WEBVTT - Buck Brief - Why Libs Are Losing Their Minds Over the ICE Shooting 0:00:11.697 --> 0:00:14.977 You're listening to the Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure 0:00:14.977 --> 0:00:17.977 you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app or 0:00:18.017 --> 0:00:22.497 wherever you get your podcasts. Why are the Democrats all 0:00:22.737 --> 0:00:26.337 show up in arms over what has happened in Minneapolis 0:00:26.337 --> 0:00:32.017 recently the shooting of the ice interrupter Lady Now, this 0:00:32.137 --> 0:00:36.537 has become something of a cause out there for the 0:00:36.777 --> 0:00:39.617 liberal media, for the left, all of them. It's a 0:00:39.657 --> 0:00:41.937 big deal for them. We will talk to our friend 0:00:42.697 --> 0:00:45.817 Wilfred Riley about this now. He's the author of Lies. 0:00:45.857 --> 0:00:48.377 My liberal teacher told me it's a great book. Go 0:00:48.457 --> 0:00:49.337 get a copy of it. 0:00:49.937 --> 0:00:51.537 Wilfrid. What's happening here? 0:00:51.777 --> 0:00:54.577 It seems like they want to make this a really 0:00:54.617 --> 0:00:57.057 big thing, but their hearts aren't as in it as 0:00:57.097 --> 0:00:58.777 when Saint George Floyd was killed. 0:00:58.817 --> 0:00:59.617 So what's going on? 0:01:01.657 --> 0:01:01.897 Yeah? 0:01:01.937 --> 0:01:03.737 I mean, like some of my buddies have been kind 0:01:03.737 --> 0:01:06.177 of roasting this almost online, like it's harder to get 0:01:06.177 --> 0:01:10.537 people to riot for middle class white people, and there's 0:01:10.577 --> 0:01:13.377 an element of cynicism to that, but there's probably also 0:01:13.457 --> 0:01:14.137 some reality. 0:01:14.977 --> 0:01:15.897 You know, this is. 0:01:17.377 --> 0:01:22.537 Not quite as good as easy, as effective a martyr, 0:01:23.457 --> 0:01:26.577 you know, in reality, the actual story here is a 0:01:26.617 --> 0:01:29.617 pretty non sympathetic story, and the actual Jacob Blake and 0:01:29.697 --> 0:01:32.217 George Floyd's stories weren't necessarily all that sympathetic. 0:01:32.497 --> 0:01:34.377 But I mean, this is a woman that's part of 0:01:34.377 --> 0:01:35.257 one of these groups. 0:01:35.337 --> 0:01:37.337 I believe this one is ICE Watch that have been 0:01:37.337 --> 0:01:42.737 following federal agents federal policing operatives around the Twin Cities, 0:01:42.777 --> 0:01:45.897 trying to stop them basically doing their job. She and 0:01:46.017 --> 0:01:50.097 her wife get into a confrontation with ICE and I 0:01:50.137 --> 0:01:52.297 don't know whether she's trying to intentionally hit the agent 0:01:52.377 --> 0:01:54.897 or not, but there's a guy on foot in front 0:01:54.897 --> 0:01:59.697 of her suv. She accelerates the suv starts revving it 0:01:59.777 --> 0:02:01.537 up with him there, and I mean, I think my 0:02:01.577 --> 0:02:05.137 backgrounds in the law, he obviously has a very reasonable 0:02:05.177 --> 0:02:08.297 fear for his health, if not his life. He discharges 0:02:08.337 --> 0:02:12.177 three shots good firearms trail there, and she unfortunately is killed. 0:02:12.857 --> 0:02:16.417 And I think even that plays a role. A lot 0:02:16.457 --> 0:02:19.057 of people, whatever they might say publicly, are pretty aware 0:02:19.257 --> 0:02:22.737 one that this isn't a typical civil rights situation, but 0:02:22.777 --> 0:02:26.697 also two it's very easily understandable why this happened the 0:02:26.697 --> 0:02:27.417 way it did. 0:02:27.657 --> 0:02:29.537 So No, I mean, you haven't seen any riots or 0:02:29.537 --> 0:02:30.297 anything like that. 0:02:30.417 --> 0:02:32.977 I mean, you have seen a lot of outpouring from 0:02:33.017 --> 0:02:35.937 public figures. I mean, the way I described the case 0:02:36.097 --> 0:02:38.537 is pretty accurate. That's what happened in the case. But 0:02:38.577 --> 0:02:42.817 you've nonetheless seen Tim Walls today he posted to Twitter 0:02:43.057 --> 0:02:46.457 from her not gravesite, but from the location where she 0:02:46.537 --> 0:02:50.737 was shot, standing amidst all these flowers and stuffed bears 0:02:50.777 --> 0:02:53.257 and so on, saying, you have this is a real tragedy. 