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Speaker 1: And that's what you really missed with Jenna and Kevin

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Speaker 1: an iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to you, and that's what you really miss podcasts.

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Speaker 2: Special guest appearance. We have a fellow actress, high schooler

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Speaker 2: on a hit TV show for nine years, nine nine.

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Speaker 2: She needs no introduction. Sophia Bush is here. We're so

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Speaker 2: thrilled we finally got her in her busy schedule to

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Speaker 2: come on our show and gab with us about very

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Speaker 2: crazy experience. Yes, it's similar phenomenon TV show series experience.

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Speaker 3: And she's an inspiration in terms of how you know,

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Speaker 3: being able to look back and understand the crazy things

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Speaker 3: we experienced and lived through. And she's also just a

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Speaker 3: great support system, a great friend, and a great human.

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Speaker 1: So here's Sophia Bush.

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Speaker 2: Hi Guary, Welcome, Hi Sophia, Hi cuties. It's good to

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Speaker 2: see you. Why are you.

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Speaker 3: Good on behalf of the people. Thank you for the

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Speaker 3: work you've done this year, you know, trying to get

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Speaker 3: things to go in the right direction. Just appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: You really do it. You really out there.

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Speaker 4: I'm trying. I think it's weird to sort of see

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Speaker 4: what we're up against and it's like, yeah, it's pretty

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Speaker 4: tough for like low old humans who just want other

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Speaker 4: humans to like have healthcare and be able to have

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Speaker 4: families and stuff. It's hard for us to compete with

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Speaker 4: like the billion dollar people, not even like the industries

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Speaker 4: they build, like the people who have the books.

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Speaker 2: But it's it's cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, people voted. We will figure it out.

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Speaker 2: We will.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the whole like surge and uh oh can I

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Speaker 4: change my vote Google searches. I was like, wow, yeah,

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Speaker 2: And then I part of me just wishes not.

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Speaker 4: That he would take a call from me, because I

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Speaker 4: think he probably views us as mortal enemies. But part

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Speaker 4: of me just like wants to call Mitch McConnell and

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Speaker 4: be like, so when you boast about the forty year

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Speaker 4: plan to underfund education, it's just been for this, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's cool.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, to be that unscrupulous. I'm like, my nightmare is

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Speaker 4: store that I'm like, what if I didn't contribute well

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Speaker 4: to that person's day? What if I was neutral? Oh

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Speaker 4: my god, could you imagine if I contributed negatively to

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Speaker 4: it for two days, and I'm like, oh, you want

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and sleep and just somehow profit off of

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Speaker 3: it and get lots of other people to agree with

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Speaker 3: you for forty years, to slowly chip away at people's

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Speaker 4: It is really crazy.

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Speaker 1: It is Wow.

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Speaker 3: A side note, I do I have thoughts and would

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Speaker 4: I would love that. It's mostly all that I have

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Speaker 4: the only other reason I've left the house was to

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Speaker 1: It felt magical, didn't it.

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Speaker 4: And even even for the show I do with my girlfriends.

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Speaker 4: We are in many ways, you know, in the real ways,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to Sow's house. I'm like I'm like, sheesh,

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Speaker 4: Everyone will be there will be fine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's you subconsciously new to create a safe space

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Speaker 2: My eyes are wet for many reasons. No, I I'm curious,

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Speaker 2: like speaking of a safe place, like because of all

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Speaker 4: I don't. We will just be surface friends.

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Speaker 4: like Hillary's my sister. Yeah, and I didn't. I didn't

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Speaker 4: weren't on set, we like sat down together one day

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00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,199
Speaker 4: at a barbecue like the summer after she'd left, and

441
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 4: we like cracked beers and we started talking and she

442
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 4: was like, I just could ask you something, and I

443
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,719
Speaker 4: was like, I need to ask you something too, And

444
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 4: there were things that as close as we'd been for

445
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 4: all those last years, like, there were still things we

446
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 4: hadn't said because we didn't want to screw up work

447
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 4: because our job was to prioritize the crew and the

448
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 4: family and the thing, and so us being able to

449
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 4: rebuild stuff. Starting in the seventh season, when she was

450
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 4: gone on like a soul level, not on a really

451
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 4: good friend level, but on a like you are my family,

452
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 4: my sister level was something I didn't even see coming

453
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 4: because I cherished our friendship, but I didn't I didn't

454
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 4: know I would cherish our family someday. And like, nobody

455
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 4: prepares you for this shit when you're.

456
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 2: Twenty and on the TV show equipped.

457
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 5: No one is equipped because then you add in also

458
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 5: money and fame, which are like silly, silly things, but

459
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 5: they're high pressure, high pressure, and it makes everybody in

460
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 5: this high pressure situation already go even crazier.

