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Speaker 1: books to your kids? Listen, sook, get this.
Speaker 2: I read a book to my daughter every single night
Speaker 2: before Ben and I fucking sligh And I know joking.
Speaker 2: This is not even I'm not even trying to be funny.
Speaker 2: I think in my head while I'm reading this book, Yo,
Speaker 2: will could just see me?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: God, dude, I literally think to myself, dude, if I
Speaker 2: could just do it like that?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Because my daughter's there, she's not even paying attention anyway,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Sometimes I fluctuate the voice.
Speaker 2: I do different sounds with different animals. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. It's a fucking journey. When you go to
Speaker 2: bed with me, not that way.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. When you put your children
Speaker 1: too bad, it's a production. We have fun journey.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's not a very long journey, and
Speaker 2: one of us definitely enjoys it. But I'm talking about
Speaker 2: my kids, and that's a fun deal too. That's a
Speaker 2: fun fun deal. I read that pretty decent. I thought,
Speaker 2: I said, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: He took his time, but his voice got he was
Speaker 1: starting to just look at it and read it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I think the issue is
Speaker 1: I care. I care so much about the brain when
Speaker 1: I'm saying. His voice got quieter, like he was like
Speaker 1: laser focused on trying to reading.
Speaker 2: It'll be like, oh dude, I think for me, like
Speaker 2: I get like when I look at the ads and
Speaker 2: I know that these brands who what I love? I
Speaker 2: love these brands, and I love the fact that they've
Speaker 2: taken their hard earned money and given it to us
Speaker 2: to help them reach more people. I get nervous. I'm like,
Speaker 2: what if I mess this up for them because I care?
Speaker 2: Maybe I care too much, you know, And I don't
Speaker 2: want that. I don't want to feel that way. But
Speaker 2: Chevy Silverado, They've put us in good hands. I feel
Speaker 2: like I got a nice little seat. Honestly, feel like
Speaker 2: this is how I feel my truck comfortable, you know.
Speaker 2: So maybe that moment for me was just a little
Speaker 2: more lazy boy, a little different, a little different. A
Speaker 2: couple of things are a little different. The way I
Speaker 2: viewed the Super Bowl this year was a little different.
Speaker 3: How'd you view it? Like the way with my eyes
Speaker 3: on the TV. But the way I felt is what
Speaker 3: I'm really getting at it. But yeah, I understand that,
Speaker 3: But what do you mean you felt different?
Speaker 1: Like it was salty? What made you so salty about
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Because in a weird I think we've talked about this
Speaker 2: in the podcast before, like in twenty nineteen or everyone
Speaker 2: were on the runs at AFC Championship, we did it,
Speaker 2: and we were like, yeah, we proved everybody wrong. We
Speaker 2: feel like we still still should have gone the Super Bowl
Speaker 2: and won it, but we just feel like we proved
Speaker 2: everybody wrong. And then this year being the number one
Speaker 2: seed in the AFC losing to the Bengals, No offense
Speaker 2: to the Bengals, Like that's not an insult when I say,
Speaker 2: like Bengals, we lost to the Bengals, and I was
Speaker 2: it just felt like everyone was doubting us anyway, and
Speaker 2: it's an opportunity for them to put a feather in
Speaker 2: their cap and say we told you so. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: know you feel like you underachieved individually, yes, but as
Speaker 2: a team, yeah, obviously when you have that kind of season,
Speaker 2: with that kind of adversity and then you get all
Speaker 2: your guys back at the end, yeah we did underachieve.
Speaker 1: Like that's easy to say.
Speaker 2: Every team who has a chance to win the Super Bowl,
Speaker 2: besides those like like the Lions, like halfway this season
Speaker 2: knew they were gonna win because they were gonna make
Speaker 2: the playoffs. But any team who makes the playoffs, you
Speaker 2: should view it as underachieving if you don't win it, right, Well,
Speaker 2: Ben Roethlisberger with.
Speaker 1: You got to be here anyway. Yeah, you also just
Speaker 1: said we made it all the way to the AFC Championship.
Speaker 1: You feel like you proves a lot of people wrong.
Speaker 1: So you didn't feel that you didn't feel like you
Speaker 1: underachieved that, right, You.
Speaker 2: View changes that. I get what you're saying there. The
Speaker 2: view changes a little bit because we've grow, like our
Speaker 2: our fan base is not only grown, but our coaching
Speaker 2: staff has become a whole lot better. Even when were
Speaker 2: abel first out there till now, the players we have
Speaker 2: have gotten better, Like legit and camp. We're all sitting
Speaker 2: there going like, Yo, we're gonna win this thing. And
Speaker 2: it's the first time people are saying that, and everyone's
Speaker 2: like believing each other, you know, because every year you're like,
Speaker 2: we're gonna win it all yeah, and then you kind
Speaker 2: of see how the season unfold you're like, oh, I
Speaker 2: don't know, good luck boys, know, but with all that stuff,
Speaker 2: you did feel like this year you did under achieved
Speaker 2: a little bit. So I guess what do you think
Speaker 2: of the Super Bowl? That was a good game. I
Speaker 2: think it was a solid game. I thought, uh, I
Speaker 2: thought that was p I on Uh your boy Ramsey
Speaker 2: DPI when he pulled Buddy's face mask first play the
Speaker 2: second half. Yeah, but if I favor League, if you're like,
Speaker 2: if you're a Rams fan, you say that, But also
Speaker 2: as a Bengals fan, you could say, you know, there's
Speaker 2: seven penalties on like the one yard line.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know Wilson, that linebacker, he made a good play.
Speaker 1: Like as a linebacker covering you didn't even really grab
Speaker 1: him like that. He has arm on and then stabbed
Speaker 1: and it was he didn't even y him. It was
Speaker 1: stabbed through the pocket. Yeah, that was a hell of
Speaker 1: a play. That was a good play. In the last
Speaker 1: play of the game, when Joey be if he would
Speaker 1: have had just a couple more seconds, charr was uh.
Speaker 1: But again in Jalen's defense, it's fourth and one. It's
Speaker 1: fourth and one, you're sitting, you're playing a little more aggressive.
Speaker 1: Probably din't think jamar I was just gonna run a
Speaker 1: go route on him on fourth and one. So he's
Speaker 1: sitting at the hip waiting for a breakof and he
Speaker 1: just takes off on him. That's tough. Damn Suther and
Speaker 1: a tut Do you think good? I mean if his
Speaker 1: eyes would have been down. Do you have a video
Speaker 1: of it at all? I likes everywhere was talking about
Speaker 1: that last play. Really yeah, speaking of that last play,
Speaker 1: Quentin Spain, my boy was the one that gave up
Speaker 1: that pressure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he seemed like he was playing well the
Speaker 2: whole game, right, everybody wants to condense you on one play,
Speaker 2: like that's tough, Aaron Donald the game?
Speaker 1: What's that biggest play the game? Fourth and one that
Speaker 1: biggest play the game? And they were Donald Savage Savage?
Speaker 1: But is he goaded? So everybody's been talking about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, But first second, like I just gotta
Speaker 2: have my boy cues back. For a second, I thought, ok,
Speaker 2: I thought he played well the whole game, and then
Speaker 2: that happened, Like that's the life of an offensive lineman.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like you have sixty five good snaps
Speaker 2: and then on the sixty snap he give up a
Speaker 2: sack or pressure.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you got to have his back
Speaker 1: because he was out there swinging the sword on Twitter?
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, if I sat there personally with Quinton, I'd
Speaker 2: be like, yo, you can't do that right, Like you
Speaker 2: gotta like you gotta win with grace and lose with grace.
Speaker 1: Like talking shit is fun, like is fun.
Speaker 2: Especially I don't like doing it on Twitter, like real
Speaker 2: talking shit because it's not like it's not as interactive
Speaker 2: as I want it to be. I want to catch
Speaker 2: somebody on their toes right now and then put them
Speaker 2: on their heels because then we can go back and
Speaker 2: forth and really chirp it out. But on Twitter, like
Speaker 2: you don't have respond to me for thirty minutes and
Speaker 2: then you think of.
Speaker 1: A good one and you're like, I'm get them with this.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying now. Jeffrey Simmons.
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Simmons, Hey, he body bagged my boys pain body
Speaker 2: back and that's just the reality.
Speaker 1: And I know he'd be pissed if he heard this,
Speaker 1: but buddy, oh he might body bag dude, he might
Speaker 1: come out. It was a nice little I don't know.
Speaker 2: Hey, after the game, Quinn was like, yo, U ninety
Speaker 2: eight his bitch ass and word this and word that.
Speaker 2: I'm well all this show. I'm like I looked at him.
Speaker 2: I kind of touch his belly. I go, I don't
Speaker 2: know if you're beating up Jeff Budd. I don't know
Speaker 2: if he's doing that.
Speaker 1: What you mean? What you mean?
Speaker 2: And like for me, it's all this is it's like, well,
Speaker 2: you're really gonna fight this man over what you just won?
Speaker 1: Like it's over. I enjoy it. I think two out there,
Speaker 1: like I know, oh, y'all wanted me to fail, Like
Speaker 1: I didn't give up nothing. It's like, bro, you just
Speaker 1: lost the super Bowl.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but as a as a player too, you
Speaker 2: got to have that like back against the woe mentality.
Speaker 2: But do that on your own like, do that on
Speaker 2: your own time. You know what I'm saying, Like, don't
Speaker 2: let Twitter win. That's letting Twitter win. You immediately wanted
Speaker 2: me to fail.
Speaker 1: There you go. You immediately went to Twitter and let
Speaker 1: everybody know they've had real estate in your head by
Speaker 1: saying like, I know y'all wanted me to fail, like
Speaker 1: he just lost the super Bowl, dude, Like like your
Speaker 1: wound's cry like cry like boy like other boys, you
Speaker 1: love them? What a season?
Speaker 2: They won four games last year? Right, four of them?
Speaker 2: Oh that's a tough look for your boy, Ramsey. But
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, dude, so Ramsey had. There was
Speaker 2: a few plays right, he had the one t Higgins
Speaker 2: first player the U the second half, Jamar got him
Speaker 2: a couple of times.
Speaker 1: Higgins got them a couple of times.
Speaker 2: Like not his best game he's ever played, but doesn't
Speaker 2: tarnish at all, Like he's the best corner in the league, doesn't.
Speaker 1: Bad an eye and eye gave up that big play.
Speaker 1: It was like in the first quarter, I believe. Then
Speaker 1: he comes back and gets that PBu literally like right
Speaker 1: after like they were trying to go yeah, and he
Speaker 1: just stands up just talking shit. I was talking about shit.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, when you mess something up. I
Speaker 1: was like I would probably like as a player, when
Speaker 1: you know you did something you mess up, you're probably
Speaker 1: all right, that's on me. That's on me. But if
Speaker 1: I break up at past the next play, like me personally,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, okay, get back, you're back on track. Now
Speaker 1: you're getting not like yo, this is my fucking house, dude.
Speaker 1: It's like taunting and everything else. I'm like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: love that confidence that you gotta have as a corner.
Speaker 2: They were talking like apparently Chris Collinsworth and the Boys
Speaker 2: were talking to the defensive staff other rams and we're like,
Speaker 2: we know who's getting touches where like relatively we know
Speaker 2: who's getting touches basically lined up.
Speaker 1: And that's where Jalen's gonna go.
Speaker 2: Like that's a lot on a dude's plate, right to
Speaker 2: just be like I'm that fucking dude on the lockdown whoever,
Speaker 2: and he does, Yeah, he does what.
Speaker 1: I don't know what. He's a monster dude. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: tall as ship for sure, and he's always talking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you think about dudes like that who are like,
Speaker 2: you know, we're on the Jags a few years ago
Speaker 2: and now he's like won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: That's fucking dope.
Speaker 2: Like Von Miller gets traded this year, wins the Super
Speaker 2: Bowl Aaron Donald, which we got to talk about if
Speaker 2: he's goaded or not.
Speaker 1: I think that's tough to do, man. I mean he's
Speaker 1: played what how many years, eight or in the eight
Speaker 1: seasons and about I'm retiring too. No, a Pro Bowl,
Speaker 1: seven All pros, three time Defensive Player of the Year.
Speaker 1: But Bro, like I used to look at Reggie White, Bro,
Speaker 1: Reggie did the body of work at that time. No,
Speaker 1: I don't know shit about defenses and who's goaded who's
Speaker 1: not goded, Like you got to assume if Aaron's on
Speaker 1: this pace, if he plays sixteen years, he also gets
Speaker 1: hang on though. But you know, bro, this is the NFL.
Speaker 1: You like, at one point in time, you would assume
Speaker 1: JJ Watt would be all these things, and then he's
Speaker 1: had an injury ridden career the last few years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he was still He's still a goat of
Speaker 2: defensive line, a goat like.
Speaker 1: A greatest of all time defensive lineman's and he's.
Speaker 2: In the conversation of greatest of all times. So I'm
Speaker 2: trying to say, and that's a lot coming from I
Speaker 2: don't like JJ Watt. I don't I don't like him,
Speaker 2: I don't like his attitude. I don't like anything about
Speaker 2: the guy. But you respect him. But I'm just saying, like, yo,
Speaker 2: pot dude, Derek. I saw Derek Watt after the Steelers
Speaker 2: game and I basically told him I don't like your
Speaker 2: older brother, but you should come.
Speaker 1: Up busting with the boys.
Speaker 2: And he looked at me like, go fuck yourself and
Speaker 2: walked away, didn't say a word to me. And it
Speaker 2: works with the conversation like yeah, fair absolutely, I respect
Speaker 2: that that was that was a good move. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: deserve that.
Speaker 1: But looking at Aaron Donald, it's like, yeah, the potential
Speaker 1: of assuming what he's gonna do is different than actually
Speaker 1: executing it in a sport like football, Like we're talking
Speaker 1: Reggie Reggie Whitehead. How many All Pros? Eight for eight,
Speaker 1: First Team, five Second Team, thirteen Pro Bowls? He's on
Speaker 1: two All Decades teams? Yeah, but Donald, he will be
Speaker 1: on that for you're tired right now? Yeah, he has
Speaker 1: havn All Pros. Yeah, but he won't be on what
Speaker 1: do you mean he'll be on that. He'll be on
Speaker 1: two All Decade team because it's twenty twenty one, bro. No, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's twenty twenty two. It's twenty twenty two right now.
Speaker 1: But if he retired right now, more years.
Speaker 2: But in the next nine years, there's not gonna be
Speaker 2: a guy that's gonna outdo Aaron Donald and not be
Speaker 2: on the All Decade team for the twenties.
Speaker 1: Oh so you're saying he'll get grandfathered in because of
Speaker 1: what he did tens.
Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, that's that happens to everybody, dude, No one
Speaker 2: happens does everyone who's a big fucking name you can't
Speaker 2: just make it into the next year. A lot of
Speaker 2: guys I want to see that list. Julius Peppers, it's
Speaker 2: the first guy that comes to mind. Like by the
Speaker 2: time I got in the league, he was like slowing down, right,
Speaker 2: he was still a behemoth of a man. But everyone
Speaker 2: the way they talked about him, the way he like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think he's him.
Speaker 1: Doesn't he have like a record or he's on like
Speaker 1: the top of sacks Klais Campbell, all right, Julius Peppers, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Julius Peppers. But Julius Peppers, I think he retired around
Speaker 1: like Jajon Watts.
Speaker 2: Is not a guy that's gonna make the All decad
Speaker 2: team for the twenties and less like something dramatic happens
Speaker 2: the next three four years, right, right. But Aaron Donald,
Speaker 2: because he played in that year and the player he was,
Speaker 2: he's still gonna make All Decade team.
Speaker 1: And we can make this bet nine years from now,
Speaker 1: we could do a bet ten thousand. Speaking of bets,
Speaker 1: a T shirt bet we had it is a tough one. God,
Speaker 1: but hang on, give the give. Let's give. We were
Speaker 1: just in Arizona too. Let's give. Let's give Nebraska some Flowers.
Speaker 1: You were just an easy bro. They're they're deep out there.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 1: There was like four to one Nebraska and Michigan fans
Speaker 1: four to one. We're walking around the Waist Management tour
Speaker 1: in this uh this gal ahead like a Nebraska tatoo
Speaker 1: on her shoulder, on her shoulder. I was like, at
Speaker 1: the ends to the middle.
Speaker 2: God, yeah, dude. There was a lot of Nebraska fans
Speaker 2: out in Arizona, lots of them. I was at the
Speaker 2: Buffalo Chip, which is a barb and cave creek, and
Speaker 2: I'm going to the bathroom and this dude's in line.
Speaker 2: He's like, hey the boy. I'm like, oh, dude, what's up.
Speaker 2: He's like, I love your podcast. I'm like thanks, and
Speaker 2: he goes, I really fuck with Will though I'm.
Speaker 1: An Nebraska fan. He goes, I'm a Nebraska fan. Oh cool.
Speaker 1: I had like that weird turn, like with my body now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's nothing more said that, and then that
Speaker 2: was cool for both of us and we move on right,
Speaker 2: But he kind of just shipped on me.
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, my boy's got a real presence
Speaker 1: out there now. Though they had a little if the Redskins,
Speaker 1: let you do your thing, or the commodorees. What do
Speaker 1: they call now, commanders, the comedies or the commanders? You're
Speaker 1: the commies, yeah, the commanders. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean you guys wore the Redskins when you play,
Speaker 2: so I'll just refer to them as when you played
Speaker 2: the Redskins.
Speaker 1: The Redskins just kind of let you do whatever when.
Speaker 2: You have your social media and you felt like the
Speaker 2: compedists will do now, yeah, right right right now?
Speaker 1: Is the mental is a lot different back then. At
Speaker 1: a lot of fun on social media, Like back in
Speaker 1: the archives, the boys there bar still had me staying
Speaker 1: the whiskey beer more beer like before games and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. But I wasn't like out there the way
Speaker 1: I am now Now. You had a couple of deals,
Speaker 1: a couple of nice little deals.
