Speaker 1: You're listening to the Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure
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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. Why are the Democrats all
Speaker 1: show up in arms over what has happened in Minneapolis
Speaker 1: recently the shooting of the ice interrupter Lady Now, this
Speaker 1: has become something of a cause out there for the
Speaker 1: liberal media, for the left, all of them. It's a
Speaker 1: big deal for them. We will talk to our friend
Speaker 1: Wilfred Riley about this now. He's the author of Lies.
Speaker 1: My liberal teacher told me it's a great book. Go
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Speaker 2: Wilfrid. What's happening here?
Speaker 1: It seems like they want to make this a really
Speaker 1: big thing, but their hearts aren't as in it as
Speaker 1: when Saint George Floyd was killed.
Speaker 2: So what's going on?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I mean, like some of my buddies have been kind
Speaker 4: of roasting this almost online, like it's harder to get
Speaker 4: people to riot for middle class white people, and there's
Speaker 4: an element of cynicism to that, but there's probably also
Speaker 4: some reality.
Speaker 3: You know, this is.
Speaker 4: Not quite as good as easy, as effective a martyr,
Speaker 4: you know, in reality, the actual story here is a
Speaker 4: pretty non sympathetic story, and the actual Jacob Blake and
Speaker 4: George Floyd's stories weren't necessarily all that sympathetic.
Speaker 3: But I mean, this is a woman that's part of
Speaker 3: one of these groups.
Speaker 4: I believe this one is ICE Watch that have been
Speaker 4: following federal agents federal policing operatives around the Twin Cities,
Speaker 4: trying to stop them basically doing their job. She and
Speaker 4: her wife get into a confrontation with ICE and I
Speaker 4: don't know whether she's trying to intentionally hit the agent
Speaker 4: or not, but there's a guy on foot in front
Speaker 4: of her suv. She accelerates the suv starts revving it
Speaker 4: up with him there, and I mean, I think my
Speaker 4: backgrounds in the law, he obviously has a very reasonable
Speaker 4: fear for his health, if not his life. He discharges
Speaker 4: three shots good firearms trail there, and she unfortunately is killed.
Speaker 4: And I think even that plays a role. A lot
Speaker 4: of people, whatever they might say publicly, are pretty aware
Speaker 4: one that this isn't a typical civil rights situation, but
Speaker 4: also two it's very easily understandable why this happened the
Speaker 4: way it did.
Speaker 3: So No, I mean, you haven't seen any riots or
Speaker 3: anything like that.
Speaker 4: I mean, you have seen a lot of outpouring from
Speaker 4: public figures. I mean, the way I described the case
Speaker 4: is pretty accurate. That's what happened in the case. But
Speaker 4: you've nonetheless seen Tim Walls today he posted to Twitter
Speaker 4: from her not gravesite, but from the location where she
Speaker 4: was shot, standing amidst all these flowers and stuffed bears
Speaker 4: and so on, saying, you have this is a real tragedy.
Speaker 1: Explain this to me if you would, Wilfrid. Why are
Speaker 1: NBA coaches calling this a murder?
Speaker 2: You had Doc.
Speaker 1: Rivers, Steve Kerry, They're farn of This is like a murder,
Speaker 1: a horrible, horrible thing. This is the worst thing that
Speaker 1: they think has happened in America in recent months. Were
Speaker 1: they speaking out when Charlie Kirk was assassinated by the way,
Speaker 1: which everyone agreed was a crime. I just like, why
Speaker 1: do they feel they need to jump in on this
Speaker 1: if you're if you're wand of Psykes at the not
Speaker 1: the Oscars, the Golden Globes, all these people they care
Speaker 1: so much about this, why, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's sort of a tribal ritual.
Speaker 4: I mean, Dick Hanania who I don't agree with on
Speaker 4: all issues. But I mean he described some of this
Speaker 4: from the right what he calls the based ritual, where
Speaker 4: you're just just showing that you're you're allied to one side.
Speaker 4: I mean, he critiqued us more than the left actually
Speaker 4: with this, But you see it all the time with
Speaker 4: the left, where you're saying that I am a member
Speaker 4: of the team, I.
Speaker 3: Am a good person.
