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Speaker 3: I took my kids to see their step brother against

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Speaker 3: my wife's wishes.

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Speaker 2: Well maybe she thought you were talking about the movie

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Speaker 3: I have one son with my ex wife and three

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Speaker 3: kids with my current wife. My oldest is nineteen. The

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Speaker 3: other kids are thirteen, twelve, and six, all boys except

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Speaker 3: for the twelve year old. My oldest traveled overseas during

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Speaker 3: summer break, but there was a two week period where

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Speaker 3: he was at school but had no class and no commitments,

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Speaker 3: and he wanted us to come visit him. By the way,

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Speaker 3: this comes from by Okay fifty five seventy and if

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Speaker 3: r slash Okay story Time. Separate it. So I said

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Speaker 3: that we would go, and when I told my wife

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Speaker 3: she was annoyed. I committed without asking her. We didn't

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Speaker 3: have plans She said, I couldn't know that for sure

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Speaker 3: without asking her. I said, if there are plans I

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Speaker 3: don't know about, surely, that means she made a commitment

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Speaker 3: without asking me exactly. Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant. That argument fizzled out, however,

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Speaker 3: she later informed me we were invited to go on

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Speaker 3: a trip with some friends that would overlap, and she

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Speaker 3: wanted to go on the trip. I said, we already

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Speaker 3: had plans. She said she never agreed to the plans,

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Speaker 3: and the argument resumed. Eventually, I said she could do

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Speaker 3: whatever she wanted, but the kids and I were going

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Speaker 3: to fly out to visit my son. I said it's

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Speaker 3: important for them to spend time together so they continue

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Speaker 3: to have a good relationship now that he's an adult

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Speaker 3: and we probably won't see him as much. She said,

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Speaker 3: I know she hates California, where his school is, and

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Speaker 3: it's insensitive for me to just assume she's okay with going.

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Speaker 3: I told her, if she doesn't want to go, don't go.

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Speaker 3: I'll go alone with kids. She didn't want that, and

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Speaker 3: the fight got intense, so I said we should ask

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Speaker 3: the kids what they want to do. When we asked

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Speaker 3: the kids, she really talked up her vacation plan and

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Speaker 3: pooh pood going to California, but the kids wanted to

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Speaker 3: see their brother. She still didn't want me to take

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Speaker 3: them after that, and we continue to argue about it

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Speaker 3: right up until the kids and I left. We had

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Speaker 3: a great trip. Ever since we returned from the trip,

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Speaker 3: she has been frosty towards me. Last week she dropped

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Speaker 3: the bombshell of wanting to do couples counseling. I agreed,

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Speaker 3: and we just found someone and made an appointment for September.

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Speaker 3: All my friends say the counseling is a bad sign,

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Speaker 3: the divorced and married alike. I guess I just want

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Speaker 3: to know what I'm in for. Am I going to

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Speaker 3: go in and immediately get roasted for my actions? Ultimately,

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Speaker 3: I love my wife, and I love my kids, and

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Speaker 3: I want my kids to have a good relationship with

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Speaker 3: each other? Is that so bad? There are some comments?

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Speaker 3: But what do you think?

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Speaker 2: I mean? According to her, it's probably pretty bad. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Like the commenters are saying, he probably just doesn't like

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Speaker 2: it because it's not our kid.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's it. I think like not liking

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Speaker 3: California is such a silly excuse to like not get

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Speaker 3: your other kids to go visit their brother.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I think that she's just upset that he still has

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Speaker 3: this other kid, because we haven't really heard much about

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Speaker 3: it's at all close. Comments come and one. The only

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Speaker 3: thing that matters in this whole situation is that the

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Speaker 3: younger siblings wanted to go on this trip to visit

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Speaker 3: their brother. Had they not, would you have gone alone

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Speaker 3: to see your son and allowed them to go on

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Speaker 3: the trip their mother wanted. I have a feeling you

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Speaker 3: I hate California. I couldn't possibly spend even a moment

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Speaker 3: the twelve year old gets accepted to a California school.

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Speaker 3: Guests whose mommy's gonna go with their child when they

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Speaker 3: their dorm visit during parent weekend, et cetera. Yeah, your

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Speaker 3: wife guaranteed, she's the eighthole year Ope, he says, and

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Speaker 3: a great guy who loves his family. Hopefully they stay

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Speaker 3: in each other's lives. I think that's probably another reply.

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Speaker 3: Common two says, your friends are wrong in your case, Yes,

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Speaker 3: couples who need counseling are more likely to be on

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Speaker 3: their way out. But in your case, it seems like

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Speaker 3: you two are pretty bad at communicating with one another.

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Speaker 3: Marriage counseling could actually benefit the two of you and

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Speaker 3: give you both the communication tools and aptitude that you

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Speaker 3: both lack. Common three says, to me, everyone secksier. You

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Speaker 3: were the ale for a green to go without talking

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Speaker 3: to her first and volunteering everyone to the trip. I

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Speaker 3: think how you handled it after that was pretty well done, though,

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Speaker 3: and it certainly helps you your point that the kids

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Speaker 3: did want to go on that trip. She's the ale

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Speaker 3: because it seems apparent she just really didn't want to

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Speaker 3: go on the trip and is coming up with excuses

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Speaker 3: to try and torpedo it. The bias against California is

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Speaker 3: weird to me. Counseling doesn't have to be bad. My

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Speaker 3: wife and I did it early in our marriage when

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Speaker 3: we had some stumbling blocks, but it mostly has reminded

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Speaker 3: us that we like each other and got along well

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Speaker 3: even if we didn't always agree to me, it seems

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Speaker 3: like you have issues communicating and that's something that could

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Speaker 3: be worked on in counseling. And there is an update, folks,

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Speaker 3: any thought, No, I.

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Speaker 2: Just agree with all of that last comment. That was

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Speaker 2: a very nice, stute comment.

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Speaker 3: Several people commented on my posts asking more like demanding.

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Speaker 3: But that's by the bye that I speak to my

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Speaker 3: son about my wife. We spoke today. I asked him

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Speaker 3: if he was disappointed that she didn't come with us

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Speaker 3: and he said, they're not close.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I had to say, if the kid already.

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Speaker 3: Knows that she's not coming.

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Speaker 2: If she does not like your kid, your kid already

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Speaker 2: knows me. Yeah, even if.

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Speaker 3: You don't, Yeah, your kid probably knows that it's not

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Speaker 3: And he said he didn't feel positively or negatively about it.

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Speaker 3: I asked if he felt she was a good stepmother tim.

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Speaker 3: He said, sure, that's no, that's a no, that's sure.

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Speaker 2: You want to get married, sure.

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Speaker 3: He said that honestly, he didn't really consider her a

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Speaker 3: then not very much. With me and his siblings. There

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Speaker 3: are frequent calls and video chats between visits with her.

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Speaker 3: Nothing so even though technically she's his stepmother, dim she's

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Speaker 3: just her name, but she was a good her name

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Speaker 3: to him. We talked about other things afterwards, but the

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Speaker 3: conversation bothered me. Tonight I talked to my wife about it.

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Speaker 3: I asked her how she felt about my son. He

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Speaker 3: loved him. She said that was a weird question. I said,

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Speaker 3: and I love him, so she loves him by proxy.

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Speaker 3: Ay the transit of property of love. I love him?

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Speaker 2: Did you just algebrain my son relationship with you?

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Speaker 3: That bothered me too, but I pushed past it. I

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Speaker 3: asked why she didn't want to visit him. She said

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Speaker 3: not remain dependent on their childhood's support systems. She said,

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Speaker 3: it's all well and good to link up if we're

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Speaker 3: already going somewhere, but I know she doesn't like California,

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Speaker 3: so if she went, it would only be to see him,

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Speaker 3: and she thinks that's a strange thing to do. I asked,

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Speaker 3: doesn't she want all the kids to remain close? She said, no,

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Speaker 2: Nope, I'd like them to not like each other.

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Speaker 3: I want them to hate each other.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I don't want peace, I want problem always nice.

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Speaker 3: She reminded me she isn't close with their sister at all.

