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Speaker 3: Bucky Brooks, how are you? How are you? Bucky Brooks?

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Speaker 4: Of good Andy? What's happening?

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Speaker 3: You sound great? You really do?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say this, I don't know who's handling like

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Speaker 2: the marketing for the NFL over the last several years.

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Speaker 4: It did.

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Speaker 3: It's ingenious. I mean, this sport is great, but they've

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Speaker 3: taken it to another level because you cannot turn around,

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Speaker 3: you cannot leave, you cannot live without hearing, reading, or

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Speaker 3: seeing anything about the NFL every single day of the year.

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Speaker 3: It's amazing.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the Super Bowl's like three weeks old already,

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Speaker 2: but they're still talking about trades. You know, they had

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Speaker 2: this combine thing. People go crazy watching that stuff on TV.

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Speaker 2: I can't watch it for more than ten minutes. It's

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Speaker 2: guys running around in their underwear and the timing them.

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Speaker 3: I don't get it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you do, you're a scout, you're a pro guy.

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Speaker 2: You know that stuff. I don't understand what it does.

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Speaker 2: I mean for personnel guys. It's great, but it's ingenious

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Speaker 2: that they put it on TV and people watch that.

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Speaker 3: Now they got this trade.

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Speaker 2: You know, the forty nine is trading Deebo Samuel, so

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Speaker 2: they get some media attention on the trade. But the

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Speaker 2: trade has to be agreed on when the NFL season

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Speaker 2: begins officially March twelve, So they get some press now

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Speaker 2: for the potential trade. Then on March twelfth, they got

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Speaker 2: some more press because now they introduced depot to Washington.

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Speaker 3: It's amazing.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you cannot turn the corner without day in

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Speaker 2: and day out coverage of the National Football League. I

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Speaker 2: can't believe it. And as a former PR guy, I

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Speaker 2: am certainly impressed. I'm not certain people have done it

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Speaker 2: or maybe it's the sport. I can't believe one person

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Speaker 2: created this. It's the sport itself.

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Speaker 3: Is that interesting? I believe?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: No, I think the NFL has done a great job

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Speaker 5: of making the sport relevant.

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Speaker 4: Three sixty five.

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Speaker 5: You know, every day every month there's some kind of

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Speaker 5: tempole event for the National Football League that forces fans

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Speaker 5: to watch in If you think about the super Bowl

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Speaker 5: being in February. This to combine extending into Marsden free

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Speaker 5: agent frenzy, and then you eventually have the Draft in April,

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Speaker 5: mini camps and all those things that populate the summer,

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Speaker 5: start having July like it takes you all the way

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Speaker 5: through the calendar year. Roger Goodell and the people that

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Speaker 5: extending the reach. They've expanded into the international spear, everything

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Speaker 5: that's related to football, Like whatever they do, they can't miss.

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Speaker 5: So it looks it's great to be associated with a

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Speaker 2: There's no doubt about that. And you know what, in life,

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Speaker 2: they always say, it's not what you know, it's who

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Speaker 2: with a great skill set like Deebo Samuel, the Commanders

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Speaker 2: they got some connection here with Deeba because the general

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Speaker 5: Well, it's a great move because there's a lot of

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Speaker 5: familiarity with the player. Adam Peters was former assistant general

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Speaker 5: Don't forget that Deebo Samuel had a few dust ups

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Speaker 5: He can be a little volatile when it comes to

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Speaker 5: that he respects the coaches that are there, and that

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Speaker 5: they have a way of kind of finding these middle

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Speaker 5: because they know the player. Now he's thirty years old.

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Speaker 5: He's not the player that he once was. He does

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Speaker 5: have some durability concerns because he can't get beat up

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Speaker 5: in his reckless style in which he operates. But the

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Speaker 5: prospect of putting him with Terry McLaurin and this running game,

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Speaker 5: you are adding more weapons around Jayden Daniels and that

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Speaker 5: is only going to night the Offense's who made the

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Speaker 3: No doubt about that.

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Speaker 2: Now, last year he only I looked at the stats

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Speaker 3: But he didn't play much. You know, he had a calf.

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Speaker 2: because obviously he was hurt. And number two, does he

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Speaker 5: Now he passed the physical because they want the player,

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Speaker 5: so they'll find a way to pass them. I don't

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Speaker 5: anticipate them extending his deal right away. You want to

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Speaker 5: where he is not only physically but maturity, what kind

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Speaker 4: So you play this one out. They have a bunch

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Speaker 5: You don't want to add to the costs when you're

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Speaker 5: still trying to form your nucleus. But a motivated Deebo

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't extend it now.

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Speaker 5: Because that would take away that incentive make him earn

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Speaker 2: Okay, So we talked about the Commanders. I think it's

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Speaker 2: think that's such a big whoop. However, let's look at

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Speaker 4: I don't think so.

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Speaker 5: I think this had a moved to do less with

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Speaker 4: Remember, Brandon n Ayuk also was rumored to be.

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Speaker 5: Shopped around as a potential trade possibility. Last year, you

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Speaker 5: had Deebo Samuel doing his thing. He has some incidents

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Speaker 5: after going through all that, says, look, let me just

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Speaker 5: They've done it that way before, and maybe they're trying

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Speaker 2: I hear what you do saying, Okay, I'm going to go

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Speaker 2: back to the combine for a second, because these stories

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Speaker 2: The tackle Will Campbell. He was a consensus All American

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Speaker 2: Jacob's Blocking Trophy, one of the highest rated players in

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Speaker 2: the NFL draft. But after scouting Combine this week, and

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Speaker 2: that's part of your deal, because you are a scout

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Speaker 2: in the National Football League, he's been critiqued saying that

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Speaker 2: his all length isn't long enough. I don't get it.

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Speaker 2: Talk to me about all link. I mean, this guy

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Speaker 2: they say, because he's measured at thirty three and seven

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Speaker 2: at sixty sixty three twenty three, they don't think he's

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Speaker 3: We'll see what happens.

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Speaker 2: Talk to me, how does the all length make that

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Speaker 5: One of the things that you're trying to do when

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Speaker 2: Pardon baseball great Pete Rose, and he criticized Major League

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Speaker 2: I don't see it happening because the pardon right now

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Speaker 3: The conviction on that, right, It's amazing.

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Speaker 2: Pete Rose. How does that happen in this man's mind.

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Speaker 2: I'm impressed. He's got like a list of things on

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Speaker 4: But that's who he's always been.

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Speaker 3: By the name of Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 2: It looks like to me he's groveling and begging for

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Speaker 5: Since I've been in the combine, I've I've had a

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Speaker 4: Could have been headed off with better public relations.

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Speaker 5: As we say, they say, he still can play, he

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Speaker 4: That, a superstar, if you do things right.

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Speaker 5: They still believe that he has some skills to help

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Speaker 2: Okay, Now there's a bit of a connection here because

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Speaker 2: And it's funny because the head coach of the Ram,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure he has pride, and there's

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Speaker 4: And the only way to do it.

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Speaker 5: Is to go out and play well at forty plus.

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Speaker 5: Rodgers certainly can play. He should get another opportunity to

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Speaker 2: to stream us live. And one of the newest features

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Speaker 2: in the app is that you could select Fox Sports

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Speaker 2: Radio as one of your presets, just like the presets

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Speaker 2: on a radio dial. Be sure to preset Fox Sports

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Speaker 2: Radio and the iHeartRadio app and will always pop up

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Speaker 2: at the top of your screen.

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Speaker 3: There we go.

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Speaker 2: You know, I got a question here with this Matthew

449
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Speaker 2: Stafford situation and Matthew Stafford obviously remaining with the Rams,

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Speaker 2: I got a question and it kind of bugs me

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Speaker 2: a little bit. Maybe it's just me, but his wife

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Speaker 2: talks more than he does. I don't hear any quotes

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Speaker 2: about Matthew Stafford. I didn't even hear Matthew Stafford say

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Speaker 2: anything at all about him staying or remaining with the Rams.

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Speaker 2: But I hear Kelly all the time. Now I'm gonna

456
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Speaker 2: say something. I read sports, I follow sports. I never

457
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Speaker 2: hear from missus Lebron James. I never hear from missus

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Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley after he won the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: I don't hear from any.

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Speaker 2: Other quarterbacks better half ever, except for Kelly Stafford. Why

461
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Speaker 2: is she always out there? And why are they quoting her?

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Speaker 2: And Matthews speak up a little bit? Does that bug

463
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Speaker 2: you a little bit too, Bucky?

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Speaker 5: Look, man, I can't tell a man how to handle

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Speaker 5: his situation at home with his partner, and if he

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Speaker 5: opts to have his partner speak up and talk for him.

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Speaker 5: She certainly has a podcast, so she has a platform

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Speaker 5: to be able to do it, and we are at

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Speaker 5: a time where more significant others are speaking out and

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Speaker 5: taking advantages of the opportunities that are afforded to their

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Speaker 5: partners who may be celebrities or athletes and those things

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Speaker 5: to kind of lift up and build their own careers.

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Speaker 4: That's what she has done. But I think for Matthew.

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Speaker 5: Stafford, he probably understands how to manage and help control

475
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Speaker 5: the things that need to be controlled and minimize some

476
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Speaker 5: of the things that can be problematic when he needs to.

477
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Speaker 5: But right now he certainly doesn't feel the need to

478
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Speaker 5: kind of muzzle her when it comes to her opinions

479
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Speaker 5: and takes on his career and the plight of the Rams.

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Speaker 3: You are so politically correct. That's why I love You're

481
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Speaker 3: really and that's great. There we go.

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Speaker 2: But you know, there was a little controversy here with

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Speaker 2: this Matthew Stafford situation because the minority owner of the

484
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Speaker 2: Raiders happens to be Tom Brady, and apparently they claimed

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Speaker 2: they met at a ski resort in Montana. This was

486
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Speaker 2: according to the Las Vegas Review Journal. Now here's the deal.

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Speaker 2: Multiple outlets reporter that the NFL said there was no

488
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Speaker 2: issue because the Rams had granted Stafford permission to speak

489
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Speaker 2: out with other teams, so it wasn't tampering, okay. But

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Speaker 2: there were conflicting reports as to whether Brady and Stafford's

491
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Speaker 2: meeting was formal or just a chance encounter. And from

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports NFL, the Fox Sports NFL instid of Jordan Schultz,

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Speaker 2: he reported that the two met at Brady's home in

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Speaker 2: Montana to discuss joining Las Vegas and the Raiders. However,

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Speaker 2: the network the NFL Networks, Ian Rappaport said, and this

496
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Speaker 2: was like right after that that story came out. They

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Speaker 2: had a chance encounter at a ski resort and did

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Speaker 2: not include extensive talks about Stafford during the Raiders. Who

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Speaker 2: knows Now, I don't know if you were there you

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Speaker 2: saw this happening, but apparently Shultz and Rappaport got into

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Speaker 2: it at the lobby in Indianapolis during the combine. And

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it came the FISTA compsaid, whatever,

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Speaker 2: did you were you there when this happened?

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Speaker 3: Did you hear the buzz about this thing?

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Speaker 5: I certainly heard the buzz about it, but I was

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Speaker 5: not there physically. And I think what's interesting is Jordan

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Speaker 5: Schultz is the son of the founder or one of

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Speaker 5: the founders of Starbucks, Howard Schultz, and for the incident

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Speaker 5: to take place there is ironic, but sometimes these things

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Speaker 5: can be heated. As competitive. As we talk about football

511
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Speaker 5: and sports and what happens on the field, the scoop

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Speaker 5: business is also controversial. So when Jordan Schultz feels like

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Speaker 5: Ian Rapp report undercut his reporting or kind of made

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Speaker 5: his reporting to be like it was not factual, he

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Speaker 5: took a look, he took issue with it, and sometimes

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Speaker 5: those can lead to tense interactions because you know, confrontation

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Speaker 5: and conflict involves a little bit of that.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, these guys who are up there out there

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Speaker 2: and they bang them the payment, then they want to

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Speaker 2: get this story right and a lot of aggressiveness and

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Speaker 2: that's good.

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Speaker 3: I mean, these guys aren't laziest.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I got to mention, we're live from

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Speaker 2: the Tiraq dot Com studios and I'm moving along now

526
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Speaker 2: to the NBA because I'll talk about the Phoenix Suns.

527
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,400
Speaker 2: And you got players on this team. You got Devin Booker,

528
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Speaker 2: you got the players really and truly that are all

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Speaker 2: star players. And there's a good chance the Phoenix Suns

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Speaker 2: won't go to the playoffs this year. Their record right

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Speaker 2: now as we speak, I think it's like twenty eight

532
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Speaker 2: and thirty two. There were eleventh in the West, about

533
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Speaker 2: three and a half games beyond Sacramento Kings for the

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Speaker 2: final playoff spot. And Devin Booker and I love Devin

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Speaker 2: Brooker played for Kentucky. He was asked how the Son's

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Speaker 2: got in this position?

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Speaker 3: Really? What happened?

538
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Speaker 2: I mean really, and truly it shouldn't have been this way.

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Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, this team is better, at least on

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Speaker 2: paper than they should be. And Devin Booker we had

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Speaker 2: some sound. He got it, and he had something to

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Speaker 2: say about what's going on with the Phoenix Sons and

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Speaker 2: the coaching.

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Speaker 3: Devin, maybe he's sleeping, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Probably know it's kicking over the details and you know,

546
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Speaker 5: always taking.

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Speaker 4: Up you know, get it, the next Dame mentality.

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Speaker 5: At some point you gotta draw a line and should

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Speaker 5: have been drawn a long time ago.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 2: It basically said there's gotta be constant communication in the huddles.

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Speaker 3: I get that.

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Speaker 2: And he said that it starts with him and Kevin

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Speaker 2: Durant and Bradley Bild it. You have to believe that

555
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Speaker 2: Kevin Durant and the Devin Booker two all stars, and

556
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Speaker 2: then I could go to the playoffs. But and their coach,

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Speaker 2: Mike Budenholzer. Okay, first of all, his remarks right there

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Speaker 2: are probably going to cause Budenholzer's job.

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Speaker 3: Agreed. I mean he's gonna be fired.

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Speaker 2: They don't make the playoffs, and then you got some

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Speaker 2: internal problem with your star.

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Speaker 3: He's gone. I'm sure he's gonna be gone.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Maybe he should be gone, and if it's what it

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Speaker 5: is reported out to be. But here's what I'll say

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Speaker 5: about Devin Booker. Because you said lack of communication. I

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Speaker 5: don't think that's the lack of communication. I would say

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Speaker 5: that's a lack of accountability. When he talked about we

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Speaker 5: have a next day mentality where we kind of say

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Speaker 5: push it off to the next day, what he's saying is,

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Speaker 5: coach doesn't address the issues that we have right when

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Speaker 5: they pop up. He prefers to kind of sweep it

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Speaker 5: up under the rug and we will deal with it

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Speaker 5: down the road, but never wanting to really deal with

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Speaker 5: it because it does require some conflicts, some confrontation, some

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Speaker 5: demanding and those things to me, that's what he's saying. He'saying,

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Speaker 5: Buttenholzer is not holding everybody accountable. And understand this coming

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Speaker 5: on the heels of this team, or Devin Booker and

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Speaker 5: KD being a part of the gold medal Olympic team

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Speaker 5: and knowing the coaches and those things that have been

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Speaker 5: a part of that. They want to be coach art.

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Speaker 5: Every athlete wants to be coach art. That's worth the salt,

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Speaker 5: and so they just need to get that done. It

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Speaker 5: is something that certainly isn't occurring in Phenix.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's funny. I hear this soul of time. Oh,

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Speaker 2: the modern day athletes a lot different. They got to

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Speaker 2: be handled with kid gloves and things like that. I

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Speaker 2: disagree because I see successful coaches, at least on the

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Speaker 2: college level. I'm not so certain. I don't follow the

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00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 2: NBA that much from a distance. I do, but I

591
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 2: look at guys like at UCLA, Mick Cronin, they were

592
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Speaker 2: slumping the UCLA Bruins early on.

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Speaker 3: He got in the face of these players. They're playing basketball.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: I lost yesterday, but still in all he did it,

596
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Speaker 2: and he got from good teachers. He was on the

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Speaker 2: bench with Rick Patino. He learned from Bob Huggins, and

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Speaker 2: those guys are successful coaches, the Hall of Fame coaches,

599
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Speaker 2: and I see that. I see that happening now. So

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Speaker 2: I think that athletes are athletes all over. I don't

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Speaker 2: care how much money they make. They want to be pushed,

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Speaker 2: They want to be the best, and you need to

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Speaker 2: have a leader that could get them there.

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Speaker 3: And look, this is what Booker said.

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Speaker 2: I'd rather two people say the wrong thing to each

606
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Speaker 2: other out there, that nobody talking there at all, and

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Speaker 2: leave the gray area. This is what Booker said. So

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Speaker 2: it's like any job or any group check that you do,

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Speaker 2: you have to do it together. These guys want to win,

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Speaker 2: and there's got to be a way and a meaning,

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Speaker 2: a connection between the coaching staff and the players.

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Speaker 3: And it's not happening right now.

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Speaker 2: However, there's a kind of a hitch in this story

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Speaker 2: because apparently Friday, Chris Haynes reported that budenholds A, the

615
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 2: coach of the Suns, told Booker to be less vocal.

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Speaker 2: Maybe Booker's talking too much. There's a problem out there

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Speaker 2: in Phoenix, and that team shouldn't be twenty eight and

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Speaker 2: thirty two.

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Speaker 5: I mean Obviously there is a problem in Phoenix, and

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Speaker 5: I am a little concerned that they're not able to

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Speaker 5: get on the same page that they're airing their a

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Speaker 5: grievances out in public conception for the rest of us

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Speaker 5: to know what's going on, as opposed to kind of

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Speaker 5: handle it behind closed doors. But obviously, look, Devin Booker

625
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Speaker 5: wants to win, Budenholzer wants to win. They have to

626
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Speaker 5: figure out the best way to get on the same

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Speaker 5: page to be able to win and win at the

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Speaker 5: highest level. But it certainly isn't going the way that

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Speaker 5: it needs to go for a team that should have

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Speaker 5: been one of the better teams.

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Speaker 4: In the league.

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Speaker 2: Right you know, it's almost a good thing if you're

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Speaker 2: a fan of the Phoenix Suns, because teams that are

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Speaker 2: looking to get into the playoffs and not going to

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Speaker 2: get to the playoff, you don't hear any noise out

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Speaker 2: of them. You know, at least this team right now,

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Speaker 2: and they're three and a half games right now, I

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Speaker 2: think behind the Sacramento Kings to try to get that

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Speaker 2: list playoffs, but the play in situation at tournament, you know,

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Speaker 2: at least there's a caring factor. Other teams that are

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00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 2: buried out there, but they don't see the care because

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00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 2: I don't hear any noise coming from them. So I

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00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 2: think this could be somewhat of a positive. Maybe things

644
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 2: can turn around. There's still some time.

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Speaker 5: I mean, there's still plenty of time, and you hope

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Speaker 5: that those things can turn around. But you certainly don't like.

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00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 5: You don't like what's going on. You don't like that

648
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Speaker 5: it hasn't been handled to this degree, to this point.

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Speaker 3: It could be worse. It could be worse. You could

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Speaker 3: have somebody's playing and say I want to get out

651
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Speaker 3: of here, I want to be traded. It could be worse.

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Speaker 3: So you're not hearing that.

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Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, certainly it could be worse. But it look,

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Speaker 5: it's just not ideal.

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Speaker 2: It is not ideal, you know, it's not ideal. NFL

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Speaker 2: players playing on artificial turf. The age old question is

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Speaker 2: coming up again, coming up right now because of the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six feet of World Cup in soccer. Be

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Speaker 2: the moments for the NFL Players Association. They want to

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Speaker 2: kind of gain ground and the grass versus turf playing

661
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Speaker 2: surface debate. This thing will never go away as long

662
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Speaker 2: as there's injuries in the National Football League did this problem? Turf, grass, whatever,

663
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Speaker 2: will never go away. And obviously, with the interest in

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Speaker 2: playing more international games, they're playing these games on soccer pitches,

665
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Speaker 2: which is grass. Really, that's the problem right there, right

666
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Speaker 2: And you got to tell me what is the difference

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Speaker 2: you played the game?

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Speaker 3: Is there a major difference? Is to make that much

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Speaker 3: of a difference? Are there more injuries?

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Speaker 2: Have they done studies the fact that they play on

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Speaker 2: turf rather than grass.

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Speaker 5: There are plenty of studies that have done and they

673
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Speaker 5: normally show that grass is the safer option. But grass,

674
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Speaker 5: from an owner standpoint, is more expensive. You have to

675
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Speaker 5: repair it, and you want to think about it beyond football.