461
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, because you can't just be a person, You

462
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 4: can't just be who you are with your friends at home,

463
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 4: because you are responsible for an entire industry. And if

464
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,880
Speaker 4: you screw up the dynamic on set, then you're you're

465
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 4: putting your crew at risk. You're risking your working relationship

466
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,880
Speaker 4: with the studio that employs you. Like it's it's actually

467
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 4: so nuts, and nobody talks about it. And by the way,

468
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 4: I just I already know people are gonna be like

469
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 4: this entitled doctor, but it is really really hard and

470
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 4: so sorry that I wound up wound up being like

471
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 4: so much deeper. And you probably were no, no, that's.

472
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 3: Exactly because I mean, I don't know how that was

473
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 3: for you hearing that, but a lot of that was like, oh, yeah, okay,

474
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 3: these are universal things that happen on sets, like.

475
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: Very much. Yeah, that was real.

476
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 3: I have heard somebody else not on our show say

477
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 3: very very close things that happened on ours, you know,

478
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 3: like just the dynamics of you know, we're the family.

479
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 3: If you talked about us, that's not okay, Like we're

480
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 3: so protective of each other. But then you have so

481
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 3: much Yeah, those internal dynamics that are weird. And I

482
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 3: think sometimes thinking about what you just sort of ended

483
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 3: on about you don't want to mess it up for

484
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 3: the crew, like you need to create because people see

485
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 3: such a small percentage of what actually goes on, like

486
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 3: what ends up on screen is such a small part

487
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 3: of the every day And you have so many people,

488
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 3: people from and you and I talked about it on

489
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,479
Speaker 3: your show, from all different walks of life who are

490
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 3: coming together to make this thing. And I think the

491
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 3: golden handcuff situation and also applies an extra layer of

492
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 3: in the dynamics of crew and cast and production of

493
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 3: If there is an internal issue with the cast, let's say,

494
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 3: and the cast and producers, you don't want to complain

495
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,719
Speaker 3: about it for several reasons. One, it's unprofessional you're complaining

496
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 3: to maybe two other crew members are speaking about it.

497
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 3: But also it's like, yeah, you're there less time than

498
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 3: all the crew is, you're making exponentially more money than

499
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 3: they are, So who are we to complain about these things?

500
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 3: But it affects everyone, and it also it's like bad

501
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 3: behavior is bad behavior. But again, you're like an independent

502
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 3: contractor hired by a studio in a network to do

503
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 3: this job. And now that job comes with these other

504
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 3: things like controlling the dynamics and the healthiness and happiness

505
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 3: of the set, in your working relationship with people you

506
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 3: did not know before this and also you all became

507
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 3: famous all of a sudden, and some of you handled

508
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 3: it really well and some of you didn't. Yeah, the

509
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 3: outside is impacting the inside, and it's all, yeah.

510
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 4: Well, I and you you don't want to lose touch

511
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 4: with normalcy. And that sounds so stupid, but it's like

512
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 4: I had to learn the hard way. I remember being

513
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 4: on set and like we and it really hit me

514
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 4: because we had a PA on a show who was

515
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 4: a woman, a young woman who was so great, and

516
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 4: it was like her first episode years into the series

517
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 4: getting to run the set, like getting to step in,

518
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 4: you know, to the role of the person in the

519
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 4: ad department above her and run the set. And it

520
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 4: wasn't lost on me that in a big scene we

521
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 4: had plenty of regular background actors, right like people who

522
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 4: come in a lot, you get to know everybody, and

523
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 4: people respected the rules pretty well. You know. Social media

524
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 4: changed things and everyone wants like the bts and the whatever,

525
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 4: and it's like, that's not what we're here for. But okay,

526
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 4: but it really irked me that this group of folks

527
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 4: that like I considered to be in the fam in

528
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 4: the background would not stop taking pictures even though there's

529
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 4: an express like network policy that you do not do

530
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 4: that on set, and anytime anyone was doing it, and

531
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 4: the older man who's like, you know, fifty and in

532
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 4: charge normally running the set would say, don't do that.

533
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 4: People would put their phones away, but this woman who

534
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 4: was thirty and very physically small was running our set,

535
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 4: and this group of people like kept doing this, and

536
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 4: I finally walked over and was like, guys, what are

537
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 4: we doing? Like please don't disrespect her, Please don't disrespect us,

538
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 4: like this is our house, you know, please be cool,

539
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 4: and like don't treat don't treat her because she's a

540
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 4: young woman, like her instructions don't matter, her opinion doesn't matter,

541
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 4: or her authority is unrecognized, okay, And like I didn't

542
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 4: think I was being rude at all. And it turned

543
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 4: into this whole thing where you were like, you're an

544
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 4: actor and you can't talk, like you can't do that.

545
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 4: You always have to let someone else be the bad guy.

546
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 4: And I was like, no, no, I don't want to

547
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 4: turn into the person that becomes infantilized so that I

548
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 4: can appear perfect, Like, guys, what are we doing?

