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Speaker 2: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly, he is

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Speaker 1: the Matt Williamson and it is a uh, it's an

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Speaker 1: okay Walliams.

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Speaker 3: He turned chili again. Now, yeah, snow. I think it's

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Speaker 3: what's coming right, supposed.

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Speaker 1: To be coming again tonight. I guess we'll see how

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Speaker 1: where that goes. But super Bowl week, and as it

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Speaker 1: is Super Bowl week, you get a lot of people

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Speaker 1: out there talking about different stuff, and as it is,

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Speaker 1: the Steelers typically move the needle when talking about different things.

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Speaker 1: And Matt we this happened earlier in the week and

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Speaker 1: we didn't talk about it, but I wanted to get

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Speaker 1: to it here today. Uh So, Julian Edelman and Matt

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Speaker 1: Patricia had a podcast together and they were talking about

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Speaker 1: uh playing against the Steelers, and Julian Edelman said that

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Speaker 1: the Steelers, well, they never made any adjustments. They still

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Speaker 1: had linebackers covering the slot all the time. And I

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Speaker 1: would go out and have nine catches against them every game. A.

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Speaker 1: That's not true. B. But here's Why I bring it

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Speaker 1: up because people have now brought it up as something

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Speaker 1: that that is happening today with the Steelers. They're trying

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Speaker 1: to equate this.

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Speaker 3: A million people have tweeted it at me, and I

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Speaker 3: just read the two sentence.

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Speaker 1: They may you know, they didn't make adjustments, they would

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Speaker 1: just yet. Okay, So what was the one thing that

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Speaker 1: you could you could hang your hat on this year

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Speaker 1: for the Steelers? Defensively? Yes, they made halftime adjustments. Oh okay,

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Speaker 1: maybe better than anybody else in the league.

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Speaker 3: Their points against are a lot different second half verst

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Speaker 3: first right, and much better, much much better, much better.

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Speaker 1: The offense made adjustments from the first half to the

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Speaker 1: second half. And so the people who are grasping onto

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Speaker 1: this this comment from Julian Edelman when he's talking about

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Speaker 1: the bow defenses. Right, Yeah, he hasn't played the Steelers

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Speaker 3: Yeah, says he grinding the tape and watching all their

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Speaker 3: blitz pats views and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: I assume not no, but people want to Again, it

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Speaker 1: goes back to everybody's unhappy, and I GOE, I know,

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Speaker 1: I know, I get it. We have to deal with

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Speaker 1: it on a daily basis on everything that we tweet

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Speaker 1: Everything's what doesn't matter, as long as it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, none of this favorite Yeah, yeah, just doesn't matter

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Speaker 3: as long as Tomlin's a coach, doesn't matter. Theyn't ever

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Speaker 3: win a thing, burn the place down, shouldn't just cancel

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Speaker 3: next season? Yeah, it's getting old, to be honest with you.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the bitterness is strong, like no matter. I

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Speaker 3: could be better about reading comments. Don't get me wrong,

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Speaker 3: but fifty percent of them. It doesn't matter what the

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Speaker 3: content I produced in this forum or others. It's only

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Speaker 3: even read the content because a lot of it has

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Speaker 3: nothing to do with it. I wrote, I did a podcast.

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Speaker 3: Should the Steelers pursue Cooper Cup? What's the difference? Doesn't matter?

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Speaker 1: Why bother? They'd only throw them the ball four times? Again,

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Yeah, that's that's the comment that I just

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, so should every team that aren't playing

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Speaker 3: this weekend just give up?

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Speaker 1: Right? Apparently so? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: And what if you were the Titans or the Browns

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Speaker 1: Apparently you should just fold the franchise up. You shouldn't

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Speaker 3: No, that's it is a lot of the feeling, though,

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Speaker 3: I mean, as long as they keep it this system

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Speaker 1: I'm Julian Edelman's talking about things that were done three

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Speaker 3: he doesn't play. I don't know what kind of research

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Speaker 3: And it's probably two sentences that fell out Edelman's mouth

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Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody talks about how he also said they coach

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Speaker 3: No, we've seen very, very very way little of that.

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Speaker 1: Twenty sixteen against Robert Splain. Yeah, exactly. This was a

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Speaker 1: It's the thing that drives me when people try to

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Speaker 1: It's why people fall back on well the pro football focus. Great, right,

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Speaker 3: Well, every defense does it sometimes because offensive coordinators get

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Speaker 1: No, you know, But any little criticism that comes out

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Speaker 1: But every time we write about something that could potentially

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Speaker 1: We're giving you options here of things that you can

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Speaker 3: And there are a lot of the other kind too

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Speaker 3: courteous fans. Hey, I don't think this is right. I

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Speaker 3: just I agree with you. That's a great observation. I

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Speaker 3: think they're just not going to go to work anymore?

