Speaker 1: Call It What It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camille Luddington,
Speaker 1: an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 2: Well, Hello, Hello, hello.
Speaker 3: And welcome to another episode of Call It Short and Sweet.
Speaker 4: What's Up?
Speaker 3: What's Up? Today? We have dedicated the episode to a
Speaker 3: fan Q and A. The Call It crew have always
Speaker 3: always give us the best material, and so why not
Speaker 3: dedicate an episode two questions that you have that Jessica
Speaker 3: and I can dive right into.
Speaker 1: This is where we also remind you that we are
Speaker 1: unlicensed to advise. Nothing gives us any sort of special
Speaker 1: reason why we should be able to answer your questions.
Speaker 1: But at this point, if you've written in, then there
Speaker 1: must be something that you feel like you get from us,
Speaker 1: and so.
Speaker 3: We're here to give it. Yep.
Speaker 2: All right, We're going to.
Speaker 1: Start with Sydney, who wrote in and said, Hi, Camilla
Speaker 1: and Jessica, my boyfriend and I are planning on getting
Speaker 1: engaged within six months to a year. I am so excited.
Speaker 1: He is the man of my dreams and I truly
Speaker 1: think we pair together so well. But we had a
Speaker 1: conversation the other night and he told me that I
Speaker 1: was his third favorite person in the world, behind his
Speaker 1: mom and sister. I love both of them so much,
Speaker 1: so I'm glad that they're going to be part of
Speaker 1: my future family. But I am struggling with the thought
Speaker 1: of being third. I always told myself I would be
Speaker 1: in a relationship and a marriage where we put each
Speaker 1: other first and pick each other every day, and I
Speaker 1: feel like that ninety percent of the time with his actions,
Speaker 1: but him saying that has been stuck.
Speaker 2: In my head for weeks.
Speaker 1: Now Do I wait it out until closer to an
Speaker 1: engagement to say anything, or is it something I bring
Speaker 1: up now? Or am I out of line for wanting
Speaker 1: to be number one? Thank you guys so much for
Speaker 1: your advice and for being so open and honest in
Speaker 1: these podcasts.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you the thing has stuck out to me, actually,
Speaker 3: was she feels like ninety percent of the time his
Speaker 3: actions show that she's first, right, and this comment is
Speaker 3: throwing her a little. I personally would want a little
Speaker 3: maybe clarification. It's hard. That's family, that's who he's grown
Speaker 3: up with. Of course he loves those women in his life, right.
Speaker 3: I think there's a natural situation.
Speaker 2: Are you wondering if ninety percents enough?
Speaker 3: I'm assuming that her ninety percent. Is I feel like
Speaker 3: that ninety percent the time with its actions, But him
Speaker 3: saying that has stuck in my head for weeks now.
Speaker 3: I think the ten percent is the comment.
Speaker 1: So ten percent of the time she feels like she's third,
Speaker 1: you think so so specific by the way, I think
Speaker 1: I was sort of more excrecting, like I'm second behind mom,
Speaker 1: but mom and sister, I.
Speaker 3: Think is I know, the sister part's really a little
Speaker 3: bit strange. I mean, I love my siblings, but you know,
Speaker 3: come on, come on now, if you're going to get engaged.
Speaker 3: But my point is as a relationship progresses, I think,
Speaker 3: you know, if you get married and then you're having children,
Speaker 3: the mother of your children and your wife should be
Speaker 3: number one. That's how it should be for sure. So
Speaker 3: I'm wondering if this will just be a natural rearrangement
Speaker 3: of this order. But it's bizarre he even said it
Speaker 3: in the first place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of feel like that's one of those
Speaker 1: things where if I were, if I were a friend
Speaker 1: of his, I'd be like, you can tuck that in,
Speaker 1: tuck it in there. You don't need to say that,
Speaker 1: Like you don't need to be that explicit because I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny because I talk about this a lot,
Speaker 1: but I grew up. You know, my mom was single
Speaker 1: for a big part of my younger years, and it was,
Speaker 1: you know, very much a lot of being like she
Speaker 1: and I against the world. And when you have one
Speaker 1: parent that's everything to you.