676
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Speaker 5: If you are a stadium that has concerts and all

677
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Speaker 5: different types of things that you're using for the stadium,

678
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 5: grass is not ideal. And it's not ideal because the

679
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Speaker 5: change of buility and maintaining it and all that stuff.

680
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Speaker 5: Whereas turf you can slide things on and off of

681
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Speaker 5: it without damaging the turf. That's why owners don't typically

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Speaker 5: like to deal with it. Even though it's safer for

683
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Speaker 5: the players, it's more expensive, and you know, whenever there's

684
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Speaker 5: money involved, some owners always tend to take the cheap route, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Half of the league's thirty stadiums use our artificial turf,

687
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Speaker 2: and it varies. Obviously, there's different kinds obviously between each

688
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Speaker 2: stadium right there. But there's six stadiums in the NFL Atlanta, Boston, Dallas, Houston, LA,

689
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Speaker 2: and New Jersey. They will temporarily install natural grass services

690
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Speaker 2: ahead of hosting matches during the World Cup. So obviously

691
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Speaker 2: the NFL PA, I would think they're going to vote

692
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Speaker 2: on this, but they're gonna say, you're going to put

693
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Speaker 2: in their grass for the soccer matches for the World

694
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Speaker 2: Cup and for our NFL games and we'll have maybe

695
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Speaker 2: seven or eight a year in the stadium. You can't

696
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Speaker 2: put gress in there for our guys that are really

697
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 2: and truly uh, you know, big time athletes getting paid

698
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Speaker 2: big money, and our fans want.

699
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Speaker 3: To see them and they don't want to see them.

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Speaker 4: Hurts.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's something to be said, you know,

702
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Speaker 5: Like the fans really want to see the best players,

703
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Speaker 5: and owners want to see their best players, but there

704
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Speaker 5: is a cost that comes with that, and everyone is

705
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Speaker 5: not willing to pay the cost. And we'll soon find

706
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Speaker 5: out that everybody's not in this to compete at.

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Speaker 4: The highest level.

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Speaker 5: And if you're any to compete at the highest level,

709
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Speaker 5: then you don't mind paying whatever you need to pay.

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Speaker 4: To do it.

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Speaker 3: That's unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: I mean when you say that, not everybody's there to

713
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Speaker 2: compete at the highest level, what do you mean by that?

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Speaker 3: What does that mean? I mean own?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, everybody's not. Everyone's not pursuing the same thing.

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Speaker 5: There's certain things that need to be done to play

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Speaker 5: at a high level, and some of that comes to

718
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Speaker 5: spending money on players, not just salaries, but spending money

719
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Speaker 5: on your facility, spending money on food, spending money on

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Speaker 5: proper treatment, and all that other stuff.

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Speaker 4: Owners have to be willing to do that. You just

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Speaker 4: saw the reaction of the.

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Speaker 5: NFLPA survey where players anonymoately anonymously submitted grades of their

724
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Speaker 5: own organizations, and you saw some of the scathing feedback

725
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Speaker 5: that some of these organizations received for their lack of

726
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Speaker 5: family treatment, dining hall, training staff, strength, staff, all of

727
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 5: those things. Yeah, if you want to be a first

728
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Speaker 5: class organization, you got to roll out the red carpet

729
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Speaker 5: to make sure that your players have everything they need.

730
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Speaker 5: Then you can hold them to a high level of

731
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Speaker 5: accountability based on saying I've given you everything that a

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Speaker 5: championship team could have.

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Speaker 4: You need to now put up those results or I

734
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Speaker 4: need to find better players.

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Speaker 2: I think you pointed a finger at Cincinnati PILs in

736
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Speaker 2: that study. In that survey, they were complaining about the food,

737
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 2: they were complaining about the showers, the locker room. It

738
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Speaker 2: was amazing, it really was. I couldn't believe it. Plus,

739
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 2: they have the least amount of the scouts of any team

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Speaker 2: in the National Football League. So I'm not saying they

741
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Speaker 2: don't want to win, but they want to win on

742
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Speaker 2: a tight, small budget.

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Speaker 3: That's what they want to do.

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Speaker 2: But it certainly looks like the picture being presented to

745
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 2: the public right now looks like they don't want to

746
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Speaker 2: win because they're not doing what other teams do to win.

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Speaker 5: I mean, yes, that is some of that, but they're

748
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 5: not alone and that there's some other teams that refuse

749
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 5: to fully open up the wallet to give themselves a

750
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Speaker 5: be the best chance to win. And sometimes you have

751
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Speaker 5: to win in spite of those things. But it makes

752
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 5: it really really difficult when you don't feel like everyone

753
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Speaker 5: is pouring in to give you the best chance to win.

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Speaker 4: There you go.

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Speaker 3: He's Bucket Brooks.

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Speaker 4: He's a winner.

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Speaker 2: I'm Andy Furmanwiell Fox Sports Sunday on Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 2: and Bucket Brooks has all your answers coming up next.

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

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762
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Speaker 3: Ask Bucky right around the bend. That's Bucket Brooks.

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Speaker 2: I'm Andy Furmanwihell, Fox Sports Sunday and Fox It's ready

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Speaker 2: and we're live from the Ti Rock dot Com studios.

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Speaker 3: And of course it is that time. Let's do it.

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Speaker 3: Ask Bucket? What about eleven minutes before the top of

768
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Speaker 3: the hour? All right?

769
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Speaker 2: Spotting the football became a hot topic during the playoffs.

770
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 2: Why after the Bills quarterback Josh Allen fell inches short

771
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Speaker 2: of converting a crucial fourth down against the Kansas City

772
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Speaker 2: Chiefs That was in the AFC Championship game. And there's

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Speaker 2: going to be new Hawkeye technology for first down starting

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five. The chain gang, if needed, will

775
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Speaker 2: remain on the sidelines. The hope is that the new

776
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Speaker 2: first down technology will lead to quicker and more efficient

777
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Speaker 2: calls your thoughts about this, mister Brooks.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I understand using technology, but there's something nostalgic

779
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Speaker 5: to me about the chain game. I understand you want

780
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Speaker 5: to make sure that you get it right, but look,

781
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Speaker 5: I just always think part of football is being able

782
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Speaker 5: to look over the sideline and see in the.

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Speaker 2: Chain game eliminating jobs that they're going to be doing.

784
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Speaker 2: I mean, do you know anything about how much these

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Speaker 2: guys get pay the chain gang? And are they hired

786
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 2: by the NFL or the local club?

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Speaker 4: No? That I don't know. I wish I could help you.

788
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 4: I don't know anything about it.

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Speaker 2: I would think the high by the NFL because I

790
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 2: think they wear NFL garb on the sidelines, so I

791
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 2: think they get paid by the NFL.

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Speaker 3: Whatever it may be, Okay, we move on.

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Speaker 2: The nc DOUBLEA Football Rules Committee proposed modifications to injury

794
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Speaker 2: timeout rules during the twenty five to twenty six season

795
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Speaker 2: in an effort to curtail forty injuries that slow the

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Speaker 2: tempo of a game, and some of the changes would

797
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 2: be an automatic timeout assessed to teams that have medical

798
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 2: personnel enter the field to play after the ball has

799
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Speaker 2: been spotted by officials. Now, if the offending team is

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Speaker 2: out of timeouts, it will be assessed a five yard

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Speaker 2: delay of game.

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Speaker 3: All right, but this rule silets to.

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Speaker 2: Be approved by the NCUBLEA Playing Rules Oversight Panel, and

804
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Speaker 2: they're going to meet April sixteenth. What do you think

805
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 2: about this? Is there a lot of those forty injuries?

806
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Speaker 2: Is there enough to change these rules?

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Speaker 5: I mean, they've always tried to do something to eliminate

808
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Speaker 5: defenses slowing down high tempo offenses with injuries that they

809
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 5: deem to be fake or not significant. This is trying

810
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 5: to level the playing field, making sure that defensive opponents

811
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Speaker 5: aren't taking advantage. Brett Bilma and Shane Beemer got into

812
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Speaker 5: it during a bowl game this year over such things.

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Speaker 4: They're trying to clean that up to keep some of

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Speaker 4: this stuff from happening.

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Speaker 2: So why wouldn't the nc DOUBLEA do something with the

816
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 2: basketball situation, with the flop that they do for offensive

817
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 2: foul goals?

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Speaker 3: I don't think they do anything for that that That

819
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Speaker 3: must be enough.

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Speaker 5: Must not have enough coaches and people talking about it

821
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 5: to create that you know, hey, we need to go

822
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Speaker 5: address this or talk about this and make sure we

823
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Speaker 5: get this squared away, et cetera.

824
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Speaker 4: Et cetera.

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Speaker 2: All right, Speaking of basketball, the NCUBA Basketball Committee plans

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Speaker 2: no expansion for March Madness.

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Speaker 3: Your thoughts about that.

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Speaker 4: Everybody gain't go to the party.

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Speaker 5: I mean, they have enough teams already, they don't need

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Speaker 5: to expand it. At some point, you want to make

831
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Speaker 5: it a bit of an exclusive club. That's part of

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Speaker 5: the entry. If you wanted the regular season to matter,

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Speaker 5: you have to cut off. You got to cut off

834
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Speaker 5: the number at some point. And look, I think sixty

835
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Speaker 5: eight or whatever it is.

836
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Speaker 4: Is good number.

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Speaker 3: All right.

838
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Speaker 2: Last night the Golden State Warriors were playing basketball and

839
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Speaker 2: Stefan Burry, I said, so, Steph was excuse me, Steph Curry,

840
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Speaker 2: not Burry. Steph Curry had his first.

841
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Speaker 3: Slam dunk since twenty nineteen, and he said it's his

842
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Speaker 3: last dunk. Are you surprised about that? Because you know,

843
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 3: he's one of those guys that really is not a showman,

844
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Speaker 3: which I respect for that. But I used to come

845
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 3: in on breakaways just lay the ball in. So why

846
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Speaker 3: all of a sudden now with a dunk, and why

847
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 3: would he dunk not dunk all these years? Last one

848
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 3: was in twenty nineteen.

849
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Speaker 5: Maybe he had a little bit maybe he was getting

850
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Speaker 5: rads in the locker room about all of his layups,

851
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 5: and so you wanted to prove to them to hey, look,

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00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 5: I still a guy it if I need it, it's

853
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 5: still in my bag, but it's not one of the

854
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 5: things that he focuses on. And now that I've proven

855
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 5: to you that I still can dunk, yeah, I'm gonna

856
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Speaker 5: go back to my old life. I'm shue jumpers, set

857
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 5: shots and layups and leave that other stuff to the

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Speaker 5: other guys.

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Speaker 2: All right, I want to go back to this, Rob

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Speaker 2: Man for reviewing the bit to reinstate Pete Rose. What's

861
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Speaker 2: your take on that and what are the percentages in

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Speaker 2: your mind to think that Pete Rose will be reinstated,

863
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Speaker 2: maybe even get into the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 5: My real take on it is, I think some of

865
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 5: this is political pressure on the commissioner to open up

866
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 5: the thing and look at Pete Rose. No one wants

867
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Speaker 5: to deal with the president not coming down on their side.

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00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 5: So I think Manfred is going to review it, and

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Speaker 5: I think ultimately they're going to set a situation up

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Speaker 5: where Pete Rose can get to the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 5: He is a Hall of Fame player. Between the lines

872
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Speaker 5: and a lot of times we use morality things to

873
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Speaker 5: keep people out. And I feel about Pete Rose the

874
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 5: same way I feel about Barry Bonds and Roger Clements.

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Speaker 5: You cannot tell the history of the game without discuss

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Speaker 5: those three people.

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Speaker 2: Well said, Okay, that'll wrap up our addition of ass

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Speaker 2: Bucky right now, got so much more. We've got two

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896
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 2: the fact that he's giving women's basketball scores on the

897
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 2: college level USC of UCLA, Juju Watkins getting out there.

898
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 2: You know, I'm impressed. I'm amazed. I'm happy to hear that, really,

899
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 2: because they've come a long way. And whoever thunk that

900
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,240
Speaker 2: you could turn on the TV set on a Friday

901
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 2: or Saturday night prime time and watch women's college basketball.

902
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 2: If someone told me that three four years ago, I've

903
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 2: left in their face. Really, but that's what it's at.

904
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 2: And I think it's great.

905
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 3: I really do. I think it's great. I think it's

906
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 3: a great game. I really do.

907
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 2: Here's the problem though, in the market where I live in,

908
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 2: and the University of Cincinnati women's team will probably go postseason.

909
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 2: They've got a pretty good team. You have to find

910
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 2: them with a microscope to get coverage.

911
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 3: No highlights on TV, no stories in the press. I

912
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 3: don't get.

913
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 2: And Xavier, I know, Zavier University, the other Division I

914
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 2: school in our marketplace, not a great season this year,

915
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 2: something like seven and eighteen, whatever it may be. But

916
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,720
Speaker 2: still in all, they deserve coverage. They deserve the coverage,

917
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 2: so I don't understand why they're not getting any. I

918
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,919
Speaker 2: think that's got to come from the school. I don't

919
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 2: think that comes so much from the outlet as much

920
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 2: as the school's got to bang the door down a

921
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 2: little bit. But I think it's just great seeing these

922
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 2: women's games getting prime time coverage.

923
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 3: I'm amazed, I really am you.

924
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 5: I've always been a fan of the women's game. I'm

925
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 5: excited that it's been a bit of an explosion. Some

926
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 5: of that has happened as we've become more familiar with

927
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 5: the stars. I'll say this, Kaylyn Clark and her class

928
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 5: has certainly taken the game to another level. The generation

929
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 5: of stars that are coming right behind them. You talk

930
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 5: about ju Ju Watkins who plays for USC, Paige Bukers,

931
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 5: who's up at Yukon. The great ladies that are playing

932
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 5: at South Carolina, and the coaches that have been very

933
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 5: vocal advocates of the game have led us to spend

934
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 5: more time watching the game. TV has provided us with

935
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 5: more access and outlets, and all of that has been

936
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 5: really really positive to kind of see young ladies get

937
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 5: some of the same opportunities that guys have gotten on

938
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 5: the bigger state for the.

939
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 4: Longest time, but there's still more work to be done.

940
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 5: I just think that when you watch the women's game, one,

941
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 5: you can't compare the women's game to the men's game

942
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:10,439
Speaker 5: in terms of all I want to see hogh flying

943
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 5: dunks or whatever. But there is a great appreciation for

944
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 5: some of the purity that exists in the women's game,

945
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 5: the passing, the lack of isolation stuff.

946
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 4: There appears to be a.

947
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 5: Greatest sense of team when you watch the ladies play,

948
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 5: and for traditionalists, purists, that is refreshing, and I.

949
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 4: Think that's why you're getting some of the bump. And

950
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 4: you're also.

951
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 5: Getting some fantastic players that are expiring some young women,

952
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 5: young girls in look elementary, middle school, high school, to

953
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 5: play the game.

954
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 4: All of it has led to a better product on

955
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 4: the floor.

956
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 2: No doubt about that. Now you mentioned Kaitlyn Clock and

957
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 2: I would say this, what she had done by playing

958
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 2: in the college game is open the door and showing

959
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 2: us the public what the women's game is all about.

960
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 2: Because she was doing so good and did so much,

961
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 2: we say, well, what is doing Let's take a look.

962
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 2: But if the game was not stable, if the game

963
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 2: was not popular, if the game was not attractive enough

964
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 2: to the public. It wouldn't make a difference if Caitlin

965
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 2: Clark had great records or not, because the game was

966
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 2: able to sell through her opening the door. And also

967
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 2: they had a great situation because you need a villain

968
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 2: in professional sports, I don't care what the sport is,

969
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 2: and they had one because it was Angel Reeves versus

970
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark. You know, back in the day when the

971
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 2: NBA was doing their playoffs on tape delay, they had

972
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 2: magic and byrd they had the villain and the hero.

973
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 2: Whoever you want to make the villain and hero in

974
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 2: that situation. But that's the way it is in the

975
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 2: NBA right now. Lebron James love him, I hate him.

976
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 2: He's somewhat of the villain. I think you have to

977
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: have a villain and teams. Teams are villains.

978
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 3: Back in the day, when the Yankees dominated baseball, they

979
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 3: were a villain.

980
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 2: People came out to boo him. The Boston Celtics were

981
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 2: a villain. That's the way it is this year. I

982
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 2: think the Kansas City Chiefs basically where the villain. In

983
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,879
Speaker 2: the NFL, people wanted to see them lose. They were

984
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 2: tired of them.

985
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 3: The way it is, that.

986
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 4: Is the way it is.

987
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 5: People do get tired of seeing certain teams always participating,

988
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 5: always around the mix, always kind of doing things. And

989
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 5: it is better when you have rivals rivalries bring about

990
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 5: I would say, like some feelings, emotions, some we talked about, confrontation,

991
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 5: some of those things, like all of that is in play,

992
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 5: and it certainly makes it a more entertaining thing because

993
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 5: you have to fall on one side of the debate.

994
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 5: You know, you get guys bad guys. However it deemed

995
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 5: to be. But it makes it more compelling when you're

996
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 5: watching the games if these teams have a healthy distaste

997
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 5: for one another.

998
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 2: Okay, In the National Football League, I mentioned the Kansas

999
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,280
Speaker 2: City Chiefs with a villain. I think that the Philadelphia Eagles,

1000
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 2: if they're not the villain, they're pretty close to it.

1001
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 2: And one of the reasons being is the Toush push.

1002
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: And that as a band trying to stop the Toush push. Okay,

1003
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 2: I believe, and help me out here, I think to

1004
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 2: run the play, you have that quarterback Jalen Hurt. He

1005
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 2: takes the snap, he goes forward with his big fat

1006
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 2: offensive line pushing him, and the running back sae Quon

1007
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 2: Barkland is tight end. They push him from behind to

1008
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 2: get him over the goal. Is that basically what the

1009
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 2: twush push is?

1010
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, like some people say, it's a combination

1011
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 5: of the old quarterback sneak with a little bit of

1012
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 5: rugby mixed in and those things. The problem that I

1013
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 5: have with people trying to ban it is just because

1014
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 5: the Eagles have perfected it doesn't mean that it's a hazard.

1015
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 5: There are other teams who have had the opportunity to

1016
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 5: use their form of toush push and they haven't done

1017
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 5: it as successfully. You cannot legislate out great execution by

1018
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 5: some teams. To me, that would be unfair to the

1019
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 5: Philadelphia Eagles. Teams got to find a way to stop it,

1020
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 5: and when they stop it, then they'll quit using it.

1021
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 5: But right now, why ban it? Why take away something that,

1022
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 5: to me, look, I think is tremendous. I think there's

1023
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 5: an excitement in Philly when they get into the don't

1024
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 5: take it away from their fans.

1025
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 2: There's no doubt about that. It's just the whining and

1026
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 2: the crying. In other words, we can't do it, so

1027
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 2: we don't want you to do it. That's basically it.

1028
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 2: But why is it so successful?

1029
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 5: I mean it's hard. I mean you're just talking about

1030
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 5: a team that is really perfected low leverage. You have

1031
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 5: a strong quarterback and Jadenhurst, who's a former powerlifter coming

1032
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 5: up through the ranks.

1033
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 4: You have Sakwon Barktey who's strong.

1034
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 5: Right behind him, and then you have a massive offensive

1035
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 5: line that has mastered the technique. To me, it's a

1036
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 5: combination of players and scheme that make it work.

1037
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 3: It's amazing because I got the statistic here for you.

1038
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 2: Since the start of twenty twenty two, the Philadelphia Eagles

1039
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 2: have converted ninety eight quarterback sneaks of two yards or

1040
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 2: less into first downs or touchdowns.

1041
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 3: That's more than.

1042
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 2: Five times the average of the rest of the league.

1043
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 3: This is according to stats. It's amazing, it really is.

1044
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 2: So Now you got the rest of the teams in

1045
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 2: the league complaining saying, oh, it's not safe, it's not safe.

1046
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 2: Now you know, there really isn't anything that's particularly safe

1047
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 2: when you play football, right, I mean, what what is

1048
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 2: safe playing in the National foll You played? Nothing's saying

1049
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 2: you could be gone on any single play really.

1050
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't. I don't understand what. Yeah,

1051
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 5: I don't understand what the big deal is. But I

1052
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 5: think I think there's certainly some things where people are

1053
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 5: being babies when it comes to it, and that's part

1054
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 5: of the league, Like you have some of that, like

1055
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 5: when things are going your way, you wind can playing

1056
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,240
Speaker 5: try and get an overturned so you can be better.

