1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,199 Speaker 1: I was not in any way saying that he's bad. 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 2: I was saying that you've got to be careful how 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 2: you allocate your money when you have a limited payroll, 4 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 2: which I think he'd agree. 5 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:10,399 Speaker 1: Kansas City does. 6 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 3: Hey, we've got David Sampson back on the show, looking good, 7 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 3: like the I like the jacket. 8 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 4: David, Good to see you. 9 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 3: And before you even say anything, I just want to 10 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 3: make sure I get some plugs in there. Nothing personal 11 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 3: with David Sampson. He's on every day, he's streaming live 12 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 3: in the mornings. He's on the network with LeBatard on 13 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 3: that show as well. I listen very frequently, especially when 14 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 3: there's juicy business talk. 15 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 4: I'm like, all right, let me see what. 16 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 3: David has to say about this first before I make 17 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:40,599 Speaker 3: my opinion. 18 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 4: Heard on FT, how you. 19 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: Doing, I'm doing well, Thanks for having me. 20 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 4: All right. 21 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 3: So I want to start with the major sale that 22 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 3: lets us know that it is still very healthy to 23 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 3: own a franchise. And I know it's the Lakers, but 24 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 3: they sold for ten billion dollars to Mark Walter in Company, 25 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:00,959 Speaker 3: the Dodgers owner, So we have done a pretty nice 26 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 3: job with the organization. 27 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 5: We're talking about the Rays being sold. 28 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 4: Sorry, well we're going to do that too. That's two. 29 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 4: I figured I would start with the bigger said. 30 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 5: The Baseball show, though, Scott, you can't talk about other sports, but. 31 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 3: It's a baseball owner now who's going to dip into 32 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 3: the Lakers world. 33 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 4: So what were your thoughts when you saw that news? 34 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I thought ten billion was a 35 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 2: pretty healthy number, and then I realized that we really 36 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 2: don't know what the final number is because it weighs 37 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 2: how much debt is on the team, how much is 38 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 2: Mark Walter going to buy. 39 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: He already owns a percentage of the team. 40 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 2: You can peg a value at a number that has 41 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 2: the wow factor, but you really have to dig into 42 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 2: the agreement to see exactly where he's investing at what number. 43 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 2: But it is pretty sexy to say ten billion dollars, 44 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 2: There's no doubt about it. And Mark Walter owning the 45 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 2: Lakers is going to be interesting because he's going to 46 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 2: be knee deep in a salary cap league where he's 47 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 2: lived in a baseball world where he can outspend everyone 48 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 2: and use his money in a way that is almost 49 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 2: like a bully, and in basketball that just is not 50 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 2: the opportunity. 51 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 4: That's true. That's true. Basketball is much less. 52 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 5: Lebron, and Lebron's the greatest player. He's not anymore. 53 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 4: Wait, but also we can do this. We have a 54 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 4: photo to show David. I mean, make him a three 55 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 4: way player. He probably can heo. I bet you he 56 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 4: can dunk. 57 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 5: I don't think so. 58 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:34,519 Speaker 6: Now I'm gonna say no, because he's never he didn't 59 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 6: grow up doing it. I grew up playing baseball in Japan. 60 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 5: Think of dunk? 61 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 4: I bet, but yeah, you can dunk. He can jump. 62 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 3: All right, anyway, let's let's get to the juice here. 63 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 3: You got something, and then we'll get to we'll get 64 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 3: I would say that. 65 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 2: One of the prohibited activities in Otani's contract is likely 66 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 2: professional basketball. Put that along with racquetball and skydiving. But 67 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 2: I would say that him in a Lakers uniform, he 68 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 2: has a better chance of being a cheerleader than he 69 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 2: does of being a NBA player. 70 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 4: True, no ATVs either. All right, get to your state. 71 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 6: Let's talk Florida. Let's talk Florida baseball here. Not do 72 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 6: you know anything about that? You never owned, you were 73 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 6: never around in owner of a team of a team 74 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 6: in Florida. Right, you didn't know anything about that. What's 75 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 6: the deal with the letter of intent? Does that mean 76 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 6: they signed to go to college, they get a good 77 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 6: dorm their first year? What does this mean for the 78 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 6: rays in Patrick Zolowski. 