Speaker 2: For sure. There's a sort of very.
Speaker 1: Strong bond there that I think is not only lovely
Speaker 1: but necessary, right and great. That being said, is you
Speaker 1: mature as you get older, whereas I might have in
Speaker 1: my younger years been like I can't even imagine loving
Speaker 1: so one as much as I love my mom.
Speaker 2: You do.
Speaker 1: You end up falling in love with your person, and
Speaker 1: then you do love them more than anyone, and they
Speaker 1: become your number one. And I mean, listen, also, a
Speaker 1: little bit like someone asking someone to like rank their
Speaker 1: beloved is a little bit like, I don't think we
Speaker 1: need to do that. But in the in the mom category,
Speaker 1: she was my number one, and in my partner category,
Speaker 1: Christopher was my number one. So it's like, I think
Speaker 1: that you got to just be a little bit Maybe
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think that the literal part of it,
Speaker 1: it could get a little sticky, So I don't know,
Speaker 1: that you need to like wait to get engaged to
Speaker 1: bring up something that's bothering you. I think that if
Speaker 1: you have something that is you're bumping on and you're
Speaker 1: thinking about spending in the rest of your life with someone,
Speaker 1: I think that you you say, like, hey, not a
Speaker 1: big deal, but I'm a little bit bumping on this.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's breakup worthy.
Speaker 1: No, but I would be like, tell tell me more,
Speaker 1: like mom and sister, I think. And I'd also think
Speaker 1: I maybe would be playful about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so too, I I and I I. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I would want him to explain a little bit more
Speaker 3: because maybe there's also a misunderstanding of what that really
Speaker 3: means to him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you never know someone's you never know what
Speaker 1: someone's going through, And there might be something where, you know,
Speaker 1: he feels like he has to be there for his
Speaker 1: mother and sister, you know, through thick and kat and
Speaker 1: for the rest of their lives. Right, might be like
Speaker 1: a protector thing might be like a that's a stupid
Speaker 1: thing to say, but I mean like not like protector thing,
Speaker 1: but like it might be a might be a dynamic
Speaker 1: that was created in their home life where it was
Speaker 1: you know he's always going to be the one that's,
Speaker 1: you know, fronting up for them or.
Speaker 2: Who knows because he doesn't say he doesn't say his dad.
Speaker 3: No, he doesn't say his dad. Yeah, what's the dynamic there?
Speaker 1: I'd get curious, And when I think, I'd ask about
Speaker 1: the dynamic because I also think that understood you're thinking
Speaker 1: about the thing.
Speaker 2: The rest of your life with someone.
Speaker 1: Understanding the dynamic early on is only going to benefit you,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Because because it will.
Speaker 1: And if you end up spending again the rest of
Speaker 1: your life with someone and then you have you know,
Speaker 1: you get into deep partnership and then marriage, and then
Speaker 1: if there's children, then you want to understand, like you
Speaker 1: want to get the operating instructions and you want to
Speaker 1: get the roadmap to that dynamic and sort of get
Speaker 1: understand what it is about them that makes him feel
Speaker 1: like he has to make mom and.
Speaker 2: Sister one and two.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, yeah, yeah, I don't think these things are
Speaker 3: so black and white, and I think that, Yeah, I
Speaker 3: think you're just it's you get curious, just like you said,
Speaker 3: and you have a conversation.
Speaker 1: And also I'm gonna tell you something I don't want
Speaker 1: to be anyone who I'm in love with, I do
Speaker 1: not want to be their number three.
