1 00:00:15,036 --> 00:00:15,476 Speaker 1: Pushkin. 2 00:00:21,996 --> 00:00:25,276 Speaker 2: I've paddled out with people who had Confederate flag that 3 00:00:25,436 --> 00:00:26,516 Speaker 2: was their surfboard. 4 00:00:28,156 --> 00:00:31,956 Speaker 1: This is Martina Duran. As a black woman learning to 5 00:00:31,996 --> 00:00:36,036 Speaker 1: surf in Florida, she was always hyper aware of her identity. 6 00:00:37,596 --> 00:00:39,876 Speaker 2: I grew up in Miami, and I like to say, 7 00:00:39,876 --> 00:00:42,836 Speaker 2: there's like this imaginary line, like when you cross the 8 00:00:42,876 --> 00:00:47,276 Speaker 2: beach into the water where the diversity just drops, and 9 00:00:47,356 --> 00:00:51,316 Speaker 2: not just in racial diversity, but gender diversity as well. 10 00:00:52,756 --> 00:00:56,196 Speaker 3: You feel like an island out there right, Like you 11 00:00:56,316 --> 00:00:59,156 Speaker 3: feel like all eyes are on you because you do 12 00:00:59,316 --> 00:00:59,876 Speaker 3: stick out. 13 00:01:01,356 --> 00:01:03,716 Speaker 1: And this is Chelsea Woody. 14 00:01:04,316 --> 00:01:10,756 Speaker 3: I do think that I did try harder because I 15 00:01:10,836 --> 00:01:13,676 Speaker 3: wanted to, you know, I wanted to fit in. I 16 00:01:13,716 --> 00:01:16,076 Speaker 3: wanted to be good at it. I think it pushed 17 00:01:16,076 --> 00:01:20,076 Speaker 3: me to want to create a space where others felt 18 00:01:20,116 --> 00:01:22,556 Speaker 3: like they could join in because I didn't feel like 19 00:01:22,636 --> 00:01:28,996 Speaker 3: I had that. I think as African American women that 20 00:01:29,036 --> 00:01:33,716 Speaker 3: were interested in surfing, we just didn't see ourselves represented 21 00:01:34,196 --> 00:01:38,476 Speaker 3: in the lineups that we frequented, and we all had 22 00:01:38,476 --> 00:01:42,236 Speaker 3: a shared experience of wanting to change that. 23 00:01:44,196 --> 00:01:48,556 Speaker 1: Chelsea and Martina, along with Danielle Black Lions and Gigi Lucas, 24 00:01:48,796 --> 00:01:51,476 Speaker 1: met on social media. 25 00:01:52,036 --> 00:01:54,836 Speaker 3: When you step out into the lineup, you don't typically 26 00:01:54,836 --> 00:01:58,436 Speaker 3: see folks that look like you. And when you are 27 00:01:58,476 --> 00:02:03,916 Speaker 3: looking through magazines, we don't typically see African American women 28 00:02:04,036 --> 00:02:09,956 Speaker 3: represented or brown women represented in mainstream surfing. When folks 29 00:02:09,996 --> 00:02:14,196 Speaker 3: think of a surfer, they don't automatically think of a 30 00:02:14,396 --> 00:02:20,476 Speaker 3: woman with textured hair and a darker complexion. So we 31 00:02:20,636 --> 00:02:22,076 Speaker 3: really wanted to change that. 32 00:02:24,596 --> 00:02:27,836 Speaker 1: In twenty nineteen, they decided to do something about the 33 00:02:27,916 --> 00:02:31,236 Speaker 1: lack of diversity in the water. They formed a collective 34 00:02:31,316 --> 00:02:34,716 Speaker 1: called Textured Waves with the goal of encouraging more women 35 00:02:34,756 --> 00:02:38,316 Speaker 1: of color to surf. They want to make women like 36 00:02:38,396 --> 00:02:42,556 Speaker 1: them visible in the roughly four billion dollar surf industry. 37 00:02:43,556 --> 00:02:45,756 Speaker 1: But in order to do that, they have to deal 38 00:02:45,796 --> 00:02:50,156 Speaker 1: with the past. That means facing the discrimination that was 39 00:02:50,236 --> 00:02:54,876 Speaker 1: so prevalent, that was encoded in the California surf culture 40 00:02:54,996 --> 00:02:58,836 Speaker 1: of the fifties and sixties when Mickey Dora ruled Malibu, 41 00:03:00,396 --> 00:03:04,356 Speaker 1: that golden age that was only golden for a very 42 00:03:04,396 --> 00:03:14,036 Speaker 1: privileged few. I am Dana Goodyear and this is a 43 00:03:14,076 --> 00:03:52,916 Speaker 1: Lost Hills bonus episode the Black Heroes of Surfing. Not 44 00:03:53,036 --> 00:03:55,956 Speaker 1: long after they formed Textured Waves, decided to make a 45 00:03:55,996 --> 00:04:01,316 Speaker 1: short film it's called See Us Now. It's set in 46 00:04:01,396 --> 00:04:06,396 Speaker 1: coastal California in the nineteen fifties, and it imagines a 47 00:04:06,476 --> 00:04:10,676 Speaker 1: past that never was. Black women ride to the beach 48 00:04:10,796 --> 00:04:14,916 Speaker 1: in a Ford Falcon convertible, wax up their boards, paddle 49 00:04:14,956 --> 00:04:20,156 Speaker 1: out and surf. This is a picture of the California dream, 50 00:04:20,756 --> 00:04:24,796 Speaker 1: that mid century myth, with black women squarely at the 51 00:04:24,836 --> 00:04:28,236 Speaker 1: center of the narrative and not a single surf Nazi 52 00:04:28,276 --> 00:04:32,156 Speaker 1: in sight. It's meant to be a corrective. 