Speaker 2: Hey, A Z was fun though A Z was a blast,
Speaker 2: had a good time, got back to the roots a
Speaker 2: little bit started that bar rebel ranch.
Speaker 1: Thank you, let's go boys we had.
Speaker 2: That's got a big opportunity coming up for him to invest.
Speaker 2: He is, he's very lucky. You're a very lucky man
Speaker 2: to have the even the opportunity. I'm happy for you.
Speaker 1: See that's the crazy bar. I don't even fully understand
Speaker 1: the opportunity, right, So I'm open. So you've invested with
Speaker 1: other things I've done. What's up? You've invested in other
Speaker 1: things I've done. Do we get to talk about? No,
Speaker 1: we don't get to talk about. You got to cut
Speaker 1: that out. That's crazy. I'm gonna say, you can invest
Speaker 1: in other things we've done. Yeah, I know. And how's
Speaker 1: that working out? Seems good?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you gon't be our rocket doggy. Hey, we always
Speaker 2: gonna be I Oh, We're always gonna be all right.
Speaker 2: But if you guys have a chance, go on Instagram
Speaker 2: follow Rubber Ranch, Rebel Ranch. I think we're up to
Speaker 2: like fourteen hundred followers. Were kind of kidding on my
Speaker 2: blue check.
Speaker 1: Here we come.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, So follow that. It's gonna
Speaker 2: be dope. We're doing a big renovation June July. Should
Speaker 2: be open next year in November being bang boom.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I did a shout out of my story. I
Speaker 1: saw you, Yeah, I saw you dogs. Yeah. It's a bar. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a bar and cave bar and bar. It's it's
Speaker 1: fifty two hundred people and.
Speaker 2: On the weekend's like on hunred thousand people come up
Speaker 2: because everybody wants to be a cowboy.
Speaker 1: So you go up there.
Speaker 2: It's the only place in the world you'll find an
Speaker 2: old truck, a ferrari, and a horse parks in the
Speaker 2: same parking lot.
Speaker 1: No mom and pop shops allowed.
Speaker 2: What's that I said, Identity Criss tell people many they
Speaker 2: cruise up in their nice vehicles, get some dust on it,
Speaker 2: they put their their Kenny Chesney straw hat on, and
Speaker 2: they enjoy themselves. Live music, two step in real country shit,
Speaker 2: real country shit.
Speaker 1: We had an arena out there.
Speaker 2: They were going to buck some horses out there, do
Speaker 2: some barrel racing, some mutton busting for the kids.
Speaker 1: Hey, no, don't sleep on the boy. You got a
Speaker 1: little rope in gene in you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've roped before, but I'm not a roper. Come
Speaker 2: on now, Hey, your boy can get it done.
Speaker 1: Come on. I got you a couple of times, you devil.
Speaker 1: I got this rope out. I got hey, I got
Speaker 1: this rope out, and I was like, hey, we'll just
Speaker 1: start walking. Hey, I roped you a couple of times.
Speaker 1: I wasn't even really following that part. Yeah we'll start one. Hey,
Speaker 1: just walk and I'd heal them. Just just snap him
Speaker 1: up real quick. God him. A couple of times, I'm
Speaker 1: like walking high. He's like, hey, pick your feet up
Speaker 1: a little bit. I'm like, we're just in a gravel
Speaker 1: parking a lot with this shitty ice cream? What shitty
Speaker 1: ice cream? McDonald's dude, Yes, bro, talk about a fat
Speaker 1: kid's story. We go.
Speaker 2: We're cruising down from the creek back down to Paradise
Speaker 2: Valley and Will is in a mood.
Speaker 1: He's like, let's get some ice cream in a mood
Speaker 1: for in a mood.
Speaker 2: So we're like, yeah, so there's cold Stones. He closes
Speaker 2: in twenty five minutes to thirty minute drive. They just
Speaker 2: leave the bar overs in Furious Tokyo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, minutes, leave the bar early. Taylor's dancing. Hey, twenty
Speaker 1: minutes we gotta go. You see this, ye me the
Speaker 1: closing students sign on the on the maps.
Speaker 2: So I started cruising down the one o one fast
Speaker 2: in the Fears Tokyo drift, Get off, get there. We
Speaker 2: at four minutes to fucking spare dude, and Colestones is
Speaker 2: closed Heartbreak Hotel, so I'm already in. I'm invest Now
Speaker 2: what are we gonna do? We pop on the old
Speaker 2: phone sitting in the parking lot. What's open Sonic?
Speaker 1: We started driving towards Sonic and we see Mickey D's
Speaker 1: and we're like, hey, when's lest some I gotta make
Speaker 1: flurrying gold arches, dude. We yeah, those gold arches in
Speaker 1: the distance like a little oasis of ice cream. We
Speaker 1: do a quick U turn, get in there. We order
Speaker 1: a couple before we keep going. Can I throw in
Speaker 1: a little tailor? And Taylor like, yeah, let's hit McDonald's.
Speaker 1: I don't really say much in the back because I
Speaker 1: got like, is the ice cream machine broken? Remember that? Well? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you guys are you guys are like, oh yeah, let's
Speaker 1: go to McDonald's. Yeah, And I was kind of like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're ice cream folks like that,
Speaker 1: but I'm like, you know what, I'm ready to go,
Speaker 1: so go ahead. So we we pull in there. The
Speaker 1: guy you can tell on me a little help you.
Speaker 1: He's on that thing, and I'm like, yeah, give me
Speaker 1: a second. He just goes and kind of just wait.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, oh, like it is going in these burgers, Doggie,
Speaker 1: enjoy your job, like Chick fil A and these other
Speaker 1: spots one place in and out. Hey, Chick fil A
Speaker 1: is not a slapper. I'm just gonna say it. Let
Speaker 1: him finish the story before you just fucking throw some bullshit.
Speaker 1: Chick is not a slapper. Pause. So we have to McDonald's.
Speaker 2: We decide, Uh, my boy over here is getting a
Speaker 2: quarter pounder of a cheese. I'm a classic kid route guy.
Speaker 2: Haven't been to McDonald's in like seven years. So I
Speaker 2: get two of the regular cheeseburgers with Max sauce on it.
Speaker 2: Kind of a hitter, right, yeah, jpc's what I'm talking
Speaker 2: about back there, and we get the mcflury's. We look
Speaker 2: over at the mcflury's side on the top right, it's
Speaker 2: just just mcflury and then small quotes Oreo, that's.
Speaker 1: All they got. Ship they got here here. I'm like,
Speaker 1: we'll take three large orio mcflury's, so we rip her
Speaker 1: on the side large. Remember the story?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it takes a minute, dude, not just sixty seconds.
Speaker 2: A minute, right, because I'm trying to be cool and hip.
Speaker 2: The guy comes over. I give him my card, He
Speaker 2: gives me the burgers first, and we're waiting on these mcflurries.
Speaker 2: He tosses out the mcflury's. These bitches were in a
Speaker 2: thimble size.
Speaker 1: Dude. They were this fucking bait. Two spoonfuls to finish.
Speaker 1: Will fucking Dixie coch. Hey, Will goes Will, all quite
Speaker 1: in the back. I give him. I give him the mcflury.
Speaker 2: I wasn't really paying attention. He's you know, he's just
Speaker 2: over here looking around, and uh, I give him mc
Speaker 2: flir andy. You just see like his hand kind of
Speaker 2: creep up as I can pass it back to him,
Speaker 2: and and he grabs him and goes back into the
Speaker 2: little cave and he it's quiet.
Speaker 1: First. He goes, Yo, what the fuck is this? Mad
Speaker 1: as fuck you? I just put the ship in my pocket.
Speaker 1: I'm done, bro, I'm not joking. Go and we're trying
Speaker 1: to order a large mcflur and you can fit that
Speaker 1: thing in your pocket. It's and the candy will say
Speaker 1: cookie because it's oreo. But the cookie you put in
Speaker 1: there and they stir in it's only on the surface. Yeah,
Speaker 1: after you get to the first look full. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: makes it look oh this this can be a banger.
Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, Taylor, I was so mad. Tal And goes, hey,
Speaker 1: well you can have mine too. The ship it's.
Speaker 2: Small as fuck, dude. The cat that goes on top
Speaker 2: of it is bigger than the cup. It's ridiculous, ridiculous.
Speaker 1: You're probably thinking while you're.
Speaker 2: Listening and watching, Oh, it's all right. They probably put
Speaker 2: the ice cream up to the top of the cap. No,
Speaker 2: they fucking don't. It's the brim of the lid. Tough,
Speaker 2: fucking tough. So no one's fucking loving. No one's fucking
Speaker 2: loving that. A couple and he's not wrong, and the
Speaker 2: cookie's gone. It's ice cream at the bottom. It's it's
Speaker 2: a fucking still fire.
Speaker 1: But like, yo, we're the boys. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: We need a couple extra spoonfuls to make sure our
Speaker 2: belly is happy.
Speaker 1: I ate my first half, put mine down, grabbed tails,
Speaker 1: and ate her top half just because the oreo in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. So we decide we get the burgers everything.
Speaker 2: I don't even open up my burger on fucking pissed. No,
Speaker 2: we threw We put the ship in the corner.
Speaker 1: Like we're done with this. We go to Sonicy.
Speaker 2: Yo, Sonic's just casually selling long winers, those long pieces.
Speaker 1: You get you love them things? Huh, bro, get the
Speaker 1: fuck out of here. You like those? How do you
Speaker 1: eat that not thing. Oh he looks like a two bites.
Speaker 1: How did you like he's throwing that?
Speaker 2: Just grab it out of the wrapper, holding with two
Speaker 2: hands like this and go oh tough, like you know
Speaker 2: you're thinking about yourself. Grab a double double hand like that,
Speaker 2: but you got a hold like this like you're kind
Speaker 2: of and then you're just holding the tip.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this one's the real holder. Tilt the head, he said,
Speaker 1: you had to tilt their head on that thing. So
Speaker 1: they sell that.
Speaker 2: Me and Will spent about I don't know, six or
Speaker 2: seven minutes just laughing about that until we press the
Speaker 2: button to order and then we get our shakes, and
Speaker 2: it was beast. I mean, Colstone would have just fixed
Speaker 2: it off. Their employees were committed to their craft.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right on.
Speaker 2: Four minutes. And you can't just make me up a
Speaker 2: birthday cake remix like the boy wants. I'm trying to
Speaker 2: get and I gotta have it and pine size. That's
Speaker 2: a wild ship, dude, chick fil a. Yeah, let's talk
Speaker 2: about that before.
Speaker 1: Let's give context now before you just let's context right now.
Speaker 1: Ship's trash, all right, now, that's my stance to put
Speaker 1: you guys, because there's a lot of pissed off people
Speaker 1: right now driving their Chevy Silverado's listening to this and
Speaker 1: they're closed on Sunday. Yeah, it's a hot's day. Well no, listen, yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody's everyone's in church for a couple hours and then
Speaker 1: you get out and you have like a hitter, like
Speaker 1: check the numbers, check the tape.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, I'm close one day of the week and
Speaker 2: still crush it. When they're at Chick fil A in
Speaker 2: Atlanta Stadium and it was just closed on Sundays.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're lying. But hey, hey on, because people
Speaker 1: need to empathize where tailors coming from. Because he got it.
Speaker 1: Every time they had Yeah, every time they had a game,
Speaker 1: their postgame meal was like Chick fil A. It wasn't
Speaker 1: a post game you know.
Speaker 2: Every time we flew, even now for the last eight years,
Speaker 2: every time we fly, they have Chick fil A in there.
Speaker 1: After a while, the smell gets to you, right, It's
Speaker 1: just you're not getting that fresh, foggy.
Speaker 2: Sandwich or the little chicken sandwich or whatever, and you
Speaker 2: got the nuggies. Now I will give you this Chick
Speaker 2: fil A. I love the variety of sauces you'all have
Speaker 2: and I'm talking to you guys as if you guys
Speaker 2: are now employers of Chick fil A. I don't fuck
Speaker 2: with it because of my situation and be on that
Speaker 2: plane all the time.
Speaker 1: It just smells to me. Now, I think you need it.
Speaker 1: They hit or milkshakes though, But I still think you
Speaker 1: need to not just not say it's fucking trash because
Speaker 1: you haven't had a real experience at Chick fil A.
Speaker 1: You just have. When I was in high school, I
Speaker 1: used to go chick You tasteuss are a lot different
Speaker 1: back in ice, so your brain's not even that developed either.
Speaker 1: So now that my brain's fully developed, I can say
Speaker 1: it's you can make a rational, more mature decision about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you bring up the stats.
Speaker 3: We're talking Chick fil A, bro, number three on the list.
Speaker 3: They ring number three with two hundred franchise.
Speaker 1: You know how the fuck is McDonald's number one, dude,
Speaker 1: Because like they got thirteen thousand units, Bro, that's tough.
Speaker 1: Damn Subways out there with twenty two thousand. Just I
Speaker 1: thought somebody kind of fell off a little bit.
Speaker 2: I thought subway was kind of gone, Like you go
Speaker 2: and grab a sub you gotta put some fragrances in
Speaker 2: there or something like put a lavender candle up, because
Speaker 2: when you walk in there, you walk out, you smell
Speaker 2: like Subway for the rest of the day.
Speaker 1: They and everybody. Yeah, it's tough in the day. Quiz
Speaker 1: Nos probably the best one. I thought Subway was so
Speaker 1: good back back in high school. Yeah, no question, murdered Subway.
Speaker 1: I'd come out to the city and people be talking
Speaker 1: about their little delis and onion and karaokey.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they the fuck out of here, dude, and no way,
Speaker 2: Swear to god, I love that, dude.
Speaker 1: That was my favorite thing. They low they had They
Speaker 1: seems like they fell off. They had to lay low
Speaker 1: a little bit after the whole Jared thing. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: like they're not the one doing it, Like you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, But that was your front runner. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Speaking of front runners, how about the Verizon guys selling
Speaker 2: out for Sprint now you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Can you hear me now?
Speaker 3: Guy?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And he's like he's like kind of ships on
Speaker 2: Verizon without saying Verizon.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But anyway, how long have we been doing this intro?
Speaker 1: You should probably wrap her up. We should probably get
Speaker 1: to the kJ episode. All right, that's cool. I'm just
Speaker 1: happy I got to be a part of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, you know what I'm saying. You weren't gonna
Speaker 1: get to yesterday. You had your little, uh Preds thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hope that thing's gonna be sick. Oh, Talor's got
Speaker 1: a little video coming out because they're doing a little
Speaker 1: outdoor game. Yeah, that should come out next Monday, right
Speaker 1: six days from now. And it's I'll only tell something, dude.
Speaker 2: If the Predators have good ore, they're good at editing
Speaker 2: and shifting things around, my acting skills are gonna look
Speaker 2: fucking insane. They're gonna be outstanding. But if they're not
Speaker 2: good at editing, I'm gonna get exposed.
Speaker 1: I'm stoked. I'm stoked. Regardless. I like doing it on film.
Speaker 2: He's got on film, but like you know, it's like
Speaker 2: not the real thing, you know what I'm saying, something
Speaker 2: funny stuff. It really wasn't like uh, Johansson and Sorrows
Speaker 2: were kind of the ones that I really didn't want
Speaker 2: to fucking be there. But you know how it is
Speaker 2: when you're in the season locked in, you're locked in,
Speaker 2: like you don't want to be doing this extra stuff.
Speaker 2: It's and for me as a fan of the Predators
Speaker 2: and like being a part of the Nashville community, like
Speaker 2: that was dope. I choked to be here for Catfish
Speaker 2: one time, Like, hey, we want you to be a
Speaker 2: part of this, like one of the biggest games.
Speaker 1: So super stoked on that super stoked. But anyway, kJ
Speaker 1: Wright outstanding. Yeah, he was awesome. Anybody who's tuned in
Speaker 1: from the Seattle Raiders all of it, they're gonna fucking
Speaker 1: lovelessen to kJ soft spoken dude, monster. He I mean,
Speaker 1: he's a study. He was a top one hundred player.
Speaker 1: He talks about being pissed off in free agency because
Speaker 1: he didn't have a phone call all the way until August.
Speaker 1: We're talking about the top one hundred for wild Yes, bro,
Speaker 1: But he gets into all that, his frustrations about the process,
Speaker 1: anxieties with playing football, being a free agent. We com
Speaker 1: bear our little free agent stories. He's like, I mean, man,
Speaker 1: what was your Because he was talking about not getting called.
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, my other one was even worse, or
Speaker 1: my other one was just as bad. He goes, I
Speaker 1: didn't get called my first for agency either, And we
Speaker 1: kind of got into it and I go so when'd
Speaker 1: you get a call in the first regency. He was like, oh,
Speaker 1: they called me on the third day and we just
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, what, you're still in the first wave. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like you just think it called on day one. But mindset, dude. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's got some like stoic. He's a football He's
Speaker 1: a football guy. Dude, he's all backer. He just wants
Speaker 1: to tackle motherfuckers. And uh don't want to. I can't
Speaker 1: say what he's doing after football because he didn't want
Speaker 1: it to be on the pod. We talked about him
Speaker 1: playing with Bobby Wagner. Yeah, I can't wait. It's part
Speaker 1: of ball. Like he's all ball, bro, Like you'll hear it.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here, I'm trying to get him to think
Speaker 1: about playing, like here's how you handle the back end
Speaker 1: of your career. Because he goes, I'm not gonna play
Speaker 1: anywhere if I got to wait till training camp or
Speaker 1: anything like that. I'm like, well, let's let me try
Speaker 1: to tell you about the other side of it, Like, well,
Speaker 1: right before you come on the roster, you get guaranteed
Speaker 1: and you just kind of play the game. And he
Speaker 1: was just so like he respects and loves the game
Speaker 1: so much. I'm sitting there and I'm low key like
Speaker 1: feeling bad that I was trying to even change his mind,
Speaker 1: because I'm like, Yo, this dude loves the game. But
Speaker 1: we asked about Russ Wilson. A lot of us up.