549
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 3: Like to be fair, you have a shortcut to be

550
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 3: able to cut the Yeah, you know the set, you

551
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 3: know those people, and it's like yeah.

552
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 4: And if you feel shamed by that, you deal with

553
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 4: your feelings. But it was this really interesting thing. It's

554
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 4: an example that like popped out of my brain. I

555
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 4: haven't thought about it in a long time because I

556
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 4: was like, oh, it won't even be that you change.

557
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 4: It's that the way people perceive your humanness changes. It's

558
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 4: that you are allowed to be less and less human

559
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 4: because they believe you are more and more privileged. Yes,

560
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 4: And it's like, actually, I become a privileged idiot if

561
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 4: I become less human if I won't allow that, and

562
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 4: I go get it. I go get someone on the staff,

563
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 4: on the crew, and I'm like, you need to go

564
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 4: talk to those people. I'm like, what are we doing?

565
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 4: Are we turning into the people that are like, don't

566
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 4: look at me, don't eye contact with me like you.

567
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 4: I would never, I would sooner die.

568
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: Yes, it's because we've seen it happen.

569
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 2: We have seen it.

570
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: You guys, this is not that serious.

571
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 2: Come on, well, yeah, you can't allow that to happen

572
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 2: because then you become less human and it gets taken

573
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 2: away from you in a way, I don't, but your

574
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 2: integrity gets taken.

575
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

576
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 2: Sorry, he said, it's so beautifully that I'm not even

577
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 2: going to try and repeat it.

578
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 4: Well, I don't really know what I'm saying, other than

579
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 4: it's like this very tricky.

580
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 2: It's a very tricky balance and like line that we

581
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 2: toe where we are under our microscope much more than

582
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 2: other people, and what we do say is often taken

583
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 2: out of context and can be construed as being a diva,

584
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 2: a bitch, especially as a woman on a set, in

585
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 2: a leadership position, and it becomes something that I don't

586
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 2: want to feel scared to be who I am and

587
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 2: lead with strength and kindness and have that be misconstrued.

588
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 2: But I'd rather be misconstrued than not say anything at

589
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 2: all exactly. So you guys, you know, that's their vision

590
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 2: of what we are supposed to be and who we

591
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: are supposed to, how we're supposed to come off, and

592
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 2: how we're supposed to be handled and have other people

593
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 2: handle our business. But you learn over time and have

594
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 2: to deconstruct that in other people who have not been

595
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 2: in the position that you're in. Yeah, that's kind of

596
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 2: what we try to do.

597
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 4: And I think you know, somebody recently was like, God,

598
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 4: why are all the actors like all talking about their

599
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 4: feelings and therapy lately? And I'm like, well, because our

600
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 4: literal jobs are to show up and be emotionally healthy

601
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 4: enough to emotionally manipulate ourselves into acting out other people's feelings,

602
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 4: and then be healthy enough to then leave those feelings

603
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 4: at home and go have your real feelings in your

604
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 4: real life. It requires an immense amount of emotional and

605
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 4: psychological inventory and willingness to communicate and admit imperfection, and

606
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 4: you know, learn to be less and less judgmental, Like

607
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 4: it's not always easy to play a character who's an

608
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 4: asshole or who's like nuts, and you have to go

609
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 4: in and like be these people and not judge them or.

610
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 2: For nine years.

611
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're supposed to be this person and live in

612
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 6: this body for nine years and then exit it immediately

613
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 6: every day and then after nine years also become who

614
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 6: you are again.

615
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a big feat.

616
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 4: Was it weird for you when when the show ended?

617
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 4: Like how did you do that? How did you leave

618
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 4: her at work.

619
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: At the end of the show, like when the series ended?

620
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 2: Or every day?

621
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 4: Well, I mean I guess either whatever comes to mind. Sorry,

622
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 4: I'm a guest on your show and I'm interviewing.

623
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: That's great. Please.

624
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 2: I don't feel like I left her every day. I

625
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 2: feel like I inhabited her for a very long time

626
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 2: and we were one for and that was also troublesome.

627
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,439
Speaker 2: The character started to meld into me and I started

628
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 2: to meld into her. And also didn't help that the

629
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:52,479
Speaker 2: writers were writing to that.

630
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 4: Oh no, you don't say.

631
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 2: Right when we walked away from the show, especially in

632
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,439
Speaker 2: our In my personal life, I actually moved out of La,

633
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 2: I moved home. I didn't speak of it, I didn't

634
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 2: look at it. I got other work, I ran, I

635
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 2: said see you later, La, and I did other projects

636
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 2: and that it really helped me kind of shake shake her.