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Speaker 3: They talk only occasionally and sometimes go years without seeing

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Speaker 3: they get along fine, but they don't need to see

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Speaker 3: each other. She also pointed out that I barely knew

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Speaker 3: spot for me. Girl, Well what are you doing? Also, dude,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Well, I guess he never lived there,

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Speaker 3: She reminded me that my mother and uncle were estranged

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Speaker 3: makes no sense to her that all the kids spending

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Speaker 3: I don't consider those relationship models to emulate. I want

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Speaker 3: them to be close. They're close. However, if we don't

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Speaker 3: What are you talking about? I literally would divorce her

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Speaker 2: I was about to say, I'm like, there's not oftentimes

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Speaker 2: it's a conversation. Yeah, yeah, this is like school.

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Speaker 3: Are you crazy mindset to have? I said, we fundamentally

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Speaker 3: cut my son out. She said, no one's suggesting that,

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Speaker 3: that I acted like we hadn't seen my son in forever.

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Speaker 3: to be together at least once every six months. I said,

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Speaker 2: She said.

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Speaker 3: That was a little crazy because he's an adult with

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Speaker 3: his own life. But if he's cool with that and

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Speaker 3: that's what I want, that's fine.

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Speaker 2: Once every six months is beyond reasonable.

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Speaker 3: That's crazy. Honestly, that's that's not a lot, that's bare,

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Speaker 3: that's very little.

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Speaker 2: She said.

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Speaker 3: The only issue is she doesn't want to have to

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Speaker 2: It's just like a how did you not know this

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Speaker 3: That is what I'm asking, because I'm like, she's been

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Speaker 2: They're turning me into the no face from ah spirited

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Speaker 5: She's like, guys, whip up some tears really quick. I

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Speaker 6: Is that's what that makes? It sound like she's showing

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Speaker 6: That's crazy, These weird extra things that are obviously revenge.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, it's costing Opie money to.

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Speaker 4: Watch these kids. Yeah, because she's buying everything for them.

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Speaker 2: such a doormat. So yesterday I told her I couldn't

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're doing You do not have to watch the

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Speaker 2: She called seventy seven times, sent over one hundred texts

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Speaker 2: horrible person who abandons her family. Mmmmm. Blocked, blocked, immediately blocked.

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Speaker 2: I outlined a few rules with my fiance's help the

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Speaker 2: And I got messages from an unknown number saying how

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Speaker 2: Do these people not know what babysitters are? Based on

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Speaker 2: number two CPS called and asked for more info, which

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Speaker 2: it added credibility. I've had one Zoom appointment with a

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Speaker 2: I already got homework on boundaries. I haven't heard from

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Speaker 5: Ah, I have nothing else right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I mean, she's clearly not like broken

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Speaker 2: so it's insane that she's treating you this way.

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Speaker 5: She doesn't have the money to pay for the babysitter,

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Speaker 2: Right, And if she's just like I imagine, maybe she's

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Speaker 2: I actually kind of laughed, it was so ridiculous. I

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Speaker 2: told her I don't even want kids, and wouldn't take

439
00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,560
Speaker 2: hers even if they were offered. Dang, I hope the

440
00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:54,320
Speaker 2: kids do that.

441
00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,600
Speaker 4: I wouldn't want your kids even if I had the chance.

442
00:20:57,960 --> 00:20:59,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, if they were like, you can take them.

443
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Speaker 6: I be like, oh, and the kids are just behind her, like,

444
00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,520
Speaker 6: but why we love when you come over.

445
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,160
Speaker 2: Right, showers and I love when I come over showers

446
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:15,919
Speaker 2: and food. Oh no, I was gonna say I love

447
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,439
Speaker 2: when I come over because I get to leave, but

448
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:23,120
Speaker 2: now it just feels mean. So I don't want your kids.

449
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:24,960
Speaker 2: I don't want any kids. It might have been a

450
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,879
Speaker 2: cruel thing to say, but I'm just so tired. She

451
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,920
Speaker 2: somehow got angrier and said how horrible the boys will

452
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,200
Speaker 2: now feel, knowing I'd abandon them, I proving I didn't

453
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 2: love them. I knew I couldn't win with her, so

454
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,480
Speaker 2: I just asked why she was here and where the

455
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Speaker 2: kids were. Clara said they are whereabouts were none of

456
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,400
Speaker 2: my business, and she was here to tell me I'd

457
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,880
Speaker 2: never see them again. I'd accepted that as a possibility,

458
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,200
Speaker 2: so I didn't really react, which made her even angrier.

459
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 2: She tried to grab me, but I stood about six

460
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,879
Speaker 2: feet away, so she couldn't reach me, and I just

461
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,919
Speaker 2: ran inside the building and closed the door behind me.

462
00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 2: She followed, so I shouted through the door that I

463
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 2: would call the police. She didn't leave. She banged on

464
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Speaker 2: the door and left without saying anything. After around twenty

465
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,960
Speaker 2: minutes of just breathing, my fiance came home from work.

466
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 2: I was still on the floor, so he obviously freaked out,

467
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 2: and I told him everything, and he said we should

468
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 2: make a police report and also update the CPS people

469
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 2: about Clara's a regular behavior. It's getting late and I

470
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 2: can't sleep worrying about making the police report tomorrow and

471
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 2: wondering what to tell CPS. And there's a fourth update

472
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Speaker 2: a month later. Let's get into it. Sorry it took

473
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,880
Speaker 2: a while, but I've been trying to keep busy as

474
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,439
Speaker 2: I missed the boys. I haven't heard from them at

475
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 2: all since my sister was banging on our door. CPS

476
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 2: has been in contact a few times, but as we

477
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 2: let them know, we wouldn't be willing to take the

478
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:47,639
Speaker 2: boys unless absolutely necessary, not even for a short foster placement. Oh,

479
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 2: they haven't been telling us as much about their situation,

480
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 2: so as far as the boys go, I've accepted I'll

481
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 2: probably never see them again. I wish that if I

482
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,719
Speaker 2: can keep tabs on them, I can reintroduce myself when

483
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,680
Speaker 2: they're ten years or so old and have their own phones.

484
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 2: It's far away, but I have to have something to

485
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 2: look forward to. CPS is actively still investigating. My sister

486
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 2: failed to show up demandatory meetings and wasn't available when

487
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 2: they tried to reach out to her, And at least

488
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,199
Speaker 2: once Clara arrived at the house without the kids just

489
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,119
Speaker 2: as CPS came by and they realized the kids had

490
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 2: been home alone for the time Clara was gone. Clara

491
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 2: said she just dropped off something the street over, so

492
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 2: she was gone for less than three minutes. I don't

493
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 2: know if I believe that, and the CPS didn't think

494
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,199
Speaker 2: so either. The reason we don't want to take the

495
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 2: boys is mainly our health. I have a chronic illness

496
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 2: and my fiance is in a wheelchair. Makes a little

497
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 2: more sense.

498
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Speaker 5: Now, I mean it made sense anyway. A lot of

499
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 5: people don't want kids.

500
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,679
Speaker 2: No, but I mean, just why. It's like, absolutely, in

501
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 2: no way are we doing this. I'm chronically ill, my

502
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:50,360
Speaker 2: husband is wheelchair bound, and these are five year old.

503
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 2: We are not a cool will take care of two

504
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 2: kids who are toddler age. We live in a one

505
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 2: bedroom apartment and having the boys' beds and stuff would

506
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 2: make it inexcess for a wheelchair, and that is just

507
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 2: not okay. In addition, we just don't want kids at all.

508
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 2: I don't think i'd be a great parent, and I

509
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 2: can't expect my fiance to parent either, because he didn't

510
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 2: sign up for it. I hope the boys are small

511
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 2: enough so that they are easy to place. It breaks

512
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 2: my heart, but at the same time, I just can't

513
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 2: do it. There is a fifth update, let's get into it.

514
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 2: The first court date came and went without my sister there.

515
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 2: She did not show up. The next date was set

516
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 2: for late July and they issued fines if she didn't

517
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 2: show up again. The boys were placed together with a

518
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 2: family and they resumed contact with us and wanted us

519
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 2: to meet them. They are now four and almost three.

520
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 2: It had been around ten weeks since we last met,

521
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 2: so they were shy at the beginning, but I think

522
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 2: at least the older one recognized us. They looked healthier,

523
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 2: gained some weight, and overall just better. I hadn't even

524
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 2: noticed they looked bad before. Now but with the improvement,

525
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 2: the difference is clear. The July court date also came

526
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 2: and went with no word from my sister, so then

527
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 2: the court had to decide if they make the decisions

528
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 2: without her. Apparently it's not common to have family court

529
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 2: about custody issues with no legal guardians present who knew.