Speaker 4: Basically, you know, why would you support an illegal immigrant
Speaker 4: criminal in the first place in any situation as a
Speaker 4: white radical woman. Well, because you're making a more dramatic
Speaker 4: statement than you would by just being a regular, everyday,
Speaker 4: boring feminist, right Like, you're you're showing how wildly you're
Speaker 4: willing to be, how much of a chance you're willing
Speaker 4: to give everyone. And I think that's sort of the
Speaker 4: thing with these people. I mean, what you're saying is
Speaker 4: that you generally are willing to see the police as
Speaker 4: the bad guys. You generally are willing to assume the
Speaker 4: governments and the wrong And I mean the overall one
Speaker 4: of the messages that a lot of people are giving
Speaker 4: out when it comes to ice that I think obviously
Speaker 4: you notice, but that's really like Center on left. The
Speaker 4: mainstream message in the USA is that we shouldn't be
Speaker 4: deporting any illegal aliens. So I mean, when you say
Speaker 4: that this person is in a city where legal and
Speaker 4: illegal immigrants have ripped off twelve billion dollars, let's not
Speaker 4: forget that. And I mean her actions are almost certainly illegal.
Speaker 4: How can you cheer for what's going on here? The
Speaker 4: context there is, well, she's opposing the bad people that
Speaker 4: are sending the good people home. I think that's the
Speaker 4: framework a lot of these people have, you know, I mean,
Speaker 4: Steve Kerr is not a political expert. I liked him
Speaker 4: as a sharpshooter for the bulls, but it means you
Speaker 4: keep his mouth shut about politics. But I think that's
Speaker 4: what's going on up there.
Speaker 1: If anything is, yeah, it's It's pretty remarkable to me
Speaker 1: that in some of these you know you mentioned, there
Speaker 1: haven't been broad scale riots. There's been some some street thuggery,
Speaker 1: activist stuff in Minneapolis, you know, like they they've gathered
Speaker 1: outside a hotel where they thought ice was and I
Speaker 1: think they maybe broke some windows or something. Nothing on
Speaker 1: the scale of the George Floyd burning down police stations
Speaker 1: and all that. Of course, that would be on the
Speaker 1: news twenty four to seven just because the spectacle of
Speaker 1: it all. So it's a very scale down version of
Speaker 1: that so far, but it's some of it.
Speaker 2: I saw. We actually talked to this on radio Wilfred.
Speaker 1: They were doing like land acknowledgments at one of these
Speaker 1: Minnesota approaches before and so I think this is fascinating.
Speaker 1: So we still have to sit there and be concerned
Speaker 1: about the rights of I don't know what tribe, you know,
Speaker 1: like Algonquin or something. I don't know who's up there
Speaker 1: in Minnesota. Maybe, yeah, there were you know about this stuff.
Speaker 1: I'd have to think I'm better at the southern tribes
Speaker 1: I live in Florida. Better at the southern tribes. I
Speaker 1: don't know as many of the northern I'd say, like
Speaker 1: Sue maybe or anyway Dakota, but Lakota Dakota. So they're
Speaker 1: doing those and yet we're not allowed to enforce laws
Speaker 1: in a country that has a massive welfare state and
Speaker 1: resources that are given to those because of their physical presence.
Speaker 1: We're not allowed to be like, well, we got here first,
Speaker 1: and we say you can't just show up because you
Speaker 1: feel like it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's well they're two different levels. I
Speaker 4: think the most entertaining thing is the Omni cause, right
Speaker 4: where you have the chubby, upper middle class lesbian feminists
Speaker 4: showing up to protest for this Somali fraudsters who can't
Speaker 4: possibly be deported, and they're all together doing land acknowledgments
Speaker 4: for the noble Ashanabi people and so on. I mean,
Speaker 4: and it's the question is like, what do all these
Speaker 4: people have in common? And I'm it really gets back
Speaker 4: to a buddy of mine, James Lindsay or vocal distance,
Speaker 4: one of those philosopher types. They tend to be pretty
Speaker 4: good on this. The idea is that you're getting back
Speaker 4: to the coalition of the fringes, right, Like, what all
Speaker 4: these people have in common is that they hate mainstream
Speaker 4: centered society, a white, middle class Christian, anyone who might
Speaker 4: own three neckties, and what they want to do is
Speaker 4: kind of rip that down, tear that down from being
Speaker 4: a majority position in the country. And then a lot
Speaker 4: of people at Abby Hoffman said this and frankly pretty
Speaker 4: much accepted that they'll all fight it out among one another.
Speaker 4: You saw this in the Muslim world, where they beat
Speaker 4: the Shah and they beat the Christian government in Lebanon,
Speaker 4: and then it was a free for all between the
Speaker 4: Communists and the Islamists and all these other, in my opinion,
Speaker 4: terrible people until you know, so one of them finally won,
Speaker 4: usually the Islamists over there. So and now, by the way,
Speaker 4: the Iranian shout to them, are coming back from this.