Speaker 3: No, yes, but I think we have to. That's why
Speaker 3: I think you have to get curious, like you said,
Speaker 3: and have a conversation because is it really a ranking
Speaker 3: of and I love you less? Like or what is
Speaker 3: this ranking? Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: What does this exactly mean to you? And listen? If
Speaker 3: you're number three in like the amount of love he's
Speaker 3: giving to you, then you can reassess.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and I guess i'd want to know more
Speaker 1: about that too, because maybe if it's it's if it's
Speaker 1: in priorities, I want to know that, like if I'm
Speaker 1: a third, like if mom and sister needs you, then yeah,
Speaker 1: and I need you? Will I be third in line
Speaker 1: to get what I need? Because that's the point that
Speaker 1: I want to be with someone who I'm first.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's you start the conversation of what
Speaker 3: the sale all means? Okay, Marcy wrote, Hi, ladies, love
Speaker 3: the podcast so far. I know. In one of the
Speaker 3: earlier episodes, Jessica Mens mentioned she used to be a
Speaker 3: people pleaser. If you're comfortable, could you share how you
Speaker 3: were able to stop being a people pleaser, and do
Speaker 3: both of you have any advice on how to stop
Speaker 3: being a people pleaser. I'm a big time people pleaser
Speaker 3: to the point where I'm not putting myself first when
Speaker 3: I need to, especially now that I'm a mom and
Speaker 3: have trouble setting boundaries with people regarding what's best for
Speaker 3: my baby. So I don't want my people pleasing affecting
Speaker 3: my baby girl now too.
Speaker 2: Please help, Oh, I get that. Yes, I have said that.
Speaker 1: I the way that I was put together was pretty
Speaker 1: people pleasery and skewed tho way for so many different reasons,
Speaker 1: which and the the reason I bring that up is
Speaker 1: because I think it's really important to get to the
Speaker 1: root of things sometimes to understand why something is before
Speaker 1: you figure out how to either dismantle it or change it.
Speaker 1: So I think that that was really important to me. Like,
Speaker 1: why am I a people pleaser? Well, I mean, I
Speaker 1: can tell you all the reasons I was people pleaser,
Speaker 1: and some of them were sort of random and some
Speaker 1: of them were very specific, but typically oldest.
Speaker 2: Daughters and families or people pleasers.
Speaker 1: Again, I had two single parents. I was going back
Speaker 1: and forth between households, so I sort of always had
Speaker 1: to make things okay. So anyways, you get my point,
Speaker 1: there's a route to people pleasing and then then you're
Speaker 1: a grown up and you're like, oh my gosh, I
Speaker 1: put everyone first and I'm making sure that everybody is
Speaker 1: okay before I make sure that I'm okay. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if there's a percentage that that works for forever,
Speaker 1: but my guess would be that that is a personality
Speaker 1: trait or type that gets to the point where at
Speaker 1: some point or another you're in a near exhaustion and
Speaker 1: just not be able to handle it all.
Speaker 2: So if that happens to you, and when that happened
Speaker 2: to me, again, I love therapy.
Speaker 1: I got really interested in why I was the way
Speaker 1: that I am, or why I was the way that
Speaker 1: I was, So what is it about my development that
Speaker 1: created this condition on some level or this personality? And
Speaker 1: then when I was able to do that, I was
Speaker 1: really able to understand how to interrupt the cycle.
Speaker 2: And a lot of instances it was.
Speaker 3: Just to have it.
Speaker 1: I would default to. You know, someone didn't even have
Speaker 1: to ask me to do it, and I would volunteer
Speaker 1: it so I couldn't even be upset with the person.
Speaker 1: For you know, putting it on me or asking me
Speaker 1: to people please. I was like, I just went ahead
Speaker 1: and threw myself out there on my own.
Speaker 3: I have a question, were you people pleasing to the
Speaker 3: point of exhaustion? Sometimes that's well.
Speaker 1: When I got to exhaustion is when I started really
Speaker 1: looking at it. M yeah, just like what is going on?