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Speaker 3: They just they should just not have a draft. They

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Speaker 1: And I did I understand some of that. You know,

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Speaker 1: if the Chiefs win again this year, it's an uphill

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Speaker 1: won three in a row. Yeah, it's never been done before.

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Speaker 1: I mean, frankly, if they should should the other thirty

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl again in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: Right, Well, if you have no competitive genes whatsoever or

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Speaker 3: it happen again, you know. Yeah, No, you try to

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Speaker 1: You try to get better, You try to adjust, and

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Speaker 1: you make it adjustments. And you don't do things that

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Speaker 3: But the Steelers had a wonderful advantage, which I thought

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Speaker 6: I'm really glad you guys called me because I was

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Speaker 6: starting to worry about whether you know, did you get

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Speaker 6: that Miles Garrett trade to the Steelers done yet.

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Speaker 4: Or are you on the steel first?

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Speaker 5: Well, and I also saw today, you know, the Trey

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Speaker 6: So I just wanted to, you know, get you guys

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Speaker 6: up to date on what you have in terms of

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Speaker 6: your immediate U a few days, getting getting some times done.

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Speaker 1: Bring them all in. We're just bringing them all back.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of that, Bob, the two teams that are playing

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Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl this weekend, the Philadelphia Eagles finished

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Speaker 1: second in scoring defense in the regular season. The Kansas

441
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Speaker 1: City Chiefs were fourth. The Eagles were seventh in scoring,

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs were fifteenth. The team that was sixteenth was,

443
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Speaker 1: by the way, the Steelers, point two points per game

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Speaker 1: behind them for the season. You could make the argument

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Speaker 1: that these two teams got to the Super Bowl based

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Speaker 1: more on their defenses than their offenses.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, you still got to play defense. To

448
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Speaker 6: win championships in the NFL. I mean, that's just been

449
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Speaker 6: proven historically. And I remember Goose Goslin, you know, when

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Speaker 6: he was at the Dallas Morning News at the time

451
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Speaker 6: when the Steelers played the Cardinals in Super Bowl forty

452
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Speaker 6: three in Tampa. We were talking before the game and

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Speaker 6: he so Goose has the historical perspective that very few

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Speaker 6: of any media people have. But he was giving out

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Speaker 6: he had stats on matchups that when one of the

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Speaker 6: two teams in the Super Bowl finished the season first

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Speaker 6: in defense, and that a ridiculously high winning percentage, you know,

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Speaker 6: and the Steelers weren't coming into that game as the

459
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Speaker 6: number one defense in the NFL in two and eight.

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Speaker 6: It turned out to be a lot closer I think

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Speaker 6: than Goose doesn't.

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Speaker 4: My heart really could handle.

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Speaker 6: But you know, but as you know, the point, yeah,

464
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Speaker 6: you still have to play defense to win in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: It is.

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Speaker 6: There's not a lot of sixty two fifty nine Super

467
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Speaker 6: Bowls now, you know, ironically, the Eagles were in the one,

468
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Speaker 6: the last one, the only one, that one against New England,

469
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Speaker 6: five hundred and fifty eight total yards for the Eagles

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Speaker 6: and or whatever. The points were ridiculous I don't remember

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Speaker 6: what the exact score was, but you know that's the

472
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Speaker 6: Eagles only Super Bowl championship in their franchise history. But

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Speaker 6: you're right about playing You got to be able to

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Speaker 6: still play defense.

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Speaker 4: And then and the other thing that I think these

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Speaker 4: playoffs have really emphasized not turnover ratio.

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Speaker 1: No man, turnover ratio.

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Speaker 6: If you're on the wrong end of turnover ratio, you probably.

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Speaker 3: Lost in a big time contest like that. Yeah, play

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Speaker 3: I mean, maybe you could beat the Raiders by losing

481
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Speaker 3: the turnover battle, but two semi equal teams, that's always

482
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Speaker 3: going to come back, right.

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Speaker 6: And you know, again, it's not so much turning it over.

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Speaker 6: It's not like you can't turn it over, but you've

485
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Speaker 6: got to be a plus in turnover ratio. You know,

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Speaker 6: it's okay, you know, to turn it over once or twice,

487
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Speaker 6: but then you've got to get three or four maybe,

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Speaker 6: And so you.

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Speaker 4: Know, that's another.

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Speaker 6: I think barometer that's been pretty consistent over time. Uh,

491
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Speaker 6: defense still is important in these games, and turnover ratio

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Speaker 6: might be critical.