530
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 2: I just wish this was all over, obviously, but it's

531
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,439
Speaker 2: not my call to make, so I'm just focusing on

532
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 2: building a relationship with the boys. See them around once

533
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 2: a week, either alone or with my fiance. We could

534
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 2: apply to see them without supervision, but have no need to.

535
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 2: We understand the boys need to be protected, as they

536
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,439
Speaker 2: have practically no one. We still think we did the

537
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 2: right thing by not taking them in Beyonce had a

538
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 2: scary summer with pneumonia and we wouldn't have been able

539
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 2: to be with the boys. I'm content with how things are.

540
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 2: I wish none of this happened, and I feel really

541
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 2: guilty as it seems my sister's mental health was tolerable

542
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 2: before I started to push back, and now she's unrecognizable.

543
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 2: Stop it. Your sister's deteriorated mental health is not your

544
00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 2: responsibility or your fault. Please, it's crazy, So I'm starting

545
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 2: to feel guilty about that, not that I've seen her

546
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 2: in months, but still. My fiance said he thinks the

547
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 2: breakdown was inevitable and just happened to happen. Now, hey, y'all,

548
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 2: it's John Ogi host here. We're gonna get back to

549
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Speaker 2: the stories, but here's a quick three minute break from

550
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Speaker 2: as for more sponsors.

551
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Speaker 5: My family thinks I'm ruining my life because I'm planning

552
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 5: to move.

553
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 2: Don't you damn move away from me?

554
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 5: I female, twenty two and my partner, male twenty seven

555
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 5: just welcomed our new baby in May. He is the

556
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 5: most absolute perfect baby in the world. In October twenty

557
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 5: twenty four, when I was one month pregnant, I lost

558
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 5: the home I'd been living in.

559
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 4: For two years.

560
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 5: This home was a statement of my independence and truly

561
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 5: felt like my safe haven. I was absolutely lost, but

562
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 5: my partner guaranteed we would be okay.

563
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 3: By the way, this.

564
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 5: Comes from False Raspberry thirteen seventy two, and if you

565
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,120
Speaker 5: want to submit your own stories.

566
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 4: Go to the r slash Okay storytime subreddit.

567
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 5: And Opie says we were both going through a really

568
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 5: tough financial spot and thought our troubles would be over soon.

569
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 5: We ended up moving into a home that my grandma

570
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 5: used to live in before she passed. This home was

571
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 5: seriously trashed, a hoarder house filled with fecal matter, trash

572
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 5: and fleas.

573
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 4: Equal battered trash fleas.

574
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 2: Wow, the unholy.

575
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 4: Trinity new type of fleasio.

576
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 6: I think that's how you get the plague with my

577
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 6: dude burn it ses accidentally.

578
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 5: My sister female twenty four, was supposed to be caring

579
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 5: for the home and cleaning it up, but she hadn't.

580
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 5: We thought everything would be fine, that we'd clean it

581
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 5: up and make this place a home. Well, let's just

582
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 5: say the nine months following that day were absolutely heck.

583
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 5: We were promised this home would be our own, that

584
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 5: we would buy it off my mom and be able

585
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 5: to make something of ourselves. But from the moment we moved,

586
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 5: my sister and her boyfriend would fight constantly. I mean

587
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 5: literal screaming matches that lasted hours, from slamming doors to

588
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 5: literally coming downstairs waking us up and demanding we choose sides.

589
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 2: My god, I I would truly just go until they

590
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 2: left me alone. I would pick no side except the

591
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 2: side of noises that.

592
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 4: It would probably work. I want to see how long

593
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 4: you can do.

594
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 5: Though it escalated to full on screaming at me while

595
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 5: I'm just trying to walk to the bathroom. I pleaded

596
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 5: with my mom to pump them out and let us

597
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 5: handle everything, but she refused, saying my sister needs help

598
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 5: and she can't abandon her.

599
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 4: That was the first blow.

600
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 5: The second was when we were forced to buy everything

601
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 5: to fix the place up. We used our tax money,

602
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 5: which was fairly good money, to buy flooring for the house.

603
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,959
Speaker 5: We worked expecting help doing this project, but got nothing.

604
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 5: We were doing the nursery and still had to deal

605
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 5: with constant criticism about how the floor was done. My

606
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,959
Speaker 5: mom came in and ripped it apart to do it

607
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 5: her way, causing us to waste good flooring.

608
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 4: Once we finished that.

609
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 5: We stayed there for two more months before my partner

610
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 5: and I decided we needed to get out of there. Finally,

611
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 5: the third blow the plumbing was done improperly and required

612
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 5: a twenty two K project to resolve it. Guess who

613
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 5: was responsible to pay for it? You were if you

614
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 5: guessed us, you and a fry.

615
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: Oh what did we win? Oh?

616
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 5: No?

617
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 2: Is it? The fecal matter in the fleas, Yes it is.

618
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 4: Is it the old piping out the fecal matter fleas.

619
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 2: Metal pipe soound dot MP four.

620
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 5: As this house is only legally ours by renting, not

621
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 5: even an ownership agreement, but just a rental agreement. We

622
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 5: were told if we wanted it fixed, we had to

623
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 5: fix it ourselves. By that point, I mean we weren't

624
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 5: going to take the risk, because what if we don't

625
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 5: get the house, We'd screw our credit over. It's too

626
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 5: risky of a game to play. The cherry on the

627
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 5: cake was my partner trying to find a good job

628
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 5: for months during my pregnancy.

629
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 4: I forgot she was pregnant. Crazy reminder, Oh.

630
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 2: God, you're in that house pregnant. Get out of town,

631
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 2: get out of here, literally leave.

632
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 4: He applied to over one hundred places and not a

633
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 4: single interview. He's been stuck in a construction job building

634
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 4: grain bins for only three hundred dollars a week, while

635
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 4: I was working full time pulling in only five hundred

636
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 4: dollars a week.

637
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 5: By April twenty eighth, I had to take my leave

638
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 5: due to severe sciatica and paint so I wasn't getting

639
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 5: any pain anymore. Then came baby time May twenty eighth,

640
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 5: I delivered my perfect son.

641
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 4: I was so happy.

642
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 5: It felt like all my troubles were gone in a

643
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 5: single moment, even though they were just beginning. We moved

644
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 5: in with my mom due to the sanitation of that home,

645
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 5: leaving my three cats at the other house so we

646
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 5: could still take care of them since they weren't allowed

647
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 5: at my mom's.

648
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 3: Okay, bro, you.

649
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 2: Had three cats in the Doodo fly flea house.

650
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 5: On day three postpartum, my sister calls me freaking out

651
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 5: about my cats, claiming I need to get rid of them.

652
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 5: Just some backstory. I have three wonderful cats. They're so

653
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 5: sweet and gentle. I'd asked her a month prior if

654
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 5: she could watch them for a week before my partner

655
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 5: is back to working and driving to the house.

656
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 4: She said she would, but was now.

657
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 5: Freaking out on me, causing my first panic attack while

658
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 5: heavily exhausted. This was my tipping point with our relationship.

659
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 5: The drama following her has made me realize that blood

660
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 5: isn't thick and that it's okay to simply let go

661
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 5: of a family member. After two months of staying at

662
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 5: my mom's relentlessly trying for jobs and getting nothing whilst

663
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 5: still paying rent and bills at.

664
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 4: The other place. We both had enough.

665
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 5: We decided to come down to Florida as a little

666
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 5: escape for two weeks to see his family. We're currently

667
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 5: at his mom's so they can meet the baby. While

668
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 5: we were here, my partner decided to try applying to

669
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 5: a job. The first one got a callback within a day.

670
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 4: It was his previous.

671
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 5: Job before he'd move to my home state, and he

672
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,479
Speaker 5: was offered his old position making a pretty good wage.

673
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 5: We decided maybe we should take that opportunity and move

674
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 5: with his family. For one, we wouldn't be paying rent

675
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 5: bills or groceries, although we will still help. And two,

676
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 5: we would finally get to bring our cats to live

677
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 5: with us. They would help us until we're back on

678
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 5: our feet and getting a place of our own. I

679
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 5: was ecstatic with this idea and believed this was the

680
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 5: answer to my prayers. I brought this up with my

681
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 5: family previously, and they were passed away, set on no

682
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 5: that it's too far and they want my baby to

683
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 5: grow up with his family in our home state. As

684
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 5: much as I wanted to do that, it was hard

685
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 5: since no job opportunities were coming to us and we

686
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 5: were suffering.