Speaker 1: Because this is because it would you know why, because
Speaker 1: it no longer became sustainable. I remember there being a
Speaker 1: very clear moment of my life again with I remember
Speaker 1: there being a very clear moment of my life with
Speaker 1: four children where my whole entire life I had been
Speaker 1: able to operate without a calendar. I didn't have to
Speaker 1: put things on a Google cal I didn't have to
Speaker 1: write everything down. I could just remember everything that I
Speaker 1: had to do, and it was completely seamless, and I
Speaker 1: remembered it all and I knew where everyone had to
Speaker 1: be blah blah blah. And then there came a time
Speaker 1: where it was overwhelming and I was disappointing people because
Speaker 1: I wasn't showing up on time, where I'd forgot that
Speaker 1: this thing was there or whatever, and it was very
Speaker 1: much time for me to get a Google calendar, and
Speaker 1: it changed my life and so now everything goes into
Speaker 1: my paper planner or my Google calend sometimes both. And
Speaker 1: it was sort of that moment like I needed to
Speaker 1: a lot of times when you yourself a crisis moment
Speaker 1: of being being like, I'm setting myself on fire to
Speaker 1: keep everybody else warm, and I don't want to do
Speaker 1: that anymore because it's not sustainable and it's not good
Speaker 1: for me, and it's not good for them. So even
Speaker 1: if they were benefiting from my people pleasing, it actually
Speaker 1: wasn't good for them because it wasn't good for me.
Speaker 1: And if you're in a real relationship that it can't
Speaker 1: be good for one person and not good for the other.
Speaker 1: So then I looked at what I was doing or sorry,
Speaker 1: then I looked at how again how it was sort
Speaker 1: of created, and then not understanding how it was created,
Speaker 1: I looked at the habits that I had or the
Speaker 1: ways in which I did it without even knowing I
Speaker 1: was doing it, and I just became really aware and
Speaker 1: I said.
Speaker 2: To myself and to others that I was working on it.
Speaker 1: And then it was sort of piece by piece, and
Speaker 1: I think that there's I think that I mean, correct
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, because you're my friend and we're
Speaker 1: in relationship right. There have been other times where things
Speaker 1: like this have happened. I always find it kind of
Speaker 1: charming when I have a friend who's working on something
Speaker 1: or identify something that they are that they're doing, and
Speaker 1: they come to me and say.
Speaker 2: There's this thing I do. And sometimes it affects me.
Speaker 1: Like I say yes to everything that you know you
Speaker 1: want to do before I even think about it. And
Speaker 1: the truth is, like we do more things that you
Speaker 1: want to do than things that I want to do.
Speaker 1: And I think there's something kind of charming about being
Speaker 1: vulnerable about that and like naming it and then letting
Speaker 1: the person that clearly cares about you say, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: you are and then almost you could enlist them to
Speaker 1: help you, Like, hey, when you see me doing that thing,
Speaker 1: when you see me trying to do it all, can
Speaker 1: you please tell me to slow my role?
Speaker 2: Can you tell me to like put down the.
Speaker 1: Baby, put down the thing down, and just like see
Speaker 1: if there's some way that you can help me out
Speaker 1: in that moment, Like I need to just sort of
Speaker 1: like write my ship.
Speaker 3: I think this is I think this is such. I've
Speaker 3: just been listening this whole time. I think this is
Speaker 3: such incredible advice because I think that you can't fix
Speaker 3: anything until you get to the root of it. Is
Speaker 3: what you're saying, So why are you people pleasing? Where
Speaker 3: does that come from? And then I agree, telling people
Speaker 3: around you, like, hey, I have this thing I'm working
Speaker 3: on and enlisting them is really helpful because then you
Speaker 3: feel like you're not disappointing people and that they're part
Speaker 3: of this process with you. And you have a little one,
Speaker 3: and so a lot of your energy goes into not
Speaker 3: people pleasing your kid, but like so much you give
Speaker 3: already so much of yourself to your children, so you've
Speaker 3: got to like leave something for yourself. And I think
Speaker 3: that if you're overly people pleasing all the time, you're
Speaker 3: giving away pieces of yourself, right, like you said, So,
Speaker 3: I think this is incredible advice, all of that, all
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 1: Well, I think there's the other thing because she mentions
Speaker 1: being a mom in the trouble setting boundaries, And I'm
Speaker 1: making this up in my mind because this is something
Speaker 1: I went through. But a lot of times, you know,
Speaker 1: generational things will change or shift and things won't be good.
Speaker 1: There's a million if you want some real entertainment. There's
Speaker 1: a million different very hilarious like videos where you know,
Speaker 1: a millennial daughter will be with her boomer mom and
Speaker 1: the millennial mom will be telling the boomer mom like
Speaker 1: what she can and can't do with her baby, and
Speaker 1: it's all hilarious and oh, yes, you're just talking about
Speaker 1: But a lot of times when you're figuring out how
Speaker 1: you want your baby's life to be, right, like when
Speaker 1: you want them to eat, or how you want them
Speaker 1: to dress, or just all of it, you I get it.