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Speaker 3: Labs, I know you were joking about Hendrickson and Cupp

494
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Speaker 3: and Garrett and all those dudes, but how aggressive do

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Speaker 3: you think they'll be in terms of going and pursuing

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Speaker 3: free agents outside the organization, or a trade for a

497
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Speaker 3: receiver or whatever. I mean, do you think they're gonna

498
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Speaker 3: be pretty pretty aggressive overall for guys that aren't currently

499
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Speaker 3: Steelers to add to this roster.

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Speaker 6: I think that they're going to make some attempts, you know,

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Speaker 6: I don't. I don't think they're gonna get ridiculous. I

502
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Speaker 6: think that's just not you know, the franchise's way.

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Speaker 4: But you know.

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Speaker 6: They're they're I mean, last year they're offered a bon

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Speaker 6: Ayuku was more than what the forty nine Ers signed

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Speaker 6: him for.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he just made a decision there to sign

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Speaker 4: with San Francisco.

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Speaker 6: Uh So, you know, sometimes I think the mistake is

510
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Speaker 6: made that, you know, when it doesn't work out, it's

511
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Speaker 6: because you know, the Steelers were cheap. That's not necessarily

512
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Speaker 6: the case. I mean, sometimes guys, you know, just want

513
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Speaker 6: you know, where they want to be. You know, it

514
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Speaker 6: is more important to them than every last nickel. So,

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Speaker 6: you know, I think the Steelers are going to make

516
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Speaker 6: some attempts at some people at some certain positions. You know,

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Speaker 6: we'll see if it works out or not. You know

518
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Speaker 6: that that that to me is the is the big thing.

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Speaker 4: And then the draft. I think you got to get lucky.

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Speaker 6: Uh, you know, things have to fall for you to

521
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Speaker 6: be able to pick the guys that you really like

522
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Speaker 6: him or want.

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Speaker 4: So, you know, we'll we'll have to see.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think this those are going to be attempt

525
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Speaker 6: to be active in free agency and add some starting

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Speaker 6: caliber players.

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Speaker 4: They'll take some swings. We'll see how it.

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Speaker 6: Works out in terms of what they actually get done.

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Speaker 3: Would you think wide receiver specifically, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 4: Think wide receiver, you know, is something that.

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Speaker 6: It's gonna look at seriously, and I think that it's

532
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Speaker 6: a veteran there. Uh the is you know, I don't know,

533
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Speaker 6: is it might be the right piece to add to

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Speaker 6: that position on the depth chart, and you know, there's

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Speaker 6: there's just some some of the other positions I think are.

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Speaker 4: Just too expensive.

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Speaker 6: Like I don't think you can sign a starting caliber

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Speaker 6: difference maker on the defensive line.

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Speaker 4: You have to dropt and develop those guys.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I just you know, trying to pay for

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Speaker 6: who you know, who you can have you looking for

542
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Speaker 6: Aaron Donald or you know Hendrickson as an example. Now

543
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Speaker 6: he's a little bit of a you know, a strange fit.

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Speaker 6: Maybe for the Steelers, he's you know, six four to seventy,

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Speaker 6: you know, is he at three four ends or see

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Speaker 6: more of a.

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Speaker 4: Edge guy.

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Speaker 6: I don't know, But an like that is gonna be

549
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Speaker 6: hugely expensive, hugely expensive. So yeah, I think that there's

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Speaker 6: gonna be some areas where the Steelers can add some

551
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Speaker 6: top of a depth charge aliber people through unrestricted free

552
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Speaker 6: agency receivers. Definitely one of them, you know who can

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Speaker 6: I was gonna say running back, but I just think

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Speaker 6: that running back is not perceived to be a position

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Speaker 6: where you need a guy in a rookie contract.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can see him spending money at corner though, too.

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Speaker 6: Yes, corner two, but you're not gonna get I'm trying

558
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Speaker 6: to think of give me a name that.

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Speaker 3: I meant an upgraded starter, a good number two for Joey,

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Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 4: Yes, And I think it's the kind of player it

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Speaker 4: is too.

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Speaker 6: I mean, you want a guy who can play man

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Speaker 6: because if you if you want to play man with Joey,

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Speaker 6: it's good that you have a guy on the other

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Speaker 6: side who gives you some ability to play man to

567
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Speaker 6: man as well. Uh, And then you know you can

568
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Speaker 6: do some other things with your safety. Maybe Minka isn't

569
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Speaker 6: anchored in the middle of the field, maybe he can

570
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Speaker 6: move around a little bit. Maybe see him playing more

571
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Speaker 6: like he played in that flag football game last Sunday.