1057
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 5: I would say that people have had plenty of opportunity

1058
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 5: to study what the Eagles do, and they have to

1059
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 5: be better at facing that.

1060
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 4: That is a part of who they are.

1061
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 5: So you need to spend more time in your off

1062
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 5: season crafting the planet, more time in your training camps

1063
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 5: and practices executing that plan on how to stop that play.

1064
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 2: Right, And now they've got this clown for the National

1065
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 2: Football League Office, the executive vice president who oversees health

1066
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 2: and safety, but Anima Jeff He says the league hasn't

1067
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 2: been able to determine whether the relatively new play is

1068
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 2: more dangerous than others because it hasn't been run that

1069
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 2: often or often enough to produce significant data. All right,

1070
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 2: but there's people within the game and within the league

1071
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 2: maintain that it leads to more guys getting hurt, since

1072
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 2: the tush push often resembles something more commonly seen on

1073
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,280
Speaker 2: a rugby pitch than a football field. Come on, really,

1074
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 2: I mean you're whining because you can't get it done

1075
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 2: and you can't do it so you don't want anybody

1076
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 2: else to do it, and the Eagles having a lot

1077
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:32,720
Speaker 2: of success.

1078
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 3: But you know what, I'm happy the Eagles do it.

1079
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 3: I'll tell you why.

1080
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 2: They couldn't have picked a better coach who is more

1081
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 2: flamboyant and has a quick temper than Nick Siriani, who

1082
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 2: had a response to this, Nick, what do you have

1083
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 2: to say about everybody against your tush push?

1084
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 6: I almost feel a little insulted because we work so

1085
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,959
Speaker 6: hard at that play, the amount of things that we've

1086
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 6: looked into how to coach that play. The fundamentals is

1087
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 6: not play that it's easy to practice. There's different ways

1088
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 6: we figured out how to practice it.

1089
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 2: I love it, I mean really and truly he probably does.

1090
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 2: But really, could other teams be as successful? I mean,

1091
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,280
Speaker 2: what do you need to have a successful toush push?

1092
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 3: That's crazy, I know.

1093
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 2: I mean, could they do it with a quarterback like

1094
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 2: Josh Allen? Could the Buffalo Bills do a toush push.

1095
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,720
Speaker 4: Josh Allen is good enough to do their own variation

1096
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 4: of it.

1097
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 5: The reason why so hard for teams to match what

1098
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 5: Philly does is they spend a lot of time doing it.

1099
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 5: They're committed to it, they believe in it, which leads

1100
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 5: to players to believe in it, and they've had a

1101
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 5: lot of success, but only strengthens that belief in the play.

1102
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 5: But you need to have a strong offensive line that

1103
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 5: is willing to do it. Do you get to get

1104
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 5: in their four point stands like we've seen these guys

1105
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,280
Speaker 5: get into the stands. You have to have a quarterback

1106
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 5: that is willing and able to do the dirty work

1107
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 5: inside because it's not just taking a snap and just.

1108
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 4: Plowing your way through. There's a nuance to it that

1109
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 4: Jalen her exhibits, and.

1110
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 5: Then it takes everybody else doing their job, say Korn

1111
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 5: Barkley with the push behind the wide receivers kind of

1112
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 5: getting up in there doing some stuff. It's a well

1113
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 5: coordinated deal, and people that are trying to take it

1114
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 5: and practice it for half a day and think they're

1115
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 5: going to execute it to the level that the Eagles

1116
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 5: are doing it, they're fooling themselves.

1117
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 4: It's a great play man.

1118
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 5: They found the cheat code, and I'm not saying that

1119
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 5: people should put a you know, kind of block the loophole.

1120
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 4: Look, I love it.

1121
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 3: It's not cheating. It's part of the game. It's creativity.

1122
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 3: It really is. And I think that if other.

1123
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 2: Teams draft offensive lineman that weigh three hundred and fifty

1124
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 2: pounds or more, maybe they could get it done as well.

1125
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 2: That's basically what the Eagles have. They got a six

1126
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 2: foot six, six foot seven guy who was waiting, he

1127
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 2: was on the Jets. He weighed four to twenty. He

1128
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 2: came down there to like three sixty. So I mean,

1129
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 2: you get the big offensive lineman and you're a strong

1130
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 2: quarterback on your push.

1131
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 3: That's basically what it is.

1132
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 2: I don't get it, and I'm happy Nick Siriani is

1133
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,919
Speaker 2: not taking this sitting down on his tush. He really

1134
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 2: he'll fight this because I don't think the league's going

1135
00:51:59,239 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 2: to eliminate it.

1136
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 4: You No, they shouldn't eliminate it. I don't think they will.

1137
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 5: And this is some data that comes up that says

1138
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 5: that people are getting hurt at an alarming rate.

1139
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 4: We haven't seen that. I don't I don't see the

1140
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 4: need to.

1141
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 5: Get rid of it. Like tough cookie. If you can't

1142
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,280
Speaker 5: stop it, you got to figure out how to stop.

1143
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 2: Right, figure out how to stop it. I mean, don't

1144
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 2: eliminate it because you can't stop it. It's a great

1145
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:20,959
Speaker 2: part of the game.

1146
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 3: Now.

1147
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 2: I'm sure they did this back in the day, you know,

1148
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 2: but they didn't have these terms I push push and

1149
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 2: everybody was so you know, infatuated with it, and social

1150
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 2: media had it. I'm sure back in the sixties they

1151
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 2: did something like this with gold lighte stands with big

1152
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 2: backs and things like that, because they had big fullbacks

1153
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:38,919
Speaker 2: back in the day and they could do it right.

1154
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 2: And they don't have it any longer. They don't have.

1155
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 2: The fullback basically is eliminated. There's no more fullbacks in

1156
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 2: the National Football League. But since twenty twenty two, Jalen

1157
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 2: Hurts has rushed for forty two touchdowns, two thirds of

1158
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 2: those touchdowns twenty eight from the one yard line, including

1159
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 2: eleven from the one yard line in each of the

1160
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 2: past two seasons. In that period, right now, the philadelph

1161
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 2: the Eagles have consistently been at one near the top

1162
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 2: of the league and converting third and fourth downs, never

1163
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 2: executing worse to get this forty one percent on third

1164
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 2: downs or sixty eight percent of fourth that's pretty down good.

1165
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 2: That's pretty dwn good. But you got the personnel. That's

1166
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 2: basically what it's all out. If you get the personnel,

1167
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 2: you get it done.

1168
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, they do have the personnel in place to be

1169
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 5: able to get it done.

1170
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 4: I think there.

1171
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 5: Should be a great appreciation for what they've been able

1172
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 5: to do. When it comes to their play. The play

1173
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 5: has been great for them. They've been able to do it.

1174
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 5: They get the right quarterback, which really makes it difficult

1175
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 5: because he's so good at finding those cracks and crevices

1176
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 5: needed to get those yards right.

1177
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,280
Speaker 2: And speaking of personnel, I don't think anybody was surprised

1178
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,399
Speaker 2: when Travis Kelcey came out, so he's going to play

1179
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five and he said it on TV.

1180
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:52,839
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it's really difficult. I think if

1181
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 2: you're a publicity guy. I go back to that because

1182
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 2: says by Roots, if you're a publicity guy of a

1183
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 2: ball club and you really were set to send out

1184
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 2: the release of a signing or your team is going

1185
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 2: to retain a guy or guys that have come back

1186
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 2: and play. It's hard to do that when a guy

1187
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 2: opens his mouth on a media network. I mean, what

1188
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 2: do you do. I mean, that's what he did. That's

1189
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:15,439
Speaker 2: what Travis Kelsey did. But I'm glad what he did

1190
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:19,359
Speaker 2: because he said leaving the way he did last year

1191
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 2: left a bad taste in his mouth. And as soon

1192
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 2: as I heard that initially, you know, it came to

1193
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 2: my mind, Aaron Rodgers. How come Aaron Rodgers didn't say

1194
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 2: I want to come back and play this year in

1195
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five because last year left a bad taste

1196
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 2: in my mouth. I mean, really, it's just two different guys, Travis.

1197
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 2: I never met Aaron Rodgers. He may be the nicest

1198
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 2: guy in the world. And you told me the combine

1199
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:47,720
Speaker 2: people were playing on the Jess. He's a good teammate.

1200
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 2: Whatever it might be, he could play whatever. I get it, okay,

1201
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 2: but certain things that have to be said. Instead of

1202
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 2: talking about vaccinations or don't be vaccinated, tell me that

1203
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 2: it left a bad taste in your mouth. He want

1204
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 2: to come back and come back strong. I mean, Travis

1205
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 2: Kelsey said he's going to come back in the best shape.

1206
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 3: Of his life.

1207
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 2: If you're a fan of the chiefs, if you're a

1208
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 2: teammate of his. If you're a coach, you feel great

1209
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 2: when one of your players says that.

1210
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, now you feel outstanding when your players come back.

1211
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 5: But I won't hold Aaron Rodgers to that same standard.

1212
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 5: Some people choose to express and engage with the public

1213
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 5: when it comes to telling their plans, and some people

1214
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 5: are more private. I respect Aaron rodgers right to privacy

1215
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:33,280
Speaker 5: when it comes to disclosing his intentions for his future

1216
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 5: and those things. As it relates to Travis Kelsey, yeah,

1217
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,760
Speaker 5: it's great that he's coming back. He's a descending player,

1218
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 5: meaning that his game is certainly on the decline. But

1219
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 5: obviously the league loves seeing him and his lady Taylor

1220
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 5: Swift at all the games and all that, and hopefully

1221
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 5: they are it would have maintained a relationship and it

1222
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 5: continues to be the spectacle that has been for a

1223
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 5: team that has been one of the dominant teams that

1224
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 5: we've seen in recent years. This is all fun. Look,

1225
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:01,760
Speaker 5: I don't see a downside to it. I'm glad Travis

1226
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 5: Kelcey is coming back. I hope he finds the piece

1227
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 5: that he's looking for by coming back to the game.

1228
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 2: Okay, I got to take you to task on this

1229
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 2: because you said that you respect Aaron Rodgers privacy. I

1230
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 2: respect everybody's privacy. You know, if you don't want to talk,

1231
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 2: you don't talk. But he picks and chooses when he

1232
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 2: wants to talk.

1233
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 3: I mean, we learned that he was living in a

1234
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 3: hut with no electricity a year ago. That we learned,

1235
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 3: we learned that he was anti vax That that's okay.

1236
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 2: You could talk about everything and anything, and when it

1237
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 2: comes to you know, playing in the National Football League,

1238
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 2: if I'm a teammate, if I'm a potential teammate of his,

1239
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 2: if I'm playing for the New York Football Giants and

1240
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 2: I hear that my team is kind of looking to

1241
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 2: sign this guy, and I know everything about his background.

1242
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 2: I've never met the guy. I don't want him on

1243
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,439
Speaker 2: my team. I don't want him there. I mean, he's

1244
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 2: more concerned with political situations, vaccinations, you know, living in

1245
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 2: a hut, whatever it may be, instead of talking to me,

1246
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 2: Like Travis Kelsey, I love the game. I didn't play well.

1247
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 2: I have a bit taste in my mouth. I'm gonna

1248
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 2: work out, come back the best shape of my life.

1249
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 2: Say that Aaron say if you don't even don't mean it,

1250
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 2: just say that because you're going to be my teammate

1251
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 2: and all I know about you right now is the

1252
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 2: fact that you're a bit of a weirdo.

1253
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I'm not see I'm against that. I want

1254
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 4: him to be authentic.

1255
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 5: So if he doesn't feel compelled to say that, I

1256
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 5: don't want him to say it just to make me

1257
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 5: feel better.

1258
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 4: What I want to do is I want to take

1259
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 4: him for who he is.

1260
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 5: And if he's uncomfortable saying that publicly to us, but

1261
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 5: he says it privately to his teammates.

1262
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 4: Cool. Most locker rooms.

1263
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 5: Are about, like, look, you living out your life the

1264
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 5: way that you see fit, just doing it within the

1265
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 5: team confines, and so you have different types of personalities,

1266
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 5: different types of people, all those other things within the

1267
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 5: locker room, and people respect Aaron for who he is

1268
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 5: as a player in those things. I don't think he

1269
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 5: needs to go on a pr campaign to do it,

1270
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 5: because that's not really who he is. I just wanted

1271
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 5: to be who he is within the confines of being

1272
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 5: a good teammate.

1273
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 3: Now, I'm with you.

1274
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 2: And look, if he had a locker next to mine

1275
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 2: in New York on the Giants, and he busted his

1276
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 2: butt and he played well and he helped us win.

1277
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 2: And he was a great leader in the locker room.

1278
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 2: And even though he was an anti vaxxer, maybe I

1279
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 2: was not. Maybe he voted for X and I voted

1280
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 2: for Y and we're going different directions. That's that's fine.

1281
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 2: I don't care in that locker room. We're there for

1282
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 2: one thing, and one thing only to win. And if

1283
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 2: he wants to win and do the best he can

1284
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 2: to help us win, God bless him.

1285
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 3: That's all I want. That's all I want. I mean,

1286
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 3: I sure that's all you wanted to when you played

1287
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 3: the game.

1288
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, that's I mean, that's that's That's all anybody

1289
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 5: wants is for him to be able to just look

1290
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 5: just be a good just be a good teammate, be

1291
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 5: a part of the squad, be a part of the

1292
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 5: UH solution, not a part of the problem. And he

1293
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 5: has he has to play well. He didn't play his best,

1294
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 5: but he was recovering from a serious injury. Maybe he

1295
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 5: has something left.

1296
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 4: The odds are against him having a lot left, just

1297
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 4: because of his age.

1298
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,919
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of age, Travis Kelsey's thirty five. All right,

1299
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 2: I know he's not a quarterback, but still in all

1300
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 2: he didn't have a great year. He was held to

1301
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:03,439
Speaker 2: like four catches of thirty nine yards and they lost

1302
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 2: to Philadelphia in the Super Bowl at thirty five?

1303
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 3: Can he still do it?

1304
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 4: I would say?

1305
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 2: I mean, do you you watch him with a different

1306
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 2: NYE than I do? Okay, obviously no, can you tell no?

1307
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Speaker 2: But you've seen him play. Could you tell that he's

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Speaker 2: slowed down a little bit last season?

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Speaker 4: You've seen the last few seasons.

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Speaker 5: He's only been able to turn it on during the postseason,

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00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 5: and some of those like he gets hot late due

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Speaker 5: to time off. He has rest, He's given a week

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Speaker 5: off before the playoffs. He's given some time off to

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Speaker 5: get all the way back right. He has value because

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Speaker 5: he's Patrick Mahomes's most trusted playmaker on the perimeter. He

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Speaker 5: and Patrick Mahomes have a chemistry and a connection that

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Speaker 5: allows him to find holes in the defense using mental

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Speaker 5: telepathy as opposed to like routes that are put on

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Speaker 5: on paper.

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Speaker 4: That's it.

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Speaker 5: Though it's harder for him to win one on one situations,

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Speaker 5: it's harder for him to win when he's not able

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Speaker 5: to improvise and turn the game into a sandlot A

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Speaker 5: fair those things are true, but he's still a really

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Speaker 5: good player.

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Speaker 4: He has value.

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Speaker 5: And what I would do is I would draft a

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Speaker 5: young player this year that could sit right behind him

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Speaker 5: and pick his brain and learn how to be an

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Speaker 5: elite tight end because they need to get younger at

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Speaker 5: the position and they need more playmakers on the field.

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Speaker 3: It's amazing. I mean, he went to the University of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: Who ever thought that he'd be, if not the greatest,

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Speaker 2: one of the top tight ends in National Football League

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Speaker 2: history and he came in as a quarterback I believe,

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Speaker 2: at the University of Cincinnati. But do you think he's

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Speaker 2: the best tight end ever in the National Football League?

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Speaker 5: I mean, look, I think he'll go down as the

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Speaker 5: best tight end ever. Now would I say in a

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Speaker 5: traditional sense he's the best tight end? No, But in

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Speaker 5: terms of the numbers, pass catching and all those, yeah, Like,

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Speaker 5: I mean, he goes in the category that Kellen Winslow

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01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 5: Senior went into playmaker, pass catcher, that stuff. But he's

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Speaker 5: certainly not the traditional tight end like a Gronkowski he is,

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Speaker 5: or some of.

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Speaker 3: The other guys there, twenty Gonzales.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and Tony's more of a why but Tony was

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Speaker 5: more of a pass catcher than like the old school

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Speaker 5: Mike dickotype.

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Speaker 4: But there's a place for that. The league has changed.

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01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 5: The league has become more of a passing league than

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01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 5: an old school running league. So the job description is

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Speaker 5: different for the tight end.

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Speaker 2: All right, my friend, all right, we move on. And

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Speaker 2: then he's Bucky Brooks. Get him on Twitter. We'll read

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Speaker 2: those tweets at Bucky Brooks, at Andy Furman, fisade.

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Speaker 3: We'd love to hear from you. How do you do that?

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Speaker 2: Eight seven seven nineteen nine one Fox. That's eight seven

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Speaker 2: seven nine nine six six three sixty nine this hour

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Speaker 2: yay or nay with our executive producer Patty, of course,

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Speaker 2: and they're playing game an hour number three.

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Speaker 3: But why has this story been such a secret?

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Speaker 2: That's next, It's the Root of All Evil that's coming

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Speaker 3: Again.

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Speaker 2: Just search Fox Sports readio wherever you're get your podcast.

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Speaker 2: we get off the air. And we're live right now

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Speaker 2: from the tai Iraq dot Com studios. All right, let's

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Speaker 2: get into this. YA and Alk be coming up at

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Speaker 2: about ten to twelve minutes from now. But you saw

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Speaker 2: it coming. You can't get away from it. There's radio as,

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01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 2: there's TV ads, it's on your phone, it's gambling. It's

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Speaker 2: all over the place. And I don't blame kids for trying.

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Speaker 2: You have to. It's exposed. Maybe it's overexposed. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: but let's be transparent here. Let's hear about the stories

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Speaker 2: surrounding gambling, because.

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Speaker 3: You don't hear from them anywhere else. I don't get it.

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Speaker 3: Maybe there's too much advertising and they want to protect it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: But what about this one buck Fresno State basketball players

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01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 2: allegedly bet on the team. Three athletes have been implicated

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Speaker 2: in the alleged gambling issue after Heads basketball coach Vance

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Speaker 2: Wahlberg and Fresno State notify Fresnoe State of the alleged

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Speaker 2: sports betting. It's unbelievable. Really, I look again, it's not good.

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Speaker 2: It's not good for the game. I can't blame the kids.

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Speaker 2: It's all around you. You can't get away from it.

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Speaker 2: You knew it was gonna happen. I saw it coming.

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Speaker 2: You saw it coming.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we saw it coming.

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Speaker 5: Like anytime you started letting those entities around the game,

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01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 5: you're going to have some people that can violate that stuff.

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Speaker 5: And what you've seen is this generation has grown up

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Speaker 5: being able to have access to apps on your phone.

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Speaker 5: They've grown up increasingly in a fantasy football basketball world

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Speaker 5: where betting doesn't seem like an egregious next step. And

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Speaker 5: I know that we have nil and we have people

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Speaker 5: making money, but it was only a matter of time

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Speaker 5: before Look, the gamblers penetrated the circle. And that is

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Speaker 5: a decision that the NCAA. Is the decision that the

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Speaker 5: NFL has made to get in bid with these sports

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Speaker 5: books and allow gambling to come in. There's going to

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Speaker 5: be some consequences that come with that, and you're gonna

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Speaker 5: lose some players along the way because they're not going

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Speaker 5: to be able to make great decisions consistently to kind

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Speaker 5: of keep some of those things out of the game.

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Speaker 3: You know what, I'm not a gamble.

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Speaker 2: It's funny because I worked at racetracks most of my life,

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Speaker 2: dog tracks, harness tracks, storybred racing. Never gambled and it

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Speaker 2: never interested me. I mean, I guess there's certain things

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Speaker 2: that certain people have that makes the adrenaline rush all

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Speaker 2: the time. When I worked at Latonia Racecourse in Florence, Kentucky,

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Speaker 2: one of our greatest customers really was Pete Rose.

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Speaker 3: He was there every single night, Okay, And I gotta believe,

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Speaker 3: and maybe I'm wrong on this, I think.

