1 00:00:11,697 --> 00:00:14,977 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure 2 00:00:14,977 --> 00:00:17,977 Speaker 1: you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app or 3 00:00:18,017 --> 00:00:22,497 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. Why are the Democrats all 4 00:00:22,737 --> 00:00:26,337 Speaker 1: show up in arms over what has happened in Minneapolis 5 00:00:26,337 --> 00:00:32,017 Speaker 1: recently the shooting of the ice interrupter Lady Now, this 6 00:00:32,137 --> 00:00:36,537 Speaker 1: has become something of a cause out there for the 7 00:00:36,777 --> 00:00:39,617 Speaker 1: liberal media, for the left, all of them. It's a 8 00:00:39,657 --> 00:00:41,937 Speaker 1: big deal for them. We will talk to our friend 9 00:00:42,697 --> 00:00:45,817 Speaker 1: Wilfred Riley about this now. He's the author of Lies. 10 00:00:45,857 --> 00:00:48,377 Speaker 1: My liberal teacher told me it's a great book. Go 11 00:00:48,457 --> 00:00:49,337 Speaker 1: get a copy of it. 12 00:00:49,937 --> 00:00:51,537 Speaker 2: Wilfrid. What's happening here? 13 00:00:51,777 --> 00:00:54,577 Speaker 1: It seems like they want to make this a really 14 00:00:54,617 --> 00:00:57,057 Speaker 1: big thing, but their hearts aren't as in it as 15 00:00:57,097 --> 00:00:58,777 Speaker 1: when Saint George Floyd was killed. 16 00:00:58,817 --> 00:00:59,617 Speaker 2: So what's going on? 17 00:01:01,657 --> 00:01:01,897 Speaker 3: Yeah? 18 00:01:01,937 --> 00:01:03,737 Speaker 4: I mean, like some of my buddies have been kind 19 00:01:03,737 --> 00:01:06,177 Speaker 4: of roasting this almost online, like it's harder to get 20 00:01:06,177 --> 00:01:10,537 Speaker 4: people to riot for middle class white people, and there's 21 00:01:10,577 --> 00:01:13,377 Speaker 4: an element of cynicism to that, but there's probably also 22 00:01:13,457 --> 00:01:14,137 Speaker 4: some reality. 23 00:01:14,977 --> 00:01:15,897 Speaker 3: You know, this is. 24 00:01:17,377 --> 00:01:22,537 Speaker 4: Not quite as good as easy, as effective a martyr, 25 00:01:23,457 --> 00:01:26,577 Speaker 4: you know, in reality, the actual story here is a 26 00:01:26,617 --> 00:01:29,617 Speaker 4: pretty non sympathetic story, and the actual Jacob Blake and 27 00:01:29,697 --> 00:01:32,217 Speaker 4: George Floyd's stories weren't necessarily all that sympathetic. 28 00:01:32,497 --> 00:01:34,377 Speaker 3: But I mean, this is a woman that's part of 29 00:01:34,377 --> 00:01:35,257 Speaker 3: one of these groups. 30 00:01:35,337 --> 00:01:37,337 Speaker 4: I believe this one is ICE Watch that have been 31 00:01:37,337 --> 00:01:42,737 Speaker 4: following federal agents federal policing operatives around the Twin Cities, 32 00:01:42,777 --> 00:01:45,897 Speaker 4: trying to stop them basically doing their job. She and 33 00:01:46,017 --> 00:01:50,097 Speaker 4: her wife get into a confrontation with ICE and I 34 00:01:50,137 --> 00:01:52,297 Speaker 4: don't know whether she's trying to intentionally hit the agent 35 00:01:52,377 --> 00:01:54,897 Speaker 4: or not, but there's a guy on foot in front 36 00:01:54,897 --> 00:01:59,697 Speaker 4: of her suv. She accelerates the suv starts revving it 37 00:01:59,777 --> 00:02:01,537 Speaker 4: up with him there, and I mean, I think my 38 00:02:01,577 --> 00:02:05,137 Speaker 4: backgrounds in the law, he obviously has a very reasonable 39 00:02:05,177 --> 00:02:08,297 Speaker 4: fear for his health, if not his life. He discharges 40 00:02:08,337 --> 00:02:12,177 Speaker 4: three shots good firearms trail there, and she unfortunately is killed. 41 00:02:12,857 --> 00:02:16,417 Speaker 4: And I think even that plays a role. A lot 42 00:02:16,457 --> 00:02:19,057 Speaker 4: of people, whatever they might say publicly, are pretty aware 43 00:02:19,257 --> 00:02:22,737 Speaker 4: one that this isn't a typical civil rights situation, but 44 00:02:22,777 --> 00:02:26,697 Speaker 4: also two it's very easily understandable why this happened the 45 00:02:26,697 --> 00:02:27,417 Speaker 4: way it did. 46 00:02:27,657 --> 00:02:29,537 Speaker 3: So No, I mean, you haven't seen any riots or 47 00:02:29,537 --> 00:02:30,297 Speaker 3: anything like that. 48 00:02:30,417 --> 00:02:32,977 Speaker 4: I mean, you have seen a lot of outpouring from 49 00:02:33,017 --> 00:02:35,937 Speaker 4: public figures. I mean, the way I described the case 50 00:02:36,097 --> 00:02:38,537 Speaker 4: is pretty accurate. That's what happened in the case. But 51 00:02:38,577 --> 00:02:42,817 Speaker 4: you've nonetheless seen Tim Walls today he posted to Twitter 52 00:02:43,057 --> 00:02:46,457 Speaker 4: from her not gravesite, but from the location where she 53 00:02:46,537 --> 00:02:50,737 Speaker 4: was shot, standing amidst all these flowers and stuffed bears 54 00:02:50,777 --> 00:02:53,257 Speaker 4: and so on, saying, you have this is a real tragedy. 