0:02:53.657 --> 0:02:55.897 Explain this to me if you would, Wilfrid. Why are 0:02:56.137 --> 0:02:59.097 NBA coaches calling this a murder? 0:02:59.457 --> 0:03:00.217 You had Doc. 0:03:00.137 --> 0:03:04.057 Rivers, Steve Kerry, They're farn of This is like a murder, 0:03:04.057 --> 0:03:07.337 a horrible, horrible thing. This is the worst thing that 0:03:07.337 --> 0:03:11.457 they think has happened in America in recent months. Were 0:03:11.457 --> 0:03:14.137 they speaking out when Charlie Kirk was assassinated by the way, 0:03:14.177 --> 0:03:17.417 which everyone agreed was a crime. I just like, why 0:03:17.457 --> 0:03:19.057 do they feel they need to jump in on this 0:03:19.217 --> 0:03:22.777 if you're if you're wand of Psykes at the not 0:03:22.817 --> 0:03:26.377 the Oscars, the Golden Globes, all these people they care 0:03:26.457 --> 0:03:30.097 so much about this, why, I don't know. 0:03:30.137 --> 0:03:32.497 I mean, I think it's sort of a tribal ritual. 0:03:32.537 --> 0:03:34.577 I mean, Dick Hanania who I don't agree with on 0:03:34.777 --> 0:03:36.937 all issues. But I mean he described some of this 0:03:36.977 --> 0:03:39.057 from the right what he calls the based ritual, where 0:03:39.057 --> 0:03:42.497 you're just just showing that you're you're allied to one side. 0:03:42.537 --> 0:03:44.617 I mean, he critiqued us more than the left actually 0:03:44.657 --> 0:03:46.457 with this, But you see it all the time with 0:03:46.537 --> 0:03:49.777 the left, where you're saying that I am a member 0:03:49.857 --> 0:03:50.537 of the team, I. 0:03:50.457 --> 0:03:51.337 Am a good person. 0:03:51.417 --> 0:03:56.057 Basically, you know, why would you support an illegal immigrant 0:03:56.097 --> 0:03:59.137 criminal in the first place in any situation as a 0:03:59.177 --> 0:04:02.857 white radical woman. Well, because you're making a more dramatic 0:04:03.017 --> 0:04:05.977 statement than you would by just being a regular, everyday, 0:04:06.017 --> 0:04:10.577 boring feminist, right Like, you're you're showing how wildly you're 0:04:10.577 --> 0:04:12.577 willing to be, how much of a chance you're willing 0:04:12.577 --> 0:04:14.977 to give everyone. And I think that's sort of the 0:04:15.057 --> 0:04:17.097 thing with these people. I mean, what you're saying is 0:04:17.137 --> 0:04:20.097 that you generally are willing to see the police as 0:04:20.137 --> 0:04:23.577 the bad guys. You generally are willing to assume the 0:04:23.617 --> 0:04:27.457 governments and the wrong And I mean the overall one 0:04:27.457 --> 0:04:29.417 of the messages that a lot of people are giving 0:04:29.417 --> 0:04:31.737 out when it comes to ice that I think obviously 0:04:31.817 --> 0:04:35.337 you notice, but that's really like Center on left. The 0:04:35.377 --> 0:04:38.817 mainstream message in the USA is that we shouldn't be 0:04:38.977 --> 0:04:43.777 deporting any illegal aliens. So I mean, when you say 0:04:43.817 --> 0:04:46.417 that this person is in a city where legal and 0:04:46.457 --> 0:04:49.297 illegal immigrants have ripped off twelve billion dollars, let's not 0:04:49.337 --> 0:04:53.337 forget that. And I mean her actions are almost certainly illegal. 