687
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 3: Well.

688
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 4: I made the decision yesterday. It was final.

689
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 5: I called my dad, sisters and mom to get their support.

690
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 5: While my dad is sad about it, he supports me,

691
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 5: my mom and sister is not so much. My sister

692
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 5: female twenty nine says, I'm taking her nephew away, but

693
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 5: I won't be happy there because I won't have them there,

694
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 5: that they know me better than anyone, and I'll just

695
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 5: be miserable. My other sister, our roommate, says again, I'll

696
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 5: be taking their nephew away, ruining the chance of him

697
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 5: knowing them, and completely screwing her over as she would

698
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 5: have to take responsibility of the house.

699
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 2: Oh booooo. They're just trying to make you think like

700
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 2: all of those are good things for you. They're not

701
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 2: get out of here with your kid.

702
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 4: They can cry about it if they want to.

703
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, they can come visit. Yeah literally, is that an

704
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 2: impossibility for them?

705
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 4: No, sounds like an answer.

706
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 5: She tree he did me horribly and was late on everything,

707
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 5: so I honestly couldn't care less. My mom, worst of all,

708
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 5: is saying that I'm just drawing the family, that my

709
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 5: partner planned this, that he's ripping us away from her.

710
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 5: They all told me that they hate my partner for this,

711
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 5: and then told me that I should respect their feelings,

712
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 5: as if mine ever actually mattered to them. I said,

713
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 5: I understand their feelings and know they're upset, but this

714
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 5: is a good opportunity for us. I explained the benefits,

715
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 5: and I said I would be able to visit whenever

716
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 5: and that he will get to know them.

717
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 4: They don't believe me.

718
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 5: They are saying we have opportunities there, but we don't.

719
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 5: We've both applied to good jobs but got nothing for

720
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 5: months now. My phone was blowing.

721
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 4: Up all night.

722
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 5: It's six am right now, and we're meant to be

723
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 5: driving back from our vacation today. We weren't expecting to

724
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:52,439
Speaker 5: move right now.

725
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 3: I'd plan on.

726
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 5: I'd planned on sticking around in my home state, taking

727
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 5: my baby to his appointments, and switching his insurance out.

728
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 5: Now I don't even know if I want to stay

729
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 5: as long as I said I was going to. I

730
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 5: have absolutely no family support, and everyone is messaging me

731
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 5: saying I'm making a horrible decision for my son and

732
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 5: that I'm not looking out for anyone's best interests.

733
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 4: So am I the a hole here.

734
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,919
Speaker 5: Should I stay or should I move and pursue this opportunity.

735
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 5: We have some more backstory. I wrote this at like

736
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 5: four or five am, half asleep and just going through

737
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 5: my emotions. My grandma passed away from June of twenty

738
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 5: twenty four. That's how my mom got the house. It's

739
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 5: technically still in a contract with the owner that my

740
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 5: grandma bought it from. It's a huge mess being dealt

741
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 5: with in court, which is why I was also worried

742
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 5: about not being able to actually buy it and pouring

743
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 5: more money into it. Also not a bot, not a

744
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 5: creative writer or AI, though if I was, maybe I'd actually.

745
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 4: Get a job.

746
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 3: Loel.

747
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 5: I was always walked over by my family. I mean

748
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 5: literally what they said went. I just stuck like a

749
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 5: lost puppy and followed along. But they are also my

750
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 5: family and I love them. This move is obviously going

751
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 5: to take a huge toll, since we've all always been

752
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 5: so close. But why is it so wrong of me

753
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 5: to want to, I don't know, spread my wings and fly.

754
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 5: Sounds corny, but I just don't understand. We have an update.

755
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, since this morning.

756
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 5: I applied to jobs last night and already got an

757
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 5: interview this morning for a high paying job at eleven thirty.

758
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 5: Wish me luck, that's the end day. That's crazy that

759
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 5: they like went on vacation in Florida. Both applied to

760
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 5: a job and they were like, yeah, you want to interview.

761
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 2: Crazy, it's crazy. I think it's a sign, and I

762
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 2: think it's a sign to get out of there. Yeah,

763
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 2: if that's what happened, it's a sign, don't listen to

764
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 2: get out. I took in my orphaned friend, but she

765
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 2: ended up ghosting me. At the time, I twenty five female,

766
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: had a friend from high school twenty three female, who

767
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 2: had neither parent in her life. She had moved away

768
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 2: from my hometown for her senior year of high school,

769
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 2: and I had always been the one to travel to

770
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 2: visit her for graduation, vacations and just to spend time

771
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:08,959
Speaker 2: with her since I was the one who had a car.

772
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 2: My life has always been hectic and I don't have

773
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 2: a ton of money, but I always make the effort

774
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 2: to stay in touch with my good friends. By the way,

775
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Speaker 2: this comes from user Methuselah eighty seven and if you

776
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Speaker 2: want to submit your own stories, go to the r

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Speaker 2: slash Okay Storytime subreddit I'm Dakota.

778
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 4: I'm Carly, and I'm Keon, and Op.

779
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 2: Says her mother moved her all over the place because

780
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 2: she could never hold down a job. She was also

781
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 2: an emotionally manipulative and harmful parent who controlled her daughter

782
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 2: with fear. She leapt from man to man, trying to

783
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 2: find someone to support her financially, never actually getting to

784
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 2: know her daughter or care about her needs, only caring

785
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,919
Speaker 2: for her and keeping her modestly happy because she thought

786
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 2: it was her job, which it is. My friend's biological

787
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 2: father abandoned them immediately, so she never really knew him,

788
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 2: and her mother only dated for money. After briefly remarrying

789
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 2: and then divorcing my friend's stepfather, the mother moved the

790
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 2: two of them to a house in the middle of

791
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 2: nowhere and began to date a richer, older man. My

792
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 2: friend would visit her stepfather because they had a good relationship,

793
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 2: but ultimately found out that he was crap talking her

794
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 2: to her mother and it ended their relationship. That is

795
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 2: the weirdest thing I've ever read. After that, my friend

796
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 2: lived alone with her mother and dated some ahole who

797
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 2: was just using her for the spicest leap. After she

798
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 2: finally broke up with him, she asked me point blank

799
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 2: if she could run away from her mother and live

800
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 2: with me. I was a junior in college at the time,

801
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 2: living away from home, so I begged my parents and

802
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: older sister to agree. They're not the greatest people on earth,

803
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 2: but they're deeply caring and they knew her well, so

804
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 2: eventually they agreed. I separated out my things to make

805
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 2: space for her, went out to where she was living

806
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 2: as a visit, and we packed up her car and left.

807
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,399
Speaker 2: Her mother had put the car title in her name

808
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 2: as a show of trust after a lifetime of distrust

809
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 2: of her daughter, likely for harmful reasons, so nothing was stolen,

810
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 2: but of course we didn't tell her mother and we

811
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 2: left while she was out with her boyfriend. My friend

812
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 2: moved into my room with me and spent about a

813
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 2: year working locally and trying to date around while I

814
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 2: was home for the summer with her or at college.

815
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 2: During the year. When I was there, she was happy,

816
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 2: but when I wasn't there, she rarely called or texted

817
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 2: me and spent all of her time with boys. I

818
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 2: asked her a couple times why she didn't call, and

819
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,919
Speaker 2: She said that I was ignoring her and not making

820
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: any effort, which wasn't true. I cared about her deeply

821
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 2: and always tried to keep in touch. Eventually I had

822
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 2: to give up trying to fix things with her, though,

823
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 2: because she wasn't trying at all and I lived a

824
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 2: few hours away and was busy with school. Yeah, I

825
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 2: think you should just like reiterate if she would do that,

826
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 2: just be like, yeah, so I literally like moved you

827
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 2: out of your house into my own home with my family.

828
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 2: So stop telling me I don't care about you, right,

829
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 2: because that's crazy.

830
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 4: Talk to me when I'm at school still.