572
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Speaker 6: And uh, you know when he his job is to

573
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Speaker 6: keep a little things. Uh, you know, first and foremost,

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Speaker 6: it should be interesting. I think they have enough money

575
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Speaker 6: to to do some things, or to attempt to do

576
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Speaker 6: some things. And I think they also have some mechanisms

577
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Speaker 6: that they didn't necessarily have to utilize last season that

578
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Speaker 6: they could utilize this offseason in terms of creating some

579
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Speaker 6: workap space.

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Speaker 4: You know, if something good comes.

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Speaker 1: Up, Yeah, that's the big thing, Labs. And uh, you know,

582
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Speaker 1: when I had you on the show last week, I

583
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Speaker 1: have to say you wanted to take Matt the task

584
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Speaker 1: over his mock draft.

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Speaker 6: I heard, yeah, oh oh my god, draft and a

586
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Speaker 6: wide receiver in the first round.

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Speaker 4: You got to be kid, Wow, I well, nothing.

588
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: Too much.

589
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Speaker 3: We just had this conversation four seconds ago. Sometimes the

590
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Speaker 3: draft doesn't go the way you wanted. I wanted to

591
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Speaker 3: take guys, or just wasn't a d tackle there that

592
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Speaker 3: I loved.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I just think wide receiver is a I won't say

595
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Speaker 6: there a diamond does because.

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Speaker 4: That's really overstating.

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Speaker 6: You know, what I think is the plentable availability of

598
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Speaker 6: that position on an annual basis.

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Speaker 4: Uh, in the draft.

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Speaker 6: But I mean, I just don't I think that you

601
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Speaker 6: got to look for something, you know, as.

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Speaker 3: I think one of the top two picks will be

603
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Speaker 3: a D lineman down it's a really good D tackle draft.

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Speaker 1: I think to FO picks will be a deal.

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Speaker 4: I mean, let me just say this. You know, this

606
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Speaker 4: is another.

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Speaker 6: Thing with you know, draft people that they get all

608
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Speaker 6: hung up about. Is Okay, the Steelers picked twenty first

609
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Speaker 6: and the second or whatever it is in the second round. Okay,

610
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Speaker 6: so if they pick a defensive likoman that you and

611
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Speaker 6: the other draft experts proclaimed to be like forty six

612
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Speaker 6: best player in the draft, Well, what good does that

613
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Speaker 6: do them?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

615
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Speaker 6: You know, not reaching for the guy in the draft

616
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Speaker 6: prognosticators vocabulary, not reaching for the guy twenty one.

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Speaker 4: If he gets forty six, you don't get.

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Speaker 1: Him, right, you know what I mean?

619
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Speaker 4: Sometimes? Uh, you know, this was a Dan Rooney.

620
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Speaker 6: He said, you know sometimes you know this personnel guy scouts,

621
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Speaker 6: you know, the idea is not to win the drafts.

622
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Speaker 4: The idea is to win the super Bowl. And if

623
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Speaker 4: picking a guy like that.

624
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Speaker 6: Maybe, you know, stretches the definition of what a good

625
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Speaker 6: first round pick is.

626
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Speaker 4: But he turns out.

627
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Speaker 6: To be a good player at a position that you

628
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Speaker 6: need and helps you win games.

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Speaker 4: Was a good draft pick.

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Speaker 6: So that's the other thing that when when it comes

631
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Speaker 6: to the draft, for me, I think that I'm never

632
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Speaker 6: one that says that, Okay, you're going into you know,

633
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Speaker 6: this round for this position.

634
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Speaker 4: Okay, But I do think that picking the board is

635
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Speaker 4: the way to go.

636
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Speaker 6: But you don't have to be a slave to the board.

637
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Speaker 6: So you know, it's a little bit of an art

638
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Speaker 6: form maybe, or you know, it's easy the second guest

639
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 6: this kind of stuff, because you know, that's that's the

640
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 6: way I would like to do my draft picks, you know,

641
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Speaker 6: after in hindsight, let me do it like a year

642
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Speaker 6: or two after, and then I can tell you what.

643
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Speaker 4: I would have done.

644
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 6: But uh no, I do think that what I meant

645
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Speaker 6: I was I mean, I was serious when I said

646
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Speaker 6: about you know, sometimes maybe if you're picking twenty first

647
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Speaker 6: and you picked the forty third or forty sixth guy

648
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 6: in the position that you need, that's that's the better pick.

649
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 4: Than picking boards strictly, because if you.

650
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Speaker 6: Don't get I don't think you can afford to be

651
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 6: in the latter half of Friday during the draft and

652
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Speaker 6: not have picked a defensive lineman. I just I mean,

653
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Speaker 6: and expect the guy to be Cam Hayward, because that's

654
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Speaker 6: what you're looking for.