0:04:53.977 --> 0:04:56.977 How can you cheer for what's going on here? The 0:04:57.057 --> 0:04:59.737 context there is, well, she's opposing the bad people that 0:04:59.777 --> 0:05:02.297 are sending the good people home. I think that's the 0:05:02.337 --> 0:05:04.497 framework a lot of these people have, you know, I mean, 0:05:04.977 --> 0:05:07.697 Steve Kerr is not a political expert. I liked him 0:05:07.697 --> 0:05:09.297 as a sharpshooter for the bulls, but it means you 0:05:09.377 --> 0:05:12.177 keep his mouth shut about politics. But I think that's 0:05:12.217 --> 0:05:13.217 what's going on up there. 0:05:13.217 --> 0:05:17.577 If anything is, yeah, it's It's pretty remarkable to me 0:05:17.817 --> 0:05:20.817 that in some of these you know you mentioned, there 0:05:20.817 --> 0:05:24.857 haven't been broad scale riots. There's been some some street thuggery, 0:05:25.257 --> 0:05:28.377 activist stuff in Minneapolis, you know, like they they've gathered 0:05:28.377 --> 0:05:30.657 outside a hotel where they thought ice was and I 0:05:30.657 --> 0:05:33.217 think they maybe broke some windows or something. Nothing on 0:05:33.257 --> 0:05:35.857 the scale of the George Floyd burning down police stations 0:05:35.857 --> 0:05:37.617 and all that. Of course, that would be on the 0:05:37.617 --> 0:05:39.697 news twenty four to seven just because the spectacle of 0:05:39.737 --> 0:05:42.217 it all. So it's a very scale down version of 0:05:42.257 --> 0:05:44.497 that so far, but it's some of it. 0:05:44.577 --> 0:05:47.137 I saw. We actually talked to this on radio Wilfred. 0:05:47.497 --> 0:05:52.097 They were doing like land acknowledgments at one of these 0:05:52.177 --> 0:05:54.977 Minnesota approaches before and so I think this is fascinating. 0:05:55.097 --> 0:05:59.257 So we still have to sit there and be concerned 0:05:59.257 --> 0:06:03.377 about the rights of I don't know what tribe, you know, 0:06:03.657 --> 0:06:05.817 like Algonquin or something. I don't know who's up there 0:06:05.857 --> 0:06:10.537 in Minnesota. Maybe, yeah, there were you know about this stuff. 0:06:10.657 --> 0:06:13.257 I'd have to think I'm better at the southern tribes 0:06:13.297 --> 0:06:14.857 I live in Florida. Better at the southern tribes. I 0:06:14.857 --> 0:06:16.297 don't know as many of the northern I'd say, like 0:06:16.417 --> 0:06:22.737 Sue maybe or anyway Dakota, but Lakota Dakota. So they're 0:06:22.737 --> 0:06:27.137 doing those and yet we're not allowed to enforce laws 0:06:27.577 --> 0:06:29.817 in a country that has a massive welfare state and 0:06:29.897 --> 0:06:33.777 resources that are given to those because of their physical presence. 0:06:34.177 --> 0:06:35.897 We're not allowed to be like, well, we got here first, 0:06:35.937 --> 0:06:37.497 and we say you can't just show up because you 0:06:37.537 --> 0:06:38.097 feel like it. 0:06:40.777 --> 0:06:43.617 Yeah, I mean it's well they're two different levels. I 0:06:43.617 --> 0:06:46.737 think the most entertaining thing is the Omni cause, right 0:06:46.857 --> 0:06:52.057 where you have the chubby, upper middle class lesbian feminists 0:06:52.177 --> 0:06:57.977 showing up to protest for this Somali fraudsters who can't 0:06:58.017 --> 0:07:03.217 possibly be deported, and they're all together doing land acknowledgments 0:07:03.257 --> 0:07:05.497 for the noble Ashanabi people and so on. I mean, 0:07:05.497 --> 0:07:08.377 and it's the question is like, what do all these 0:07:08.377 --> 0:07:10.777 people have in common? And I'm it really gets back 0:07:10.897 --> 0:07:14.257 to