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Speaker 2: He enjoyed losing. I guess like after he lost, he

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Speaker 2: came back and just banged it again. He came in

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Speaker 2: one time I'll never forget. He was doing some sort

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Speaker 2: of a tour in Japan. Came right off the plane

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Speaker 2: and our racetrack, Oh, your racecourse was about ten minutes

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Speaker 2: from the airport the Greater Cincinnati Northern Kentucky airport. Came

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Speaker 2: right from the airport with a big sack and overnight bag,

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Speaker 2: and he says, hey, Andy, take a look at this.

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Speaker 3: He opened it up.

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Speaker 2: There must have been ten thousand dollars in cash in

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Speaker 2: that bag, and he just he used to love to

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Speaker 2: fire the cash through the windows. And I think he'd

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Speaker 2: loved the action more so than winning or losing. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I guess that's possible.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't have that gene in me to gamble. I

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Speaker 2: don't think you do either. I would think most most

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Speaker 2: people probably don't. But when you see it all around

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Speaker 2: you like you do right now, even on your phone,

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Speaker 2: it's tough to get away from it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think it's necessarily about the gambling, jink.

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01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 5: I think sometimes like the thing that makes you great

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01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 5: can also be your fatal flaw. So a lot of

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Speaker 5: the people that we talked about in athletics are highly

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Speaker 5: competitive people who love the competition of everything. Well, gambling

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01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 5: gambling only intensifies the competition. We've seen guys, And I'm

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Speaker 5: not saying that Michael Jordan was in implicated in like

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Speaker 5: a major gambling scandal or whatever, but we've seen and

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Speaker 5: her about his nights where we go to Atlantic City

1454
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 5: and play all night before he would play games the

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01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 5: next day because it fed that competitive itch, that desire

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Speaker 5: that you have. I am probably surprised that more athletes

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01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:17,439
Speaker 5: are not involved in gambling snaffoos, because in the locker room,

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Speaker 5: everything is a competition, whether it's cards, whether it's uh,

1459
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 5: look Domino's, anything and everything becomes a competition.

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Speaker 4: And look, this gambling.

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Speaker 5: Thing kind of gives you some of that energy that

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01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 5: you don't get when when you're away from the game,

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01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 5: that you missed when you're not competing on the field

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Speaker 5: or on the hardwood.

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Speaker 4: I understand it.

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Speaker 5: And even though we can give like all of these

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01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 5: talks and lectures and say, oh this is bad, look

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Speaker 5: it's great lines because of so many different factors that

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Speaker 5: really impact our athletes today.

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Speaker 2: You know, I did a lot of reading about this.

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Speaker 2: You know, bring brought up in New York City, which

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Speaker 2: is a great basketball city back in the fifties, had

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Speaker 2: the Big Times gambles, and I pushed the schools like CCNY,

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Speaker 2: City College of New York, lu Long Island University. They

1475
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Speaker 2: almost had to shut down their programs because they're gambling, all.

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Speaker 3: Right, And I get it.

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Speaker 2: There was guys on the street corner getting ahold of

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Speaker 2: these college athletes and giving them money to dump the games?

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Speaker 2: All right, Now, you've got to score like Fresno State,

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Speaker 2: which their record right now is something like five and

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Speaker 2: twenty three. They suspended xey On Collins, Jalen Weaver, and

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Speaker 2: Michel Robinson. Now a team is on a ten or

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01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 2: eleven game losing streak. They lost seventy two sixty out

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Speaker 2: to the Air Force Academy with only seven guys.

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Speaker 3: The other day.

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Speaker 2: What are they doing? I mean, they're not winning. So

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Speaker 2: when these gamblers get ahold of them? Or how are

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01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:41,920
Speaker 2: they gambling? I mean, do you know anything about this?

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Speaker 2: I have no idea how how you get a hold

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Speaker 2: of Fresnoe State? Of all schools, why Fresnoe State? Why

1491
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 2: wouldn't you get ahold of a school like the University

1492
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 2: of Houston was just one of the Big twelve. Get

1493
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 2: a hold of those guys to dump? I mean, why

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01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 2: a score like Fresno State. I don't get it. Help

1495
01:07:58,600 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 2: me out here.

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Speaker 5: You never know who is being affected. You never know

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Speaker 5: which players have the itch or the disease. You also

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01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 5: never know like how the origin, how it started, and

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Speaker 5: where the desperation came from. That Look, man, I am

1500
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 5: in such a hole that we have to do this,

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01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 5: and who is the most influential person on the team

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Speaker 5: that can get the other guys to participate in the scheme.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's a lot of stuff. Like normally your

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01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 4: top teams are not going to be.

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Speaker 5: Involved because like everything is towards them winning the championship.

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01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 5: It makes sense to me that the most vulnerable teams

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Speaker 5: are the teams at the bottom of the wrong, the

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01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:41,280
Speaker 5: bottom ladder, because they don't have anything really to play for,

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01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 5: and so you have guys that are probably easy to

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01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 5: get to. It's probably more easy to convince them that, look,

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Speaker 5: no one really cares about your team. Y'all are so

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01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 5: far behind.

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Speaker 4: Why not?

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Speaker 5: That's why I would think that teams like Fresno State

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01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 5: and others would be vulnerable. But remember, there's another scandal

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Speaker 5: just coming out simultaneously at North Carolina Central, I mean

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Speaker 5: not North Central, North Carolina A and T. That was

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Speaker 5: you had a handful of players implicated. And another thing

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Speaker 5: A in T is another team that is not played

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01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 5: well this year. To me, it makes sense that the

1521
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 5: weaker teams, the teams are at the bottom of the league,

1522
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 5: they're the ones that you make the call and see

1523
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 5: if you can convince the kid to throw a game

1524
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:20,759
Speaker 5: or to participate in an illegal scheme.

1525
01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:23,559
Speaker 2: Okay, so you say throw a game. We Fresnel State's

1526
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 2: records five and twenty three. They're not going to throw

1527
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:27,719
Speaker 2: a game. I mean, they'll just change the points spread.

1528
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 2: Is that what it might be? I mean, I have

1529
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:31,639
Speaker 2: no clue what they would do. I mean, say, I'm

1530
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 2: the leading scorer on Fresne State. I'm averaging twenty points

1531
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 2: a game. The team is five and twenty three. They're

1532
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 2: playing God comes over to me, So I'm going to

1533
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 2: give you the amount of dollars. I don't want you

1534
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 2: to score anything, just keep on passing the ball, whatever

1535
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 2: it may be. Because of the points spread. In other words,

1536
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:47,480
Speaker 2: Fresnel State's playing San Diego.

1537
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:47,840
Speaker 4: Whatever it may be.

1538
01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:50,919
Speaker 2: And if that San Diego is favored by twenty two points,

1539
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 2: so in other words, they're looking at the spread. So

1540
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:55,639
Speaker 2: they would cover that spread or not cover the spread?

1541
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:58,800
Speaker 2: Is that it according to the leading scorer that there's

1542
01:09:58,840 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 2: not many.

1543
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 3: People, mean they geting go anyway.

1544
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:03,919
Speaker 5: I can't see him profess it on the gambling Expert,

1545
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:06,800
Speaker 5: but I can just I would assume that you get

1546
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 5: in contact with somebody or someone on his own volition

1547
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 5: is looking around, and I have a debt to pay.

1548
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 5: What is the easiest thing for me to control? Well,

1549
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:18,439
Speaker 5: I can control how much I score in terms of attempts.

1550
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 5: I can control how I shoot at bad shots, turnovers,

1551
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:24,560
Speaker 5: things that look innocuous.

1552
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 4: I can control some of those things.

1553
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 5: Whereas on a good team and those things I may

1554
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:32,639
Speaker 5: not have as much control because I'm surrounded by better players,

1555
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 5: I may I have the impact on those things. But look,

1556
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 5: it happens in all horns. We've seen NBA players get

1557
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 5: caught up in this. I mean, there's a lot of

1558
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 5: conversation about this of late, you know, and I think

1559
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 5: it's going to continue to be a part of our

1560
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:53,599
Speaker 5: daily conversations as the link between professional sports, college sports,

1561
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:56,479
Speaker 5: and gambling as they continue to be tied together.

1562
01:10:57,080 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 2: You Know, it's funny because I think you have to

1563
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 2: have will power. I still believe that there's something, maybe it's,

1564
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:04,800
Speaker 2: like you said, a competitive gene inside you that wants

1565
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 2: to do this, Because if a player on the college

1566
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:10,560
Speaker 2: level is making big time, nil money, why would you

1567
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 2: want to jeopardize that with a gambler Unless you're not

1568
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:16,880
Speaker 2: making big money at a school like Fresno State.

1569
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 3: Maybe they're not giving the NIL money there.

1570
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 4: I don't know where everybody's not making big time money.

1571
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 5: We assume just because NIL is there, that everyone is

1572
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:27,839
Speaker 5: operating on a level playing field, but that's not true.

1573
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 5: What they make at Ohio State is certainly different than

1574
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 5: what you make at NCA and T and so we

1575
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 5: can't assume that everyone is making significant sums. And the

1576
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:40,639
Speaker 5: challenges that people have are their own individual challenges.

1577
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 4: And what we don't know is what impacted these players.

1578
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 5: That led them to go down that path. But something

1579
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 5: sparked it. It wasn't you know.

1580
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 4: Like I can talk about the competitive nature whatever.

1581
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 5: Normally these decisions are made out of desperation, and I'm

1582
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:59,519
Speaker 5: sure there's something that led to the desperation that made

1583
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 5: them make the choices that they make, and then they

1584
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 5: got to do with these consequences.

1585
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 1: Well.

1586
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:06,599
Speaker 2: Last November, federal authorities launched an investigation at the former

1587
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 2: Temple University men's basketball player I Sea Miller following irregular

1588
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 2: betting activity, and US Integrity received alerts. I never heard

1589
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:18,720
Speaker 2: of US Integrity, but I guess it's an operation or organization.

1590
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 2: They got some resulves, some alerts regarding a regular line

1591
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:25,600
Speaker 2: movement and suspicious betting ahead of a game against the

1592
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:28,719
Speaker 2: University of Alabama at Birmingham. This is back in March

1593
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty four. Now you mentioned North Carolina A

1594
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:35,760
Speaker 2: and T. The men's basketball programs at Eastern Michigan, Mississippi

1595
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 2: Valley State and North Carolina A and T are also

1596
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 2: facing scrutiny due to an alleged series of bets placed

1597
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:47,200
Speaker 2: by the same accounts involved in the illegal gambling scheme

1598
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:50,759
Speaker 2: tied to the former NBA players you mentioned John tay Porter.

1599
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 2: Here's my question though, and I'm not a gambler, so

1600
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 2: I don't know. Are the women's games WNBA as well

1601
01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 2: as college women are there they have lines on their

1602
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 2: game too to bet on.

1603
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 3: Because I don't see any women's programs being scrutinized.

1604
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:10,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know because I don't really consult the lines.

1605
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 5: Don't do I go into sports books. I'm forbidden from

1606
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 5: one into sports books due to my relationship with the

1607
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 5: National Football League. So I don't know as much about

1608
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 5: the gambler thing. I only know about the peripheral whatever

1609
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 5: I read and whatever I've seen about the stuff.

1610
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:27,680
Speaker 3: Hum does this Patty or executive for due. Do you know,

1611
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 3: because you look like a gambler.

1612
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 2: Do you know, Patty, is there are there lines on

1613
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 2: the college women's games in basketball? He's probably making a

1614
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 2: bed right now.

1615
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:38,559
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1616
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 2: And I got four New Orleans men's basketball players who

1617
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:45,800
Speaker 2: have been suspended since late January. They're under investigation right

1618
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 2: now for possible NCAA violations related to sports gambling.

1619
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 3: This is according to multiple reports University of New Orleans.

1620
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:53,679
Speaker 3: So it's out there.

1621
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:58,960
Speaker 2: I'm not surprised, and really and truly, I'm glad you

1622
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:01,559
Speaker 2: kind of cleared that up with me because now I'm

1623
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 2: not going to be that concerned watching the NCAA Martchman

1624
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 2: this tournament because these big time, good teams, they're not

1625
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 2: going to touch those kids.

1626
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 3: They're making good nil money. They're not going to jeopardize that. However,

1627
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 3: I mean the sixteenth seed playing the number one, or

1628
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:19,720
Speaker 3: the fifteenth playing number one and number two.

1629
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:21,760
Speaker 5: No, I don't think those teams will be I don't

1630
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:23,120
Speaker 5: think those teams will be impacted.

1631
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 4: I think you're talking about teams that are on the outs.

1632
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:27,639
Speaker 5: Those teams that are in the tournament, they have stuff

1633
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:29,320
Speaker 5: to play for the teams that.

1634
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 4: Are really going to be impacted.

1635
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 5: Are the bottom wrong teams, the teams that don't have

1636
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:35,799
Speaker 5: anything where it doesn't matter. You have too many people

1637
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:38,639
Speaker 5: that have too many things at stake in the tournament

1638
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 5: to say, oh, now we're in the tournament, let's throw

1639
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 5: the game.

1640
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:43,920
Speaker 4: I don't That's not where to be. It will always

1641
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 4: be the bottom feeders.

1642
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:47,679
Speaker 5: It is rare that you find a scandal with someone

1643
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 5: that is at the top of the food chain, a

1644
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 5: team that is competing for or at the championship level,

1645
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 5: that all of a sudden has a point shaving scandal

1646
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 5: or someone involved in that. Normally, if you go back

1647
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:01,599
Speaker 5: and look through history, are the teams that at the bottom,

1648
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 5: the teams that are the preno losers.

1649
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:05,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad you cleared that up. I didn't know.

1650
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 2: I'm not a gameless I didn't know, and i didn't

1651
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 2: even know. I'm gonna check to see if there are

1652
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:11,880
Speaker 2: lines on the women college games in basketball. But he's

1653
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:13,800
Speaker 2: Bucky Brooks and Andy Ferman. To be sure to check

1654
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 2: out the Fox Sports Radio YouTube channel. There's a ton

1655
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 2: of great videos for many of her Fox Sports Radio shows.

1656
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 2: Just search Fox Sports Radio on YouTube and you'll see

1657
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:25,360
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of video highlights from all of our shows,

1658
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 2: and be sure to subscribe so you always have instant

1659
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 2: access to a Fox Sports Radio videos.

1660
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:34,559
Speaker 3: And on YouTube. There we go, but it's time yay

1661
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 3: or nay.

1662
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:38,640
Speaker 2: He's freaking next, all right, Stevie won the yay or

1663
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 2: names coming right up.

1664
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:42,400
Speaker 3: It's about even the minutes.

1665
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:43,960
Speaker 2: Before at the top of the hour, this is Fox

1666
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 2: Sports Sunday on Fox Sports Radio. He is Bucky Brooks

1667
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 2: and Andy Ferman, who alive from the Ti rock dot

1668
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:52,599
Speaker 2: Com studios. And of course we lean on our executive producer,

1669
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:54,719
Speaker 2: mister Pat Pat.

1670
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:58,599
Speaker 3: It's your baby, yay or Nay take it. Okay, let's

1671
01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:00,559
Speaker 3: figure out those brain gentlemen.

1672
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:02,880
Speaker 1: These stories needed us.

1673
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 3: I think we need a ruling on this.

1674
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 1: Yay nay.

1675
01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 7: That's all right, Andy and Buggy, it is time to

1676
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:15,120
Speaker 7: play yay ornee this Sunday. Hey, what's up everybody? I

1677
01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:17,320
Speaker 7: got a couple for you. So I'm gonna start off.

1678
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 8: With this one.

1679
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 3: Here.

1680
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:21,200
Speaker 7: Here's where we're gonna go, guys. So Tampa Bay Buccaneers

1681
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:25,320
Speaker 7: are reinstating Super Bowl winning former head coach John Gruden

1682
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 7: into the team's Ring of honor.

1683
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 8: Andy. He hit the first yay Ornee.

1684
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 2: Well, first off, I'm gonna say yay because he deserves

1685
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 2: it as a super Bowl when he coached number one,

1686
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:39,559
Speaker 2: number two. I don't know why President Trump didn't go

1687
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:42,800
Speaker 2: for him. He wants Pete Roseley and stated, but why

1688
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 2: not the coach John Gruden of Tampa Bay.

1689
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:47,439
Speaker 3: I don't get it. But maybe he's not as big.

1690
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:48,960
Speaker 3: I just don't know. But I think it's good.

1691
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:52,160
Speaker 2: You set a record, you've done something well, you deserve it.

1692
01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 2: The worst thing was he was in and they threw

1693
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:57,000
Speaker 2: him out, So I say yay.

1694
01:16:58,080 --> 01:16:58,840
Speaker 4: Uh yeah.

1695
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 5: I think this is influenced certainly by the President and

1696
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:04,559
Speaker 5: some of the policies that are coming down all over

1697
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 5: the place.

1698
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 4: I think they felt more.

1699
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:10,559
Speaker 5: Comfortable bringing John Gruden back in this climate, and so look,

1700
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:12,439
Speaker 5: you probably never should have been taken out, because I

1701
01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:14,800
Speaker 5: don't understand how you can put someone in and remove them.

1702
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:17,040
Speaker 4: Once he's in. He's in, and they should have supported him.

1703
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:20,639
Speaker 8: Good batter and different, all right, sweet, good batter and different.

1704
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 7: It seems like they're gonna put them back into their

1705
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 7: traditional ring of honorable. Speaking of tradition, guys, we have

1706
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:29,959
Speaker 7: another New York Yankees tradition falling by the wayside, Yankees

1707
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 7: will not play Frank Sinatra's New York, New York over

1708
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 7: stadium loudspeakers after a loss. Bucky, you get the first

1709
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:39,880
Speaker 7: one on this yay or nay.

1710
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:45,760
Speaker 5: Look, I'm gonna say this is it's a yay for me,

1711
01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:49,599
Speaker 5: because you should have a song that celebrates when you win.

1712
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:51,720
Speaker 4: You shouldn't have the song that you just do all

1713
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 4: the time.

1714
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:54,840
Speaker 5: But I understand that there are people that stand up

1715
01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:56,599
Speaker 5: and sing the Alma mater win or lose.

1716
01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:57,920
Speaker 4: To me, I like to.

1717
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:00,160
Speaker 5: Celebrate when we win. I don't want to have a

1718
01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:02,040
Speaker 5: celebratory song when we lose it.

1719
01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:03,400
Speaker 4: So I'm okay with this.

1720
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:06,720
Speaker 2: You know, I'm gonna go with you. This is the

1721
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:08,840
Speaker 2: stupidest thing I've ever heard of. Why would you play

1722
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:11,599
Speaker 2: the song after a loss? Really, you should play taps.

1723
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 2: They should play taps after a loss. That's what they

1724
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 2: should do.

1725
01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 3: But the Yankees did say they will still play New

1726
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 3: York New York after wins as usual, but they're gonna

1727
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 3: rotate through a couple of other songs after.

1728
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 2: A Look, I don't think they should have any music

1729
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:27,240
Speaker 2: after a loss. Right, Buck, you lose the game, go home,

1730
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 2: I play taps.

1731
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:30,920
Speaker 4: That's I mean, there has to be there has to

1732
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:31,719
Speaker 4: be some tradition.

1733
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 5: I'm okay with that stuff, but it it look, I

1734
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:37,280
Speaker 5: don't think they need to play the same song New York,

1735
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:39,759
Speaker 5: New York when they're losing, right.

1736
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:43,599
Speaker 7: All right, Well that since you know I agree with that. Well,

1737
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:45,639
Speaker 7: you know what, we still got another thing have kind

1738
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:47,160
Speaker 7: of been a little more traditional.

1739
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:50,600
Speaker 8: Uh just the thought here, guys. It's college basketball.

1740
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:54,559
Speaker 7: So basketball coaches have gone to wearing these like track

1741
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 7: sweatsuits on the sidelines, as we've kind of seen, but like,

1742
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 7: you know, instead of dude, except for well perhaps Rick Patino,

1743
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:04,280
Speaker 7: so yeay or nay?

1744
01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:06,839
Speaker 8: Andy you get the final say, Well.

1745
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:07,200
Speaker 3: I'll say this.

1746
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 2: I saw Rip Patino yesterday in that game against Seaton Hale.

1747
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:12,759
Speaker 3: He's wearing a white suit. It was unbelievable, phenomenal.

1748
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, I think there's suddenly be said about

1749
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:18,120
Speaker 2: a coach showing some respect doing that. But you know,

1750
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:22,000
Speaker 2: I've heard I've heard stories I'd say, yay, uh because

1751
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:25,200
Speaker 2: now wearing a sweatsuit. I've read stories that say some

1752
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:27,599
Speaker 2: of these coaches nothing more than gym teachers. No they're not.

1753
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:30,560
Speaker 2: They're more than that. They change kids' lives. I'd like

1754
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 2: to see them go back to this suit like Jay

1755
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:32,559
Speaker 2: Wright did.