53 00:04:35,836 --> 00:04:39,676 Speaker 3: In the iconic like days of surfing, which most people 54 00:04:39,676 --> 00:04:41,756 Speaker 3: would say, or in the fifties and sixties, we can't 55 00:04:41,756 --> 00:04:43,756 Speaker 3: even see ourselves in those images. 56 00:04:44,636 --> 00:04:47,796 Speaker 1: In many places a surfing was emerging on the mainland, 57 00:04:48,316 --> 00:04:50,876 Speaker 1: it was illegal for black people to be on the 58 00:04:50,916 --> 00:04:52,116 Speaker 1: beach with white people. 59 00:04:53,396 --> 00:04:57,356 Speaker 2: Yeah, these laws were in place from the Jem Crow era. 60 00:04:57,476 --> 00:05:00,956 Speaker 2: Of course, those laws were Their only purpose was to 61 00:05:00,996 --> 00:05:07,596 Speaker 2: segregate the African American population from the white population because 62 00:05:07,636 --> 00:05:11,676 Speaker 2: we were not deemed human, we were deemed like animals. 63 00:05:11,756 --> 00:05:11,996 Speaker 4: Right. 64 00:05:12,356 --> 00:05:15,076 Speaker 2: A lot of those laws were disbanded in nineteen sixty five, 65 00:05:15,156 --> 00:05:16,996 Speaker 2: but it's continued in other ways. 66 00:05:18,276 --> 00:05:20,876 Speaker 1: In the Jim Crow era, there were a few beaches 67 00:05:20,916 --> 00:05:23,756 Speaker 1: around the country that were set aside for black recreation. 68 00:05:24,716 --> 00:05:27,556 Speaker 1: These were places where black people would not face the 69 00:05:27,636 --> 00:05:30,996 Speaker 1: harassment and hostility they often encountered at other beaches. 70 00:05:32,236 --> 00:05:36,796 Speaker 2: So inkwell was the name designated to a beach where 71 00:05:36,836 --> 00:05:40,156 Speaker 2: African Americans were legally allowed to be at. The name 72 00:05:40,236 --> 00:05:45,036 Speaker 2: itself is as semi racist connotations because there was a 73 00:05:45,076 --> 00:05:48,556 Speaker 2: belief that our skin would make the water dirty because 74 00:05:48,596 --> 00:05:51,316 Speaker 2: we were dark, and so that's why they were called inkwells, 75 00:05:51,356 --> 00:05:54,796 Speaker 2: you know, like an inkwell that they used for pens 76 00:05:54,796 --> 00:05:55,356 Speaker 2: and writing. 77 00:05:56,356 --> 00:06:00,196 Speaker 1: For decades after the official rules changed, people of color 78 00:06:00,276 --> 00:06:05,996 Speaker 1: were informally, sometimes violently, barred from enjoying common natural resources 79 00:06:06,196 --> 00:06:10,436 Speaker 1: like the beach. Mickey Dora Police Malibu in a Nazi 80 00:06:10,516 --> 00:06:14,196 Speaker 1: uniform was a horrible example of what they faced. 81 00:06:14,636 --> 00:06:18,516 Speaker 2: Which is interesting considering his own immigrant status, you know, 82 00:06:18,636 --> 00:06:21,676 Speaker 2: coming here from Hungary. But you know a lot of 83 00:06:21,996 --> 00:06:24,556 Speaker 2: people who are racist and have the whole of those ideals. 84 00:06:24,636 --> 00:06:27,036 Speaker 2: It comes from a lot of insecurity on their own part. 85 00:06:28,036 --> 00:06:31,076 Speaker 1: Chelsea and Martina are not fans of Mickey. 86 00:06:32,956 --> 00:06:35,636 Speaker 2: I think he was the first one who really coined 87 00:06:35,636 --> 00:06:38,596 Speaker 2: localism as if you live here, you can surf here. 88 00:06:38,636 --> 00:06:40,796 Speaker 2: If you don't live here, you can't surf here, right, 89 00:06:41,756 --> 00:06:45,236 Speaker 2: What does that mean to be allowed to be on 90 00:06:45,276 --> 00:06:45,716 Speaker 2: a beach? 91 00:06:45,836 --> 00:06:46,116 Speaker 5: Right? 