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Speaker 2: So if you want to get on the train while
Speaker 2: it's still a little smaller for chamber ratting, A lot
Speaker 2: of those little deals in the back. I don't know
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Speaker 2: the caboose. Get part of that meat potatoes in the middle.
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Speaker 1: we got a kjright on the bus. I know Kjwright honestly,
Speaker 1: first time meeting you is over social media Twitter. You
Speaker 1: had a video that you that you posted that we'll
Speaker 1: get to in a little bit play with you on
Speaker 1: the Raiders for five weeks. It was a great five weeks.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you're like, how's this dag? Just like buddy
Speaker 1: buddy with everybody because we hadn't known each other at all.
Speaker 1: But what uh? You came to Nashville just to do this?
Speaker 1: Just for you? My man? You live where?
Speaker 3: Well, I live in all the Ressissippi, born in Memphis,
Speaker 3: but I'm like.
Speaker 1: Three hours away, so you're where'd you fly from? I
Speaker 1: from Seattle. I took a red eye, So you took
Speaker 1: a red eye here and in Nashville. It's nine am
Speaker 1: right now. I'm proud number one. Hey, run of applause
Speaker 1: for the boys for being here at nine am. This
Speaker 1: is our earliest, bro, not until the afternoon. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: this is our earliest part we've we've ever done nine
Speaker 1: am in the morning, So shut out the boys. Uh
Speaker 1: So you landed, You took a red eye, landed at
Speaker 1: eight here at nine and then after this you're gonna
Speaker 1: drive to Memphis. I appreciate you, bro, I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that dog there's a lot too unpacked that
Speaker 1: I'm curious to talk to you about. Because what year
Speaker 1: did you just finish? Ten? Finished eleven? You just finished eleven.
Speaker 1: That's fucking awesome. That's fucking awesome. Yeah, knock on what man, Bro,
Speaker 1: you just finished your eleven. You're somebody I've obviously watched
Speaker 1: for the entirety of my career. Uh, the way you
Speaker 1: guys would play certain styles of cover three, rat coverage
Speaker 1: Cover one, you covering running backs out on the out
Speaker 1: on the outside, which always blew my mind because I'm like,
Speaker 1: why isn't Kj's the bigger motherfucker? Why is Bobby or somebody? Yeah,
Speaker 1: why is it he going out there and doing it?
Speaker 1: But our coach is always a Kirk al Vadadi. He
Speaker 1: was always a big fan of your game too, So
Speaker 1: we would legitimately like watch you guys and watch your concepts.
Speaker 1: How you guys did like watch Bobby play rat here,
Speaker 1: watching playing between the hashes. Ray was a big fan
Speaker 1: of showing Bobby playing between the hashes and everything. Uh,
Speaker 1: but Bro, eleven years man, and uh, you just finished
Speaker 1: with the Raiders. You were a top one hundred player
Speaker 1: last year and you went through a very high and
Speaker 1: low off season, more lows than high. Yeah, talk about
Speaker 1: that because you you were with Seattle for a decade. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh again a top one hundred player. I think
Speaker 1: you finally got your flowers because I think you've been
Speaker 1: should have been at it, right, you've at it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you've been somebody, uh with Bobby. You've had Bobby there,
Speaker 1: and obviously everybody knows about Bobby Wagner. He's been like
Speaker 1: an All Pro every year. But you're somebody like us
Speaker 1: watching the tape. You're somebody that's always you're right there
Speaker 1: next to him. You never seem to get your flowers
Speaker 1: until this past year. Talk about you know, talk about
Speaker 1: ending your decade in Seattle and why you're so frustrated
Speaker 1: this past off season. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I put together a very very in my eyes,
Speaker 3: the brink up on a career. I just did you know,
Speaker 3: got the Super Bowls, got the Pro Bowls, almost got
Speaker 3: a thousand tackles in Seattle. I saw that, bro I'm
Speaker 3: like seven eight away. But anyway, so yeah, I had
Speaker 3: to just had to stell a career and crack the
Speaker 3: top one hundred for the first time, number sixty seven.
Speaker 3: But if you look at that list. I'm the only
Speaker 3: guy that was a free agent, right, So I'm like,
Speaker 3: how the hell did I put together this really good career?
Speaker 3: First of all, put together this really good year ten,
Speaker 3: And don't nobody want me?
Speaker 1: Because it also came out you you were even injured
Speaker 1: at nineteen and you bounced back.
Speaker 3: Y'all got heard in eighteen. And I had two really
Speaker 3: good years back to back, really good years. Then they
Speaker 3: drafted linebacker first round, and I was like, oh, so
Speaker 3: you can kind of see the writing on the wall.
Speaker 3: I never had anybody's drafted first round of my position.
Speaker 3: But we all know when a guy gets drafted your spot,
Speaker 3: something's about to happen. Either you're about to get benched, cut,
Speaker 3: or about to rotate in and out.
Speaker 1: And so I didn't.
Speaker 3: I didn't have any guarantees on that year, so if
Speaker 3: they would let me go, I wouldn't have had no money.
Speaker 3: And so go into that have a fantastic year ten
Speaker 3: in free agency here and I'm like, oh, it's a
Speaker 3: freaking old brainer, Like somebody about to pick me up. Man,
Speaker 3: I'm about to either come back to Seattle or a
Speaker 3: team just gonna want me. And when I tell you that,
Speaker 3: my phone was dry, like I got zero phone calls,
Speaker 3: that's are you for real?
Speaker 4: Zero?
Speaker 3: Seattle didn't call me, Cowboys, rams, niners, nobody.
Speaker 1: Nobody even inquired.
Speaker 3: No, And I was like, what the hell is going on?
Speaker 3: And then I'm like, you know, at first, I just
Speaker 3: waited and I hit my agent like that, what is
Speaker 3: going on? And he said, it's just the first wave.
Speaker 3: There's there's nothing out there. And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: we gotta be kidding me.
Speaker 1: You should like you're somebody and I understand what the
Speaker 1: whole wave process, but you're somebody who I got to
Speaker 1: be your first day dude, Like what are they looking at?
Speaker 1: What are they thinking?
Speaker 3: And bro, when I said, that's like the top three,
Speaker 3: like lowest I've ever been in, like my NFL career.
Speaker 3: Like the sadness and the stress and anxiety that I
Speaker 3: had was like there's nothing, nothing could describe it.
Speaker 1: How are you dealing with that? Man?
Speaker 3: Well, thank god I got you know, married wife, wife,
Speaker 3: through kids, and so I have, you know, have my family,
Speaker 3: have my family, have my support system. I was training
Speaker 3: with the Fellas, going to Tracy Ford and and BLV Washington,
Speaker 3: just staying around people, and I was in my word,
Speaker 3: I was praying and meditating daily because if I didn't
Speaker 3: have that, I would have lost my freaking mind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and and bro, it's just just went through
Speaker 1: the first wave.
Speaker 3: You know, other teams like Wait to the Draft, that
Speaker 3: went by, O t As went by, Training camp went by,
Speaker 3: and it was nothing.
Speaker 1: The Raiders the first one to call me. Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, the the Niners were the first to call me.
Speaker 3: It's funny. John Lynch called me and he's like, Cayjay,
Speaker 3: what's up, man? I see you're still a creation. I
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, you notice. And he's like, man, we'd
Speaker 3: love to get you out here. We'd love to get
Speaker 3: you out here. Man. You know, we've always watched you.
Speaker 3: We thought it was you know, brain that you was
Speaker 3: signed with Seattle. That's what he said. And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know that that didn't happen. And so yeah, man,
Speaker 3: I want to come, you know, come out here.
Speaker 1: And get a visit in. And that went by, and
Speaker 1: so when I visited, I never visited. I never visited.
Speaker 3: You just follow up, just like I'm gonna talk to
Speaker 3: Shanahan and Shannon, you know, they say Shanahan's on board.
Speaker 3: And long story short, VET minimum was offered disrespectful, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, there's no way that KJR Wright name would
Speaker 3: be signed next to a VET minimum contract. I put
Speaker 3: together too good of a resume to do that, you know.
Speaker 3: I just I just retired, live off, live off the
Speaker 3: money that I made and that didn't fall through. And
Speaker 3: then Gus Bradley caused me. When I was sitting on
Speaker 3: the deck, Gus Bradley, defensive coordinator for the Raiders, he
Speaker 3: comes like, kJ what's up?
Speaker 1: Like, what up, Gus?
Speaker 3: I'm free as a bird and Gus, you know, flew
Speaker 3: me out there for a visit visit with the Raiders
Speaker 3: and yeah, signed a few weeks later.
Speaker 1: What did you think about the opportunity you were presented
Speaker 1: with the with the Raiders because Denzel had just gotten
Speaker 1: traded out there, right, Yeah, so going out there knowing
Speaker 1: that they kind of had a little bit of a depth,
Speaker 1: try to put together.
Speaker 3: What was your I was confused. While the Raiders was calling,
Speaker 3: I was like, why do the Raiders want me? They
Speaker 3: got Denzel got Corey Little to Nick Nick Nick Quickowski, Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I was like, why do they want me?
Speaker 1: But Nick Morrow had got hurt.
Speaker 3: I realized Nick got heard, Nick got hurt and Jacmon
Speaker 3: was hurt and so it was an auto position that
Speaker 3: was open for me.
Speaker 1: And Gus called me.
Speaker 3: He's like, hey, we got a spot open for you.
Speaker 3: What you think you know you won't be every down backer?
Speaker 3: And I was like, and so, yeah, I just at
Speaker 3: that point, that's when to get into camp because it
Speaker 3: was week one of the regular season. You gotta get
Speaker 3: on week one because once your your salary is the
Speaker 3: antique salaries guaranteed. And you know, I missed all the
Speaker 3: training count you know, all the OTAs and I just
Speaker 3: signed week one and I played in like six days.
Speaker 1: It's Ravens. Yeah. Fortunately he's got that cover three system. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that you can pick up on. But you also posted
Speaker 1: that video in training camp where you took to Twitter
Speaker 1: and you shot a video. What made you want to
Speaker 1: shoot that video? Man, it's just the one you had retweeted.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I just wanted to let the world know,
Speaker 3: like in the midst of like my adversity, in the
Speaker 3: midst of my sadness, Like no matter what anyone is
Speaker 3: going through in this world, it's important that through it
Speaker 3: all you stay positive, and it's important that you don't
Speaker 3: let your spirits get get so down and so in
Speaker 3: the midst of what I was going through, I was
Speaker 3: still working my ass off, I was still preparing. I
Speaker 3: was still watching film because I knew that something was
Speaker 3: going to fall through, and so I could have been
Speaker 3: in my feelings just eating like shit and not training
Speaker 3: and all that stuff, but I prepared, like I'll be
Speaker 3: a week one starter. So I just wanted to just
Speaker 3: put that out there and let people know, like, no
Speaker 3: matter what you're going through, just keep working.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Then you had, you know, you had retweeted and got it.
Speaker 3: You know, it spread a little more, and so I
Speaker 3: appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you're kJ right, I think everybody in
Speaker 1: Seattle is pretty curious, Like I'm sure you posted something
Speaker 1: like that because you heard and was seeing a lot
Speaker 1: of people kind of questioning what was happening, and you
Speaker 1: wanted to do that on your own because there's I
Speaker 1: mean there's I mean sure, I guess maybe a few
Speaker 1: more people saw it, but I mean everybody was so
Speaker 1: curious as to why you hadn't been signed. Because Pete Carroll,
Speaker 1: he was doing press conferences and stuff saying like, oh,
Speaker 1: I think he was he was alluding to that you
Speaker 1: guys were in conversation, the door is still open. It
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like that was true at all.
Speaker 3: He said, the door was still open. It's like, can'tja
Speaker 3: love to have you back? You know, it's a big
Speaker 3: negotiating chess game.
Speaker 1: Ye.
Speaker 3: But but the only way that I would have came
Speaker 3: back was if the guys, if their plan didn't work right,
Speaker 3: they went to a new scheme and want to put
Speaker 3: new people into his Like, it's essentially the only way
Speaker 3: you're coming back is if this plan doesn't look good.
Speaker 1: Right, because every hang on there were a couple of
Speaker 1: young guys that they had drafted by now right, there's
Speaker 1: that first rounder, and then there was another guy, right,
Speaker 1: second rounder, a second rounder. Yeah, so they're planning for
Speaker 1: you know, you and wags. So like at some point,
Speaker 1: these guys like it's gonna start to decline. We gotta
Speaker 1: prepare for the future. Yeah, And so I just had
Speaker 1: this little glimpse of hope.
Speaker 3: And and when it came down to it, when it
Speaker 3: came when it came down to sign with the Raiders,
Speaker 3: I'll call Pete, I said, Pete, I got this offer
Speaker 3: on the table. I really don't want to leave. I
Speaker 3: don't want to leave. I don't want to stay in Seattle?
Speaker 3: Is there anything we could do? I take a lesser role.
Speaker 3: I understand you want to play Jordan, I'll come off
Speaker 3: the field.
Speaker 1: What what can we do? You're better than Seattle? You
Speaker 1: want you want to be there? Yeah? And he's like God,
Speaker 1: catch you know Pete, you know he's missing, Like God,
Speaker 1: this this, I hate this. Let me.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna talk to John the gym and I still
Speaker 3: if we can get something done?
Speaker 1: Yeah, would you have sign would you play for VET?
Speaker 1: Would you assign vat minimum at that point? At that
Speaker 1: point to stay in Seattle knowing that the rare should
Speaker 1: just offered you a contract. When you call Pete and
Speaker 1: you're like, hey, I'll do this, I'll do this, No,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have you would enough. I wouldn't know if
Speaker 1: they would have to compete a little bit.
Speaker 3: If the Raiders offering me vetamnium minimum and the Seals
Speaker 3: offered me vetmentium, I would have left.
Speaker 1: You would have left Seattle? Yeah, on both VET minimum? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Why is that because my because my pride, my ego.
Speaker 1: But the Raiders had offered you, and you called Pete
Speaker 1: and said, hey man, they are what the Raiders offer
Speaker 1: you was like five, what's it? Five million? Up to five?
Speaker 1: Up to five?
Speaker 3: So the Raiders offer you up to five. You you
Speaker 3: choose to call Pete and say, is there anything we
Speaker 3: can do?
Speaker 1: But what are you looking for? When you say is
Speaker 1: there anything? Are you looking for that higher than the five?
Speaker 1: Or you wouldn't have if they offered you one for five,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have stayed.
Speaker 3: I would have. I would have stayed in Seattle. But
Speaker 3: why if they're both veat minimum? Would you have left
Speaker 3: Seattle if they're both the same, because first of all,
Speaker 3: both offers our dog shit, I would have loved it.
Speaker 1: Dude, we got an elite linebacker on this motherfucker.
Speaker 3: He's just like But I wouldn't have to leave because
Speaker 3: my ego would have been like hej First of all,
Speaker 3: what you're gonna give Seattle is the miraculously you're going
Speaker 3: to be on the field a lot, and the leadership
Speaker 3: that I bring in that locker room, the presence that
Speaker 3: I bring. They would have gotten millions out of me.
Speaker 3: And so I'm not gonna give this organization another year
Speaker 3: of this. I'd rather just leave and start over and
Speaker 3: bless with another organization. What I bring to the table
Speaker 3: so the hell would coming back for Vetmnium? I just
Speaker 3: leave and go do it somewhere else. I got you,
Speaker 3: And so, yeah, do you feel you're obviously very passionate.
Speaker 3: I fucking love it. It's juicing me up right now, dud.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you feel established enough obviously to
Speaker 1: say those things? But you also know this, knowing how
Speaker 1: many of your teammates have you had your back? Because
Speaker 1: Bobby was out there probably every week saying something you
Speaker 1: get allude to the same passion that he had, like
Speaker 1: you're you're shining like through him. Yeah. Uh, do you
Speaker 1: feel kind of of that respect was all your teammates
Speaker 1: that you have in Seattle?
Speaker 3: I feel complete respect for my teammates, complete respect from
Speaker 3: the fans, and everybody had my back, Like I literally
Speaker 3: got tweeted every day from fans whys and kJ signed?
Speaker 3: They would take the Seahawks Toime kJ at Pete Carroll,
Speaker 3: what are we doing here? Whys and kJ sign bring
Speaker 3: them back? And that was literally all off season. And
Speaker 3: so I felt that love from the people because I
Speaker 3: gave the city everything I had. Yeah, I gave these
Speaker 3: people every ounce in my body. And some stuff just
Speaker 3: doesn't make sense, like what organizational organization wise, like how
Speaker 3: and why do you let me leave the building when
Speaker 3: I'm willing to take a lesser role, when I'm willing
Speaker 3: to still give you all that I got?
Speaker 1: Like why? Right?
Speaker 3: It don't make sense to me, especially when I extend
Speaker 3: olive branch and saying can we work something out?
Speaker 1: So it was, you know, like ultimately ultimately you know,
Speaker 1: and I agree with you.
Speaker 3: I fucking agree with you, and uh, I think it's
Speaker 3: it's got to be the answer just has to be.
Speaker 1: It's above everybody else in that building, right or no,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I haven't figured that out yet. Like
Speaker 1: and I like Pete actually probably maybe wanted you back,
Speaker 1: maybe not, maybe not, but let's just say in this instance,
Speaker 1: like he might have, right, but like an owner of
Speaker 1: GM or somebody is just you know, the whole cut
Speaker 1: we got to go in this direction, the whole cutthrow
Speaker 1: business part of it. Like it's like you know, with
Speaker 1: the Raiders, everybody knew that Gruden had fifty one percent
Speaker 1: and may I had forty nine, so Grew would kind
Speaker 1: of have the final say and stuff, and he had
Speaker 1: control of the roster. I don't know Pete's contracting situation,
Speaker 1: but maybe he was somebody who wanted you understood that
Speaker 1: whatever the GM was saying, and maybe it's like that's
Speaker 1: just the bullshit part of the business that happens, and
Speaker 1: I get it. Ten years is a very long time. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's an anomaly, bro, Like the average career is three
Speaker 1: point three or something like that, three and a half years.