1756
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:33,560
Speaker 3: I really would.

1757
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:35,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, I'm good. I don't think you need to

1758
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:37,640
Speaker 5: be a suit to be a good coach. I understand it,

1759
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:39,360
Speaker 5: like we're playing on the basketball court.

1760
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:40,320
Speaker 4: I think if your.

1761
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 5: Classy business casual, you have a quarter zip or whatever,

1762
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 5: like even if you want to wear your tracksuits, as

1763
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 5: long as it's like neat and clean and pressed, I'm

1764
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:49,559
Speaker 5: okay with it.

1765
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:51,200
Speaker 4: I don't think you need to be wearing a suit

1766
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 4: to be on the sideline. I've always had I'm.

1767
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:55,639
Speaker 2: With, you know, way to school logo with a zip

1768
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:58,400
Speaker 2: up thing like like that. But I kind of liked it.

1769
01:19:58,400 --> 01:19:59,680
Speaker 2: It was it was a nice move. It was a

1770
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:02,840
Speaker 2: class move when they did. And Patino says, look right now,

1771
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 2: he's hidding shoulders above the rest of the coaches because

1772
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:07,240
Speaker 2: he does wear that. Now, maybe he's old school, I

1773
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:09,840
Speaker 2: don't know, but he's Bucky Brooks and Andy Furman. But

1774
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:12,680
Speaker 2: take a look, take a look who's fueling nil that

1775
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 2: and more? Where a Fox Sports sunny coming up right

1776
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:20,840
Speaker 2: here next? All right, the rich always get richer. That's

1777
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:23,639
Speaker 2: coming right out. Good morning, everybody, this is Fox Sports

1778
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 2: Sunday on Fox Sports.

1779
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:26,840
Speaker 3: Ready and he's Bucky Brooks and Andy Furman.

1780
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:29,439
Speaker 2: And by the way, we're broadcasting live from the ty

1781
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:32,240
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1782
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:35,280
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Speaker 2: recommended installers. Tire rack dot com the way tie buying

1785
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 2: should be. Bucky Brooks, I can't believe the day is

1786
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:47,599
Speaker 2: gone like this. It's March the second. We're an hour

1787
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:50,479
Speaker 2: number three. We're rocking and rolling, and believe it or not,

1788
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 2: next week at this time we'll have the clock spring forward,

1789
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 2: spring ahead right.

1790
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:57,320
Speaker 3: It's unbelievable moving the clock or Andy spring is here.

1791
01:20:57,720 --> 01:20:59,439
Speaker 3: March Man is bring his ear.

1792
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:03,000
Speaker 4: Oh so daylight saving time already? Huh yeah this week

1793
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:04,400
Speaker 4: next week.

1794
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 2: I did some checking, which I don't normally do, but

1795
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:10,800
Speaker 2: I did it during our little break right now, and

1796
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:13,920
Speaker 2: I checked to c you can bet, not that I'm

1797
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:17,280
Speaker 2: going to, but you can bet on women's college basketball games.

1798
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:21,120
Speaker 2: It's said on the website Fan Duel Sports Book will

1799
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:23,599
Speaker 2: take women's college basketball games. You could bet on them,

1800
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 2: and you could bet on the WNBA. I guess if

1801
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:29,320
Speaker 2: there's an event out there, you could bet on it.

1802
01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 2: You could probably bet on corn hole, swimming, track and field.

1803
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:34,559
Speaker 3: Wherever it is.

1804
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:37,680
Speaker 2: If there's competition, you could probably bet on bullfighting.

1805
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:39,839
Speaker 3: I bet you could bet on bullfighting. Is that correct?

1806
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:44,320
Speaker 4: I bet you can, probably, so I wouldn't put it

1807
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:46,559
Speaker 4: past this. Yeah, you probably. You probably can't bet on that.

1808
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:49,800
Speaker 2: You probably can. And that's what they're doing. And we

1809
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:53,439
Speaker 2: talked about gambling. Okay, now kind of a tie in,

1810
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:56,439
Speaker 2: so to speak. Let's talk about NIL, which is name,

1811
01:21:56,520 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 2: image and likeness. Now, I would ask you, and a

1812
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:04,200
Speaker 2: little continuation from Yayo and A name image likeness, is

1813
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:05,160
Speaker 2: it good for college sports?

1814
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 3: What do you think, Yayo and A.

1815
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 5: I think name image and likeness is good for college sports,

1816
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:13,679
Speaker 5: But what it has turned into is pay for play.

1817
01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:16,599
Speaker 5: I don't know if that is necessarily good for college

1818
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:19,400
Speaker 5: sports in terms of just paying players to come around

1819
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:23,479
Speaker 5: and turn into college programs into minor league professional teams.

1820
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:28,080
Speaker 5: I understand everyone should benefit from their participation in those things,

1821
01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:31,479
Speaker 5: but it still has an ekey feel to it because

1822
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:35,320
Speaker 5: it doesn't have the academic component. And maybe I'm just

1823
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:38,360
Speaker 5: an old school guy that still talks about the student

1824
01:22:38,439 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 5: athlete and those things, but it just feels weird.

1825
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:44,200
Speaker 3: Well, it is athletes students these days. It's not student athlete.

1826
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:44,559
Speaker 1: You know that.

1827
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:47,840
Speaker 2: But if you could repair nil, how would you do it?

1828
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:49,760
Speaker 2: I would to be a salary cap. I'm thinking of

1829
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:52,600
Speaker 2: that because it basically isn't fair, There's no doubt in

1830
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 2: my mind. And I say that because I'm in an

1831
01:22:55,479 --> 01:22:58,120
Speaker 2: area where the University of Cincinnati is in the Big twelve,

1832
01:22:58,479 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 2: and I think it's gonna be very difficult for that

1833
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:02,760
Speaker 2: to compete in that Big twelve, the least in basketball.

1834
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:06,920
Speaker 2: Forget about football, because there's a three Major league teams

1835
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 2: in the CINCINNTI market and Major League Soccer. There's professional

1836
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:14,639
Speaker 2: football and Major League Baseball, and there's two other Division One.

1837
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:15,599
Speaker 3: Teams in the area.

1838
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 2: There's av University in the Big East and in the

1839
01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:21,639
Speaker 2: Horizon Conference. Across the river, the Ohio River, there's Northern

1840
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:22,680
Speaker 2: Kentucky University.

1841
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:24,000
Speaker 3: And what do I mean by that?

1842
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:27,200
Speaker 2: There's a lot of competition for the entertainment dollar and

1843
01:23:27,240 --> 01:23:30,160
Speaker 2: there's a lot of alums split and in other words,

1844
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:31,600
Speaker 2: if you want to get an athlete, you need an

1845
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 2: alum to open up the checkbook and pay for it,

1846
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 2: as opposed to in Lawrence, Kansas, or Stillwater, Oklahoma, or

1847
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:41,360
Speaker 2: whatever it may be, where you are the only show

1848
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 2: in town and everybody roots for the college team and

1849
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 2: all the alums are ready to open up their checkbook

1850
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:47,439
Speaker 2: and pay for these athletes.

1851
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 3: It's very difficult. It's not really fair.

1852
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:54,479
Speaker 5: No, it's not really fair. But what's happening. You have

1853
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:56,320
Speaker 5: two things that are going on at the same time.

1854
01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:58,760
Speaker 5: You have nil, which is name, image and likeness where

1855
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:02,519
Speaker 5: you benefit off of you using your jerseys and those

1856
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:05,280
Speaker 5: things to create opportunity streams for you. And then there's

1857
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:08,760
Speaker 5: revenue sharing, which is what you're talking about, to create

1858
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:11,200
Speaker 5: a salary cap where the conferences have to equally split

1859
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:14,040
Speaker 5: the money and you kind of everyone has the same

1860
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:17,400
Speaker 5: amount of dollars that they're dealing with. That is where

1861
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:20,120
Speaker 5: the salary cap and the implementation of those things come

1862
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:24,160
Speaker 5: into play. It'll be the interesting to see how that

1863
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:27,639
Speaker 5: levels the playing feel a little bit, because we're already

1864
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 5: seeing that kind of happen right The SMUs and the

1865
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:32,479
Speaker 5: Indianas and some of those schools that have been able

1866
01:24:32,479 --> 01:24:36,240
Speaker 5: to jump into the playoff are teams that normally wouldn't

1867
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:38,040
Speaker 5: have that opportunity.

1868
01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:40,560
Speaker 4: We've seen Texas Tech jump into transfer.

1869
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:43,920
Speaker 5: Portal and maybe use some of the allure of money

1870
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:46,559
Speaker 5: to be able to create a team that can compete

1871
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:49,840
Speaker 5: in punch above its weight normally. We'll see how this

1872
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:52,479
Speaker 5: plays out, but it will make it a very interesting deal.

1873
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:56,479
Speaker 5: And as the look the college football landscape becomes more

1874
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:59,800
Speaker 5: like pro football, we will see some parody. We will

1875
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:03,640
Speaker 5: see see a little more of the NFL field to

1876
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:06,760
Speaker 5: games where the talent is spread I won't say necessarily

1877
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:09,280
Speaker 5: evenly throughout, but it will be spread out more than

1878
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:10,360
Speaker 5: it's been spread out before.

1879
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:13,600
Speaker 2: Okay, remember that guy woa to Wochanowski Houston wrote for

1880
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:17,320
Speaker 2: ESPN coming college Basketball and b he left. He left

1881
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:19,280
Speaker 2: up you other penning my three four million dollars a

1882
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:22,360
Speaker 2: year to be the general manager of the basketball program

1883
01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:25,320
Speaker 2: at his alma Mada, Saint Bonaventure University. So it's an

1884
01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:27,600
Speaker 2: article the other day in the New York Times that

1885
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:31,120
Speaker 2: to raise money he's selling like he's press passes that

1886
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 2: he had and watches whoever it may be an he

1887
01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:37,240
Speaker 2: doda that he had. He's selling to raise money to

1888
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 2: get athletes to come to Saint Bonaventure. God bless him.

1889
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:45,759
Speaker 2: I don't see Saint Bonaventure University competing with the likes

1890
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:52,720
Speaker 2: of Michigan you know, Ohio State and basketball even Indiana.

1891
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:56,240
Speaker 2: You name the school, Michigan State. I just don't see

1892
01:25:56,240 --> 01:25:59,760
Speaker 2: they can. How can they? Well, if athletes want to

1893
01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:02,479
Speaker 2: get big time money, it just can't happen. The fact

1894
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 2: that he left good for him. He loves his alma mater,

1895
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:08,400
Speaker 2: and maybe he was tired of trying to break stories

1896
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:10,240
Speaker 2: working twenty four to seven around the clock.

1897
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:10,720
Speaker 3: I get it.

1898
01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 2: He has enough money he could afford to kick back

1899
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 2: a little bit, but that's a tedious job. I don't

1900
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:19,120
Speaker 2: see how he's gonna make it at Saint Bonaventure University,

1901
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:21,599
Speaker 2: which back in the day, they were a tough team.

1902
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:24,760
Speaker 3: They were good in basketball. Bob Lanier played for them,

1903
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:26,920
Speaker 3: Freddie Crawford and the NBA played for them.

1904
01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:29,920
Speaker 2: Did Tom stiff brothers. He and his brother play for

1905
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:32,080
Speaker 2: Saint Bonnie. That's when there was more of an even

1906
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:35,320
Speaker 2: playing field. There's no even playing field now. I understand

1907
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:37,040
Speaker 2: how they do it. How are you gonna get money

1908
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:38,920
Speaker 2: to get a kid to go to Saint Bonaventure?

1909
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:42,599
Speaker 5: Well, that's different, but you're also in basketball you're talking

1910
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:45,559
Speaker 5: about I mean, the number of Division I basketball teams.

1911
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:48,120
Speaker 5: You're talking about over three hundred Like it's different than

1912
01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:50,880
Speaker 5: college footballhere you talk about one hundred and twenty teams

1913
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:54,680
Speaker 5: that are competing at the highest levels. Yeah, it's not

1914
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:57,040
Speaker 5: gonna be enough money for the small teams that are

1915
01:26:57,040 --> 01:26:59,160
Speaker 5: at the D one level to compete with the heavyweights.

1916
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:02,920
Speaker 5: North Carolina has had an issue because when the SEC

1917
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:05,320
Speaker 5: went all in or making sure that they had great

1918
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:08,719
Speaker 5: basketball and they decided to pour the same resources into

1919
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:12,280
Speaker 5: basketball and baseball that they have been pouring into football,

1920
01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:15,280
Speaker 5: You've seen an SEC dominance at the top of the

1921
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:18,240
Speaker 5: charts in those sports. And I hate to say that

1922
01:27:18,360 --> 01:27:22,759
Speaker 5: the success is there's a direct correlation between the money

1923
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:26,160
Speaker 5: spent and the success between the lines. But we are

1924
01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:29,080
Speaker 5: seeing some of that play out there. Is it eventually

1925
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:33,600
Speaker 5: level out and we'll see more teams engaged, But now

1926
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:35,760
Speaker 5: I look, they have not, so are gonna have a

1927
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:39,040
Speaker 5: tough time competing with the haves in this current landscape.

1928
01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:41,640
Speaker 3: I'm surprised that hasn't been more pushback.

1929
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:44,280
Speaker 2: I'm surprised the fans have not, like I say, refolded,

1930
01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:47,760
Speaker 2: but really complained and saying that. And someone did a

1931
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:50,840
Speaker 2: study that there's a correlation between the money spent that

1932
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:54,160
Speaker 2: Ohio State and football helped them win a national championship. Really,

1933
01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:57,519
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm shocked that no one has said anything.

1934
01:27:57,560 --> 01:27:59,280
Speaker 2: But now there's a new situation.

1935
01:27:59,560 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 3: Enter the pick.

1936
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:04,880
Speaker 2: The alums from the school and the NBA are writing

1937
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:08,920
Speaker 2: checks for their school, Arizona State, the Sun Devils. There's

1938
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 2: a check written by James Harden put up one hundred

1939
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:15,720
Speaker 2: thousand dollars, they said, for a potential player. I mean,

1940
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:18,000
Speaker 2: this is ridiculous. I mean, there's got to be some

1941
01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:20,559
Speaker 2: sort of a limit. There's got to be someone, there's

1942
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:23,320
Speaker 2: got to be a guardian in this thing where they're

1943
01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:27,040
Speaker 2: gonna go crazy. You know, most NBA players said they

1944
01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:30,520
Speaker 2: still are more interested in traditional ways of giving donations

1945
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:34,360
Speaker 2: of year or funding for facilities. But several players, and

1946
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:36,160
Speaker 2: this is what I've written, and I've found this out

1947
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:40,440
Speaker 2: in a study, that several players have written huge checks

1948
01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:42,760
Speaker 2: to build practice facilities with their names on them. I

1949
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:46,240
Speaker 2: get that among them are Carmelo Anthony did it at Syracuse,

1950
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant did it at Texas, Russell Westbrook did it

1951
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:52,559
Speaker 2: at UCLA, Draymond Green did it at Michigan State. All Right,

1952
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 2: that I could see but to spend money on a

1953
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:57,360
Speaker 2: potential high school kid to get it to come in

1954
01:28:57,400 --> 01:29:00,120
Speaker 2: there and play basketball. I don't get it. But still, well,

1955
01:29:00,479 --> 01:29:02,400
Speaker 2: there should be some sort of a red flag there,

1956
01:29:02,439 --> 01:29:05,599
Speaker 2: don't you think this nil is really out of control?

1957
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:09,759
Speaker 2: But the college who made the connection to the NBA player,

1958
01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:13,639
Speaker 2: kudos for them. That's a great idea. So I would

1959
01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:15,920
Speaker 2: do that. That's what I would do if I was

1960
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:18,320
Speaker 2: a guy woje at say, by the venture, look at

1961
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:21,000
Speaker 2: all the guys that graduated that have played in the NBA.

1962
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:22,800
Speaker 3: Open up your checkbook, help us.

1963
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:25,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there's gonna be some of that, and

1964
01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:26,720
Speaker 4: that's common, you know.

1965
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:29,800
Speaker 5: I mean, it's no different than schools going to their

1966
01:29:29,800 --> 01:29:32,080
Speaker 5: big donors who've made it successfully in business and asking

1967
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:33,920
Speaker 5: them to come back and donate and chip in.

1968
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:35,760
Speaker 4: But you're gonna do that for.

1969
01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 5: So long because everyone's pockets are only so deep, and

1970
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:42,320
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna keep giving an annual gift time and

1971
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:42,800
Speaker 5: time again.

1972
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:44,240
Speaker 4: You're gonna have to expand your reach.

1973
01:29:44,840 --> 01:29:49,120
Speaker 5: And that's why some of this model is not sustainable,

1974
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:52,280
Speaker 5: because you can't keep coming to people and asking them

1975
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:55,519
Speaker 5: to fund some of these things. Schools have to fund

1976
01:29:55,720 --> 01:29:58,960
Speaker 5: their ambitions and it can't just be the alums that

1977
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:01,280
Speaker 5: are doing it, because as you get down the line,

1978
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:04,080
Speaker 5: depending on the amount of students that you have in

1979
01:30:04,120 --> 01:30:06,439
Speaker 5: your school, the number of alums.

1980
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:08,559
Speaker 4: That you have that are crushing it in business.

1981
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:11,680
Speaker 5: Look, the pipeline's gonna run out, and so you have

1982
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:13,519
Speaker 5: to have a better way of being able to do this.

1983
01:30:14,200 --> 01:30:16,720
Speaker 2: So I asked you, Bucket Brooks, when the NIL was

1984
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:20,920
Speaker 2: basically initiated, was there a thought process saying, yeah, the

1985
01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:23,559
Speaker 2: athletes can get paid. There was no limit how much

1986
01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:25,920
Speaker 2: they can get paid. Number one, But did they care

1987
01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:28,280
Speaker 2: where that money or the funds came from, because there's

1988
01:30:28,280 --> 01:30:30,680
Speaker 2: been some problems where kids at a quarterback at the

1989
01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:33,200
Speaker 2: University of Miami and Florida was promised money and never

1990
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:36,320
Speaker 2: got his money. So was there an edict saying that

1991
01:30:36,439 --> 01:30:38,360
Speaker 2: they could only get the money through the school?

1992
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:38,920
Speaker 4: Like the.

1993
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:43,240
Speaker 2: Donor who gives the money should give the check to

1994
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:45,800
Speaker 2: the school first, and the school gives the check or

1995
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:48,719
Speaker 2: the money to the kid, not directly from the donor.

1996
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:52,120
Speaker 2: There's got to be some guidelines. Is it donor is

1997
01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:53,160
Speaker 2: it just from the school.

1998
01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:53,800
Speaker 3: Could it be.

1999
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 2: Alums, could it be professional players. I don't think there

2000
01:30:56,520 --> 01:30:58,759
Speaker 2: was anything like that at all when this thing was formed.

2001
01:31:00,680 --> 01:31:03,240
Speaker 5: No, I mean, but I mean you also have a

2002
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:05,160
Speaker 5: change in time with the NC DOUBLEA and how we're

2003
01:31:05,240 --> 01:31:08,720
Speaker 5: viewing the NC DOUBLEA as a governing body related to

2004
01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:09,599
Speaker 5: athletic sports.

2005
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:10,720
Speaker 4: It's not what it was.

2006
01:31:10,760 --> 01:31:14,200
Speaker 5: It's not yesterday's game, and so this is all work

2007
01:31:14,240 --> 01:31:16,240
Speaker 5: in progress. And when you don't have one person at

2008
01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:19,760
Speaker 5: type of commissioner or czar to kind of met out

2009
01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:21,760
Speaker 5: some of the rules and regulations, you do have a

2010
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:24,759
Speaker 5: bit of the wild wild West. Because it's not only

2011
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:29,880
Speaker 5: in IL revenue sharing you got a transfer portal. You

2012
01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:34,000
Speaker 5: have cases where people are transferring at any point, regardless

2013
01:31:34,040 --> 01:31:37,640
Speaker 5: of portal, and they're retaining their eligibility per some of

2014
01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:40,960
Speaker 5: these cases, you have the JUCO landscape and whether they

2015
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:43,000
Speaker 5: make it all of the years or some of the

2016
01:31:43,080 --> 01:31:45,600
Speaker 5: years back going to Jukou. There are a lot of

2017
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:47,960
Speaker 5: things that are going on, and right now it just

2018
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:50,839
Speaker 5: seems like everywhere around us there's a bit of chaos.

