1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: Call It What It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camille Luddington, 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: an iHeartRadio podcast. 3 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 2: Well, Hello, Hello, hello. 4 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 3: And welcome to another episode of Call It Short and Sweet. 5 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 4: What's Up? 6 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 3: What's Up? Today? We have dedicated the episode to a 7 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 3: fan Q and A. The Call It crew have always 8 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 3: always give us the best material, and so why not 9 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 3: dedicate an episode two questions that you have that Jessica 10 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 3: and I can dive right into. 11 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: This is where we also remind you that we are 12 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: unlicensed to advise. Nothing gives us any sort of special 13 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: reason why we should be able to answer your questions. 14 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: But at this point, if you've written in, then there 15 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: must be something that you feel like you get from us, 16 00:00:58,600 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: and so. 17 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 3: We're here to give it. Yep. 18 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 2: All right, We're going to. 19 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: Start with Sydney, who wrote in and said, Hi, Camilla 20 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: and Jessica, my boyfriend and I are planning on getting 21 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: engaged within six months to a year. I am so excited. 22 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: He is the man of my dreams and I truly 23 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 1: think we pair together so well. But we had a 24 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: conversation the other night and he told me that I 25 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: was his third favorite person in the world, behind his 26 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: mom and sister. I love both of them so much, 27 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: so I'm glad that they're going to be part of 28 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: my future family. But I am struggling with the thought 29 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: of being third. I always told myself I would be 30 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: in a relationship and a marriage where we put each 31 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: other first and pick each other every day, and I 32 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: feel like that ninety percent of the time with his actions, 33 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: but him saying that has been stuck. 34 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 2: In my head for weeks. 35 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: Now Do I wait it out until closer to an 36 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: engagement to say anything, or is it something I bring 37 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: up now? Or am I out of line for wanting 38 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: to be number one? Thank you guys so much for 39 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: your advice and for being so open and honest in 40 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: these podcasts. 41 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 3: I'll tell you the thing has stuck out to me, actually, 42 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 3: was she feels like ninety percent of the time his 43 00:01:56,200 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 3: actions show that she's first, right, and this comment is 44 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 3: throwing her a little. I personally would want a little 45 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 3: maybe clarification. It's hard. That's family, that's who he's grown 46 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 3: up with. Of course he loves those women in his life, right. 47 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 3: I think there's a natural situation. 48 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 2: Are you wondering if ninety percents enough? 49 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 3: I'm assuming that her ninety percent. Is I feel like 50 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 3: that ninety percent the time with its actions, But him 51 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 3: saying that has stuck in my head for weeks now. 52 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 3: I think the ten percent is the comment. 53 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: So ten percent of the time she feels like she's third, 54 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: you think so so specific by the way, I think 55 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: I was sort of more excrecting, like I'm second behind mom, 56 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: but mom and sister, I. 57 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 3: Think is I know, the sister part's really a little 58 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 3: bit strange. I mean, I love my siblings, but you know, 59 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 3: come on, come on now, if you're going to get engaged. 60 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 3: But my point is as a relationship progresses, I think, 61 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 3: you know, if you get married and then you're having children, 62 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 3: the mother of your children and your wife should be 63 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 3: number one. That's how it should be for sure. So 64 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 3: I'm wondering if this will just be a natural rearrangement 65 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 3: of this order. But it's bizarre he even said it 66 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 3: in the first place. 67 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of feel like that's one of those 68 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: things where if I were, if I were a friend 69 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: of his, I'd be like, you can tuck that in, 70 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: tuck it in there. You don't need to say that, 71 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:25,119 Speaker 1: Like you don't need to be that explicit because I mean, 72 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: you know, it's funny because I talk about this a lot, 73 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: but I grew up. You know, my mom was single 74 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: for a big part of my younger years, and it was, 75 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: you know, very much a lot of being like she 76 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: and I against the world. And when you have one 77 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: parent that's everything to you. 78 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 2: For sure. There's a sort of very. 79 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: Strong bond there that I think is not only lovely 