Speaker 1: We'll just say three years. The average career is three years.
Speaker 1: We're talking about guys bouncing around. It's crazy when you
Speaker 1: get to play out your full contract as a rookie
Speaker 1: with a team and then resigned to that team again,
Speaker 1: because if you play well enough, you're probably gonna go
Speaker 1: to the market, unless you're somebody who knows I'm gonna
Speaker 1: sign before I get to the market. I'm going to
Speaker 1: take a hometown discount because I want to be here.
Speaker 1: Then you play how long was your second deal? Four years?
Speaker 1: Four years, another four years, and then you sign another
Speaker 1: two year deal after you and and Wag's established that
Speaker 1: you guys are the best duo in the league. Then
Speaker 1: you've resigned that two year deal. Then you get to
Speaker 1: the end of that two year deal and obviously, like
Speaker 1: you were saying, you signed that two year deal that
Speaker 1: year after you had just ended getting hurt. That kind
Speaker 1: of plays another favor, always hurting. Now we can offer them,
Speaker 1: you know, a more of a lower amount. Got me, man,
Speaker 1: they got me. They got you all you you were
Speaker 1: you upset about the two year you signed or you
Speaker 1: just kind of had nothing else to do? Had I had?
Speaker 3: I didn't me tell you about that one that the
Speaker 3: first time I hit for agency. Nobody called me that
Speaker 3: time either after rookie at your rookie deal? Are you
Speaker 3: talking about four year deal? So I tore my knee,
Speaker 3: and but I thought my career was my crew was
Speaker 3: in jeopardy a c l No. Bro. I was warming
Speaker 3: up against the Vikings preseason, and I was just shuffling.
Speaker 3: I just fell a tweaking my knee.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the hell was that? I played the
Speaker 1: game and I got named right the next day. Bro.
Speaker 3: It was a big, big piece of cartilage that was
Speaker 3: missing from the inside of my knee. It said, like, Kendy,
Speaker 3: you got to get surgery. So I'm bone on bone
Speaker 3: and this knee. And but what happened throughout the season
Speaker 3: was my knee kept swelling like I never it was.
Speaker 3: The thing was like fat as fat as ever and
Speaker 3: I played with that all year and then all the
Speaker 3: off season my knee was still swelling.
Speaker 1: Are you having to get like fluid removed all the time.
Speaker 3: Or again removed? Bro I did stem cells, I was
Speaker 3: doing Regena con PRP. Nothing was working.
Speaker 1: Damn.
Speaker 3: Then by the grace of God, like it finally came
Speaker 3: around and I was able to keep playing. Don't give
Speaker 3: me any problems now. So that's what happened. That's what happened.
Speaker 3: That their first ur agency, because everybody knew about my knee,
Speaker 3: and nobody called me that first time either.
Speaker 1: The first time, I meaning you just finished your eight years.
Speaker 1: I just finished yeah, yeah, yeah, going on your Nobody
Speaker 1: had called you, and then Seattle came in late and
Speaker 1: offered you know, was able to get you. It was
Speaker 1: a third day of fre agency. Oh, third day of
Speaker 1: free agency. I mean that's there's not nobody calls you
Speaker 1: for the first two days the way that called you.
Speaker 1: But you're still in the back half of the wave one.
Speaker 1: I was stressed. I was stressed.
Speaker 3: Why were you so stressed? Because I've never been in
Speaker 3: that position. I've never been in that position to where
Speaker 3: I feel like I wasn't a part of the team.
Speaker 3: I wasn't I'm free, right, And then I like, I
Speaker 3: saw the other guys getting signed, you know, their first
Speaker 3: two waiver period, guys can you know, sign verbally, and
Speaker 3: it was happening. You know, nobody was calling me, Yeah,
Speaker 3: how do you feel? Like, what do you feel?
Speaker 1: Like? Those those times of like uncertainty and anxiety was
Speaker 1: teaching you because I hear you say those things, and
Speaker 1: we're obviously way different careers, Like you've you know, you've
Speaker 1: had not to shoot on the boy's career. I've loved
Speaker 1: my career and I love my story, but I'm saying
Speaker 1: I haven't been in your shoes to where I'm feeling anxiety.
Speaker 1: Like nobody called me either, comp and I'm like, damn,
Speaker 1: how long was You're like day three and I'm like, fuck,
Speaker 1: what the fuck did I did? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah we got different Yeah we got different anxiety. Yeah
Speaker 3: this we got like different anxiety.
Speaker 1: The first time I went through it through free agency,
Speaker 1: teams were inquiring right before that, the you know, free
Speaker 1: agency opened right like the Bengals and Bills and teams
Speaker 1: were inquiring, so you're like excited. So when nothing's happening
Speaker 1: and you see guys getting signed, You're like man, when's
Speaker 1: my time coming? But speak about those anxieties and what
Speaker 1: you learned in those times of like feeling shitty about yourself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think that like those I believe that
Speaker 3: was the first time my adult life that I really
Speaker 3: experienced it from the standpoint of, like I couldn't sleep
Speaker 3: good at night, I was having like these headaches and
Speaker 3: like just like I was just just stressed all the time.
Speaker 3: And I believe that I had to find avenues to
Speaker 3: release that. I had to find avenues to release that,
Speaker 3: and for me, it was therapeutic for me. Was talking
Speaker 3: to people. I talked to my mentor, Jonathan Rainey, I
Speaker 3: talked to my wife, I talked to you know, I
Speaker 3: talked to my friends, just getting it out there how
Speaker 3: I was feeling, and just you know, just being comforted
Speaker 3: by people. You know, that's you know, that's what God
Speaker 3: blesses some people, just to lean on them. And so
Speaker 3: for me, that was something that I had to tap
Speaker 3: into what's people around me so I could just keet
Speaker 3: that ship out of my system. Yeah, yeah, man, it
Speaker 3: was not easy. No, how long have you been how
Speaker 3: long were you a free agent?
Speaker 1: How long was so I've had my first time after
Speaker 1: my five years was Washington. Washington started off free agency
Speaker 1: talking to my agent saying, hey, we have a deal
Speaker 1: on the table for Will. He's not gonna want to accepted,
Speaker 1: but just you know, let us know, keep us, keep
Speaker 1: us in the loop throughout free agency. That essentially meant
Speaker 1: and my agent was like, they're offering you a minimum
Speaker 1: deal and they're gonna wait and see what happens with you.
Speaker 1: And so the Bengals, the Bills, maybe Chicago inquired in
Speaker 1: that during the first wave, but I wasn't. I My
Speaker 1: agent had already prepared me. He's like, hey, you're probably
Speaker 1: gonna be like a second wave guy blah blah blah here.
Speaker 1: So it's going to shake out and lets Washington has
Speaker 1: something for you that's above minimum to compete with. So
Speaker 1: I had to stay patient through that. And then Preston Brown.
Speaker 1: Do you remember Preston Brown? Linebacker? Yeah? Yeah, linebackers right, Oh, no,
Speaker 1: you're thinking Zach Brown. Preston Brown and Zach Brown were
Speaker 1: both on the Bills and led the league, and like tackles,
Speaker 1: Preston went on to sign a big deal with Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: a bigger deal, like I want to say, it was
Speaker 1: like sixteen million dollars when Preston signed that deal with
Speaker 1: Cincinnati and left the Bills. Within that same hour, the
Speaker 1: Bills called. So when the Bills call, I flew out
Speaker 1: to the Bills and this is actually a crazy story.
Speaker 1: I go out to the Buffalo and I'm doing all
Speaker 1: the MRIs and doing all this stuff. And it was
Speaker 1: like me and Kevin Minter out there and we're doing
Speaker 1: all of our MRIs and I had had like a
Speaker 1: spinal cord concussion. Sounds way worse than it actually is.
Speaker 1: Sounds way worse than it actually is, I swear, and
Speaker 1: you have like stinger issues, right, And so I was
Speaker 1: getna see spine MRI, and I got an MRI and
Speaker 1: they saw they found a white mass in my head,
Speaker 1: in my sarahbellum. Yes. And so when I got done
Speaker 1: with that MRI, I go back to the facility with Buffalo.
Speaker 1: Like I'm meeting with the coach. I'm sitting there with
Speaker 1: the line Bayer coach. We're going over all the defenses.
Speaker 1: I met with a coach, Frasier, the decordinator. Awesome by
Speaker 1: the way, he seemed like he's a blast to play
Speaker 1: for it. But we're going over a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: like how you break down how I break down my
Speaker 1: notes to personnel each day? What am I breaking down
Speaker 1: starting throughout the week? He's taking me through all that stuff,
Speaker 1: and I feel like I'm doing awesome. And so I'm
Speaker 1: sitting in the meeting with the Linebeyer coach and we're
Speaker 1: going over everything and watch your tape. They come in,
Speaker 1: the trainer comes in and goes, hey, can we borrow
Speaker 1: Will for a minute. So they take me over to
Speaker 1: the training room and they're like they got my MRI
Speaker 1: up on the board and they're like, do you do
Speaker 1: you see what we're Do you see what we're looking
Speaker 1: at right now? Do you see that white mask in
Speaker 1: the bottom of your head? And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like what is that? And they're like, like, you know
Speaker 1: you could tell he was like step on eggshells and
Speaker 1: he goes, you know, I'm you know, Will, we're not
Speaker 1: talking about we're not talking about playing football anymore. We're
Speaker 1: talking about your life. And I was like what And
Speaker 1: they're like, we don't necessarily know, Like you see how
Speaker 1: the lines around here on isn't defined and in circular
Speaker 1: and you can't like see a contrast here and there.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like up in the air, like we
Speaker 1: think you could have a tumor, like a brain tumor.
Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, I kind of just
Speaker 1: sat there. The motion hadn't hit me yet or nothing
Speaker 1: like that, and not until I call my dad and
Speaker 1: was talking to him about it. But he's like, you know,
Speaker 1: we can treat you out here. We can have you
Speaker 1: go see our neurosurgeon out here, but we think you
Speaker 1: should you probably would want to be around family, Like
Speaker 1: when you're going through this, I'm thinking it's not hitting
Speaker 1: me in the head. I'm just like, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, whatever worse. I'm like, you really think it's
Speaker 1: that serious. He's like, I don't know, because I'm not
Speaker 1: a neuro a surgeon, but I can't identify what this
Speaker 1: is like I usually I usually have some kind of
Speaker 1: grasp and I'm like, fuck man, So I hit up Washington.
Speaker 1: Washington was phenomenal to me. The doctor, the lead doctor there,
Speaker 1: doctor West. I called her and she was like, oh,
Speaker 1: right when you land, they flew me out. I shook
Speaker 1: the linebider Coach's hand and Buffalo and they're like, we
Speaker 1: gotta wait and see what happens, because it seemed like
Speaker 1: I was gonna walk out with some offer. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: they're like, we can't offer you. We got to see
Speaker 1: what happens with this, which I understood. I fled back
Speaker 1: to Washington that night. I go in and get a
Speaker 1: brain amory, the one where they put the they put
Speaker 1: like the fluid or the contrast in the IV so
Speaker 1: it can show all the color and everything kind of
Speaker 1: light up and the MRI neurologists whatever that stuff's called.
Speaker 1: What's a radiologist a neuro radiologist. I go upstairs. As
Speaker 1: I'm going upstairs, and I'm on the phone with doctor West.
Speaker 1: She's kind of talking to me about OST. She's like,
Speaker 1: we don't know what it is, so like let's just
Speaker 1: wait to see what it is, blah blah. I get
Speaker 1: off the phone with her, and then as I'm waiting
Speaker 1: to go upstairs to talk to this radiologist, the assistant comes, Hey,
Speaker 1: he's ready to talk to you. And I'm walking up
Speaker 1: there and I'm outside of this dude's door, the radiologist door.
Speaker 1: He's on the phone with doctor West. He's like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we're looking at like a grade something like tumor.
Speaker 1: Like we're gonna have to probably get this removed immediately.
Speaker 3: As I'm walking in the room. Yeah, and he goes, hey,
Speaker 3: he's here, I'll call you back. He gets on, he
Speaker 3: gets off the phone.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, hey, Doc, what's something. And I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to make this awkward. I just heard
Speaker 1: what you said. Like, let's just I was like, let's
Speaker 1: just get right to it. And he goes, Will what
Speaker 1: you're looking at is he's you know a lot of
Speaker 1: verbiage of like a tumor and how it's cancers, and
Speaker 1: we would have we would need to get it removed
Speaker 1: and look at it in a lap to see how
Speaker 1: dangerous this could be for you. And I'm like, fuck man,
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of sitting there kind of like doing
Speaker 1: what I'm doing now. I'm kind of just gazing, kind
Speaker 1: of like shaking my head. And he was like, you know,
Speaker 1: if if we had to remove this, like everything should
Speaker 1: go well, like it's nothing that where you're like life
Speaker 1: is in jeopardy. We just got to get it removed,
Speaker 1: so your life isn't in jeopardy and he goes, well,
Speaker 1: once we get it removed, you know, you could get
Speaker 1: what's called like some steel plate or something like that,
Speaker 1: and you can probably be back. I was like, hey, doc, man,
Speaker 1: if I got something wrong with my brain and I
Speaker 1: gotta get it removed. And I got to put a
Speaker 1: fucking titanium and amantium plate in my fucking head. Like
Speaker 1: it's not worth going back to the Oklahoma drill right away,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I'll be done playing football.
Speaker 1: It's all good, Like we'll figure this out. Just tell
Speaker 1: me what I need to know, and it's it's all
Speaker 1: good man. And he's like, all right, well, when you
Speaker 1: leave here, called doctor West. She'll talk to you about options.
Speaker 1: I called doctor West. She was like, let's wait until
Speaker 1: the neuro search and sees it tomorrow. We're sending it
Speaker 1: to all these people over in Europe, these people in
Speaker 1: the US blah, while they're taking good care of me.
Speaker 1: Doctor West was taking good care of me as far
Speaker 1: as like distributing the MRI everywhere. And he's like, he
Speaker 1: is a radio a radiologist, a neuro radiologist, so he
Speaker 1: doesn't fully know the answer.
Speaker 3: A neurosurgeon will. And so I'm basically up all night,
Speaker 3: as you can assume.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I told my dad, and I
Speaker 1: was like, don't tell mommy yet, because you know, I
Speaker 1: want to hurt all up in arms and everything else.
Speaker 1: I didn't tell my wife at the time, and the
Speaker 1: next morning the neurosearchon calls and he's like, well, I'm
Speaker 1: sure you've been stressing all stressing all night. This is
Speaker 1: not this is not a tumor. This is a cyst
Speaker 1: that I believe has been in your brain since birth,
Speaker 1: since you're young. He goes, when I look back to
Speaker 1: the old MRIs of your redskin days, I can see
Speaker 1: the white mass in there. They just they must not
Speaker 1: have sought or caught it and obviously didn't bring into
Speaker 1: your attention. And because I had an MRI history obviously,
Speaker 1: and I was like, damn, it's kind of crazy that
Speaker 1: why they didn't, because you heard all this stuff that
Speaker 1: happened with Trent Williams and his brain and everything else
Speaker 1: his said, and so you're like, damn, how do they
Speaker 1: miss something like that? And he's like, it is it
Speaker 1: can be easy to miss. He's like, you know, he was,
Speaker 1: I'm just a listened to it. I do. I am
Speaker 1: surprised that they missed it, but it is something that
Speaker 1: can be easily missed. And he goes, but I am
Speaker 1: very confident. He's like, obviously we can't look at your
Speaker 1: brain the way it was when you were little, he said,
Speaker 1: But this is something that could be pediatric, something that
Speaker 1: is in your head. We just got to monitor every
Speaker 1: six months and make sure it doesn't grow to like
Speaker 1: affect your balance and everything else. So that's my first
Speaker 1: free agency story. A week later, not even a week,
Speaker 1: A couple of days go by, and that's when the
Speaker 1: Titans called, call my agent, Hey, what happened with Will
Speaker 1: out in Buffalo? And they like something had to be
Speaker 1: up because he didn't you know nothing, there's no there's
Speaker 1: no communication that's going on. There's no headlines about any
Speaker 1: rumors of him signing. And you know, Neil, he was
Speaker 1: just you know, being an agent, so I don't really
Speaker 1: know what all he was saying. He's like, well, we'd
Speaker 1: like to fly him out here. I fly out here
Speaker 1: to Tennessee. I talk with them, we go over all
Speaker 1: the scans and everything else, and you know, Todd Torrissel,
Speaker 1: he was like, you know this, you'll be fine, Like
Speaker 1: we gotta hopefully you don't leave the building type of thing.
Speaker 1: And my agent call Buffalo, and Buffalo is like, based
Speaker 1: on what our doctors have been saying, we feel confident
Speaker 1: on where we're at, So we're not going to offer
Speaker 1: him anything. Just keep us in a loop if this
Speaker 1: continues to go forward. They didn't offer me any more
Speaker 1: than like a minimum, I believe. But I had signed
Speaker 1: with the Titans and that was kind of my first
Speaker 1: That was like I was like a second wave beginning
Speaker 1: a third wave at that time. Then I had my
Speaker 1: one year with the Titans. When I'm on with the Titans,
Speaker 1: they draft for Shawn Evans in the first round and
Speaker 1: the spot that I'm competing with.
Speaker 3: So I already, like you were saying earlier, I already
Speaker 3: knew a time. I already knew a time.