Speaker 2: You could be people pleased to read with people you love.
Speaker 1: And you can just go along with what they want
Speaker 1: or what they say, but you might have stronger opinions.
Speaker 1: And again I think that just say it, Just say
Speaker 1: like listen, I'm trying to do my best and I heard,
Speaker 1: you know, I heard nonstick skillets aren't great, and I
Speaker 1: know that that's all we have at home, but like,
Speaker 1: could you know, could you could you help me out here?
Speaker 1: Like could you look at this and like see if
Speaker 1: you think the science is interesting or you think that
Speaker 1: this is I don't know, compelling on some level, because
Speaker 1: I think the invitation to be in hoots with you
Speaker 1: is always one that is usually looked up one favorably agreed.
Speaker 3: I love that I was at answer love that all right?
Speaker 3: Read that we have one more.
Speaker 1: Okay, Kayla, Kayla, Hi, Jessica and Camilla. I'm writing to
Speaker 1: you from Finland. I moved here last year from South Africa.
Speaker 1: I know, a big, big move. My questions relate to
Speaker 1: moving and building community and new places. How would you
Speaker 1: both advise to keep up relationships with people far away
Speaker 1: and to cope with missing family and friends.
Speaker 2: Another question I have.
Speaker 1: Is how would you guys approach building a new community
Speaker 1: in a new culture, and in my case there is
Speaker 1: a new language as well and crazy weather.
Speaker 3: That's a big question.
Speaker 2: Kayla, you're in it well.
Speaker 3: First off, what I would do because I've moved continents
Speaker 3: and been away from family and friends, so this is
Speaker 3: my jam. I've done this many times. I think it's
Speaker 3: always good if you can afford right and take the
Speaker 3: time off. I think it's always good to plan a
Speaker 3: trip so that when you're having that missing moment, you
Speaker 3: know that at this time that you have something to
Speaker 3: look forward to when you're all going to be together.
Speaker 3: And this sounds ridiculous, but during COVID I could not
Speaker 3: see my family. I didn't see them for almost I
Speaker 3: want to say a year and a half two years.
Speaker 3: We made quiz nights on FaceTime with my family, and
Speaker 3: so one of us would be in charge of like
Speaker 3: a quiz night, and we would write down questions and
Speaker 3: we would all get on FaceTime and we would literally
Speaker 3: do these little quizzes together and it was really fun.
Speaker 3: We had a family like game night basically, and it
Speaker 3: was fun for all of us to get together. And
Speaker 3: it was just such a simple thing. But it made
Speaker 3: me kind of feel like I had hung out with
Speaker 3: my family. I'd pour a glass of wine, we'd laugh,
Speaker 3: we'd go through all these questions, and then we'd say bye.
Speaker 3: But God bless technology. Now, I think there's ways to
Speaker 3: make your family feel like they're close to you, your
Speaker 3: friends feel like they're close to you. Put in the
Speaker 3: effort make those calls. I've had times when I've zoomed
Speaker 3: with girlfriends FaceTime with girlfriends, I've been like, do you
Speaker 3: want a wine night? And I'm literally pouring a wine
Speaker 3: and starting a movie with them the same time. We
Speaker 3: learned all these things during COVID. I feel like too
Speaker 3: with friends also, But I think try and make a
Speaker 3: trip if you can, and in the meantime use technology
Speaker 3: to your advantage and get creative about how to maintain
Speaker 3: these relationships and make it feel cute with your family
Speaker 3: and your friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that's that's all incredibly good advice.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: And by the way, you know, going back to our
Speaker 1: origin story, Camila and I used to see each other
Speaker 1: at least every week because we'd see each other at work.
Speaker 1: And then I moved and there is a little bit
Speaker 1: of a speedbump, right, there's a new habit to learn,
Speaker 1: which is calling each other. Well, we had to deal
Speaker 1: with the time zone, which, even though three hours doesn't
Speaker 1: seem like a big deal, you know, the end of
Speaker 1: nearing the end of my day is she's squarely in
Speaker 1: the middle of hers.