55 00:02:53,657 --> 00:02:55,897 Speaker 1: Explain this to me if you would, Wilfrid. Why are 56 00:02:56,137 --> 00:02:59,097 Speaker 1: NBA coaches calling this a murder? 57 00:02:59,457 --> 00:03:00,217 Speaker 2: You had Doc. 58 00:03:00,137 --> 00:03:04,057 Speaker 1: Rivers, Steve Kerry, They're farn of This is like a murder, 59 00:03:04,057 --> 00:03:07,337 Speaker 1: a horrible, horrible thing. This is the worst thing that 60 00:03:07,337 --> 00:03:11,457 Speaker 1: they think has happened in America in recent months. Were 61 00:03:11,457 --> 00:03:14,137 Speaker 1: they speaking out when Charlie Kirk was assassinated by the way, 62 00:03:14,177 --> 00:03:17,417 Speaker 1: which everyone agreed was a crime. I just like, why 63 00:03:17,457 --> 00:03:19,057 Speaker 1: do they feel they need to jump in on this 64 00:03:19,217 --> 00:03:22,777 Speaker 1: if you're if you're wand of Psykes at the not 65 00:03:22,817 --> 00:03:26,377 Speaker 1: the Oscars, the Golden Globes, all these people they care 66 00:03:26,457 --> 00:03:30,097 Speaker 1: so much about this, why, I don't know. 67 00:03:30,137 --> 00:03:32,497 Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's sort of a tribal ritual. 68 00:03:32,537 --> 00:03:34,577 Speaker 4: I mean, Dick Hanania who I don't agree with on 69 00:03:34,777 --> 00:03:36,937 Speaker 4: all issues. But I mean he described some of this 70 00:03:36,977 --> 00:03:39,057 Speaker 4: from the right what he calls the based ritual, where 71 00:03:39,057 --> 00:03:42,497 Speaker 4: you're just just showing that you're you're allied to one side. 72 00:03:42,537 --> 00:03:44,617 Speaker 4: I mean, he critiqued us more than the left actually 73 00:03:44,657 --> 00:03:46,457 Speaker 4: with this, But you see it all the time with 74 00:03:46,537 --> 00:03:49,777 Speaker 4: the left, where you're saying that I am a member 75 00:03:49,857 --> 00:03:50,537 Speaker 4: of the team, I. 76 00:03:50,457 --> 00:03:51,337 Speaker 3: Am a good person. 77 00:03:51,417 --> 00:03:56,057 Speaker 4: Basically, you know, why would you support an illegal immigrant 78 00:03:56,097 --> 00:03:59,137 Speaker 4: criminal in the first place in any situation as a 79 00:03:59,177 --> 00:04:02,857 Speaker 4: white radical woman. Well, because you're making a more dramatic 80 00:04:03,017 --> 00:04:05,977 Speaker 4: statement than you would by just being a regular, everyday, 81 00:04:06,017 --> 00:04:10,577 Speaker 4: boring feminist, right Like, you're you're showing how wildly you're 82 00:04:10,577 --> 00:04:12,577 Speaker 4: willing to be, how much of a chance you're willing 83 00:04:12,577 --> 00:04:14,977 Speaker 4: to give everyone. And I think that's sort of the 84 00:04:15,057 --> 00:04:17,097 Speaker 4: thing with these people. I mean, what you're saying is 85 00:04:17,137 --> 00:04:20,097 Speaker 4: that you generally are willing to see the police as 86 00:04:20,137 --> 00:04:23,577 Speaker 4: the bad guys. You generally are willing to assume the 87 00:04:23,617 --> 00:04:27,457 Speaker 4: governments and the wrong And I mean the overall one 88 00:04:27,457 --> 00:04:29,417 Speaker 4: of the messages that a lot of people are giving 89 00:04:29,417 --> 00:04:31,737 Speaker 4: out when it comes to ice that I think obviously 90 00:04:31,817 --> 00:04:35,337 Speaker 4: you notice, but that's really like Center on left. The 91 00:04:35,377 --> 00:04:38,817 Speaker 4: mainstream message in the USA is that we shouldn't be 92 00:04:38,977 --> 00:04:43,777 Speaker 4: deporting any illegal aliens. So I mean, when you say 93 00:04:43,817 --> 00:04:46,417 Speaker 4: that this person is in a city where legal and 94 00:04:46,457 --> 00:04:49,297 Speaker 4: illegal immigrants have ripped off twelve billion dollars, let's not 95 00:04:49,337 --> 00:04:53,337 Speaker 4: forget that. And I mean her actions are almost certainly illegal. 96 00:04:53,977 --> 00:04:56,977 Speaker 4: How can you cheer for what's going on here? The 97 00:04:57,057 --> 00:04:59,737 Speaker 4: context there is, well, she's opposing the bad people that 98 00:04:59,777 --> 00:05:02,297 Speaker 4: are sending the good people home. I think that's the 99 00:05:02,337 --> 00:05:04,497 Speaker 4: framework a lot of these people have, you know, I mean, 100 00:05:04,977 --> 00:05:07,697 Speaker 4: Steve Kerr is not a political expert. I liked him 101 00:05:07,697 --> 00:05:09,297 Speaker 4: as a sharpshooter for the bulls, but it means you 102 00:05:09,377 --> 00:05:12,177 Speaker 4: keep his mouth shut about politics. But I think that's 103 00:05:12,217 --> 00:05:13,217 Speaker 4: what's going on up there. 