79 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 2: So, when you're going through selling your franchise and there's 80 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 2: a bunch of different groups who are bidding on it, 81 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 2: sometimes you enter into an exclusive negotiating period with one 82 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 2: of the parties, and that doesn't mean that's the party 83 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 2: that will end up buying the team. As a matter 84 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 2: of fact, when the Marlins sold to Jeter back in 85 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 2: seventeen and Bruce Sherman, there was an exclusive negotiating period 86 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 2: with a totally different party and during that period, that's 87 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 2: the only people we negotiated with, Wink Wink. That's the 88 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 2: only people who had access to the books at that time, 89 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,839 Speaker 2: Wink Wink. And then when that period ends, either there's 90 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 2: a breakup fee involved if a deal doesn't happen, where 91 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 2: one side or the other gets a payment for having 92 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 2: that exclusive period, and then you move on to the 93 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 2: next group. So I don't know that it necessarily means 94 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 2: that a deal is set in stone, as opposed to 95 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 2: what you said, And I haven't read that an actual 96 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 2: letter of intent. There are two kinds of those, one 97 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 2: that's binding and one that's not binding. If you have 98 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 2: a binding letter of intent, there's an argument to say 99 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 2: that that really is a purchase agreement. That's the beginning 100 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 2: of a purchase agreement, and that's not an exclusive period. 101 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 2: That's a hey, we're gonna not date, we're getting married. 102 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 2: A non binding letter of intent means let's go to 103 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 2: a movie, maybe dinner, see what happens on a random Thursday, 104 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 2: and then we'll decide if we're gonna get married. 105 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 7: Does this mean Stu Starnberg's just like saying, Hey, I 106 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 7: want to talk to you and see how you would 107 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 7: run the team, to try to get ideas on how 108 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 7: to do stuff. Or is this a moving to they 109 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 7: want to have a second date. 110 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 2: Oh, I would say, when you're an exclusive negotiating period, 111 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 2: you are definitely having second and third dates and you're 112 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 2: not digging for information. I really didn't care how new 113 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 2: owners were going to run the Marlins. I knew they'd 114 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 2: have to trade stanton, etc. But it didn't really matter 115 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,559 Speaker 2: to me. I was focused on the total price, meaning 116 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 2: the entire enterprise valuation, which like in the Lakers cases 117 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 2: rumored to be ten billion, and then what gets subtracted 118 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 2: from that. So in a negotiation, they may look at 119 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 2: a contract and say, well, we don't really want to 120 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 2: pay for that, We don't want to pay for that 121 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 2: person or this player or that item, and then you 122 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 2: subtract that from the total amount of what's called the 123 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 2: enterprise valuation. So this is just a lot of negotiating 124 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 2: that goes on back and forth. These are long, complicated documents, 125 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 2: hundreds of pages, and it's just starting. So for me, 126 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 2: both the Rays and the Lakers announcement was not anything 127 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 2: that's ready to be approved by owners in each specific sport. 128 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,239 Speaker 2: This is sort of the beginning of getting to that point. 129 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 5: How will the new owner make it work? 130 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 4: How? 131 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 7: How how is he going to make it work in 132 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 7: an area that it hasn't worked? Does he have to 133 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 7: change locations? 134 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 1: Yeah? 135 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,679 Speaker 2: From where I'm sitting, I don't see how anything works 136 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 2: in Saint Petersburg, and I think they'll be out of 137 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 2: Saint Petersburg. I know that Rob Manford, the commissioner, has 138 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 2: said he wants a team in Tampa. He told Ron DeSantis, 139 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 2: the governor, he wants a team in Tampa. But with 140 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 2: that and a dollar, you know, you have a dollar. 141 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 2: So I think that if a new owner can get 142 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 2: a deal done in Tampa, that would be preferable. 143 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: But you don't know right now. 144 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 2: But in order for a new owner to be approved, 145 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 2: there's going to have to be some sort of stadium 146 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 2: plan because remember the Rays are time certain out of 147 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 2: the drop. They have a lease that's expiring, and so 148 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 2: they've got to get going on some construction. 149 00:06:57,920 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 1: So all of this is related. 150 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 2: And a quick example, if a new owner has to 151 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 2: pay a disproportionate amount for a new ballpark in Tampa, 152 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 2: dollars are fungible, he's going to offer less for the franchise. 153 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 2: If it's a really fully publicly funded ballpark, that leaves 154 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 2: free cash to offer more for the franchise. So there's 155 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 2: a lot of negotiating left. 156 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 3: This one's easy for us to talk about. I'm a 157 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 3: huge fan of Hunger Root. They're delivering groceries that we 158 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 3: want and groceries that we didn't know we want but 159 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 3: we want. 160 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, every box that I get from Hunger Root 161 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 6: has a new snack in it. Then I'm like, oh, 162 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 6: this looks interesting, and then I try it. I'm like oh, 163 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 6: I might need some more of those. So they're great 164 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 6: at not only getting the groceries you want, but they 165 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 6: surprised you with tasty little treats that you didn't. 166 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 5: Know you needed. 