1 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: From Meat Eaters World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This 2 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: is Cow's Week in Review with Ryan cow Calahan. Here's cap. 3 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 1: The anti hunting lobby is big Matt that Florida is 4 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: about to reinstate a black bear hunt. They've devised what 5 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: I'm sure they think is a brilliant scheme for shutting 6 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: it down. If they can't convince the Fish and Wildlife 7 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: Board to stop the hunt, they'll simply ruin it for 8 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: the rest of us. Led by an outfit called Speak 9 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:41,639 Speaker 1: Up Wakiba, the anti hunters plan to buy up as 10 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: many bear tag entries as possible to win all one 11 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: and eighty seven permits issued by lottery later this year. 12 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 1: If one of these activists wins a permit, they will 13 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: simply sit out the hunt and save one of the 14 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: cute fuzzy bear cubs plastered all over their campaign materials. 15 00:00:58,160 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: The move has gotten a lot of attention in the 16 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: and I can see how it would work In theory. 17 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: Residents and non residents can purchase a hunting license and 18 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: buy as many of the five dollars entries as they want. 19 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: If a bear loving fat cat in Lithuania wants to 20 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: get himself a hunting license and buy ten thousand or 21 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 1: a million entries. He could indeed win one of the 22 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty seven permits, but that's just one permit. 23 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: It's also more difficult to get a Florida hunting license 24 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: then speak up what Kiva activists would have you believe. 25 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 1: That's because, like many states, Florida requires a hunter safety 26 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: course before buying a license, even if you buy one online. 27 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: I don't know how many people are committed enough that 28 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: they'll take an eight or twelve hour course. As we've 29 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: covered on this podcast. You can do it a lot 30 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: faster in a lot of places, or shell out one 31 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty dollars to get a non resident hunting 32 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,919 Speaker 1: license and then buy enough five dollars entries to actually 33 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: win a permit. There's a few folks out there that 34 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: are going to do this, but I don't think there's 35 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: as many as the anti hunters are hoping. Way back 36 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: in the day, Buddy Mine drew a big horn sheep 37 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: to Rock Creek, Montana. We ran into a father son 38 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: combo who drew big horn U tags and they were 39 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: anti hunting activists. They were kind of out there trying 40 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: to hay sheep off the road and we chatted with 41 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: them because they had their hunter's orangeohn. They were legally 42 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: dressed as hunters and they told us that they apply 43 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: for tags to save sheep. So it's true. This week 44 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: we've got the Upland Desk, Wildlife Crime, and the Fishing Report. 45 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: But first I'm going to tell you about my week. 46 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: In My week was a bit of a whirlwind with 47 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: the public lands battle in the Senate, which I know 48 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: everyone listening had a handy and big big thank you 49 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: to everyone who called, emailed, took action, went through the 50 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 1: BHA Action Center, signed form letters from TRCP, NWF, Trout Unlimited, 51 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: then told your friends about the attempt to steal our 52 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:01,519 Speaker 1: public lands over and over and over again, which was spearheaded, 53 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: of course by Utah Senator Mike Lee. I'm telling you, 54 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: thank you, but stay in the game. More is coming 55 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: down the pipe. We have two huge thirty day comment 56 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: periods coming up that everyone should weigh in on the 57 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: roadless rule and from the sounds of it, a repeal 58 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: of the mineral withdrawal which currently protects the Boundary Waters 59 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: Canoe area, which is of course the lower forty eighth 60 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: most visited Wilderness Area. Please go check out Sportsmen for 61 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: the Boundary Waters Canoe Area. I know every one of 62 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: their board members. They're awesome folks, and they are so 63 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: passionate and dedicated because the Boundary Waters is such an 64 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: amazing place and that boat based stuff is so family 65 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: friendly everybody. So Sportsman's for the Boundary Waters. Now, I 66 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: got to say, I was incredibly impressed and hopeful over 67 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: the unifying effect of public lands. People from all walks 68 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: of life, from all over the country came together and 69 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: told their elected officials and their neighbors that public lands 70 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: are not for sale, not one acre under budget reconciliation. 