92 00:06:46,276 --> 00:06:49,836 Speaker 2: That automatically excludes a certain group of people. Because you know, 93 00:06:49,916 --> 00:06:52,436 Speaker 2: when my grandmother was alive, she would have been arrested 94 00:06:52,516 --> 00:06:53,476 Speaker 2: for going on to a beach. 95 00:06:53,516 --> 00:06:55,196 Speaker 5: It was illegal for her to go to a beach. 96 00:06:56,356 --> 00:06:59,756 Speaker 1: Localism and the way it was championed by people like 97 00:06:59,836 --> 00:07:04,876 Speaker 1: Mickey Dora embedded these exclusionary ideas into the culture of surfing. 98 00:07:05,676 --> 00:07:10,476 Speaker 1: Exclusivity was tolerated, accepted, celebrated. 99 00:07:12,596 --> 00:07:15,916 Speaker 2: Even though we do not have legal ink wealls anymore, 100 00:07:16,116 --> 00:07:19,236 Speaker 2: we have still in a way ink walls. 101 00:07:19,316 --> 00:07:19,516 Speaker 4: Right. 102 00:07:19,596 --> 00:07:22,236 Speaker 2: So, like, there's a part of Florida and North Florida 103 00:07:22,236 --> 00:07:25,436 Speaker 2: where I believe you have to drive ten miles before 104 00:07:25,436 --> 00:07:28,996 Speaker 2: you can get to a public accessible beach, right, So 105 00:07:29,196 --> 00:07:32,476 Speaker 2: everyone the community is forced on this little stretch of 106 00:07:32,476 --> 00:07:37,956 Speaker 2: beachland while this entire coastline is open to either who 107 00:07:37,996 --> 00:07:41,236 Speaker 2: has homes on that coastline, who is allowed who is 108 00:07:41,316 --> 00:07:43,196 Speaker 2: friends of friends of that coastline. 109 00:07:43,996 --> 00:07:47,756 Speaker 1: There were consequences to these policies and this informal culture 110 00:07:47,756 --> 00:07:51,596 Speaker 1: of exclusion. Generations of black and brown children in this 111 00:07:51,676 --> 00:07:56,076 Speaker 1: country were unfairly denied a connection to the ocean, to surfing, 112 00:07:56,716 --> 00:07:59,076 Speaker 1: to swimming, to the beach itself. 113 00:08:00,716 --> 00:08:06,276 Speaker 2: We've been stripped of our rights of aquatic culture, Like 114 00:08:06,436 --> 00:08:08,676 Speaker 2: how do you learn to swim if you're not allowed 115 00:08:08,676 --> 00:08:11,156 Speaker 2: in a pool and swim, And this is generations deep, 116 00:08:11,596 --> 00:08:14,556 Speaker 2: and we see the very devastating results from that. There 117 00:08:14,636 --> 00:08:17,636 Speaker 2: was a great study done with Hurricane Katrina. They looked 118 00:08:17,636 --> 00:08:20,356 Speaker 2: at all the drownings and Hurricane Katrina, and the theory 119 00:08:20,636 --> 00:08:24,196 Speaker 2: was that I believe sixty percent of those drownings would 120 00:08:24,196 --> 00:08:26,196 Speaker 2: have been prevented with basic swimming skills. 121 00:08:26,916 --> 00:08:29,236 Speaker 5: So, like, this has had real consequences. 122 00:08:30,156 --> 00:08:33,676 Speaker 1: Exclusion, Martinez says, is dangerous. 123 00:08:35,236 --> 00:08:39,396 Speaker 2: Children and our people have drowned and died because for 124 00:08:39,556 --> 00:08:42,196 Speaker 2: generations we weren't allowed in these spaces. And if your 125 00:08:42,196 --> 00:08:44,036 Speaker 2: parents don't know how to swim, they're not going to 126 00:08:44,116 --> 00:08:45,796 Speaker 2: take you to learn how to swim. 127 00:08:45,796 --> 00:08:47,516 Speaker 5: If they have a fear of the ocean, you're going 128 00:08:47,596 --> 00:08:48,516 Speaker 5: to have a fear of the ocean. 129 00:08:48,556 --> 00:08:50,716 Speaker 2: And we all know the one thing you do when 130 00:08:50,756 --> 00:08:53,036 Speaker 2: you're in water is not to panic. 131 00:08:53,116 --> 00:08:54,516 Speaker 5: That's how you prevent drowning. 132 00:08:54,636 --> 00:08:56,876 Speaker 2: But like, if you've grown up with this fear around 133 00:08:56,916 --> 00:09:09,956 Speaker 2: water and aquatic bodies, you're going to panic, you know. So, yeah, 134 00:09:10,276 --> 00:09:11,396 Speaker 2: it's a lot to unpack. 135 00:09:17,316 --> 00:09:20,916 Speaker 1: Even with all this hate and exclusion. There was a 136 00:09:20,956 --> 00:09:24,196 Speaker 1: well known black surfer in the golden Age of surfing. 