a buddy of mine, James Lindsay or vocal distance, 0:07:14.297 --> 0:07:16.817 one of those philosopher types. They tend to be pretty 0:07:16.817 --> 0:07:18.737 good on this. The idea is that you're getting back 0:07:18.777 --> 0:07:21.057 to the coalition of the fringes, right, Like, what all 0:07:21.097 --> 0:07:24.537 these people have in common is that they hate mainstream 0:07:24.937 --> 0:07:31.657 centered society, a white, middle class Christian, anyone who might 0:07:31.697 --> 0:07:35.697 own three neckties, and what they want to do is 0:07:35.857 --> 0:07:38.257 kind of rip that down, tear that down from being 0:07:38.257 --> 0:07:40.577 a majority position in the country. And then a lot 0:07:40.577 --> 0:07:42.937 of people at Abby Hoffman said this and frankly pretty 0:07:42.977 --> 0:07:45.457 much accepted that they'll all fight it out among one another. 0:07:46.017 --> 0:07:48.337 You saw this in the Muslim world, where they beat 0:07:48.377 --> 0:07:51.257 the Shah and they beat the Christian government in Lebanon, 0:07:51.297 --> 0:07:53.577 and then it was a free for all between the 0:07:53.617 --> 0:07:56.377 Communists and the Islamists and all these other, in my opinion, 0:07:56.497 --> 0:07:59.497 terrible people until you know, so one of them finally won, 0:07:59.617 --> 0:08:02.777 usually the Islamists over there. So and now, by the way, 0:08:02.817 --> 0:08:04.857 the Iranian shout to them, are coming back from this. 0:08:04.977 --> 0:08:08.377 But that's why you're seeing like a Somali woman in 0:08:08.417 --> 0:08:12.337 a he job, you know, shouting out the Native American 0:08:12.537 --> 0:08:17.257 population of the land. The last thing about this, though, 0:08:17.337 --> 0:08:21.857 I absolutely agree with you in that what happened to 0:08:21.897 --> 0:08:26.017 the natives is not an argument for Maslowian immigration. Like 0:08:26.137 --> 0:08:28.137 I'm part Native, and I get annoyed every time people 0:08:28.177 --> 0:08:31.457 bring this up, right, Like people say, well, you know, 0:08:31.657 --> 0:08:34.337 Chief Joseph fought hard for this land. Who are you 0:08:34.497 --> 0:08:36.297 to defend it now? And it's sort of like, well, 0:08:36.857 --> 0:08:40.497 Chief Joseph, you know, honor to his name, didn't want 0:08:40.817 --> 0:08:45.697 people coming in and taking away his surprisingly civilized people's land. 0:08:46.657 --> 0:08:49.977 The whole point of border defense is that stuff like 0:08:50.017 --> 0:08:53.017 that can happen where now he is a road, but 0:08:53.057 --> 0:08:55.297 his people don't own the land anymore. So, I mean, 0:08:55.457 --> 0:08:58.297 I think that the descendants of the English and Black 0:08:58.377 --> 0:09:01.297 and German and Irish people that beat him would do 0:09:01.337 --> 0:09:02.297 well to keep that in mind. 0:09:03.537 --> 0:09:03.897 Yep. 0:09:04.497 --> 0:09:07.377 And well also though the whole Land acknowledgment thing, to me, 0:09:08.217 --> 0:09:15.537 it is among the most obvious religious and ritualistic manifestations 0:09:15.617 --> 0:09:21.057 of left wing ideology today because it is purely a 0:09:21.977 --> 0:09:23.217 manifestation of. 0:09:23.177 --> 0:09:24.737 Allegiance to belief. 