Speaker 1: Well, he was gonna play, no matter how good of
Speaker 1: a preseason or training camp I had, or ots and
Speaker 1: none of that stuff. But and then the next year
Speaker 1: that was only one year deal. And then the next
Speaker 1: year is when we kind of started busting with the boys.
Speaker 1: I was kind of contemplating, like this might be it
Speaker 1: because I didn't get a chance to play at all,
Speaker 1: Like I didn't get a chance to put anything on
Speaker 1: tape as a linebacker. I was a backup and starter.
Speaker 1: And you know, fortunately for like Rashawn and everybody else
Speaker 1: in my situation, you would need somebody to get hurt
Speaker 1: to get on the field, and nobody had gotten hurt
Speaker 1: that year. So the next year I knew that I
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna be like I was gonna be a vet
Speaker 1: minimum guy. It'd be somebody who were if the team
Speaker 1: knew of me, they already knew like what I was
Speaker 1: gonna bring to the table. So it was gonna be
Speaker 1: a one year minimum, and I was gonna skip OTA's
Speaker 1: in training camp and try to get on before week one.
Speaker 1: That's when I went with the Saints. I goes just
Speaker 1: there for a couple of coffee. I caught it ankle
Speaker 1: sprain in the fourth preseason game. I got there forty
Speaker 1: eight hours before the third game played in. It played solid.
Speaker 1: They moved me up to one base and they were
Speaker 1: going to continue to knock the rust off of me
Speaker 1: so I could get ready for Week one. Because their
Speaker 1: starter head went down and then I heard my ankle,
Speaker 1: so I already figured they waived me on an injury settlement.
Speaker 1: I got that taken care of, and then that's when
Speaker 1: I signed with the Raiders in nineteen. Finished out that year,
Speaker 1: got to play some games. I was on the Titans,
Speaker 1: and then back to the Raiders Spass year. So after
Speaker 1: that first year of free agency, I kind of already
Speaker 1: knew where I would be labeled or what bucket I
Speaker 1: would be. And the only time I figured I might
Speaker 1: be able to get something is after I played for
Speaker 1: the Raiders. But then that COVID year hit, and it
Speaker 1: seems like it messed up a lot of free agency,
Speaker 1: not that I would have got had a lot of
Speaker 1: money or anything about it. Like, if there's a chance
Speaker 1: for me to not make minimum, this would be a
Speaker 1: one year case where I would probably That's when I came.
Speaker 3: I came out of Kobe year, and the salary trunk
Speaker 3: which steals baffled me to this day because you remember
Speaker 3: when they announced the sealer cap went down. There announced
Speaker 3: a big TV deal right that the NFL is going up,
Speaker 3: So it's like, how does the salary cap go down
Speaker 3: but money more money comes about.
Speaker 1: And that's when we were negotiating as players against the league,
Speaker 1: our new CBA. What did you vote? I voted. I
Speaker 1: voted against going into like a lockout. I wanted us
Speaker 1: not to sign into the deal. Yeah, okay, yeah you
Speaker 1: want to know, Yes, good, I didn't want Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: at the UH we're at the thing and and Shurm's
Speaker 1: talking and you've been around Sherm a lot. Were you
Speaker 1: at that same Were you at the names of Miami.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right when COVID happened, Like they was going on.
Speaker 3: The owners gave us a deadline during right after our meeting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and COVID ultimately happened and kind of played it
Speaker 1: like just there's a lot of fear mongering going on.
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting there trying to tell Sherm because Sharm's
Speaker 1: arguing the same thing for us, but we're like fifty
Speaker 1: to fifty with the players, and it's like, Bro, we're
Speaker 1: arguing about the dumbes shit. They're creating this deadline just
Speaker 1: to make it seem like we got to make a
Speaker 1: decision right now. And Bro, what they were doing.
Speaker 3: You saw like the narratives that like they were putting
Speaker 3: out there, like oh, there will be.
Speaker 1: No more marijuana, no more marijuana.
Speaker 3: Testing or failures, and guys would get more money. It
Speaker 3: was like the Nier thousand.
Speaker 1: They were saying, we will give guys one hundred thousand
Speaker 1: dollars and you know the majority of the NFL, those
Speaker 1: guys who are in that three year average range. Young
Speaker 1: guys who are not around long. They're gonna take that
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars because I think that's what we
Speaker 1: need this.
Speaker 3: And then what they fail to realize they're adding an
Speaker 3: extra game, They're adding extra playoff team. Like, guys don't
Speaker 3: realize like the amount of volume that's going to be taken,
Speaker 3: like charis are going to be even more shortened because
Speaker 3: we're adding more more stuff to our to our bodies
Speaker 3: and so bro, like guys like everybody signed yes.
Speaker 1: And you said really barely was it? It was like,
Speaker 1: do you guys remember I Bro?
Speaker 3: It was like.
Speaker 1: It was close. It was like some guys didn't vote,
Speaker 1: so yeah, a lot of guys that yeah, some guys
Speaker 1: didn't vote, which is a big, a nice handful. But
Speaker 1: it was like, I want to say, maybe three hundred
Speaker 1: votes or I might be budgeting. It was that close.
Speaker 1: But it was that close. Have fun over those in
Speaker 1: the NFLPA rooms. To me, not a lot was getting
Speaker 1: done now. It wanted to get done, but we have
Speaker 1: a lot. We have a lot of player like yeah,
Speaker 1: go ahead.
Speaker 3: So many voices, it's like so many opinions, this guy's
Speaker 3: think this. There's so many guys making you know, fifteen
Speaker 3: plus million dollars, then you got the guys making a
Speaker 3: million dollars, just like this is how I feel, but
Speaker 3: this is what this is how you should feel. And
Speaker 3: it's it's like it's just a lot of guys, a
Speaker 3: lot of guys trying to talk in the big room.
Speaker 1: Then you break up in the my crow rooms, and
Speaker 1: that's where that's where, like, if I had something to say,
Speaker 1: I will wait till micro room, because in the big rooms,
Speaker 1: like everyone's trying to peacock a little bit. Some guys
Speaker 1: are talking to their own personal matters, Like some dudes
Speaker 1: are wanting to call out people that are on the
Speaker 1: board because hey, that was wild too that all was
Speaker 1: going down. But some people want to call out dudes
Speaker 1: on the board and check them and kind of look like,
Speaker 1: you know, I remember when Pouncey was calling.
Speaker 3: Out uh Don Davis, Ye, Don Davis. But there's just
Speaker 3: a lot of likes. It's hard to just dive into.
Speaker 1: I don't really remember what he'll say because a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff's moving so fast. But I remember sitting back
Speaker 1: being like this is so fucking stupid because we're not
Speaker 1: talking about actual matters that we need to be talking about,
Speaker 1: Like to me, Saran would say a lot of good stuff,
Speaker 1: and Sheran would be somebody I would try and like
Speaker 1: introduce myself to and talk to around in the hallways
Speaker 1: because he's like he's like he's very rational, Like he's
Speaker 1: a very smart dude. He's like in the agents and
Speaker 1: negotiates his own deals. I don't know how great it
Speaker 1: actually is for him compared to what an age would do,
Speaker 1: but he's a very smart cat who talks calmly, tries
Speaker 1: not to yell, and a lot of guys are in
Speaker 1: there trying to fucking stand up and yell, and it's
Speaker 1: just like so dumb. And then my ass, we're in
Speaker 1: the micro stuff on my boys, we gotta storm the
Speaker 1: fucking beach man. We gotta hold off because we got
Speaker 1: long snappers or guys are on practice squad that are there,
Speaker 1: not that they shouldn't be there, because I was a
Speaker 1: peace squad guy and I was somebody who rallied for like,
Speaker 1: you know, we got to make sure practice squad years
Speaker 1: can count for guys eventually, but they were like peace
Speaker 1: squad guys are was like, man, I'm gonna vote, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna vote. Agreed, to the deal because man, I need
Speaker 1: a job, and it's like, Bro, it's way bigger that.
Speaker 1: It's bigger than you, Bro, bigger than that. And but
Speaker 1: every every every CBA, like I hear the same stories.
Speaker 3: There's just so many voices, so many opinions, and it's
Speaker 3: just we just end up falling for it and the
Speaker 3: owners end up winning every time.
Speaker 1: To me, the issue is when we have our NFLPA
Speaker 1: meetings during the season, guys don't necessarily care to be
Speaker 1: there because it's after practice. The NFLPA reps are there,
Speaker 1: they're going through stuff. A lot of guys don't give
Speaker 1: a shit. They want to know about their mad In check,
Speaker 1: the document. Yeah, are we gonna get our ten thousand
Speaker 1: dollars matt In check or something like that. And guys
Speaker 1: are ready because you've had a long day at the
Speaker 1: office all day long. It's probably like five PM, and
Speaker 1: guys are like ready to go. And it's usually, you know,
Speaker 1: you have those I don't know how often they are,
Speaker 1: but I know usually by the time you have them
Speaker 1: and they're important, it's dark outside by five pm, so
Speaker 1: it's later in the year and guys are just ready
Speaker 1: to go, and then all of a sudden, we have
Speaker 1: our PA meetings, which I think all guys need to
Speaker 1: go to because there's a lot of good information there
Speaker 1: and you ask questions. You get in these micro groups,
Speaker 1: but all of a sudden, everyone cares when you go
Speaker 1: to the meeting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's just like the wild wild West when
Speaker 3: everybody gets in those rooms.
Speaker 1: I think it's good learning. And we're talking about this
Speaker 1: one specific situation because there's a deadline. Let's just say
Speaker 1: we're all meeting there on March tenth, and say the
Speaker 1: deadline is March thirteenth. So votes are happening as we
Speaker 1: are in meeting room, and there were already like fifty
Speaker 1: percent of the votes were already had happened before we're
Speaker 1: doing the NFLPA meetings, and so there's a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff that can get huge. There's a couple of young
Speaker 1: guys that are saying there with me that hey, comp
Speaker 1: I fucked up, man, Like I'll vote my vote bak.
Speaker 3: A lot of guys wanted to take their vote back,
Speaker 3: a lot of yes, a lot of guys wanted to
Speaker 3: redo their vote.
Speaker 1: But it's because the owners, which is it is what
Speaker 1: it is. There's thirty two owners and there's you know,
Speaker 1: over one thousand, two thousand players, right, and the owners
Speaker 1: are billionaires. There are people who understand negotiating. They're understand people.
Speaker 1: They will understand leverage to the to the most elite level.
Speaker 1: And we don't like players, don't. We don't at all.
Speaker 1: We're players. We think we know.
Speaker 3: And once you get talking lockout and there won't be
Speaker 3: a season, guys start getting a little shaky, like oh fuck,
Speaker 3: like what's the line where I signed? And so they
Speaker 3: know like guys are on you know, minimum contracts, So
Speaker 3: guys need their jobs, right, and so they understand the
Speaker 3: power of patients.
Speaker 1: Right, and the coaches already established during this time, coaches
Speaker 1: are kind of, hey, if you guys don't show up,
Speaker 1: you feed into those young guys or depth players that
Speaker 1: might not have a job. Right. So it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: if so and so showing up, you know we're gonna
Speaker 1: roll with whoever does come. And so young guys who
Speaker 1: are coming in the league, like I would probably say
Speaker 1: my rookie year, second year self, I'm like, man, I
Speaker 1: want to be in the league. You're like, you don't
Speaker 1: know what to do? Do I listen to a vet
Speaker 1: like kJ My coach is kind of in my ear
Speaker 1: saying you know, if you're not here, that's not a
Speaker 1: good look for you. And you're like, it's my career
Speaker 1: about to be over with if I don't show up
Speaker 1: and I get with these guys, because if I go
Speaker 1: with the fellas, if I go with the boys, and
Speaker 1: my job might be gone. Like am I taking care
Speaker 1: of that? Answer ultimately is like no. So it's just
Speaker 1: I am pro player, and like the scope of it
Speaker 1: is big, and it's like there will be Like I
Speaker 1: remember when I was saying the whole you know, we
Speaker 1: need to storm the beach and stuff like that, and somebody,
Speaker 1: some kid was like, you know, we got certain jobs.
Speaker 1: I was like, bro, there will be casualties, but that
Speaker 1: but that's the truth. That is the truth. So like
Speaker 1: that's just like, bro, there there there's gonna be sacrifice
Speaker 1: had like and no, and.
Speaker 3: Who and who's willing to say I don't want to
Speaker 3: be that guy, right exactly, and so willing to do
Speaker 3: that right And I don't.
Speaker 1: Mind that dude saying that. I understand that's history and
Speaker 1: everything else. It's just these are the facts or what's
Speaker 1: gonna happen if we go throughout and do this. I
Speaker 1: was about it because I'm in the back end and
Speaker 1: everything else, So I have my own version. You said
Speaker 1: that the owners always win. Where do you think have
Speaker 1: there been where the players have one?
Speaker 3: Yes, Well, let's let's understand, like we're we're winning too.
Speaker 3: We're winning too, And it's just the sense of like
Speaker 3: the revenue split, Like the revenue split to my my
Speaker 3: not fifty one forty nine. I person believe we should
Speaker 3: be fifty fifty partners, Like why are we not fifty
Speaker 3: fifty partners? And obviously the salary, the salary goes up
Speaker 3: every year. We winning in that sense, and we won
Speaker 3: with with the like the padded prices. Like remember back
Speaker 3: in the day, it was like two days, three days banging.
Speaker 3: I wasn't there then, but I heard stories. And so
Speaker 3: we're winning. But I believe that we can get so
Speaker 3: much more power. Like the franchise tag. I believe that
Speaker 3: just needs to get rid of that because it's the
Speaker 3: press is the market, if that makes sense, Like it's
Speaker 3: a press the market. Get rid of the franchise tag,
Speaker 3: and there's some other things that we can win at.
Speaker 3: So I feel like we're equal, you know, on the
Speaker 3: same plan field as owners.
Speaker 1: Or at least do away with the other tags that
Speaker 1: come after the franchise tag, Like there's a transitional tag,
Speaker 1: there's like you can be tagged what a couple of times.
Speaker 3: Even for like the undrafted free agents. The what's the
Speaker 3: thing when they get with the draft, when they get
Speaker 3: tender you, Oh, yeah, I was, yeah, I was a
Speaker 3: restricted free agent. Brother, I don't even understand why the
Speaker 3: tender exists. Can you slain the tender? Like it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: for undrafted guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So when I was undrafted, you sign a one
Speaker 1: year or a three year deal. You don't sign a
Speaker 1: four year like all the other rookies. To get to
Speaker 1: free agency, you need four seasons. You need four seasons
Speaker 1: under your belt to get the free agency. So when
Speaker 1: your deal is up as a like an undrafted guy,
Speaker 1: it's only three years. So that fourth year they have
Speaker 1: the ability to restrict you in so you're gonna be
Speaker 1: a free agent. But you're a restricted free agent. Now
Speaker 1: what happens is you either get labeled first round tender,
Speaker 1: a second round tender, or a low round tender a
Speaker 1: first round tender. The money's obviously higher. And if I
Speaker 1: first round tender, kJ Wright and I'm the raiders. I
Speaker 1: would have to come correct with at least a first
Speaker 1: round draft pick to trade to negotiate and get you.
Speaker 1: If it's a second round, I need to have at
Speaker 1: least a second round pick to negotiate with kJ. I
Speaker 1: believe that's what it is. It's something like that. A
Speaker 1: low round goes on the round you were drafted, so
Speaker 1: I got low round tender, so I'm go unadrafted. I
Speaker 1: can be negotiating with other teams, but the team has
Speaker 1: the right of first refusal and they got to give
Speaker 1: up that draft pick to get you, right, they have
Speaker 1: to give up something to get you, so they kind
Speaker 1: of lock you in. Now, what sucked for me is
Speaker 1: all on Peace Squad for the first year, so even
Speaker 1: though it counts as a credited season, it's not an
Speaker 1: accrude season. The difference is accredited season is three games
Speaker 1: and an accrude season is eight or seven on a
Speaker 1: crude season is seven or eight games, Alex to look
Speaker 1: that up, Like, well, we continue to talk about it,
Speaker 1: but when I was a Peace Squad player, my first
Speaker 1: year gets counted as a credited year towards benefits, but
Speaker 1: it doesn't get counted as an accrude season. Towards free agency.
Speaker 1: So by the time my contract was up with the
Speaker 1: Redskins that was three years. Only two were accrued. The
Speaker 1: third one was credited because my I was practice squad.
Speaker 1: So my fourth year was an exclusive rights free agent,
Speaker 1: meaning no one gets to deal with you, and they
Speaker 1: get to offer you, and I essentially have to accept
Speaker 1: whatever they offer. So it's a one year minimum. So
Speaker 1: they gave me a one year minimum. You know the
Speaker 1: social media all we signed will con to. Everybody was
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, yeah, and it's like, bro, it's like
Speaker 1: a one year six deal. And at this point, I
Speaker 1: think I had just started my ten games. The next year,
Speaker 1: I was captain and starters. So I'm playing on a
Speaker 1: one year, six hundred thousand dollars deal. Once exclusive rights
Speaker 1: is up. That's my third recruit season. Now, going into
Speaker 1: my fifth year, I'm a restricted free agent. You're not
Speaker 1: even unrestricted, not even unrestricted yet. I got to go
Speaker 1: through exclusive, so then restricted, and then I get to unrestricted.
Speaker 1: There it goes. So then I was restricted, they low
Speaker 1: round tender me. I play out that year and then
Speaker 1: I was unrestricted. You're getting older and at that point,
Speaker 1: but I had my unrestricted free agency I was like
Speaker 1: twenty seven. I believe when I came to the tight
Speaker 1: it's twenty seven to twenty eight years old. I was
Speaker 1: turning twenty something like that, but still still doing it man,
Speaker 1: at a high level. Yeah, they were trying to hold
Speaker 1: me back, right, got to get your albums out to right, right.