137 00:09:25,396 --> 00:09:29,556 Speaker 1: His name was Nick Gabaldon. He was an accomplished waterman 138 00:09:29,676 --> 00:09:33,956 Speaker 1: and athlete and a beacon for black surfers today, but 139 00:09:34,036 --> 00:09:56,156 Speaker 1: he met a tragic end in Malibu. In Santa Monica, 140 00:09:56,276 --> 00:09:58,996 Speaker 1: there was a two hundred foot area of Bay Street 141 00:09:59,076 --> 00:10:01,916 Speaker 1: Beach that was roped off for the use of black people. 142 00:10:03,036 --> 00:10:07,076 Speaker 1: Unlike other beaches in southern California, where harassment of black 143 00:10:07,116 --> 00:10:10,596 Speaker 1: beachgoers was common, it was one of the few spots 144 00:10:10,636 --> 00:10:14,756 Speaker 1: where black people could enjoy the ocean. It was known 145 00:10:15,076 --> 00:10:20,316 Speaker 1: problematically as the Santa Monica Inkwell. In the nineteen forties. 146 00:10:20,596 --> 00:10:23,716 Speaker 1: That was where Nick Gabbledon borrowed a board from a 147 00:10:23,716 --> 00:10:27,636 Speaker 1: lifeguard and learned to surf. He heard the waves were 148 00:10:27,676 --> 00:10:31,116 Speaker 1: better at Malibu, but he didn't have a car, and 149 00:10:31,156 --> 00:10:33,356 Speaker 1: when he tried to hitchhike he didn't have a lot 150 00:10:33,356 --> 00:10:37,436 Speaker 1: of luck. He didn't let that stop him though. He 151 00:10:37,516 --> 00:10:41,436 Speaker 1: got on his board, got in the water and paddled there. 152 00:10:42,796 --> 00:10:47,556 Speaker 3: You know, Nick Gabbledon had to paddle twelve miles to 153 00:10:47,716 --> 00:10:51,396 Speaker 3: Nalibu to even surf that beach, but he's one of 154 00:10:51,436 --> 00:10:57,636 Speaker 3: the first documented African, American and Mexican surfers. 155 00:10:58,196 --> 00:11:02,796 Speaker 1: It was an extraordinary feat of athleticism. And when Nick 156 00:11:02,876 --> 00:11:10,956 Speaker 1: had finished surfing, he'd paddled twelve miles back. Nick Gabaldon 157 00:11:11,236 --> 00:11:13,636 Speaker 1: was part of the Malibu Sine in the late forties 158 00:11:13,676 --> 00:11:17,436 Speaker 1: and early fifties, and eventually he made friends with the 159 00:11:17,476 --> 00:11:21,076 Speaker 1: surfers there and they would give him rides on a 160 00:11:21,116 --> 00:11:26,076 Speaker 1: beach full of white surfers. Nick stood apart. Vicki Flaxman, 161 00:11:26,356 --> 00:11:31,676 Speaker 1: one of the early Malibu surfers, remembers him. 162 00:11:31,796 --> 00:11:33,556 Speaker 4: He was a little bit older. He was in his 163 00:11:33,596 --> 00:11:36,236 Speaker 4: early twenties, I think because he'd been in the service, 164 00:11:36,356 --> 00:11:38,476 Speaker 4: and so he started surfing after that. 165 00:11:39,956 --> 00:11:43,236 Speaker 1: After graduating from Santa Monica High in nineteen forty five, 166 00:11:43,436 --> 00:11:46,636 Speaker 1: he'd enlisted in the Navy. After the war, he was 167 00:11:46,676 --> 00:11:49,676 Speaker 1: attending Santa Monica College and working as a postman. 168 00:11:51,676 --> 00:11:55,596 Speaker 4: He was very handsome at a sweetheart. He was very 169 00:11:55,676 --> 00:12:00,196 Speaker 4: very sweet, and he didn't just plunge into the Malibu Sine. 170 00:12:00,996 --> 00:12:04,316 Speaker 4: He just wanted to surf and he got to be 171 00:12:04,396 --> 00:12:06,196 Speaker 4: friends with a lot of the guys I think he 172 00:12:06,236 --> 00:12:09,356 Speaker 4: was kind of shy around the girls. He didn't I mean, 173 00:12:09,396 --> 00:12:12,596 Speaker 4: he was friendly, but he was very shy and kind 174 00:12:12,636 --> 00:12:13,356 Speaker 4: of reserved. 