655
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Speaker 4: You're looking for Cam Heyward. You're looking for stuff on

656
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Speaker 4: to Hey. That's what you need.

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Speaker 6: A guy like that, a guy of that caliber, a

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Speaker 6: guy who is you know, good against the run and

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Speaker 6: gives you election as a pass thrusher.

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Speaker 4: And so that's what you've got to get. Uh.

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Speaker 6: And if it's if you've got to reach a little bit,

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Speaker 6: I don't know, because yeah, it's it's nice talking about,

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Speaker 6: Well you get your receiver and then you trade it

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Speaker 6: to get the defensive lineman. Well, you know, maybe you

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Speaker 6: can't find a partner to trade.

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Speaker 4: Up for with. So that's that's been my drafting philosophy.

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Speaker 4: Thank it for what it's forth.

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Speaker 1: Our guest has been Bob Labriola, editor of Steeler's Digest

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Speaker 1: in Steelers dot com. The Dean of Doom, the Lord

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Speaker 1: of living in his fears, the uh, the Pope of positivity.

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Speaker 1: Today's he's all into on the you know positive stuff here.

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Speaker 1: Need to have the you know the I agree with you, Bob.

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Speaker 1: I agree that they need to go defensive line early

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Speaker 1: in this draft. And and uh that's you know again,

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Speaker 1: defense matters. The two teams that are in the super

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Speaker 1: Bowl didn't get there just by going out and scoring

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Speaker 1: forty points a game. It's just not the way that

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Speaker 1: not the way this worked. But Lass, as always, we

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Speaker 1: appreciate talking to you here every Wednesday, and we'll do

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Speaker 1: it again next Wednesday. And see where we're rooting for.

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Speaker 4: Who we're rooting for Sunday Fellaws.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I guess I was hoping for Bill's Lions get one

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Speaker 3: of those fan bases at Trophy, but these ones are

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Speaker 3: hard to root for.

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Speaker 4: I don't know I find one he's root against.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure Casey is not your choice. Fly Fly, Well,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk to you again next week. Bob and h

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Speaker 1: have a have a safe weekend. Hopefully you don't have

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Speaker 1: to shovel too much snow this weekend or tonight or

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Speaker 1: whenever the snow is supposed to hit us here. But

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Speaker 1: he is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly, you're listening

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Speaker 1: to the drive here on this Steelers Audio Network. Matt

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Speaker 1: now will be more back with more right after this.

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Speaker 2: At least he's the drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

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Speaker 2: Williamson on your twenty four to seven Home of the

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Speaker 2: Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 1: And we are back. I am Dale Lolly, he is

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Speaker 1: the Matt Williamson and we want to thank Helium Bombers first.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as they said, I was joking that Lab is

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Speaker 3: going to cheer us up, you know, But when Alvin

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Speaker 3: the Chipmunks called.

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Speaker 1: In, Chris, Chris, that's what we should have done. Hey,

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Speaker 1: bollow what happened?

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Speaker 3: So you seen me a Chipmunk song? But they'd pick

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Speaker 3: up the motor around here.

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Speaker 1: Uh, you can still hear him and you hear what, right,

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Speaker 1: So it's good stuff to say it just there was

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Speaker 1: a weird connection whatever. Right, Well, we were talking wide

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Speaker 1: receivers there and Matt. My position reviews have continued to

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Speaker 1: run on Steelers dot com acts. We're beyond wide receivers.

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Speaker 1: We're onto Uh we're a little behind you and I

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Speaker 1: we're a linebackers here, I believe. So let's talk about

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Speaker 1: the Steelers linebacker situation.

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Speaker 4: T J.

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Speaker 1: Watt, Alex high Smith, Patrick Queen, the Landham, Roberts, Peyton Wilson,

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Speaker 1: Nick Krbig, Preston Smith, Jeremiah Moon, Mark Robinson, Tyler, Matdokevitch

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Speaker 1: and Cole Holcombe were the guys that the notable names. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the notable names there, And I know that again. You

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Speaker 1: know the way the run defense finished the season up.

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Speaker 1: You look kind of at the linebackers for that. But sure,

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Speaker 1: I think that's as good a group as you'll see

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Speaker 1: in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: I bet it's the group with the or close to it,

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Speaker 3: the least amount of change too. You know, like Preston

726
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Speaker 3: Smith will likely be released because and they knew that

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Speaker 3: going in and nothing that he did wrong. It's just

728
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Speaker 3: he's a big contract. Obviously, Holcombe could be a release

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Speaker 3: as well because they got a lot of them. Not again,

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Speaker 3: nothing he did wrong. Roberts is a free agent. I

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Speaker 3: think they bring them back, but I think he wants

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Speaker 3: to come back, he would add up to me. You know,

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Speaker 3: maybe Peyton Wilson's participation goes up a little bit going forward.