637
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 2: But in audition rooms though, in that interim people, I

638
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 2: had a really hard time. I had a really hard

639
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 2: time shaking everything from the tone, the pace, the way

640
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 2: I spoke, the intonation and just inhabiting Dina and people

641
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 2: couldn't separate it because I couldn't separate it. Yeah, it

642
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 2: was very, very hard, and that's why I never talked

643
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 2: about that. We haven't, Kevin, I have to dive into that. Well,

644
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 2: we're getting to the Anniversity series anyway, so we'll talk

645
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 2: about it.

646
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 3: I think I had a similar hmm, you see, like

647
00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 3: red carpet photos from that time. I was really trying

648
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 3: to fight against the character so hard. Outside of Paramount,

649
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 3: it was like I am not that person, Like I

650
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 3: was a very clear divide. And then when they did

651
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 3: start writing, you know, more of me in it, I

652
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 3: was like, it was a little hard, but I think

653
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,439
Speaker 3: we were quite different, especially like the whole gay thing,

654
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 3: Like there was more of a divide between me and

655
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 3: who already was. Yeah, but any audition during it and afterwards,

656
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 3: and every now and then with each new job, so

657
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 3: I'll like find a little thing that I didn't realize

658
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 3: was like still in there, Like it just came up.

659
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 3: It just happened recently, and I don't remember what. I

660
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 3: don't know if it was how I said a word

661
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 3: or it was like a physical movement.

662
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: All of a sudden.

663
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 3: I was like, oh no, there is Oh God, I

664
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 3: gotta put that away, Like this is not your show,

665
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 3: but it's very It is very because I didn't think

666
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 3: I'm like that type of Yeah, I don't know actor,

667
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 3: but like it, Yeah, when you inhabit a body like that,

668
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 3: for so long.

669
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's scary.

670
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: How you leave it?

671
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 2: How did you leave it?

672
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 4: I don't even know, because I made her, but she

673
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 4: was also her own person. But I fought for her

674
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 4: and I shaped her. And there are things about us

675
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 4: that are really similar and things about us that I

676
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 4: think are very different. And it's sort of like, h

677
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 4: it's like she's my fraternal twin, Like we're not the same,

678
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 4: but we're exactly the same, you know. And there are

679
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 4: some people, Yeah, there will be people who come up

680
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 4: to me and they're like, oh my god, I'm Brooke

681
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 4: Davis's biggest fan, and I'm like, bet, I promise you

682
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 4: I am.

683
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right, like I made her, yeah.

684
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 4: You know, and I love it and we always giggle

685
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 4: and then I'm like, no, way, okay, but all kidding aside,

686
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 4: Like what why do you say that. I'm like, I'll

687
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 4: tell you why. I say that. It is really interesting,

688
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 4: and I think for me, especially because I felt like

689
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 4: I fought so hard for her, because in a way,

690
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 4: I was learning how to fight for myself and I

691
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 4: didn't know how to yet. Having someone else to fight

692
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 4: for gave me much more kind of strength than I

693
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 4: had for me. So I fought for her, and I

694
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 4: wanted her to be complex and real and to have

695
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 4: motivations and you know, not to just be this like

696
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 4: archetype of a person. And now it's interesting, like I

697
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 4: really got into some things with some viciously anti science

698
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 4: nightmarish people this week on the internet at Shocker, and

699
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 4: a bunch of people were like, holy shit, you really are,

700
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 4: Like this is so Brooke Davis. And I was like,

701
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 4: this is me and I guess this is her because

702
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 4: this is how I found myself while I played her.

703
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 4: I just absolutely refused to like let people be hideous

704
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 4: to women, let alone hideous to women experiencing pregnancy loss,

705
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 4: like we're not doing this. And I just was like, oh,

706
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 4: did you think I wasn't going to say something? And

707
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 4: I was like this is where this is where like

708
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 4: the two lines crossed, it's the same and.

709
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 2: Dias there, it is there.

710
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 1: It is Wow. That broke my brain a little bit.

711
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,439
Speaker 2: Just now, sorry, wait why we were so young?

712
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: We were so young. I fully.

713
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 3: Learned how to speak up for myself during the process

714
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 3: of the show, and not until very late in it,

715
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 3: to be honest, But the way I felt comfortable speaking

716
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 3: up was sort of behind the character, like under the

717
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 3: guise of this is about the character, or like a

718
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 3: very specific thing about me with the character, and I

719
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 3: felt comfortable doing that in certain situations. Yep, and I

720
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 3: do think. And then Alaratie was written much more confident

721
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 3: than I ever was. I mean, yeah and so and

722
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 3: so I think yeah and so. I think living between

723
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 3: those two worlds of like slowly learning how to do

724
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 3: it behind the scenes and then on camera having that

725
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 3: confidence and also being surrounded. I always say it though,

726
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 3: like the girls on the show, just watching them operate

727
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 3: within that space completely taught me how to speak up

728
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 3: for myself.

729
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: But I did never realize that.