175 00:12:15,956 --> 00:12:19,596 Speaker 1: Vicky didn't know much about him or his context, but 176 00:12:19,716 --> 00:12:24,396 Speaker 1: she does remember the story of his tragic death. It 177 00:12:24,436 --> 00:12:28,196 Speaker 1: was June fifth, nineteen fifty one. There was a big 178 00:12:28,276 --> 00:12:32,756 Speaker 1: south swell with eight to ten foot waves. Nick paddled 179 00:12:32,756 --> 00:12:35,356 Speaker 1: out and caught a big wave and took off on it, 180 00:12:35,796 --> 00:12:37,716 Speaker 1: heading straight for the Malibu Pier. 181 00:12:41,316 --> 00:12:43,916 Speaker 4: I had been surfing the day before, and I knew 182 00:12:43,916 --> 00:12:46,636 Speaker 4: the surf was still up, and I don't know why 183 00:12:46,756 --> 00:12:50,236 Speaker 4: I just didn't go up that day, but I knew 184 00:12:50,356 --> 00:12:55,756 Speaker 4: I felt something. I felt something really weird, and I 185 00:12:55,796 --> 00:12:59,516 Speaker 4: called my girlfriend Claire. It was about two thirty in 186 00:12:59,556 --> 00:13:01,996 Speaker 4: the afternoon, and I thought, what why am I calling her? 187 00:13:02,036 --> 00:13:05,516 Speaker 4: She's up there, she's observing. There's no reason that she'd 188 00:13:05,516 --> 00:13:09,116 Speaker 4: be home, but she was. And I said, what happened? 189 00:13:09,876 --> 00:13:13,156 Speaker 4: Why are you home? And she said, Nick hits the 190 00:13:13,236 --> 00:13:18,356 Speaker 4: peer and they can't find it. They haven't found it. 191 00:13:20,076 --> 00:13:25,796 Speaker 4: And you know, everybody was bereft because the guys, all 192 00:13:25,796 --> 00:13:30,276 Speaker 4: the guys you know, ran down there, ran up on 193 00:13:30,316 --> 00:13:33,716 Speaker 4: the pier, tried to get as close to the pilings 194 00:13:33,756 --> 00:13:38,756 Speaker 4: as they could, and they couldn't find him. 195 00:13:38,956 --> 00:13:43,756 Speaker 1: His body washed up days later, miles away. He was 196 00:13:43,996 --> 00:13:52,836 Speaker 1: just twenty four years old. Unlike Mickey Dora, who was 197 00:13:52,916 --> 00:13:57,516 Speaker 1: documented excessively throughout his life and became a California folk hero, 198 00:13:58,516 --> 00:14:03,436 Speaker 1: Nick Gabaldon's legacy was lost for many years. In the 199 00:14:03,476 --> 00:14:07,836 Speaker 1: mid seventies, a surfer named Rick Blocker read an open 200 00:14:07,956 --> 00:14:12,916 Speaker 1: letter but another Tony Corley, had published in Surfer magazine. 201 00:14:14,196 --> 00:14:18,316 Speaker 1: Coraley called on his black surfing brothers to come together 202 00:14:18,596 --> 00:14:24,996 Speaker 1: and form a Black Surfing Association. Mother Ocean knows no prejudices, 203 00:14:25,236 --> 00:14:30,036 Speaker 1: Coraley wrote. Blocker answered the call, becoming one of the 204 00:14:30,076 --> 00:14:34,836 Speaker 1: first members of the Black Surfing Association, and eventually he 205 00:14:34,916 --> 00:14:39,996 Speaker 1: started researching the life and legacy of Nick Gabaldon. He 206 00:14:40,076 --> 00:14:45,276 Speaker 1: sees Gabaldon as hugely significant for surfers today, a reminder 207 00:14:45,516 --> 00:14:49,276 Speaker 1: that black people have been surfing in California for just 208 00:14:49,436 --> 00:14:53,316 Speaker 1: as long as white people. That's exactly the kind of 209 00:14:53,396 --> 00:14:57,316 Speaker 1: thing Textured Waves is doing with one crucial difference. 210 00:14:58,676 --> 00:15:02,476 Speaker 2: Martina Duran, that's one thing that we're trying to do 211 00:15:02,516 --> 00:15:05,076 Speaker 2: at Texture Waves, or trying to document some of these 212 00:15:05,116 --> 00:15:07,796 Speaker 2: amazing surfers while they're still alive, you know, so that 213 00:15:07,996 --> 00:15:11,316 Speaker 2: history is caps. 214 00:15:13,316 --> 00:15:15,836 Speaker 1: A few years ago, a plaque was erected at Bay 215 00:15:15,836 --> 00:15:19,556 Speaker 1: Street in Santa Monica to honor Nick Gabaldon and the 216 00:15:19,556 --> 00:15:27,596 Speaker 1: beach that was once called the Inkwell. 217 00:15:24,716 --> 00:15:28,836 Speaker 3: We celebrate him every year. And now the Black Servers. 218 00:15:28,396 --> 00:15:31,396 Speaker 1: Collective Chelsea Woody again. 219 00:15:32,556 --> 00:15:36,556 Speaker 3: They get together every year and they recreate the paddle Out. 220 00:15:37,396 --> 00:15:41,276 Speaker 3: It's like a big celebration. A bunch of black servers 221 00:15:41,276 --> 00:15:44,876 Speaker 3: and supporters and allies get together, eat on the beach, 222 00:15:45,236 --> 00:15:48,636 Speaker 3: we serve, and we also just you know, wait for 223 00:15:49,236 --> 00:15:53,036 Speaker 3: these folks to come and paddle and you know, cheer 224 00:15:53,036 --> 00:15:55,116 Speaker 3: them on as they arrive to the beach. 