104 00:05:13,217 --> 00:05:17,577 Speaker 1: If anything is, yeah, it's It's pretty remarkable to me 105 00:05:17,817 --> 00:05:20,817 Speaker 1: that in some of these you know you mentioned, there 106 00:05:20,817 --> 00:05:24,857 Speaker 1: haven't been broad scale riots. There's been some some street thuggery, 107 00:05:25,257 --> 00:05:28,377 Speaker 1: activist stuff in Minneapolis, you know, like they they've gathered 108 00:05:28,377 --> 00:05:30,657 Speaker 1: outside a hotel where they thought ice was and I 109 00:05:30,657 --> 00:05:33,217 Speaker 1: think they maybe broke some windows or something. Nothing on 110 00:05:33,257 --> 00:05:35,857 Speaker 1: the scale of the George Floyd burning down police stations 111 00:05:35,857 --> 00:05:37,617 Speaker 1: and all that. Of course, that would be on the 112 00:05:37,617 --> 00:05:39,697 Speaker 1: news twenty four to seven just because the spectacle of 113 00:05:39,737 --> 00:05:42,217 Speaker 1: it all. So it's a very scale down version of 114 00:05:42,257 --> 00:05:44,497 Speaker 1: that so far, but it's some of it. 115 00:05:44,577 --> 00:05:47,137 Speaker 2: I saw. We actually talked to this on radio Wilfred. 116 00:05:47,497 --> 00:05:52,097 Speaker 1: They were doing like land acknowledgments at one of these 117 00:05:52,177 --> 00:05:54,977 Speaker 1: Minnesota approaches before and so I think this is fascinating. 118 00:05:55,097 --> 00:05:59,257 Speaker 1: So we still have to sit there and be concerned 119 00:05:59,257 --> 00:06:03,377 Speaker 1: about the rights of I don't know what tribe, you know, 120 00:06:03,657 --> 00:06:05,817 Speaker 1: like Algonquin or something. I don't know who's up there 121 00:06:05,857 --> 00:06:10,537 Speaker 1: in Minnesota. Maybe, yeah, there were you know about this stuff. 122 00:06:10,657 --> 00:06:13,257 Speaker 1: I'd have to think I'm better at the southern tribes 123 00:06:13,297 --> 00:06:14,857 Speaker 1: I live in Florida. Better at the southern tribes. I 124 00:06:14,857 --> 00:06:16,297 Speaker 1: don't know as many of the northern I'd say, like 125 00:06:16,417 --> 00:06:22,737 Speaker 1: Sue maybe or anyway Dakota, but Lakota Dakota. So they're 126 00:06:22,737 --> 00:06:27,137 Speaker 1: doing those and yet we're not allowed to enforce laws 127 00:06:27,577 --> 00:06:29,817 Speaker 1: in a country that has a massive welfare state and 128 00:06:29,897 --> 00:06:33,777 Speaker 1: resources that are given to those because of their physical presence. 129 00:06:34,177 --> 00:06:35,897 Speaker 1: We're not allowed to be like, well, we got here first, 130 00:06:35,937 --> 00:06:37,497 Speaker 1: and we say you can't just show up because you 131 00:06:37,537 --> 00:06:38,097 Speaker 1: feel like it. 132 00:06:40,777 --> 00:06:43,617 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's well they're two different levels. I 133 00:06:43,617 --> 00:06:46,737 Speaker 4: think the most entertaining thing is the Omni cause, right 134 00:06:46,857 --> 00:06:52,057 Speaker 4: where you have the chubby, upper middle class lesbian feminists 135 00:06:52,177 --> 00:06:57,977 Speaker 4: showing up to protest for this Somali fraudsters who can't 136 00:06:58,017 --> 00:07:03,217 Speaker 4: possibly be deported, and they're all together doing land acknowledgments 137 00:07:03,257 --> 00:07:05,497 Speaker 4: for the noble Ashanabi people and so on. I mean, 138 00:07:05,497 --> 00:07:08,377 Speaker 4: and it's the question is like, what do all these 139 00:07:08,377 --> 00:07:10,777 Speaker 4: people have in common? And I'm it really gets back 140 00:07:10,897 --> 00:07:14,257 Speaker 4: to a buddy of mine, James Lindsay or vocal distance, 141 00:07:14,297 --> 00:07:16,817 Speaker 4: one of those philosopher types. They tend to be pretty 142 00:07:16,817 --> 00:07:18,737 Speaker 4: good on this. The idea is that you're getting back 143 00:07:18,777 --> 00:07:21,057 Speaker 4: to the coalition of the fringes, right, Like, what all 144 00:07:21,097 --> 00:07:24,537 Speaker 4: these people have in common is that they hate mainstream 145 00:07:24,937 --> 00:07:31,657 Speaker 4: centered society, a white, middle class Christian, anyone who might 146 00:07:31,697 --> 00:07:35,697 Speaker 4: own three neckties, and what they want to do is 147 00:07:35,857 --> 00:07:38,257 Speaker 4: kind of rip that down, tear that down from being 148 00:07:38,257 --> 00:07:40,577 Speaker 4: a majority position in the country. And then a lot 149 00:07:40,577 --> 00:07:42,937 Speaker 4: of people at Abby Hoffman said this and frankly pretty 150 00:07:42,977 --> 00:07:45,457 Speaker 4: much accepted that they'll all fight it out among one another. 