Speaker 4: But that's why you're seeing like a Somali woman in
Speaker 4: a he job, you know, shouting out the Native American
Speaker 4: population of the land. The last thing about this, though,
Speaker 4: I absolutely agree with you in that what happened to
Speaker 4: the natives is not an argument for Maslowian immigration. Like
Speaker 4: I'm part Native, and I get annoyed every time people
Speaker 4: bring this up, right, Like people say, well, you know,
Speaker 4: Chief Joseph fought hard for this land. Who are you
Speaker 4: to defend it now? And it's sort of like, well,
Speaker 4: Chief Joseph, you know, honor to his name, didn't want
Speaker 4: people coming in and taking away his surprisingly civilized people's land.
Speaker 4: The whole point of border defense is that stuff like
Speaker 4: that can happen where now he is a road, but
Speaker 4: his people don't own the land anymore. So, I mean,
Speaker 4: I think that the descendants of the English and Black
Speaker 4: and German and Irish people that beat him would do
Speaker 4: well to keep that in mind.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: And well also though the whole Land acknowledgment thing, to me,
Speaker 1: it is among the most obvious religious and ritualistic manifestations
Speaker 1: of left wing ideology today because it is purely a
Speaker 1: manifestation of.
Speaker 2: Allegiance to belief.
Speaker 1: Like, no one actually thinks we're going to what We've
Speaker 1: got three hundred and fifty million people here, like, well,
Speaker 1: what are we going to do? We're going to give
Speaker 1: it back to the to the ancestors. The whole thing
Speaker 1: is absurd and we've already had We've gone through this.
Speaker 1: We've got you know, casinos, and you've got reservations and
Speaker 1: all these different policies that already exist. So what's the
Speaker 1: point of the Land acknowledgment I don't understand. I mean
Speaker 1: I also wonder like, at what point do they start
Speaker 1: having you know, struggle sessions in UK primary schools over
Speaker 1: what they did during the Irish potato famine in eighteen forty.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, I mean it was bad, but I
Speaker 1: don't know that people today should be Did you see
Speaker 1: you had this this Portland Police Chief Bob Day started
Speaker 1: crying because he had to do it.
Speaker 2: Do you see this?
Speaker 1: This guy starts crying, is the chief of police in
Speaker 1: Portland and chief of police and he has to admit
Speaker 1: that the trend to Arragua. Guys who tried to run
Speaker 1: over a cop who got shot were actually trend to Aragua.
Speaker 2: Why is he crying, Wilfred? Why is he crying?
Speaker 4: Well, first of all, because he shouldn't be the chief
Speaker 4: of police. I mean there's because we've created that. I
Speaker 4: actually wrote an article about this for National Review once
Speaker 4: that got into complex morality where I was talking about
Speaker 4: Nietzsche versus Jesus and so on, and I said, they're
Speaker 4: both of them.
Speaker 3: I had positive things to say about, by the.
Speaker 4: Way, but I said, they're basically three types of morality.
Speaker 4: There is master morality, which is kind of Nietzsche and
Speaker 4: the old warrior idea like strength is good. There's kind
Speaker 4: of Yeoman morality, like muscular Christianity, which is, you know, built,
Speaker 4: doing good is good, building this sort of thing, helping others.
Speaker 4: What we've kind of gotten into right now is empathic morality,
Speaker 4: which is that like not causing risk is good. Like
Speaker 4: the highest virtue isn't bravery or strength.
Speaker 3: It's empathy.
Speaker 4: And I think that that's how you get into these
Speaker 4: weird places that we are in right now, and you
Speaker 4: come to a lot of weird conclusions if you take
Speaker 4: these ideas very seriously. One of them seems to be
Speaker 4: that you shouldn't weight people at all, in like the
Speaker 4: Christian Ordo Amorus sense. So traditionally immigration has been thought
Speaker 4: of in terms of how it benefits the country that's
Speaker 4: letting in the immigrants. When I talk to lips, when
Speaker 4: I talk to modern leftists about immigration, they tend to
Speaker 4: think of it in terms of how it benefits the immigrants.