0:09:24.857 --> 0:09:28.497 Like, no one actually thinks we're going to what We've 0:09:28.497 --> 0:09:30.217 got three hundred and fifty million people here, like, well, 0:09:30.217 --> 0:09:31.977 what are we going to do? We're going to give 0:09:31.977 --> 0:09:35.577 it back to the to the ancestors. The whole thing 0:09:35.657 --> 0:09:37.737 is absurd and we've already had We've gone through this. 0:09:37.777 --> 0:09:39.977 We've got you know, casinos, and you've got reservations and 0:09:39.977 --> 0:09:42.577 all these different policies that already exist. So what's the 0:09:42.617 --> 0:09:45.097 point of the Land acknowledgment I don't understand. I mean 0:09:45.097 --> 0:09:47.617 I also wonder like, at what point do they start 0:09:47.657 --> 0:09:54.777 having you know, struggle sessions in UK primary schools over 0:09:55.297 --> 0:09:57.937 what they did during the Irish potato famine in eighteen forty. 0:09:58.257 --> 0:10:01.297 It's like, okay, I mean it was bad, but I 0:10:01.377 --> 0:10:03.297 don't know that people today should be Did you see 0:10:03.457 --> 0:10:07.897 you had this this Portland Police Chief Bob Day started 0:10:08.017 --> 0:10:09.977 crying because he had to do it. 0:10:11.017 --> 0:10:11.817 Do you see this? 0:10:11.817 --> 0:10:13.777 This guy starts crying, is the chief of police in 0:10:13.857 --> 0:10:16.297 Portland and chief of police and he has to admit 0:10:16.377 --> 0:10:18.737 that the trend to Arragua. Guys who tried to run 0:10:18.737 --> 0:10:21.417 over a cop who got shot were actually trend to Aragua. 0:10:22.857 --> 0:10:25.617 Why is he crying, Wilfred? Why is he crying? 0:10:27.137 --> 0:10:28.897 Well, first of all, because he shouldn't be the chief 0:10:28.937 --> 0:10:32.177 of police. I mean there's because we've created that. I 0:10:32.297 --> 0:10:35.137 actually wrote an article about this for National Review once 0:10:35.177 --> 0:10:37.737 that got into complex morality where I was talking about 0:10:37.777 --> 0:10:40.017 Nietzsche versus Jesus and so on, and I said, they're 0:10:40.417 --> 0:10:40.937 both of them. 0:10:41.017 --> 0:10:43.737 I had positive things to say about, by the. 0:10:43.737 --> 0:10:46.737 Way, but I said, they're basically three types of morality. 0:10:46.817 --> 0:10:50.417 There is master morality, which is kind of Nietzsche and 0:10:50.457 --> 0:10:53.657 the old warrior idea like strength is good. There's kind 0:10:53.657 --> 0:10:58.177 of Yeoman morality, like muscular Christianity, which is, you know, built, 0:10:58.297 --> 0:11:01.977 doing good is good, building this sort of thing, helping others. 0:11:02.257 --> 0:11:06.057 What we've kind of gotten into right now is empathic morality, 0:11:06.137 --> 0:11:09.337 which is that like not causing risk is good. Like 0:11:09.377 --> 0:11:13.377 the highest virtue isn't bravery or strength. 0:11:12.977 --> 0:11:13.857 It's empathy. 0:11:14.577 --> 0:11:16.977 And I think that that's how you get into these 0:11:17.377 --> 0:11:21.817 weird places that we are in right now, and you 0:11:21.937 --> 0:11:23.697 come to a lot of weird conclusions if you take 0:11:23.697 --> 0:11:26.497 these ideas very seriously. One of them seems to be 0:11:26.617 --> 0:11:29.337 that you shouldn't weight people at all, in like the 0:11:29.417 --> 0:11:36.057 Christian Ordo Amorus sense. So traditionally immigration has been thought 0:11:36.097 --> 0:11:38.577 of in terms of how it benefits the country that's 0:11:38.657 --> 0:11:41.417 letting in the immigrants. When I talk to lips, when 0:11:41.417 --> 0:11:44.937 I talk to modern leftists about immigration, they tend to 0:11:44.937 --> 0:11:47.537 think of it in terms of how it benefits the immigrants. 