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Speaker 3: I think he's starting to earn that. But other than that,

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Speaker 3: I think you're gonna see a lot of the same,

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Speaker 3: which I'm absolutely fine with. I think you don't have

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Speaker 3: to do much there at all. I would like to

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Speaker 3: bring Roberts back.

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Speaker 1: Do you add a body there at all in the draft?

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Speaker 1: That's one area we've kind of ignored in our draft stuff.

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Speaker 1: It would be late, Yeah, I mean it'd be late.

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Speaker 1: It is a really deep.

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Speaker 3: Edge class, and it never hurts to have a fourth

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Speaker 3: one that makes his bones on special teams, and you know.

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Speaker 1: You might find that, and you know, rookie free agent,

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Speaker 1: you might. You might. Again it's a deep class, you

747
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Speaker 1: might be able to find a guy that kind of

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Speaker 1: gets overlooked. Maybe he's a little shorter than Yeah, what

749
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Speaker 1: everybody's looking for something like that.

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Speaker 3: Is is Moon definitely back.

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Speaker 1: I should get that.

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Speaker 3: I thought my head he's an exclusive or one of

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Speaker 3: those type of deals, right, and he was a good

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Speaker 3: special teamer and he's going to compete for a roster spot.

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Speaker 3: Would you consider bringing Preston Smith back after releasing him?

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Speaker 3: I mean it would probably be a little Him and

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Speaker 3: Mike Williams both I've kind of looked at, like maybe

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Speaker 3: late in free agency if he's not getting a lot

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Speaker 3: of bites, bring them the camp on a one year deal.

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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, maybe, I mean, you can't pay him

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Speaker 1: the thirteen million dollars or whatever it is, but he

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Speaker 1: knows that. They know that everybody, And the problem then

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Speaker 1: becomes if you do that. I mean, it's great if

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Speaker 1: you have an injury, yeah, to have that, But otherwise,

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Speaker 1: as we saw at certain times last year, like when

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Speaker 1: he would be inactive because they wanted to have Moon

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Speaker 1: up for special teams purposes, people will go crazy, why

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Speaker 1: is Preston Smith not active today? Because he doesn't play

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Speaker 1: special teams at all? Doesn't at all.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's he doesn't get his jersey dirty if

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Speaker 3: everybody's out there.

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Speaker 1: Those fifteen snaps that he gives you on defense are fine,

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Speaker 1: they're great, but he doesn't do anything else.

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Speaker 3: Don't doing else, right, And that's tough if you're the

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Speaker 3: fourth guy in rotation. If you're the third guy, that's

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Speaker 3: definitely you played thirty snaps great. I mean, need have

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Speaker 3: been active every time. If her Big or high Smith

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Speaker 3: was out, he would play. They would never consider it

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Speaker 3: making him an actor, right, But I think he's a

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Speaker 3: quality player and he's a little different than the guys.

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Speaker 1: They and they even lined him up inside at times

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Speaker 1: last year. You know, is that fourth is that interior

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Speaker 1: rush guy, you know, the nickel and dime package on

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Speaker 1: third and lungs. Yeah, yeah, they knew they weren't going

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Speaker 1: to get a run, especially the game Hayward had the

786
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Speaker 1: really fighting the illness. Yeah, so he gives you that

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Speaker 1: potential as well.

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Speaker 3: But for the most part, I'm running back inside and

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Speaker 3: out the linebackers. Yeah, you know, I mean, I don't

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Speaker 3: think there's anybody on the move. Maybe if you release

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Speaker 3: Hulkom and he's sitting out there in a month two, Hey,

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Speaker 3: you want to sign a one year cheap deal because

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Speaker 3: you didn't.

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Speaker 1: Put an hype out. I mean, I think they like him.

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Speaker 1: I think they kind of went over him too. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean you you drafted Peyton Wilson to essentially be

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Speaker 1: that guy. Yeah, and you and you also signed to

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Speaker 1: Patrick Queen, who there there was the idea that he

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Speaker 1: had a bad year. I don't necessarily get. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you look at if you look at what the

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Speaker 1: the the inside linebacker group produced this year as compared

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Speaker 1: to it just a couple of years ago, it's night

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Speaker 1: and day.