80 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: but necessary, right and great. That being said, is you 81 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: mature as you get older, whereas I might have in 82 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: my younger years been like I can't even imagine loving 83 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: so one as much as I love my mom. 84 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 2: You do. 85 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: You end up falling in love with your person, and 86 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: then you do love them more than anyone, and they 87 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: become your number one. And I mean, listen, also, a 88 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: little bit like someone asking someone to like rank their 89 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: beloved is a little bit like, I don't think we 90 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: need to do that. But in the in the mom category, 91 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: she was my number one, and in my partner category, 92 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: Christopher was my number one. So it's like, I think 93 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: that you got to just be a little bit Maybe 94 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: I don't know, I think that the literal part of it, 95 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,359 Speaker 1: it could get a little sticky, So I don't know, 96 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: that you need to like wait to get engaged to 97 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 1: bring up something that's bothering you. I think that if 98 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: you have something that is you're bumping on and you're 99 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: thinking about spending in the rest of your life with someone, 100 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: I think that you you say, like, hey, not a 101 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 1: big deal, but I'm a little bit bumping on this. 102 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 103 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:58,679 Speaker 3: I don't think it's breakup worthy. 104 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:00,559 Speaker 1: No, but I would be like, tell tell me more, 105 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: like mom and sister, I think. And I'd also think 106 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: I maybe would be playful about it. 107 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so too, I I and I I. Yeah, 108 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 3: I would want him to explain a little bit more 109 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 3: because maybe there's also a misunderstanding of what that really 110 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 3: means to him. 111 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, And you never know someone's you never know what 112 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: someone's going through, And there might be something where, you know, 113 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: he feels like he has to be there for his 114 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: mother and sister, you know, through thick and kat and 115 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 1: for the rest of their lives. Right, might be like 116 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: a protector thing might be like a that's a stupid 117 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 1: thing to say, but I mean like not like protector thing, 118 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: but like it might be a might be a dynamic 119 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: that was created in their home life where it was 120 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: you know he's always going to be the one that's, 121 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: you know, fronting up for them or. 122 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 2: Who knows because he doesn't say he doesn't say his dad. 123 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 3: No, he doesn't say his dad. Yeah, what's the dynamic there? 124 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: I'd get curious, And when I think, I'd ask about 125 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: the dynamic because I also think that understood you're thinking 126 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: about the thing. 127 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 2: The rest of your life with someone. 128 00:05:54,680 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: Understanding the dynamic early on is only going to benefit you, 129 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: you know. 130 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 2: Because because it will. 131 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: And if you end up spending again the rest of 132 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: your life with someone and then you have you know, 133 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 1: you get into deep partnership and then marriage, and then 134 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: if there's children, then you want to understand, like you 135 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: want to get the operating instructions and you want to 136 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: get the roadmap to that dynamic and sort of get 137 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: understand what it is about them that makes him feel 138 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: like he has to make mom and. 139 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 2: Sister one and two. 140 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, yeah, yeah, I don't think these things are 141 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 3: so black and white, and I think that, Yeah, I 142 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 3: think you're just it's you get curious, just like you said, 143 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 3: and you have a conversation. 144 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 1: And also I'm gonna tell you something I don't want 145 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:40,919 Speaker 1: to be anyone who I'm in love with, I do 146 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: not want to be their number three. 147 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 3: No, yes, but I think we have to. That's why 148 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 3: I think you have to get curious, like you said, 149 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,679 Speaker 3: and have a conversation because is it really a ranking 150 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 3: of and I love you less? Like or what is 151 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 3: this ranking? Do you know what I mean? 152 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 2: Like? 153 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 3: What does this exactly mean to you? And listen? If 154 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 3: you're number three in like the amount of love he's 155 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 3: giving to you, then you can reassess. 