Speaker 2: But you just sort of persist.
Speaker 1: So the people that mean the most to you you
Speaker 1: will actually never lose the inclination to call.
Speaker 2: And it's so great because they're outside of your.
Speaker 1: System and you can check in with them about, you know,
Speaker 1: funny and curious things to you. I think new community
Speaker 1: in a new culture and new language.
Speaker 2: I would say, for me, your first most important situation
Speaker 2: is the language.
Speaker 1: But go for that first because that will be, you know,
Speaker 1: the beginning of everything with everyone else and for everything else.
Speaker 1: So I would say, if I was prioritizing, I would
Speaker 1: get some real familiarity with the language. If you're anything
Speaker 1: like me, I love learning it and I can be
Speaker 1: great on the dual lingo or reading it or writing it.
Speaker 1: But then when I'm actually in conversation, I totally freeze
Speaker 1: and I get self conscious and I'm unsure. Camilla has
Speaker 1: been with me in France a couple times, so she
Speaker 1: knows what this is like. That being said, just lean
Speaker 1: into it and again, and everyone's going to find it
Speaker 1: so charming that you're trying, and that's all that really matters.
Speaker 2: And I don't know what your.
Speaker 1: Situation is, but I would say, you know, if you're working,
Speaker 1: then I would just if there's work, friend to be
Speaker 1: had or made, if there's oh, she's gonna say it again,
Speaker 1: a gym to join, yeah, a class.
Speaker 3: I do have to say this. I can say this.
Speaker 3: When I moved to Los Angeles, I realized very soon
Speaker 3: that if I wanted to deep dive into the Brits
Speaker 3: here in Los Angeles there was very much a community
Speaker 3: of like getting together as Brits and you know, like
Speaker 3: that expat kind of like group, like meet at the
Speaker 3: pub together. We all move from England. I'm sure there
Speaker 3: is a version of that in any country wherever you're from,
Speaker 3: where you can literally google and find people from wherever
Speaker 3: you are, wherever you move from, and if you're sort
Speaker 3: of missing your own community, right and you can get together.
Speaker 3: And it was nice because I did meet people that way,
Speaker 3: and so when you know, the UK, when England was
Speaker 3: playing in the World Cup, we'd all get together at
Speaker 3: the pub and watch together.
Speaker 4: Have a pint, have a pint, hey cheery out, Not really,
Speaker 4: but that's fun when I'm back in nineteen fifty a, yeah,
Speaker 4: I have yeah, have cup to day.
Speaker 3: But there's always community, right, like even your own community
Speaker 3: if you're missing it. So I think that that is
Speaker 3: also a way to set roots down, fun and find
Speaker 3: some people that are in a similar situation to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh and you're the last piece, which was the
Speaker 1: crazy weather. So I remember my first year here, I
Speaker 1: just looked around at everybody at all their gear.
Speaker 2: Like how do you know when to where?
Speaker 1: Because there were so many times that I wore the
Speaker 1: wrong thing and didn't have I ended up with the
Speaker 1: with the loafers that will look like tiny swimming pools.
Speaker 2: You know where. I just didn't have the right thing.
Speaker 2: So again, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think that there's always just something you said for
Speaker 1: asking a lot of questions. I mean, don't be annoying,
Speaker 1: but ask a lot of questions.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Also, just I think moving is so exciting. I do too,
Speaker 3: and I always say this to everybody. Always go home, Yes,
Speaker 3: home as always there. You can always go home. I'm
Speaker 3: a little.
Speaker 2: Jealous of the newness though.
Speaker 1: It's such a fantastic moment. My gosh, it's so exciting.
Speaker 1: Possibilities are endless.
Speaker 3: Okay, call it crew, Thank you so much for writing in.
Speaker 3: We will continue, obviously to always do a fan Q
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Speaker 3: about the show and our characters, and we will make
Speaker 3: sure to answer them all.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3: You want to call it, let's call it the end
Speaker 3: of the