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Speaker 3: And they were playing with I mean, since Shezier's injury,

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Speaker 3: this is the best that unit has been clearly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I want to see what that looks

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Speaker 1: like in year two of this. I'm not I'm not saying, oh,

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Speaker 1: this is this group didn't do anything. No, they played

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Speaker 1: pretty well and I think it's only going to get better.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not making excuses for the guy, but he

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Speaker 3: was very ill for that playoff game too, and looked it. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean he was sluggish, didn't you know, he probably

813
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Speaker 3: should not have been out there. But it's his former

814
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Speaker 3: team in the playoffs. Of course he's going to play.

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Speaker 3: And you hear that a lot.

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Speaker 1: Like, oh, if this were a playoff game, that guy

817
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Speaker 1: would be playing, right, well, it should have that guy

818
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Speaker 1: was playing.

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Speaker 3: That guy was playing, and in that game he was

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Speaker 3: a liability. But that's so be it. I think he

821
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Speaker 3: had an up and down first year, but the ups

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Speaker 3: are impressive and there's you know, an athlete on that level.

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Speaker 3: His quality goes a long way too, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean just think it was just a couple

825
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Speaker 1: of years ago that their inside linebackers had like four

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Speaker 1: tackles for a loss. Oh yeah, one sack in collective

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Speaker 1: no forces, you know, just the whole splash at all, Right, No,

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Speaker 1: splash at all. They got splash out of those guys.

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Speaker 3: And I think Wilson's best days are to come. I

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Speaker 3: bet Queen's even better in year two, you know.

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Speaker 1: What I mean, understands the defense better. He got off

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Speaker 1: their slow start.

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Speaker 3: He did, and I thought some people in the organization

834
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Speaker 3: kind of mentioned not to me directly. I don't go

835
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Speaker 3: report and stuff, but it seemed like he had a

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Speaker 3: lot on his plate early and was swimming a little

837
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Speaker 3: bit with new system. I'm the green dot guy all that,

838
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Speaker 3: and I think that got better as the year went on,

839
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Speaker 3: and it'll be fine next year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, yeah, I just think year two in

841
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Speaker 1: the system, and he's still a young guy. I mean,

842
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Speaker 1: you've got two cornerstone young defensive guys inside linebackers there

843
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: that you can be pretty good there for the next

844
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Speaker 1: few years.

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Speaker 3: And communication between those guys and some continuity is important

846
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 3: as well. One of the reasons I would not love

847
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Speaker 3: to lose Roberts because also he's more of a hammer

848
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Speaker 3: than those guys too. Yeah, but all in all, I

849
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Speaker 3: think you basically just run it back outside and inside

850
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Speaker 3: linebackers and go from there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's move on the running backs here real quick. Okay,

852
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: it's not as many guys to talk about at that position,

853
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: so we can do this one a little quicker. You

854
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 1: get nausey Harris, Jalen Warren, Cordero Patterson, and Aaron Shamplin

855
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: got some running there this year as well. Harris and

856
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: Patterson both unrestricted free agents. Warren is restricted. You see

857
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Speaker 1: a lot of this whether they're gonna lose Jalen Warren.

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Speaker 1: They're not gonna lose Jalen Warren.

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Speaker 3: They're gonna put secondround tender on him, and if someone

860
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 3: wants them that bad, you get a second round pick

861
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Speaker 3: for him and you draft this draft.

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Speaker 1: I'd be more than right. Just get younger, right, Yeah,

863
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Speaker 1: but I.

864
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Speaker 3: Think he's gonna want to be back. I don't know

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Speaker 3: what Champlain's situation is, but of you can find those

866
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Speaker 3: guys right right right, they'll be camp guys like him.

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Speaker 3: I as much as I think they'll draft the defense tackle,

868
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Speaker 3: I think they'll draft running back even stronger. You know, like,

869
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Speaker 3: in terms of putting a tip down of one position,

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Speaker 3: I really feel strong that they will draft will be

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Speaker 3: a running back. We do this a lot in the

872
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 3: you know, the first segment hour or two, maybe even two.

873
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 3: I mean, I think there could be two rookies in camp,

874
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 3: maybe one's an undrafted free agent that are on lists,

875
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 3: you know, pedigree.

876
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: Guys, and it's it's a great running back draft. It

877
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: just depends on what they're feeling is regarding Warren. Do

878
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 1: they do they view him as a potential starter, because

879
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: I think that changes where you're looking potentially for that back,

880
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: or do you do you say, Okay, we're going to

881
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: take one in the second round here and that guy's

882
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: going to be one a yeah, and Warren's going to

883
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: stay in the same role and.

884
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 3: Warren becomes an unrestricted after the year too. There's that,

885
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 3: you know, right right preparing for the next time. I

886
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 3: didn't even consider extending him. I'm a big, big Warren fan,

887
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 3: to be honest with you. And he's another one that

888
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 3: started the season slow due to injury. There was a

889
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 3: little bit there were some flashes in those last half

890
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 3: of the season though, that reminded people of what he

891
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 3: was in previous years. I think he's a very good

892
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 3: football player and one of their best offensive weapons right now.