225 00:15:57,036 --> 00:16:00,316 Speaker 1: The event, which takes place in June each year around 226 00:16:00,356 --> 00:16:04,116 Speaker 1: the time of his death, honors Gabbledon and his memory, 227 00:16:05,196 --> 00:16:09,076 Speaker 1: and it also reinforces the bonds around the growing black 228 00:16:09,316 --> 00:16:23,276 Speaker 1: surf community. Chelsea and Martina both learned to surf later 229 00:16:23,316 --> 00:16:26,236 Speaker 1: in life. Martina was in college when she did a 230 00:16:26,236 --> 00:16:29,556 Speaker 1: semester abroad in Costa Rica and took her first surf lesson. 231 00:16:30,276 --> 00:16:31,436 Speaker 1: Chelsea was even older. 232 00:16:32,756 --> 00:16:36,996 Speaker 3: I grew up in the Pacific Northwest, kind of in 233 00:16:36,996 --> 00:16:41,236 Speaker 3: a suburb outside of Seattle, so I didn't grow up 234 00:16:41,596 --> 00:16:45,036 Speaker 3: in the ocean or having much ocean knowledge at all. 235 00:16:45,276 --> 00:16:49,036 Speaker 3: I had seen surfing in the movie theaters. The first 236 00:16:49,116 --> 00:16:51,836 Speaker 3: time I saw it was watching Blue Crush, and I 237 00:16:51,836 --> 00:16:54,996 Speaker 3: always wanted to do it since I was in high school, 238 00:16:54,996 --> 00:16:57,156 Speaker 3: but just never had the opportunity. 239 00:16:57,996 --> 00:17:00,916 Speaker 1: At thirty, she and her husband decided to quit their 240 00:17:01,036 --> 00:17:06,356 Speaker 1: jobs and travel and ended up spending time in Indonesia. 241 00:17:06,956 --> 00:17:09,916 Speaker 3: Never got the courage to do it until we kind 242 00:17:09,956 --> 00:17:13,076 Speaker 3: of took a bigger risk in our life, you know, 243 00:17:13,236 --> 00:17:16,716 Speaker 3: quitting our jobs and traveling, and I just thought it 244 00:17:16,756 --> 00:17:20,116 Speaker 3: would be a good time for me to try to 245 00:17:20,156 --> 00:17:23,596 Speaker 3: serve and so we went to Indonesia and stayed there 246 00:17:23,636 --> 00:17:29,036 Speaker 3: for a month and taught ourselves how to serf. When 247 00:17:29,076 --> 00:17:32,996 Speaker 3: I first started in Indonesia, I was one of the 248 00:17:33,036 --> 00:17:36,476 Speaker 3: only brown women that looked like me in a lot 249 00:17:36,516 --> 00:17:38,556 Speaker 3: of even though I am in a place with a 250 00:17:38,556 --> 00:17:42,396 Speaker 3: lot of brown folks. There was a lot of tourists 251 00:17:42,436 --> 00:17:47,836 Speaker 3: and Indonesian men, and they all called me sister. So 252 00:17:49,516 --> 00:17:52,516 Speaker 3: you know, I think they recognize like you are like me, 253 00:17:52,836 --> 00:17:55,436 Speaker 3: but we haven't, you know, seen a ton of women 254 00:17:56,236 --> 00:18:00,676 Speaker 3: like you. One thing they called me also was Obama, 255 00:18:01,236 --> 00:18:05,196 Speaker 3: which I thought was really interesting. I mean, he was 256 00:18:05,316 --> 00:18:08,276 Speaker 3: very popular in Indonesia when he was president, you know, 257 00:18:08,916 --> 00:18:12,356 Speaker 3: like Obama go on that way. I didn't know how 258 00:18:12,396 --> 00:18:15,756 Speaker 3: to feel about that, and that when I did come home, 259 00:18:18,036 --> 00:18:22,236 Speaker 3: it made me realize, like, wow, people around the world 260 00:18:22,436 --> 00:18:25,196 Speaker 3: don't even see black women or brown women as surfers. 261 00:18:25,236 --> 00:18:29,156 Speaker 3: That needs to change. 262 00:18:29,396 --> 00:18:32,876 Speaker 1: After Indonesia, Chelsea and her husband made a big decision. 263 00:18:34,116 --> 00:18:40,276 Speaker 3: We kind of uprooted our lives in the Pacific Northwest 264 00:18:40,316 --> 00:18:43,516 Speaker 3: to live on the coast of California and surf every day. 265 00:18:44,716 --> 00:18:47,316 Speaker 1: They moved to Santa Cruz, California. 