167 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 4: Agreed, turkey jerky. 168 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 3: There's like a chocolate pudding thing where I'm like, I'm 169 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 3: not a big chocolate pudding fan, than I have it, 170 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 3: and I'm like, this is awesome. 171 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 4: So they can cater to your knee. 172 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 3: You got gluten free, or you're looking for a certain 173 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 3: diet that you want to fulfill, or there are certain 174 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 3: items that you love. They learn along with you. You 175 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 3: let them know your preferences. They just nail it. Take 176 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 3: advantage of the exclusive FT offer. Please, for a limited time, 177 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 3: get forty percent off your first box, plus get a 178 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 3: free item in every box for life. Go to Hunger 179 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 3: dot com slash ft use code FT that's hungryroot dot 180 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 3: com slash ft code FT to get forty percent off 181 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 3: your first box and a free item of your choice 182 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 3: for life. 183 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 6: My thing is David. Listen, get a bidding war going 184 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,679 Speaker 6: between Orlando and Tampa. I mean I live in Orlando. 185 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:28,559 Speaker 6: I can throw in a dollar then they are already 186 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 6: a dollar ahead of what you're gonna throw in for Tampa, 187 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 6: so we're up a dollar already, we win, Okay, right, 188 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 6: That's that's what I would do if I was the owner, 189 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 6: if I was trying to do this, because Orlando clearly 190 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 6: wants a team, would like to have a team. Tampa 191 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 6: Bay wants a team, but I don't think Saint Pete works. 192 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 6: It's gotta be in Tampa proper. So get a little 193 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 6: bitting war and see who wins and they take the 194 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 6: But it's got to happen fast, right, because like you said, 195 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 6: the Trump is gonna be gone soon and so I 196 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 6: don't know. 197 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 5: We'll see what happens. It's gonna be fascinating. 198 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 6: We're gonna have to have you on talk about this 199 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 6: a little more because I'm fascinated by this whole thing. Now, 200 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 6: let's talk about you and Whitman, Harryfield, how you guys 201 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 6: are best friends, and how you guys are talking about 202 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 6: going on your date, like you said, to the movies 203 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 6: and all that stuff. Because you listen. I'm a Gator fan. 204 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 6: I've watched Jack Cagle on for years. I was like, great, 205 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 6: call him up. You had a call had you had 206 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 6: a contrasting argument, saying like you should have waited ten 207 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 6: to fifteen days or whatever it is. 208 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 5: Can you explain why that makes more sense than just 209 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 5: calling him up when they did. 210 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 2: Well, I like, wait, by the way, so if he 211 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,079 Speaker 2: wants to go on a date, I am all for it. 212 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 2: And I think people misunderstood what I said because I 213 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 2: think Jack is going to be a great player. And 214 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 2: if I thought he was going to stink, then who 215 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 2: cares when you bring him up because he's not going 216 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 2: to make it. But if you have a player who's 217 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 2: going to make it to arbitration, if you give that 218 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 2: player Super two status, what that means is they have 219 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 2: an fourth year of arbitration. What that means, instead of 220 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 2: being paid the minimum just call it a million dollars, 221 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 2: they're being paid four million dollars. And that's three million 222 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 2: dollars spent on a player that you could spend on 223 00:09:58,160 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 2: other players. 224 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: And that's only year one. 225 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 2: Then year two becomes your second year of arbitration instead 226 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 2: of your first. That's another four million extra dollars. So 227 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 2: by calling them up when they did, they're risking losing 228 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 2: like eight million dollars. And if you're a team like 229 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 2: Kansas City, frankly, if you're a team like Boston anybody. 230 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 2: You don't throw away that kind of money for an 231 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 2: extra two weeks. It just does not make sense. But 232 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 2: with I think misunderstood. I was not in any way 233 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 2: saying that he's bad. I was saying that you've got 234 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 2: to be careful how you allocate your money when you 235 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 2: have a limited payroll, which I think he'd agree Kansas 236 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 2: City does. 237 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 5: Okay, Well, here's my argument. As a player, salary and 238 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 5: service time manipulation. You just called it. 239 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 6: As a former president owner of a team, you just 240 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,839 Speaker 6: nailed it to Wait, I thought this never happened though. 