831
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I would be like, straight up, I'm not

832
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 2: hearing that. Don't even say it to me because it's

833
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 2: gonna I'm not hearing it. I tend to befriend people

834
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 2: with problems, but never really thought about them that way,

835
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 2: as I'm a kind and compassionate person who doesn't mind

836
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 2: going the extra mile. I wanted her to have this

837
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 2: stable family life I got to grow up in. My

838
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 2: parents are conservatives and we are not, my sister included,

839
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 2: but they were excellent with personal responsibility and the self disciplined.

840
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 2: A person needs to become an adult plus, they liked

841
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 2: her and she liked them. My friend's mother would call

842
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 2: her and text her angrily about the move and accused

843
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 2: her of being a sappig because she decided to move

844
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 2: in with me. We both thought that was stupid and

845
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 2: laughed about it. When it came time for my junior

846
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,720
Speaker 2: year of college to end, I was given the huge

847
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 2: opportunity to study one of my language majors overseas. It

848
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 2: was in a country my parents knew nothing about, and

849
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,439
Speaker 2: my family was not very supportive, but I knew I'd

850
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 2: never be able to afford to travel unless I did

851
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 2: it through school, so I accept it. I would leave

852
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 2: in August, and it was May. That summer. I broke

853
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 2: up with some guy I was dating, and it was

854
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 2: very difficult for me, so I had her support and

855
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 2: the support of my friends from college to get through it.

856
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 2: I needed to work before I left to raise some

857
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: money for the trip, so I took a job by

858
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 2: the school and lived rent free with a friend for

859
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 2: a while. I made very little money and I was

860
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 2: very depressed at the time, so my friend thought that

861
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 2: she would come and keep me company by visiting. Well,

862
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 2: she got wasted and started hitting on me.

863
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 4: It was not where I thought that was going.

864
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 2: Oh, I am not into girls. She knew that, so

865
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 2: I was really annoyed and I tried to put her

866
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 2: to bed like a child. But my girlfriend that I

867
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,919
Speaker 2: was living with was like, sure, I'll have spicy sleep

868
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 2: with you.

869
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 4: She said, Opie, you might not be interested.

870
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 2: But I I lost it. Not only was this in

871
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 2: a small trailer and I would have to hear the

872
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 2: whole thing, but my waisted friend it apparently brought a

873
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 2: bunch of spicy sleep toys in the back of her car,

874
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 2: so she brought one out to make fun of me

875
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 2: with it.

876
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 3: I use it with your roommate.

877
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. You don't want to use this,

878
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 2: hu huh. I scolded her and the friend that I

879
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 2: was living with for being like that, and said, do

880
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 2: whatever you want, and then I just went to bed

881
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 2: in the other room. They were both adults at the time,

882
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 2: so I figured that they could do whatever they wanted.

883
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 2: But honestly, it annoyed me to be not only in

884
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 2: the middle of it, but to be hit on like that.

885
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 2: My girlfriend was a big bye and obviously I didn't care,

886
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 2: but I felt it was disrespectful to try and have

887
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 2: spicy sleep with a stranger. She just met with me

888
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 2: in the home.

889
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 6: What is it big buy?

890
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 2: I don't know.

891
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 4: I'm big into both.

892
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 2: So after that, things were never the same between me

893
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 2: and my friend. I moved back home briefly before I

894
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 2: moved overseas, and my friend ignored me and was always

895
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 2: out with her current boyfriend. She tried to act nonchalant

896
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 2: when I was around, but I could tell that she

897
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 2: had already checked out of our relationship completely. She waited

898
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 2: until I was gone, and then my family told me

899
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 2: that she moved in with her boyfriend and stopped contacting

900
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 2: them altogether. She left all her things, almost never visited

901
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 2: or texted or called them or me, and even though

902
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 2: she had a key, never came by to pick her

903
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 2: things up. Dude, they'd be on the curb if it

904
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 2: was me, Honestly, bring you into my home. You don't

905
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 2: even have the decency or the respect to like talk

906
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 2: to me or say goodbye or say thank you. You

907
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 2: leave all your crap here like I'm a storage container.

908
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 2: It's all on the sidewalk. I was concerned that maybe

909
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 2: she was being held somewhere against her will, so I

910
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 2: went out of my way to contact her to make

911
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 2: sure she was okay. Her a whole boyfriend was the

912
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 2: only one I could get in touch with, and he

913
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 2: said she's fine as far as I know, and was

914
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 2: super vague about letting me speak to her, which is

915
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 2: a stupid move. When someone lives in your house with you,

916
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,399
Speaker 2: How could you not know? And why can't I talk

917
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 2: to her? Turns out that she had changed her online

918
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 2: name to hide from her mother and had blocked me

919
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 2: from her account. I made a new account as a

920
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 2: throwaway to ask her why and what she was doing

921
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 2: and if she was okay, and she didn't respond to me.

922
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 2: I left it there for a while. I was worried,

923
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 2: but I was also angry at her and didn't know

924
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,919
Speaker 2: what I could do from overseas. When I finally came home,

925
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 2: my family let me know that it had been months

926
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 2: since my friend contacted them, meaning that she'd missed every

927
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 2: holiday and birthday since she'd moved out, and had only

928
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 2: vaguely texted I hope you're all doing okay, but otherwise

929
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 2: gone radio silent. She still lived in town, so I

930
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 2: thought this was insane. Who abandons their stuff and their

931
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 2: foster family without a word of explanation. She had been

932
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 2: living rent free, fully provided for it with my family,

933
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 2: and never paid for anything, which made me even angrier,

934
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 2: how ungrateful for her to just up and vanish without

935
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 2: even saying goodbye. She finally got back in touch with

936
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 2: me when she noticed that I was home and agreed

937
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 2: to meet, but she brought her wealthy a whole boyfriend

938
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 2: with her when I specifically asked if we could talk

939
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 2: alone to discuss what had happened, and she refused to

940
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 2: say anything specific in front of him and acted flippant

941
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 2: and dismissive of our concerns. All she would talk about

942
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 2: was how much weight she had lost with him as

943
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 2: her personal trainer, and she was wearing a crop top

944
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 2: to show off her smaller waist. I express my concerns

945
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 2: and she just brushed me off.

946
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 5: Ahh yeah, I mean I think we knew that she

947
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 5: wasn't going to reach out to anyone when she moved out.

948
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 4: That's kind of her.

949
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 2: Moo. You unknowingly created a monster because you helped her

950
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 2: ghost her mom.

951
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 4: Maybe she actually just is a ghost. Maybe I called it, guys.

952
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 2: She's actually her name's Casper.

953
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 4: And she's a ghost, not very fresh.

954
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 2: Not friendly, which is crazy.

955
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 4: And she's big bye, big bye. She said big bye,

956
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:27,720
Speaker 4: bye bye bye.

957
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 2: They left eventually after us learning nothing and basically stopped

958
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 2: talking to everyone, me included, and I tried several more

959
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 2: times to talk to her before I lost it. I

960
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 2: texted her and said that if she was going to

961
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 2: act like we were nothing to her and that we

962
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 2: didn't matter at all in her life, that she was

963
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 2: never to contact me or my family again because she

964
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 2: was banished from the family. I wasn't about to let

965
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 2: her string us along for whatever dumb butt ride she

966
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 2: was trying to take us on. I threw a crap

967
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,760
Speaker 2: in a box and said come get it, or it's trash.

968
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 2: She did eventually pick it up, and we never spoke again. Honestly,

969
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 2: I have nothing to add because you've cut off your

970
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 2: friends exactly the way I would have done it.

971
00:44:58,200 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 4: Is you did the right thing.

972
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 2: At this point that crap in a box, say get

973
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 2: it or it's trash, and she crawled over like the

974
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 2: little Cretan she is behaving like. For context, during the

975
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 2: time I was gone overseas, she picked up smoking, slept

976
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 2: with a married man, refused to get car insurance, and

977
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 2: overall just neglected all of her relationships except the ones

978
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 2: with men.

979
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 3: Oh okay, So I have to assume.

980
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 2: That she may have in some way been in love

981
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 2: with me or otherwise wanted me to give up my

982
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:26,919
Speaker 2: future to spend my life with her. I'm not sure

983
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 2: why or if she ever planned on communicating her needs

984
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 2: to me, but I fully had no idea and would

985
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 2: never have given that impression if I knew how she felt.