2019
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:55,200
Speaker 5: At some point, you hope that life just settles down,

2020
01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:58,160
Speaker 5: that we're trible to find a middle ground, but right

2021
01:31:58,200 --> 01:32:02,960
Speaker 5: now it is crazy, and college athletics are really reflect that.

2022
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:06,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, in University of Arizona graduate and an NBA former

2023
01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:09,519
Speaker 2: NBA champion Richard Jefferson, he said this, why would you

2024
01:32:09,560 --> 01:32:14,160
Speaker 2: invest your money in something that isn't regulated? Yes, thank you, Richard,

2025
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:17,320
Speaker 2: it's not regulated. Then he says, quote, you put your

2026
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:19,960
Speaker 2: money into a pool. You could give a kid a

2027
01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:22,880
Speaker 2: million dollars and the next year someone could offer him

2028
01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:24,920
Speaker 2: one point one million and another.

2029
01:32:24,720 --> 01:32:26,200
Speaker 3: School and he could just go.

2030
01:32:26,760 --> 01:32:29,080
Speaker 2: If you want to invest in your school, invest in

2031
01:32:29,080 --> 01:32:33,120
Speaker 2: a practice facility, invest in something that could be actually used,

2032
01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:34,920
Speaker 2: if there's versus anything, just.

2033
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:37,799
Speaker 3: To buy players, That to me is a waste of time.

2034
01:32:37,960 --> 01:32:38,519
Speaker 3: I love that.

2035
01:32:38,720 --> 01:32:41,280
Speaker 2: So he know he gets it, he really does. So

2036
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:43,400
Speaker 2: what happens if he offer a kid a million dollars?

2037
01:32:43,400 --> 01:32:45,519
Speaker 2: He takes it and goes to another school the next year,

2038
01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:47,760
Speaker 2: He's not giving that money back, right, he was given

2039
01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:51,240
Speaker 2: a million dollars to attend school X, he didn't play much, whatever,

2040
01:32:51,280 --> 01:32:53,040
Speaker 2: he didn't like the coach. He's going to go back

2041
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:55,320
Speaker 2: in the portal the following year another school over to

2042
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:58,000
Speaker 2: a million point one. So he keeps that million and

2043
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:00,080
Speaker 2: he goes to another school. How does that work?

2044
01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:03,880
Speaker 5: I mean, right now, you can do whatever you wanna do,

2045
01:33:04,160 --> 01:33:06,960
Speaker 5: like they don't have true contracts, so everyone is just

2046
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:09,920
Speaker 5: kind of out here taking the best deal and you

2047
01:33:09,960 --> 01:33:15,160
Speaker 5: can't hold them accountable to anything. That's challenging. That's hard

2048
01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:18,760
Speaker 5: to to to do because you don't have regulations in

2049
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:23,439
Speaker 5: those things making it where you have contracts that are

2050
01:33:23,880 --> 01:33:27,360
Speaker 5: look legal and binding. If you're able to have some

2051
01:33:27,479 --> 01:33:29,559
Speaker 5: binding contracts, well then you can do more stuff and

2052
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:31,320
Speaker 5: you can you can hold people's feet to it far.

2053
01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:34,400
Speaker 5: I would say this because I think you express in

2054
01:33:34,439 --> 01:33:37,519
Speaker 5: one of the earliest segments, you expressed wanting uh a

2055
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:41,360
Speaker 5: little old school coaching. To me, the old school coaching

2056
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:44,120
Speaker 5: is now able to flourish because when you're making an

2057
01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:47,360
Speaker 5: above board transaction where everyone knows that you're getting paid,

2058
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:50,599
Speaker 5: you're getting your money. I now can coach you harder

2059
01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:52,640
Speaker 5: because you're getting money, and if you wanna continue to

2060
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:54,320
Speaker 5: get money, you gonna have to listen and do what

2061
01:33:54,360 --> 01:33:57,479
Speaker 5: I say. We're seeing more old school coaches have success

2062
01:33:57,520 --> 01:34:00,360
Speaker 5: doing that. Rick Barnes at Tennessee we heard the quote

2063
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:03,040
Speaker 5: we talked about the kid, that's what he's paid to do.

2064
01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:06,639
Speaker 5: We've heard Rick Patino talk about he has the best

2065
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:09,160
Speaker 5: team money could buy, and he took seedon Hall's best player.

2066
01:34:09,240 --> 01:34:12,080
Speaker 5: He coaches hard, but he coaches hard because he can

2067
01:34:12,160 --> 01:34:14,360
Speaker 5: dangle the carrot of the money.

2068
01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:16,799
Speaker 4: That is a game changer.

2069
01:34:16,920 --> 01:34:19,200
Speaker 5: And when everyone thinks that it means you have to

2070
01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:22,320
Speaker 5: go softer on kids because they're transferred. No, it means

2071
01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:25,200
Speaker 5: that you can actually go harder because they're getting paid

2072
01:34:25,240 --> 01:34:28,160
Speaker 5: to give provide a service and they're not providing the

2073
01:34:28,200 --> 01:34:29,559
Speaker 5: service to the level that you like.

2074
01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:32,639
Speaker 4: Well, then you have every right.

2075
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:34,800
Speaker 5: To go hard at them and demand more for them

2076
01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:36,559
Speaker 5: because that's what you're paying for.

2077
01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:38,920
Speaker 3: To become a job. Now it's an actual job.

2078
01:34:39,320 --> 01:34:41,840
Speaker 4: Really, it's always been a job.

2079
01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:45,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's always been a job. But now look,

2080
01:34:45,720 --> 01:34:49,120
Speaker 5: we're above board. Everyone knows exactly what it is. And

2081
01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:51,439
Speaker 5: now that you know, oh, I can go at you

2082
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:54,320
Speaker 5: hard because I'm going to get what I want out

2083
01:34:54,320 --> 01:34:57,000
Speaker 5: of you because it's a service industry, right.

2084
01:34:57,320 --> 01:34:59,160
Speaker 2: And there was an NBA old star. He didn't want

2085
01:34:59,160 --> 01:35:01,160
Speaker 2: to use his name in this deal, but he's given

2086
01:35:01,200 --> 01:35:03,120
Speaker 2: back to a school, he says, throughout his career, but

2087
01:35:03,240 --> 01:35:04,320
Speaker 2: never to nil.

2088
01:35:04,520 --> 01:35:06,599
Speaker 3: And there's a quote, you want me to.

2089
01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:09,599
Speaker 2: Pay two hundred and fifty thousand dollars just to get

2090
01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:11,880
Speaker 2: a guy to cut the play for my school, and

2091
01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:15,360
Speaker 2: then I have to watch and potentially average five points

2092
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:17,920
Speaker 2: a game and come off the bench. The market for

2093
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:21,519
Speaker 2: this stuff is crazy, thank you, thank you very much.

2094
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:23,920
Speaker 2: It is crazy. And you know what, I don't hear

2095
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:29,240
Speaker 2: a thing from the NCAA is powerless agreed, they really interesting.

2096
01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:36,360
Speaker 5: No juice, Yeah, no juice at all. There's there's nothing

2097
01:35:36,400 --> 01:35:39,120
Speaker 5: that they can say or do about any of this

2098
01:35:39,160 --> 01:35:40,280
Speaker 5: stuff right now.

2099
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:41,200
Speaker 4: It is what it is.

2100
01:35:41,479 --> 01:35:44,599
Speaker 3: It's sad. It's it really is sad. But really and truly,

2101
01:35:44,680 --> 01:35:46,639
Speaker 3: the conferences have more power than the nc double lety

2102
01:35:46,640 --> 01:35:48,240
Speaker 3: do what they want to do. They hopscotch.

2103
01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:52,120
Speaker 2: You know, when I see Maryland playing back to back

2104
01:35:52,120 --> 01:35:54,280
Speaker 2: schools on the West Coast because they're in the same conference,

2105
01:35:54,360 --> 01:35:57,200
Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't make any sense. Maybe I am

2106
01:35:57,240 --> 01:36:01,120
Speaker 2: too old school, I don't know. But I enjoyed backyard rivalries.

2107
01:36:01,160 --> 01:36:03,960
Speaker 2: I enjoyed Penn State West Virginia. I enjoyed that they

2108
01:36:03,960 --> 01:36:07,400
Speaker 2: don't have it anymore. I enjoyed Big five basketball in Philadelphia.

2109
01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:10,439
Speaker 2: I like rivalries. I mean, Navy's great, that's about the

2110
01:36:10,439 --> 01:36:13,560
Speaker 2: only one. Ohio State, Michigan. But when you have conferences

2111
01:36:13,640 --> 01:36:18,559
Speaker 2: jumping across country. I liked Oklahoma, Oklahoma State. I don't

2112
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:19,240
Speaker 2: see it anymore.

2113
01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:19,799
Speaker 3: It's gone.

2114
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:23,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, all that stuff is gone, and it's changed,

2115
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:27,200
Speaker 5: and we'll continue to adapt and adjust to all of

2116
01:36:27,240 --> 01:36:31,080
Speaker 5: it and we'll be fine when it comes down.

2117
01:36:31,160 --> 01:36:33,080
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just the thing.

2118
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:35,200
Speaker 5: I mean, who thought that we'd ever see a time

2119
01:36:35,200 --> 01:36:38,920
Speaker 5: where Texas and Oklahoma in the SEC. You know, you

2120
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:41,519
Speaker 5: talk about Cincinnati being in what they're the Big twelve. Now,

2121
01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:44,240
Speaker 5: I mean this, all of it, all of it is changing,

2122
01:36:44,280 --> 01:36:47,320
Speaker 5: all of it is different, but we always adapt and

2123
01:36:47,360 --> 01:36:48,040
Speaker 5: we'll figure it out.

2124
01:36:48,920 --> 01:36:51,519
Speaker 2: You know, that's funny you just mentioned that. And I

2125
01:36:51,560 --> 01:36:53,400
Speaker 2: remember back in the day when Cincinnati was in the

2126
01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:56,960
Speaker 2: AA seed the American Athletic Conference, which basically was a shade,

2127
01:36:57,000 --> 01:37:01,200
Speaker 2: a big shade below the Big Twelve. All of a sudden, now,

2128
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:04,200
Speaker 2: why would the Big twelve say, well, I think they're

2129
01:37:04,240 --> 01:37:06,320
Speaker 2: good enough to be in our conference. I mean, is

2130
01:37:06,360 --> 01:37:07,839
Speaker 2: that it? I don't I don't understand.

2131
01:37:07,880 --> 01:37:10,880
Speaker 3: I mean, the talent level is so different between the

2132
01:37:10,880 --> 01:37:13,880
Speaker 3: Big twelve and the AAC. And I get it. Cincinnati

2133
01:37:13,960 --> 01:37:15,040
Speaker 3: may never ever.

2134
01:37:14,920 --> 01:37:17,640
Speaker 2: Win a DAN thing in the Big twelve, but you

2135
01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:19,920
Speaker 2: know what, they'll win at the bank, They'll win in

2136
01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:22,679
Speaker 2: the pocketbook. The checkbook will be big, be a lot bigger.

2137
01:37:22,680 --> 01:37:25,320
Speaker 2: They're sharing a lot more money TV money, not getting

2138
01:37:25,320 --> 01:37:27,599
Speaker 2: a lot more exposure because they're hardly ever on TV

2139
01:37:27,720 --> 01:37:30,280
Speaker 2: now except ESPN Plus, and I'm not paying for that.

2140
01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:32,519
Speaker 2: But still in all, I guess the bottom line at

2141
01:37:32,520 --> 01:37:34,880
Speaker 2: the end of the day, fill those coffers with money.

2142
01:37:34,960 --> 01:37:38,000
Speaker 3: That's what they're doing. Wins may come, if not, who cares.

2143
01:37:38,120 --> 01:37:39,280
Speaker 3: We're getting a lot of money.

2144
01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:43,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, that's what it is, and that's what

2145
01:37:43,439 --> 01:37:47,160
Speaker 5: it continued to be. Like, it's about that part of it,

2146
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:49,439
Speaker 5: and you have to be in the right conference to

2147
01:37:49,479 --> 01:37:49,880
Speaker 5: get out.

2148
01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:51,840
Speaker 4: I had an interesting conversation.

2149
01:37:51,479 --> 01:37:54,120
Speaker 5: With the coach of a Big twelve team, and he

2150
01:37:54,240 --> 01:37:56,559
Speaker 5: talked about, like the Big twelve is when we have

2151
01:37:56,600 --> 01:38:01,600
Speaker 5: an opportunity, and we talked about how in football, like

2152
01:38:01,640 --> 01:38:03,759
Speaker 5: it used to be just about winning the national title.

2153
01:38:04,160 --> 01:38:07,920
Speaker 5: Now what's about getting into the playoffs? The playoff is Look,

2154
01:38:08,120 --> 01:38:10,880
Speaker 5: it's pretty symbolic, much like making a Final Four is

2155
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:15,120
Speaker 5: very symbolic in basketball. Your team can equate success to

2156
01:38:15,400 --> 01:38:18,360
Speaker 5: just making the playoff feel because for some teams that's

2157
01:38:18,360 --> 01:38:19,360
Speaker 5: all the server gonna be.

2158
01:38:19,680 --> 01:38:21,599
Speaker 4: When you're in the Big twelve, you're small. You're small.

2159
01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:25,720
Speaker 5: Acc think about SMU, there's a major accountment. Think about Indiana, like,

2160
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:28,120
Speaker 5: there's no real expectation that Indiana is going to be

2161
01:38:28,160 --> 01:38:30,679
Speaker 5: a powerhouse that Winston Natty. But if you get into

2162
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Speaker 5: the playoff, now that's a really good season. That is

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01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:36,719
Speaker 5: something that your school can get behind. That is where

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01:38:36,720 --> 01:38:39,439
Speaker 5: it changes. And that's where the nil, the revenue sharing,

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Speaker 5: all of those things are gonna make it more possible

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Speaker 5: for some lightweights to at least make the playoff field.

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Speaker 2: Especially to the expand Sodiana was exposed when they got

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Speaker 2: to the football playoffsy had a great regular season which

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01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:54,519
Speaker 2: they didn't play a lot of strong teams, and they

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Speaker 2: came there.

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Speaker 3: They were exposed. That got beat up pretty good in football.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, but some of that is due to

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01:38:59,360 --> 01:39:03,160
Speaker 5: the talent differential, right right, Some of it is due to,

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01:39:03,479 --> 01:39:05,719
Speaker 5: you know, the level of talent that they had or whatever.

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01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:10,160
Speaker 5: This year would be the litmus test for mister Signetti.

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Speaker 5: And you know he always talked about whooping tail and

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Speaker 5: beating people down.

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Speaker 4: That's what he's always done.

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Speaker 5: Well, we'll get a chance to see if he can't

2180
01:39:18,240 --> 01:39:20,080
Speaker 5: build upon what he started last year.

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01:39:20,640 --> 01:39:22,800
Speaker 3: Got to watch what you say sometimes make come back

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01:39:22,840 --> 01:39:26,679
Speaker 3: to haunt me. I know, but it's different over here

2183
01:39:26,720 --> 01:39:30,240
Speaker 3: because I don't get a lot of heat. But I've

2184
01:39:30,280 --> 01:39:32,600
Speaker 3: been known to say things that come back and on me.

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Speaker 3: It really does.

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Speaker 2: But that's what you do. You take a chance. You know,

2187
01:39:36,200 --> 01:39:38,160
Speaker 2: you got an opinion. You know, I got opinions on this.

2188
01:39:38,200 --> 01:39:40,320
Speaker 2: I think the nil stinks. I think the guys should

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01:39:40,320 --> 01:39:43,519
Speaker 2: get paid. Wo women don't get paid. You know, why

2190
01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:46,280
Speaker 2: should a basketball player, No, really, why should a basketball

2191
01:39:46,280 --> 01:39:48,839
Speaker 2: player at school A get more money than a basketball

2192
01:39:48,840 --> 01:39:51,519
Speaker 2: player in school be in the same conference? Really, I

2193
01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:54,120
Speaker 2: mean they're doing the same amount of work, the same conference.

2194
01:39:54,160 --> 01:39:56,240
Speaker 2: But it's not fair. I just don't think it's right.

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01:39:56,360 --> 01:39:59,840
Speaker 2: You know, do it for everybody, but do it across

2196
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Speaker 2: the board. You know, maybe have a structure, you know,

2197
01:40:02,280 --> 01:40:05,000
Speaker 2: have a budget to do something. But den CAA just

2198
01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:07,240
Speaker 2: sits around and I don't know what they're doing. They

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Speaker 2: really don't. They really don't. Bucky brooks Andy Ferva right

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Speaker 2: here at Fox Sports Sunday and by the way, for

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Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio up. And of course we have the playing

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Speaker 2: game at the end of this hour. But right now,

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Speaker 2: get to us with your comments on X at Bucky

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Speaker 2: Brooks at Andy Furman FSR. You got to have a

2214
01:40:46,760 --> 01:40:48,439
Speaker 2: phone call if you want to call us and talk

2215
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Speaker 2: ninety nine one Fox. That's eight seven seven nine nine

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Speaker 2: six sixty three sixty nine. And we're going to tell

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Speaker 2: you how NFL teams can free up money. That's next,

2219
01:41:02,479 --> 01:41:04,360
Speaker 2: all right, this is the easiest way. We'll get to

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Speaker 2: that in just about a minute. He's Bucky Brooks, I'm

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Speaker 2: Andy Furman. We are Fox Sports Sonny of Fox Sports. A. Ready,

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Speaker 2: we've got the Blame Game coming up about twelve thirteen

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Speaker 2: minutes from now, and well, lie from the tiraq dot

2224
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Speaker 2: com studios, and I'd like to share something with you,

2225
01:41:18,360 --> 01:41:21,080
Speaker 2: because this guy's a superstars so he deserves to get it.

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01:41:21,120 --> 01:41:22,760
Speaker 3: To set the stage for a second.

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Speaker 2: And we'll talk about Lebron James, And obviously Lebron James

2228
01:41:26,120 --> 01:41:30,400
Speaker 2: was asked about eventually passing the torch of being the

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01:41:30,439 --> 01:41:32,320
Speaker 2: face of the NBA. I think we have to agree

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01:41:32,560 --> 01:41:35,000
Speaker 2: he probably is the face of the of the NBA.

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01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:36,960
Speaker 2: Maybe Steph Curry is I don't know who do you

2232
01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:38,920
Speaker 2: think the face of the NBA is right now?

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Speaker 3: Is it Lebron Ron? Lebron is still the face because

2234
01:41:44,240 --> 01:41:46,080
Speaker 3: he's been there for so long. I guess that's why.

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01:41:46,600 --> 01:41:49,040
Speaker 2: But he says, and this is what he said the

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01:41:49,080 --> 01:41:51,439
Speaker 2: other day, he knows that the crown of being the

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01:41:51,479 --> 01:41:53,400
Speaker 2: face of the NBA is not really wanted, and he

2238
01:41:53,479 --> 01:41:55,840
Speaker 2: knows one of the reasons why nobody wants to be

2239
01:41:55,920 --> 01:41:59,559
Speaker 2: the face of the NBA. The ant man, Anthony Edwards.

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Speaker 2: They say he may be the potential next face of

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01:42:03,120 --> 01:42:06,400
Speaker 2: the league. But at the All Star weekend he said,

2242
01:42:07,160 --> 01:42:12,240
Speaker 2: I think Victor went Biyanna from San Antonio maybe the

2243
01:42:12,320 --> 01:42:15,719
Speaker 2: next face. But James said that he didn't take offense

2244
01:42:15,800 --> 01:42:18,719
Speaker 2: at the opinion of the ant man because he understands

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01:42:18,760 --> 01:42:21,040
Speaker 2: why nobody wants to be the face of the NBA.

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01:42:21,120 --> 01:42:24,920
Speaker 2: He says, because the media is out there to attack

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01:42:25,000 --> 01:42:28,639
Speaker 2: the players, they dump on him, they use whatever word

2248
01:42:28,680 --> 01:42:32,880
Speaker 2: he said to cover the team. They're negative. I don't

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01:42:32,920 --> 01:42:35,720
Speaker 2: think so, you know, I look at the NBA. I

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01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:39,400
Speaker 2: don't cover the NBA. I did some work for an

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01:42:39,479 --> 01:42:42,120
Speaker 2: NBA team back in the day, and I found that

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01:42:42,160 --> 01:42:45,680
Speaker 2: the NBA reporter is on a nightly basis somewhat congenial.