0:11:48.097 --> 0:11:50.177 So I mean, I was talking to the guy behind 0:11:50.217 --> 0:11:52.897 the Twitter account Evan Love's wharf at one point. He's 0:11:52.937 --> 0:11:55.857 actually not an idiot, but I mean, I mean the 0:11:55.857 --> 0:11:59.817 point that, like, female genital mutilation is really common in Somalia, 0:12:00.257 --> 0:12:02.297 and like this is a bad thing that's going to 0:12:02.377 --> 0:12:04.177 come to the USA if we let in large numbers 0:12:04.177 --> 0:12:06.697 of Somalis. And he said, well, at least we can 0:12:06.697 --> 0:12:09.817 punish the people doing it here, unlike Somalia, so we 0:12:09.897 --> 0:12:12.737 might helps some Somali girls. And it wasn't even a 0:12:12.777 --> 0:12:14.657 dishonorable statement. It just struck me as kind of a 0:12:14.697 --> 0:12:18.377 lunatic one like we would get a lot worse, but 0:12:18.657 --> 0:12:22.617 some Somali kids might be helped out in the country 0:12:22.697 --> 0:12:27.337 that's collapsing. I think that like, once you accept that paradigm, 0:12:27.377 --> 0:12:30.897 like it's out there, pray morality is what I call it. 0:12:31.017 --> 0:12:33.817 Nietzsche called it slave morality, so do some Christian writers. 0:12:33.857 --> 0:12:36.177 Like once you get that, like it's bad to hurt 0:12:36.177 --> 0:12:38.737 your enemies this kind of thing, then you get why 0:12:38.817 --> 0:12:42.937 you're crying because your cops ran over a gangbanger. I 0:12:43.057 --> 0:12:45.297 just like that might be a useful attitude for the 0:12:45.377 --> 0:12:47.937 manager of a homeless shelter. You just can't have that 0:12:48.057 --> 0:12:50.657 in you're chief of police. It's not even whether it's 0:12:50.697 --> 0:12:52.697 good or bad. You just can't have the cops crying 0:12:52.737 --> 0:12:54.857 because they've shot the criminals. It doesn't work. 0:12:56.097 --> 0:12:56.937 Yes, that is. 0:12:59.297 --> 0:12:59.337 You. 0:12:59.577 --> 0:13:00.617 You can't have it, you know what I mean? 0:13:00.977 --> 0:13:03.417 Well, this is awesome what you see with the A 0:13:03.777 --> 0:13:06.537 lot of the escalatory theatrics, whether it's of these ice 0:13:06.817 --> 0:13:09.777 you had the ice warriors, they call themselves rippers whatever, 0:13:09.857 --> 0:13:12.617 yeah or I yeah. But one of the things that 0:13:12.617 --> 0:13:17.217 they love to do is to antagonize police in every 0:13:17.217 --> 0:13:22.457 way they can short of requiring a physical violent let's 0:13:22.657 --> 0:13:25.337 let's be clear violent response from the cops to see 0:13:25.337 --> 0:13:27.377 if they can just you know, get them right to 0:13:27.417 --> 0:13:29.417 that edge, or oh, you know, you put your hands 0:13:29.417 --> 0:13:31.017 on me, but you weren't required. And I don't think 0:13:31.057 --> 0:13:33.337 they understand all law at the end of the day, 0:13:33.377 --> 0:13:36.137 whether it's you refusing to give someone your driver's license 0:13:36.177 --> 0:13:39.057 in a car when you're pulled over, or you're refusing 0:13:39.097 --> 0:13:41.177 a lawful command to stop when there's a scene of 0:13:41.217 --> 0:13:43.817 a crime and officers have a reasonable suspicion, like at 0:13:43.857 --> 0:13:45.497 the end of the day, if people aren't willing to 0:13:45.537 --> 0:13:47.377 put hands on you and rescue to the ground, there 0:13:47.417 --> 0:13:48.977 is no law. And I think this is what the 0:13:49.057 --> 0:13:52.457 left sort of struggles with or just ignores. They don't 0:13:52.537 --> 0:13:55.337 understand that. Whether you're a middle aged you know, a 0:13:55.417 --> 0:13:58.417 middle aged white lesbian who really opposes ice, or you're 0:13:58.457 --> 0:14:02.137 a guy who is you know, a fleeing felon who's 0:14:02.137 --> 0:14:05.017 wanted on fifteen arrest warrants, some guy has to be 0:14:05.057 --> 0:14:06.537 able to put hands on you and throw you to 0:14:06.577 --> 0:14:08.657 the ground if you don't obey lawful commands or else 0:14:08.697 --> 0:14:09.417 there is no law. 