986
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 2: It's been a long time, and although I'm well traveled

987
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 2: and graduated college, I live with my family again since

988
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 2: I had some financial difficulties and dating is difficult for

989
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 2: me after having been mistreated so many times. I try

990
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 2: not to dwell on this fallout with my friends since

991
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 2: I couldn't make things work out with her, but I

992
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 2: always had this terrible lingering guilt for giving up on

993
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 2: someone who was essentially in orphan. I worry about her

994
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 2: to this day and hope that she didn't hop from

995
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 2: one harmful relationship to another thanks to her upbringing. I

996
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 2: know I can't control her, and I never intended to.

997
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 2: I was just concerned for her well being and don't

998
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 2: know if anything I could have done would have saved

999
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 2: the situation.

1000
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,760
Speaker 5: My friend's wife is scamming our friend group, and I want.

1001
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 4: To expose her get right at heart.

1002
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 5: I know the title sounds wild, but I really need

1003
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 5: some advice here. Not using my real account for this one.

1004
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 5: My best friend Dave thirty five male, is married to

1005
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 5: Beth thirty nine female. They've been together for roughly ten

1006
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 5: years and married for five ish. In twenty twenty three,

1007
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 5: Beth and Dave purchased a home out in the country

1008
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 5: and started their mini farm dream. This turned into a

1009
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 5: nonprofit for Beth as she wanted to bring in larger

1010
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:39,720
Speaker 5: animals that needed new homes.

1011
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 3: Stop, that's so cute.

1012
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 5: It's pretty common where we live to retire farm animals

1013
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 5: to smaller farms, so we thought, Okay, cool, she's onto

1014
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 5: something here. I'm not entirely sure how much money they

1015
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 5: raised for the startup, but I was under the impression

1016
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 5: that donations were pretty sparse over the first year.

1017
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 4: By the way, this comes from Peter Potter Bean. Do

1018
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 4: you want to submit your own stories?

1019
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 5: Go to the r slage Okay Storytime sub reddit, and

1020
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 5: Opie says Beth has always worked in the service industry

1021
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 5: and late night bars around town. The lack of constant

1022
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 5: donations was a surprise to Beth because she thought she

1023
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 5: had networked better throughout the year to have more financial support.

1024
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 5: I remember thinking, you gave these people drinks for tips,

1025
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 5: and that's all they've ever really owed you.

1026
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 4: But sure, I'm sorry that sucked.

1027
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 5: No real consistent updates ever came from the nonprofit efforts,

1028
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 5: and it felt pretty uncomfortable to ask. Around July twenty

1029
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 5: twenty four, Beth alerted our friend group that she had

1030
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 5: been going through some health issues and was looking for

1031
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 5: extra support. She claimed they were having trouble finding answers

1032
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 5: from doctors, maybe an intense case of meningitis. This evolved

1033
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 5: into an autoimmune diagnosis, and she's now been without work

1034
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 5: for a few months. She started reaching out for financial

1035
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 5: support and looking for any sort of side gig she

1036
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 5: could get. Then August twenty twenty four, she claims she

1037
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 5: had a stroke. Dave claims he was there during the

1038
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 5: time of her stroke, but has been one hundred percent

1039
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 5: on her side because, of course, your wife just told

1040
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 5: you she had a stroke after other health issues. They

1041
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 5: both seem very uneducated about the medical system on this

1042
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 5: level of situation. I've tried to ask more questions about

1043
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 5: how this went down in full detail, but he keeps avoiding,

1044
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 5: probably embarrassed that he doesn't have the answers because he

1045
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 5: wasn't there for her during this traumatic time. September twenty

1046
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 5: twenty four, Dave and Beth posts that their having a

1047
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 5: benefit dinner to help offset some of beth doctor expenses,

1048
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 5: which also contains a gofund me. I was unable to

1049
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 5: make the dinner, but my partner and I still donated.

1050
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 5: I ended up hearing that not a lot of folks

1051
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 5: showed up, but didn't think much of it at the time. Also,

1052
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 5: during this time, she was randomly sending texts here and

1053
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 5: there to friends within the friend.

1054
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 4: Group that raised a few red flag.

1055
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 5: Texts like can you send me twenty dollars to get

1056
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 5: gas to get home? And can you send me fifty

1057
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 5: dollars to get my flat fixed? And multiple other versions

1058
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 5: of this at all hours of the night. These texts

1059
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 5: went on from July twenty twenty four through April twenty

1060
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,720
Speaker 5: twenty five and are maybe still happening.

1061
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 3: I would reach out to the husband and be like, Hey,

1062
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 3: what's going on.

1063
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 4: You guys actually need this.

1064
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, She's been like reaching out texting me at like

1065
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 3: two in the morning, for like ten bucks because she

1066
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 3: wants to buy like Celsius. What's going on?

1067
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 5: I'm the sober friend in the group, so I feel

1068
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 5: like most of our friends kept this from me naturally

1069
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,760
Speaker 5: or wanted to make sure it was real before bringing

1070
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 5: it to someone that wouldn't be able to sit on it.

1071
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 5: So I'm just now finding out all of this late

1072
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 5: night text information. I feel this intense pressure that I

1073
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 5: needed to tell my friends sooner than later what the

1074
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 5: f is happening or what is circling our friend group.

1075
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 4: But I'm not sure I have solid proof.

1076
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 3: I don't even know what you have proof of. I

1077
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 3: still don't know what's going.

1078
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 4: Do you want this lady's medical records?

1079
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 3: I don't. I'm just confused what you think is happening.

1080
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,240
Speaker 5: Basically, most of our friends think she's using and lying

1081
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 5: about her diagnosis, using the money for hard substances.

1082
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 3: Okay, well if you think that, reach out to her

1083
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 3: husband and say hey, we think that she has a

1084
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 3: substance abuse problem, and also stop sending her money. I

1085
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 3: guess pretty straightforward solutions how.

1086
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 4: We got here.

1087
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 5: Around a month ago, Dave made an unusual Instagram story

1088
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 5: that said, does anyone know anyone that goes by the

1089
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 5: name Bear. I texted him two days later and asked

1090
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 5: if everything was okay, and he gave me some weird

1091
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 5: story about how Beth borrowed money from this guy and

1092
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,280
Speaker 5: the guy was pestering her, but he was arrested now,

1093
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 5: so everything was gonna be okay. I think this is

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00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 5: where Dave put his foot down and forced her to

1095
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 5: go back to the doctor, because he's under the impression

1096
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 5: that this is behavioral changes from the stroke.

1097
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 3: I wouldn't yeah, honestly, I wouldn't be surprised.

1098
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 5: She agreed to go, but her only catch was that

1099
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 5: she wanted to go alone.

1100
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, no, there's an easy answer.

1101
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 3: You know. You don't get to make there's no there's

1102
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 3: no bartering here.

1103
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 5: This conclusion really came to fruition this week when Bee

1104
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 5: released a new updated evaluation summary from her most recent

1105
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 5: doctor visit. The document looked like it was created on

1106
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 5: Canva in a few minutes. No logo from the hospital,

1107
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 5: no doctor signature, no anything really other than a text

1108
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 5: on a white page.

1109
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 4: So we called the hospital to see if they would

1110
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 4: just tell us if she was in the building on

1111
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 4: that date.

1112
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 3: Now I feel like Bear is like a dealer.

1113
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 5: Well, the admin ended up revealing that she couldn't find

1114
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 5: any record of Beth in their system at all. I

1115
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:30,879
Speaker 5: can't see where Beth has ever been a patient at

1116
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 5: this hospital. Isn't that wildly breaking?

1117
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 4: Hip Ba, This is exactly what she said.

1118
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 5: Since talking about this, amongst the four of us involved

1119
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 5: in this investigation, I've learned that she's been fired from

1120
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 5: two jobs in the last year for being in the

1121
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 5: bathroom and unable to be found during her shifts. So

1122
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 5: now we're in a pickle on how to bring this

1123
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 5: up to Dave.

1124
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 4: Insight on Dave.

1125
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 5: Dave is pretty traditional in his ways of moving through life.

1126
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 4: He was a chef at a famous.

1127
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 5: Restaurant in our downtown area and ended up changing his

1128
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 5: job to a nine to five in order for her

1129
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 5: to have insurance for these doctor bills. He works from

1130
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,439
Speaker 5: nine to five, then comes home and does the farm work,

1131
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 5: then likes to go fishing on most weekends. So they've

1132
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 5: been in a routine where each other exists under the

1133
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 5: same roof, and they have a roof and one of

1134
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 5: them is employed.