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01:42:45,720 --> 01:42:48,040
Speaker 2: Maybe they change to be a little more aggressive right now,

2254
01:42:48,520 --> 01:42:51,960
Speaker 2: but I think basically, by and large, they're somewhat easy,

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Speaker 2: and they're easy for fear of being taken away their

2256
01:42:55,520 --> 01:42:58,320
Speaker 2: access getting into the locker room. I think that's why

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01:42:58,320 --> 01:43:01,760
Speaker 2: they're easy. I don't see negativity in the NBA. I

2258
01:43:01,760 --> 01:43:06,439
Speaker 2: think he's pointing fingers at the NBA show with Shack.

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01:43:07,080 --> 01:43:09,599
Speaker 2: I think maybe that's what he's talking about with Charles Barkley.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Do you believe that the NBA coverage, according to Lebron James,

2262
01:43:14,200 --> 01:43:17,040
Speaker 2: is quite negative and that's why he shouldn't want to

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01:43:17,080 --> 01:43:18,240
Speaker 2: be the face of the NBA.

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Speaker 4: I agree with him. I think all of it is negative.

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01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:24,479
Speaker 5: I think we spend most of our time always picking

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01:43:24,479 --> 01:43:27,080
Speaker 5: out the bad and things as opposed to celebrating the

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01:43:27,160 --> 01:43:30,559
Speaker 5: positives As a player. Now, I think it's harder now

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01:43:30,600 --> 01:43:32,720
Speaker 5: than it's ever been to be a player because you

2269
01:43:32,800 --> 01:43:35,120
Speaker 5: have so many outside opinions, so many critiques.

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01:43:35,160 --> 01:43:36,240
Speaker 4: Everybody's an expert.

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01:43:36,520 --> 01:43:38,719
Speaker 5: You never can get away from it because social media

2272
01:43:38,760 --> 01:43:41,880
Speaker 5: has allowed people to have opinions that are voice to

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01:43:41,960 --> 01:43:47,040
Speaker 5: the masses without qualification. Yeah, so why would you want

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01:43:47,040 --> 01:43:48,519
Speaker 5: to be the face of the league when all they

2275
01:43:48,600 --> 01:43:50,840
Speaker 5: do is tear you down and poke out all your

2276
01:43:50,840 --> 01:43:52,400
Speaker 5: flaws and those things as opposed to.

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Speaker 4: Build you up.

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01:43:53,479 --> 01:43:57,280
Speaker 5: What happened there was a seismic shift in media coverage

2279
01:43:57,400 --> 01:44:00,840
Speaker 5: when Lebron rolls to prominence. And I will say this,

2280
01:44:02,240 --> 01:44:08,160
Speaker 5: Skipped Bayless and others made a lot of money, may

2281
01:44:08,320 --> 01:44:12,080
Speaker 5: gained a lot of popularity by always taking shots at Lebron.

2282
01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:15,720
Speaker 4: Like remember, there was a time where.

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01:44:16,360 --> 01:44:20,840
Speaker 5: The relationship between media member and player was always respectful.

2284
01:44:21,280 --> 01:44:24,320
Speaker 5: You could criticize the player, but it was never personal

2285
01:44:24,680 --> 01:44:28,000
Speaker 5: when it came to calling a player a scrub, calling

2286
01:44:28,080 --> 01:44:31,559
Speaker 5: Lebron the frozen one not the chosen one, and all

2287
01:44:31,600 --> 01:44:34,759
Speaker 5: of these little barbs and innuendows that have been levied

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01:44:34,800 --> 01:44:39,120
Speaker 5: at players from people who didn't play. That changed, and

2289
01:44:39,200 --> 01:44:41,920
Speaker 5: so that changed the tenor. That changed the relationship, and

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01:44:41,960 --> 01:44:46,200
Speaker 5: it became more acrimonious between players and media.

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Speaker 4: Members because of that. And as we.

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Speaker 5: Continued to go, everyone on our side, the media side,

2293
01:44:52,240 --> 01:44:54,559
Speaker 5: we're all looking for attention, and how do I get

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01:44:54,600 --> 01:44:58,920
Speaker 5: attention by having a contrarian take that is loud, that

2295
01:44:59,080 --> 01:45:04,120
Speaker 5: is outlanded, that takes it to another level to get attention. Yeah,

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01:45:04,160 --> 01:45:05,680
Speaker 5: So as a player, why would I want that? Why

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01:45:05,720 --> 01:45:06,960
Speaker 5: would I want to be the face of the league

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01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:09,960
Speaker 5: and subject to that every day? There's nothing that comes

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01:45:09,960 --> 01:45:12,080
Speaker 5: out of being the face of the league in a

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01:45:12,160 --> 01:45:14,560
Speaker 5: positive way. So yeah, I wouldn't want that. So I

2301
01:45:14,640 --> 01:45:16,479
Speaker 5: understand why Anthony Erwards wouldn't want that.

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Speaker 2: You know, I hear what you're saying, and you kind

2303
01:45:19,240 --> 01:45:22,519
Speaker 2: of hit a nerve with me because when you mentioned

2304
01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:25,320
Speaker 2: Skip Bayless, I mean when I hear about people covering

2305
01:45:25,320 --> 01:45:28,400
Speaker 2: the league, I'm thinking of beat reporters that travel with teams.

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Speaker 2: I can't tell you, and I don't know this, I

2307
01:45:30,640 --> 01:45:33,400
Speaker 2: guarantee you Skip Bayless has not been in an NBA

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01:45:33,640 --> 01:45:37,960
Speaker 2: locker room post game in years. You know, he's a

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01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:40,240
Speaker 2: guy that sits at the table and criticize.

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01:45:40,479 --> 01:45:40,960
Speaker 3: I get that.

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01:45:41,000 --> 01:45:43,599
Speaker 2: So I think there's a fine difference between the actual

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01:45:43,640 --> 01:45:46,400
Speaker 2: people that cover the league and guys that talk about

2313
01:45:46,400 --> 01:45:48,759
Speaker 2: it that don't really cover it on a daily basis.

2314
01:45:48,880 --> 01:45:50,920
Speaker 2: But I guess at the end of the day, Lebron

2315
01:45:51,000 --> 01:45:53,040
Speaker 2: hears it all. Although some of these athletes say they

2316
01:45:53,040 --> 01:45:54,920
Speaker 2: don't listen or hear about it, I guess he does.

2317
01:45:55,080 --> 01:45:57,840
Speaker 2: But he's got a forum, he's got Twitter. He makes

2318
01:45:57,880 --> 01:45:59,800
Speaker 2: a lot of comments about that, so you know, whatever

2319
01:45:59,840 --> 01:46:02,200
Speaker 2: they say, he could bounce back and say what he

2320
01:46:02,240 --> 01:46:03,759
Speaker 2: wants to say about these guys.

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Speaker 5: He has a time see see that's true.

2322
01:46:08,280 --> 01:46:09,400
Speaker 4: But it's also false.

2323
01:46:09,880 --> 01:46:12,200
Speaker 5: Right, He certainly can say it, but then it comes

2324
01:46:12,280 --> 01:46:15,000
Speaker 5: with like, oh, you've been a bully from the pulpit,

2325
01:46:15,320 --> 01:46:17,839
Speaker 5: so let's talk about our colleague. And I love our colleague,

2326
01:46:17,840 --> 01:46:21,599
Speaker 5: Doug Gottlieb. Right, Doug has taken some shots at Lebron

2327
01:46:21,680 --> 01:46:23,519
Speaker 5: and made it kind of personal at times when he's

2328
01:46:23,560 --> 01:46:25,360
Speaker 5: talked about Bronnie his son.

2329
01:46:25,800 --> 01:46:27,200
Speaker 4: But when Lebron.

2330
01:46:27,680 --> 01:46:31,760
Speaker 5: Mocked and joked Doug about the record and the struggles

2331
01:46:31,760 --> 01:46:34,960
Speaker 5: that he's having at UW. Green Bay, he came back like, well,

2332
01:46:34,960 --> 01:46:36,920
Speaker 5: why is he taking the time to bully.

2333
01:46:36,920 --> 01:46:39,000
Speaker 4: Gottle like, Nah, you can't have it both ways.

2334
01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:41,160
Speaker 5: If you want to engage in this fodder and you

2335
01:46:41,200 --> 01:46:42,920
Speaker 5: want to make it personal, then you have to be

2336
01:46:42,960 --> 01:46:46,320
Speaker 5: able to take it back. And there's so many other

2337
01:46:46,439 --> 01:46:49,640
Speaker 5: people who are kind of reckless with their words and

2338
01:46:49,720 --> 01:46:52,080
Speaker 5: are not held accountable to their words. They have to

2339
01:46:52,120 --> 01:46:54,800
Speaker 5: do it now. I faced it, right, I've faced it

2340
01:46:54,800 --> 01:46:56,800
Speaker 5: where I've walked into the locker rooms in Seattle where

2341
01:46:56,800 --> 01:47:00,040
Speaker 5: Earl Thomas has challenged me based on something that he

2342
01:47:00,120 --> 01:47:03,160
Speaker 5: felt like slighted him.

2343
01:47:02,760 --> 01:47:02,960
Speaker 4: You know.

2344
01:47:03,400 --> 01:47:06,000
Speaker 5: And so like, if you don't have to face those guys, yes,

2345
01:47:07,160 --> 01:47:10,240
Speaker 5: if you have to face the people that you talk about, well, yeah,

2346
01:47:10,320 --> 01:47:12,559
Speaker 5: that changes the way that you handle some of these

2347
01:47:12,600 --> 01:47:16,200
Speaker 5: conversations on air, because now you may have to see

2348
01:47:16,240 --> 01:47:18,920
Speaker 5: those guys and explain yourself. But yeah, if you're just

2349
01:47:19,000 --> 01:47:21,639
Speaker 5: lobbing these bombs and you never have to go face them, yeah,

2350
01:47:21,680 --> 01:47:24,320
Speaker 5: you can get bold and say outland his stuff and

2351
01:47:24,360 --> 01:47:27,640
Speaker 5: see it with an edge that is not necessarily suitable.

2352
01:47:28,200 --> 01:47:31,200
Speaker 4: And yeah, I understand why players get fired up about that.

2353
01:47:31,320 --> 01:47:33,120
Speaker 3: You know, you hit the target.

2354
01:47:33,320 --> 01:47:36,479
Speaker 2: I mean, you betabules, You're right, You're exactly Skip Bayless

2355
01:47:36,520 --> 01:47:39,120
Speaker 2: would say whatever he wants about Lebron and basically you

2356
01:47:39,160 --> 01:47:41,960
Speaker 2: could tell he hated Lebron James. Okay, And I think

2357
01:47:42,040 --> 01:47:44,120
Speaker 2: that's number one. You got to face the music. You

2358
01:47:44,160 --> 01:47:46,559
Speaker 2: want to say something about somebody, go see him. Okay,

2359
01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:48,960
Speaker 2: that's number one. Number two, I think there's gotta be

2360
01:47:49,680 --> 01:47:51,800
Speaker 2: I'm not saying this rule, but I think a personal

2361
01:47:51,920 --> 01:47:55,680
Speaker 2: rule for yourself. Keep it within the lines of the

2362
01:47:55,720 --> 01:47:59,360
Speaker 2: field or the court. I mean talk about family. Then why.

2363
01:47:59,680 --> 01:48:02,559
Speaker 3: I don't think there's any place to talk about family,

2364
01:48:02,760 --> 01:48:06,280
Speaker 3: anybody's family whatsoever. I had a problem years back.

2365
01:48:06,320 --> 01:48:09,080
Speaker 2: I did a postgame radio show after the Cincidi Reds

2366
01:48:09,080 --> 01:48:12,240
Speaker 2: baseball games, and I would comment on Rob Dibble and

2367
01:48:12,280 --> 01:48:14,280
Speaker 2: some of those guys. But I made it a point

2368
01:48:14,600 --> 01:48:16,479
Speaker 2: to get to the locker room the next day. I

2369
01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:19,799
Speaker 2: always did. And the late Tom Browning, I love Tom Brownie.

2370
01:48:19,800 --> 01:48:21,840
Speaker 2: He passed away several years ago. He wrote a book

2371
01:48:21,840 --> 01:48:23,519
Speaker 2: and he put me in his book saying that no

2372
01:48:23,560 --> 01:48:26,160
Speaker 2: matter what I had said, and I could be tough

2373
01:48:26,200 --> 01:48:28,400
Speaker 2: at times, I would show up in the locker room

2374
01:48:28,439 --> 01:48:31,240
Speaker 2: the next day. You got to you lose all credibility.

2375
01:48:31,439 --> 01:48:33,720
Speaker 2: You gotta go and show your face. And most of

2376
01:48:33,720 --> 01:48:36,719
Speaker 2: these guys don't. But I'm talking about the average guy

2377
01:48:36,840 --> 01:48:40,000
Speaker 2: who covers the NBA on a daily basis and travels

2378
01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:43,080
Speaker 2: with the team to beat reporters. I think they're somewhat fair,

2379
01:48:43,360 --> 01:48:46,280
Speaker 2: and they're fair to the extent that they almost formed

2380
01:48:46,280 --> 01:48:48,919
Speaker 2: these guys because they're afraid they're gonna lose their access,

2381
01:48:49,040 --> 01:48:51,120
Speaker 2: they'll have their press pass taken away from them. But

2382
01:48:51,160 --> 01:48:53,519
Speaker 2: you're right, the talk guys, the guys got behind the

2383
01:48:53,560 --> 01:48:57,519
Speaker 2: microphone talk radio guys in non NBA cities. They'll drew

2384
01:48:57,640 --> 01:49:00,200
Speaker 2: these guys for the sake of getting ratings and people

2385
01:49:00,240 --> 01:49:02,800
Speaker 2: to call them up and getting clicks. That's what they do.

2386
01:49:03,000 --> 01:49:05,800
Speaker 2: And I'm with Lebron, but that hasn't changed. That's been

2387
01:49:05,880 --> 01:49:06,599
Speaker 2: like that all the time.

2388
01:49:06,680 --> 01:49:08,920
Speaker 3: How many people back up, they called Mickey Meddler bum

2389
01:49:09,120 --> 01:49:12,720
Speaker 3: how many guys cole athletes who don't play that they're

2390
01:49:12,800 --> 01:49:16,040
Speaker 3: jacking And really it doesn't change, except now there's a

2391
01:49:16,040 --> 01:49:17,559
Speaker 3: bigger platform than ever before.

2392
01:49:18,880 --> 01:49:21,240
Speaker 5: Oh that's true. I mean, there certainly is a bigger platform.

2393
01:49:21,240 --> 01:49:26,120
Speaker 5: They're more voices. Twitter magnifies everything because it can blow

2394
01:49:26,160 --> 01:49:28,760
Speaker 5: everything up, you know, make it much bigger than it

2395
01:49:28,840 --> 01:49:30,960
Speaker 5: once appeared. And you have to be able to deal

2396
01:49:31,000 --> 01:49:33,400
Speaker 5: with that and I'm not saying that people should not

2397
01:49:33,400 --> 01:49:34,639
Speaker 5: be able to criticize players.

2398
01:49:34,680 --> 01:49:36,600
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that. I'm saying that people.

2399
01:49:36,360 --> 01:49:38,960
Speaker 5: Just have to be careful with their words because those

2400
01:49:39,080 --> 01:49:43,280
Speaker 5: words matter, and how you critique a player matters. You

2401
01:49:43,280 --> 01:49:45,479
Speaker 5: can critique the game, you can talk about like they

2402
01:49:45,520 --> 01:49:49,080
Speaker 5: have to improve in this area. This is what I see, YadA, YadA, YadA.

2403
01:49:49,120 --> 01:49:51,559
Speaker 5: But it's the extra stuff, the syrup that people put

2404
01:49:51,560 --> 01:49:54,160
Speaker 5: on the pancake that kind of drives.

2405
01:49:53,880 --> 01:49:56,720
Speaker 3: Oh, I hear right now. With the trade they say,

2406
01:49:56,720 --> 01:49:59,800
Speaker 3: they say, do just was you know, get it, give

2407
01:49:59,880 --> 01:50:00,439
Speaker 3: up the beer.

2408
01:50:00,720 --> 01:50:03,160
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, really, I don't think there's any

2409
01:50:03,160 --> 01:50:05,800
Speaker 2: place but the guy likes his beer. So what all right,

2410
01:50:05,880 --> 01:50:09,679
Speaker 2: He's not playing on a basketball game after drinking three beers,

2411
01:50:09,720 --> 01:50:10,479
Speaker 2: I promise you that.

2412
01:50:10,840 --> 01:50:11,600
Speaker 3: And I never met that.

2413
01:50:11,760 --> 01:50:14,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, and like even the thing would would would Luca

2414
01:50:14,520 --> 01:50:14,720
Speaker 4: like that?

2415
01:50:14,840 --> 01:50:16,920
Speaker 5: To me, that's that's not like like what that was

2416
01:50:16,920 --> 01:50:19,679
Speaker 5: coming out of Dallas or whatever, like them talking about

2417
01:50:19,680 --> 01:50:22,000
Speaker 5: conditioning and all of that stuff. Like I'm fine with that.

2418
01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:24,920
Speaker 5: I'm just saying it's the personal stuff. When people call

2419
01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:28,680
Speaker 5: people scrubs, when people say they suck, they're soft, they're

2420
01:50:29,000 --> 01:50:32,439
Speaker 5: they're bust like, you just have to be careful with

2421
01:50:32,520 --> 01:50:35,519
Speaker 5: how you do those things because, look, we sensationalize it

2422
01:50:35,560 --> 01:50:39,240
Speaker 5: because it does grab headlines and attention. However, to that

2423
01:50:39,320 --> 01:50:43,280
Speaker 5: person that is the subject of the criticism, man, they're

2424
01:50:43,320 --> 01:50:46,840
Speaker 5: not able to separate that and determine whatever. I've had

2425
01:50:46,880 --> 01:50:52,040
Speaker 5: conversations with guys like in the league who've been like, hey, man, look,

2426
01:50:52,120 --> 01:50:56,120
Speaker 5: some of this is unfortunately you are part of a

2427
01:50:56,160 --> 01:50:59,960
Speaker 5: soap opera that features real characters. Some of what we do,

2428
01:51:00,080 --> 01:51:03,200
Speaker 5: you and the media business and TV is our job

2429
01:51:03,280 --> 01:51:06,840
Speaker 5: is to entertain the viewers, the watchers, and sometimes we

2430
01:51:06,920 --> 01:51:09,599
Speaker 5: have to put a little extra on it playing TV.

2431
01:51:10,040 --> 01:51:12,240
Speaker 5: But just know, when I'm playing TV, this stuff is

2432
01:51:12,280 --> 01:51:13,080
Speaker 5: never personal.

2433
01:51:13,320 --> 01:51:14,200
Speaker 4: But some of it is.

2434
01:51:14,240 --> 01:51:17,439
Speaker 5: You have to take it up another notch to kind

2435
01:51:17,439 --> 01:51:19,879
Speaker 5: of make it entertaining. But you have to be careful

2436
01:51:19,920 --> 01:51:24,160
Speaker 5: about the theater being too personal. And there's a line

2437
01:51:24,160 --> 01:51:26,280
Speaker 5: that you can cross, and when you cross those lines,

2438
01:51:26,600 --> 01:51:28,200
Speaker 5: you then have to go see those players.

2439
01:51:29,120 --> 01:51:32,160
Speaker 2: Right now, as a former athlete, why don't even use

2440
01:51:32,160 --> 01:51:33,600
Speaker 2: the word for me. You're an athlete, you play in

2441
01:51:33,600 --> 01:51:34,040
Speaker 2: the NFL.

2442
01:51:34,640 --> 01:51:38,320
Speaker 3: Does it mean more from a person who played the

2443
01:51:38,400 --> 01:51:41,360
Speaker 3: game to criticize than some schmuck like me who never

2444
01:51:41,400 --> 01:51:44,679
Speaker 3: played the game. For example, you got that show inside

2445
01:51:44,720 --> 01:51:47,120
Speaker 3: the NBA, and you got Kenny the Jet who played

2446
01:51:47,120 --> 01:51:48,840
Speaker 3: the game. You got Shock he played the game.

2447
01:51:49,080 --> 01:51:52,360
Speaker 2: If they're criticizing, I think it means more there's a

2448
01:51:52,360 --> 01:51:54,360
Speaker 2: little more credibility to the players.

2449
01:51:54,400 --> 01:51:55,800
Speaker 3: Are they able to swallow that.

2450
01:51:55,720 --> 01:51:58,559
Speaker 2: Criticism better than if a guy like me comes on

2451
01:51:58,640 --> 01:52:01,519
Speaker 2: there and say, what the hell's he doing? Got lost

2452
01:52:01,520 --> 01:52:03,080
Speaker 2: on the crossover? Something like that.