156 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and I guess i'd want to know more 157 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: about that too, because maybe if it's it's if it's 158 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 1: in priorities, I want to know that, like if I'm 159 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: a third, like if mom and sister needs you, then yeah, 160 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: and I need you? Will I be third in line 161 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: to get what I need? Because that's the point that 162 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: I want to be with someone who I'm first. 163 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's you start the conversation of what 164 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 3: the sale all means? Okay, Marcy wrote, Hi, ladies, love 165 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 3: the podcast so far. I know. In one of the 166 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 3: earlier episodes, Jessica Mens mentioned she used to be a 167 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 3: people pleaser. If you're comfortable, could you share how you 168 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 3: were able to stop being a people pleaser, and do 169 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 3: both of you have any advice on how to stop 170 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 3: being a people pleaser. I'm a big time people pleaser 171 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 3: to the point where I'm not putting myself first when 172 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 3: I need to, especially now that I'm a mom and 173 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 3: have trouble setting boundaries with people regarding what's best for 174 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 3: my baby. So I don't want my people pleasing affecting 175 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 3: my baby girl now too. 176 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 2: Please help, Oh, I get that. Yes, I have said that. 177 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: I the way that I was put together was pretty 178 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: people pleasery and skewed tho way for so many different reasons, 179 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: which and the the reason I bring that up is 180 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: because I think it's really important to get to the 181 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: root of things sometimes to understand why something is before 182 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: you figure out how to either dismantle it or change it. 183 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: So I think that that was really important to me. Like, 184 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: why am I a people pleaser? Well, I mean, I 185 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 1: can tell you all the reasons I was people pleaser, 186 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: and some of them were sort of random and some 187 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: of them were very specific, but typically oldest. 188 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 2: Daughters and families or people pleasers. 189 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: Again, I had two single parents. I was going back 190 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: and forth between households, so I sort of always had 191 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: to make things okay. So anyways, you get my point, 192 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: there's a route to people pleasing and then then you're 193 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: a grown up and you're like, oh my gosh, I 194 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: put everyone first and I'm making sure that everybody is 195 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: okay before I make sure that I'm okay. And I 196 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: don't know if there's a percentage that that works for forever, 197 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: but my guess would be that that is a personality 198 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: trait or type that gets to the point where at 199 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: some point or another you're in a near exhaustion and 200 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: just not be able to handle it all. 201 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 2: So if that happens to you, and when that happened 202 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 2: to me, again, I love therapy. 203 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 1: I got really interested in why I was the way 204 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: that I am, or why I was the way that 205 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: I was, So what is it about my development that 206 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: created this condition on some level or this personality? And 207 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: then when I was able to do that, I was 208 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 1: really able to understand how to interrupt the cycle. 209 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 2: And a lot of instances it was. 210 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 3: Just to have it. 211 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: I would default to. You know, someone didn't even have 212 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: to ask me to do it, and I would volunteer 213 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: it so I couldn't even be upset with the person. 214 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 1: For you know, putting it on me or asking me 215 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: to people please. I was like, I just went ahead 216 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 1: and threw myself out there on my own. 217 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 3: I have a question, were you people pleasing to the 218 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 3: point of exhaustion? Sometimes that's well. 219 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: When I got to exhaustion is when I started really 220 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: looking at it. M yeah, just like what is going on? 221 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: Because this is because it would you know why, because 222 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: it no longer became sustainable. I remember there being a 223 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,839 Speaker 1: very clear moment of my life again with I remember 224 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: there being a very clear moment of my life with 225 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: four children where my whole entire life I had been 226 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: able to operate without a calendar. I didn't have to 227 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: put things on a Google cal I didn't have to 228 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 1: write everything down. I could just remember everything that I 229 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: had to do, and it was completely seamless, and I 230 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: remembered it all and I knew where everyone had to 231 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: be blah blah blah. And then there came a time 232 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 1: where it was overwhelming and I was disappointing people because 233 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: I wasn't showing up on time, where I'd forgot that 234 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: this thing was there or whatever, and it was very 235 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 1: much time for me to get a Google