1135
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 4: Therefore most of the bills are being paid.

1136
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 5: You know that straight couple lull that happens to some

1137
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 5: folks where they accidentally settle in their roles too much. Anyway,

1138
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 5: I could totally see how this could be happening late

1139
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,439
Speaker 5: at night when he's asleep behind his back because he's

1140
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,800
Speaker 5: constantly busy taking care of things around their lives. I

1141
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 5: don't have any intel about their financial routines or how

1142
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 5: they monitor each other's money at this time. I should

1143
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,399
Speaker 5: also say that there's a one hundred percent chance Beth

1144
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 5: will threaten self harm when Dave comes to her with

1145
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 5: this information, and I feel like that adds another layer

1146
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 5: of how I should bring this up to him.

1147
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 4: He's as sensitive loyal as f Scorpio, so this could

1148
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 4: go either way.

1149
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:58,879
Speaker 3: What does this mean?

1150
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 4: What do I do?

1151
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 3: I don't know. Stop speaking in riddles?

1152
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 5: How do I tell him this information without solid proof

1153
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 5: that she is using? Does that even matter?

1154
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 3: Dude? Don't go to him and say I think your

1155
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 3: wife is using. Go to him and say, hey, we've

1156
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,280
Speaker 3: been getting a lot of strange texts in the middle

1157
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 3: of the night asking for money, and it doesn't seem

1158
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 3: like your wife goes to this hospital.

1159
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 4: We're really concerned. We're a little bit.

1160
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 3: Concerned about your wife.

1161
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 2: Do you have noticed anything. Yeah, do you know a bear?

1162
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:28,399
Speaker 3: Do you know a bear?

1163
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 4: Have you checked in on your wife at all lately?

1164
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 5: Some comment comment one, He's not going to believe you

1165
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 5: because the admin broke the law by even giving out information.

1166
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 5: I actually doubt this entire post because you added that

1167
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 5: in nobody with a brain would ever give out this

1168
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 5: info over the phone. Someone replies, in a rural area,

1169
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 5: trust me, this could one hundred percent happen. I've seen

1170
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 5: some wild nonsense from some of these smaller hospitals.

1171
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 4: Opie says.

1172
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 5: My partner called the doctor's office and just stated basically

1173
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 5: that we were concerned friends with an odd situation of

1174
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 5: potential fraud, just trying to verify some information about our

1175
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 5: friends whereabouts. The admin asked for her name and date

1176
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 5: of birth. We provided, and she said back she was

1177
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 5: unable to provide any information regarding the patient.

1178
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 3: Okay, well that actually makes a little bit more sense,

1179
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 3: because that's just them being like, we can't.

1180
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 4: Tell I will say, however, though, Opie gave a direct quote. Yeah,

1181
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,359
Speaker 4: that said something very different from that.

1182
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 3: Well, that's what I was confusing, because earlier she.

1183
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 4: Said that's a direct quote from her.

1184
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, she said, oh, they said that she never had

1185
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 3: been to the hospital when here, and now she's saying,

1186
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 3: we don't have anything, we can't tell you anything about her.

1187
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,760
Speaker 4: This is wildly She's just very different.

1188
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 5: My partner stated they weren't asking them to break patient

1189
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 5: confidentiality awareness of hippolaws, and that we were just seeking

1190
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 5: a confirmation that she was there in this office on

1191
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 5: the date of the medical form she sent out, and

1192
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 5: the woman quickly stated, I can't see where this person

1193
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 5: has ever been a patient at this hospital, to which

1194
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 5: we said, thank you, that's all we needed to be honest,

1195
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,800
Speaker 5: we were surprised to get this response too, comment too. Ultimately,

1196
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,280
Speaker 5: Dave deserves to know the truth about his wife. Maybe

1197
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 5: present it in person at a coffee shop or something,

1198
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,240
Speaker 5: try to help him figure out how to react.

1199
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,720
Speaker 4: It's sad she's doing this. We don't know that she's

1200
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 4: doing anything.

1201
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 3: I don't know. I really, I'm just really concerned for

1202
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 3: this woman. Yeah, we know. Okay, so now we know

1203
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,280
Speaker 3: that she's never she never went to the hospital.

1204
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:17,720
Speaker 4: Maybe they got the wrong hospital.

1205
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think the thing is, I think there are

1206
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 3: so many different ways that this could go.

1207
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 5: And there's so many variables that so could just be mistaken,

1208
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 5: and you could be so.

1209
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 3: So off base, But I think regardless, you just need

1210
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,280
Speaker 3: to express concern and that's it.

1211
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 5: It's sad she's doing this, but yeah, i'd want that

1212
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 5: info off my shoulders. The other way to look at

1213
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 5: it is it's none of your business, but I personally

1214
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 5: always want to know the truth. Comment three. You could

1215
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 5: try curiosity. Try hey, man, with how much money Beth

1216
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 5: is needed from friends? The medical bills to insurance must

1217
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 5: be outrageous. Or hey, when you submit medical bills to

1218
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 5: insurance for Beth, is all of it covered? How much

1219
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 5: have you guys had to pay out of pocket? It

1220
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 5: must be a huge amount.

1221
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:00,600
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1230
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Speaker 3: She was about three months pregnant at this time. She

1235
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Speaker 3: was having issues figuring out who her baby daddy was,

1236
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1243
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Speaker 3: I was in college and had a part time job

1244
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 3: while also helping her prepare for her baby. So a

1245
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 3: few months passed and she was then six months pregnant.

1246
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,720
Speaker 3: She had been dating and seeing other guys from online

1247
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 3: dating apps all throughout her pregnancy. Me being a supportive friend,

1248
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:12,240
Speaker 3: I never judged because I knew her and her baby's

1249
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 3: father relationship wasn't working out, so why not look for

1250
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 3: a new man? I thought she didn't know who her

1251
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 3: baby thought.

1252
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 4: Wait did she help her salute it?

1253
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 3: And then they like, I guess, so I guess they

1254
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 3: figured it out. She eventually found a new boob, and

1255
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 3: of course I did a little background check on Facebook

1256
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 3: to make sure he was a decent guy, you know,

1257
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 3: like regular friends do. So fast forward to about the

1258
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 3: time she popped out. My godson Latersea and the guy

1259
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 3: let's call him Brad, had been talking and talking, but

1260
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 3: never been on a date or even seeing each other

1261
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 3: in person. So I gave her the idea of meeting

1262
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 3: up with Brad before having her baby, because what if

1263
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 3: he was at kidnapper you know. Laterse agreed and I

1264
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 3: came along with her. She got Brad on the phone

1265
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 3: and asked if she could see him. This is where

1266
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 3: it all went down. Brad first said he couldn't because

1267
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 3: he wasn't home. She tried to reschedule, and then he says,

1268
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 3: you can, and because his baby mama'll live with him

1269
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 3: and she wouldn't like two females coming over. Okay, pause

1270
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 3: right then and there. I asked if he had ever

1271
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 3: mentioned that before. She said no. I also knew I

1272
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 3: never saw a child or a baby mother on his Facebook.

1273
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 3: So she tried to reschedule again. This time he said sure.

1274
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 3: Brad gave her an address and she gave it to me.

1275
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 3: We pulled up over to the address and it was

1276
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 3: in the middle of an apartment complex. Latercea and I

1277
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 3: were confused. She tried to call Brad, no answer. I

1278
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 3: tried to call from my phone, no answer. At this point,

1279
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 3: I'm not comfortable, and I tell her let's go. She

1280
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 3: doesn't want to. Laterrece felt played and upset. I calmed

1281
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 3: her down. We got back in my car, and as

1282
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 3: soon as we did, Brad calls. He asked, true if

1283
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 3: she had on a green jacket. It spooked me, so

1284
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 3: I put my car in reverse because no way, Jose.

1285
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 3: We don't play like that around here. Eventually, after like

1286
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 3: five minutes of silence, he says he saw us from

1287
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 3: his window, but he was nervous, too nervous to come

1288
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 3: out right then and there I knew he was a fake.

1289
00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 5: Catfish, Bagel catfish.

1290
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 3: There's no way out of all this time. He hasn't

1291
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 3: shown his face to Latrese, not even once on a

1292
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 3: FaceTime call or anything. So I told Latrice, this guy

1293
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 3: is a catfish. She didn't believe me, but we left anyway.