0:14:11.737 --> 0:14:16.457 Yeah, I mean, I think that's absolutely correct, and I 0:14:16.497 --> 0:14:21.217 think people have made this point for centuries, if not millennia, 0:14:21.257 --> 0:14:24.937 that like under the world of words written on paper, 0:14:24.977 --> 0:14:29.257 there's the actual world of weapons and IQ where the 0:14:29.297 --> 0:14:33.177 real games are played that uphold the fake world of 0:14:33.257 --> 0:14:36.257 words written on paper. And if you've never seen anything 0:14:36.337 --> 0:14:39.657 but the world of words written on paper, you start 0:14:39.657 --> 0:14:43.177 believing that that's actually real. And that leads to these 0:14:43.297 --> 0:14:46.137 weird encounters that we see. And I mean it goes 0:14:46.137 --> 0:14:48.897 beyond like the cop crying because the criminals are injured, 0:14:49.297 --> 0:14:51.457 to some of this stuff, like where people are looking 0:14:51.457 --> 0:14:53.537 at the cops and saying like you are one percent 0:14:53.577 --> 0:14:55.377 over the line and I do not consent to you 0:14:55.457 --> 0:14:57.897 touching me. And it's sort of just it's a lack 0:14:57.937 --> 0:15:01.137 of understanding of reality, Like it's the thinking that the 0:15:01.177 --> 0:15:04.297 formal thing that's over the real thing is actually real 0:15:04.297 --> 0:15:06.857 and will protect you, and that I mean, you see 0:15:06.857 --> 0:15:09.337 a lot of this, Like the feminist writer Kathy Young 0:15:09.457 --> 0:15:11.777 was doing this on social media for the past couple 0:15:11.777 --> 0:15:15.657 of days about this stupid car thing, like, well, maybe 0:15:15.977 --> 0:15:18.217 she hit him with a car, but it was it 0:15:18.257 --> 0:15:20.857 was very light, it was non fatal, and it's sort 0:15:20.857 --> 0:15:23.377 of like if you see someone driving towards you with 0:15:23.417 --> 0:15:26.577 an SUV and you're legally allowed to shoot them, you're 0:15:26.617 --> 0:15:29.337 probably gonna shoot them, Like you're not going to spend 0:15:29.377 --> 0:15:32.057 the split second at time you have analyzing how likely 0:15:32.097 --> 0:15:34.177 you are to die is versus just get hurt. 0:15:34.737 --> 0:15:36.697 And I think also I think people forget too. 0:15:36.737 --> 0:15:38.657 If you ever had the experience of, like, you have 0:15:38.697 --> 0:15:40.977 the right of way, you're walking and some guy just 0:15:41.017 --> 0:15:43.337 to be a jerk decide to like hit the accelerator 0:15:43.377 --> 0:15:46.777 really hard right as he's going past you on the street. Now, 0:15:46.817 --> 0:15:48.857 I'm not saying you have the right there to shoot somebody, 0:15:48.937 --> 0:15:51.497 but I am saying you get really like it's a 0:15:51.537 --> 0:15:54.257 normal human reaction to have like a surge of rage 0:15:54.497 --> 0:15:56.737 because that person did just put you in some you 0:15:56.737 --> 0:15:58.777 know again, assuming you have the right of way and somebody, 0:15:58.857 --> 0:16:00.697 I mean, this has happened to me many times before 0:16:00.697 --> 0:16:02.577 where someone just you know, decides they want to hit 0:16:02.657 --> 0:16:04.497 because they're frustrated and they're pissed off and they just 0:16:04.537 --> 0:16:06.177 want to show you how tough they are or whatever. 0:16:06.737 --> 0:16:09.977 But they zoom that three thousand pound vehicle passed you on. 0:16:10.137 --> 0:16:13.457 Necessarily you're like you're you're angry, and if you're a 0:16:13.457 --> 0:16:15.697 cop and they do it at you, like I can't 0:16:15.737 --> 0:16:17.697 imagine my response if someone actually hit me. 0:16:18.217 --> 0:16:18.857 Oh, I'm pulling. 