151 00:07:46,017 --> 00:07:48,337 Speaker 4: You saw this in the Muslim world, where they beat 152 00:07:48,377 --> 00:07:51,257 Speaker 4: the Shah and they beat the Christian government in Lebanon, 153 00:07:51,297 --> 00:07:53,577 Speaker 4: and then it was a free for all between the 154 00:07:53,617 --> 00:07:56,377 Speaker 4: Communists and the Islamists and all these other, in my opinion, 155 00:07:56,497 --> 00:07:59,497 Speaker 4: terrible people until you know, so one of them finally won, 156 00:07:59,617 --> 00:08:02,777 Speaker 4: usually the Islamists over there. So and now, by the way, 157 00:08:02,817 --> 00:08:04,857 Speaker 4: the Iranian shout to them, are coming back from this. 158 00:08:04,977 --> 00:08:08,377 Speaker 4: But that's why you're seeing like a Somali woman in 159 00:08:08,417 --> 00:08:12,337 Speaker 4: a he job, you know, shouting out the Native American 160 00:08:12,537 --> 00:08:17,257 Speaker 4: population of the land. The last thing about this, though, 161 00:08:17,337 --> 00:08:21,857 Speaker 4: I absolutely agree with you in that what happened to 162 00:08:21,897 --> 00:08:26,017 Speaker 4: the natives is not an argument for Maslowian immigration. Like 163 00:08:26,137 --> 00:08:28,137 Speaker 4: I'm part Native, and I get annoyed every time people 164 00:08:28,177 --> 00:08:31,457 Speaker 4: bring this up, right, Like people say, well, you know, 165 00:08:31,657 --> 00:08:34,337 Speaker 4: Chief Joseph fought hard for this land. Who are you 166 00:08:34,497 --> 00:08:36,297 Speaker 4: to defend it now? And it's sort of like, well, 167 00:08:36,857 --> 00:08:40,497 Speaker 4: Chief Joseph, you know, honor to his name, didn't want 168 00:08:40,817 --> 00:08:45,697 Speaker 4: people coming in and taking away his surprisingly civilized people's land. 169 00:08:46,657 --> 00:08:49,977 Speaker 4: The whole point of border defense is that stuff like 170 00:08:50,017 --> 00:08:53,017 Speaker 4: that can happen where now he is a road, but 171 00:08:53,057 --> 00:08:55,297 Speaker 4: his people don't own the land anymore. So, I mean, 172 00:08:55,457 --> 00:08:58,297 Speaker 4: I think that the descendants of the English and Black 173 00:08:58,377 --> 00:09:01,297 Speaker 4: and German and Irish people that beat him would do 174 00:09:01,337 --> 00:09:02,297 Speaker 4: well to keep that in mind. 175 00:09:03,537 --> 00:09:03,897 Speaker 2: Yep. 176 00:09:04,497 --> 00:09:07,377 Speaker 1: And well also though the whole Land acknowledgment thing, to me, 177 00:09:08,217 --> 00:09:15,537 Speaker 1: it is among the most obvious religious and ritualistic manifestations 178 00:09:15,617 --> 00:09:21,057 Speaker 1: of left wing ideology today because it is purely a 179 00:09:21,977 --> 00:09:23,217 Speaker 1: manifestation of. 180 00:09:23,177 --> 00:09:24,737 Speaker 2: Allegiance to belief. 181 00:09:24,857 --> 00:09:28,497 Speaker 1: Like, no one actually thinks we're going to what We've 182 00:09:28,497 --> 00:09:30,217 Speaker 1: got three hundred and fifty million people here, like, well, 183 00:09:30,217 --> 00:09:31,977 Speaker 1: what are we going to do? We're going to give 184 00:09:31,977 --> 00:09:35,577 Speaker 1: it back to the to the ancestors. The whole thing 185 00:09:35,657 --> 00:09:37,737 Speaker 1: is absurd and we've already had We've gone through this. 186 00:09:37,777 --> 00:09:39,977 Speaker 1: We've got you know, casinos, and you've got reservations and 187 00:09:39,977 --> 00:09:42,577 Speaker 1: all these different policies that already exist. So what's the 188 00:09:42,617 --> 00:09:45,097 Speaker 1: point of the Land acknowledgment I don't understand. I mean 189 00:09:45,097 --> 00:09:47,617 Speaker 1: I also wonder like, at what point do they start 190 00:09:47,657 --> 00:09:54,777 Speaker 1: having you know, struggle sessions in UK primary schools over 191 00:09:55,297 --> 00:09:57,937 Speaker 1: what they did during the Irish potato famine in eighteen forty. 192 00:09:58,257 --> 00:10:01,297 Speaker 1: It's like, okay, I mean it was bad, but I 193 00:10:01,377 --> 00:10:03,297 Speaker 1: don't know that people today should be Did you see 194 00:10:03,457 --> 00:10:07,897 Speaker 1: you had this this Portland Police Chief Bob Day started 195 00:10:08,017 --> 00:10:09,977 Speaker 1: crying because he had to do it. 196 00:10:11,017 --> 00:10:11,817 Speaker 2: Do you see this? 197 00:10:11,817 --> 00:10:13,777 Speaker 1: This guy starts crying, is the chief of police in 198 00:10:13,857 --> 00:10:16,297 Speaker 1: Portland and chief of police and he has to admit 199 00:10:16,377 --> 00:10:18,737 Speaker 1: that the trend to Arragua. Guys who tried to run 200 00:10:18,737 --> 00:10:21,417 Speaker 1: over a cop who got shot were actually trend to Aragua. 201 00:10:22,857 --> 00:10:25,617 Speaker 2: Why is he crying, Wilfred? Why is he crying? 202 00:10:27,137 --> 00:10:28,897 Speaker 4: Well, first of all, because he shouldn't be the chief 203 00:10:28,937 --> 00:10:32,177 Speaker 4: of police. I mean there's because we've created that. I 204 00:10:32,297 --> 00:10:35,137 Speaker 4: actually wrote an article about this for National Review once 205 00:10:35,177 --> 00:10:37,737 Speaker 4: that got into complex morality where I was talking about 206 00:10:37,777 --> 00:10:40,017 Speaker 4: Nietzsche versus Jesus and so on, and I said, they're 207 00:10:40,417 --> 00:10:40,937 Speaker 4: both of them. 208 00:10:41,017 --> 00:10:43,737 Speaker 3: I had positive things to say about, by the. 209 00:10:43,737 --> 00:10:46,737 Speaker 4: Way, but I said, they're basically three types of morality. 