1294
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 3: Now fast forward two weeks, she has had my godson

1295
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 3: and has made it back home. The trees and Brad

1296
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 3: are still communicating. She's sending him pictures of her son,

1297
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 3: and he's telling her he can't wait to meet him.

1298
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 3: By this point, I had already begun my research on

1299
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,959
Speaker 3: this guy. I knew his name, address and everything. OP

1300
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 3: is freaking FBI agent. I spilled all the means to

1301
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 3: La Trees the moment she got off the phone with him.

1302
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 3: She tried to deny, deny, deny, but I was persistent.

1303
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 3: She eventually agreed with me and told him she wanted

1304
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 3: to FaceTime. He said he couldn't because she's yeah.

1305
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 5: I just I.

1306
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 3: Was like, how are you texting me? He's like, from

1307
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 3: my iPad? No, yeah, I said, iPod touch. I can't.

1308
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 3: I justdn't have face time. It was excuse after excuse.

1309
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 3: I kept telling her to just block out, and eventually

1310
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 3: she did after some convincing. So now to the nitty gritty.

1311
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 3: She says she felt plaid after wasting all her time

1312
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 3: on a catfish. So I told Latrice applied for catfish

1313
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 3: as a joke. This girl really went and applied.

1314
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

1315
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 3: They accepted. Now at this point, in my mind, I'm

1316
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 3: thinking Brad is blocked and she hasn't spoken to him

1317
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 3: in weeks, but boy was I wrong. She ends up

1318
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 3: being on the show, but chimes me in as her savior.

1319
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 3: They welcomed me in all nice like. We told him

1320
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 3: what happened to her, and now I found out he

1321
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 3: was a catfish and all of that samow along the way,

1322
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 3: the story got switched to me being the bad guy.

1323
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 5: Huh.

1324
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 3: I was furious after everything we've been through. She lied

1325
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 3: to me and tricked me. The guys from the show

1326
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 3: told us we were going to meet the catfish guy,

1327
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 3: but then they only took Latrice, which struck me as odd,

1328
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 3: but I paid no mind because I'm her friend. I

1329
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 3: wanted her to get closure with or without me. They

1330
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 3: called me to meet up and tell me that Brad

1331
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 3: says I sent him pictures of my private areas and

1332
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 3: was telling him I wanted him, which couldn't possibly be

1333
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 3: true at this point. Laterrece was crying, asking why would

1334
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 3: I do this? And I'm just confused because I didn't

1335
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 3: do anything wrong. The show stars try to paint me

1336
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 3: out as the bad guy when I literally never saw

1337
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 3: the guy's face or anything. I apologize to Latrese, but

1338
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 3: not for doing her wrong, just because I knew she

1339
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 3: was hurting. She was still my friend at this point.

1340
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 3: I didn't know how bad she may have felt, but

1341
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 3: I tried to tell her Brad was lying. They spun

1342
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 3: it out as if I was trying to apologize for wrongdoing.

1343
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 3: I hate that show with every fiber of my being.

1344
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:33,959
Speaker 3: Kelsey J. Says, I watched this episode the other day.

1345
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 2: Crazy.

1346
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 3: They have millions of people thinking I'm some sort of evil,

1347
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 3: backstabbing person, and I never have been and never will be.

1348
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 3: After the show was aired, I got so much backlash, cyberbullying,

1349
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 3: and pestrument. I've never experienced something so horrible. People that

1350
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 3: don't even know me are thinking of me as a

1351
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 3: bad friend in person, when in reality I never betrayed

1352
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 3: her in the first place. But now years later, I

1353
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 3: want my get back. She deserves to be punished for

1354
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 3: publicly insulting and shaming me. She went out of her

1355
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 3: way to go to YouTube, Twitter, and Instagram let the

1356
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 3: world know how bad of a friend I was. I

1357
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 3: tried to clap back, but the Internet is such a

1358
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 3: hateful place it almost led me to do some bad things.

1359
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 3: Lites got paid for my embarrassment, and so did Brad.

1360
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 3: Did they like catfish? You did they catfish?

1361
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 5: You?

1362
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 3: What?

1363
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 5: I need to know more because also, like that seems

1364
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 5: beyond wild for producers to do.

1365
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so so crazy, Like.

1366
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 5: That does seem like a defamation lawsuit in some way.

1367
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 4: Absolutely, you could sign something maybe knowing.

1368
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 3: See if you can sue man. Yeah, because that's like

1369
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 3: how I just don't understand how they would flip something

1370
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 3: that's supposed to be about finding a catfish so far

1371
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 3: on its head, you know, right? Was he that they

1372
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 3: paid catfish? Yeah, that they pay the catfish. I don't understand, Like,

1373
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 3: why would they pay the catfish? Did they find him?

1374
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 3: I don't understand. One of her old friends that she

1375
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 3: vented to after the show was aired told me that

1376
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 3: they planned it together, Latresea and Brad plotted to make

1377
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 3: me the bad guys so they could get a quick check.

1378
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 4: And the producers didn't realize that. And like, I guess

1379
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 4: they want good TV.

1380
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 3: I just want to know. Am I the ale for

1381
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 3: wanting her to suffer how I've suffered these last few years.

1382
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 3: I will never be able to erase the trauma, but

1383
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 3: I just want my truth told. I'm still being humiliated

1384
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 3: by people who don't know me. People from my hometowns,

1385
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 3: strangers in public and on the Internet. I want someone

1386
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 3: to tell me I have every right to still be angry.

1387
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 3: It seems like my reputation as a person has been

1388
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 3: shattered by someone I trusted. Comment one, Why didn't you

1389
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 3: sue them and the show for defamation and emotional damage

1390
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 3: back then? Opie says, I did try to speak out

1391
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 3: back then, but the show's management told me I couldn't

1392
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 3: because I signed a contract before recording. But I never

1393
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 3: knew they were going to backstab me in the middle

1394
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 3: of the show, Like I literally got blindsided by Brad

1395
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 3: trying to flip the script on me. I even tried

1396
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 3: talking to Latrese after the crew left her. She just

1397
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 3: shut me out and called law enforcement on me. Comment

1398
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 3: to says, I read your post and one of your

1399
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 3: applies to a comment you said that you signed a

1400
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 3: contract with the TV show, so you can't take legal

1401
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 3: action against them. Take that contract to a lawyer. Yeah,

1402
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 3: tell the lawyer that the TV show accepted Brad's lies

1403
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 3: about you messaging him and wanting him and aired it.

1404
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 3: Tell them about the online abuse you suffered afterwards. They

1405
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 3: will do this for a percentage of your compensation from

1406
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 3: the TV station rather than you having to pay them directly.

1407
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 3: Because the show can't actually win. They didn't do their

1408
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 3: due diligence and they screened lies about you to millions

1409
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 3: of yours. Any forensic analysis of your phone records will

1410
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 3: prove it, Opie says. Anyone that I've told this to

1411
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 3: you before has never told me I could still suit.

1412
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 3: They've all told me to let it go and let

1413
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:46,479
Speaker 3: it just pass away. Unfortunately, I don't have enough money

1414
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 3: for a good lawyer. I don't have a village that

1415
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 3: will ride behind me either. My own family didn't even

1416
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 3: help when the situation was still fresh. But thank you

1417
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 3: so much for your advice. Another Reji read.

1418
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 4: It really deeply.

1419
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 6: There.

1420
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 5: Do you see anything that you could maybe go off

1421
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 5: of And if there's something there, like.

1422
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 3: You said, they'll do it for a percentage of the compensation.

1423
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 3: You don't have to pay upfront. They earn what they

1424
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 3: get from getting you money. You can actually sue the show,

1425
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 3: Brad and Latrese. The show would be the hardest because

1426
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 3: it's been a while, but Latrese and Brad you could

1427
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:17,959
Speaker 3: both sue for defamation since you can prove you never

1428
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 3: sent them picks or messaged him, and you can prove

1429
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 3: she made it up with him, and since she has

1430
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 3: publicly aired a known falsehood, they have zero defense. And

1431
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 3: your lawyer will be able to get text records from

1432
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 3: all parties involved, so you will approved. He says, OMG,

1433
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 3: all this time, I haven't been told any of this.

1434
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 3: This is why I posted to get better in sight

1435
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 3: and help. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it, Dank.

1436
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 4: My next advice would be delete this post.

1437
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, dang man, it's crazy