2453
01:52:05,960 --> 01:52:09,960
Speaker 5: I would say that that players generally can respect opinions

2454
01:52:10,040 --> 01:52:13,720
Speaker 5: if they feel like those opinions are researched, well thought out,

2455
01:52:13,920 --> 01:52:19,040
Speaker 5: and delivered with the appropriate touch. What they can't stomach

2456
01:52:19,160 --> 01:52:21,280
Speaker 5: is when they feel like it's outlandish and the person

2457
01:52:21,320 --> 01:52:24,880
Speaker 5: that is making the critique doesn't have the facts. But

2458
01:52:24,920 --> 01:52:26,519
Speaker 5: I'll say this because I put this on some of

2459
01:52:26,520 --> 01:52:29,120
Speaker 5: the players, some of today's generation, they don't want to

2460
01:52:29,120 --> 01:52:31,720
Speaker 5: hear the negative. They've always been given the positive. They've

2461
01:52:31,760 --> 01:52:34,479
Speaker 5: never had to deal with the negative coming up. They

2462
01:52:34,479 --> 01:52:36,519
Speaker 5: may have been caught up by their coaches and people,

2463
01:52:36,520 --> 01:52:39,599
Speaker 5: and so they don't have a realistic view on what

2464
01:52:40,040 --> 01:52:44,680
Speaker 5: harsh criticism is is versus what constructive criticism is. And

2465
01:52:44,840 --> 01:52:47,799
Speaker 5: anything that you say negative comes off as.

2466
01:52:47,680 --> 01:52:50,160
Speaker 4: Oh, well, you just being a hater. No, I'm not hating.

2467
01:52:50,320 --> 01:52:52,439
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, when I look at your game, here

2468
01:52:52,439 --> 01:52:57,080
Speaker 5: are some weak spots that I need to tell the

2469
01:52:57,080 --> 01:52:59,320
Speaker 5: public when they're watching the game. That's my job to

2470
01:52:59,439 --> 01:53:02,599
Speaker 5: provide an elysis. So guys have to be a little tougher.

2471
01:53:02,680 --> 01:53:05,320
Speaker 5: But I'm saying from our side, the media side, we

2472
01:53:05,439 --> 01:53:07,439
Speaker 5: just need to make sure we try not to make

2473
01:53:07,479 --> 01:53:10,120
Speaker 5: these things personal as opposed to professional.

2474
01:53:10,680 --> 01:53:12,320
Speaker 3: Well, I never made it personal, but I did have

2475
01:53:12,360 --> 01:53:13,639
Speaker 3: a running with Ken Griffy Jr.

2476
01:53:13,680 --> 01:53:15,120
Speaker 2: At one point in time. There was a game and

2477
01:53:15,160 --> 01:53:17,320
Speaker 2: he didn't play for some reason. He left in the

2478
01:53:17,320 --> 01:53:18,600
Speaker 2: middle of the game, whatever it might be, and I

2479
01:53:18,680 --> 01:53:21,200
Speaker 2: went nuts on the radio and I said, what's he doing.

2480
01:53:21,240 --> 01:53:23,479
Speaker 2: He's sitting down and apparently I went back to the

2481
01:53:23,520 --> 01:53:26,519
Speaker 2: locker room the next day and we sat down and

2482
01:53:26,560 --> 01:53:27,920
Speaker 2: he was a little upset with me, but he told

2483
01:53:27,920 --> 01:53:29,880
Speaker 2: me he was six. Something happen And I went on

2484
01:53:29,920 --> 01:53:32,200
Speaker 2: the radio that next day and I said, I was

2485
01:53:32,240 --> 01:53:32,960
Speaker 2: down in the locker.

2486
01:53:32,840 --> 01:53:34,680
Speaker 3: Room, saw Ken Griffy Jr. Before the game.

2487
01:53:34,720 --> 01:53:36,719
Speaker 2: He told me exactly what happened. He hurt himself, whatever

2488
01:53:36,720 --> 01:53:38,519
Speaker 2: it was. He had a twinge. I mean it's an

2489
01:53:38,560 --> 01:53:40,519
Speaker 2: ac I don't know what it was, but he hurt

2490
01:53:40,600 --> 01:53:43,400
Speaker 2: himself and it worked out. Because if you show up,

2491
01:53:43,800 --> 01:53:47,959
Speaker 2: that's the key. You gotta show up because it shows respect.

2492
01:53:48,360 --> 01:53:51,880
Speaker 2: It shows respect. I'll say something maybe outlandish, maybe wrong,

2493
01:53:51,920 --> 01:53:53,960
Speaker 2: but if you show up, you could clear it up

2494
01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:54,920
Speaker 2: and it goes away.

2495
01:53:55,120 --> 01:53:57,200
Speaker 3: And that's basically what I did. I think a lot

2496
01:53:57,240 --> 01:54:00,960
Speaker 3: of guys tell you just can't throw stuff out there

2497
01:54:00,960 --> 01:54:04,200
Speaker 3: and expect not to get some feedback and sometimes negative feedback.

2498
01:54:05,760 --> 01:54:06,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2499
01:54:06,120 --> 01:54:08,599
Speaker 5: Like, and that's the thing you're gonna be that you

2500
01:54:08,640 --> 01:54:10,920
Speaker 5: have to show up and just do the thing. Everyone

2501
01:54:10,920 --> 01:54:12,200
Speaker 5: can take it. But if you show up in the

2502
01:54:12,200 --> 01:54:15,640
Speaker 5: locker room, good batter indifferent and if you're willing to

2503
01:54:15,720 --> 01:54:17,760
Speaker 5: engage in the conversation, you say, hey, I saw what

2504
01:54:17,800 --> 01:54:18,280
Speaker 5: you've written.

2505
01:54:18,920 --> 01:54:19,920
Speaker 4: Why'd you feel that way?

2506
01:54:20,680 --> 01:54:23,400
Speaker 5: But you can't you can't shrink in that moment when

2507
01:54:23,479 --> 01:54:26,160
Speaker 5: challenged by a player on a critique that you offered

2508
01:54:26,280 --> 01:54:28,599
Speaker 5: on set. Player, you have to be willing to stand

2509
01:54:28,600 --> 01:54:29,559
Speaker 5: in the fire and deal with that.

2510
01:54:29,840 --> 01:54:31,559
Speaker 2: Sometimes you got to eat a bowl, if you know what.

2511
01:54:32,320 --> 01:54:34,320
Speaker 2: Sometimes you got to there you go.

2512
01:54:34,280 --> 01:54:36,400
Speaker 4: Oh, Sometimes you just got to stand your ground.

2513
01:54:36,680 --> 01:54:39,680
Speaker 2: I agree I agree, that's the way it is, and Lebron,

2514
01:54:40,120 --> 01:54:42,840
Speaker 2: you know I agree to some extent. But again, you know,

2515
01:54:43,240 --> 01:54:46,640
Speaker 2: it comes with the territory. Sorry, that's just basically what

2516
01:54:46,720 --> 01:54:48,280
Speaker 2: it is, comes to the territory.

2517
01:54:48,280 --> 01:54:48,760
Speaker 3: We move on.

2518
01:54:49,080 --> 01:54:51,960
Speaker 2: He's Bucky Brooks Ay Firm, and we are Fox Sports

2519
01:54:51,960 --> 01:54:55,240
Speaker 2: Sunday on Fox. But read you know it's never your fault?

2520
01:54:55,560 --> 01:54:59,360
Speaker 2: Is it the playing game? Hey, it's freaking next, all right.

2521
01:54:59,200 --> 01:55:01,200
Speaker 3: The playing game? Right around the band. About eleven minutes

2522
01:55:01,240 --> 01:55:02,600
Speaker 3: time before the top of the hour, I want.

2523
01:55:02,480 --> 01:55:06,400
Speaker 2: To thank our great staff, Patty, our executive director, Magic

2524
01:55:06,520 --> 01:55:09,560
Speaker 2: Mark Ramsey. I'll tell you why running the controls. Oh,

2525
01:55:09,600 --> 01:55:12,280
Speaker 2: my great partner, my great party is the best. He

2526
01:55:12,400 --> 01:55:15,320
Speaker 2: really is, Bucky Brooks know him better than that. And

2527
01:55:15,320 --> 01:55:17,120
Speaker 2: by the way, top of the hour, nine o'clock Easton,

2528
01:55:17,320 --> 01:55:20,680
Speaker 2: Brian O, Jeff Schwartz and Bill Krakenberger will give you

2529
01:55:20,720 --> 01:55:22,880
Speaker 2: the best previewing all the games today.

2530
01:55:22,880 --> 01:55:25,200
Speaker 3: But right now it's time. But before we do that,

2531
01:55:25,520 --> 01:55:27,840
Speaker 3: before we gotta tell your life from the Tirack dot

2532
01:55:27,840 --> 01:55:30,720
Speaker 3: com studios. But right now it's time for the blame game.

2533
01:55:30,880 --> 01:55:34,880
Speaker 3: You with me. It's all your fault, No, it's your fault.

2534
01:55:35,000 --> 01:55:36,360
Speaker 1: What is all your fault.

2535
01:55:39,840 --> 01:55:42,280
Speaker 3: Maybe it's everyone's faults.

2536
01:55:42,440 --> 01:55:45,080
Speaker 1: He's a liar. That's why there's the blame game, the

2537
01:55:45,120 --> 01:55:45,640
Speaker 1: blame game.

2538
01:55:45,760 --> 01:55:48,840
Speaker 3: Let's figure out who to blame. He's a liar. I

2539
01:55:48,960 --> 01:55:51,680
Speaker 3: know he's not. He's a patty. It's all yours, baby.

2540
01:55:51,880 --> 01:55:54,200
Speaker 7: I am not a liar, Guys, I speak nothing but

2541
01:55:54,360 --> 01:55:57,080
Speaker 7: the truth here. But you know what, let's blame some

2542
01:55:57,160 --> 01:55:59,520
Speaker 7: people here for this. So let's start us off here.

2543
01:55:59,560 --> 01:56:03,800
Speaker 7: The of Texas will be raising football season ticket prices

2544
01:56:03,840 --> 01:56:07,200
Speaker 7: by thirteen dollars per game next season, trying to meet

2545
01:56:07,280 --> 01:56:10,040
Speaker 7: a rising costs. The program is one of the richest

2546
01:56:10,080 --> 01:56:15,040
Speaker 7: in the nation. Not, who do you blame? Andy, You

2547
01:56:15,080 --> 01:56:15,839
Speaker 7: get to go first.

2548
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:18,600
Speaker 2: You know what, this really stinks. You know, there's a

2549
01:56:18,680 --> 01:56:20,480
Speaker 2: myriad of people you can blame. You cold, Blame the

2550
01:56:20,520 --> 01:56:22,680
Speaker 2: athletic department because they want to have raised money for scholarships.

2551
01:56:22,800 --> 01:56:25,080
Speaker 2: Blame the nilgus they want to play these players. You

2552
01:56:25,120 --> 01:56:27,240
Speaker 2: know what stinks. Buddy of mine call me just the

2553
01:56:27,280 --> 01:56:29,040
Speaker 2: other day and he said he was going to a

2554
01:56:29,040 --> 01:56:31,680
Speaker 2: minor league baseball game in Arizona to see the Giants play.

2555
01:56:32,000 --> 01:56:35,680
Speaker 3: Sixty seven bucks for a minor league baseball game right

2556
01:56:36,080 --> 01:56:39,920
Speaker 3: spring training game and our sixty seven dollars for one ticket.

2557
01:56:40,160 --> 01:56:43,080
Speaker 3: Give me a break, give me a thirteen dollars a game.

2558
01:56:43,080 --> 01:56:45,120
Speaker 2: They didn't tell me how much the tickets are gonna

2559
01:56:45,120 --> 01:56:48,320
Speaker 2: cost off of Texas just screwing the fans. The average

2560
01:56:48,320 --> 01:56:51,200
Speaker 2: fan has no choice. But I'm blaming the athletic department.

2561
01:56:51,400 --> 01:56:54,800
Speaker 2: You gotta hold the costs down. You gotta hold them down.

2562
01:56:54,960 --> 01:57:00,000
Speaker 3: Please. I blame you, Texas. I blame you.

2563
01:57:00,120 --> 01:57:03,200
Speaker 4: I mean, look, it's the cost of doing business. This

2564
01:57:03,280 --> 01:57:04,800
Speaker 4: is what you have to do. Every year.

2565
01:57:04,840 --> 01:57:08,080
Speaker 5: Ticket prices raise up cost of living, inflation.

2566
01:57:08,200 --> 01:57:10,760
Speaker 4: It's part of it. Like twelve dollars, thirteen dollars, Like

2567
01:57:11,000 --> 01:57:12,400
Speaker 4: you gotta suck it up. You don't have to go

2568
01:57:12,440 --> 01:57:13,440
Speaker 4: to the game, but if you want to go to

2569
01:57:13,440 --> 01:57:14,160
Speaker 4: the game, you gotta pack.

2570
01:57:15,480 --> 01:57:19,480
Speaker 8: All right, all right, well I'm with that. I'm with that. Guys. Well,

2571
01:57:19,480 --> 01:57:21,400
Speaker 8: we're gonna move on to a different one here.

2572
01:57:21,440 --> 01:57:23,400
Speaker 7: It's actually something we've kind of talked about a little

2573
01:57:23,400 --> 01:57:24,120
Speaker 7: bit earlier today.

2574
01:57:24,600 --> 01:57:27,920
Speaker 8: The toush push maybe a thing in the past. Who

2575
01:57:27,960 --> 01:57:29,600
Speaker 8: do you blame, Bucky.

2576
01:57:30,560 --> 01:57:32,720
Speaker 5: Oh, the cry babies, the guys that can't stop it,

2577
01:57:32,760 --> 01:57:35,880
Speaker 5: who are always whining and moaning because they found a

2578
01:57:35,920 --> 01:57:37,920
Speaker 5: play that they're having a tough time defending, so what

2579
01:57:37,960 --> 01:57:38,440
Speaker 5: they want to do.

2580
01:57:38,520 --> 01:57:39,440
Speaker 4: Is legislate it out.

2581
01:57:39,720 --> 01:57:41,640
Speaker 5: At some point, you got you gotta buck up. You

2582
01:57:41,640 --> 01:57:43,120
Speaker 5: gotta figure out a way to stop it, like the

2583
01:57:43,200 --> 01:57:46,000
Speaker 5: league shouldn't build these coaches and players out find a

2584
01:57:46,000 --> 01:57:48,440
Speaker 5: way to stop it. Everyone else can run it. Either

2585
01:57:48,520 --> 01:57:50,880
Speaker 5: run it like them or find a way to eliminate it.

2586
01:57:52,360 --> 01:57:54,880
Speaker 2: I hate agreeing with Bucky Brooks. I love it the

2587
01:57:54,960 --> 01:57:58,800
Speaker 2: death but some rest trump. Yes, but I do agree.

2588
01:57:58,880 --> 01:58:00,880
Speaker 2: You know you can't stop. But see you're gonna whine

2589
01:58:00,920 --> 01:58:02,800
Speaker 2: and cry, so you're gonna try to get rid of it.

2590
01:58:02,840 --> 01:58:05,560
Speaker 3: You know what, do it? You know what, Draft those.

2591
01:58:05,360 --> 01:58:08,000
Speaker 2: Big monsters on the offensive line, then you'll be able

2592
01:58:08,000 --> 01:58:10,080
Speaker 2: to do it. Okay, you can't stop it, so you

2593
01:58:10,120 --> 01:58:13,520
Speaker 2: want the Philadelphia Eagles to stop it? I mean, come on,

2594
01:58:13,560 --> 01:58:16,000
Speaker 2: it doesn't work that way. It's your fault. You're a fault.

2595
01:58:16,000 --> 01:58:18,120
Speaker 2: You can't stop losing. Coaches are getting it done.

2596
01:58:18,240 --> 01:58:19,880
Speaker 3: It's there full well.

2597
01:58:19,920 --> 01:58:23,959
Speaker 7: Speaking of who what may or may be their fault here, Miami,

2598
01:58:24,480 --> 01:58:28,680
Speaker 7: you quarterback Cam Moore didn't throw at the combine this year?

2599
01:58:29,000 --> 01:58:30,400
Speaker 8: Who do you blame? Andy?

2600
01:58:30,880 --> 01:58:33,400
Speaker 2: Probably his agent. His agent probably said you know what

2601
01:58:33,520 --> 01:58:34,280
Speaker 2: be a good move for you?

2602
01:58:34,320 --> 01:58:35,720
Speaker 3: Not to throw? You can only hurt yourself.

2603
01:58:35,760 --> 01:58:38,040
Speaker 2: You're probably gonna be theirs, not the first, probably the

2604
01:58:38,080 --> 01:58:40,600
Speaker 2: second player picked in the draft this year. You know

2605
01:58:40,640 --> 01:58:44,120
Speaker 2: there's only two decent quarterbacks coming out this year, So

2606
01:58:44,360 --> 01:58:47,600
Speaker 2: why damage yourself? Go there, answer the questions, answer the

2607
01:58:47,640 --> 01:58:50,480
Speaker 2: psychological questions, but don't throw, you know, save it for

2608
01:58:50,520 --> 01:58:51,960
Speaker 2: those pro days on campus.

2609
01:58:52,120 --> 01:58:53,360
Speaker 3: Well even you.

2610
01:58:53,320 --> 01:58:55,360
Speaker 2: Would look good, Patty, you would look good on a

2611
01:58:55,360 --> 01:59:04,000
Speaker 2: pro day, which is agent's.

2612
01:59:00,200 --> 01:59:00,960
Speaker 4: A change in time.

2613
01:59:01,360 --> 01:59:03,320
Speaker 5: Look, all of these scalts can't figure out who can

2614
01:59:03,360 --> 01:59:06,400
Speaker 5: and who can't play. I want to have these extra workouts.

2615
01:59:06,440 --> 01:59:08,839
Speaker 5: Look the guy played for four or five years in college.

2616
01:59:08,880 --> 01:59:10,560
Speaker 5: If you can't determine if you can throw an out,

2617
01:59:10,800 --> 01:59:12,520
Speaker 5: that's on you. I don't know why some of these

2618
01:59:12,560 --> 01:59:15,040
Speaker 5: guys are working out anyway. There's more enough tape. The

2619
01:59:15,120 --> 01:59:16,720
Speaker 5: risk is all on them. If they get hurt doing

2620
01:59:16,720 --> 01:59:19,840
Speaker 5: a workout, it's all over. So yeah, I've done enough.

2621
01:59:20,000 --> 01:59:21,839
Speaker 5: I'm sitting on the side. I think it's the scouts

2622
01:59:21,840 --> 01:59:22,680
Speaker 5: fault that has happened.

2623
01:59:23,160 --> 01:59:25,120
Speaker 7: All right, Well find a one for the day, guys.

2624
01:59:25,160 --> 01:59:29,080
Speaker 7: The Northwestern women's basketball teams January games at UCLA and

2625
01:59:29,200 --> 01:59:33,839
Speaker 7: USC will not be rescheduled. The January twelve and fifteenth

2626
01:59:34,040 --> 01:59:38,400
Speaker 7: games were originally postponed because of the wildfires that we're raging,

2627
01:59:38,480 --> 01:59:41,720
Speaker 7: you know, around here out in LA. The Wildcats announced

2628
01:59:41,720 --> 01:59:44,360
Speaker 7: they will not travel to LA for the games January tenth.

2629
01:59:44,400 --> 01:59:48,640
Speaker 7: Per conference rules, forfeitures will be assessed to Northwestern, resulting

2630
01:59:48,760 --> 01:59:55,440
Speaker 7: in two losses. Who do you blame, Bucky.

2631
01:59:53,600 --> 01:59:56,960
Speaker 5: Man, I've blamed the Big Ten for lack of empathy.

2632
01:59:57,160 --> 01:59:59,720
Speaker 5: The fires that are fires. You can kindaize Northwestern for

2633
01:59:59,760 --> 02:00:02,920
Speaker 5: not one out there. It's costly, you.

2634
02:00:02,880 --> 02:00:05,280
Speaker 3: Know, this is common sense. I'm agreeing with you again.

2635
02:00:05,600 --> 02:00:06,960
Speaker 3: I'm on your back, I really am.

2636
02:00:07,200 --> 02:00:11,480
Speaker 2: How could the conference forfeit these games simply because there

2637
02:00:11,600 --> 02:00:12,080
Speaker 2: was fires?

2638
02:00:12,080 --> 02:00:14,080
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just crazy. You wanted to guard that

2639
02:00:14,160 --> 02:00:15,520
Speaker 3: did the fires? Oh,