210 00:10:46,817 --> 00:10:50,417 Speaker 4: There is master morality, which is kind of Nietzsche and 211 00:10:50,457 --> 00:10:53,657 Speaker 4: the old warrior idea like strength is good. There's kind 212 00:10:53,657 --> 00:10:58,177 Speaker 4: of Yeoman morality, like muscular Christianity, which is, you know, built, 213 00:10:58,297 --> 00:11:01,977 Speaker 4: doing good is good, building this sort of thing, helping others. 214 00:11:02,257 --> 00:11:06,057 Speaker 4: What we've kind of gotten into right now is empathic morality, 215 00:11:06,137 --> 00:11:09,337 Speaker 4: which is that like not causing risk is good. Like 216 00:11:09,377 --> 00:11:13,377 Speaker 4: the highest virtue isn't bravery or strength. 217 00:11:12,977 --> 00:11:13,857 Speaker 3: It's empathy. 218 00:11:14,577 --> 00:11:16,977 Speaker 4: And I think that that's how you get into these 219 00:11:17,377 --> 00:11:21,817 Speaker 4: weird places that we are in right now, and you 220 00:11:21,937 --> 00:11:23,697 Speaker 4: come to a lot of weird conclusions if you take 221 00:11:23,697 --> 00:11:26,497 Speaker 4: these ideas very seriously. One of them seems to be 222 00:11:26,617 --> 00:11:29,337 Speaker 4: that you shouldn't weight people at all, in like the 223 00:11:29,417 --> 00:11:36,057 Speaker 4: Christian Ordo Amorus sense. So traditionally immigration has been thought 224 00:11:36,097 --> 00:11:38,577 Speaker 4: of in terms of how it benefits the country that's 225 00:11:38,657 --> 00:11:41,417 Speaker 4: letting in the immigrants. When I talk to lips, when 226 00:11:41,417 --> 00:11:44,937 Speaker 4: I talk to modern leftists about immigration, they tend to 227 00:11:44,937 --> 00:11:47,537 Speaker 4: think of it in terms of how it benefits the immigrants. 228 00:11:48,097 --> 00:11:50,177 Speaker 4: So I mean, I was talking to the guy behind 229 00:11:50,217 --> 00:11:52,897 Speaker 4: the Twitter account Evan Love's wharf at one point. He's 230 00:11:52,937 --> 00:11:55,857 Speaker 4: actually not an idiot, but I mean, I mean the 231 00:11:55,857 --> 00:11:59,817 Speaker 4: point that, like, female genital mutilation is really common in Somalia, 232 00:12:00,257 --> 00:12:02,297 Speaker 4: and like this is a bad thing that's going to 233 00:12:02,377 --> 00:12:04,177 Speaker 4: come to the USA if we let in large numbers 234 00:12:04,177 --> 00:12:06,697 Speaker 4: of Somalis. And he said, well, at least we can 235 00:12:06,697 --> 00:12:09,817 Speaker 4: punish the people doing it here, unlike Somalia, so we 236 00:12:09,897 --> 00:12:12,737 Speaker 4: might helps some Somali girls. And it wasn't even a 237 00:12:12,777 --> 00:12:14,657 Speaker 4: dishonorable statement. It just struck me as kind of a 238 00:12:14,697 --> 00:12:18,377 Speaker 4: lunatic one like we would get a lot worse, but 239 00:12:18,657 --> 00:12:22,617 Speaker 4: some Somali kids might be helped out in the country 240 00:12:22,697 --> 00:12:27,337 Speaker 4: that's collapsing. I think that like, once you accept that paradigm, 241 00:12:27,377 --> 00:12:30,897 Speaker 4: like it's out there, pray morality is what I call it. 242 00:12:31,017 --> 00:12:33,817 Speaker 3: Nietzsche called it slave morality, so do some Christian writers. 243 00:12:33,857 --> 00:12:36,177 Speaker 4: Like once you get that, like it's bad to hurt 244 00:12:36,177 --> 00:12:38,737 Speaker 4: your enemies this kind of thing, then you get why 245 00:12:38,817 --> 00:12:42,937 Speaker 4: you're crying because your cops ran over a gangbanger. I 246 00:12:43,057 --> 00:12:45,297 Speaker 4: just like that might be a useful attitude for the 247 00:12:45,377 --> 00:12:47,937 Speaker 4: manager of a homeless shelter. You just can't have that 248 00:12:48,057 --> 00:12:50,657 Speaker 4: in you're chief of police. It's not even whether it's 249 00:12:50,697 --> 00:12:52,697 Speaker 4: good or bad. You just can't have the cops crying 250 00:12:52,737 --> 00:12:54,857 Speaker 4: because they've shot the criminals. It doesn't work. 251 00:12:56,097 --> 00:12:56,937 Speaker 2: Yes, that is. 252 00:12:59,297 --> 00:12:59,337 Speaker 4: You. 253 00:12:59,577 --> 00:13:00,617 Speaker 2: You can't have it, you know what I mean? 254 00:13:00,977 --> 00:13:03,417 Speaker 1: Well, this is awesome what you see with the A 255 00:13:03,777 --> 00:13:06,537 Speaker 1: lot of the escalatory theatrics, whether it's of these ice 256 00:13:06,817 --> 00:13:09,777 Speaker 1: you had the ice warriors, they call themselves rippers whatever, 257 00:13:09,857 --> 00:13:12,617 Speaker 1: yeah or I yeah. But one of the things that 258 00:13:12,617 --> 00:13:17,217 Speaker 1: they love to do is to antagonize police in every 259 00:13:17,217 --> 00:13:22,457 Speaker 1: way they can short of requiring a physical violent let's 260 00:13:22,657 --> 00:13:25,337 Speaker 1: let's be clear violent response from the cops to see 261 00:13:25,337 --> 00:13:27,377 Speaker 1: if they can just you know, get them right to 262 00:13:27,417 --> 00:13:29,417 Speaker 1: that edge, or oh, you know, you put your hands 263 00:13:29,417 --> 00:13:31,017 Speaker 1: on me, but you weren't required. And I don't think 264 00:13:31,057 --> 00:13:33,337 Speaker 1: they understand all law at the end of the day, 265 00:13:33,377 --> 00:13:36,137 Speaker 1: whether it's you refusing to give someone your driver's license 266 00:13:36,177 --> 00:13:39,057 Speaker 1: in a car when you're pulled over, or you're refusing 267 00:13:39,097 --> 00:13:41,177 Speaker 1: a lawful command to stop when there's a scene of 268 00:13:41,217 --> 00:13:43,817 Speaker 1: a crime and officers have a reasonable suspicion, like at 269 00:13:43,857 --> 00:13:45,497 Speaker 1: the end of the day, if people aren't willing to 270 00:13:45,537 --> 00:13:47,377 Speaker 1: put hands on you and rescue to the ground, there 271 00:13:47,417 --> 00:13:48,977 Speaker 1: is no law. And I think this is what the 272 00:13:49,057 --> 00:13:52,457 Speaker 1: left sort of struggles with or just ignores. They don't 273 00:13:52,537 --> 00:13:55,337 Speaker 1: understand that. Whether you're a middle aged you know, a 274 00:13:55,417 --> 00:13:58,417 Speaker 1: middle aged white lesbian who really opposes ice, or you're 275 00:13:58,457 --> 00:14:02,137 Speaker 1: a guy who is you know, a fleeing felon who's 276 00:14:02,137 --> 00:14:05,017 Speaker 1: wanted on fifteen arrest warrants, some guy has to be 277 00:14:05,057 --> 00:14:06,537 Speaker 1: able to put hands on you and throw you to 278 00:14:06,577 --> 00:14:08,657 Speaker 1: the ground if you don't obey lawful commands or else 279 00:14:08,697 --> 00:14:09,417 Speaker 1: there is no law. 280 00:14:11,737 --> 00:14:16,457 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think that's absolutely correct, and I 281 00:14:16,497 --> 00:14:21,217 Speaker 4: think people have made this point for centuries, if not millennia, 282 00:14:21,257 --> 00:14:24,937 Speaker 4: that like under the world of words written on paper, 283 00:14:24,977 --> 00:14:29,257 Speaker 4: there's the actual world of weapons and IQ where the 284 00:14:29,297 --> 00:14:33,177 Speaker 4: real games are played that uphold the fake world of 285 00:14:33,257 --> 00:14:36,257 Speaker 4: words written on paper. And if you've never seen anything 286 00:14:36,337 --> 00:14:39,657 Speaker 4: but the world of words written on paper, you start 287 00:14:39,657 --> 00:14:43,177 Speaker 4: believing that that's actually real. And that leads to these 288 00:14:43,297 --> 00:14:46,137 Speaker 4: weird encounters that we see. And I mean it goes 289 00:14:46,137 --> 00:14:48,897 Speaker 4: beyond like the cop crying because the criminals are injured, 290 00:14:49,297 --> 00:14:51,457 Speaker 4: to some of this stuff, like where people are looking 291 00:14:51,457 --> 00:14:53,537 Speaker 4: at the cops and saying like you are one percent 292 00:14:53,577 --> 00:14:55,377 Speaker 4: over the line and I do not consent to you 293 00:14:55,457 --> 00:14:57,897 Speaker 4: touching me. And it's sort of just it's a lack 294 00:14:57,937 --> 00:15:01,137 Speaker 4: of understanding of reality, Like it's the thinking that the 295 00:15:01,177 --> 00:15:04,297 Speaker 4: formal thing that's over the real thing is actually real 296 00:15:04,297 --> 00:15:06,857 Speaker 4: and will protect you, and that I mean, you see 297 00:15:06,857 --> 00:15:09,337 Speaker 4: a lot of this, Like the feminist writer Kathy Young 298 00:15:09,457 --> 00:15:11,777 Speaker 4: was doing this on social media for the past couple 299 00:15:11,777 --> 00:15:15,657 Speaker 4: of days about this stupid car thing, like, well, maybe 300 00:15:15,977 --> 00:15:18,217 Speaker 4: she hit him with a car, but it was it 301 00:15:18,257 --> 00:15:20,857 Speaker 4: was very light, it was non fatal, and it's sort 302 00:15:20,857 --> 00:15:23,377 Speaker 4: of like if you see someone driving towards you with 303 00:15:23,417 --> 00:15:26,577 Speaker 4: an SUV and you're legally allowed to shoot them, you're 304 00:15:26,617 --> 00:15:29,337 Speaker 4: probably gonna shoot them, Like you're not going to spend 305 00:15:29,377 --> 00:15:32,057 Speaker 4: the split second at time you have analyzing how likely 306 00:15:32,097 --> 00:15:34,177 Speaker 4: you are to die is versus just get hurt. 307 00:15:34,737 --> 00:15:36,697 Speaker 2: And I think also I think people forget too. 308 00:15:36,737 --> 00:15:38,657 Speaker 1: If you ever had the experience of, like, you have 