calendar, and 236 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: it changed my life and so now everything goes into 237 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: my paper planner or my Google calend sometimes both. And 238 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: it was sort of that moment like I needed to 239 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: a lot of times when you yourself a crisis moment 240 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: of being being like, I'm setting myself on fire to 241 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: keep everybody else warm, and I don't want to do 242 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: that anymore because it's not sustainable and it's not good 243 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 1: for me, and it's not good for them. So even 244 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 1: if they were benefiting from my people pleasing, it actually 245 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: wasn't good for them because it wasn't good for me. 246 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: And if you're in a real relationship that it can't 247 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: be good for one person and not good for the other. 248 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: So then I looked at what I was doing or sorry, 249 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: then I looked at how again how it was sort 250 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: of created, and then not understanding how it was created, 251 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: I looked at the habits that I had or the 252 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: ways in which I did it without even knowing I 253 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: was doing it, and I just became really aware and 254 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: I said. 255 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,319 Speaker 2: To myself and to others that I was working on it. 256 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: And then it was sort of piece by piece, and 257 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 1: I think that there's I think that I mean, correct 258 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, because you're my friend and we're 259 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 1: in relationship right. There have been other times where things 260 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: like this have happened. I always find it kind of 261 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 1: charming when I have a friend who's working on something 262 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: or identify something that they are that they're doing, and 263 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: they come to me and say. 264 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 2: There's this thing I do. And sometimes it affects me. 265 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: Like I say yes to everything that you know you 266 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: want to do before I even think about it. And 267 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: the truth is, like we do more things that you 268 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: want to do than things that I want to do. 269 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 1: And I think there's something kind of charming about being 270 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,559 Speaker 1: vulnerable about that and like naming it and then letting 271 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,839 Speaker 1: the person that clearly cares about you say, oh my gosh, 272 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: you are and then almost you could enlist them to 273 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: help you, Like, hey, when you see me doing that thing, 274 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 1: when you see me trying to do it all, can 275 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: you please tell me to slow my role? 276 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 2: Can you tell me to like put down the. 277 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: Baby, put down the thing down, and just like see 278 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: if there's some way that you can help me out 279 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: in that moment, Like I need to just sort of 280 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: like write my ship. 281 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 3: I think this is I think this is such. I've 282 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 3: just been listening this whole time. I think this is 283 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 3: such incredible advice because I think that you can't fix 284 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 3: anything until you get to the root of it. Is 285 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 3: what you're saying, So why are you people pleasing? Where 286 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 3: does that come from? And then I agree, telling people 287 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 3: around you, like, hey, I have this thing I'm working 288 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 3: on and enlisting them is really helpful because then you 289 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,839 Speaker 3: feel like you're not disappointing people and that they're part 290 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 3: of this process with you. And you have a little one, 291 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 3: and so a lot of your energy goes into not 292 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 3: people pleasing your kid, but like so much you give 293 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:37,439 Speaker 3: already so much of yourself to your children, so you've 294 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 3: got to like leave something for yourself. And I think 295 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 3: that if you're overly people pleasing all the time, you're 296 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 3: giving away pieces of yourself, right, like you said, So, 297 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 3: I think this is incredible advice, all of that, all 298 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 3: of it. 299 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: Well, I think there's the other thing because she mentions 300 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: being a mom in the trouble setting boundaries, And I'm 301 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: making this up in my mind because this is something 302 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: I went through. But a lot of times, you know, 303 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: generational things will change or shift and things won't be good. 304 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: There's a million if you want some real entertainment. There's 305 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: a million different very hilarious like videos where you know, 306 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: a millennial daughter will be with her boomer mom and 307 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: the millennial mom will be telling the boomer mom like 308 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: what she can and can't do with her baby, and 309 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: it's all hilarious and oh, yes, you're just talking about 310 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: But a lot of times when you're figuring out how 311 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: you want your baby's life to be, right, like when 312 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: you want them to eat, or how you want them 313 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: to dress, or just all of it, you I get it. 314 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 2: You could be people pleased to read with people you love. 315 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: And you can just go along with what they want 316 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: or what they say, but you might have stronger opinions. 