241 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 5: Wait, you just said that they should have done it. 242 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 6: So you're all for service time manipulation and holding guys down. 243 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 2: There is not one year or one day I didn't 244 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 2: think about service time manipulation. And listen, presidents lie about 245 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 2: it because they feel like they have to. And I 246 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 2: lied about it when I was running a team. The 247 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 2: reason why I don't lie about it now is I 248 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 2: don't want to run a team again. Did it for 249 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 2: eighteen years. But you say manipulation, and that has such 250 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 2: a pejorative connotation. I say budget management, and budget management. 251 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 2: I guarantee you do it on your show, in your business, 252 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,839 Speaker 2: in your household, as do all your listeners. We all 253 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 2: have to work within a budget and figure out how 254 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 2: to make every dollar stretch and go longer. 255 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: The rules are the rules. 256 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 2: Man, I'm not breaking any rules. I'm just telling you 257 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:41,079 Speaker 2: that I'm paying attention and that to me, Man, I 258 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,599 Speaker 2: would be in violation of my fiduciary duty if I 259 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 2: didn't do that. 260 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 6: Okay, listen, I'm bougie, so I only take Uber blacket 261 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 6: so I don't count the pennies and I let other 262 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 6: people do that. 263 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 5: Trust me. 264 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 6: My boss is yell at me when we take road trips. 265 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 6: You know, you got to take the Uber whatever, the 266 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 6: Uber with three wheel Uber normal two dollars cheaper. So listen, 267 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 6: I don't know what you're talking about. I'm all about 268 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 6: I'm all about taking the Black hundred. 269 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 5: But oh totally. 270 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 2: But maybe that's why you only have a dollar to 271 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 2: invest in the Orlando team. 272 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 5: Mmm, that's true. True, I would have two dollars if 273 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 5: I didn't take. 274 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 4: That fancy cars holding. Yeah. 275 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,959 Speaker 3: Wait, I have a follow to this, so I know 276 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 3: that he hasn't performed well. But let's say he did, right, 277 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 3: Let's say they called him up and he was on 278 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 3: a absolute tear. And the Royals had a big run 279 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 3: over these last couple of weeks and they end up 280 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 3: making the playoffs by a game. How much more money 281 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 3: could the Royals make if they had an extra playoff 282 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 3: series R two? And I know that's not usually the case, 283 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 3: but I remember even going back to like Will Myers 284 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 3: when he was first called up by the Rays, we 285 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,439 Speaker 3: were having this discussion because I'm like, this a fringe 286 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 3: playoff team. If they hold him back for too long, 287 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,959 Speaker 3: what if they missed the playoffs? Does that get balanced 288 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 3: at all? Where ownership might be like, what if we 289 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 3: missed what if we win eighty four games? We missed 290 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 3: the we could have made it to the Alcs this 291 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 3: year and jack Hags hit ten homers in the first 292 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 3: three weeks. 293 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 2: Listen, if my grandmother had four wheels, should be a bus. 294 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 2: You'd be silly to budget. Not one team budgets playoffs, 295 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 2: and you really don't make money unless you have a 296 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 2: bit of a deep run. If you make the wild 297 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,839 Speaker 2: card and losing the wild Card round A, you may 298 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 2: not even get a home game. 299 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: Keep that in mind, because the way. 300 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 2: They do it is all three games are in one facility. 301 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 2: And the way you really make some bank is when 302 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 2: you get to the LCS and then of course to 303 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 2: the World Series, because not only do you make money 304 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 2: in the current year, but then you get a tail 305 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 2: that lasts to the next season with more season ticket 306 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 2: holders and more corporate sponsors. So making the playoffs very good. 307 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 2: But in baseball, it's not like basketball. It's not like 308 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:50,719 Speaker 2: where you bring up a guy and that's going to 309 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 2: be the difference. Now, is it possible that that player 310 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 2: could be the difference in a couple of games, for sure, 311 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 2: but two weeks I'm just not with you. I think 312 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 2: the risk is far too great. But we evaluate that 313 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 2: kind of stuff. So with when we won a World Series, 314 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 2: you guys may remember we waited till June twentieth or 315 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 2: nineteenth to bring up Miguel Cabrera and still won the 316 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 2: World Series. Other years we brought up young guys early 317 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 2: and we didn't make the playoffs. So it's really hard 318 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 2: to predict. As you know, you guys are players, it's 319 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 2: hard to predict. 