Speaker 4: So I mean, I was talking to the guy behind
Speaker 4: the Twitter account Evan Love's wharf at one point. He's
Speaker 4: actually not an idiot, but I mean, I mean the
Speaker 4: point that, like, female genital mutilation is really common in Somalia,
Speaker 4: and like this is a bad thing that's going to
Speaker 4: come to the USA if we let in large numbers
Speaker 4: of Somalis. And he said, well, at least we can
Speaker 4: punish the people doing it here, unlike Somalia, so we
Speaker 4: might helps some Somali girls. And it wasn't even a
Speaker 4: dishonorable statement. It just struck me as kind of a
Speaker 4: lunatic one like we would get a lot worse, but
Speaker 4: some Somali kids might be helped out in the country
Speaker 4: that's collapsing. I think that like, once you accept that paradigm,
Speaker 4: like it's out there, pray morality is what I call it.
Speaker 3: Nietzsche called it slave morality, so do some Christian writers.
Speaker 4: Like once you get that, like it's bad to hurt
Speaker 4: your enemies this kind of thing, then you get why
Speaker 4: you're crying because your cops ran over a gangbanger. I
Speaker 4: just like that might be a useful attitude for the
Speaker 4: manager of a homeless shelter. You just can't have that
Speaker 4: in you're chief of police. It's not even whether it's
Speaker 4: good or bad. You just can't have the cops crying
Speaker 4: because they've shot the criminals. It doesn't work.
Speaker 2: Yes, that is.
Speaker 4: You.
Speaker 2: You can't have it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Well, this is awesome what you see with the A
Speaker 1: lot of the escalatory theatrics, whether it's of these ice
Speaker 1: you had the ice warriors, they call themselves rippers whatever,
Speaker 1: yeah or I yeah. But one of the things that
Speaker 1: they love to do is to antagonize police in every
Speaker 1: way they can short of requiring a physical violent let's
Speaker 1: let's be clear violent response from the cops to see
Speaker 1: if they can just you know, get them right to
Speaker 1: that edge, or oh, you know, you put your hands
Speaker 1: on me, but you weren't required. And I don't think
Speaker 1: they understand all law at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: whether it's you refusing to give someone your driver's license
Speaker 1: in a car when you're pulled over, or you're refusing
Speaker 1: a lawful command to stop when there's a scene of
Speaker 1: a crime and officers have a reasonable suspicion, like at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, if people aren't willing to
Speaker 1: put hands on you and rescue to the ground, there
Speaker 1: is no law. And I think this is what the
Speaker 1: left sort of struggles with or just ignores. They don't
Speaker 1: understand that. Whether you're a middle aged you know, a
Speaker 1: middle aged white lesbian who really opposes ice, or you're
Speaker 1: a guy who is you know, a fleeing felon who's
Speaker 1: wanted on fifteen arrest warrants, some guy has to be
Speaker 1: able to put hands on you and throw you to
Speaker 1: the ground if you don't obey lawful commands or else
Speaker 1: there is no law.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think that's absolutely correct, and I
Speaker 4: think people have made this point for centuries, if not millennia,
Speaker 4: that like under the world of words written on paper,
Speaker 4: there's the actual world of weapons and IQ where the
Speaker 4: real games are played that uphold the fake world of
Speaker 4: words written on paper. And if you've never seen anything
Speaker 4: but the world of words written on paper, you start
Speaker 4: believing that that's actually real. And that leads to these
Speaker 4: weird encounters that we see. And I mean it goes
Speaker 4: beyond like the cop crying because the criminals are injured,
Speaker 4: to some of this stuff, like where people are looking
Speaker 4: at the cops and saying like you are one percent
Speaker 4: over the line and I do not consent to you
Speaker 4: touching me. And it's sort of just it's a lack
Speaker 4: of understanding of reality, Like it's the thinking that the
Speaker 4: formal thing that's over the real thing is actually real
Speaker 4: and will protect you, and that I mean, you see
Speaker 4: a lot of this, Like the feminist writer Kathy Young
Speaker 4: was doing this on social media for the past couple
Speaker 4: of days about this stupid car thing, like, well, maybe
Speaker 4: she hit him with a car, but it was it
Speaker 4: was very light, it was non fatal, and it's sort
Speaker 4: of like if you see someone driving towards you with
Speaker 4: an SUV and you're legally allowed to shoot them, you're
Speaker 4: probably gonna shoot them, Like you're not going to spend
Speaker 4: the split second at time you have analyzing how likely
Speaker 4: you are to die is versus just get hurt.
Speaker 2: And I think also I think people forget too.