893
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like him a lot, you know. I also

894
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 1: I think Nause Harris is a good football player. I

895
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: do do I think I think, you know, the people

896
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: who are saying he's a bust or things of that,

897
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: Now that's out there. Four straight thousand yard seasons.

898
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 3: You were not a bust, right, and does what football

899
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 3: on the ground? Super reliable, durable, all those type of

900
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 3: things too. Yeah, the he's not a bust it goes

901
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 3: back to the five picks in the draft either.

902
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it goes back to the fifty year option stuff.

903
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: They didn't pick up his fifty year options, so they

904
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: must not like him. Well, I looked it up. Seventeen

905
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: players from the Nausey Harris draft and got their fifty

906
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 1: year option picked up, which means fifteen didn't. Yeah, yeah,

907
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: so half and I went back and looked at the

908
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: numbers from that.

909
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 3: A lot of it depends on position to play pre

910
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 3: CBA and post CBA, and it's brutal.

911
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's it's changed. It used to

912
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: be about it was around twenty that they got their

913
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: option picked up, and now you're you know, it's less

914
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: than that because you you just can't afford to do

915
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: it at the.

916
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 3: Level of the great system that needs to be reevaluated.

917
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: Next one, Well, I mean I understand why the Union

918
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 1: wants it. But essentially what's happening now is these guys

919
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,919
Speaker 1: are all getting they're all every rookie's a four year deal.

920
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and then that fifth year option for the

921
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: special guys. It is for the guys who were, oh yeah,

922
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 1: we can't afford to lose that guy.

923
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 3: The other thing too, about the fifth year option with

924
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 3: Nause is on the day that you had to pick

925
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 3: it up, he could blow out his knee in Week

926
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 3: one and then you're on the hook. And at that

927
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,919
Speaker 3: I know these durables could be, but no one takes

928
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,280
Speaker 3: more punishment than running backs. Now, that's a hard position

929
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 3: to guarantee it unless your sake one.

930
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: That's why, you know, if you take one in the

931
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: first round, that's fine. If you don't, if you hit

932
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: one in the second round, that's even better.

933
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 3: And there's a lot in this draft. I mean, we

934
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 3: can't emphasize that enough. I wonder what will Nause you

935
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 3: get on the open market. It's a bad year to

936
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,439
Speaker 3: be a free agent running back, you know. I mean

937
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 3: I don't think that. I think some people in the

938
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 3: league will be like I went to the next Barkley,

939
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 3: I went the next Henry, and I'm not going to

940
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 3: tell you he's that guy.

941
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: But I could see a team like the Raiders though,

942
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 1: looking at this Andy going, hey, we got money, Pete

943
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: Carroll's in there, like I like a back who's gonna

944
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: get pound between the tackles.

945
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 3: Yeah.

946
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, if we if we sign this guy, we've got money.

947
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 1: That takes something off of our plate. Yeah, doesn't mean

948
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: we don't take one later, but now we don't have

949
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: to take one in the third round because we don't

950
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: have one right now, we don't have a starter.

951
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 3: Maybe teams will, you know, look at the Lions and

952
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 3: say he's our Montgomery. Yeah, you know, and he's not

953
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:50,760
Speaker 3: the most dynamic.

954
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: Back in the back. Maybe that's a better role for him.

955
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: I think it's a great role for him.

956
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 4: Yeah.

957
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 3: And him and Warren had something kind of did even

958
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 3: but not more last year.

959
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, right, Warren was the entire school electric.

960
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

961
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: There were times this year where Harris had to he

962
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: had to carry the entire load for the most point

963
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: because Warren was hurt. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, it

964
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: is what it is.

965
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 3: He's also not super young either, I mean just in

966
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 3: terms of actually the same age. No, I mean to

967
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 3: be hitting free agency.

968
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Harris and Warren are the same exact dames.

969
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: You know, people don't understand that they came out of

970
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 1: high school the same year. Harris just got here.

971
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 3: Everything that happened in between really doesn't matter.

972
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, anyways, let's get to a break. He is

973
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Speaker 1: the Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lolly. You're listening to the

974
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Speaker 1: drive here on the Steelers Audio Network. That's going to

975
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Speaker 1: do it for our number one of the drive here

976
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Speaker 1: on the Steelers Audio Network. I got a little something

977
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: to throw at Matt here in our number two kicking

978
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: it off here with our little mock draft. We'll do

979
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Speaker 1: that when we get back right after this