309 00:15:38,697 --> 00:15:40,977 Speaker 1: the right of way, you're walking and some guy just 310 00:15:41,017 --> 00:15:43,337 Speaker 1: to be a jerk decide to like hit the accelerator 311 00:15:43,377 --> 00:15:46,777 Speaker 1: really hard right as he's going past you on the street. Now, 312 00:15:46,817 --> 00:15:48,857 Speaker 1: I'm not saying you have the right there to shoot somebody, 313 00:15:48,937 --> 00:15:51,497 Speaker 1: but I am saying you get really like it's a 314 00:15:51,537 --> 00:15:54,257 Speaker 1: normal human reaction to have like a surge of rage 315 00:15:54,497 --> 00:15:56,737 Speaker 1: because that person did just put you in some you 316 00:15:56,737 --> 00:15:58,777 Speaker 1: know again, assuming you have the right of way and somebody, 317 00:15:58,857 --> 00:16:00,697 Speaker 1: I mean, this has happened to me many times before 318 00:16:00,697 --> 00:16:02,577 Speaker 1: where someone just you know, decides they want to hit 319 00:16:02,657 --> 00:16:04,497 Speaker 1: because they're frustrated and they're pissed off and they just 320 00:16:04,537 --> 00:16:06,177 Speaker 1: want to show you how tough they are or whatever. 321 00:16:06,737 --> 00:16:09,977 Speaker 1: But they zoom that three thousand pound vehicle passed you on. 322 00:16:10,137 --> 00:16:13,457 Speaker 1: Necessarily you're like you're you're angry, and if you're a 323 00:16:13,457 --> 00:16:15,697 Speaker 1: cop and they do it at you, like I can't 324 00:16:15,737 --> 00:16:17,697 Speaker 1: imagine my response if someone actually hit me. 325 00:16:18,217 --> 00:16:18,857 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm pulling. 326 00:16:18,897 --> 00:16:20,857 Speaker 1: I mean, I fire a lot of guns. I'm pulling, 327 00:16:20,937 --> 00:16:22,017 Speaker 1: I'm drawing, I'm shooting. 328 00:16:24,137 --> 00:16:26,457 Speaker 4: Yeah. I also think there's an element of reality even 329 00:16:26,457 --> 00:16:28,977 Speaker 4: on the other side there, like why would you be angry? 330 00:16:29,057 --> 00:16:31,217 Speaker 4: Why would you, as a decently tough guy, jump out 331 00:16:31,217 --> 00:16:33,977 Speaker 4: of the way because someone's driving towards you with a car, 332 00:16:34,417 --> 00:16:36,857 Speaker 4: Like it doesn't make any sense to say, I've got 333 00:16:36,857 --> 00:16:40,137 Speaker 4: the right away, buddy, I'm not moving. The reality is 334 00:16:40,177 --> 00:16:42,777 Speaker 4: that everyone moves. Everyone feels a little bit punked because 335 00:16:42,817 --> 00:16:45,617 Speaker 4: you're walking and somebody else is in a vehicle. So, 336 00:16:45,657 --> 00:16:48,537 Speaker 4: I mean, again, they're just they're those practical realities there. 337 00:16:48,617 --> 00:16:52,257 Speaker 4: Everyone recognizes that if you're in a three thousand pounds 338 00:16:52,337 --> 00:16:57,297 Speaker 4: murder machine, you can kill somebody, And the conscious denial 339 00:16:57,337 --> 00:16:58,577 Speaker 4: of this is really bizarre. 340 00:16:58,977 --> 00:16:59,857 Speaker 3: But yeah, I. 341 00:16:59,817 --> 00:17:03,897 Speaker 4: Mean, the martyrdom in this case, I don't think it's 342 00:17:03,897 --> 00:17:06,657 Speaker 4: worked as well as it has before, but you're you're 343 00:17:06,657 --> 00:17:08,977 Speaker 4: definitely seeing it in full swing. I mean, you're definitely 344 00:17:09,017 --> 00:17:11,457 Speaker 4: seeing the I mean there's about a block and a 345 00:17:11,497 --> 00:17:14,777 Speaker 4: half area of street that's just swathed with like flowers 346 00:17:14,857 --> 00:17:19,337 Speaker 4: and stuffed animals, oxes of fairly expensive chocolates there are, 347 00:17:19,657 --> 00:17:22,617 Speaker 4: and it's part of an ongoing mythology. 348 00:17:22,097 --> 00:17:22,697 Speaker 3: By this point. 349 00:17:22,777 --> 00:17:25,777 Speaker 4: So like her girl, her wife and other people have 350 00:17:25,977 --> 00:17:28,777 Speaker 4: nailed not only all these paintings of her up to 351 00:17:28,857 --> 00:17:32,617 Speaker 4: nearby fences, but all these paintings of like other martyrs 352 00:17:33,377 --> 00:17:37,897 Speaker 4: in the whole blm slash like Matthew Shepherd gay right 353 00:17:38,017 --> 00:17:39,337 Speaker 4: slash stole On struggles. 354 00:17:39,377 --> 00:17:40,977 Speaker 3: So like there's a picture of George Floyd. 355 00:17:41,057 --> 00:17:43,377 Speaker 1: Next time there's some Trayvon stuff there, there's got to 356 00:17:43,417 --> 00:17:45,377 Speaker 1: be Trayvon somewhere in the mix, like this is these 357 00:17:45,377 --> 00:17:46,977 Speaker 1: are these are the icons. 358 00:17:47,897 --> 00:17:48,897 Speaker 3: It's like Freddie Gray. 359 00:17:48,937 --> 00:17:50,657 Speaker 4: It's like if you go to like an old like 360 00:17:50,777 --> 00:17:53,857 Speaker 4: black or Irish grandma's house and there's like christ and 361 00:17:53,977 --> 00:17:58,777 Speaker 4: John F. Kennedy and like somebody else, some corrupt local politician. 