317 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: And again I think that just say it, Just say 318 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: like listen, I'm trying to do my best and I heard, 319 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: you know, I heard nonstick skillets aren't great, and I 320 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: know that that's all we have at home, but like, 321 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: could you know, could you could you help me out here? 322 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: Like could you look at this and like see if 323 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: you think the science is interesting or you think that 324 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: this is I don't know, compelling on some level, because 325 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: I think the invitation to be in hoots with you 326 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: is always one that is usually looked up one favorably agreed. 327 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 3: I love that I was at answer love that all right? 328 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 3: Read that we have one more. 329 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: Okay, Kayla, Kayla, Hi, Jessica and Camilla. I'm writing to 330 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: you from Finland. I moved here last year from South Africa. 331 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: I know, a big, big move. My questions relate to 332 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: moving and building community and new places. How would you 333 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: both advise to keep up relationships with people far away 334 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: and to cope with missing family and friends. 335 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 2: Another question I have. 336 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: Is how would you guys approach building a new community 337 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: in a new culture, and in my case there is 338 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: a new language as well and crazy weather. 339 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 3: That's a big question. 340 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 2: Kayla, you're in it well. 341 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 3: First off, what I would do because I've moved continents 342 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 3: and been away from family and friends, so this is 343 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 3: my jam. I've done this many times. I think it's 344 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 3: always good if you can afford right and take the 345 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 3: time off. I think it's always good to plan a 346 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 3: trip so that when you're having that missing moment, you 347 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 3: know that at this time that you have something to 348 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 3: look forward to when you're all going to be together. 349 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 3: And this sounds ridiculous, but during COVID I could not 350 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 3: see my family. I didn't see them for almost I 351 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 3: want to say a year and a half two years. 352 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 3: We made quiz nights on FaceTime with my family, and 353 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 3: so one of us would be in charge of like 354 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 3: a quiz night, and we would write down questions and 355 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 3: we would all get on FaceTime and we would literally 356 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 3: do these little quizzes together and it was really fun. 357 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 3: We had a family like game night basically, and it 358 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 3: was fun for all of us to get together. And 359 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 3: it was just such a simple thing. But it made 360 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 3: me kind of feel like I had hung out with 361 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 3: my family. I'd pour a glass of wine, we'd laugh, 362 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 3: we'd go through all these questions, and then we'd say bye. 363 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 3: But God bless technology. Now, I think there's ways to 364 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 3: make your family feel like they're close to you, your 365 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 3: friends feel like they're close to you. Put in the 366 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 3: effort make those calls. I've had times when I've zoomed 367 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 3: with girlfriends FaceTime with girlfriends, I've been like, do you 368 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 3: want a wine night? And I'm literally pouring a wine 369 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 3: and starting a movie with them the same time. We 370 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 3: learned all these things during COVID. I feel like too 371 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 3: with friends also, But I think try and make a 372 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 3: trip if you can, and in the meantime use technology 373 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 3: to your advantage and get creative about how to maintain 374 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 3: these relationships and make it feel cute with your family 375 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 3: and your friends. 376 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that's that's all incredibly good advice. 377 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 2: I love it. 378 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: And by the way, you know, going back to our 379 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: origin story, Camila and I used to see each other 380 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: at least every week because we'd see each other at work. 381 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: And then I moved and there is a little bit 382 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: of a speedbump, right, there's a new habit to learn, 383 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 1: which is calling each other. Well, we had to deal 384 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 1: with the time zone, which, even though three hours doesn't 385 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 1: seem like a big deal, you know, the end of 386 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: nearing the end of my day is she's squarely in 387 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 1: the middle of hers. 388 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 2: But you just sort of persist. 