320 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 7: I need to hear your viewpoint on the Raffie Dever situation, 321 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 7: how it was handled, who handled it the best from 322 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 7: both sides and how you would have handled it. 323 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 2: You've been in a Major league clubhouse, and I know 324 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 2: you have, and you're a clubhouse guy. How would you 325 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 2: like it if a guy came in the highest paid 326 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 2: player and was not willing to do what the team 327 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 2: wanted in terms of playing a position. How would you 328 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 2: like it if you had the highest paid player who 329 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 2: was sort of a turn in the clubhouse. How would 330 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 2: you like it if then the player gets traded and 331 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 2: ten minutes later said, oh, I'll play the no problem. 332 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 2: It's really not great. And the truth is it's auditioned 333 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 2: by subtraction for the Red Sox and it's auditioned for 334 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 2: the Giants, which is why the trade happened. Because the 335 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 2: Giants get a left handed bat where they haven't had 336 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 2: a thirty home run hitter since so for they've an 337 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 2: opportunity to be in a division where they're fighting against 338 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 2: the Dodgers and the you know, spend like drunken sailor 339 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 2: padres hoping for one or two playoff spots, and they 340 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 2: needed that sort of bat. And I understand Red Sox 341 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 2: fans who are despondent beyond repair, but I'll tell you 342 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 2: the Red Sox to me, have a chance to be 343 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 2: better in the long term if they added the deadline 344 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 2: so that proves they're not giving up on this year, 345 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 2: and they reallocate the dollars that were given to Devors 346 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 2: over all those years for just a dh I think 347 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 2: if they do that, then the Red Sox end up 348 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 2: on the better end of this. 349 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 5: Oh. 350 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 6: It's almost like you work for a team that won 351 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 6: a World Series and had star players and traded them 352 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 6: all away the next year. 353 00:15:58,360 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 5: It's like you've done this. 354 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on, hold on. You know what happened. 355 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 2: We won ninety seven. I wasn't there, so don't blame 356 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 2: that on me. Three I was there, And in four 357 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 2: we lost Pudge because Detroit offered him that forty for four. 358 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 2: We weren't going to do that because we thought there 359 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 2: was a chance for some weight loss before the next season. 360 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 2: And two, Derek Lee got expensive, so we moved Derek 361 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 2: Lee and brought in heasop Choi and we had a 362 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 2: good year. 363 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: We just didn't make the playoffs. 364 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 2: The next year, we signed Delgado, we signed Lighter, we 365 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 2: had everybody from three and it just didn't work for us. 366 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 2: Then we traded everyone away before six, and that Ugla 367 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 2: Hanley run of four years. So I understand that you're 368 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 2: saying that, but it's not totally true. 369 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 4: Ninety seven was the true fire. Yeah, but that was 370 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 4: that's fair, that's fair. 371 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: That was not me. 372 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 2: And if you remember, I was not even in baseball 373 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 2: at the time Wayne heising I was working at Morgan Stanley, 374 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 2: and I remember Wayne Haizinger saying, and he said it publicly, 375 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 2: I don't care if we win the World Series or 376 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 2: don't make the playoffs. We're getting rid of all these 377 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 2: players if you do not give me a stadium. And 378 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 2: Miami did not give them a stadium. They did win 379 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 2: the World Series, and he did get rid of all 380 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 2: the players. 381 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 4: Hey, man of his word. 382 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 5: He also owned Blockbuster Video one time. 383 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 3: He owned all the dumpsters right the garbage. Wasn't a 384 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 3: waste manager. 385 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 8: Blockbuster for a long a lot of he did raved 386 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 8: before you go real quick, it's a yes or no 387 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 8: answer as a player ever made you so mad as 388 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 8: a as an executive that you traded him? 389 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: No, released, not traded. 390 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 5: Can't release Rai Devers though. 391 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 2: Nothing personal that he was either going to get traded 392 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 2: or DFA. The minute John Henry got on that plane 393 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 2: to Kansas City. It was O V E. R. John 394 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 2: doesn't want to fly to Kansas City to meet with Devers. 395 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 2: I can promise you that. 396 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 4: No, he's not a barbecue guy. It is. Kansas City 397 00:17:57,840 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 4: has got some sick food. David. 398 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 3: This was awesome. Always always enjoy it. Welcome back anytime. 399 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 4: Check out. 400 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 3: Nothing personal with David Sampson. Give him a follow on 401 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 3: all the socials too. He's great with fan Q and A, 402 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 3: just like we do here. Thanks David, good catching up man. 403 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: Have a great day. 404 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 3: Thanks guys, you too, appreciate you.