Speaker 1: And then coming into the league at twenty three, I
Speaker 1: was like a fifth year senior coming into the league,
Speaker 1: like an older guy anyway, coming into the league. So yeah,
Speaker 1: but they get all the mears on you.
Speaker 3: Then we signed, we signed ten year contracts. I still
Speaker 3: understand why the hill is so long. That's so man,
Speaker 3: we got we got a lot of work to do,
Speaker 3: and we came. We've came a long way. Like you
Speaker 3: imagine where they were like back in the day, Like
Speaker 3: they couldn't even hit free agency like back in the day,
Speaker 3: like the teams had your rights your whole career. So
Speaker 3: we definitely made progress over the years, but we can
Speaker 3: still we can still do way more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've we have came a long way, definitely not
Speaker 1: neglecting that. But there are a lot of things like
Speaker 1: the last CBA, we screwed ourselves because we wanted the
Speaker 1: vet players to we raise the level of the minimum
Speaker 1: for them, which in turn we thought was better, but
Speaker 1: it kind of fucked that middle You had the you
Speaker 1: had the guys just on the big deals, and then
Speaker 1: that middle class, uh was getting very squeezed because it
Speaker 1: wasn't forced out the league. Right, you get forced out
Speaker 1: the league because you can just get a young guy
Speaker 1: if I'm a little bit better than a young guy.
Speaker 1: Let's say Jack comes in the league as a draft pick,
Speaker 1: as a seventh round pick, right, or you have a
Speaker 1: seventh round pick, my bad, no disrespect, brother, you have
Speaker 1: a draft pick.
Speaker 3: Right that you can use, And I'm a one year
Speaker 3: I'm now a veteran, so you have to me a
Speaker 3: VET minimum, which we all get now.
Speaker 1: So my one year VET minimum this year is like
Speaker 1: one year close to a million dollars nine hundred and
Speaker 1: some thousand. So if I know I'm gonna be a
Speaker 1: one year VET, the coaches might love me. They know
Speaker 1: what I bring to the table, the leadership, all the
Speaker 1: intangible stuff. Right. But if you're a GM and you're
Speaker 1: the guy who gets to pick in the draft and
Speaker 1: build your team for the future, I know you all
Speaker 1: love Will and he might be a little bit better
Speaker 1: than this low round pick. But this low round pick
Speaker 1: is going to be four hundred thousand dollars four five
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars. So all that matters is I'm showing
Speaker 1: the owner the bottom line and we might take a
Speaker 1: little dip in him as a player. But if Will's
Speaker 1: not going to be a starter, he's going to be
Speaker 1: a death player. We can get a rookie. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: can get a rookie. You play special teams and it's
Speaker 1: on you guys to develop him. You guys can't develop him.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna cover my ass and you guys
Speaker 1: will probably get fired. But that's ultimately how that shit
Speaker 1: works too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is nuts and so and what they did
Speaker 3: also was they gave a lot of the money to
Speaker 3: the quarterbacks. We thought in this new deal like always
Speaker 3: gonna help out the vets. They just gave all this
Speaker 3: shit to the quarterback, right, those top positions that you need,
Speaker 3: they just they just paid them in their markets. They
Speaker 3: markets really increase. So with the middle guys, it was
Speaker 3: a beast. And so if you win, like the elite
Speaker 3: of the league, right, and.
Speaker 1: Quarterbacks are in a category of their own because they
Speaker 1: negotiate kind of percentages of like what the cap can be, right,
Speaker 1: mm hmm, So, like I know kirk, Kirk was trying
Speaker 1: to change the narrative of being like getting guaranteed deals
Speaker 1: taking less of the top end the show. Hey, we
Speaker 1: can get guaranteed deals, full guaranteed, fully guaranteed, but you
Speaker 1: need guys to guys like, why don't we have guarantee contracts.
Speaker 1: It's like it's not in the NBA's CBA to have
Speaker 1: guaranteed contracts. The players just set that standard. So you
Speaker 1: need guys. Say you get an offered to do five
Speaker 1: years one hundred million dollars, but eighty of it's guaranteed,
Speaker 1: you would have to be willing to go like four
Speaker 1: years sixty million dollars fully guaranteed, guaranteed. The guys want
Speaker 1: that extra boost to get up to one hundred, Which
Speaker 1: you can't hate them because we're all playing the selfish
Speaker 1: game anyway. But if we're truly wanting the greater good
Speaker 1: for what the players are gonna do, those are the
Speaker 1: standards you kind of have to set. Not too many
Speaker 1: people got their mindset. Not too many people got that mindset.
Speaker 1: Probably nobody got that mindset.
Speaker 3: Like it's like in this league man, like this, our
Speaker 3: window is so short, and it's like not too many
Speaker 3: guys that willn't be that sacrificial lamp because I gotta
Speaker 3: I gotta get it.
Speaker 1: I got a family to feed, right, and so I
Speaker 1: get it.
Speaker 3: But if we really want to see true change, like
Speaker 3: guys gotta be able to do certain stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Be out in front. But right, but that kind of
Speaker 1: plays against us in the same breath, because that is
Speaker 1: why we don't necessarily get up to the guaranteed contracts,
Speaker 1: because we are a injury rate, like we are the
Speaker 1: most injured physical, violent sport. So that does play against us,
Speaker 1: like a baseball player and everything else. You kind of
Speaker 1: it's kind of you understand the layout of somebody's future. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what happened to Earl.
Speaker 3: Well, most guys with Earl, like most guys don't want
Speaker 3: to go into that last year of their deal, Like
Speaker 3: y'alls want to get paid beforehand. So you got that,
Speaker 3: you know, you got that that security, and so Earl,
Speaker 3: the Seahawks didn't pay Earl, you know, going to this
Speaker 3: last year and so during his contract year that's when
Speaker 3: he that's when he got hurt.
Speaker 1: And so sorry, it's the business. We won.
Speaker 3: Essentially we won. And yeah, that's when he went to
Speaker 3: the Ravens after that. And so if you can man
Speaker 3: get that deal done, but mostly guys don't got that
Speaker 3: kind of power, like, oh, I'm going to get this done,
Speaker 3: like only a select few can actually do that.
Speaker 1: And so he was pissed. But that's the risk of
Speaker 1: betting or yourself if you don't get it done. If
Speaker 1: you get it done early, if Earl would have done
Speaker 1: it early, you're taking that hometown discount no matter what happens,
Speaker 1: because you're not going to the market, do you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying? Yes and no.
Speaker 3: For example, what Bobby did Bobby Bobby signed a year before.
Speaker 3: Bobby reset the market.
Speaker 1: Right because he is the he's like, yeah, the best
Speaker 1: linebacker in the league. He gets to reset the market.
Speaker 1: But on the other end of the table, they have
Speaker 1: a better grasp of knowing where that market could be.
Speaker 3: If he would have waited to get to Old Yeah,
Speaker 3: because after Bobby signed, then the Fred Warners came and
Speaker 3: the Darius Leonards.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but this was the legion of boom era,
Speaker 1: which you can talk about. But there's so many guys
Speaker 1: like I'm sure. He was in the middle of a deal.
Speaker 3: You got Bobby Wagner under contract, you got Sure, you
Speaker 3: got Cam, you got all these dudes.
Speaker 1: You I mean yeah, this yeah, this was later. This
Speaker 1: was later that. There may have been Earl's eighth year.
Speaker 1: It was like later on.
Speaker 3: It wasn't his first go round. Yeah, his first go round.
Speaker 3: I believe he got paid a year before. And all
Speaker 3: good things come to an end. Things can't have the
Speaker 3: kJ right on his rookie deal forever. You can't have
Speaker 3: all these guys on their deals, because it's not for
Speaker 3: everybody to get paid and get what they're worth and
Speaker 3: their value.
Speaker 1: But talk about your legion of dude, I don't even
Speaker 1: know what specifically we can talk about how you guys
Speaker 1: should have handled the ball to Marshall.
Speaker 3: Lynch Man, I was surrounded by some freaking superstars, but
Speaker 3: I did I didn't even realize, like these my boys,
Speaker 3: like you know, Cam, you know, these the homies, like
Speaker 3: we came.
Speaker 1: In here together. But when you like look at it,
Speaker 1: like we were like the Beatles.
Speaker 3: Saying that, and it's like when we stepped on the field,
Speaker 3: it's like you could like lowk you see, like guys
Speaker 3: who like intimidated to play against US. Guys knew, like
Speaker 3: y'all don't, they don't stand a chance. And I was
Speaker 3: just surrounded by greatness, just surrounded by greatness, and we
Speaker 3: just kicked ass for a solid five years.
Speaker 1: Who was your UH coordinator of the majority of those years?
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Gus was the first two, but Dan Quinn was is Dan?
Speaker 3: Does he have a similar style as Gus?
Speaker 1: Same thing? Your over covered three, they're the same style. Oh,
Speaker 1: coach O. It was good that you guys were able
Speaker 1: to pick up where you left off and being able
Speaker 1: to speak on that like this. The simplicity of being
Speaker 1: able to have few calls, but at the same time
Speaker 1: there's a lot of different wrinkles and you go tendency
Speaker 1: to Tennessee weekend and week out. I think that's what
Speaker 1: sets that defense US Bradley and those kind of methods apart,
Speaker 1: because you're able to be an offensive coordinator while you're playing.
Speaker 1: Because you don't know you're gonna play aertain amount of calls.
Speaker 3: You get to jiggy rig your defense based off what
Speaker 3: the offense is doing. So you don't got to like, oh,
Speaker 3: this year, this week, we're going palms, next week, going quarters,
Speaker 3: we go run cover three. But to what they do,
Speaker 3: We're gonna just something. I need the buzzer to do this.
Speaker 3: I need the hook player to play it like this.
Speaker 3: And so yeah, man, we had a good ass time. Bro,
Speaker 3: you guys were so good.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: We had a good time, man. And it's like the
Speaker 3: crazy part about all of it is like it went.
Speaker 1: By way too fast.
Speaker 3: Like I thought I was gonna play with like these
Speaker 3: guys my whole career, Like we came in together, We're
Speaker 3: gonna go out together.
Speaker 1: How long did you guys get to play together? God
Speaker 1: left differently.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Cliff had injured his neck, Cam injured his neck,
Speaker 3: shar him towards Achilles Earl broke his leg.
Speaker 1: I left. It all happened like boom boom, boom boom.
Speaker 1: That's the fucking realization of this league. Yeah, injuries and yeah,
Speaker 1: leaving at different times. And I vividly remember watching the
Speaker 1: game the game you guys, because I want to ask
Speaker 1: about how tight you guys all actually were. It seems
Speaker 1: like you guys were all super close by the time,
Speaker 1: Like I forget who made a mistake, but something happened
Speaker 1: and you everyone's jumping around that dude brothers the Falcons game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: got mad? I think so? Yeah? I mean what was
Speaker 1: playing the Falcons?
Speaker 3: And all week we went over this concept like they're
Speaker 3: about to do this play here, we hear the play call,
Speaker 3: the formation comes and tight ends went up the same
Speaker 3: as white ass hoping and can'd.
Speaker 1: You get mad thinking about it? White ass open man?
Speaker 3: We get on the sideline and he was mad, like
Speaker 3: what are we mad about? Like we practiced. We practiced
Speaker 3: this all week and we were just like Cam got
Speaker 3: a hold of Shir and Bobby got over there and
Speaker 3: we was just jumping and jumping and jumping, and like
Speaker 3: this just shows the power of like how much we
Speaker 3: love each other when we could take you know, one
Speaker 3: of our boys that's just pissed off and like make
Speaker 3: everything cool and we end up winning the game.
Speaker 1: Damn. Yeah, that was super dope to see. Were you
Speaker 1: guys all that tight? Yes?
Speaker 3: It was like watch film together at linebacker night together,
Speaker 3: had deepensive night together, and like eventually we started having families,
Speaker 3: like everybody's having kids around the same time with each
Speaker 3: other's weddings, and so it was like super cool to
Speaker 3: see like like minded dudes that loved each other play
Speaker 3: together like I believe that's what makes like a special
Speaker 3: like units like actually loved Bobby, and I'm like, I'm
Speaker 3: playing for this dude.
Speaker 1: I'm playing for his family, And if.
Speaker 3: I fuck up, I feel bad that I'm letting him
Speaker 3: down because he puts so much work into it. If
Speaker 3: I if I blow a coverage, I know they can
Speaker 3: like me, like like you better than that. And I
Speaker 3: don't want to let my boys down. And so that
Speaker 3: was the power of what we had. And like I said, man,
Speaker 3: it went by way too fast, by way too fast. Yeah, no,
Speaker 3: that is uh, it's like a rare thing.
Speaker 1: You guys got to be part of, like a rare thing,
Speaker 1: especially in the NFL because of all the turnover and
Speaker 1: everybody coming in and out, like being able to stick
Speaker 1: together and have like a college high school ish typemaraderie
Speaker 1: of playing at the highest level. Yeah. Then Pete like
Speaker 1: structured it.
Speaker 3: He was like, dude, is super cool, like playing music
Speaker 3: at every practice, We shoot hoops every every meeting, were
Speaker 3: shooting hoops, like having competition like we had like n
Speaker 3: CUAA tournaments like in like OTAs and stuff, and so
Speaker 3: like the structure that he created for us to like
Speaker 3: be ourselves to be cool to talk shit, you know,
Speaker 3: had little sculfus that practice and you know, let it
Speaker 3: go on a little longer than.
Speaker 1: It should, Like he did stuff like that, And so
Speaker 1: what was that like when y'all lost or when you
Speaker 1: guys had losing patches or rough patches because a lot
Speaker 1: of things, you know, you'll see coaches come in and
Speaker 1: if the coach is bad, take the ping pong tables out,
Speaker 1: take this out, like there's having too much fun, Like
Speaker 1: it's not supposed to be this way type of thing.
Speaker 1: Like what was it like when you guys were going
Speaker 1: through rough patches?
Speaker 3: Not only the good it would get tight, but the
Speaker 3: course stayed the same, like we were still who we
Speaker 3: would still do whatever, but shit got tightened up and
Speaker 3: you could feel the tension like like, no, we one
Speaker 3: game is too much? Two games is you know, unheard
Speaker 3: of losing two games and what was unheard of? And
Speaker 3: so like we would still have our fun, but we
Speaker 3: tightened it up the way that it should have been
Speaker 3: in order to get back on track.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Let's uh, let's just hit on it. The
Speaker 1: Super Bowl Marshall Lynch, Yeah, passing the ball interception? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what was that emotion, and like said, I've witnessed your
Speaker 1: emotion a little bit being in the Chargers game and
Speaker 1: giving up that ship at the end. What was that emotional?
Speaker 1: It's funny, what was that emotion? Like when y'all are
Speaker 1: right fucking there first.
Speaker 3: Preplay attitude, I was screaming, why are we in shotgun?
Speaker 1: Oh? So you guys weren't even so Like I'm sure
Speaker 1: you were thinking, oh, we're winning this fucking game, but
Speaker 1: you were. You were upset just by saying shotgun, screaming
Speaker 1: why are we in shotgun? And because we was, we
Speaker 1: was right there second down, I believe, like while the
Speaker 1: helloween shotgun and then the boss gets snapped and it's
Speaker 1: just so unreal. Just like if we do that play
Speaker 1: a hundred times, we executed ninety seven times. It's a
Speaker 1: pick play pick the guy run the slant, you should
Speaker 1: be wide open. But how Malcolm did that is it's
Speaker 1: like a Superman play. It's like the honk the dudes,
Speaker 1: like the hunk on the player. He literally ran through
Speaker 1: it happened to catch it.
Speaker 3: That's nothing but God. That's nothing but God. Bro, that
Speaker 3: wasn't him. There's nothing but God. And just just to
Speaker 3: go on that locker room like it was Boohoo crying.
Speaker 3: I never cried in the NFL career. Was boo crying?
Speaker 3: Like how did this happen? I should be back to
Speaker 3: back champion right now?
Speaker 1: I know, because y'all beat the hell out of who
Speaker 1: was the year before? It was really being the Patriots?
Speaker 1: What was being the Patriots?
Speaker 3: But like two touchdowns and the third quarter, I believe
Speaker 3: maybe the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: You know, terrific Tom comes comes through, talk about who
Speaker 1: lady too? Great? Yeah, that's a good point, Tom Brady.
Speaker 3: I knew it was going in the Broncos game with Brady,
Speaker 3: it was just like they don't run like a traditional
Speaker 3: style offense.
Speaker 1: It's like they kind of do like they adapt every week,
Speaker 1: adapt every week. And with the runner back, I forget
Speaker 1: the running back they had.
Speaker 3: They threw to him a lot that game and obviously
Speaker 3: got drunk and Edelman and there's just so much stuff
Speaker 3: that they can do. And I knew this was gonna
Speaker 3: be a battle facing those dudes. And I knew that
Speaker 3: on defense they had some dogs on defense too, Chanla Jones,
Speaker 3: Darrell Reeves was over there, Brandon Browner, So I like, okay,
Speaker 3: our offense, you know they got their hands for too,
Speaker 3: and so I knew the Patrins games will be its
Speaker 3: gonna be tough.
Speaker 1: Did you guys just know you're gonna beat the Broncos?
Speaker 1: Because like Manning was just kind of.
Speaker 3: Just watch the film you could tell like yeah about
Speaker 3: way and it was watching the Broncos it was really
Speaker 3: bad defense. It was gonna see some really bad defenses
Speaker 3: that year. Like what the who are they playing? And
Speaker 3: so we knew that they saw a defense that that
Speaker 3: wasn't even close to ours, you know what I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 3: And so we knew that when we stepped on the field,
Speaker 3: like with all due respect.