389 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: So the people that mean the most to you you 390 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: will actually never lose the inclination to call. 391 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 2: And it's so great because they're outside of your. 392 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,679 Speaker 1: System and you can check in with them about, you know, 393 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: funny and curious things to you. I think new community 394 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: in a new culture and new language. 395 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 2: I would say, for me, your first most important situation 396 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 2: is the language. 397 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: But go for that first because that will be, you know, 398 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: the beginning of everything with everyone else and for everything else. 399 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: So I would say, if I was prioritizing, I would 400 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 1: get some real familiarity with the language. If you're anything 401 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: like me, I love learning it and I can be 402 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 1: great on the dual lingo or reading it or writing it. 403 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: But then when I'm actually in conversation, I totally freeze 404 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: and I get self conscious and I'm unsure. Camilla has 405 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 1: been with me in France a couple times, so she 406 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: knows what this is like. That being said, just lean 407 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 1: into it and again, and everyone's going to find it 408 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 1: so charming that you're trying, and that's all that really matters. 409 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 2: And I don't know what your. 410 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: Situation is, but I would say, you know, if you're working, 411 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: then I would just if there's work, friend to be 412 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: had or made, if there's oh, she's gonna say it again, 413 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: a gym to join, yeah, a class. 414 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 3: I do have to say this. I can say this. 415 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 3: When I moved to Los Angeles, I realized very soon 416 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 3: that if I wanted to deep dive into the Brits 417 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 3: here in Los Angeles there was very much a community 418 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 3: of like getting together as Brits and you know, like 419 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 3: that expat kind of like group, like meet at the 420 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 3: pub together. We all move from England. I'm sure there 421 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 3: is a version of that in any country wherever you're from, 422 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 3: where you can literally google and find people from wherever 423 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 3: you are, wherever you move from, and if you're sort 424 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 3: of missing your own community, right and you can get together. 425 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 3: And it was nice because I did meet people that way, 426 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 3: and so when you know, the UK, when England was 427 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 3: playing in the World Cup, we'd all get together at 428 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 3: the pub and watch together. 429 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 4: Have a pint, have a pint, hey cheery out, Not really, 430 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 4: but that's fun when I'm back in nineteen fifty a, yeah, 431 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 4: I have yeah, have cup to day. 432 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 3: But there's always community, right, like even your own community 433 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 3: if you're missing it. So I think that that is 434 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 3: also a way to set roots down, fun and find 435 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 3: some people that are in a similar situation to you. 436 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 437 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh and you're the last piece, which was the 438 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: crazy weather. So I remember my first year here, I 439 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: just looked around at everybody at all their gear. 440 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 2: Like how do you know when to where? 441 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: Because there were so many times that I wore the 442 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: wrong thing and didn't have I ended up with the 443 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: with the loafers that will look like tiny swimming pools. 444 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 2: You know where. I just didn't have the right thing. 445 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 2: So again, I don't know. 446 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: I think that there's always just something you said for 447 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 1: asking a lot of questions. I mean, don't be annoying, 448 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: but ask a lot of questions. 449 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 450 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 3: Also, just I think moving is so exciting. I do too, 451 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 3: and I always say this to everybody. Always go home, Yes, 452 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 3: home as always there. You can always go home. I'm 453 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 3: a little. 454 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 2: Jealous of the newness though. 455 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: It's such a fantastic moment. My gosh, it's so exciting. 456 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: Possibilities are endless. 457 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,199 Speaker 3: Okay, call it crew, Thank you so much for writing in. 458 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 3: We will continue, obviously to always do a fan Q 459 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:19,360 Speaker 3: and A, and in fact, if you want to make 460 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 3: one Gray's Anatomy themed, we'll be doing that again soon. 461 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 3: So write a same with your personal questions or questions 462 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 3: about the show and our characters, and we will make 463 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 3: sure to answer them all. 464 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, thank you. 465 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 3: You want to call it, let's call it the end 466 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 3: of the