71 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: We need to keep that going at the risk of 72 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: this sounding like a Kumbaya moment, by giving piece a chance, 73 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: don't you agree, John Lennon, Yes, Julie Coux, There's no 74 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: limit to what we can imagine them. If you care 75 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: about these issues, really care and need them to exist 76 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: and not be exploited into ecological uselessness, then does it 77 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 1: matter who voted for who, so long as they want 78 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: what you want. The answer is no, kids, it does not. 79 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: We have future elections that we can worry about, so 80 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: quit shooting holes in the boat. If you want someone 81 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: to vote differently the next election, I promise you you 82 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 1: will not accomplish that by letting them know how much 83 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: of an ass they are, while simultaneously showing them how 84 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: much of an ass you are, then turning around and saying, 85 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: do what I want. We're not that far removed from 86 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: the playground gang and the people like Mike Lee who 87 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: want what they cannot have in order to break it 88 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: up for development. They feed on division. They sew division 89 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: in order to reap the benefits when it grows. We 90 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: are living in this time. The proof is in front 91 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: of us. Everyone can see it. Pull the cotton out 92 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: of your eyes and ears or however that's saying goes. 93 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: This land grab of late was a whole Inchilada type 94 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: of land grab. It only came out into the public 95 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: eye because they thought, now is the time. Neighbor against neighbor, 96 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 1: recreation group against recreation group. Let's take it now. Remember 97 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: this lesson. It repeats itself, I promise you, But now 98 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 1: your battle hardened individuals. You made the phone calls, you 99 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 1: made the emails, You did it over and over again, 100 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: got exhausted, but you still made it happen. You got despondent, 101 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 1: but you still made it happen. That's how it works. 102 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 1: It's tough. Thank you, Thank you, thank you. There's not 103 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: much I wouldn't give up or give for our public lands, 104 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 1: waters and wildlife and holding those things in perpetuity for 105 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: all American people's generations beyond me. So I can't tell 106 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: you how much you all mean to me for answering 107 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 1: that call. One voice is never going to do this stuff. 108 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 1: We the people. Baby. That was freaking transcendent on Paul McCartney. 109 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: Moving on to the upland desk. For upland hunters, the 110 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: last thirty years or so have been a real downer. 111 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: Bird populations have plummeted across the country, and diehard upland 112 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: hunters are becoming a threatened species themselves. But over the 113 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: last month or so, I've seen several stories that should 114 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: give us at least a few faint glimmers of hope. 115 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: First up, in South Dakota, the Game Fishing Parks Department 116 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: reports that two thousand twenty four was the best season 117 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: for pheasant hunters in the last thirteen years. Hunters harvested 118 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: one point three million wild roosters on public and private 119 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,119 Speaker 1: land during the three month season, with another three hundred 120 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: and eighty thousand harvested within defined shooting preserves. That's about 121 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: nine birds per hunter on average, and the South Dakota 122 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: Wildlife Agency says their hunters harvested more roosters in the 123 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: first two weeks of October than any other state during 124 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: that entire season, which pains me because snort and I 125 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: I owe that little girl hell of bird season. Get 126 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: the snort report back in action. Hunters have begged at 127 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: least one million roosters in the Mount Rushmore state in 128 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: each of the past five years, but last year was 129 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: especially productive thanks to a great over winter survival rate. 130 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: Wildlife managers also credit landowners and egg producers for taking 131 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: advantage of habitat programs through state, federal, and nonprofit agencies. 132 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: The Department specifically mentioned the Conservation Reserve Enhancement Program on 133 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: the James River and Big Sioux River valleys. For those 134 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: of you who don't know, Conservation Reserve Enhancement Program is 135 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: CREP if you ever heard that term before. This program 136 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: provides funding for private landowners to set grasslands aside for conservation, 137 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: but it also ensures access to hunters who want to 138 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: chase birds. Wildlife managers say that thanks in part to 139 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: this program, the twenty twenty five season is shaping up 140 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: to be even better than last years. Of course, while 141 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: the last few years have been good, they pale in 142 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: comparison to the height of the South Dakota pheasant population. 143 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: Nineteen forty five. The boys were just getting back for more, 144 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: some of them not so much. The state of roughly 145 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: sixteen million pheasants, seven and a half million of which 146 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: were harvested that year. Those numbers drop steadily until nineteen 147 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: seventy six, when biologists estimated that there were only one 148 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: point four million roosters in the state. But habitat improvement 149 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 1: projects and careful management save the species, and the population 150 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: climb back up to about eight million birds in twenty sixteen. 