730
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 3: I also learned that from all the reasons why you

731
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 3: just said yeah, Like.

732
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 4: I think about even still, I am an adult. It

733
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 4: has been so long. No one is meaner to me

734
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 4: than me. When the internet tries, I'm like.

735
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, good one. There's no world you don't.

736
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 4: Live in this brain like enough, I've heard it all before,

737
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 4: I've said it to myself before you ever could have.

738
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 4: But that is where we're so different. Brooke Davis would

739
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 4: be the kind of person who'd be like, I'm so

740
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 4: sorry you've a problem with me. I'm fabulous, right, And

741
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 4: when I'm really in whatever version of a spiral I'm in,

742
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, I could choose to be more like.

743
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 2: Her, yeah, and move on with my day, like people

744
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 2: do that dream inspiring, right, You created her to aspire

745
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:18,399
Speaker 2: to her.

746
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 4: I was like, we have the intersection of the X

747
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 4: and then we have these places where we could not

748
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 4: be farther apart, and I aspire. I aspire.

749
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have this thing, Kevin and I, and we're

750
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: finding more and more a lot of people also who

751
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 2: have been on long standing TV shows, the days meld

752
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 2: into each other. Obviously we're in the same set, same places.

753
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 2: Sometimes there's things that you can't recollect, like having what

754
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 2: did you ever learned yesterday? You know, it feels like that.

755
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 2: But there are scenes and numbers and places we've been

756
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 2: that we're rewatching where we feel like I am out

757
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 2: of body because alarmed at how little my memory has

758
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:08,479
Speaker 2: given me from that moment. I don't remember it. Usually

759
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 2: I can remember by the costume, yeah, because we had

760
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 2: just very unique and colorful outfits to wear. It's also

761
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 2: probably because of the trauma, like after Corey died, all

762
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 2: the episodes that we're watching right now, during season five,

763
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 2: there's like very little that we remember doing. But I'm curious, like,

764
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 2: have you had that experience in rewatching your show?

765
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 4: Oh?

766
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Okay.

767
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 4: What's almost weirder to me is when there's an episode

768
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 4: that ends on a cliffhanger and we'll wrap the podcasts

769
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 4: and I'll be like, you, guys, do you remember what happened?

770
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 2: What happens to totally we should know, but I no

771
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 2: idea a seasons And then there's this.

772
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 4: Weird thing that the inverse where a scene will start

773
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 4: and it's literally like I can smell Wilmington. I know

774
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 4: what temperature it was that day, Like I I remember walking,

775
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 4: you know, down Front Street and being able to smell

776
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 4: the waffle cones that they started at Killwinds at like

777
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 4: eleven am. Like it's so visceral, it's like I am teleported. Yeah,

778
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 4: And then there are major things that happen and I go, wait,

779
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 4: was what? It's like I wasn't even.

780
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 2: There and I'm clearly on camera.

781
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 3: Yes, Jenner has started texting me being like, I'm watching

782
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 3: myself in this scene, but I don't know of being

783
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 3: in this scene, the sceneisting, and it's really freaky, but

784
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 3: it is right yes, I'm glad.

785
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 1: It seems to be.

786
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 3: There's like a consensus though amongst people in the same POSISI.

787
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 4: Remember, And there are things that I remember so clearly,

788
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 4: like so clearly I could I could reblock the experience, yes,

789
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 4: And then things that I'm like, well, that's a fun,

790
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 4: fun trip.

791
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:06,399
Speaker 2: I didn't know I could do that.

792
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 4: It's so weird.

793
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,479
Speaker 3: It is really weird, especially after nine seasons. I don't

794
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 3: know how.

795
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I just.

796
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 3: I don't know how you would remember, Like we only

797
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 3: have six seasons and we don't remember. It's like a

798
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 3: glorified five and a half. But like we hardly were, like, m.

799
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 4: Sure, but like, guys, you were also doing full choreo

800
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 4: recording like you you basically did. You did a TV

801
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 4: show and a Broadway show at the same time, which

802
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 4: is not actually normal for a human.

803
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: It was not.

804
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 2: No, none of this is normal. But no, no, it's normal.

805
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 1: It's weird, none of it.

806
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 3: Going back, you know, watching these things now, we love

807
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 3: getting to interview people who worked on the show in

808
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 3: different capacities and hearing those perspectives just like this where

809
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 3: we're discovering like, oh my god, that's what you meant

810
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 3: by that or oh yeah, we like going and like,

811
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 3: you know, working through the trauma that we didn't necessarily

812
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 3: realize we had had at the time, has it been healing?

813
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 3: And because it's felt more celebratory for us, I think

814
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 3: going through it now and being able to with time

815
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 3: in the distance, be like, look at this, We're proud

816
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 3: of this, and look what we did and oh that

817
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 3: day was tough, and let's talk about it. But we've

818
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 3: been able to sort of it feels like a little

819
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 3: therapy session every time we have a guest on to talk.