Speaker 1: Respect man, this this is not gonna be closed. Let's
Speaker 1: touch on a little bit about your first year coming
Speaker 1: into the league, because when I was looking at looking
Speaker 1: over stuff, I remember loafing to Tupou. My god, he
Speaker 1: didn't uh he got released? Was it year rookie year? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It was like during training camp, training camp, and then
Speaker 1: also you're playing a couple of different positions they put
Speaker 1: you in, Mike. Also, Aaron Curry was on that team,
Speaker 1: somebody who he was a first rounder coming out of
Speaker 1: Wake for somebody who was supposed to be like you know,
Speaker 1: like a Pete Willis type thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he might have been before pe Willis. I can't remember. No,
Speaker 3: he was after pet Willis. Right, what was explain your
Speaker 3: rookie year. I came in during the lockout year, So
Speaker 3: I came in no OTAs and I was just chilling
Speaker 3: at home. Then the A deal gets signed, Hey, get
Speaker 3: your ass up here tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I'm like what?
Speaker 3: And so I had to literally pack all myself and
Speaker 3: go to Seattle like the next day. So that's the
Speaker 3: whole whirlwind in itself. And then I came in the
Speaker 3: way that I earned my starring spot was David Hawthorne
Speaker 3: had got hurt during training camp. They put me at
Speaker 3: Mike Backer, right, So I did pretty good. Then Hawthorne
Speaker 3: came back, and you know then Curry, you know he
Speaker 3: you know, that's my guy.
Speaker 1: I love Curry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he was he wasn't playing to what the
Speaker 3: coaches was looking for. But then they put me at
Speaker 3: the Sam spot and yeah, I just never looked back
Speaker 3: ever since then. The place sam my first two years
Speaker 3: and they moved me to Will.
Speaker 1: Did you have anxieties your rookie year at all? You know,
Speaker 1: similar different style that you did in the free agency world,
Speaker 1: because coming in as a rookie, especially with the you know,
Speaker 1: a roster that you guys, the backers that were in
Speaker 1: the room, did you have any anxieties going to that
Speaker 1: first year. No, Rookie was cool, Rookie was smooth. It
Speaker 1: was just the whole fact of life. It was just
Speaker 1: a whole fact of leaving home. What is that I said?
Speaker 1: Good for you, man, good for you.
Speaker 3: It was just the whole pact of like leaving home
Speaker 3: with I've been in Mississippi my whole life. I remember
Speaker 3: leaving the airport like I was literally in tears, like
Speaker 3: I was like, damn, I'm really about to leave. And
Speaker 3: but but I came in and you know, I did
Speaker 3: pretty good. And hat soft to Norton because he like
Speaker 3: everyone for Norton, I probably wouldn't be centered talking to
Speaker 3: you today.
Speaker 1: He had a big name around that time, not that
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a big name anymore, but coming out
Speaker 1: of like USC and having those start nuds on that
Speaker 1: USC team, being with you all, like I'm sure it's
Speaker 1: a lot of fun, like learning underneath him and you
Speaker 1: know him.
Speaker 3: He put he had put like these like shackles on
Speaker 3: my feet, like these because they said I got these
Speaker 3: long legs, so like my feel all over the place.
Speaker 3: So he put these things on my ankles to practice
Speaker 3: in and do walk them in like keep my legs tight.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it was crazy, like dudes making fun of
Speaker 3: me every day like why the hell you got them
Speaker 3: things on your ankles? And so he put these things
Speaker 3: on my feet to where I couldn't. I was like,
Speaker 3: right here, I couldn't overextend. So just looks uff like
Speaker 3: that that he did for me, like life, life changed
Speaker 3: for me.
Speaker 1: That reminds me. So when I got to the Raiders
Speaker 1: and I was like, uh, you know, what's our linebacker coach?
Speaker 1: Like Coach Smith, Like, what's our linebacker coach? Like like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, you'll see he coaches hard. You get he does.
Speaker 1: He coaches hard does to stop coaching. But you had
Speaker 1: mentioned that there was a time during the year where
Speaker 1: you doubted your own ability, and hearing that from you, like,
Speaker 1: I know you're telling me, you're thinking, I'm like, oh damn,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. But in my brain what's actually going on,
Speaker 1: It's like, what the fuck is this? You talking about?
Speaker 1: Your kJ Wright type of thing? You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, you're you're kJ right, like you're a beast? Like,
Speaker 1: how how is that kind of stuff going through your head? Bro?
Speaker 3: I my confidence was shot throughout the season. Is that
Speaker 3: because of the free agency stuff?
Speaker 1: Oh? Bro? It's because how's the top one hundred? Now? Bro?
Speaker 3: It's because how Like when I was playing like Coach Smith,
Speaker 3: he's so detailed, like every little thing you do like
Speaker 3: he sees and it was like, kids, you gotta do this,
Speaker 3: cause you gotta do that. You're not doing this, You're
Speaker 3: not doing that. I'm like, damn, like what am I doing?
Speaker 1: Good? If I didn't have Denzel last year, like I
Speaker 1: would have lost.
Speaker 3: My mind because Denzel had placed in sales used to
Speaker 3: coach face like kJ you know, you know Denzel is
Speaker 3: he's so funny, like like you you a fucking doll.
Speaker 3: You bother it like you kJ Wright like chill, And
Speaker 3: I was like I just had to learn to like
Speaker 3: process and co you know, like how what is he saying?
Speaker 3: And I need to put in my brain how to
Speaker 3: interpret it versus like being so critical of myself. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I know I'm a badass. And if I let en
Speaker 3: if I let this get to me, then I'm just
Speaker 3: gonna keep going this Downard Spiral. I told you that,
Speaker 3: I told you I was lost confidence. Yeah, that's I
Speaker 3: was only told Denzel that. Yeah you know you No,
Speaker 3: Yeah that's what that's what you were telling me. I
Speaker 3: thought it was wild too.
Speaker 1: I was just kind of asking about him and everything else,
Speaker 1: and uh, bro, you fucking I like, I'm listening to
Speaker 1: you talk like you just you fucking love playing linebacker.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I got a strong passion for like I
Speaker 3: put like my whole adult lifelood into my craft.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, there's no question, because the the the idea of
Speaker 1: all this anxiety getting to you in times where it
Speaker 1: ultimately works out, especially like when you know you're a
Speaker 1: badass and being so inside of the box of him
Speaker 1: coaching you in minor details that you weren't at the
Speaker 1: moment until you're like talking with people and actually thinking
Speaker 1: through it. But to be able to kind of just
Speaker 1: zoom out for a second be like, oh it's all good, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like when besides, you would
Speaker 1: coach me hard, especially and he like, you know, make
Speaker 1: fun of me or something, or you put that on
Speaker 1: your radio show or whatever in the case, like you know,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I know it's gonna be straight.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's maybe that's why you are as great as
Speaker 3: you are. Like every year, like cut time, I was
Speaker 3: like I wasn't at ease. I was never at ease
Speaker 3: during cut time. And I always felt like somebody, like anybody,
Speaker 3: fourth fifth round, like somebody's gonna come and like take
Speaker 3: my spot. So I like had this like intensity and
Speaker 3: detailed about myself, like I gotta be on my shit
Speaker 3: all the time or else like you, no, I'll get
Speaker 3: my spot taken right. So I just had this detailed
Speaker 3: demeanor about myself to like I got to be on point.
Speaker 3: That's just how I carried myself.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, because I'm just sitting there. Damn I'm hearing
Speaker 1: Coach Smith's right now talking about your long legs and yeah,
Speaker 1: get your feet tighter, and it's just like, bro, he's
Speaker 1: a monster. How are you expecting to get his feet moving?
Speaker 1: Like didn say, like themselves way different yea, And I
Speaker 1: told called Smith out the season.
Speaker 3: I was like, man, thank you, because like you, I
Speaker 3: experienced something with you that I've never ever experienced in
Speaker 3: my NFL career, Like you pushed me to a point
Speaker 3: to where like I've never been I've never been pushed
Speaker 3: before like what like with details, like with just my stance,
Speaker 3: like my eyes, like any little falls step you take,
Speaker 3: he's on it.
Speaker 1: And so I just like.
Speaker 3: I just not live up to what he wanted. But
Speaker 3: like I had to like play a certain style. So
Speaker 3: like you know, I guess appease my coach or like
Speaker 3: be like coach, this is how it should be done.
Speaker 1: Boom, you got it, or not get too much outside
Speaker 1: of yourself since you've had like a decade career and
Speaker 1: you know, how can get older, players can get a
Speaker 1: little more loose with their techniques and their details and
Speaker 1: everything like that. So he tied it up for me.
Speaker 1: So I want to read, Uh, I want to read
Speaker 1: some stuff that people were saying about you, and I
Speaker 1: heard that you're somebody who loves helping people. He wants
Speaker 1: to share his knowledge with all the young guys. He's
Speaker 1: truly somebody that wants to see everybody succeed and piggybacking
Speaker 1: on that being around you knowing that, Uh you know
Speaker 1: when I got in there and we go in obviously
Speaker 1: before we got whoop by KC. But you're like, hey,
Speaker 1: we do this. Uh, we go out as linebackers and
Speaker 1: do drills and stuff like that. It's like, Okay, you
Speaker 1: go out with them and he's like leading drills and
Speaker 1: everything else on Tuesdays? Was it Tuesdays with Diablo? Mind?
Speaker 1: Diablo Rookie, you're sitting in me, You're sitting in just
Speaker 1: YouTube one on one meetings and you're going over stuff
Speaker 1: with him. So I've gotten a witness like who you are,
Speaker 1: not only as a player, but you're somebody that besot
Speaker 1: you would stand up after practice. Yeah. I hate when
Speaker 1: he did that too. I know you did. I could
Speaker 1: tell you. I'm like bro sing my name. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know when players being like here he goes with kJ. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we know Kj's abes. But I definitely think it speaks
Speaker 1: to who you are because you're not a loud, vocal guy,
Speaker 1: kind of like soft spoken. You're not like a big
Speaker 1: raw row guy. You are when you have to be.
Speaker 1: But why it's giving back to the younger guy so
Speaker 1: important to you and you know, how have you kind
Speaker 1: of built this reputation? How do you feel about this
Speaker 1: reputation that you have with everybody when they say things
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean for me, it always it always pisses
Speaker 3: me off, Like seeing like vets like, oh, he's not
Speaker 3: my responsibility, you know, don't I don't gotta help help a.
Speaker 1: Rookie out to me. To me, that's to me, that's bullshit.
Speaker 3: Like somebody helped me when I was a rookie to
Speaker 3: where I was, and it's like it's kind of like
Speaker 3: the circle of life. It's kind of like a brotherhood,
Speaker 3: like like we in this thing together and somebody gave
Speaker 3: it to me. So it's my responsibility to give back
Speaker 3: to somebody else. And I believe like when you when
Speaker 3: you give, like you end up receiving more on the
Speaker 3: back end. And so I see that teaching that.
Speaker 1: Was yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: I saw a lot of quarterbacks say like, oh this,
Speaker 3: you know this quarterbacks coming in it's not my job
Speaker 3: to help them get better.
Speaker 1: You know. That's like what is that?
Speaker 3: And so you know, this has always been my style
Speaker 3: on and off the field, just help people get to,
Speaker 3: you know, where I am.
Speaker 1: Was it ever harder for you to do knowing you
Speaker 1: were in the back seat with the Raiders compared to
Speaker 1: being somebody who's the starter and the man the whole time?
Speaker 1: It took me a while to get there.
Speaker 3: It took me a while once I once I found
Speaker 3: my groove and like came to the Raiders, I came
Speaker 3: in a week one, so I had to build a
Speaker 3: relationship with the guys.
Speaker 1: Show guys I could still play.
Speaker 3: And once I got settled in, I'm like, okay, now
Speaker 3: I can start being the kJ that I need to be.
Speaker 3: And you wasn't there? Were you there when I talked
Speaker 3: to the team before the Browns came.
Speaker 1: Late in the year.
Speaker 3: You know, when I gave that speech to the Browns,
Speaker 3: I don't think you were there. So yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 3: the Browns game, Browns game, No, that was the time
Speaker 3: I left. Yeah, oh yeah, I gave a speech the
Speaker 3: week before the day of the Browns game, just just
Speaker 3: telling the fellows, you know what it is and like
Speaker 3: playoff football, December football, this style should look and bro
Speaker 3: we went on a four game winning streak and so yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, I got a lot to give. And when
Speaker 3: I do speak, you know, people listen, people listen.
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Speaker 1: went down. You were there when all the headlines came
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Speaker 1: there when Hobbs got the dui. But all these things
Speaker 1: are happening throughout the year. Speak on the year, because
Speaker 1: you're not somebody who's been invested in the Raiders. You're
Speaker 1: on a one year deal. You just were there this year.
Speaker 1: Speak on the year of the Vegas Raiders being there
Speaker 1: the entirety of the year. It was a it was
Speaker 1: a roller coaster, bro. It was a real roller coaster,
Speaker 1: like Bro.
Speaker 3: For us to like pull out ten wins with all
Speaker 3: this stuff we went through, pretty damn impressive.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, pretty damn impressive That this kind of year will
Speaker 1: be talked about. I think it'll be an example for
Speaker 1: interim head coaches, like it's at you to me is
Speaker 1: the bar. I'm surprised you didn't get hired same. I
Speaker 1: think we're I think we're all surprised, but also there's
Speaker 1: in a way of you that's not surprised understanding the
Speaker 1: you know, the high ups.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but my thing is like if you're a higher up,
Speaker 3: like the players make the team go, and if the
Speaker 3: players are connected with the coach.
Speaker 1: The ship, the ship should flow.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Like you gotta literally start over, like building relationships
Speaker 3: and that stuff takes time, right, that stuff takes time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, man, I think we were all That's
Speaker 1: why I would say, you know, when we were playing
Speaker 1: at the end of the year, like guys not only
Speaker 1: want to win and getting the layoffs for each other
Speaker 1: and like you know, these opportunities don't come often, but
Speaker 1: also people wanted to see besides you.
Speaker 3: You felt you felt like dudes really loved him, right, yeah,
Speaker 3: like you really loved No, I never had a coach
Speaker 3: to where like dudes like really gravitating, like really like
Speaker 3: loved and respect him.
Speaker 1: Like Rich is a different dude. He's a different dude.
Speaker 3: And you know he had an impact on offense, defense
Speaker 3: and special teams, like dudes like really gravitated towards them,
Speaker 3: and so like that's just a no brainer.
Speaker 1: Like, Dad, you gotta kind of like give me another year,
Speaker 1: one year deal, give me another year to do this thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you kind of knew where it might go, especially when
Speaker 1: they fired mayok you kind of figured that. Okay, whenever
Speaker 1: they get yeah, yeah, you bring in a new gym,
Speaker 1: it's like when the head coach gets hired and they're
Speaker 1: binging their and their guy, and it's like, if a
Speaker 1: gym gets hired, they're obviously gonna be sitting there with
Speaker 1: uh Mark Davis and yeah, they'll probably talk about, you know,
Speaker 1: all the stuff I'm bringing in so and so and
Speaker 1: bringing in their guys, and then they get infatuated with
Speaker 1: the new, with the fantasy football or of what it
Speaker 1: could be instead of seeing like what has been right there.
Speaker 3: With real what's real? Like I'm not just going ahead
Speaker 3: and get this office to Guru. I'm gonna get what's real.
Speaker 1: Right. What was it like when Gruden was out and
Speaker 1: then Basach steps in immediately, It was a pretty smooth transition.
Speaker 1: It was a pretty smooth transition. And the different.
Speaker 3: Styles with Basachi, Like Bashashi didn't play like you say,
Speaker 3: he put dudes fines up, like he'll call anybody out
Speaker 3: and he'll dress anything, and so he just say he'll
Speaker 3: dress anything in anybody, And he just had this demeanor
Speaker 3: like like I'm this tough alpha male, but I can
Speaker 3: also still be on the same level issue to wear
Speaker 3: and win this ship together. But no, we go get
Speaker 3: were gonna get this right. But I'm gonna still be
Speaker 3: one with the boys, right, Yeah, one with the boys.
Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, Komba with the boys. Man, I
Speaker 1: did hear that when I was asking, Hey, how's it
Speaker 1: been with Coach Pasachi and stuff? Guys? I know a
Speaker 1: lot of things tightened up, like dudes just parking in
Speaker 1: like handicap spots or electric electric car spots and like
Speaker 1: a lot of things kind of just tightened up around
Speaker 1: the building. What else do we have? Boys? Do you
Speaker 1: guys have anything good? Howlong?
Speaker 3: Was that we were at an hour fifteen. I think
Speaker 3: the conversation has been, Hey, dude.
Speaker 1: We do we get enough stories then unless you want
Speaker 1: to tell you guys are stories talk about some of
Speaker 1: those battles with the Niners. Boss is a Niners fan.
Speaker 1: Don't worry about him, bro, What did we miss? Hey? You, uh,
Speaker 1: what is mister unlimited? Like? Yeah, yeah, yeah, what's it
Speaker 1: like playing with mister on limb? And that question? Hey,
Speaker 1: you did it seems like the media got you a
Speaker 1: little bit by baiting you in and talking about his contract,
Speaker 1: and you said he should take a pay cut to
Speaker 1: help the team. Did you get got by that? Twitter
Speaker 1: was on my head when I said that. And here's
Speaker 1: the thing. The reason the reason I said that was because.
Speaker 3: There's some freations that's about to come up for the
Speaker 3: Seahawks that I love, and like Seahawks cap space.
Speaker 1: Is a little tight.
Speaker 3: It's a little tight, and so I was saying that
Speaker 3: from the sense of can something be done to help
Speaker 3: out the greater good? Because if some of them free
Speaker 3: agents leave, whoever the Seahawks put back there, it's gonna
Speaker 3: get a little shaky. And so if in my mind,
Speaker 3: if I can somehow help the team so I could
Speaker 3: be in the playoffs and win the division. I want
Speaker 3: the best people in the building. So if I can
Speaker 3: restructure a little bit to keep my boys in the building,
Speaker 3: then I think he should really consider that.