266 00:18:48,596 --> 00:18:54,036 Speaker 3: It's probably one of the most affected by localism. Still, 267 00:18:54,236 --> 00:18:57,996 Speaker 3: you know, really difficult to break into the surf scene 268 00:18:58,036 --> 00:19:02,596 Speaker 3: here and very intimidating, and men will still yell at 269 00:19:02,636 --> 00:19:06,356 Speaker 3: you and push you off your board, even like young 270 00:19:06,476 --> 00:19:10,956 Speaker 3: children and women. So I have definitely been yelled at 271 00:19:11,436 --> 00:19:14,116 Speaker 3: a lot in this town by grown men. 272 00:19:14,756 --> 00:19:17,356 Speaker 2: You just immediately get hassled before you even get in 273 00:19:17,436 --> 00:19:22,356 Speaker 2: the water. So it's it's unfortunate because surfing should be 274 00:19:22,356 --> 00:19:26,156 Speaker 2: a very peaceful, train quill thing, but somehow the aggression 275 00:19:26,756 --> 00:19:27,516 Speaker 2: gets out. 276 00:19:28,356 --> 00:19:33,836 Speaker 3: So and it always amazes me how comfortable men are 277 00:19:33,996 --> 00:19:38,396 Speaker 3: in the water just yelling at a woman or a child, 278 00:19:39,196 --> 00:19:42,836 Speaker 3: and in no situation on land would they be comfortable 279 00:19:42,916 --> 00:19:46,516 Speaker 3: doing that. It is embarrassing, you know, So it is. 280 00:19:47,316 --> 00:19:50,516 Speaker 3: It is a hard place to learn to serve, and 281 00:19:50,596 --> 00:19:55,596 Speaker 3: I think you do have to adapt and have to 282 00:19:55,676 --> 00:19:59,956 Speaker 3: learn quickly to make it around here, because if you 283 00:20:00,076 --> 00:20:04,676 Speaker 3: can't serve or if you're not you know, following the rules, 284 00:20:04,716 --> 00:20:08,436 Speaker 3: people don't give you a chance. That sounds harsh and 285 00:20:08,476 --> 00:20:13,836 Speaker 3: it's changing, but that was definitely I've definitely had interactions 286 00:20:13,876 --> 00:20:14,596 Speaker 3: here in the water. 287 00:20:14,916 --> 00:20:15,356 Speaker 5: For sure. 288 00:20:16,196 --> 00:20:17,876 Speaker 3: People are not always so kind. 289 00:20:19,476 --> 00:20:21,836 Speaker 5: It's just such a contrast to like. 290 00:20:23,316 --> 00:20:25,916 Speaker 2: Where I live, Like I think about how fortunate I am. 291 00:20:29,276 --> 00:20:33,436 Speaker 1: Martina also moved away from the Confederate flag board she 292 00:20:33,556 --> 00:20:36,156 Speaker 1: encountered in Florida to Hawaii. 293 00:20:37,316 --> 00:20:41,716 Speaker 2: Here, I've been encouraged to expand my relationship with the ocean, 294 00:20:41,876 --> 00:20:46,996 Speaker 2: Like I've started canoe surfing and racing and all this stuff, 295 00:20:47,036 --> 00:20:50,236 Speaker 2: and everyone just like wants to help you, and like 296 00:20:50,796 --> 00:20:53,916 Speaker 2: I just couldn't imagine. I don't know that I would 297 00:20:54,356 --> 00:20:56,796 Speaker 2: be still surfing if I was in a place like 298 00:20:56,796 --> 00:20:58,716 Speaker 2: Santa Cruz. Like you definitely would have to have some 299 00:20:58,916 --> 00:21:01,316 Speaker 2: very thick skin well for cold too. As well, but 300 00:21:01,876 --> 00:21:04,316 Speaker 2: thick skin for the words and for the cold. But 301 00:21:04,836 --> 00:21:08,476 Speaker 2: it just shows that how important that is, like to 302 00:21:08,636 --> 00:21:13,356 Speaker 2: just be accepting. You know, that's not fun for anyone, 303 00:21:13,476 --> 00:21:15,636 Speaker 2: especially when you're younger and you're still trying to develop 304 00:21:15,676 --> 00:21:18,836 Speaker 2: that identity. I can only imagine how that feels to 305 00:21:18,876 --> 00:21:21,476 Speaker 2: be constantly told you don't belong here and to be 306 00:21:21,596 --> 00:21:24,396 Speaker 2: bullied out of a space. And you know what I mean, 307 00:21:24,396 --> 00:21:27,596 Speaker 2: because the ocean is really for everyone. 308 00:21:27,636 --> 00:21:31,556 Speaker 1: For Chelsea and Martina, surfing is a refuge and they 309 00:21:31,636 --> 00:21:37,236 Speaker 1: don't want it to be a battleground, especially during the pandemic. 310 00:21:37,356 --> 00:21:39,996 Speaker 1: Chelsea says surfing was essential. 311 00:21:41,236 --> 00:21:44,916 Speaker 3: I am a nurse and I was so happy to 312 00:21:44,956 --> 00:21:48,316 Speaker 3: have surfing as an outlet. Luckily, you can kind of 313 00:21:48,316 --> 00:21:51,996 Speaker 3: do it in isolation if you're strategic about it, So 314 00:21:53,076 --> 00:21:56,796 Speaker 3: it was, yeah, so important for me to have during 315 00:21:56,876 --> 00:21:59,316 Speaker 3: that time. I don't think I would have made it 316 00:21:59,356 --> 00:22:01,676 Speaker 3: through mentally if I didn't have surfing. 