151 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: These days, we actually aren't sure how many pheasants there 152 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: are in the state. The Wildlife Commission decided to end 153 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: the annual brood count in twenty nineteen for fear that 154 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: low numbers would discourage out of state hunters. Now, the 155 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: Wildlife Agency estimates the population based on hunting, harvest numbers 156 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: and surveys, which they say are also viable means of 157 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: figuring out if the population is growing or shrinking. If 158 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: harvest numbers go up year after year, as they have 159 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: in South Dakota, it's fair to assume the overall population 160 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: is doing well. That's the theory anyway. For more on 161 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: this controversy, check out episode two seventy four. You'll enjoy it. 162 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: South Dakota's pheasant hunters are doing well, but over in Maryland, 163 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: biologists are trying to revive a much more threatened species 164 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: of bird, and they're doing a pretty good job. In 165 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: the Nanticote River Wildlife Management Area in Maryland's Wacoma CoA County, 166 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: the bob white quail population has quadrupled. Fall quail surveys 167 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: have revealed an increase from an average of roughly one 168 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: quail per ten acres between two thousand seventeen in twenty 169 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: twenty to four quale per ten acres between twenty twenty 170 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,599 Speaker 1: one in twenty twenty four. According to a report in 171 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: the Crispfield, Somerset County Times, that improvement was accomplished by 172 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: planning former egg fields with native grasses, removing in base 173 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: of vegetation, thinning the forests, and useful prescribed burns. In 174 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: other words, a lot of hard work, and while it's 175 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: easier to implement these changes in a small wildlife management area, 176 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: it gives landowners a blueprint for doing the same on 177 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: their properties. If they identify a low performing spot and 178 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: a corn or soybean field, they can transform it using 179 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: these techniques with the funding from federal and state programs. 180 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 1: The unfortunate truth is that upland numbers are probably never 181 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 1: going to be what they once were. The transformation of 182 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: small farms into monocultures has eliminated the hedgerows where these 183 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 1: birds thrive. The proliferation of miso predators like raccoons has 184 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: decimated broods, and urban sprawl has destroyed grasslands. But we 185 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: can still do the best with what we have, and 186 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: one of the most important tools in a biologist toolbox 187 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:06,439 Speaker 1: is good information. Nate huck, a migratory game bird consulting 188 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: with the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources, sent me an 189 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: email reporting that one hundred and twenty hundreds submitted nine 190 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty seven upland hunting diaries last year. We've 191 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: talked about these diaries before. They're a great idea. We 192 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: gave some stuff away last year. We'll figure out something 193 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: this year too. To promote your diaries, because it's just 194 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,439 Speaker 1: good practice, something to hand off to the kids or grandkids, 195 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: or you know, maybe some other luddite in your life. 196 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 1: Wildlife departments ask hunters to record where they hunted, what 197 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: they saw, and what they harvested, and biologists use that 198 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: data to make good decisions. This is the first year 199 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: the diary program has been operating, and Nate says it's 200 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 1: a strong start, but they need more lots more so, 201 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: if you hunt birds in Minnesota, be sure to submit 202 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: your hunting diary next year. If you don't, the state 203 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: you do hunt might also ask for a survey or report, 204 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: and I encourage you to fill it out. And in 205 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: I know the state of North Dakota is dying for 206 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: hunters to report what's happening in their season. It takes 207 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: a little bit of time. It's just part of your responsibility. 208 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: Gag make it happen. Moving on to the crime desk, 209 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: in Idaho, man has been sentenced for his role in 210 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: a black market scheme to buy and sell big game tags. 211 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: We covered this story back in episode three oh seven, 212 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 1: and you can also check out Jordan Siller's article over 213 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: at the Meat Eater dot com At the time, we 214 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: told you about how Carl Stuter had been accused of 215 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: an enormous number of wildlife violations. He'd killed the bull 216 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: elk on someone else's tag, He'd taken more elk than 217 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: he was supposed to, and he'd illegally scouted for elk 218 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 1: with a helicopter. He'd shot a pronghorn from he claimed 219 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: seven hundred and sixty yards, loaded it still alive, into 220 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: his truck, and taking a video. Most concerning to me, 221 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: he'd made a habit of buying and selling landowner tags. 222 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: These tags are available to Idaho landowners via a lottery, 223 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: and it is illegal to sell or market them, but 224 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: that market does exist, and Carl has taken advantage of it. 225 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 1: We've got an aff David showing hundreds of text messages 226 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: between him and his buddies proving that he'd spent over 227 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty thousand dollars purchasing landowner appreciation tags 228 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three. The case against him was rock solid, 229 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: which is probably why you took Amplete deal rather than 230 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: face a jury of his peers. But the details of 231 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: that deal have some Idaho hunters up in arms. Student 232 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: pled guilty to a single felony account of illegally harvesting 233 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: a moose, in exchange for six other felonies to be 234 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: dropped for that one felony. Stud was fined one hundred 235 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 1: and eighty thousand dollars and will serve five years of 236 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: unsupervised probation along with fifty hours of community service, twenty 237 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: five of which must be dedicated to wildlife preservation and 238 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 1: or conservation. Studor has also been banned from hunting and 239 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: Idaho every again, which, thanks to the Interstate Wildlife Violator Compact, 240 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: bans him from obtaining a hunting license in most other 241 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: states as well. During his five year probationary period, he 242 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: cannot accompany any other hunters into the field outside his 243 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: own property. That's a pretty steep penalty for a poacher. 244 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: But I know many of you were hoping this guy 245 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: would get some jail time. We wondered about the same thing, 246 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: which is why Jordan reached out to Twin Falls County 247 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: Prosecuting Attorney Grant Lobes, whose office handled this case. I 248 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: won't get into everything he said, but basically, Lobes argued 249 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: that this was the highest penalty we could expect for 250 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: someone without a previous criminal record. Loebes claimed that no 251 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: first time offender in Idaho's history has ever served jail 252 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: time for a wildlife violation, no matter how egregious. The 253 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: fact that he will never again be allowed to legally 254 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: hunt is a big win. And if he violates the 255 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: terms of his deal, you can bet he'll see the 256 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: inside of a cell. He was also fined for each 257 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: of the animals he poached, not just the moose, which 258 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: is why his fines are so high. He might not 259 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: be the outcome we're hoping for, but it's a really 260 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: good outcome gang, and he was caught. As a great example. 261 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: Student is still listed as a top exec for an 262 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: electrical services provider called Quantus Services. Students sold six point 263 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: three million in Quanta shares in twenty twenty four, which 264 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: definitely turned heads at the publicly traded company. You might 265 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: argue that a rich guy like Student will have the 266 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: means to continue his life of crime, but I also 267 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: wonder if a guy was so much to lose, we'll 268 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: keep risking it all for another trophy bowl. He might 269 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: be like that, or he might not want to risk 270 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: his cushy, high paying job, especially if they keep him 271 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: on as a convicted felon. The jury's out on whether 272 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: Oldkarl will make the right decision, but I can say 273 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: with confidence that a Wisconsin man named Richard Waters made 274 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: the wrong one. Earlier this year, Waters made waves in 275 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: the deer hunting world by displaying an incredible forty nine 276 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: point white tail rack at the Open Season Deer and 277 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: Turkey Expo in the Wisconsin Dells. The non typical rack 278 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: was panel scored by the Wisconsin Buck and Bear Club 279 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: and netted over three hundred and six inches, which sounds 280 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: too good to be true because it's well ahead of 281 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: the state standing record a two hundred and fifty three 282 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: inch deer. If you want the real deeds here, you 283 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: can go over to the mediator dot com. Sage Marshall 284 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: did a great rite up here. Now, if you know 285 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: anything about hunting records, you know that the new record 286 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: is usually only a little bit bigger than the previous one, 287 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: especially if it's real, real big. So that was already 288 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: a red flag. Like I said, too good to be true, 289 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: As many in the deer hunting world pointed out. The 290 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: Wisconsin DNR launched an investigation, and what they found surprise 291 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: to almost no one. Not only was Waters deer from 292 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: a game farm and not Marquette County as he claimed, 293 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: he wasn't even the one who shot him. The DNR 294 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: discovered that Yoder Whitetails Deer Farm had sold the rack 295 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: to an acquaintance of Waters, who, seeing a potential financial investment, 296 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: had purchased the rack from that acquaintance. He then had 297 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: a taxidermis mount the rack using the cape from a 298 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: different deer, and hired a photographer to take pictures of 299 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: him holding his new trophy. Ooh, this guy has never 300 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: seen a crime show on TV. He's got too many 301 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: loose ends here, kids. He also asked the photographer to 302 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: photoshop the rack onto another deer's body to try to 303 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: fool people he'd shot the deer from the wild, but 304 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,959 Speaker 1: that photog refused to do it. Good for you anyway. 