Speaker 1: If you ever had the experience of, like, you have
Speaker 1: the right of way, you're walking and some guy just
Speaker 1: to be a jerk decide to like hit the accelerator
Speaker 1: really hard right as he's going past you on the street. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you have the right there to shoot somebody,
Speaker 1: but I am saying you get really like it's a
Speaker 1: normal human reaction to have like a surge of rage
Speaker 1: because that person did just put you in some you
Speaker 1: know again, assuming you have the right of way and somebody,
Speaker 1: I mean, this has happened to me many times before
Speaker 1: where someone just you know, decides they want to hit
Speaker 1: because they're frustrated and they're pissed off and they just
Speaker 1: want to show you how tough they are or whatever.
Speaker 1: But they zoom that three thousand pound vehicle passed you on.
Speaker 1: Necessarily you're like you're you're angry, and if you're a
Speaker 1: cop and they do it at you, like I can't
Speaker 1: imagine my response if someone actually hit me.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm pulling.
Speaker 1: I mean, I fire a lot of guns. I'm pulling,
Speaker 1: I'm drawing, I'm shooting.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I also think there's an element of reality even
Speaker 4: on the other side there, like why would you be angry?
Speaker 4: Why would you, as a decently tough guy, jump out
Speaker 4: of the way because someone's driving towards you with a car,
Speaker 4: Like it doesn't make any sense to say, I've got
Speaker 4: the right away, buddy, I'm not moving. The reality is
Speaker 4: that everyone moves. Everyone feels a little bit punked because
Speaker 4: you're walking and somebody else is in a vehicle. So,
Speaker 4: I mean, again, they're just they're those practical realities there.
Speaker 4: Everyone recognizes that if you're in a three thousand pounds
Speaker 4: murder machine, you can kill somebody, And the conscious denial
Speaker 4: of this is really bizarre.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Mean, the martyrdom in this case, I don't think it's
Speaker 4: worked as well as it has before, but you're you're
Speaker 4: definitely seeing it in full swing. I mean, you're definitely
Speaker 4: seeing the I mean there's about a block and a
Speaker 4: half area of street that's just swathed with like flowers
Speaker 4: and stuffed animals, oxes of fairly expensive chocolates there are,
Speaker 4: and it's part of an ongoing mythology.
Speaker 3: By this point.
Speaker 4: So like her girl, her wife and other people have
Speaker 4: nailed not only all these paintings of her up to
Speaker 4: nearby fences, but all these paintings of like other martyrs
Speaker 4: in the whole blm slash like Matthew Shepherd gay right
Speaker 4: slash stole On struggles.
Speaker 3: So like there's a picture of George Floyd.
Speaker 1: Next time there's some Trayvon stuff there, there's got to
Speaker 1: be Trayvon somewhere in the mix, like this is these
Speaker 1: are these are the icons.
Speaker 3: It's like Freddie Gray.
Speaker 4: It's like if you go to like an old like
Speaker 4: black or Irish grandma's house and there's like christ and
Speaker 4: John F. Kennedy and like somebody else, some corrupt local politician.
Speaker 4: It's the same thing, except it's with did public figures
Speaker 4: from the past twenty years. So yeah, it was it
Speaker 4: was George Floyd. I think, Michael Brown, I don't want
Speaker 4: to exaggerate about you us at all, but like her
Speaker 4: and her wife.
Speaker 1: I've been to protests in the past, by the way,
Speaker 1: where all this where they have the actual placards and
Speaker 1: I've seen and this is pre George Floyd actually, but
Speaker 1: I've seen this person was shot by police. This person
Speaker 1: was shot by police. You know it is in the
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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, probably not.
Speaker 4: I mean one of the things with these strongman run
Speaker 4: fairly competent governments is that they're they're unpopular with their people,
Speaker 4: but they don't really have that institutional guilt that we
Speaker 4: see in the West. So I mean in China, and
Speaker 4: I'm including even Russia, kind of that white West here.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I the the Iranians, they're they're not a
Speaker 4: match for our military, but they're probably top twenty militaries
Speaker 4: in the world.
Speaker 3: They're gonna likely do the same thing.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't want to.
Speaker 2: You're correct.
Speaker 1: The one thing that that authoritarian regimes, especially that have
Speaker 1: access to revenue from fossil fuels or drugs, but authoritarian
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Speaker 1: This is because that's what they're obsessed with. That's the
Speaker 1: goal number one. Because they know if they're not in power,
Speaker 1: you know, they're gonna end up either on the wrong
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Speaker 1: I have to look. I hope I'm wrong, but I
Speaker 1: think you gave the right answer. But we'll come back.
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you about it, and in some time
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Speaker 1: and appreciate you being with me, my man.
Speaker 2: I'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 3: Sounds good. Sounds good. Buck, have a good day.