820
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 3: But like, looking back for all of you, have there

821
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 3: been things that have come up that you maybe didn't

822
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 3: expect or realize and have been nice to sort of

823
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 3: talk through.

824
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 4: Oh? Absolutely. I mean even when we first started, we

825
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 4: watched I want to say it was the first two,

826
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 4: maybe it was the first three, but I think it

827
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 4: was the first two episodesisodes together to kind of just

828
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 4: get in the groove of it, and we sopped, just sopped,

829
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 4: and I was like, oh, I wasn't prepared for that

830
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 4: feeling of like look at what innocent, like little babies

831
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 4: we were. We had no idea what we were in for,

832
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 4: and like, yeah, there's there's things that I think you

833
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 4: just have no clue you're going to experience. I think

834
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 4: I think what's felt really nice is realizing, oh yeah,

835
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 4: I now see this the way other people see it.

836
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 4: I get why this was a thing in the zeitgeist.

837
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 4: I get why this is people's comfort show. We did

838
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 4: something really great. And for all the jokes we crack

839
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 4: and all the whatever, like Hillary loves to be like, yeah,

840
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 4: look at all the tears we made people cry with

841
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 4: that shitty script. Could you imagine if we'd had the

842
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 4: script on an HBO show, Like you know, some of

843
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 4: our scripts were great, some were clearly not, like Hi

844
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 4: Early Aughts on the CW. But I'm really proud of

845
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 4: what we did. And I think for a while I

846
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 4: didn't feel like I was allowed to be or maybe

847
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 4: I didn't deserve to be and it it is very

848
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 4: cool to have the distance and then look back and

849
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 4: get it.

850
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels nice.

851
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: That's great.

852
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of so you guys are doing a reboot

853
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 2: if you will, of your show. Would you call it?

854
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 2: What would you call it?

855
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:34,399
Speaker 4: I would call what is in development? That was Unfortunately

856
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 4: it leaked about. We had an announcement to make no,

857
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 4: it's totally fine, but I would say it's like I

858
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:49,240
Speaker 4: would say, it's a phase two because people have asked

859
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,720
Speaker 4: for it for so long, and I think when people

860
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 4: were asking for it, initially all of us said absolutely not,

861
00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 4: and then we started to think like, well, what if,

862
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 4: what if it was a perhaps, and what if Nike

863
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 4: the first time the women were in charge, and what

864
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 4: if we could do something really beautiful? And what's been

865
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 4: really special? And I will say I really appreciate, Look,

866
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 4: everybody does their jobs, like everybody toes the line of like,

867
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 4: we don't know, we'll see what happens, because that's what

868
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 4: we've been told to say. But like the cat's out

869
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 4: of the bag now, and our dear friend who started

870
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 4: talking about it in front of someone they shouldn't have

871
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 4: been lovingly reprimanded.

872
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: It's fine.

873
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 4: But what I will say is it has been the

874
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 4: most inclusive process and that is something I really cherish.

875
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 4: I appreciate that everyone was like, we're gonna say no comment,

876
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 4: and I was like, guys, everybody already knows. We tried

877
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,879
Speaker 4: that for like two months or three months or whatever,

878
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 4: and I'm like, it's not working, but it's been really

879
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 4: what's been really special is to be able to be

880
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 4: in the sort of original group of our family and

881
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 4: hear everyone's excitement and everyone's trepidation and why people are

882
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 4: into it and why they're afraid of it, and what

883
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 4: they would want and what they would need. And the

884
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 4: thing that I think is the coolest is, you know,

885
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 4: everyone's gone on to write, produce, direct, be so creative

886
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 4: that what's been really beautiful for me in you know,

887
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 4: partnering with my friends and learning from these amazing women

888
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 4: and the women we all are today is I love

889
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 4: seeing what everyone wants their characters to be doing now.

890
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 4: And even if you know, through this development process, let's

891
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 4: say we don't wind up shooting this thing, what it's

892
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 4: like given me the world building I've seen from all

893
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 4: the women and all the men you know who helped

894
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 4: build the show from the first season, and it's like,

895
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,240
Speaker 4: my heart feels really full. I feel like I've gotten

896
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 4: to see it, even if no one else ever does.

897
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 4: And and that's the thing that I cherish because we

898
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 4: get asked, as you guys, I'm sure, do you know

899
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 4: at these conventions or these events, people are like, what

900
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 4: do you think your characters are doing now? And I

901
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 4: have loved watching our showrunner develop what all these sort

902
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 4: of core characters originally answer those questions with the people

903
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,280
Speaker 4: who made them the iconic characters.

904
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: That's so special.

905
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 4: That's really cool. So wherever it goes, it's it's really.

906
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 2: Been like when yeah, exactly the rest of it.