317 00:22:03,636 --> 00:22:05,316 Speaker 1: And that's a big part of what they want to 318 00:22:05,316 --> 00:22:08,236 Speaker 1: put out there, the message they want to spread to 319 00:22:08,316 --> 00:22:14,996 Speaker 1: future black surfers. These spaces, the beaches, the ocean, they 320 00:22:15,076 --> 00:22:20,236 Speaker 1: belong to you too. They're there for your leisure and enjoyment. 321 00:22:22,276 --> 00:22:25,676 Speaker 3: I think for it to be the leisure, to actually 322 00:22:25,716 --> 00:22:30,996 Speaker 3: be leisurely is my hope. You know that it isn't 323 00:22:31,036 --> 00:22:33,956 Speaker 3: a struggle. Do I belong here? Am I supposed to 324 00:22:34,036 --> 00:22:37,956 Speaker 3: surf at this spot? Should I park here? Will somebody 325 00:22:38,076 --> 00:22:41,596 Speaker 3: vandalize my car because I parked here? And so yeah, 326 00:22:41,716 --> 00:22:45,596 Speaker 3: I just hope that it. You know, folks of color 327 00:22:45,716 --> 00:22:49,836 Speaker 3: feel that they belong in spaces of leisure and outdoor 328 00:22:49,876 --> 00:22:54,636 Speaker 3: spaces and aquatic spaces. Want it to be normal for 329 00:22:55,236 --> 00:23:00,636 Speaker 3: our children, and you know, the generations beyond us to 330 00:23:00,796 --> 00:23:05,556 Speaker 3: be surfers, to be outdoors people, to own land at 331 00:23:05,596 --> 00:23:10,516 Speaker 3: the beach, to you know, have access to see themselves represented. 332 00:23:11,676 --> 00:23:16,236 Speaker 1: Just like Mickey Dora, Chelsea is seeking freedom in surfing, 333 00:23:17,396 --> 00:23:21,516 Speaker 1: but her definition of freedom couldn't be more different from Mickey's. 334 00:23:22,636 --> 00:23:27,996 Speaker 1: He wanted to live a life without responsibilities. She just 335 00:23:28,116 --> 00:23:30,636 Speaker 1: wants to feel safe. 336 00:23:30,836 --> 00:23:34,116 Speaker 3: And I think that the ultimate level of freedom is 337 00:23:34,156 --> 00:23:37,596 Speaker 3: to be able to walk into a space autonomously and 338 00:23:37,636 --> 00:23:38,596 Speaker 3: feel comfortable. 339 00:23:41,396 --> 00:23:44,396 Speaker 1: Above all, the women of Textured Waves want to spread 340 00:23:44,436 --> 00:23:46,996 Speaker 1: the message that surfing is fun. 341 00:23:48,116 --> 00:23:51,836 Speaker 2: We started this because of our passion for surfing and 342 00:23:51,956 --> 00:23:54,876 Speaker 2: not any resentment for being held out of it. 343 00:23:55,436 --> 00:23:57,436 Speaker 5: I think that is what drives us to do what 344 00:23:57,476 --> 00:23:57,756 Speaker 5: we do. 345 00:23:57,796 --> 00:24:01,156 Speaker 2: We're passionate about this, and because we are so passionate 346 00:24:01,196 --> 00:24:03,596 Speaker 2: about this, we want other black women to discover this 347 00:24:03,716 --> 00:24:06,556 Speaker 2: passion because it is an amazing passion to have. 348 00:24:06,676 --> 00:24:07,796 Speaker 5: It's a good addiction to have. 349 00:24:09,116 --> 00:24:13,676 Speaker 2: Oh that's what drives us every day doing this. And 350 00:24:13,716 --> 00:24:16,596 Speaker 2: I think that's important to say because I know with 351 00:24:16,716 --> 00:24:19,236 Speaker 2: our history, trauma comes up a lot, and that is 352 00:24:19,276 --> 00:24:23,396 Speaker 2: something that we are fully aware of. But this sport 353 00:24:23,436 --> 00:24:26,876 Speaker 2: brings us joy. And that's why we do what we 354 00:24:26,956 --> 00:24:29,236 Speaker 2: do is because of the joy we get from surfing 355 00:24:29,316 --> 00:24:36,116 Speaker 2: every day. 356 00:24:37,156 --> 00:24:40,276 Speaker 1: Lost Hills is written and reported by me Dana Goodyear. 357 00:24:40,596 --> 00:24:43,676 Speaker 1: It's created by me and Ben Adair and produced by 358 00:24:43,716 --> 00:24:48,356 Speaker 1: Western Sound and Pushkin Industries. Subscribe to Pushkin Plus and 359 00:24:48,436 --> 00:24:51,436 Speaker 1: you can binge the entire season right now. 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