0:16:18.897 --> 0:16:20.857 I mean, I fire a lot of guns. I'm pulling, 0:16:20.937 --> 0:16:22.017 I'm drawing, I'm shooting. 0:16:24.137 --> 0:16:26.457 Yeah. I also think there's an element of reality even 0:16:26.457 --> 0:16:28.977 on the other side there, like why would you be angry? 0:16:29.057 --> 0:16:31.217 Why would you, as a decently tough guy, jump out 0:16:31.217 --> 0:16:33.977 of the way because someone's driving towards you with a car, 0:16:34.417 --> 0:16:36.857 Like it doesn't make any sense to say, I've got 0:16:36.857 --> 0:16:40.137 the right away, buddy, I'm not moving. The reality is 0:16:40.177 --> 0:16:42.777 that everyone moves. Everyone feels a little bit punked because 0:16:42.817 --> 0:16:45.617 you're walking and somebody else is in a vehicle. So, 0:16:45.657 --> 0:16:48.537 I mean, again, they're just they're those practical realities there. 0:16:48.617 --> 0:16:52.257 Everyone recognizes that if you're in a three thousand pounds 0:16:52.337 --> 0:16:57.297 murder machine, you can kill somebody, And the conscious denial 0:16:57.337 --> 0:16:58.577 of this is really bizarre. 0:16:58.977 --> 0:16:59.857 But yeah, I. 0:16:59.817 --> 0:17:03.897 Mean, the martyrdom in this case, I don't think it's 0:17:03.897 --> 0:17:06.657 worked as well as it has before, but you're you're 0:17:06.657 --> 0:17:08.977 definitely seeing it in full swing. I mean, you're definitely 0:17:09.017 --> 0:17:11.457 seeing the I mean there's about a block and a 0:17:11.497 --> 0:17:14.777 half area of street that's just swathed with like flowers 0:17:14.857 --> 0:17:19.337 and stuffed animals, oxes of fairly expensive chocolates there are, 0:17:19.657 --> 0:17:22.617 and it's part of an ongoing mythology. 0:17:22.097 --> 0:17:22.697 By this point. 0:17:22.777 --> 0:17:25.777 So like her girl, her wife and other people have 0:17:25.977 --> 0:17:28.777 nailed not only all these paintings of her up to 0:17:28.857 --> 0:17:32.617 nearby fences, but all these paintings of like other martyrs 0:17:33.377 --> 0:17:37.897 in the whole blm slash like Matthew Shepherd gay right 0:17:38.017 --> 0:17:39.337 slash stole On struggles. 0:17:39.377 --> 0:17:40.977 So like there's a picture of George Floyd. 0:17:41.057 --> 0:17:43.377 Next time there's some Trayvon stuff there, there's got to 0:17:43.417 --> 0:17:45.377 be Trayvon somewhere in the mix, like this is these 0:17:45.377 --> 0:17:46.977 are these are the icons. 0:17:47.897 --> 0:17:48.897 It's like Freddie Gray. 0:17:48.937 --> 0:17:50.657 It's like if you go to like an old like 0:17:50.777 --> 0:17:53.857 black or Irish grandma's house and there's like christ and 0:17:53.977 --> 0:17:58.777 John F. Kennedy and like somebody else, some corrupt local politician. 0:17:58.897 --> 0:18:05.217 It's the same thing, except it's with did public figures 0:18:05.377 --> 0:18:07.137 from the past twenty years. So yeah, it was it 0:18:07.177 --> 0:18:09.937 was George Floyd. I think, Michael Brown, I don't want 0:18:09.977 --> 0:18:12.137 to exaggerate about you us at all, but like her 0:18:12.177 --> 0:18:13.417 and her wife. 0:18:13.497 --> 0:18:15.217 I've been to protests in the past, by the way, 0:18:15.257 --> 0:18:17.417 where all this where they have the actual placards and 0:18:17.497 --> 0:18:20.177 I've seen and this is pre George Floyd actually, but 0:18:20.217 --> 0:18:22.737 I've seen this person was shot by police. This person 0:18:22.817 --> 0:18:24.697 was shot by police. You know it is in the 0:18:24.737 --> 0:18:26.977 case of Trayvon. Of course the guy wasn't even a cop, 0:18:27.017 --> 0:18:30.137 but put that aside. 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