362 00:17:58,897 --> 00:18:05,217 Speaker 4: It's the same thing, except it's with did public figures 363 00:18:05,377 --> 00:18:07,137 Speaker 4: from the past twenty years. So yeah, it was it 364 00:18:07,177 --> 00:18:09,937 Speaker 4: was George Floyd. I think, Michael Brown, I don't want 365 00:18:09,977 --> 00:18:12,137 Speaker 4: to exaggerate about you us at all, but like her 366 00:18:12,177 --> 00:18:13,417 Speaker 4: and her wife. 367 00:18:13,497 --> 00:18:15,217 Speaker 1: I've been to protests in the past, by the way, 368 00:18:15,257 --> 00:18:17,417 Speaker 1: where all this where they have the actual placards and 369 00:18:17,497 --> 00:18:20,177 Speaker 1: I've seen and this is pre George Floyd actually, but 370 00:18:20,217 --> 00:18:22,737 Speaker 1: I've seen this person was shot by police. This person 371 00:18:22,817 --> 00:18:24,697 Speaker 1: was shot by police. 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It's been fantastic. 394 00:19:20,297 --> 00:19:24,097 Speaker 1: So people streak, can you can you give me a prediction? 395 00:19:24,217 --> 00:19:26,217 Speaker 1: Does the well because next time we have you on, 396 00:19:26,337 --> 00:19:32,737 Speaker 1: we'll see does Iran does the Iyotola government the Iranian revolution? 397 00:19:32,897 --> 00:19:35,617 Speaker 1: Does it fall between now and your next podcast appearance. 398 00:19:37,017 --> 00:19:38,817 Speaker 3: Unfortunately, probably not. 399 00:19:39,297 --> 00:19:44,937 Speaker 4: I mean one of the things with these strongman run 400 00:19:45,177 --> 00:19:49,577 Speaker 4: fairly competent governments is that they're they're unpopular with their people, 401 00:19:50,217 --> 00:19:54,217 Speaker 4: but they don't really have that institutional guilt that we 402 00:19:54,297 --> 00:19:57,017 Speaker 4: see in the West. So I mean in China, and 403 00:19:57,057 --> 00:20:00,057 Speaker 4: I'm including even Russia, kind of that white West here. 404 00:20:00,537 --> 00:20:03,137 Speaker 4: So like in in the Soviet Union, when you had 405 00:20:03,137 --> 00:20:06,177 Speaker 4: gloss Naust, you had Patstroika, you had all these brilliant 406 00:20:06,217 --> 00:20:09,057 Speaker 4: young blonde students dancing in the streets saying we want freedom. 407 00:20:09,097 --> 00:20:11,337 Speaker 4: Gorbachev kind of listened to them. I mean, in China 408 00:20:11,377 --> 00:20:14,017 Speaker 4: you saw the same thing. They're they're just as human. 409 00:20:14,057 --> 00:20:15,617 Speaker 4: I mean, you're at the crowds out there and Gianam 410 00:20:15,657 --> 00:20:19,417 Speaker 4: and the Chinese just sent lines of tanks. He's snaking 411 00:20:19,497 --> 00:20:22,937 Speaker 4: down two miles away and crutched it killed everybody. And 412 00:20:23,017 --> 00:20:25,497 Speaker 4: I mean, I the the Iranians, they're they're not a 413 00:20:25,497 --> 00:20:27,937 Speaker 4: match for our military, but they're probably top twenty militaries 414 00:20:27,937 --> 00:20:28,297 Speaker 4: in the world. 415 00:20:28,337 --> 00:20:30,137 Speaker 3: They're gonna likely do the same thing. 416 00:20:30,417 --> 00:20:30,657 Speaker 2: I think. 417 00:20:30,697 --> 00:20:31,577 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't want to. 418 00:20:31,617 --> 00:20:32,177 Speaker 2: You're correct. 419 00:20:32,177 --> 00:20:34,937 Speaker 1: The one thing that that authoritarian regimes, especially that have 420 00:20:35,017 --> 00:20:40,457 Speaker 1: access to revenue from fossil fuels or drugs, but authoritarian 421 00:20:40,457 --> 00:20:44,417 Speaker 1: regimes are generally very good at is staying in power. 422 00:20:44,937 --> 00:20:47,217 Speaker 1: This is because that's what they're obsessed with. That's the 423 00:20:47,297 --> 00:20:50,297 Speaker 1: goal number one. Because they know if they're not in power, 424 00:20:50,417 --> 00:20:52,137 Speaker 1: you know, they're gonna end up either on the wrong 425 00:20:52,177 --> 00:20:53,937 Speaker 1: side of a firing squad or you know, in some 426 00:20:54,017 --> 00:20:56,697 Speaker 1: hell hole prison. And that's true of everybody who's say so, 427 00:20:57,217 --> 00:20:59,137 Speaker 1: I have to look. I hope I'm wrong, but I 428 00:20:59,177 --> 00:21:00,697 Speaker 1: think you gave the right answer. But we'll come back. 429 00:21:00,697 --> 00:21:02,257 Speaker 1: We'll talk to you about it, and in some time 430 00:21:02,297 --> 00:21:04,777 Speaker 1: when you're back on the show, check out Wilfrid's book 431 00:21:04,777 --> 00:21:06,417 Speaker 1: and appreciate you being with me, my man. 432 00:21:06,457 --> 00:21:07,177 Speaker 2: I'll talk to you soon. 433 00:21:08,337 --> 00:21:10,057 Speaker 3: Sounds good. Sounds good. Buck, have a good day.