305 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel recorded an interaction between Waters and 306 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 1: his wife that may go down as one of the 307 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 1: funniest in the history of the crime desk. Quote. God, 308 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: I thought you were smarter than this, Water's wife, Brenda said, 309 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 1: within earshot of a reporter quote. I'm stupid, yes, Her 310 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: husband replied, at least he's self aware, which is more 311 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,880 Speaker 1: than I can say for most wildlife criminals. I do 312 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: need to point out if only we knew the significant 313 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 1: others of the rest of these poachers, if they were 314 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: like Brenda here, I think we could agree that we 315 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: could put up with smaller fines in lieu of the 316 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: hell they catch it home. Over the fishing Accident's desk, 317 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: an unidentified man fishing off the coast of Seaside, Oregon, 318 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: was swept out to sea and drowned late last month. 319 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: Seaside Fire and Rescue responded to a distress call at 320 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:13,479 Speaker 1: eight thirty eight am on June twenty five, but rescue 321 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 1: swimmers were not able to reach the man in time, 322 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: pulling him from the waves at eight point fifty two 323 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: and taking him to Providence Seaside Hospital, where he was 324 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 1: pronounced dead. That same day, just seventy five miles north 325 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: in Capolis Beach, Washington, four other people were knocked down 326 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: by waves and pulled out into the water while surf casting. 327 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: Two of the anglers made it back to shore safely, 328 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: but the two others were not so lucky. After a 329 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: rescue attempt, the Gray's County Sheriffs and Ocean Shores police 330 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 1: recovered their bodies from the water and pronounced them dead 331 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: at the scene. This part of the Pacific Northwest is 332 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 1: a huge draw for people going after seafood, both commercially 333 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 1: and recreationally. Capolis Beach at the north and Seaside at 334 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: the south marked the two ends of the most productive 335 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: Pacific razorclam habitat in the world wide. Stable sandy beaches 336 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: there contain tens of millions of the bivalves, and ninety 337 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: percent of each state's annual clam harvest comes from this 338 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 1: stretch of coast, which also contains the mouth of the 339 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: Columbia River. Razor clams are especially fun to go after 340 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 1: because they dig down the sand so fast, up to 341 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: a foot per minute, going as deep as four feet. 342 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: Once you see the clams characteristic dimple in the sand, 343 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: you have to shovel as fast as you can to 344 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: outraise the little guys. Digging for clams and fishing from 345 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 1: the shore don't seem like particularly dangerous pursuits, but ocean 346 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: conditions are always unpredictable. It's not a bad idea to 347 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: have a PFD with you for when the swells get big, 348 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 1: but you still want to take a few more casts 349 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: from the beach that's a personal floatation device. Meanwhile, across 350 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: the country, in Varo Beach, Florida, the Indian River County 351 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: Sheriff's Office also received an urgent distress call in late 352 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 1: June from an angler who had sustained injuries and was 353 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: unable to locate a fishing companion after their fan boat 354 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 1: flipped over. Rescue crews raised scene, including Sheriff's office personnel, 355 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 1: a fire rescue team, and Florida Fish and Wildlife staff, 356 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:07,959 Speaker 1: along with the US Coast Guard helicopter that had been 357 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: scrambled from one hundred and fifty miles away clear across 358 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: the state. The team was relieved to find the voter, 359 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: Derek Howard, alive and well, but they were considerably less 360 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,199 Speaker 1: cheerful when they learned that the distress call had been 361 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: completely fabricated. Howard's boat had just run out of gas, 362 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 1: and he'd invented the wild yarn to get assistants asap. 363 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 1: With real emergencies like the ones in Seaside and Capala's 364 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: Beach happening every day, the authorities charged him with misusing 365 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: nine to one one and filing a false report to 366 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: law enforcement that was probably not the expedited attention that 367 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: Howard was hoping for. He could have killed somebody by 368 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: diverting law enforcement like that. It's a big deal. Over 369 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 1: to the Cathedral of the Forest Desk, the long long 370 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: battle for Sunday hunting in pennsyl Tucky, Pennsylvania may finally 371 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: be coming to an end. On July one, House Bill 372 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 1: fourteen thirty one reached the desk of Governor Josh Shapiro 373 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 1: after passing out of the House and Senate. The bill 374 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: would lift the ban on Sunday hunting during all hunting 375 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 1: seasons in the Keystone State. Right now, Pennsylvania only allows 376 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: the hunting of foxes, coyotes, and crows on Sundays, and 377 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: since twenty nineteen they have added three other Sundays in 378 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: the fall hunting season, one in the archery deer season, 379 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,679 Speaker 1: one in rifle deer season, and one during rifle bear season. 