 818 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 1: big deal. 819 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:54,760 Speaker 2: But but GM has mastered that by putting giant batteries. 820 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 2: I don't know what the uh what the Lyric Sport 821 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 2: three has in terms of capacity, but you know, the 822 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:07,520 Speaker 2: the truck, the Silverado EV and the Escalade EQ or 823 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,239 Speaker 2: whatever they're calling it, those things get like well over 824 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,720 Speaker 2: three hundred miles in range because they have to remember, 825 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:14,920 Speaker 2: bill a lot hour batteries. 826 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,359 Speaker 1: Right when I drove it a couple of years ago, 827 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 1: they were saying three hundred and ten three hundred and 828 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:25,759 Speaker 1: twelve miles. Obviously that's not real, real world miles because 829 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 1: everything's gonna degrade, the battery a little bit, the duration 830 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,800 Speaker 1: a little bit. But yeah, I mean that's about that's 831 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,840 Speaker 1: more than competitive for sure. My thing is, I just 832 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:40,280 Speaker 1: don't know, it just is missing something. It doesn't feel 833 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,879 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not an engineer. Are they using components 834 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,400 Speaker 1: from you know? I feel like it's it's they've pulled 835 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,920 Speaker 1: things from the part spin to make this car, and 836 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,840 Speaker 1: it doesn't feel unique, and it. 837 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 2: Doesn't feel like they've got they've gone as far as 838 00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,719 Speaker 2: they have with a lot of their I see vehicles, 839 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,520 Speaker 2: you know, because they pulled all the stops for the 840 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 2: CTV four and five, and it doesn't feel like they 841 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,440 Speaker 2: did for this. By the way, it's the EPA rating 842 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,600 Speaker 2: is three hundred and seven miles of range, which which 843 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,120 Speaker 2: is great, you know, Yeah, and charge time at home 844 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:22,239 Speaker 2: six point seven hours, that's like normal to normal. But 845 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,279 Speaker 2: they missed the mark on so many other levels of 846 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,640 Speaker 2: this vehicle that I don't care anymore about range. 847 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,880 Speaker 1: And they've already had a lot of delays on you know, 848 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,760 Speaker 1: production has been delayed on this repeatedly, it's not doing well. 849 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:40,719 Speaker 1: And obviously components have been an issue, and logistics. 850 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,120 Speaker 2: Well, production line problematic. 851 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,480 Speaker 1: Yes, so it just is it's a miss. 852 00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:49,400 Speaker 2: It's a miss, true, but so many hits. So anybody 853 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,560 Speaker 2: from Cadillac is listening, and you have a CT five 854 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,600 Speaker 2: fee Black Wing that you want me to try out, 855 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,960 Speaker 2: will please keep making them? 856 00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:57,359 Speaker 3: Right? 857 00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,319 Speaker 2: The cool thing is that they're going to keep making them, Hanna, 858 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,200 Speaker 2: because they've already introduced or shown us the twenty twenty 859 00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:03,920 Speaker 2: five black Wings. 860 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:05,640 Speaker 1: They're going to be twelve of them a year. 861 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:06,439 Speaker 2: That's nice. 862 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,120 Speaker 1: Keep doing well for the twelve of you that want them. 863 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,640 Speaker 1: I've I've mentioned this before, but I am looking forward 864 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,040 Speaker 1: to driving the Celestic in September. So and that's their 865 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,239 Speaker 1: Rolls Royce competitor. 866 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:18,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a three hundred. 867 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,160 Speaker 1: Right, yeah, I look forward to that. All right. 868 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:27,640 Speaker 2: Very cool. And then finally the E Class, which we teased, 869 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,080 Speaker 2: so we should talk about what So, what's the deal 870 00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,920 Speaker 2: you're driving currently, this new E Class? 871 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:33,080 Speaker 3: Right? 872 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,360 Speaker 2: So you're driving it around back and forth to work, 873 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,920 Speaker 2: taking it on a joy ride? Are you doing anything special? 