907
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 4: And because I love you both and you know what,

908
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 4: it's like, I'm giving you all the information that thank.

909
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 3: You, no idea fine, It's like it was leaked and

910
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 3: then it just stuck to all the brains.

911
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 4: Well and then everyone's like, oh, we don't know, and

912
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 4: like they're trying to correct jokes and like sweet Paul

913
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 4: and Barbara and an event like started joking around because

914
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 4: like you know, Paul's character died, so he was like,

915
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 4: I'll try to take this one, and I'm watching everybody

916
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 4: be like, uh, Meanwhile, I'm thinking about like the pages

917
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 4: of character development I've seen that they've all submitted that

918
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 4: they're so good, and I was like, at some point,

919
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 4: we're just gonna have to like say, everyone's brilliant, and

920
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 4: if it winds up on TV, you're gonna love it.

921
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 4: And if it doesn't, we got to have it and

922
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 4: we loved it.

923
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:31,800
Speaker 3: Right yeah, right, right, So there's been a couple of

924
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 3: years speaking of, you know, being on a show that

925
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 3: was in the zeitgeist. Yeah, there have been a couple

926
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,919
Speaker 3: of references in Glee thus far about One Tree Hill.

927
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 2: Really.

928
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so funny because at the time, obviously I

929
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 3: did not know you and not watching idiom like this.

930
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 3: We were yeah, like Heather says, she said in season

931
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 3: two something like I don't want to die.

932
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 2: And die at least.

933
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I love it.

934
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 2: And then we're watching right now there's a band that

935
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 2: Chris call For, Adam Lambert and Demie Levado, Liamshelle and

936
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 2: Iya Rivera are part of, and it was called Pamela

937
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 2: Lansbury but now it's One three Hill. Oh, I mean,

938
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 2: you guys are overlaps. So yeah, it's just so funny.

939
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know that. The such referential stuff was

940
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 4: always really funny to me. We we're in our seventh

941
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 4: season on our pod and there's the whole storyline where Julian,

942
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 4: who winds up being Brook's husband, is, you know, making

943
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 4: this movie of Lucas's book, and Brooke is like, well,

944
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 4: what are you going to do? Hire one of those like,

945
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 4: you know, hot little ships from the CW to play

946
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 4: me or like whatever, and it's so, oh my, what

947
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,280
Speaker 4: are we doing? This is so stupid they are doing

948
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 4: but like everyone just can't help themselves.

949
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 2: No, no, it's point.

950
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: She's seven. You know you used to try it out. Yeah, you.

951
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 2: Start to be like, we're in on the joke too,

952
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 2: And now you're You're a guest star on gris Anatomy,

953
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 2: which is one of my another massive, massive show. So's fun. Yeah,

954
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 2: I Hillary went.

955
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 4: On Joy was on at some point and then it

956
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 4: like turned into this thing where all the Grays fans

957
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 4: were like, we got together, we got together, we got

958
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 4: to get her. And because of COVID, even though we

959
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 4: only did the one season of Good Sam, I was

960
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 4: attached to the project for almost three years and so

961
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 4: I just like couldn't And then I went to London

962
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 4: and did my play and then we were on strike

963
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 4: and so they were just like, can we please finally

964
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 4: give the fans please? I was like, yeah, I was

965
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 4: playing a surgeon and it was really fun to get

966
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 4: on set because their medical supervisor was like, we've literally

967
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 4: never had an actor who needed no training. This is

968
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 4: so fun and it's also really fun for me.

969
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I was just like doing whip stitches and closing.

970
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 4: Up a surgical thing, and I was like, this really, like,

971
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 4: I actually love playing a doctor. And the pro tip

972
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 4: of it is is when you get to be in

973
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 4: scrubs at work all day, you're basically in pajamas and

974
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 4: I dream.

975
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 3: This is also why we're going to your house. If

976
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 3: the apocalypse happens, you can stitch us up.

977
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, actually I really could. I think I'm.

978
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 2: Pretty good at it. Wow, that's fine. Have you gotten

979
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 2: to cross paths with Harry Shum.

980
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 4: No, we don't have any overlap yet. And you know,

981
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 4: much like any show that's been on for that long,

982
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 4: they're so efficient that I'd either not been at work

983
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,479
Speaker 4: when he's at work because I keep trying to find him,

984
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 4: or when we're both at work, we're on two different

985
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 4: units and we're like in literal different places, and I'm like,

986
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 4: one of these days, I'm going to see my friend

987
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 4: and I'm acoling in the breezeway.

988
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,919
Speaker 3: He's talked about that schedule and it just sounds one.

989
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 3: He's like, they have been doubt.

990
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 4: It's unbelievable. It's literally it's kind of like going to

991
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 4: work at Disneyland. You're like, Wow, this is possible. You

992
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 4: mean this green and this nice and you can go

993
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 4: home before your whole family's asleep.