380 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: But we know that Pennsylvania has some of the country's 381 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 1: most avid hunters, and they've been calling for a full 382 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: repeal of the ban for more than a decade, led 383 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: by Chair of the Game and Fisheries Committee, Senator Greg Groffman. 384 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: Rothman said it's an idea whose time has come. As 385 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: we've covered in the past, adding this one day to 386 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,679 Speaker 1: the weekend would double most working people's time in the field, 387 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: and with participation in youth sports now at an all 388 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: time high, many kids with games on Saturday have missed 389 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: out on hunting opportunities altogether until right now. Adding one 390 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: more weekend day would also be a significant boost to 391 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 1: hunter recruitment and retention in the state, where the Game 392 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: Commission depends on nearly sixty million dollars in hunting license 393 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 1: sales every year. The ban has also hamstringed the hunting 394 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: industry in Pennsylvania, as out of staters have been reluctant 395 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: to travel for a three day weekend if they have 396 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: to sit one of those days out. HB fourteen thirty 397 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: one wouldn't automatically make every Sunday open to hunting. The 398 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: Game Commission would still need to approve adding specific days 399 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: to the season, but the bill removes any barrier from 400 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: the Commission's decision making. Opponents often cite the possibility that birdwatchers, 401 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 1: dog walkers, and the like might stay out of the 402 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: woods out of fear if the ban were lifted. Brook 403 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: Glenker of The Keystone Trails Association told the Pennsylvania Capital Star, quote, 404 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: we just feel that additional sundays open to hunting has 405 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 1: the potential to erode quality hiking opportunities on Pennsylvania's trails. 406 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: A lot of hiking occurs on weekends, but accidents involving 407 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: non hunters on weekends have been virtually non existent across 408 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: the country. If Governor Shapiro signs the bill, the only 409 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 1: two remaining states with total bands on Sunday hunting would 410 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: be Maine and Massachusetts. But who knows, maybe Penncilvania will 411 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: be the domino that makes those other states fall. Pennsylvania's 412 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 1: blue laws against hunting have their genesis in the Quaker 413 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: founding of the Commonwealth, when church leaders believe that Sundays 414 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: should be preserved only for prayer. Just pausing here, because 415 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: I know all you hunters and anglers out there have 416 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: done your own form of praying, somehow, some way on 417 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 1: a hunt day. I sure have prayer takes different forms 418 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: for different people. In twenty twenty four, pastor and hunting 419 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: advocate Ry Bailey told the news outlet the Bradley Era, quote, 420 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: God has given us the outdoors and hunting to enjoy. 421 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: His creation and that is meant to be enjoyed each 422 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 1: and every day of the week. I once hunted before 423 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: church shot a deer, left the woods to go to church, 424 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 1: then went back and recovered the deer after church. That's 425 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 1: a heck of a pastor right there. Huge, huge kudos 426 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: to the Pennsylvania Chapter of Backcountry Hunters and Anglers. Don Rank, 427 00:23:55,880 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 1: who currently sits on the North American Board for BHA, 428 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 1: was a major, major champion of this. The rest of 429 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: the folks in the Pennsylvania chapter Chris Hennessy as well. 430 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: I mean, you guys crushed it. Well well done. Celebrate 431 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 1: this one. Pennsylvanians. Call Governor Shapiro at seven one seven 432 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 1: seven eight seven twenty five hundred to get him to 433 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: sign this one, or you can text him with lots 434 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: of relevant emojis at seven one, seven seven eight eight 435 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: eight nine nine zero. That's a joke. Folks, be pro 436 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: say your thank yous, and share your passions. That's all 437 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: I got for you this week. Thank you so much 438 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: for listening. Remember to write in to ask c Al 439 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: that's ask Cal at the Meteater dot com. Let me 440 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: know what's going on in your neck of the woods. 441 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 1: I appreciate you. We'll talk to you soon.