874 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,480 Speaker 1: No? This is daily life. This is not you know, 875 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,799 Speaker 1: this is a this is a mass car. This is 876 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,880 Speaker 1: something that is a luxury item, but it's sort of 877 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:49,120 Speaker 1: mass luxury. I drove the E four fifty Formatic. This 878 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,920 Speaker 1: is the new eleventh generation of the E class, so 879 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,879 Speaker 1: it's the next generation and introduces a lot of new 880 00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:01,400 Speaker 1: technology into the lineup. Mercedes typically does use the E 881 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:05,520 Speaker 1: class to launch a lot of new tech. So we've got, 882 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:09,000 Speaker 1: you know, a completely redesigned exterior with a new front grill. 883 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,160 Speaker 1: There are a lot of new designs on the exterior, 884 00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:16,960 Speaker 1: front and back, like new the tri Mercedes Star are 885 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,520 Speaker 1: like all over the car now in the grill and 886 00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,239 Speaker 1: the rear tail lights. They are Star motifs sort of everywhere. 887 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,760 Speaker 1: They've done things like added as standard panoramics, sun roof, 888 00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:33,239 Speaker 1: the front seats are now heated, and memory as standard, 889 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:37,040 Speaker 1: so you know, it's upgrades like that. The car doesn't 890 00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,200 Speaker 1: look radically different. If you've seen one class, you can 891 00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,960 Speaker 1: probably identify one. If you've seen one E Class, you 892 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,520 Speaker 1: can probably identify the other ones. But this just has 893 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:53,160 Speaker 1: basically the new MBUX system, which is Mercedes Entertainment System. 894 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,680 Speaker 1: It's got it's just new, it's all upgraded. 895 00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,719 Speaker 2: It's all new, and I'm guessing it if it's a 896 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,520 Speaker 2: four point fifty. I don't know how safe of a 897 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,879 Speaker 2: guess this is, but to me that means it's got 898 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,080 Speaker 2: a three liter in line six and since it's the 899 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:07,839 Speaker 2: new one, it probably is a hybrid with a forty 900 00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,600 Speaker 2: eight fold system. Probably yes, Okay, by the way, one 901 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,360 Speaker 2: debate that I've get it. I've gotten into online and 902 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,840 Speaker 2: people feel very passionately about this. When I got my 903 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:25,080 Speaker 2: g LS four fifty formattic, I got the light up 904 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,839 Speaker 2: star on the front, so the Mercedes emblem actually lights up, 905 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,040 Speaker 2: and a lot of people, interestingly to me on the 906 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:37,920 Speaker 2: MB world, you know, Mercedes Benz Forum, are very much 907 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,240 Speaker 2: against that because they think it looks gaudy, it's too opulent. 908 00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,279 Speaker 2: They think you're bragging that if your emblem lights up. 909 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:48,440 Speaker 2: That's too much. Now frankly, I mean, you've got the 910 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,440 Speaker 2: emblem on your car, and if you're driving in daylight, 911 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,680 Speaker 2: people are gonna see it as well. I think it's 912 00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,720 Speaker 2: a little bit silly. I like a light up emblem. 913 00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,759 Speaker 2: I think it's cool, whether it's whether it's on a 914 00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:03,560 Speaker 2: GMC or Mercedes or you know, any other vehicle, and 915 00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,040 Speaker 2: you're starting to see them a lot more. I just 916 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:07,360 Speaker 2: like the way it looks. 917 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not bothered by it. You know, I've definitely 918 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,680 Speaker 1: been in some of the higher end Mercedes where the 919 00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,880 Speaker 1: inside feels kind of like a nightclub in Eastern Europe 920 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,560 Speaker 1: in the nineties where it's just a bunch of lights 921 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,560 Speaker 1: and like ambient lighting and light strips and the top 922 00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,360 Speaker 1: and the doors and it's like a little too much 923 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,279 Speaker 1: so that I love less. But I'm not bothered by 924 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,400 Speaker 1: a light up single light up emblem. I think that's fine. 925 00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:35,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it would look killer on a 926 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,719 Speaker 1: g Wagon for instance. If you go big, you might 927 00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:39,759 Speaker 1: as well go really big. 928 00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,560 Speaker 2: And they they've been big stars forever, right Like I 929 00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:46,480 Speaker 2: think the Galling, the old Galling Mercedes had a giant 930 00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,200 Speaker 2: emblem on front as well. 931 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean this is this is not really new. 932 00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:55,359 Speaker 1: I mean, hey, Rolls Royce has Spirit of Ecstasy hood 933 00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,359 Speaker 1: ornaments that will glow from the inside if you want 934 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,160 Speaker 1: to talk opulence. Obviously that's a Royce. But you know, 935 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,480 Speaker 1: this is this is not a new idea. It's people 936 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:04,719 Speaker 1: have been doing this forever. 