994
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:20,760
Speaker 1: Wow?

995
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah wow. Because this is a Glee podcast, what

996
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 2: do you think Brooke would be? Like? Who do you

997
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,280
Speaker 2: think she would be in our world in Glee?

998
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 4: In Glee?

999
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 2: Oh, like, where would she fit like in the high

1000
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 2: school years?

1001
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:44,720
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah?

1002
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 4: Oh? I mean I would have had so much fun

1003
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 4: cheering with all the girlies. Yeah, you know. I also

1004
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 4: think it actually could have been something I don't know.

1005
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 4: I I think very similar, like to Brooke and Mouth's friendship.

1006
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 4: I feel like Brooke and Arty would have been great friends.

1007
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 4: And I feel like because she started close over bros

1008
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 4: in high school, like I could have been like making

1009
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 4: the ensembles for the numbers.

1010
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 2: I think, yes, Okay, what is there a song do

1011
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 2: you think that she might sing?

1012
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know what her song music, thank you.

1013
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 4: I don't know what her song should be. I remember

1014
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 4: like the just the feeling in my bones of when

1015
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 4: I think it's when Gwyneth Paltrow was in whatever that

1016
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 4: season was, and it was when Umbrella had come out,

1017
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 4: and I was like, I want to do that, And

1018
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 4: then all these years later on lip sync Battle when

1019
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 4: Tom Holland did it and broke House down. I was like,

1020
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 4: this song. The fact that I have never been able

1021
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,720
Speaker 4: to do a version of this song on any show,

1022
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 4: be it a variety show or a TV show, is

1023
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 4: like it haunts me. I want it so bad.

1024
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 2: That okay, I'm open to a so I get it.

1025
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 2: Though you got to get out of you. You would

1026
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 2: have fought for That's the way you would have fought

1027
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:06,399
Speaker 2: for it. I get it. I get it.

1028
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 4: I would have really loved it.

1029
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 2: I would like to see that and like the water choreo,

1030
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 2: It's just it was pretty great. It was very hard

1031
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:15,919
Speaker 2: to shoot, but it was great.

1032
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. When it's pulling in your lap.

1033
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 2: Were like full, like to the top of the rain boot.

1034
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 2: This is like when people.

1035
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 4: Who loved One Tree Hill are like, oh my god,

1036
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 4: like Season eight when broke almost drowned. I'm like, yeah,

1037
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 4: and I was actually being drowned on set, like trapped

1038
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 4: in a vehicle filling with water. For me, it's a no,

1039
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 4: yeah yeah, but I'm enjoyed watching it.

1040
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 2: Right.

1041
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm very bad at gauging, you know, fixing my

1042
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 3: face and people are like, I love that number.

1043
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 2: Like you do the same I don't have it in

1044
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 2: me anymore. Sophia, thank you so much for taking the

1045
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 2: time out of literally one of the busiest people. I

1046
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 2: think you're bear Hollywood or in the world, fighting for

1047
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 2: justice and human rights and also just a beacon of

1048
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 2: light in the industry. Thank you so much for being

1049
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 2: with us.

1050
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 4: We did it, we did all. We done our work,

1051
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 4: and we're joyful little beings.

1052
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 2: We really did it. We did it, we made it.

1053
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 4: I love you all.

1054
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 1: I love you.

1055
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 3: Thanks so much for being here. It's nice that we

1056
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 3: could do this and record it because she and I

1057
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 3: have had conversations over the years because how many people

1058
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 3: it's a small industry, and then the people who have

1059
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 3: had crossover being in a teen show that became a

1060
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 3: big thing when you were young, and it's even smaller,

1061
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 3: and so it's it is really nice to find people

1062
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 3: to be able to talk about it without judgment and

1063
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 3: to just be like, this is a crazy thing we're doing.

1064
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: Isn't it? Like how what is this for you? Yeah? Exactly?

1065
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 3: Like how many people can say we've been there, I

1066
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 3: know what you feel like.

1067
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 2: And it's interesting to have such similar She's so different,

1068
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 2: like obviously she is her own person, but like to

1069
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 2: have such similar experiences on their show. And yeah, in

1070
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 2: many ways, yes, it's actually distant lightening to hear other

1071
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 2: people's experiences that are so similar because so much resonates.

1072
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 3: And go listen to She has two great podcasts. One

1073
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 3: is Work in Progress and one is Drama Queens, which

1074
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 3: is the recap podcast about One Tree Hill. So go

1075
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 3: subscribe download all of those. Thank you so for being here.

1076
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 3: We love you and that's what you really missed. Thanks

1077
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,919
Speaker 3: for listening, and follow us on Instagram at and That's

1078
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 3: what you really miss pod. Make sure to write us

1079
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 3: a review and leave us five stars.

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00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 1: See you next time