Speaker 1: Got you so a lot like a like a Tom Brady? Yeah,
Speaker 1: like a Tom Brad, Do you move to keep his
Speaker 1: boys around and make room for them? Yeah? You said
Speaker 1: people do that more. Seems like you know people that
Speaker 1: love football would do that.
Speaker 3: Than it is. Yeah, yeah, because I guess the ultimate
Speaker 3: question is like how much money is enough money? Yeah,
Speaker 3: some people bere like if I got a million dollars,
Speaker 3: my life is good. Once you get to get that million,
Speaker 3: you're like, I want five million, and so there's there's
Speaker 3: really no cap on how much you know, I should
Speaker 3: get in my bank account, because like I said, the
Speaker 3: window is short, and some guys, you know, fifty million
Speaker 3: or I earned every every bit of this is fifty million.
Speaker 3: I feel like I shouldn't have to give this away
Speaker 3: because at the end of the day, it's like, when
Speaker 3: it's all said and done, it's me and my family
Speaker 3: and my grandkids. And so everybody's mentality is different. Everybody's
Speaker 3: mentality different. I feel like if I was in that position,
Speaker 3: I would have like the time brading mentality, right, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Feel like mm hmm rare. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, some guys look at football like, oh, it's football,
Speaker 3: and you know, Super Bowl is a super Bowl.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I feel like, you know, some guys feel like money
Speaker 3: is more important than than Pro Bowls. So everybody got
Speaker 3: their own motivations. Everybody got their own motivations.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that is true. I think sitting on this
Speaker 1: entire conversation too. You we've talked about so many different
Speaker 1: perspectives of where your mental can be at. Because then
Speaker 1: when you talk about you know, this stuff with like
Speaker 1: the the ownership and the elite and how stuff's got
Speaker 1: to change, you got to you start from a more
Speaker 1: of a selfish standpoint of like players, then when we're
Speaker 1: talking about all of our player stuff, our player level
Speaker 1: of everything, it gets a little more. It can either
Speaker 1: be selfish or you got to be a little more selfless.
Speaker 1: So there's just so many different there's so many different
Speaker 1: mentalities for different situations too, because.
Speaker 3: I remember when I was younger, like in high school
Speaker 3: in the college, I would see guys holding out. I'm like,
Speaker 3: why is he holding out? Like bro, you got like
Speaker 3: all these money, Like what are you doing? But when
Speaker 3: you get in that position, you see like, Okay, I
Speaker 3: really got to maximize this. I got to maximize this,
Speaker 3: and I can't think of it like I can't put
Speaker 3: the team before myself.
Speaker 1: Essentially, some gus, you're thinking about generations at that point too.
Speaker 1: It guss enough money for you. It's then it's like
Speaker 1: you said, grandchildren, great grandchildren, Like it's generation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, some guys think like, hey, like the super
Speaker 3: Bowl is everything to me. I want to do everything
Speaker 3: I can to be great and be remembered. So we
Speaker 3: all got our different motivations.
Speaker 1: And then from that too, like having the motivation of
Speaker 1: team and football and super Bowls and championships. To me,
Speaker 1: that speaks a lot more to the masters of people
Speaker 1: that get behind those guys who are like the all
Speaker 1: American boys, right, you know what I mean, So that
Speaker 1: speaks more to them because you know, Blas Sea wants
Speaker 1: the Niners that winning championship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so when somebody's out there like, oh, I want
Speaker 3: to win to you know, I want doing this for
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I'm doing this for the you know people that it's
Speaker 1: like there's more of a percentage of people that like
Speaker 1: like that early behind you, that really behind that. Because
Speaker 1: some people say win win is enough money enough? Very true,
Speaker 1: But if we continue to peel layers back when he
Speaker 1: says generational wealth, generational wealth is clearly what drives the
Speaker 1: elite that your society is trying to correct a little
Speaker 1: bit with all the the Brian floor stuff, with all
Speaker 1: that coaching stuff going on, Like there's so many different
Speaker 1: fucking levels that It all kind of depends on what
Speaker 1: game you're playing. Right when you when you beat the Broncos,
Speaker 1: was that like, like, was there any thought of like
Speaker 1: I did it? Okay, I'm like, is that it? Like?
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, definitely I can get it again. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I accomplish what so many guys want to and
Speaker 3: never will.
Speaker 1: I got that.
Speaker 3: I got what I was looking for when I was
Speaker 3: a kid, and it and it hits you like damn,
Speaker 3: I really did it. You just want to go do
Speaker 3: it again?
Speaker 1: I know here.
Speaker 4: Is there any destinations that you want to play at, Like,
Speaker 4: any teams that you want to play for coming up?
Speaker 4: Would you like to play I don't know if you
Speaker 4: had like a childhood team that you grew up liking
Speaker 4: that the opportunity presents itself to possibly play for them.
Speaker 1: A group of Cowboys fan and but yeah yeah for me.
Speaker 3: For me and where I am right now, what I
Speaker 3: did this past year was I left my family in Seattle.
Speaker 3: Won't do that shit again, And so a team would
Speaker 3: have to come correct that would have to come early
Speaker 3: in the free agency process. I can get my family situated,
Speaker 3: get them move to wherever I am going to, and
Speaker 3: they an't go play ball. But if it happens like
Speaker 3: training camp, I'll put together a really good career. Uh
Speaker 3: you know, I'll be happy just transition to something else. Yeah,
Speaker 3: how much longer do you want to play? That's a
Speaker 3: good question, really good question. I don't have the answer
Speaker 3: to that.
Speaker 1: Do you know what you want to do after ball?
Speaker 1: What is that? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I can't stew the next move, but I'm gonna tell
Speaker 3: you this.
Speaker 1: I want to stay. They run the game of football. Well,
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Speaker 3: And he played that next year and I believe he
Speaker 3: left that that following year. It's just like when when
Speaker 3: stuff like that happens, like a distrust occurs, like I
Speaker 3: can't trust you, I can't look at you the same,
Speaker 3: I don't know who you are like that's that's the
Speaker 3: type of that type of feeling you have.
Speaker 1: And so all bad, all bad. We need to get
Speaker 1: some of those boys on the bus man, you might
Speaker 1: be our bridge. Who you want? Man? Everybody we've kind
Speaker 1: of talked about it. You get like two guys in here?
Speaker 1: Who you who? Who is it? Two? What? Two? Do
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Speaker 3: You can help that, you can you can try and
Speaker 3: facilitate that for it, not facilitate, but at least make
Speaker 3: the connection.
Speaker 1: Do y'all fly guys out. We will. We're gonna start
Speaker 1: to yeah, fly him out. So if you would to
Speaker 1: play your cards right now, it's the right question, I'll
Speaker 1: see you there you go. Yeah, I would love to
Speaker 1: have those guys on.
Speaker 3: Man, Marshaun Marshawn would be huge, But who knows if
Speaker 3: you could get now he's seeing the TV show now,
Speaker 3: I was doing everything, like every time I go in
Speaker 3: like Walmart, he's on somebody sponsoring somebody. You know you
Speaker 3: work with the NFL p A now really yeah, it's
Speaker 3: like a brand ambassador subway and the dude is killing it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean he needs to. He can essentially be a
Speaker 3: brand ambassador for everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's about to do like commentating next
Speaker 3: season for Amazon.
Speaker 1: You see that. Oh yeah yeah yeah. They're like putting
Speaker 1: something together for him. You saw the show he's gonna do, right,
Speaker 1: He's in some like funny freestyling crime scene show. They
Speaker 1: were they just they just give him like uh situations
Speaker 1: and they they improvised through it. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's funny. Man. I'd love to meet the dude. So
Speaker 1: we don't know, we don't know when you're gonna hang
Speaker 1: him up. Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: My team would have to come like we're afraid to
Speaker 3: see it. It would have to be around that window.
Speaker 1: See I think listening you say, if it's training camp,
Speaker 1: then you're you know, do hang him up, Which is
Speaker 1: crazy to me, because Bro, you can finest training camp.
Speaker 1: Let me teach you about the other side. Let me
Speaker 1: teach you about the other side of it. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: you essentially finest training camp this year, and I hated it. Bro,
Speaker 1: I came in week one week once my training camp,
Speaker 1: my legs were dead. You just gotta train a little harder,
Speaker 1: a little smarter. We train a little harder, we train
Speaker 1: a little smarter. We'll get you right. But Bro, you
Speaker 1: you finessed putting that wear and tear on your body
Speaker 1: about OTA's and training camp. You get on the week,
Speaker 1: Rod Roster, I'm winning your your guarantee for the year.
Speaker 1: Man he does especially and not to like do my
Speaker 1: younger stuff at disservice. I was absolutely obsessed with football
Speaker 1: when I was younger. But we are very much. We
Speaker 1: just see the we see it differently. Being on the
Speaker 1: back end of stuff. You you you you identify with
Speaker 1: being that ballplayer, like being that great elite at all
Speaker 1: times until it's done, which I respect and appreciate it
Speaker 1: and admire about you. That's what makes you's the leader
Speaker 1: you are and everything else. Man, this is something I
Speaker 1: could tap into well. To me, So here, here's here's
Speaker 1: the awareness I essentially had. He I had to accept
Speaker 1: that I was going to be in the minimum role
Speaker 1: year in and year out, and accepting that at the
Speaker 1: time was hard, like knowing that this could be my
Speaker 1: last year being up in the air, balancing things like
Speaker 1: I don't know where I'm gonna be. It did take
Speaker 1: a toll, like I'm not saying that I just made
Speaker 1: some transition and now I see it this way and
Speaker 1: I don't care about it as much as I kind
Speaker 1: of just in loosey goosey whatever it is. There was
Speaker 1: like that time of like coming to grips with like
Speaker 1: having to do that and give that up, not give
Speaker 1: it up, but zoom out a little bit and be like, bro,
Speaker 1: come stop identifying so much with this that you care
Speaker 1: when something doesn't go your way, because that would affect me.
Speaker 1: It would affect my sleep, it would affect all the
Speaker 1: stuff that you would talk about with your anxieties. And
Speaker 1: so knowing that I just accept I had to accept
Speaker 1: that allowed me to be a little more graceful with myself,
Speaker 1: like as I'm doing these things, like Okay, if I
Speaker 1: know I'm gonna be this way and a team's not gonna,
Speaker 1: you know, come correct in my world or have a
Speaker 1: place to be in OTAs or training camp, then I'll
Speaker 1: accept my stance of like I'm gonna try and finesse
Speaker 1: as much training camp as I can and get to
Speaker 1: try to get on a team week one of the roster,
Speaker 1: or if I don't like the situation, I'll wait until
Speaker 1: we get into the year to do it. So I
Speaker 1: kind of just like that reality kind of sucked. But
Speaker 1: to me it was just the whole acceptance thing. And
Speaker 1: for you it's like you don't accept going all the
Speaker 1: way waiting till training camp. You won't even wait to
Speaker 1: get to training camp. Like to me, it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: well you're not doing OTAs. You have the entire month
Speaker 1: one to month seven the end of seven, so really
Speaker 1: eight months to structure out all of your training in
Speaker 1: the way you're going to get that one percent better
Speaker 1: because that's what we all chase as players, that one
Speaker 1: percent better throughout the off season. And so knowing you
Speaker 1: don't have OT's because OTA is and me outside of
Speaker 1: the camaraderie, building the relationships being in the book and
Speaker 1: kind of building that culture with the fellas on the
Speaker 1: business side of it, knowing that we cram everything in
Speaker 1: in a four hour window and it's not necessarily the
Speaker 1: best thing for our body. Knowing you get to have
Speaker 1: those days off and do it your own self. And
Speaker 1: if a team was wont to negotiate with you in
Speaker 1: training camp, to me, that's to me, you're kind of
Speaker 1: winning in that regard because you've put eleven years together.
Speaker 1: Not only that, but the legacy you get to speak
Speaker 1: on and talk about. We can smile and laugh about it,
Speaker 1: but we get that we got to have a conversation
Speaker 1: like this and people, you know, the people that watch
Speaker 1: there's billions, but uh, they know you more. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like they're the the proving yourself model.
Speaker 1: That's the thing.
Speaker 3: Like I always looked at myself like I don't got
Speaker 3: time to misstraining camp, or like I can't I can't
Speaker 3: miss out on that window. Yeah, because that's I feel
Speaker 3: like I'm getting behind a crucial time.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just yeah, I was like he's obsessed. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: And it's not a good. It's not. I I love it.
Speaker 1: It's like a part of me wish is I was.
Speaker 1: I was. I always in a position like you because
Speaker 1: it's like, man, it is. It's a good time when
Speaker 1: you're obsessed, you're in and you're out with like the
Speaker 1: one thing of football. Yeah, I guess I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: be able to talk you into it, no, but I
Speaker 1: appreciate you coming on. Man, this has been an awesome conversation. Yes, dude,
Speaker 1: And I know we've we've known each other. We need
Speaker 1: each other the five weeks and I was going for
Speaker 1: like three of them. Yeah, And uh, I got connected
Speaker 1: with you on on Twitter and social media because of
Speaker 1: this stuff you say and literally that videos. To me,
Speaker 1: it's just a very small look on top of the
Speaker 1: cookie jar. What you're what you represented, what you're about.
Speaker 1: And I appreciate being able to like pick your brain.
Speaker 1: I appreciate being able to like nudge trying to nudge
Speaker 1: you certain ways and you're like, you're fucking You're a legend.
Speaker 3: Bro And and I didn't tell you. I meant to
Speaker 3: text you, but did they tell you? They played your
Speaker 3: video before our game? So Brooster was telling me, telling
Speaker 3: me about that.
Speaker 1: But the video me, uh, you just.
Speaker 3: Talking and bro that Twitter. That shit was so amazing.
Speaker 3: It was so inspiring, like to see like how like
Speaker 3: how much the guys loved you and how much you
Speaker 3: love like the fellas, Like that's what ball is really about.
Speaker 3: Like even though you weren't with us, like I still
Speaker 3: felt like you were still connected, like.
Speaker 1: To the squad. So why ye are? You kind of
Speaker 1: explained why? But the reason you said you hate one
Speaker 1: besides you stands you up and you hate that. I'm
Speaker 1: sitting as what you're saying right now, I'm appreciating and
Speaker 1: seeing it, like damn, you can just tell that motherfucker's
Speaker 1: like job with this dude. And you feel kind of
Speaker 1: like when Foster told me that, it's like, damn, you
Speaker 1: don't know how guys are gonna take because they're showing
Speaker 1: some video and I'm on Twitter, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's not like I was in front of y'all, but
Speaker 1: hearing that, like it's like the seed the roles kind
Speaker 1: of switched, right. You kind of feel vulnerable a little
Speaker 1: bit of forniness of damn, they're kind of showing they're
Speaker 1: showing that. But that was when Foster told me that was.
Speaker 1: I was. I was hyped to know that the reaction
Speaker 1: was good because I was like, damn what everybody kind
Speaker 1: of it was perfect? It's perfect. That's fucking awesome, dude.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. I wish you guys would have fucking
Speaker 1: won that game though. Oh they went to the super Bowl,
Speaker 1: so that shows that we could have been in the
Speaker 1: super Bowl. And what's crazy. What's crazy is divine. When
Speaker 1: I was a concussion and he didn't return, so I
Speaker 1: could have been alive back with the fellows that next week. Bro,
Speaker 1: when that happened and it says he wasn't returning, I wasn't. Like,
Speaker 1: I'm obviously know I hope nothing's wrong with his head
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. I'm thinking he's gonna have to
Speaker 1: go through protocols. Hey, I'm gonna be back in this thing.
Speaker 1: And we would have played the Titans too. Mmmm. It
Speaker 1: would have been a lot of fun though, but uh well,
Speaker 1: I hope you make it up to uh you, Garrett.
Speaker 1: He's a huge Titans guy. I mean, I am. I
Speaker 1: love the boys, I'm big. I'm for the Boys. But
Speaker 1: if I'm on the Raiders like I got, I got
Speaker 1: her came back the past he's a monster. Bro, I
Speaker 1: like the same injury he had, same he broke. Did
Speaker 1: he break his fifth fifth minutitar? So did you get
Speaker 1: a screw pu in? I did too, He he didn't. Really,
Speaker 1: That's what the grace I'm giving us because he came
Speaker 1: back as fast as he came back, and I'm like, bro, well,
Speaker 1: I was grinding to come back. But there's like the
Speaker 1: way you have to be a running back and comeback
Speaker 1: because I we could function playing linebacker, but you're still
Speaker 1: very uncomfortable playing on an injury like that. How long
Speaker 1: would you take you? It took me. I was back.
Speaker 1: It was in college, so you know how college tries
Speaker 1: to get you back on the field. I was back
Speaker 1: in eight weeks, but I had a steel plate underneath
Speaker 1: my foot and it was the most uncomfortable thing. I
Speaker 1: should like, you know, you just feel like you about
Speaker 1: to snap again. Yeah, I would have if I'm like
Speaker 1: where I'm at now or in the league and stuff
Speaker 1: like you need a good ten twelve weeks. But he
Speaker 1: had like a plate put in. He just had a
Speaker 1: stress fracture and it wasn't a clean break. He didn't
Speaker 1: have a compound break to where it snapped oh, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: When yours happened, it felt like somebody shot you in
Speaker 1: the foot, right, yeah, and I heard it. It's like
Speaker 1: it's dad gets painful by the end of the night.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just two legends up here talking ball. No. I
Speaker 1: appreciate you man, good luck and uh, I hope you
Speaker 1: drive safe back off to Memphis and or everything. But
Speaker 1: I truly appreciate you coming by the bus. I'm glad
Speaker 1: you got to come on. And I know I was
Speaker 1: badgering you all season, like, hey, when that all season comes,
Speaker 1: you gotta come on. But I have a lot of
Speaker 1: respect for you, man. I appreciate you coming on. Thank you, brother,