937 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,799 Speaker 2: And they're but they're doing it more like BMW. When 938 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,239 Speaker 2: I test drove the x M, they had light up 939 00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,520 Speaker 2: kidneys up front. And now the other day I went 940 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:18,560 Speaker 2: online to build a new BMW X six because I 941 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,120 Speaker 2: was test driving one, and I fell in love with 942 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:25,399 Speaker 2: it absolutely, okay, And but you can do you can 943 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,640 Speaker 2: do the light up kidneys on the new X five 944 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,719 Speaker 2: and X six as well. So it's coming to the 945 00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:31,760 Speaker 2: rest of their vehicles. 946 00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:36,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, especially if you're a fan of the whole kidney things. 947 00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,680 Speaker 1: You know. Now, we just saw this new BMW concept, 948 00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:45,920 Speaker 1: their Vision Class concept launched last week, and those kidneys 949 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,560 Speaker 1: on that thing this is there, Like electric suv are small, 950 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:53,960 Speaker 1: so they've gone back. They're pretty small, like the you 951 00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,920 Speaker 1: like the Yeah, okay, so I mean they're kind of 952 00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,879 Speaker 1: all over the place with the kidneys anyway, Well light 953 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,520 Speaker 1: them up, yeah, go go for it, have fun. 954 00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,600 Speaker 2: I feel like part of it is that everyone else 955 00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:09,040 Speaker 2: hates it. It makes me like the big giant kidneys. 956 00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,560 Speaker 2: And that's the same with the X six, Like, of course, 957 00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,680 Speaker 2: the X five makes a lot more sense, and the 958 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,959 Speaker 2: X six is essentially the same car, but just less 959 00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,319 Speaker 2: practical and ten thousand dollars more. Yeah, but I like 960 00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,200 Speaker 2: that no one likes it, you know, I. 961 00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,759 Speaker 1: Can get on board with that. I do like sort 962 00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:29,160 Speaker 1: of a contrarian attitude at times, which is maybe why 963 00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,520 Speaker 1: we can agree on the G class. You know what, 964 00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,920 Speaker 1: Like there's something that just feels great about being a 965 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,520 Speaker 1: little obnoxious. 966 00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,040 Speaker 2: The bad guy kind of you know. 967 00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I do want to say one 968 00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,640 Speaker 1: quick thing. I have to correct something from last week. 969 00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,640 Speaker 1: I felt a little bit bad. I mentioned my dad 970 00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,520 Speaker 1: and I said that he didn't know anything about cars. 971 00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,359 Speaker 2: And he was like, Hana, what are you talking about. 972 00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,960 Speaker 1: He did it well, he did listen, but he didn't 973 00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:58,920 Speaker 1: mention that. But when he told me, he listened, and 974 00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,360 Speaker 1: then I was like, oh, oh no, I said he 975 00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,839 Speaker 1: didn't know anything about cars, and he knows plenty. He's 976 00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:05,960 Speaker 1: the one who taught me how to drive a stick 977 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:11,239 Speaker 1: and he certainly knows how to do routine maintenance on 978 00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,360 Speaker 1: his old trucks. He had an old He's had a 979 00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,440 Speaker 1: bunch of old Ford and Chevy trucks. So I just 980 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,600 Speaker 1: want to say sorry about that. Dad. You do know 981 00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,280 Speaker 1: a lot and I really am grateful for you teaching 982 00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,400 Speaker 1: me how to drive. And he didn't ask me to 983 00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,000 Speaker 1: say this. This is just me. I felt a little 984 00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:25,399 Speaker 1: bit batter. 985 00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,200 Speaker 2: I think it's good that you respect Yeah. 986 00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,239 Speaker 1: He knows, he does know plenty. He's just not a 987 00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,640 Speaker 1: car guy and he would certainly agree with that. 988 00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,200 Speaker 2: Well, maybe we'll have him on the podcast someday. And 989 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,440 Speaker 2: a belated happy birthday to you. 990 00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, happy, happy seventy. 991 00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:45,719 Speaker 2: Well that does it for this week. That's all we 992 00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,479 Speaker 2: got time for. Join us again next week, same time, 993 00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:49,320 Speaker 2: same place. 994 00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,080 Speaker 1: I'm Matt Miller and I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is 995 00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:52,640 Speaker 1: Bloomberg